/rlg/ - Roguelike general

>kobold in the OP
>not a lizard
anon....

>>152203809
Alright, how do I play MfGl^Qaz?
Every melee class just feels like tabbing

>>152208617
It's kinda ambiguous to me.

>>152207372
Why are so many rolls in DCSS 1dx? Do they like things to be unreliable?

the dark souls of roguelikes...!!! it's good!

>>152208629
never leave staircase
the glorious Qazloud will helpfully make enough noise to attract everything on the level

>>152208698
did you know the effect of fighting skill on damage is a multiplicatoin by 1+ 1d(fighting)/30
what the fuck crawldevs

>>152208747
>>the dark souls of roguelikes
>the orange of colors
>the beatles of music
>the crawldev of removal

dark souls IS a roguelike anon

>>152209004
>no procedural generation
>not turnbased
>no permadeath
go away and take your wrong opinions with you

>>152208847
What if I don't have Qaz yet

>>152209237
uh, then play like a gladiator? train tablord skills, hid bad man with pointy end of trident, throw nets at scary shit

when you get qaz do the same thing but with more invo training and upheaval instead of nets

>>152208629
>>152209237
http://pastebin.com/0keNU2Ur Literally can't fuck it up.

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This vault never fails to make me sad. The other 2 staircases are in that stupid lava snake vault.

>>152210770
Post links you nerd

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For fuck's sake RIP Bilbo

>>152210942
Were you able to successfully solve the puzzle of that room?

>>152210942
>complaining about FREE XP

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>>152210942
>>152211103

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Welcome to Lair

>>152210920
I'm on berotato if that is what you mean.

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>>152210770
>name probably really isn't even jose
>probably doesn't even play games from his couch

now that i think of it, are there any let's play fags who are morbidly obese as a gimmick?

>>152211441
Thanks

>>152211660
>that filename and picture
Brilliant.

Someone is playing the Circus Animal fork, and they've gone Sifmuna. It turns out that everything in your LoS just vanishes once your Shatter spellpower is around 750.
https://crawl.project357.org/watch/AlphaGone

>>152211909
>ac: 122
Did they nerf AC in circus animals?

>>152212175
I dunno. I think his AC is so high because the AC boost from statueform is based on spellpower, and his is ridiculous.

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So, at what point should I drop trog in this madhouse and for whom?

and now he's killing cerebov

>>152211909
>LCS does 577 damage to fucking cerebov
Jesus this fork seems ridicolous

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>>152193441

This is simply how non-tryhards play

>>152213258
>AC: 9
>EV: 11

>>152212634
I think the dev turned off the diminishing returns for spellpower and increased the spellpower cap from 200 to 999

Are we hype for the headless new DCSS race?

>>152213346
>SH:40
>those resists
>>152214007
I don't even know what you're talking about.

Turns out all the MUH FLAVOR fags just wanted easymode all along

>>152214007
???

How do you know which wands to keep? Shit is filling up my inventory at times and I just drop stupid shit like acid, flame, etc.

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>>152214230
>>152214186

>>152214186
>>152214230
it got teased here http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=d715d3d868071e9c9d92b0173cc864951b648aab

>>152214260
if the name isn't yellow it goes in the trash

>>152214260
>acid
>stupid
keep tele/haste/heal/digging/disint/acid if you have no evo
keep all if you have evo

>>152214326
>>152214328

not being able to recognize jokes or sarcasm is one of the warning signs for autism

>>152214450
When do you actually use disint and digging? I almost always have them, but I don't use them since it's just not an option in my mind.

>>152214260
You determine how high your evocations is, and if it's not significantly higher than your other skills, you drop all the MR-check wands (except disintegration, since it gets a bonus to beat MR).

Next, check your floor. If it's Lair or beyond, drop Flame and Frost. Now check your inventory space. Do you still need room? Drop disintegrate and your bolt wands, except Acid and Draining(a damage effect+debuff with no save is always worth keeping).

>>152214717
>I don't use them
>digging
>not an option
Anon...

>>152214879
I bet it could have saved me a ton of times! I'll never know though since I never think of it when I'm in a pinch!

>>152214717
you use digging to set up a killhole or just blast open walls instead of going around them. it's really useful in open areas with diggable borders like lair and its branches

>playing thunderdome as DsBe
>Round 5: Boss round
>expecting witch or a low level unique
>fucking You See the Lernaean Hydra
What in gods name was I expected to do in that situation? I ran as many bros as I could spawn into it and nothing. And then red wasps came out and paralyzed me making it impossible to run.

>>152215127
That sounds definitely more useful than running and hoping to find a hall.

>>152215135
Dicks would energyscum it with a dwhip and haste/finesse.

Do fountains even do anything

>>152214326
>Headless race
Headless skeleton race inbound. Praise be to MarvinPA, removal be thy name.

>>152216062
Depends on the game.

>>152216062
In DCSS they used too.

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>tfw all the dumb mibe's splat with 20 AC+, 20 EV+ characters and leave spooky antimagic ghosts
We need a double minotaur race for bad players.

>>152216639
So...gargoyle?

>>152214872
>acid and draining
those wands have never existed at the same time

this is like suggesting a Vine Stalker Stalker as an easy beginner combo

>>152208492
Oh, you thought I wouldn't recognize that ebin reddit feels meme face you asshole?

Kill yourself.

>>152216996
Then why does my local copy of crawl have both?

>>152216949
Well, Mi has a good +30% hp on Gr.

>>152217082
lolwut

>>152217396
meme's, are actually, bad

>>152214872
>dropping disint
Don't do that anon, how will you perfectly chisel your killholes without both the 1 range and the LOS range options?

>>152217584
Stop it with the shitposting, man.

>>152217732
but shitposting on rlg is all i have

i can't play mountain dwarves
i can't scum 555
i can't even pudding farm or abuse elbereth any more

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>shoot a zombie hollow because he's got too much jelly for my spear to be effective
>like four spiders dig over, pop out and start biting as I try to butcher it
Forget hordes, these spiders are the real thing to watch out for with noise.

>:|

>>152217840
The cool thing about roguelikes is you can pretty much always play all the old versions with very little hassle.

>>152217840
You can do all those things though. You just have to play on easy mode, or atleast play old versions of all those games.

>>152217840
Find something else to do. Fly away, Stanley! Be free!

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>>152217947
They just keep coming.

>http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-17-august-2016
>Hepliaklqanal now gives innate frail 1 on worship; this persists even after abandonment, until the god is mollified.
>There is no longer an EV penalty for taking stairs, but the process of climbing/descending stairs now takes slightly longer.
>Sustain Attributes (the ring, Dg innate, etc) is no more. Most stat-draining effects have been reduced to compensate.
>rN has been reworked. Various effects (e.g. vampirism, pain) that were 100% resisted by a single level of rN now require 3 levels; rN provides 50%, 75%, and 100% immunity to them at rN+/++/+++, as with damage. The Agony effect now works like Torment, and goes down to 45%/40%/35% hp damage at rN+/++/+++.
>Warp Weapon and the Akashic Record have been removed.
>Necromancers’ Bind Souls now creates simulacra, not spectral things. This will, ideally, increase player deaths.
>Book amnesia (the ability to forget spells by destroying a book that contains them) has been forgotten, and also removed from the game.
>Paralysis and Confusion can no longer last for 50-100 turns when cast on monsters. (Players had, and have, a different formula that gives considerably shorter durations.)
Its been quite a while since we had an update that didn't actually include a new thing.

>>152218873
>Warp Weapon and the Akashic Record have been removed.
for what fucking purpose

>>152217840
I like how Richard Stallman tricked all the nerds into adopting this weird "open source" ideology, and they don't even bother to benefit from it.

>>152219247
How are you supposed to learn cBlink if the akashic record has been removed?

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>>152219247
>>152219492

>>152208492
I am starting a game on rlgrobin right now, on berotato, playing on trunk.

I will win with 15 runes, using the ancestor god Hepl, on a troll monk.

Here is the watch link:
http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

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>>152213258

done

>>152219932
mmm, d1 troll otabbing
captivating

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Reminder to save a scroll of familiar summoning for D:50

>>152218873
they should've just made rN a single pip like elec and pois, randarts generate with like 2-3 pips at a much higher rate than rF/rC anyway don't they?

>>152218873
>Hepliaklqanal now gives innate frail 1 on worship

What the fuck am I reading

>>152219817
>now that we've removed feature A, feature B no longer serves a purpose

>>152220015
Very cool. Did you raise only int?

>>152220256
I don't think so? I've never heard anyone mention that.

>>152220294

Good thing HP doesn't matter huh.

>>152220361
It's largely confirmation bias, but I've seen a ton of rN++ or rN+++ artifacts.

>>152220294
Hep really needed a nerf, and this is better than making your stand weaker.

>>152220361
i've just personally found plenty of randarts with rN++ or +++ and very rarely see rF/rC++, and only once saw rC+++

>>152220334

Yeah, since wasting stats for Str and Dex only makes your spells weaker

>>152220448
how about if your stand dies you die

>>152220575
That'd be so shit.

>>152220848
but hep now gives an extra 20% more HP for worshipping him

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>>152218873

>the Akashic Record have been removed

AHAHAHA soon they will remove cBlink! HAIL THE DEVS The future is bright!

nice tabbing champ

>>152219932
Got too excited and killed myself with immolation buffoonery. W H O O P S

>walk away for 5 minutes and rlgrobin literally explodes himself
What the hell happened?

>>152222064
did you get to V:5 already

i didn't think people actually used ?immo anywhere other than there and maybe TJR cheese

>>152222064

>using ?immo at all

hilarious how people keep on falling for noob traps like !ligni and ?immo

>>152222175
?immo can be worth it if you've got rF++ or better.

>>152220917
still wouldn't take it. i can't think of a way to make that work that isn't incredibly stupid (stand max level = 27, stand has 200% HP)

>>152221253
i wouldn't be surprised, seeing as it exists as a scroll and is really really good post -cTele

>>152222210
!ligni owns

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>>152218873
>buffing Pain, Vampirism, and Agony

>>152222805
>implying that there are any enemies with rN+ or rN++
it's mostly a nerf to players

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Get it before it's nerfed, boys.

>>152223112
Is Usk actually any good?

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This is actually a pretty fun build.
>hueg damage
>hueg bros
>hueg regen
>torment for slamming large groups
>can actually get some defenses with Cigotuvi's and soon Ozocubo's

>>152223180
it's more braindead than trog, the abilities aren't super useful so you just tab until you get the auto-paralyze and pain bond

>>152223180
Yes, being able to paralyze everything in LOS and causing all damage to split between those monsters is pretty good.
Instakills are also pretty good.

>>152219932
Am going again now with a DrTm (as requested) of Chei. I am xl8 and mottled.

do needles work on bosses?

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>>152223698
rest in peace

>>152223917
What game?

>>152223239
I like Og and I like Kiku so I figured why not play both again. Start hoping for Death Channel for a massive army of the dead.

>>152224554
Are you the other guy playing?
If so, I left some notes on our items.
Book of Frost and Book of unlife and a couple of other things are at waypoint 7.

>>152208629
That combo was actually my 2nd 3-rune win! Good times. Train Polearms early, stick with light armor + Dodging for defense. Don't spam your Invocations too much; they drain piety like a motherfucker and you wanna keep piety high for the passive benefits. Pick up some Charms later on if you can; if there was ever a character that can make good use of Song of Slaying, it's you. Throwing is also good for you; gives you a ranged option that doesn't drain piety.

>>152208847
Also what this dude said: listen for enemy shouts and then let them come to you. Start chucking javelins when the first wave shows up.

>>152216639
Nah, we just need to stop telling bad players to learn the game with MiBe. Sets them up for some bad habits. CeHu or SpEn at least teaches them to play hit-n-run instead of tabbing themselves into a situation they can't salvage.

>>152223917
in poschengband the poison needle can't kill uniques except the metal babble

>>152225087

>Ce
>Sp

Why exactly are you recommending them non-speed 10 races specifically tailored for shitters that isn't a Felid?

>>152225430
because if they play a race where running away is OP as fuck they will learn to run away and start using the tactic on speed 10 races as well

>>152225721
Exactly. Once they learn the value of disengaging, they'll do it earlier and more often with the slow guys. Don't fight the whole orc pack at once, priests and all -- escape, then pick them off one at a time once they've wandered about a little.

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>>152225721
No, they'll learn that they can kill monsters they shouldn't be fighting early on by kiting as a fast race.

>>152224502
>>152225403
dcss
>using needle of confusion on anateus is balanced

jesus fuck and you guys complain dcss is hard

>>152226841
uniques don't have any special status anon
they're vulnerable to all the same shit everything else is

except for banishment sort of

>>152226969
LOL, I just banished Duvessa and Dowan a few floors back. I'm not the kind of bastard who likes to split up a family, you know?

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This is boring, they don't change into anything else.
I don't know why the orc changed into dart slug in my game a few days ago.

>>152226841
I don't see anyone complaining DCSS is hard here.

>>152227327
They get mutated. Mut fog doesn't always poly.

>>152226841
chance to resist needles is based on HD so you'll need some decent throwing skill and hopefully a +9 blowgun

>hep nerfed because hexer is op
>meanwhile fighter and battlemage are still ass
good god design

>>152227704
this is exactly what I did anon my nigga
>20 throwing skill
>+9 blowgun
fucking ez

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>>152224634
Doing okay so far.

>>152227753
>Fighter and battlemage
>Ass
Nigga, what?

>>152227923
also I did it while under penance because my lamp of fire fucked my summon
bitch ass zin

>>152227928
>DChan online
Who has need for ruks when you are the master of unlife?

>>152229236
if you get dchan infestation and simulacrum can you get 3x deadfriends from each kill

>>152229482
Getting both infestation and simulacrum running on an ogre seems rough.
I do like infestation a lot though. The Necronomicon needed a buff when compared to paining weapons.

>>152227753

>fighter and battlemage are still ass

the fuck are you smoking

>>152227753
The winrates for people who pick Fighter are higher than the winrates for hexer, same with Battlemage iirc.

>>152229846
Which band?

>>152211660
Pretty sure rogueliker is fat and plays roguelikes, notably he has some old Demon gameplay

>>152229846
>tfw quaff-identifying potion of charisma

>>152227928
IM WATCHING YOU

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>>152229846
Moe anime was a mistake. What happened to anime with real plotlines? Where the characters weren't just UGUU DUNGEON-CHAN, FILL ME WITH YOUR LOOT!, but real characters who lived and died? Miyazaki was right.

>>152229925
FuryBand

>>152230507
Back off to MAL with you, anon.
Good anime comes out every year.

>>152222948
Clearly a nerf to the minotaur in the labyrinth.

>>152230486
And now it's time for you to play or something maybe.

>>152231265
Oh I was watching but not really paying attention
I'll give her a spin then, you were playing trunk?

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This never gets old.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=37ced24234dab7e6f1cc5abdfb4210a97cd2c855

>vinestalkers no longer start with regen

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Why isn't there any porn of Natasha, the russian whore.

>>152195560
>Normal life is boring
Unless you go adventuring and decide to wreck gangs and other scum, or go blow up stuff or go serial killer like >>152201493 said.
Build a base deep innawods, craft weapons, wreck shit and watch reactions on TV. It could be cool.

>>152231680

What's the exact regen difference of previous XL27 trolls/vinestalkers to new XL27 ones?

>>152231572
SO MUCH BLOOD!

>>152231732
Isn't there only porn of Sonja, Pikel, and Pikel's slaves?

>>152231990
trolls no change
vinestalkers now behave like they had lvl 4 regen under the old system instead of 3

>>152231680
>They get full regen at level 4 instead of 6 now
Honestly, this really isn't even a bad change. It makes the regen mutation insane, and VS ramps up a little faster in exchange for a rougher D:2.

>>152231680
>>152231990
>>152232041
Also when you hit XL 4 you have double the regen you previously had until level 6 where it is the same.

>>152231990
for VS:
xl 1-4: no regen
xl 4-6 better than before
xl 6-12 same as before
xl 12+ better than before again

>>152231680
Thast fine, the changes look fine to me

>>152232154
Should be 1-3, 4-5, 6-11, 12+.

>>152230507
RIP based vampire

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>>152232036
>Isn't there only porn of Sonja, Pikel, and Pikel's slaves?

>buffing vinestalkers
the madmen did it

>>152232212
it is [1, 3) [4, 6) [6, 12) and [12, 27]

>>152231572
>and there was some cunt yelling you shouldn't do this in v5

>>152232348
Its suboptimal play
It get rids of popcorn in exchange for waking up and pulling every actual strong enemy to your position

>>152232298
they're worse for the first 3 levels which according to the memes are the only part of the game that matters

then they get 33% more regen at xl 12+

>>152232315
You mean [1,4)

>>152232253
OP image is pretty relevant. Sonja and Pikel weren't even the "dog kobolds" in that, either.

>>152208492
>tfw you've forgotten if you were a lizard or a dog

>join chei
>explore new floor
>something hits you!
every time

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>>152232421
fuck

brb sudoku

>>152232407
I actually worked through Crypt after blowing up the welcome committee, which explains the lack of enemies in the screenshot. For some reason the chunks didn't expire while I was off clobbering liches.

Fun > optimal play!

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>>152232407

>optimal

AAAHHH THERE HE IS, HE POSTED IT AGAIN

>>152232407
>Explode popcorn
>Draw all big guys to the center
>Tele away and walk the perimeter
Easy game easy life

>>152232407
That's why you either teleport away or do like anon said he did here in >>152232584
and fuck off to a different branch while the strong stuff gets bored and wanders away from the stairwells.

>>152225087
fuck you and your suggestion to litter early dungeon with Ce and Sp ghosts

>>152220448
Meanwhile Trog has been left untouched because the game "needs" a "tutorial god" for "beginners".

>>152231990
VS regeneration rate is changed, it has 2 level now instead of 3.

from 0.2 * 3 = 0.6 HP regen
to 0.4 * 2 = 0.8 HP regen

But Regeneration 1 is granted at level 4 and Regeneration 2 is granted at level 12, so you need to grind exp faster to get your right.

Now
xl 1-3 : no regen
xl 4-11 : 0.4 regen
xl 12+ : 0.8 regen

previously
xl 1-5 : 0.2 regen
xl 6-11 : 0.4 regen
xl 12+ : 0.6 regen

>>152232407
>teleport away
>all monsters are attracted to the center of the map
lol anon ever thought about gitting fucking good

>>152233608
Give troglodytes the no scrolls conduct and make trog enchant your weapons/armour sometimes instead of giving ammo if your stuff isn't maximally enchanted.
Also give him an uncursing invocation.

>>152233608

Trog is not as strong as you think. He pales so much in comparison to the other Gods made to """"supplement"""" players gameplay (e.g Zin, Gozag etc.)

Qazloud is best 3 rune god. Fight me.

>>152233941
I don't have to fight you when every one else on the level will do it for me.
Hope you have "Faith.

>>152233941
uskayaw is better for being a "fight the entire floor at once" tablord character

>>152233941

Jokes on you, 3 runing is never relevant in any discussion.

>>152233869
More like, he's easy to pick up a 3 rune win with, even though he's _weaker_ than a lot of gods.

>>152233941
buff disaster area so I can zigg everything with him pls

>>152233608
easier =/= better

>>152234021
>winning the game is never relevant when discussing what's good in the game

>>152233941
>permanent mark status
>disaster area is uncontrolled, you can hit that merfolk 5 times with disaster area but Ilsuiw is untouched
>upheaval is rather weak

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>>152234225

>3 rune
>winning

>>152233869
There is no god that is stronger for a 3 rune win than trog. Berserk to get you through early game, Trog's hand for mid/late, Brothers in Arms for mid/late, and those fucking antimagic weapons. I would be impressed if you could raise a good argument against Trog for 3 runes.

>>152234381
Not to mention that trog lets you just pick and stick with a weapon skill cus of gifting.
And if you level throwing you get enough needles to parastab your way through vaults and elf.

>>152232676
Deep Fried Chicken

ok how do i 15 rune with Ru?

>>152236115
Don't sacrifice anything and just play like an atheist

https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#secret_tech

ogee
hitting plants while berserk
*RAGE weapons with Chei
slaughterboxes save
going into tree form to wield vampiric for free
with chei, go into dragon form and trample your own butterflies to take quick steps
go zin as a deep dwarf, stupefy an orc warrior someplace safe, abandon zin, use the orc as a vamp draining dummy, rejoin zin
cheiwalk tornado
miscast tloc spells at 100% fail for free abyss
Use the short paralysis from a hostile red wasp to make you immune to longer paralysis from other sources.
In 0.14, go into tree form to wield giant (spiked) clubs. You keep the GSC after treeform expires - or you did, until it was ruined by wheals. (Also discovered by wheals.)
give yourself exh from ddoor/jumping so you can't be berserked
zerking on top of a corpse so you can butcher it when nothing is in range to attack and extend the zerk
to avoid mesmerization without getting glow, use invis on mermaids instead of on yourself (only works if they haven't already mesmerized you & you don't have sinv)
Banish yourself in a bazaar to get more gold.
tell your spellforged servitor to wait so that it casts more.
use quicksilver dragon breath to clear contamination
Train a bad-aptitude skill to 27 and then sacrifice it to Ru for bonus piety. Spriggan with 25-27 Shields can get full piety by losing a hand. Trolls sacrificing Stealth or Evocations, or Draconians sacrificing Dodging, can do quite well.
cast delayed fireball, then cast silence and release the delayed fireball inside the silence to avoid waking things up with the fireball noise
<mibe> chop a hydra to have a lot of heads so when you animate it its stronger <mibe> Here: a spectral 14-headed hydra (friendly)
inner flame zombie allies and teleport other them around the level (svendre)

Does /rlg/ know more ?

>>152234381
gozag > trog

>>152236501
No, because berserk doesn't cost anything, you can spam berserk after berserk after berserk. The most dangerous part of the game is the early game, and no-piety Trog reduces the chances of dying in early game more than any other god, with no piety.

>>152236765
you kna do better with potion petition and random conf from gold
also, unrandarts and bribing zot

>>152236904
>you can do better
nigga what combination of (not free) potions is better than a free ( f r e e ) might, haste, and +50% hp

>>152234381

Trog's hand regeneration is a mere convenience for fighting mobs. Press 5 is made for that task of restoring your hp. The MR you only need through a whole 3 rune run is MR2 (MR++).

Debuffs that can land to you "most" of the time at MR2 is capped at ~10% (Banishment at 5% from Ogre Mage, Wizards while 6% from a DE Demonologist ) with a few exceptions of some uniques (Norris at 14% paralysis) and some trademark dangerous wizards like Liches (Slow,Paralysis,Petrify all at 14%) Ancient Liches (19%) and unique debuffs like sentinel mark (Vault sentinels at 24%).

XL 27 usually lands you at MR2 while a minotaur is at MR3, a known sweet spot of MRs, further lowering all of these already way too low chances.

Trog's hand is unnecessary.

_______________________

BiA is a mere convenience on 3 runing for your speedrunning purposes. A lot of gods have that kind of convenience too although in a different form and have the advantage of you solo'ing exp (Qazlal, Ru, Chei, Okawaru)

__________

Antimagic weapons are only useful for OoF's and Uniques and even if you did that, that's mostly an indication that your damage per aut is so bad you need to resort to antimagic so you don't get bamboozled by spells.

>>152237108
Are you actually this much of a retarded tablord, or am I being baited heavily?

>>152236904
Potion petition costs 400 gold after the first free one. Berserk just takes some food, so you can berserk dozens of times on a level if you need to. D1:Lair is much more dangerous than Zot, for the appropriately leveled character.

>>152237108
>encounter Grinder
>trog's hand saves your life

>encounter sigmund
>trog's hand saves your life

>encounter basilisk
>trog's hand saves your life

>orc sorcerors/ogre mages in orc:$
>trog's hand saves your life

MR is the most important resistance in the game, and trog gives it to you cheap.

OgGl of Oka. Shall I pump up Dex or Str as I level up?

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I love this ogre.
Draw your characters, /rlg/.

>>152237338

>encounter irrelevant freexps

not an argument

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>Desperately looking for a less shit weapon, toying with dropping shields completely and using a greatsword -> 3sword, even though I have a really great artifact shield waiting for me
>Mara shows up with the sword of 15 runes
>But I have to kill him first to claim my prize
This is going to be dumb.

>>152236365
Go treeform to read torment scrolls. Great way to kill TRJ.

Use lightning spire as a summonable wall or pillar. You can seal corridors with it to secure your escape, or pillar dance around one to make 100% sure you escape normal speed enemies. They'll either attack the pillar, letting you get space between you and the monster, or follow you and get zapped. Repeat until you've escaped or the monster is dead. Also, they know how to double zap way better than you do.

Use OTR or regen while opening/closing doors to completely fuck normal speed monsters.

Always summon a dude or two if you have shit MR when in LoS of something with paralyze, it could very easily save your life.

Breadswinging.

>>152237418
Dex. Og already get insane str from beginning stats and growth, and dex is more valuable per point.

>>152237484
>many uniques in early/mid game have confuse/paralysis
>basilisks and orc sorcerors almost guaranteed in course of game
>"irrelevant"

Most other enemies prelair are easy peasy with berserk. The only thing I can think of that slips through the net are centaurs.

>>152236365
>Banish yourself in a bazaar to get more gold.
>inner flame zombie allies and teleport other them around the level (svendre)
HOLY SHIT this sounds so fucking cool

>>152237506
That's what I thought.

>>152237491
I would replace breadswinging with (heavy 2hander you're not trained in)swinging

>>152237597

Orc Sorcerers despite being many could be immediately outdone by MR1. You don't need to reach midgame to get MR1. Basilisks on the other hand are very few in number and when you see one, it always sticks out like a sore thumb so you can always walk away.

Midgame is where you reach MR2. Read the above post for details where I prove that additional MR starting from MR2 is unnecessary.

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>lvl 27 invo
>of qaz
>call disaster area
>in the ziggs

>dcss is not responding

>>152237717
>>152237491
That is a good one. I think another one is to throw stuff next to a sleeping monster that is just outside your LoS. It'll wake it up and start wandering.

>>152237478
spoopy

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>>152237949
>savescumming

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>>152237858
This orc sorceror has a 46% chance of paralyzing me at XL 14 with 81 MR, or the low end of MR+.

>>152238570
>if you play at the computer you are savescumming

suck a dick piece of shit

I like to play crawl every now and then but I suck, a lot. The most sucess I've had is with trogg playing a troll and using claws or a mace and big rocks for ranged, but I always run out of big rocks because I never find enough and I die to some enemy I've never seen and have no idea what weapon stats even mean other than damage.

Help. What do I play to be successful that in no way involves magic becuase outside of muscle wizards and spellswords I hate it?
(and I hate it altogether when it has a %to do nothing/fail)

>>152237858
Now, with trog's hand, that costs 2-3 piety, I have tripled my MR from 42 to 122, and reduced the chances of getting paralyzed from 46% to 2%. You can't say that Trog's hand is not a powerful ability. It's not game breaking, it's not markedly superior to other gods' abilities, but it is far from irrelevant. Oh and I meant to say '42 MR' in the previous filename, don't know where 81 came from

>>152238735

I just noticed it that I mistook Sorcerers to Wizards. Then again, employing the same strat against a basilisk works to a Sorcerer too. Make sure it's alone, or just accompanied by mere Orcs so the paralysis won't do anything. Or even better, use killholes. It cannot paralyze you on the spot since it's always at the back of an orc pack.

As always, there's a gazillion of ways to kill a threat. Trog MR is a mere convenience

Yo, fuck Rupert.

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>>152238942
Git gud, stop savescumming and learn some English.

>>152238735
>0.17
based retard using evidence from outdated versions

>>152238570

>it's a D3 online splatter in charge of calling anyone a savescummer episode

>>152238998
Come the fuck on, anon.

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>>152239091
>getting this mad when you can't make it to Lair without savescumming

Can't make this shit up.

>>152239212
DCSS players everyone. Call back when you start playing a roguelike for grown-ups.

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>>152238972


>>152238998
Orc sorcerors have a nasty spellset, once you're paralyzed there's nothing stopping them from blasting you with fire/draining. Even if you get them 1v1 around a corner, you're rolling pretty risky dice not having appreciable MR.

>>152238968
If you don't want to use magic at all play MuMo challenge. Even the faggot trog lets his worshipers use wands/rods and other evocables

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>>152238998
Minotaurs get baseline MR per level, 3 MR per level. You can expect to start seeing sphinxes and orbs of eyes and ogre mages and stuff in vaults at around XL 20. For minotaurs (and most races) they have 60 MR, about 1 1/2 pips of MR. Are you telling me you feel safe fighting in vaults when a number of enemies would have a 50/50 chance of smite-target paralyzing you?

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Sorry guys.

>>152239982
rip

>>152239982
>118 dmg
>ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTTEEN DAMAGE

>>152240114
About how much damage that character dealt with a melee attack lmao.

>>152239982
you friggin let an OoD hit you? From an ancient lich? I hate to be mean, but you deserved that death. I hope you learn from it.

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>>152239348

>Even if you get them 1v1 around a corner

Alright. Let's simulate an MR1 MiBe 1v1'ing an Orc Sorcerer multiple times without using any God skill. I'm at AC 0 and EV 14

>>152240208
My idea was that I would cast simulacrum and then step behind it, I just thought they were speed 20 instead of 30.

>>152240208
Anon, every death is deserved unless you get blown up/abyssed the turn a monster comes into view, or there's a gnoll with a branded spear outside the D1 gates.

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>>152240274

Press &+E to freeze time and go to this corner. Press &+E to unfreeze and press tt to shout. Wait for it to come then engage.

>>152240481
I've been fucked by zot trap paralysis so many times. One time I didn't even step on it, a fuckign spiny frog stepped on it, paralyzed me, then continued to insert his spines up my asshole

>>152240114
Yeah, it's 9d20, so that's only about 14 damage above average.

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>>152240518

I would like you >>152239348 to test this multiple times and see if you die even once. No adding of items or anything ok? Just AC 0, EV 14.

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Quick, /rlg/, post your loot

>>152239982
no one gives a shit

>>152240587
Just admit that you loved it, you sick toadfucker, and end this charade.

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>>152240984

>>152239769

Sphinxes and Great Orb of Eyes at Vaults are so rare to even be called a threat. The only real threat that's abundant are vault sentinels that could hit you with marks.

That's what Abyss is for.

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>>152240984
Do runes count?

>>152241554
No.

>>152239769

Why are you including MR1 in the discussion?

>>152239769
>smite targeted paralysis
Only eyeballs can do that and they have to charge up.
They are also very rare.

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>>152241597
Well enjoy this shop with spirit shield and a dope slayer ring. And 4 amulets of harm.

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>>152240984

as a caster

>>152239982
Least it was fun, yeah? Been a while since I've played crawl.

>>152241892
What do you mean by "dope slayer"? Is that someone who kills dope fiends? Or is it like a dope fiend who's so good at it that he like, slays dope, you know like a womanizer slays women.

>>152242010
Yeah, it was a really interesting character to play.

>>152240792
>>152239348
BLASTED THE FUCK OUT

>>152240587
I'm continually surprised that DCSS still has traps and sticky curse.

>>152242036
I mean the +2 EV, +3 slay "slayer" ring, ya doof.

>>152242036
You've nouned his adjective. Stop that.

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Its like I'm really playing .13 necromancer. This sword is nuts now that it has no downside.

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Pssh, nothing personal, kid.

>>152239063
>someone is such a scrub he needs to play online to stop himself from saving

>>152241814
All monster-cast paralysis is smite-target, I believe.

>>152241396
Paralysis, confuse, mark, petrify, sleep, and banishment all make a bad situation worse. Altogether they represent a real possibility of killing you because you didn't have enough MR. Don't forget the golden little floating eyes on confusion in slime, a pack of those will definitely do you in.

>>152240792
I'll admit that 1v1 in a perfect killhole, I only died to the orc sorcerer about 1 in 20 times. But then I went 1v1 against in a sphinx (after leveling to 20) in a perfect killhole, and died about 1 in 15. Then I went 1v1 against a sphinx in the open, and died about 1 in 13. Then I leveled to XL12 and 'encountered' a basilisk and spiny frog in the open, near cover, and either fought one of them, or ran for a corridor, and died about 1 in 10. Then I went to XL 27 and got rCorr and 30/30 defense, and went against golden eyes and an acid blob, and I died 9/10 times. The slime pits example is the extreme, but even ignoring it, if you get a bunch of 90% survival rate scenarios and string them together, you whittle down your overall survival rate. Don't forget about banishment and mark, either. Going through the game with low MR is just not a good idea.

>>152243651
You believe wrong and are silly.
Smite targetted things: eyeball para, smiting, smite-flavoured h*ckfire, haunt, airstrike.
Maybe I missed a couple, but the vast amount of spells are beams.

>>152240792
now test 1vs1 against caustic shrike

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>>152244036
>caustic shrike

>>152243651

>mark, sphinx paralysis and banishment

By the time you can encounter this, you already have MR2 above. And even if you were unfortunate enough to only have a single source of MR+, my first post above proved that MR2 is more than enough for 3 runing.

Do note that a sentinel mark has the highest success rate of all debuffs, which could be avoided by just going to the Depths+Abyss instead and leveling up to XL27 IF AND ONLY IF you are allergic to sentinel marks and have no means to deal with multiple mobs.

>>152243784
well shucks, I just waited behind a rat for a hundred turns, and grinder did not do a single thing to me. For the longest time I thought that all paralysis except for the wand was smite targeted.

>>152244515
Naw son. If sphinxes could smite para you it would be so broken. They have very high spell power for that type of thing.

>>152244515

Grinder can blink though. Sometimes literally beside you.

>>152244435
You are not gauranteed to have MR++ by the time you encounter these. If you don't get lucky by drops, and you don't use Trog's Hand because you deem it a waste of piety because MR is overrated, then most races will only get MR++ at XL 27.

Guys, recommend me a DoomRL build that is not Intuition scout to win some deafult HNTR games

>>152244639
gid gud

I splatted like a dummy to the Lernean Hydra. Don't crawl while sleep deprived guys. I feel like both High Elf and Skald are both underrated. Spectral weapon is an insane spell, and getting shround/regen with it is actually really nuts. High elf slow leveling kind of sucks though, I'm not going to lie.

Good MR discussion. I'm not so sure about how good Trog's Hand is anymore. However, I'm going to bed now

>>152242580
That's not a slay ring, that's an EV ring, 'cause the EV is listed first. Can't blame me for being confused when you messing up the terminology, you know?

>>152245034
I mean. Ok. My bad. It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

what rls let me play as a skeleton?
preferably something not grindy and not bloated like pcb or e+

>>152245593

Elona+ has bloat? Which ones?

>>152245593
I know you can play as a skeleton in ToME4, but I don't know if that is grindy or bloated having never played it.

Speaking of which, I'm going to try my hand at modding Skeletons into mpa-sil.

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Someone left a TrWz of chei on rlgrobin
Gonna continue it and see what i can do..
http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

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>>152245593
>using the bloat buzzword unironically

>try to play felid
>keep dying to giant geckos
What the FUCK is this race

>>152246759
DEAD

>>152247252
Use your fucking spells?
you ARE starting with spells right

>>152218873
Do they not realize that stair dancing is the only way for several characters to deal with many situations, including some pretty bullshit OoD shit, and pretty much all early ghosts?

>>152247638
>get bad rolls
>run out of mp
>it's the same speed as me

>>152247898
Have fun when you walk around corners into awake orc priests on d:3

>>152247898
>felid
>it's the same speed as me

>>152247934
>felid
>+19 stealth aptitude
>it's awake

>>152247969
Have you even ever played the game?

>>152248093
I guarantee I have more felid wins than your zero.

>>152248139
Name?

Why are LRD and Stone arrow so shit

>>152248139
a/s/l?

>>152248440

because you're shit lol

>>152248440
>LRD
>Shit
It scales extremely well, what are you on about?

>>152248440
Why don't you try getting gud?

>>152248495
19 / futa(male) / london

>>152247252
Berserk it?
you ARE starting with Trog right

>>152248758
>futa(male)
I'm suffocating.

What's the ideal sweet spot Int stat of a playertabber who plans to branch into spells?

>>152248139
So, -1?

>>152249058
15+. Depends on what you're doing and what spells you want.

>>152215135
>not finessing it down with a loaf of bread
lmaoing at ur life choices my friend

>You will never use a finessed weapon of speed with spectral weapon for extremely fast swing at incredibly high speeds
I jut want to average over 10 swings per turn. Is that too much to ask?

>>152247465
Im not even sure why someone did that combination.. Oh well im done for now, fuck lair as En sometimes

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>Finally reach temple
>this
Well..alright, being a conjurer makes Felid a lot easier though

>>152250607
kiku or bust

>>152250607
sif muna is the only god for magic cats.

>>152245314
I'm just fucking with you, playing the fool a little. My bad.

>>152249017
On girlcock?

>>152251059
>Wasting ID on wands that are not HW/TP/Haste

>>152251853
Identifying dig and disint for killholes is pretty important for not being one of those zero percent winrate players, anon

>>152250607
Wait for chei

>>152251853
Having dig ID'd makes for a free lair and orc

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Well this sucks.

>start a game of DCSS
>go human berserker
>instantly find a +2 robe of the archimagi
So this is the game's way to say "fuck you!"? Interesting.

Is it just me or is Makhleb's only real use is his heal on kill? I'm literally chilling on Pan right now at 0 Invo

>>152256056
Summoning demons is pretty cool.

>>152255665
I used Wizard mode to calculate this before.
Assuming all of your skill is 15, 10 str, 25 int, 20 dex

Bolt of Fire
Max Damage : 6d25

Power : 75
Your Damage : 6d(3+Power/9) = 6d11
Average damage : 36

Robe of archmagi adds 21 so your spellpower is 96
Your Damage : 6d(3+Power/9) = 6d13
Average damage : 42

That's right, by wearing robe of archmagi you raise your damage from 6d11 to 6d13.
Feel free to test this in wizard mode.

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I know nothing about DCSS.
What's a poor MiBe to even use when Trog keeps making it rain

>>152257115
Enhancers are a multiplicative bonus, not an additive bonus. They're really the only way youre going to cap your high level spells.

>>152257464
Those are all kind of crap, the ex axe is probably your best bet.

>>152257115
>>That's right, by wearing robe of archmagi you raise your damage from 6d11 to 6d13.
That might not seem like much, but high spellpower often reduces the amount of spell casts required to kill a monster. It's especially important in ziggurats, where killing an oof with 3 firestorms instead of 4 means a 33% increase in damage not to mention increasing mana efficiency.

>>152257464
If you have enough axes skill trained to use the executioner's axe at 1.0 delay or less, use that. Also use any scrolls of enchant weapon that exist in your game on it.

>>152257728
>>152257803
Aye aye, cap'ns

>>152257803
depending on where he is in the game it might be a better idea to hold out for a better brand like elec or vamp.

>>152257762

>killing oof with 3 firestorms

Ok I understand that you're scared of getting hit by 12 or more oofs casting Fireball at the same time depending on your positioning but you shouldn't really do that. Use Glaciate

>>152257934
Antimagic is an outstanding brand.
Also
>holding out in hope of
>in DCSS
I bet you expect acquirement to give you nice stuff too.

>>152258563
Yes, antimagic is a great brand, but if he's in Lair or Orc or a branch, I'd take Elec over it.

>>152258447
>he thinks red balls of fire can resist the might of fire storm

>>152258807

waste of mana

>>152259082
>firestorming oofs is a waste of mana.
son, there are floors that are almost impossible to beat without exploiting offscreen firestorms

>>152258705
He can't enchant his only elec axe unfortunately.

Is DCSS Circus Animals any good?

>>152259620
No.

You know how you get titles according to piety that are only available when Invocations is your highest skill or if you check your ^ screen)?

I've noticed that Uskayaw's title is adjusted according to Invocations skill, not piety. I know that Invocations increases the success rate and effect of her active skills, but does it have any effect on the frequency or duration of her passive effects at high piety? IE: does it make her paralyze more often, does it make her emotionbond more often?

>>152259918
Duration only.
The titles are based off of Invo because other wise your title would change 5 times a fight.

>>152259778
Any particular reason?

>>152259548

Even if you fill a Zigg floor literally full (every single tile) of oofs, a Glaciate could take care of it just fine.