/rlg/ - Roguelike general

>>152343575
>want_shield = min(2*[Shields skill],[highest weapon skill])+10
>dont_shield = max([highest weapon skill]-[Shields skill],0)+10
>Note that it always uses your highest weapon skill here, even if the weapon type it chose earlier doesn't actually belong to your highest weapon skill. Unarmed Combat also counts as a weapon skill for determining whether you want a shield, so if Unarmed Combat happens to be your highest weapon skill, higher Unarmed Combat skill makes you more likely to get two-handed weapons from acquirement.
AHHAHAHAHAHAH

>>152344095
xth for bad code, a roguelike tradition

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worship the tum

>>152344095
Also worth noting:

>Otherwise, multiply each weight by max(1,(27-min(27,[Armour skill]+3)-[armour ER]))^3, and then choose from the first list with those modified weights. In other words, quoting the comments, "highest chance when armour skill = (displayed) evp - 3" and "armour closest to ideal evp is 27^3 times as likely as the furthest away". Yes, it completely ignores your str, etc.

Want heavier armour? Train Armour skill first.

>>152344190
loli dancer roguelike when?

Some anon said that the Android port of Nethack was his favourite, but he never said which port it was, do you guys know if it's the main one on the Play Store, because that one has some weirdass kb layout

>>152344590
This makes sense tho, the weapon acquirement doesnt

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How do I survive past Dwarftown as a melee character? It's so damn easy to play wizard when you have teleportation to evade almost any situation but warrior feels absolutely helpless.

>>152344224
I bet it's a really good-looking hat though. Like the kind your dwarf can start his pimpin' career with after he ascends.

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hot new roguelike

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>>152347136
that @ is so fucked

>>152346539
In ADOM all characters in late game are the absolutely fucking same, with a difference of how many high level spells you can cast. Which doesn't matter much anyway because slaying ammo is absolutely OP and you should train a ranged weapon skill.

It's been a while since I've played ADOM and I forgot quite a bit already, but there's generally a sequence of doing things which makes the game much easier. Also ADOM is generally easier in the last free version (not counting the scummy tactics a lot of which were removed) since Ice Queen's Domain is a free source of mid game greater vault, tons of xp and very good rewards. I also think the last free version still has the overly buffed minotaur maze; doing IQD/FGJC and the maze sets you up for the rest of the game.

A bit earlier, you need to acquire certain traits, like getting teleport control first by farming blink dogs (name the original one so you don't forget which one it is and make it summon as many buddies as possible to maximize the chance of one of them dropping a corpse). With that and some means of magic mapping you go to VDDL and get a wand of teleportation from the hidden part of the map. With that, if you aren't chaotic (why would you, it only makes the game harder) you go to Dwarftown and teleport to dwarven mystic who is unaccessible otherwise. There are more sequences like that and if you do things in the correct order, reaching Dwarftown is like a sign that you've almost won already.

I can't write much more because I really don't remember a lot of the stuff, but there's stuff like prioritizing Healing (and Concentration for casters) early on, eating spiders ASAP for poison resistance, getting crowned and pre/post-crowned by tedious live sacrifices as soon as you find an altar of your alignment (not counting the one in Dwarftown), acquiring a stack of holy water while you're at it and use it to identify all of your stuff, diving Darkforge once you can deal with steel golems and so on.

>>152343989
>tfw still have a pic of my win, the one before the latest one
Tho compared that to this.. Mine is shameful

Why arent shields their own acquirement slot

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>>152344224

>>152348428
Would be broken

!!! BEWARE THE BALANCECRIME !!!

>>152348440
anon it's 5 am and i'm sleep drunk and you've made my night
thanks

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>>152348440
Im not sure if i should smile, cry or do anything else but this is cute and its so..
Well either way i cried a bit from happiness and smiled a lot, thanks anon

wait hold up
you're telling me you can't evoke rings of teleportation anymore?

Come watch my friend spam stealthy dick of storms as KoAr of Nemelex

http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

>>152349979
no, and there's more than enough of teleportation sources without it

>>152352236
>he doesn't know the pleasure of tele ring + ctele ring
i will never be a warp god again ;_;

>>152350195
>Summons a panlord
>Proceeds to anger it with the disc
Absolute madman

>>152352346
He actually didnt, it was still under his control lol

>>152352512
Right, i forgot about the green circle instead of the heart icon

What does hearing a distant blaring wail mean?

>>152352968
Someone stepped on an alarm trap.

>>152352328
It was completely broken, good riddance.

>>152352968
A player ghost has spawned on the level and it knows where you are. Better run!

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Finally, frog pond seems to be not so useless after all

>>152353636
I have literally never seen that much gold spawn at once.

>>152353242
>it was completely fun, well removed!

>find dragon king
>don't know if worth wearing
>that complicated feel when

>>152354592
Answer these questions to find out!
>Are you playing a caster?
>Do you have at least 30 STR?
>Does it tank your EV to less than 15?
If any of those had NO as an answer, you can safely throw it into lava!

>>152354789

dumb

>>152354789
It can be good for a tabber.

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Shattering orc right after lair is a special experience.

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There's no way to complete this area without killing John is there?

>>152344224
>what can you get for the man who has everything?

>>152352328
>>152353242
There's too big of a gap between blink and controlled blink.

Petition for lvl5 spell semicontrolled blink.

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Amulet of harm is dank. I like pretending I invested even a single point of exp in my lvl 0 Fire Magic every now and then

>>152357548
last time i played passage was still a spell

>>152355232
John is a fucking asshole anyway.

>>152346539
Guaranteed tele wand in the dusty dungeon level.

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>Grinder with a wand of digging on D:5
There is no god

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>>152361503
>Grinder pulls out her dick.

>>152361503
Quaff might and tab

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>mfw I forgot to use my 5(five) blink scrolls

>>152357548
That's what Blink+Control Teleport used to be. You would cast Blink and get to pick a direction.

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This run has been kind of shit, absolutely nothing good except for that dragon hide which is waaay too heavy. First time I get so few pots by D:10 as well

>>152357548

More like a petition to remove cBlink because it reeks of degeneracy.

>>152363736
Quaff curing, 9989
Or burn a blink

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>>152363736
Then I blinked out but there was a water moccasin precisely on that spot

Thinking further, the wands of digging are good, at least. And damnation would be good if I could even survive to extended like this

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>>152363996
And then I blinked AGAIN and this was the result

>>152364160
Okay, the first tele put me right in front of Urug but the second did the trick

>>152364160
>blinking into unexplored area
You are own fault

>>152363996

Why would you blink south when you can blink north where it's explored? That's some next level fault right there

>>152364160
Your should have blinked back to the stairs at the beginning. Why would you blink into the unknown.

>play DEFE
>need to press z eight times to kill a fucking rat
>die
>remake character
>meat last DEFE's ghost
>he two-shots me with puff of flame

how the fuck does this make sense

>>152364279
>>152364285
>>152364314
Because I didn't want Urug and the famalamas to kill me. I didn't die so BACK THE FUCK OFF?!?!?

>>152363736
>>152363996
>>152364160
>blinking into unexplored territory
Are you fucking retared son?

>>152364561
>it worked out, so it must be a good thing to do

>>152364465
Do you not enjoy the 3-102 RNG of Crawl?

>>152364561

You burned through your entire stock of escapes because of being retarded. Enjoy being a formicid

>>152364693
The alternative was getting shot by Urug who didn't get fear, so as far as I'm concerned that was the right move

In any case I'll start another character since I got killed by a hill giant with throwing nets and GSC.

>>152364768
>>152365016
So you're saying a better move would have been to blink straight to where Urug was while also remaining exposed to the electric eels for another turn? There's a reason why I blinked to the farthest tile I could

>>152365056
One alternative was to not surround yourself with wolves and eels until your HP was in single digits.

>>152364927
I've always been vastly annoyed at how my ghosts are vastly stronger than my character actually was.

>>152365262
That was tele. I didn't walk there

>>152365261
>>152365056
I'm saying that you shouldn't complain that people are telling you about your dumb decision when the decision is, in fact, dumb. You had no better options, yes, but that only means that your mistake had occurred before you started taking screenshots.

>>152365389
Maybe you should choose to not teleport when 90% of the level is unexplored.

I'm torn between him being dumb because he didn't mention initially that there was a dangerous enemy in the only explored direction, or the people responding being dumb not noticing that he teleported to where he was in the first screenshot.

All in all, the correct decision was probably blink to stairs and choose another entrance down instead of using tele in the first place.

>>152365617
I teleported because I was getting a new asshole from Urug, his bunch of wolves and a troll. That's why I read fear too, you can still see the wolves fleeing on the other screenshots. I didn't expect the tele to put me on such a bad position

>>152366001
You should have expected the tele to put you in a terrible situation, because you explored none of the level.

Any reasonably intelligent person would have gone up the stairs and ever been challenged at all, or quaffed might and beat down Urug. However, since you're a Crawl player you'll have to rely on rote memorization. Now you have to add to your incredibly big list of heuristics the idea that teleporting with an unexplored level is risky in some way.

>>152365261

Of course dumbass. If you blinked north, ID your digging and dig towards the staircase, you would have saved your faulty ass. Urug is several tiles east, that should already buy you enough time

>>152366435
>>152366486
You really, really don't want to give up on this right? If I kneel and stroke your cocks while telling you you're the best will that be enough?

And again, that's not even what killed me

>>152366823
It is what killed you. You intentionally put yourself in a situation in which you were 'forced' to use up all of your resources blinking around a level where you couldn't fight anything, because you waited until you were at 4 health before doing anything about it.

>>152366435
>However, since you're a Crawl player you'll have to rely on rote memorization. Now you have to add to your incredibly big list of heuristics the idea that teleporting with an unexplored level is risky in some way.
This made me crack up.

>>152367442
No, what killed me was the fucking hill giant with throwing nets who hit me a couple times before I'd finished resting

And I don't know about you, but I really don't care that much. It's a game. I play it for fun. I honestly don't give a shit about losing a character, I've already given my reasoning (which is already more than I had any obligation for, being that you're obviously just desperate to act with condescension towards someone or something) and whether you believe it or not I'm NOT always at the edge of my seat thinking about all the possible ways I could save a fucking roguelike character whenever I get on a "dangerous" situation

I mostly just do the first thing I can think of that sounds like it'll work because, again, that's the way I have fun with roguelikes at all. I guess I could sit and think for at least a minute before any move, not use autoexplore and cheese the shit out of the energy system and substantially improve my winrate, but the thing is that I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT and playing that way bores me to tears.

>>152368150
_______________________________________________________________ git gud _______________________________________________________________

>>152368150

>I guess I could sit and think for at least a minute before any move

But you took more than a minute to crop and post those 3 screenshots.

>>152368150
>LOL DUDE it's just a game CHILL OUT who even cares
>I actually play Crawl for FUN

>>152368553
>caring about how one plays single-player games

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don't ask how i got here

but what should i do

i have most scrolls/potions except for !hw
would ?silence work

>>152368150
>winning is boring

While I appreciate your position, I'd like to remind you that teleporting around like you've been possessed by Xom has resulted in this once-promising character being killed forever, thus meaning that not only do you have to start over from scratch but that you got outsmarted by fucking Urug.

It stands to reason that if you came up with even more way of dealing with incredibly common situations, which involves neither teleportation nor scrolls of random uselessness, you'd have more fun because you'd be able to see more of the game than the first 10 levels.

>>152368541
Now you're looking for any justification at all to keep the stale shitstorm going. I have a song for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

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>wear ID an amulet of harm
>take it off because it sucks and my skills are high enough to take the drain
>now this happens
I am going to have noskillz
Thank God that this trove gave me +5 Slaying to make up for it.

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Would it be possible to turn spellbinder into a holy scourge?

>>152368669
Evoke Disintegration. It's coded to oneshot statues and similar enemies.

>>152368856
Man, it was an ogre and all my loot was super shit. Even if I literally exclusively used o, tab and 5 I could get another ogre to D:10 before I have lunch. I had seen people playing Yred yesterday so I've been trying him as well

>>152369057
AAA
(always aidentify amulets)

>>152368669

Oh yeah? I know exactly how you got there

>going to Elf:1 because lol I'm so excited
>at XL16 MR1
>haven't even entered a lair branch
>*crackle of arcane magical power*
>get bamboozled by Superior Elves™

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>>152369224
apparently this does not work in trunk

>>152369150
No. Artifacts cannot be changed by any means.

>>152369381
oh fug, I didn't know that was trunk. Sorry, I thought someone with enough taste to play in ASCII would have the good judgement to play an older version. It would have worked in at least .14

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>>152369381
AYYY wow
>>152369354
you're wrong
i dove to depths retardedly early, was tempted by my first ever wizlab

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This is right after having fought nergalle.

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>>152370242
Reminds me of this

>>152345930
Sorry to nag but could someone please give their thoughts on this?
Even just your experiences of playing Nethack on Android would be good
Is it just me or is the keyboard for the recently updated version really awkward?

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I did it boys hope you are proud of me.

>>152370835
Nobody plays roguelikes on their phones for a reason.
Only nethackphoneanon can save you now, and who knows where he is.

>>152370994
>for a reason
which is what? phones are no longer a meme gaming device. the recent Nexus phones are pretty decent, at least since the N5.

>>152369620
>good judgement
listening to rlg memers isn't good judgement anon

>>152371175
I have no idea what you're talking about, but there's no way that you can ever remove the spikes from the chair of using a touchpad to play a game with over 80 commands in the standard interface.

>>152371175
the reason is that they don't have fucking keyboards, anon

games that aren't designed from the beginning with a touchscreen control scheme in mind are shit when you try to port them onto a phone

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>>152361503
Grinder?
I hardly even know her.

>>152371175
roguelikes are difficult to control on a phone where, in most cases, you need at least a handful of different keys to smoothly play said game

>>152371523
There are still phones with physical keyboards, I think

>>152371523
>they don't have fucking keyboards
m8, Android/iOS have had halfway decent keyboards for several years now, not sure when you last used a phone, but that was kinda the original point I was trying to make here >>152371175
When I mentioned the weird keyboard on the new Nethack build here >>152370835 that was referring to a non-standard keyboard that the developer decided to use for some reason

>>152370910
This is a second rlgrobin win btw, if anyone cares
Either way gz anon

>>152371750
The android keyboard takes up like half the screen, my dude. Where the hell are you going to fit the game?

>>152343989
roguenex.us is dead btw.

>>152371750
touchscreen keyboards are ok for typing but shit for actually playing games

>>152371750
"oops"
"misclick"
Rip.

Also see >>152372913

>>152370456
lmao

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goodbye friends

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>>152371841
not sure if dumb akari poster

>>152375604
It's really not that grave at level 18

>>152376306
Take every upstairs you haven't taken, sometimes some altars are locked in a vault only accessible by stairs

>>152370835
Sorry for late reply. Only nethack port i know of is called "Pathos" and there was even a win here not too long ago

>>152376306
Altars are down to D:9

>>152376306
Use X, [, ], <, and > to search for stairs that have asterisks on them. There's likely a small vault accessible only through one stair that contains the altar. All non-Jiyva, non-Lucy altars are guaranteed between D:1 and D:9

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Tell me about Vashnia.
Why does she blast the ass?

>>152370910
>>152371841
wew

gj lads

>>152370835
Don't listen to >>152376669, there's a perfectly fine Nethack port done by gurr. Although if you download it from the playstore you're getting 3.6.0 instead of 3.4.3
If you want to play the good version, go to http://github.com/gurrhack/NetHack-Android/releases/tag/v1.4.0 and download it from there. You'll have to allow downloads from "unknown sources" first

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perhaps it is a sign

>>152376608
almost got raped though

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Surely these defences will be enough for Elf.

Should a MfTm learn Hydraform, ever?

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>>152377871
>antennae 1, talons 1, icy blue scales 1, agile 2, clarity, poison resistance, evolution 1

Someone's been sipping on Xom's happy juice.

>>152377880
hyrdaform is like bladehands with cleave but shittier defenses

not too popular compared to bladehands/statue/dragon

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>>152377871

As a spriggan enchanter stabber, should I even bother with any other magicks besides hexes?

>>152379043
Necromancy and charms are good.

Is Bolt of Draining useful as a FE? I'm nearly done with Lair and I've found literally zero offensive spell books, and this is the first thing Veh's gifted me that's not level 1/2.

>>152379501
It's nice if you have an enhancer.

>>152379501
i mean it's sort of a shitty frequently-resisted element but it could be nice if you need a non-fire option

do you have any books with shit like regeneration/animate dead? if so definitely pick it up for the necro value

>>152371523
sudoku

>>152380508
allow me to reword that:
>IN GENERAL, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS, games that aren't designed from the beginning with a touchscreen control scheme in mind are shit when you try to port them onto a phone

>>152370910
me too
I got the exec axe and stuff

>>152372642
what happened

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I wonder if this counts as a streak.

How the fuck do I into Spiders Nest? I've lost more strong characters in this filthy branch than any other one in the game. My mages get fucked up, my warriors, everything. Even with resistance I still get fucked up by poison. What is the trick?

>>152381789
The security was compromised and the server was used to attack Sony by a hacker.
Also your passwords and emails were leaked to said hacker.

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>>152381851
Ayyy, it does.

>>152381851
Wait what the fuck I got the exec axe on this character. Both of you are nemelex so it's the same shit

>>152379014
Nope, still alive.

Time to dive Depths for a dragon armor.

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>>152382598
Forgot the screencap.

>>152382597
What?

>>152381880
Take it slow, don't tab foward like an idiot. If possible, dig killholes. If playing a mage, be extra careful due to having to regen MP.

>>152381880
I did it! Man i've lost so many characters to Spider:4 it's embarrassing. Now on to Shoals, which is apparently harder. I've only ever lost 2 characters on Shoals:4 ,though

>>152383087
I got that exec axe and high council hat from an ice cave u noob

I finally got to Lair:8 for the second time and I'm met with no loot but a portal to hell.

Is this good or bad?

Characters with huge Strength should be able to onehand twohanders y/n

>>152383501
Yeah I figured that's where we got the exec axe.

>>152383606
The loot is on the portal to Hell, it might be a decent amount of gold or some rod or something similar.

>>152383749
Ahah, thanks. I X'd over it and only saw a flail which was useless for me, but there was a MR+ cloak there as well. Good enough for me.

>enter bazaar
>go to first store
>hit >
>at the last second realize it's a gate back out
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Continuing my trunk DeWn of Hepliaklqana from last night on Jorgrun Rocks.

https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks:8081/#watch-rlgrobin

Got my first books very late, but we're trying to get shatter online now. We have petrify, stone arrow, pog, LRD, and alistair's intox memorized, and are having trouble progressing in both snakes and shoals.

Probably heading back into shoals to make maximum use of intox. Would like to go into elf, but dancing weapons will eat us for lunch, as will crystal spears and hellfires.

Besides Trog and Oka, what's a good god for a melee dude?

>>152385426
Makhleb

>>152385426
Uskayaw, Ashenzari, TSO, and Hepliaklqana too.

>New race
>Mountain Dwarves
>Good at Axes, spears, fighting, armour, evocations, bad at most magic, invocations, stealth, swords.
>They can forge artifacts by taking a base item that they wish to add on to, along with other items with properties that they want to add. For example a +2 Cloak of Invisibility and a +1 Cloak of MR becomes an artifact +3 Cloak with Invis and MR+
>Success rate scales with XL; at lower levels there's a cumulative chance per added quality that a downside will be added, like a negative resistance, decreasing the enchantment level, and so on.
>Can also disenchant existing artifacts by sacrificing one permanent MP, allowing the artifact to be modified by scrolls and used to craft other artifacts.

>>152385763
we already had mountain dwarves and this sounds too nethacky

>>152385426
Just about all of them but for various reasons.
What are you looking for? Utility or more hitdude power?

>>152385920
>sounds too nethacky
Is this the dev's excuse for when they don't want fun stuff?

>>152384772
Found IRON SHOT in Shoals:2 from the Book of Power. Now we're cooking with gas. Training some conj.

>>152385763
>crafting
sounds more like a god than a racial gimmick tbqh

>>152385568
>>152385729
Thanks, I'll give them a shot.

>>152385939
Ideas. I'm still pretty new to DCSS.

>>152386070
Just when they want to reduce convolution. For better or for worse, part of crawl's design is super streamlined gameplay. Nethack is kind of the opposite; there are tons of interactions you wouldn't know about without lots of experimentation and with the right tools and knowledge you can break the game in a large number of ways.

>>152368150
>I guess I could sit and think for at least a minute before any move, not use autoexplore and cheese the shit out of the energy system and substantially improve my winrate, but the thing is that I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT and playing that way bores me to tears.
>I could sit and think for at least a minute before any move
>I could sit and think
Evidently you can't, since it's too boring. Why are you even playing roguelikes?

>>152386314
Well Trog is best for pure hit dude power since you don't have to sink any skill into invo for him and he drops weapons. Oka is the same but you need to get invocations to like 10 to benefit from finesse and heroism fully. He also gives shit other than weapons but it will probably not be very useful. Fedhas gives food and lets you play tower defense and the wandering mushrooms run through most things before orc is done. Yred gets you buddies and a decent amount of survivability but he is awful if you want to do more than 3 runes. TSO gives you some decent benefits and the halo lets you hit dudes more reliably.

Qazlal requires a shit ton of invocations to use well but will destroy everything if you do. Qazzie also will attract the whole level if you're not careful.

Uskaya will let you stomp through large mobs but won't give you much help for small amounts of trash and requires no lead in so you can switch to him late and get full effects.

Hep gets you a buddy who is pretty decent at what you need him to do. Oh and Makhleb is best god for everybody because hp back on kills is super fucking useful. You can train invo to use his abilities but you only really need hp on kill.

Ash gives you a boost to your XP based off of how cursed you are so you can get a decent boost in power in the mid game. Knowledge is also power so knowing what's waiting is very useful. Gozag is also good if you're willing to wait for that power boost as you just buy everything you need.

Chei is difficult to use correctly since speed is important but the boost in stats is very good if you know what you're doing and zin lets you shout and dudes to make them confused.

That's about it for hitdudes excluding lugnut.

>>152385426
Sif mama

>>152387194
To add onto this, Beogh is Yred for orcs.

>>152387194
Thanks for the writeup, anon.

>>152387572
No problem. Keep in mind you can roll any of the others if you know what you're doing but none are going to be as good for pure OTab as trog, oka, or makhy makh.

>>152385426
Ashenzari is great on any character that isn't invested in a ranged weapon, but most especially if you're looking to dabble in both magic and weapons.

Cheibriados functions a lot like Ashenzari, but you have to be mindful of the slowness and will want to pick up an arbalest at some point.

Fedhas gives you mushroom friends and various useful abilities, but falls off in extended. Haven't had much success with him personally but a lot of people seem to like him?

Gozag gives you a free potion petition (you won't need too many) and various good items, as well as easy running away thanks to distraction. Doesn't get along with spells or extra-hungry races for obvious reasons.

Kikubaaqudgha is surprisingly fantastic for fighters. Pretty much every character can make use of Corpse Rot, Regeneration, and Animate Dead. At 6* piety he lets you brand a weapon with Pain and increase its enchantment by +2, which is huge for fighters.

Makhleb gives you demon summons that make it nearly impossible to die early, as well as incredibly useful HP on kills.

Ru is well-suited to fighter-ish characters and offers some of the best abilities in the game.

Yredelemnul gives you a ton of undead mooks that just carry 3-rune games for you, but is kind of useless when going for 15-runes.

Zin gives you pseudo poison resistance, mutation resistance, and fantastic invocations for not getting yourself killed.

>>152386094
Found BOOTS OF RUNNING on Shoals:4. Getting the rune soon, and then I might just break into the slime:$ vault with LRD if I'm feeling frisky enough...

>>152382429
Nice homo

>>152388009
I think you need Shatter for that.

>>152388102
What are you talking about? Even a wand of digging works.

Search /lootBndt on Tvvitch.
You bastards should check this guy out, he's a quality content creator, but gets barelly any tvvitch vievvers.

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>>152388009

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>>152388578
>shilling your own twitch stream
>not even playing a roguelike
leave

>>152388458
Not before dunking TRJ

>>152388868
actually, I'm just a ass kissing butt buddy.

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Got through Vaults, now it's time for Tomb (but not today).

>>152387987

>>152387572

>>152389178
If you have a ring of fire or a ring of protfire you have actually really solid defenses/resists.

>>152385426
oka first then change to other gods later
it's silly to not start with oka for the items and trade late because his wrath is laughtable past v5

>>152388009
>fooled around near a merfolk javilineer
>ded

That's what I get for not being super careful.

Anybody want to see me try again on another random Wanderer?

>>152389868
yes

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Decisions, decisions
I got 9 points in spellcasting and earth magic, but i don't think that aquiring book/staff is a good idea. What do?

>>152390272
High Elf wanderer, apparently. Here we go.

>>152390376
Go weapon, you look like you could use one.

>>152390376
weapon or armor

>>152390605
>>152390376
>acquiring weapon as oger
giant clubs aren't exactly uncommon...

acq armor is guaranteed to give you something usable, which means prooobably a dragon armor (or troll leather/robe but hopefully not),

also what the fuck dont have 9 spellcasting 9 earth. earth is much more important than spellcasting to an EE

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>>152390605
>>152390918
>>152390971
Since the votes were equal i flipped a coin and god DAMN. I also have a clarity amulet so *confuse means nothing

I need all the MP i can get man, LRD isn't cheap. Also *Beware the hunger cost!*

>>152390579
>d:3 ijyb with lightning wand

My own fault though, I chose to engage knowing he might have it.

(I still find it super dumb that he can spawn with that)

>>152391216
See, I told you. weapon acq never lets you down.

>>152391232
Restarted. Demigod wanderer who started with a +2 quarterstaff. This should be exciting.

>>152391216
>gsc of speed
that's a good fuckin weapon

you're still overtraining spellcasting tho

>>152391335
>Hill Orc
>Axes 16
>no axes have spawned with so much as an enchantment, much less a brand
>nothing bigger than a waraxe either
>read acquirement
>ask for weapon
>get a randart bardiche

>>152391410
nice tab mashing

>>152388601
boomy?

>>152391652
Armor acquirement is worse and jewelry is worse than that.

>>152392131
>Armor acquirement is worse
arguably. If you only have a bunch of +0 gear, anything can be an improvement.
>jewelry is worse than that.
agreed

>>152391410
Don't worry, you're just fatigued from playing so carefully with the DEWn. Relax some, then start again when you've calmed down.

>>152392347
Yeah but when i have mildly decent weapons a weapon acquirement will usually net me something heavily enchanted and well branded if not a good artifact. If I have mildly decent armor it'll shit out something like a +2 hat of MR, something that probably isn't even worth carrying around. Jewelry will just shit out complete garbage.

>>152392131
>>152392347
>>152392550
Jewellery acquirement now has 65% or so chance to generate a randart.

>>152392772
With my luck with jewelry its probably some garbage like
>confuse
>corrode
>rC--
>+2 slay

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I am bored, someone get a game running so I can watch.

How do I into Ogre Mages? Their aptitudes for everything except spellcasting is atrocious. Are they just a meme? I saw Ogre mages in the game casting some powerful spells, and also it says in their description that they can make decent wizards, but actual gameplay doesn't reflect that at all.

>>152393384
You have to specialize in a single spell school and carry around a big fucking stick for when you run out of MP and the enemy is still alive

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Wait. What?

>>152393369
I'll take the robin for a spin on CAO

>>152393384
What sort of Og castinator did you see, and what do you want to play?

>>152393384
Go OgWz or OgSk, get a mace, and beat things over the head to kill them. Ogres are pretty bad at casting high-level and power-reliant spells due to their aptitudes, but they can get lots of low level utility spells through Spellcasting. Spectral Weapon, Regeneration, Apportation, Corpse Rot, Conjure Flame, Animate Dead, Repel Missiles, etc. are your friends. Don't bother trying to be a blaster, your (heavily enchanted) giant spiked club and large rocks are better than any attack magic.

>>152393384
Generally Ogre casters can't go far past casting level 6 spells since it's so expensive for them, and they usually get lower power than other casters since Spc will be their highest magic skill most of the time.

They are also heavily discouraged from going casting by their +3 HP, Fighting, and M&F apts as well as their ability to use GC and GSC, or DWhip/Eveningstar+Shield(with only 9 SH investment).

That said, they are great at getting a few decent buffs up and running and if you find any of the following spells, you should see if you can fit in getting the skills to learn them:

>Haste, Repel Missiles, Regeneration, Blink, Passage of Golubria, Summon Butterflies, Swiftness, Spectral Weapon, Apportation,
>Portal Projectile (if you are training throwing for large rocks), Ozocubo's Armour (if you are wearing a robe, Steam DA, or TLA)
If you specialize in one/two schools of magic you can get some pretty good work out of Necromancy or Conjurations+Element. Usually you want an enhancer and high INT for these to be viable though.

>>152393993
He could very well mean Ogre Mages, the monster.

>>152393384
To add onto these:
>>152396191
>>152396684
Ashenzari is a really good god if you want to cast spells as an Ogre, as she enhances all your skills and you will never want to unequip you GSC anyhow.

>>152396907
>she

Stop.

>>152396991
It's a roguelike, I'll imagine the gods however I like.
I bet you play tiles too.

>>152396991
>implying bondage waifu is a man

>>152354789
>>are you playing a caster
>no
>>then throw it into lava
?

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okay seriously how does this happen

>>152397258
Poison?

>>152397258
He was probably poisoned.

>>152397421
>>152397451
nyope.

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Funny, all my ogres die to something poison related
In this case, getting heavily poisoned three times in a row while quaffing curing, then getting bad RNG on both the wand roll, the spider's damage roll and my defenses roll
What a shame, that weapon really was something

it keeps happening

>>152399036
>speed unquaffed, blink unspent highest skill is earth with weapon of fifteen runes

>>152399036
Bugs tend to be susceptible to ?fear.

>>152399851
I'll keep that in mind for next time, every time i have to use a fear scroll for escape some enemies always resist it
>>152399771
I was killing death yaks without much trouble, this fucker ate three LRD without as much as a scratch, and then i had to keep quaffing !curing otherwise i would've died immediately since they're still faster. The blink scroll wasn't ID'd, and i started as an EE so of course earth would be the highest skill, even tho i was training fighting

>>152400343
>training fighting
Why though, as ogre you already have quite a lot of hp, I think best thing would be getting that monster to 1.0 delay rather than wasting exp to get 10 hp and 3 slaying.

>>152400668
still have to hit

>>152400775
weapon skill gives accuracy too

>>152400668
It was at 1.0 delay when i got it, got a couple more levels in M&F to get it to .7 delay. That hp and slightly higher dodge/to-hit is very good on an ogre
At least i had the pleasure of going heroism+finesse and swinging at the incredible hihg speed of 3 auts

>>152400668
There's no such thing as too much HP, and the HP you gain from Fighting as an Ogre is more than other races get.

>>152400853
>weapon skill gives accuracy too
Only unarmed, every other weapon is just the weapon accuracy

>>152400668
>>152401141
You also have to remember that HP is pretty much the only defense ogres have for a long time

>>152400668
Fighting HP bonus is multiplicative.
Ogres have 130% base HP.
Ogres have +3 HP apt.
GSC has really bad accuracy.
Fighting increases accuracy.
GSCs have a high base damage.
Ogres have high base strength and strength growth.
Strength damage bonus is multiplicative.
Fighting damage increase is multiplicative with strength, weapon skill, and base damage.
Ogres have +3 fighting apt and train it really high quickly.

Just a few reasons to train Fighting on an Ogre.

>>152348440
BORB

>>152401162
You're really incorrect here.

>>152401162
It gives damage and accuracy, while improving delay.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/248860/

Is this a roguelike?

>>152402815
no

>>152402815
>No Grinding - There is no XP in NEO Scavenger. No levelling-up. Instead, progress comes from learning how to play the game better, and using your strengths to your advantage

Nope

>>152402815
vanilla bagel is better

>>152402815
No

>>152403076
Speaking of which, does anybody have a torrent or something?

>>152402815
Of course it's a roguelike, it's a turn-based permadeath RPG with procedural maps.

>>152403836
But is it completely modular?

Is Qazlal a good god for a TeAE? Found him before the temple. I don't know if i want to risk not finding the another air book.

>>152402815
>Turn-Based Play
>Permadeath
>Semi-Random
>Abilities and Flaws - Choose abilities and flaws each time you play. Different combos unlock different abilities and quest branches.
>Hex-Based World Map

Yeah this is a roguelike.

>>152403987
If you are okay with fighting an entire floor with one bar of mana

>>152403987
Qazlal is good for literally anyone ever. Ignore the nonbelievers

>>152403539
Yea but you'll have to ask on the discord server because we can't post illegal content on 4chan

>>152404047
I have amulet of magic regeneration.

>>152404106
Unless you want to be stealthy.

>>152404261
I almost never train stealth unless i am a stabber or the race i am using is very adept at it, in which case i would be trying to build a stabber..

>>152403987
Are you ok with getting 20+ invo by the time you get 1 rune?

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>>152401162

>>152404617
>Implying
Not him but i've 3 runed a FoFi of qazlal with like 15 or 16 invo.

>>152404712
So this means unarmed accuracy only depends on fighting skill, and not unarmed combat? Or did you cut of the else branch?

>>152404712
So it either uses fighting or weapon?

http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

Watch me splat in my second time of Lair with this combo

>>152399036
>poison related
Fault related you shitplayer.

>>152375927
Im the 'the dumb akari poster'
Idk why are you mad.......

>>152393059
Yeah all the artifacts now are 3 goods things and 1 really bad thing.

>>152399036
>Didn't read fear
MAXIMUM OVERFAULT

How the hell are you supposed to win arena of blood with gargoyles confusing you? And where the fuck is the orb supposed to be?

Insider here
Torment is getting removed from everything except *lords and shadow fiends
Damnation is being buffed
Mummies gain greater smite (30-50dmg)

>>152406104
>Another game is already in progress with this save!
What

>>152407339
does "insider" mean "afks in dcss-dev irc"

>>152405038
If you are using a weapon, your chance to hit is partially based on a random number between your weapon skill and 100.

The Crawl devs appear to not have a problem with this.

>>152407339
source?

>>152407521
So fighting doesnt do shit to accuracy?

Friendly reminder that Makhleb is the greatest God of them all and the one true Lord of the orb.

>>152407568
My dad works at crawl

>>152407598
No, the chance to hit is also based partially on a random number between your fighting skill and 100, as the code snippet indicates. It appears that they are weighted equally.

>>152405036
yeah the code for unarmed is a little lower down
you also get a to-hit bonus for having claws

>>152405038
no it uses both

>>152408315
>>152408358
then what the fuck is wpn_skill != SK_Fighting

>>152408498
It's checking to make sure that the relevant weapon skill isn't fighting (since it should be m&f, polearms, etc). I'm not aware of that ever being the case for any weapon in the entire history of the game, although it's plausible that non-weapons like bread rations could fit in that category.

>>152402815
If it's a turn-based RPG where you control a single character with design emphasis on replayability, then yes.

Video just looks like a a sprite standing in the fucking rain comlaining though, so I have no idea what it's supposed to be.

I wish roguelikes would start updating to hex like other games though.

>>152403013
>what is brogue

>>152404712
>you can cheese xom by keeping your weapon skill at 0
Cool. I'll have to not try this out.

>>152408315
if the skill for your weapon is not fighting

you can see just above there that it already added the bonus from fighting

but if you're wielding e.g. a bread (which has "fighting" as its weapon skill instead of axes/maces/polearms/etc.) you don't get another bonus

>>152408315
>a random number between your fighting skill and 100
that's not what it does at all

it does (fighting * 100) / 100 with div_rand_round to deal with fractional skill

but eventually after all these bonuses are added up it rolls 1d(to-hit) versus 2dEV/2

>>152409083
it's a bit weird

xom is more interested by hitting things with a 0-skill dagger of elec than with a bread

>>152409153
> * 100 / 100
so its just...fighting?

>>152409334
with div_rand_round

so if you have 10.21 fighting it's 79% chance for 10 and 21% chance for 11

>>152407339
>Torment is getting removed from everything except *lords and shadow fiends
Why remove it from Tormentors then? Does it mean they're removed?

No dickery.

>tfw you start rushing and die
Why am I so stupid

>Pray at faded altar as a monk
>Yugi showers me in six decks
Makin' it rain

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=fabd5e008e9fe9e8d56a265cf5caff2cbca2c051
When will the removals stop

>>152414546
what the fuck? why? i always use that when the ammo can get destroyed, like if the enemy is on top of lava or deep water.

>>152414546
>tfw Chuck will no longer have large rocks of returning

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>>152414546
>When will the removals stop
Only when there's nothing left to remove.

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Hmm...
HMMMMM...

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So when you ascend with the orb, are you in perma-guts mode with the brand and all the demons are out to get your ass?

Trying to adjust to surface life must suck.

>>152415603
The demons wouldnt care if they could just kill you in your sleep in the outside world

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>>152415559
I swear the first to scream fault is going to get slapped

>>152415759
Using rng cards is a fault though
fighting gastronok is a fault too
not instantly readin tele is a fault too
as is not bombing him with everything you have

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>>152415759
Why does this game hate me
>>152415884
Fighting gastronok with those defenses and +10 fists isn't fault
Everything i have is cards, why do people get to be duel masters and i don't?

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>>152414959

First they came for the Gnomes, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a gnome-player.

Then they came for the Mountain Dwarves, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Mountain Dwarf player.

Then they came for the Sludge Elves, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Sludge Elf player.

Then they came for everything—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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>>152416052
This is just ridicolous
Everything that can go wrong is going wrong
What are the fucking odds of this

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>>152415759

smells like fault spirit

>>152414546
I could understand trimming the fat if the game was nearing completion, but not when the game is a constantly fluctuating pile of ass.

It really seems like they literally have quotas to fill.

>>152416148
Why is everyone always crying about shitty dwarves but not lava orcs and djinns which were actual unique races

>>152416267
Pretty high given that you're standing in the map's largest area.

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>>152416052
>topdeck, desperately praying for something useful
>It is Famine
kekkest of tops

>>152416390
because those were too recent for nostalgiafags to jerk off over

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Read tele, i guess he got bored since he shot me for half my hp in damage. Not even that mad
>>152416343

>>152415759
>>152416267
>>152416052
Not instantly reading tele the moment a FUCKING SHARD SHRIKE appears as XL 9 is fault though.

>>152416762
He took pity on you and went for the mercy kill.

>>152416986
I was expecting to die the first turn, would've died before the tele procced anyway if i hadn't gotten the tele trap

>>152416390

They were never actually added in.

Trust me, I would've fucking LOVED to have an efreet to play as.

>>152416390
I fucking loved lava orc for my OTabbing ass. Made everything easy mode for a long time. But they were never added to an full stable release so there is less love for them.

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Poor brother of the mountainhomes, drink away your sadness.
round 5 lernaean hydra is bullshit that i only dealed with through demon spam

>>152415603
THICC SERAPHIM

>>152416390
because they're memelords looking for attention. rip djinn

>>152402815
It may be a roguelike, but is it actually fun?

Why do you guys dislike ADOM?

>>152420573
Pretty linear and scummy

What's the last feature or mechanic that was removed and a time later put back?
I mean they consider putting back things if it makes sense, right? right?

>>152420653
mimics

>>152420307
>rip djinn

He was never added in officially. Why say rest in piece?

Also, add him in, fucking DCSS devs. He was an amazing idea.

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Is spirit supposed to just keep your mana at zero as DD?

Are hexes still dog shit useless after mid?

>>152421053
No
You just need to know whats suspectible and whats not

>>152420961
It says so right there on the screen.

>>152420770
>stable

>>152421732
>no horse race which is just a man and definitely not a horse

>>152420573
Just post about it here anyway, fuck the haters

>>152421053
Loaded question, they were never dog shit

>>152420573
the whole thing

>>152422236

So they were just useless?

>>152422474
>train hexes
>have a 25% chance to slightly debilitate a monster

You could just cast a buff on yourself, and it would work against every enemy, with no chance of resistance.

>>152422626

Well, yeah. Every playthrough I've had with hexes, I was thinking "why the fuck am I not training charms instead?

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>electricity used to have cool synergy with water+flight
Why would you remove this?
for that matter, flight used to be electricity immunity

>>152422907
It was too hard for players to remember that flight => rElec.

>>152420256
I was really disappointed when I discovered that thunderdome removes friendly fedhasplants at the beginning of each round

>>152424010
I've nearly given up on trying to do thunderdome as a non qazlal or non minotaur. I'm trying to do all the sprints because each of them teach something useful.

>>152424173
i did it as the boringest dumbest combo: trbe

just hold tab until win

I barely even used bros actually. Probably would've been better as a Tr^Oka

How much evocation is enough to start using crystal ball safely?

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oh wow