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Remember The Fallen Edition

old thread: >>151844398
permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then all the Career Agent missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

>Read the /eog/ pastebin: http://pastebin.com/ser9Acpg

>Focus Group Logs: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/

Future:
>Winter: drilling platforms
>Fall: industrial arrays, barge visuals, AOE BOOST/LINK REWORK, Rorqual rework
>Oct 28: Eve Vegas
>Sep 12: CSM 11 first summit

Past:
>Aug 13: https://soundcloud.com/orangeeagle/wh-csm-townhall-13aug2016
>Aug 09: Citadel contracts, damage/repping visuals, DX11 clouds performance boost, cargo notifications
>Jul 26: AT prizes announced (blood raider variations)
>Jul 23: Goons moving to Delve, SMA alliance closes
>Jul 19: Broski enters QFC, Rote super salty
>Jul 18: Billboards submissions open
>Jul 07: AT 14 rule changes: 10 players, no cap-transfer, no jumpdessies, blood raider ships encouraged
>Jun 29: "Shadow of the Serpent" event began, serp capitals introduced
>Jun 28: Citadel trading, tactical overlay vectors, new implants, legal drugs, NSA nerfs, triage/seige/bastion give ECM immunity, mass fitting tool
>Jun 23: RIP SP dailies
>May 31: RIP old camera, new multi-use analyzers introduced
>May 30: RIP Dust 514 (long live Project Nova)
>May 12: Name ships automatically with a saved fit name
>May 06: Eve Online 13th Anniversary
>Apr 27: Citadels & cap rebalance released. Tears, bugs, etc. RIP rolling yachts.
>Apr 21: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm-11-election-results/
>Mar 09: Massive mod tiercides that broke a lot of fits.
>Feb 09: SP trading
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>old thread archives while i'm thinking about what clever way to start the crosslink post
oops
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Can the citadel reprocess thingy reprocess loot?
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OFFICIAL LIST OF WORST TYPES OF PLAYERS IN EVE:

1. Nullsec botters/ratters/mission runners
2. Highsec botters/ratters/mission runners
3. Nullbabby napfest blobbers
4. Lowsec 'elite' link-alt slave set pvpers
5. 'hisec pvp'
6. Miners
7. Industrialists
8. Traders
9. Scammers

9001. Honorabru solo roamers

90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

900001. C5-6 WH pvpers
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Daily reminder to join inri.
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Admit it. EVE with quick capital accessibility would be the game's main feature. EVE has a rep for being an easy pace, and maneuvering a big ship with super powerful abilities would be reason enough to make ISK and enjoy the game.

>tidi
The jump fatigue patch already exists.

>why capitals instead of frigates
It's not just about capitals, but that's potentially a huge niche. Sure, I guess you could just make EVE F2P, as those games are making huge amounts of money, but the point is appealing to demographics that come to the game to actually play instead of leveling up their Raven, realizing they have nothing else trained, and unsubbing.
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who?
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>she doesn't know
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>>152103808
Can get i5 and i7 laptops on ebay for like $100.

>>152096470
>EVE
>not a fun space flight MMO
Feathering OP.
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>>152109883
Stop posting.
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Not an argument.
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>some shitter unsubs
Good
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Admit it. EVE with no isk would be the game's main feature.

If every ship was free to everyone at all times, there would be reason enough to enjoy the game.
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Admit it. EVE without ship loss would be the game's main feature.

If ships wouldn't be permanently gone and instead just ported to your home station after destruction, flying ships without any risk whatsoever would be reason enough to enjoy the game.
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Admit it. EVE without players would be the game's main feature.

If there were no players, the sandbox could continue uninterrupted by humans.
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Admit it. EVE without multiplayer features would be the game's main feature.

If everyone had their own instance to play offline, there would be reason enough to enjoy the game.
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Eve without Eve would be the games main feature


Cause it's trash
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>>152110432
This.

>muh veteran bonus
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i just put fucking salt in my tea
what the fuck
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So... so this is nullsec life
just ratting nonstop for hours
saving up enough isk to pay for my sub 100s of times over
but never using anything

the occassional fleet ping where we just blob.... and that's it...

fuck me i'm bored
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>>152111385
take your semi 3-4 semi competent mates with you and go roam.

stop being a faggot.
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>>152111385
Then create your own content lazy faggot.
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Are Brutors niggers?
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ebin
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>>152110965
It would take months to get a certain ship made.
You would seriously need to multiboxing at least 50 pilots alts for manufacturing, scanning, logi, dps, industry, logistics and all to achieve current low tier incursions in a year or two.
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>>152111620
>>152111761
>samefagging
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>she thinks we are same
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>>152100589
>Don't mix ammo.
Why Anon? Isn't having EM damage missiles for shields and explosive damage for armor/hull a good idea?
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>>152111552
>>152111539
>roam
>get batphoned
>get blopped
>whelp
oh gee, fun
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>1488mm quad artillery
Why is it not allowed to put a diferent ammunition per tube per turret?
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truly ebin
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>>152112176
Not how resists/hp work and more work even when it rarely does if you have to pay attention to the targets hp and constantly switch/turn off for just 2 seconds of extra time.
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Artillery and autocannon projectiles should have travel time.
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Haven't played since 2012
was mostly minmatar shit, small gang/lowsec pvp

What's the meta like right now? what are my best bets for small gang / solo with most of my sp in projectile and minmatar?
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Lux ammo when
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All missiles should deal area of effect damage.
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>>152112192
So don't fly stupidly slow ships that get blobbed that easily.
Not even gonna reply after this one, your clearly baiting, I know your type.
If your gonna fight back so much on having fun then don't have fun.
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>>152112674
Don't missiles deal area of effect damage already?
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Lasers should have the best tracking but deal less damage the further the target is
Hybrids should deal all four damage types at the same time
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resistance penetrating ammunition
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groundhog day
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Corax buffs when?
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>>152112937
>Hybrids should deal all four damage types at the same time
They can already choose between any damage type with different ammo types, something lasers cannot do. I think hybrids are good where they're at.

Why would lasers have better tracking and deal less damage at range? It should be the opposite. Lasers powerful enough to melt a ship's hull in seconds would require an absurd amount of power and the construction of such a focusing device would be quite large even considering possible future technology. Laser arrays would be slow to slew around, cumbersome, and in all likelihood require some kind of brief charge-up before firing.

Hybrids on the other hand such as railguns are simply firing a projectile at a target so the firing chamber should be able to slew and track targets pretty efficiently, but still slower than simple unpowered projectile weaponry.
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>rerolled because I haven't played in over five years and literally do not remember anything
I made a space Asian and might focus on drone combat for any combat I might do.
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>she doesn't know about the inverse square law
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>>152113560
Yesterday was my first day back in EVE since 2010-2011 and I'm continuing my character. If I had to start all over from scratch (thought about doing that) I'd go crazy! It's so nice being able to buy a new battlecruiser and have the skills to fiddle with it and find a good fitting.

Because of my existing surplus of combat skills I'm now free to experiment with mining too, which I've never done before.
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>>152113792
Eh I'm not upset about rerolling, the time invested in the character doesn't bug me since it was so long ago. At least I have like half a billion isk to throw at my new guy though.
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>>152113720
Except with ultra-powerful lasers in space firing in short bursts or beams for at most a second at a time the inverse square law is much less noticeable. Obviously you're going to lose some light radiation power at your target if it's far away, but this is already modeled in the game with damage falloff and optimal range.
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>>152114161
don't forget that you can extract your skill points and transfer them to the new toon, or sell them for ~400m per 500k skill points
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What do you guys think of this Drake fitting to use as a basis for my PvE Drake?
https://o.smium.org/loadout/83219
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>osmium
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>>152115158
it will be fine
but prepare for boredom
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>>152114297
Shit, thanks man.
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>>152115915
I'm open to suggestions anon.
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>>152116365
snek
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>>152116535
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>>152106296
Why is my face being used as the OP
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It's going to be sat on
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>>152112192
>complains about no content
>complains about content
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>>152119690
What is?
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she is going to sit on her face
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>>152119038
bcus ur dead
and dead people are allowed to be the op
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Wow... Is it just the time of day or is /eog/ always this dead?
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>>152123867
>middle of the night
>hurr durr why is /eog/ dead
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What's a good ship to solo pvp in null? I want to keep it Battlecruiser and below, because a BS is just asking to get blobbed.

I'm thinking a Cyclone
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>>152124670
orthrus
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>>152124761
I'd rather not be a faggot
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>>152124589
The world is not flat.
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>>152124589
>not being australian
u a rite cunt m8
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>>152125327
>>152125343
its the middle of the night in the part of the world that matters

>>152125149
too late friendo
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>>152124670
Stratios
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>>152123595
I am dead.
Will you guys have a funeral for me?

For real though, I want to come back. But between a new job and depression, playing eve is fucking hard
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>put up a buy order for a ship I'm gonna flip
>days later
>nobody buys it
>well within the average price for it
>well within the average quantity sold
>i will never become rich off just station trading
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>>152126945
that is not how you market
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>>152127160
Teach me how to market

I have very little capital to work with

Yes I adjust my orders if that's what you're gonna say
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>>152127406
>Yes I adjust my orders
Stop.
Buy orders at the dip of market fluctuation.
Sell orders at the peak.

You need a lot of capital and orders but payoff is very high.
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>>152127758
I got 129 orders available, wholesale 5 is gonna pop in 10 days.

I'll keep what you said in mind, thanks.
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How much Isk do you guys have?
I currently have 3b liquid about 15b in assets although I've spent about 80b on injectors.

I currently make about 300m a day without going too autistic.
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>>152129585
I only got 150 mil liquid, no clue about my assets as I can't appraise them while I'm away from the game.
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>>152126840
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005761/
LOOK HOW ACTIVE WE ARE
JUST LOG IN AND JOIN FLEET WHEN TIM OR NOOT IS ON
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inb4 the same 5 guys post dogs and memes for 600 posts. Weak and lame attempts to stir up the thread for visibility and not acknowledging the root of toxicity is their behaviour in game.
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>>152132663
holy shit, that activity
I think I'm just daunted with all the periphery shit you have to get going in order to do anything in eve.

Have to get 6 fucking programs up and running, some inside and some outside
It's just a hassle, and I'm just tired
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>>152134635
People in whitestag get carried by motivated people.

Now finding a corp of nothing but motivated people?
Thats a blessing.
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>>152134635
>all the periphery shit you have to get going in order to do anything in eve.

All you need is

>EFT or other fitting tool
>siggy (if you live in WHs)
>comms of choice for jolly coop

People who need anything else are playing eve wrong.
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>siggy
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>>152134635
discord and siggy are two things i have set to run @ startup (too lazy to siggy ingame) and i even keep all discord pings muted

t. alliance ceo
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>she needs third-party shit to just play eve
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no one actually find she posting funny it just makes you look like a basement dwelling retard
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What is the player given name for when people warp in neutral, fly up on you then switch Corps to one you're at war with? Normally they get "kicked" outta that corp and then not log on for like 2 days so the grace period for you to attack them is over.

I've been referring to it as "Russian Roulette" since the only people in the games I've seen do it have been Russians so far. I figured it probably had an actual name amongst the EVE community though.
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>>152136502
what did she mean by this?
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>>152136502
>t. basement dwelling retard
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>>152136502
>she is a basement dwelling retard
really makes you think
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>>152137918
someone please shop this to say "Make Amarr Great Again"
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>>152136502
>she posting
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>she still uses the wrong pronouns
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>new executioner model
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>>152137971
4 u
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http://imgur.com/a/BetVA
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>>152138215
Ayy, thanks mussah
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>>152138436
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>>152118732
Scorpion Navy Issue
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What is page 10?
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join tengoo
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>Tengoo
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>Tengoo
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>>152134917
>All you need is
>EFT or other fitting tool
What does EFT really do for you? What benefit does it provide?
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>>152141509
>What benefit does it provide?

It allows you to view and test fits, and does so better than the in-game fitting. You can make fit mockups without actually buying anything, which you can't do in-game.

The in-game fitting screen also doesn't tell you some stats, i.e. if you're cap stable with a cap booster or nos running.
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>>152109883
Proof?
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>Pyfa
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>that feel when no jamyl to cuddle next to and worship all morning.
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>In terms of gender, the Federation experiences equality at all levels, with plenty of national leaders of all stripes representing both sexes. However, there is some reason to believe that women may be more in control in the Federation, perhaps even more elevated, than the men. The “extremely confident” Gallentean women are known to be hard workers, vibrant and models of self-empowerment, with no jobs or occupations barred based on their gender. This lifestyle has influenced Jin-Mei women in particular, who were subject to patriarchal dominance for a long-time before the arrival of the Gallenteans. They are risk-takers, keenly receptive to cultural change and were the ones to “carry forward the beacon of equal opportunity”. Moreover, a disproportionate number of the Intaki's more notable artists are women. For men in Federal society, with no need to assert themselves, they are not as vibrant and lively as the women, some rather laid-back, especially Jin-Mei men. With plenty of female political, military and corporate leaders, the theory that women are more in control is not totally unwarranted, especially given their status as being far more motivated than their male counterparts.
>tfw forever gallente male
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>>152142731
I think they should re-write this, because it's retarded
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I just downloaded EFT but I can't figure out how to input my character skills to create a new fitting. How do you use this tool?
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>>152143249
open the character editor
create a new character
press the button with the green thing on it
click the link at the bottom
type in a name on the web page
press submit at the bottom
put the key id and verification code into the box in the window in eft

I'm not sure if it stays up to date with new skills you train
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>eft
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gallente literally space-cucks
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>>152143442
What did she mean by this?
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>>152143249
you dont tecchnically need to import your character in order to start making fits. Just search for a ship name in the search box eg "drake" and double click on the ship that shows up down in the results box. You can use an "All 5s" character preset in EFT if you dont want to bother importing.
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>>152143420
>I'm not sure if it stays up to date with new skills you train
It doesn't seem to. I have to re-import every now and then. Might be a bug?
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>>152143952
just get pyfa its better senpai
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>just get pyfa

Don't listen to this guy, it's a common trickster meme to get newbies to use it.
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>>152144201
No, have fun though. I once destroyed an entire alliance by unanchoring a pos, giv results.
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>she is an eftard
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>>152144594
better an eftard than a pyfaggot
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>she isn't a pyfriend
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Alright how do I get started on this Drake setup for PvE? Not sure what systems to go for. I know I should focus on shields, but that's about all I know.
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>the shefag is a pyfa shitter

Like that wasn't obvious.
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>>152144398
Proof
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>>152144730
you're doing it wrong already. the drake has a bonus to heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles
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>>152144730
see
>>152115158
Downgrade mods to meta versions if you lack skills to fit them
Also, you should probably not use tech 2 rigs at all until you know you need them, they cost alot and can't be removed to re-sell if you change your mind.
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>>152144919
You Gota keep your cool man, my anxiety use to be triggered by this game but you Gota stay focused if some weird off Timezone guy logs in.
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>>152144862
I'm starting with level 2 missions where I'll be fighting destroyers and frigates. Am I wrong in assuming rapid fire light missiles will actually do more damage compared to heavies to those small targets?
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>>152145163
I'd use a caracal for that desu. There's simply no need for the retarded tank of a Drake in lvl2s.
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>>152144201
Keep in mind that they can see who was last online when, so they may be able to trace it back to you if you're in a small corp.
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>>152145261
I already own the Drake, and it'd be nice to keep the same ship for level 3 missions and just swap the missile launchers to heavies. Am I retarded or just lazy?

>>152145059
Is there any way to check meta levels in EFT? If I can't fit tech II modules it'd be nice to know what comes next for a given module.
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>>15214522
If the notification doesn't include your name you could just do your heist and keep your char logged in till downtime and it might make it harder to track. I don't really have any pos experience besides setting one up once and destroying one.
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>>152145375
Meta mods require the same skills as T1 mods.
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>>152145431
Yeah I know, but there are usually modules between meta 1-4 for T1. It'd be nice to know what is next in line below the T2 module.

For example of I can't fit a T2 10mm afterburner it'd be nice to know which of the "upgraded" T1 modules is the higher meta level.
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>>152145375
>Am I retarded or just lazy?
This probably works fine. However the drake is ultra-slow, Caracal is a much faster ship. (There might be ship restrictions in missions too, but i might be wrong, it was a long time since i last did lvl2s.) But try it out and see if it works. It's not like you'll explode with that tank...
>Is there any way to check meta levels in EFT?
I can't find a way. You have to check it ingame. Also, be ware that EFT also lists utra-rare meta mods that don't drop any more, and therefore are expensive.

I made this caracal fit, it's probably shit, but it's a starting point. Beware that rapid light launchers have super long reload times, this might be annoying in PVE.
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I also hope your awoxing any no.gf Corp
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>>152145557
Meta levels don't work like that anymore after the module tiericide. At least not for the lower meta levels (below T2).

Instead, these meta mods now have specific attributes, for example modules with "compact" in their name have reduced CPU/PG requirements, others ("enduring" or whatever, I can't remember) give a bonus to a particular attribute of the module.
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>>152145959
I just noticed, don't use tech 2 MWDs (they're shit), and you DON'T need rigs at all.
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So judging from the attributes here, the left afterburner is superior in every way right? It's odd because that's also the cheapest one.
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>>152146149
Enduring uses less cap, which on an afterburner is pretty irrelevant honestly.

Compact requires less CPU/PG (check the fitting tab). This often matters a fuckton more on frigates because you'll often run out of either CPU or PG.

There should also be another variant with 135% maximum velocity bonus but I can't remember the name.
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>>152146295
Other than the tech 2 I'm currently training for (done in under a day) these are the only 10NM afterburners I see.
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>>152146430
It's possible. Might be thinking of faction afterburners giving 135%.
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>>152146149
There's a Compare-tool, show info -> variations -> button at the bottom.
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>>152146591
Oh shiiiit this will help me so much, thanks for pointing out what is surely obvious to most! This must be new. I don't remember this feature from 2010.
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Are there any fcs who browse dog? I kind of want to take a fleet about but I'm worried about it being boring and we get no kills and disappointing people or no one joining my fleet.
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>>152145163
you kind of are, because pve frigates and destroyers aren't like proper ones

anyway for such easy shit in a big ship, any kind of buffer tank should be enough, like a large extender and a couple of invulns or something. put 2 ballistic controls and 2 guidance enhancers in your lows I guess
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>>152147841
I fc 5-20 people roams sometimes. make sure you try to do it at a good time, when people are on. if you're providing ships, make sure you have shit for everyone, and if you aren't providing ships, make sure there's a good chance people will have things that can be useful

I don't know how to tell you to get kills. make sure you have a good pilot doing forward scouting in a good tackle ship. if you're doing null make sure you have some kind of bubbler as well
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>>152147841
Join RvB.

You can FC, let your entire fleet die in a fire and no one will give a shit.
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>>152147841
Best to take a good FC with you or a good scout, preferably both, or generally somebody who knows what the fuck hes doing so he can always chime in the moment you're doing something retarded, at least in the beggining, a 'funny' guy is necessary as well, keeps the spirits high.

you are the funny guy, right?
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I just put together an EFT fitting for my Drake and imported it into the game. Awesome that you can just "auto-buy" everything you put together in EFT, very useful!

Now I have 2x Drakes though. I didn't realize EFT also imported the ship itself into the fitting.

Welp what should I do with this second Drake?
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>>152149841
Armor buffer ECM drake.
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>>152149841
Self destruct
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>>152149841
right click sell
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>>152148629
I'll take this to mind, Ty senpai
>>152148829
I though rvb died ages ago
>>152149102
Don't see why you need to be the funny one, I'm quite on Comms because I have real life friend and I don't really care to forge friendships that much.
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Holy shit, why are there so many people saying "send me ISK and I'll return with double"? Do people actually send them ISK?
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>>152150123
>I though rvb died ages ago
Yeah that's why they're flying in the Alliance Tournament this year anon.
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>>152150205
the idea with this meme is people send small amounts of isk and the scammer returns them. but then when larger amounts get sent, the scammer doesn't return them. or the victims think they have some way of playing the scammer
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>>152150205
Yeah and people do double it, a noticble example of a Isk doubler is 'dude weed LMAO' I risked 250m and got 500m back easy money. It isn't instant though because they need to invest the money to get a return, takes a week max.
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>>152150205
Try sending them 30 mil isk. You will get 60 mil back. So he's legit, a naive anon would think, and he sends 200 mil. He doesn't get 400 mil back this time though.

See how this thing works?
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>>152150386
>>152150415
Fair enough, but it's basically just a gamble whether or not you'll see a return right?
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Do any of you run Eve on a laptop?
Going back to uni and want to start playing again, don't have room for a desktop.
Just wondering if it runs well
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If I do missions for a security agent working for a corporation called Perkone in Caldari space does that increase my Caldari reputation? Not sure how this rep system works.
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>>152150559
yeah. think of it more of a game the scammer and participants play, rather than just spamming a scam contract and waiting for someone to press accept. nobody is going to send an isk doubler 50 mil out of nowhere, they'll do small amounts first, you have to play the game with them and take risk
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The new Slasher is pretty cute.
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>>152150559
I know dude weed offers a guanteed return on your investment if it doesn't make a profit, if it does you get double. Either way you can't lose and the Isk doublers who use it as a platform to get some start up funds for investments (think loans in Eve). There's no way they would risk their rep to scam someone.
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>>152150807
is that on test
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>>152150807
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT REEEEEEEEEE WTF CCP THAT LOOKS HORRIBLE
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>>152150880
Yeah.

New Slasher, Bantam, Griffin, Maulus, Executioner and Probe models.
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>create new character
>send a few hundred mil from your main
>send 25 mil isk to every isk doubler in jita, following the rules in their bio
>walk out with about 150% of your initial investment
>biomass
>repeat with new character a few days later
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>>152151000
I've seen the executioner, I think it's a downgrade. maulus is ok, but it's already a really nice model so it was unnecessary. others are probably good choices. not sure if I want them to do a breacher remodel
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>tfw slasher looks actually good now
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>>152151000
>Executioner
Yeah because that one needed a redesign for some reason

Also didn't maulus get one fairly recently?
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So what is the difference between a catgirl and a wolfgirl and how does this affect my docking experience in a caldari station?
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>>152150656
Eve will run on anything if you turn the settings down enough.
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>>152151000
Post them m8.
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I feel like I've seen this before
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>>152151196
Tfw eve running on a this
specs:

AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-86 2.4GHz processor
3GB DDR2 RAM
160GB hard drive
Mobility Radeon HD 3200 IGP

And still getting 30fps
Outside jita
Fucking ancient Icelandic magic
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>complete one level 2 security mission and get 250K ISK total from contract
>next mission gives me a million
I'm okay with this progression.
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wasn't this made by that reddit guy who joined ccp or something

seems cool anyway
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Did they redesign the kestrel also?
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it's a probing frigate but it's not a heron or helios

>>152151725
no
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I use the purity of the throne skin, milady

not sure why there's shadows being cast on the model in the preview window

the blue things rotate which is cool, but other than that it just looks too chunky imo, downgrade
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>>152151809
Show the vherokior skin.
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Can you DD Orcas?
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no complaints, except that they could've remodelled something ugly instead

that blue light thing at the bottom goes like knight rider
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>>152152095
boring tier. looks kind of green inside station where the lights are real bright
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not sure about slasher-chan. would prefer if she was longer. still kind of cute though. the wings go flat in warp
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>>152151196
My laptop is a piece of shit that crashes if it has Word and Powerpoint open at the same time. Doubt it would run EVE.
Need a new one but wondering what the cheapest thing I can get away with is.
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>>152152673
You can run eve on anything as long as it actually works, your laptop sounds fucked though.
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>executioner

why make it look worse?
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With a rapid light missile launcher on a Drake how many missiles should I keep in my hold?
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MAKE EVERYTHING SHARP AND EDGY
NO CURVES ALLOWED
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Tfw get down voted on /r/eve and ignored on /vg/
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>>152153108
I bought 500 Scourge missiles and ran out before I even completed one mission. Granted, that one mission had waves and waves and waves of reinforcements.
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>>152152763
It's honestly terrible. Was looking for a new one anyway, might as well get one that can run Eve.
If you're sure it'll run on anything, I'll just get something for about £200.
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>>152153108
1k of every flavor doesn't hurt
>>
>Drake
>Rapid light missile launchers
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>>152153372
Eve isn't a new game, it won't look nice but it will run.
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post the super ugly lowres screenshots
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>>152153760
>>
Punisher third midslot when?
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>>152153497
Doesn't more damage than Ham because application
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>>152153989
Never because foodie thinks the punisher will become too much like the tormentor despite the fact that the executioner has the same bonus as the tormentor
>>
Retribution third midslot when?
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>>152153989
when it actually needs a third midslot
>>
Every ship in EVE should have at least three midslots
>>
I increase the number of lows by 1 on every ship.
Add 9th slots, add more calibration or tweak the rigs.
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>More PLEX sales
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why
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Gotta keep it around 1b.
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>>152155590
Tuck one away for a rainy day.
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>Amarr
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>>152155946
>malediction lite
Not that I'm complaining but why does a T1 ship get the signature look of a T2.
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>small ancillary armor repairer
>4.2m
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>>152150807
>>152151461
>>152151636
>>152151809
>>152152072
>>152152228
>>152152389
>>152152553
>>152155946

They are clearly building up to the thrasher redesign. Get ready for a shitshow.
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>>152156093
kys t2babby, khanid is ugly anyway. t1 amarr unskinned is master race
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>>152156220
fuck you i like it
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>>152156235
>having this shit taste
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>>152156220
literally thrash

>>152156347
m8, get your shit taste out of here
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>all these autistics refusing change
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>>152156456
>fuck colour
>muh edgy black

your shit taste
>>
>that one guy who likes black and white edgy kid skin more than golden patrician colours
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>>152156561
Amarr T2 is beautiful black/white.

Kind of like you being cucked by Tyrone.
>>
>It's ok that CCP is focusing on things that don't need fixing

Thanks Fozzie.
>>
>haha guys white gold so religion in spaec xd
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>>152156669
amarr t2 is shit. t1 is tasteful. you probably want to fag up the game with edgy black or ridiculous gold skins for everything

and I can't believe you just called me a cuck, what the fuck man take it back
>>
>xd

r/eve visits again
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>le fozzie argument
truly ebin
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>black color is edgy
i love this meme
>>
>le
>ebin

Not an argument.
>>
>>152156787
>ridiculous gold skins
You mean like T1 amarr ships?
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>>152156997
they aren't ridiculous gold. they have some gold bits on them
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>>152156997
No, that would be the imperial issue ships.
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>hurr uh t2 iz bad becuz black
>what is viziam
>what is sarum
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>>152157321
all of those are shit m8, nobody argued otherwise
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>hey anon we need help tackling this super, hop in that onyx and come with us
>NOOO ONYX IS BLACK AND THAT MEANS IS EDGY AND IM NOT EDGY IM MATURE AND REFINED ADULT WAAH WAAH
>>
>muh sarum
>>
>>152154053
>Doesn't more damage than Ham because application
What?
>>
>>152157498
>devoter
>bad
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>gets told that x skin is ugly
>posts reddit memes and spergs in caps

Every time.
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>>152155769
>>152155590
I have 5 PLEX and I don't even remember buying any.
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>hics
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>>152157794
It's mine, give it back.
>>
it's good that ccp are actually doing remodels though, even if some of them are shit
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>>152157756
>gets revealed to be an autistic underage pretending to be mature
>hurr ur just reddit
>>
>>152157989
Agreed. It'll never happen but I want the Raven design to change a bit. Currently it doesn't really even resemble a spacecraft. Just has tons of spikes and asymmetrical weirdness going on. I guess it's supposed to have huge comms antennas or something, idk.
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>in the future, everything will be boxy and covered in hard planar lines with no curves

Why, thank you modern eve art design team.
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>>152158239
fuck you i like it
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>>152158234
raven was redesigned not long ago, and it's kawaii as fuck
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>>152158404
>bridge/cockpit recessed behind huge antenna thing but still in front of the hull
>starboard has large sideways V shaped pylons with various antennae attached
>massive antenna thing stretching very far in front of the hull, antenna so huge it's part of the hull and yet it's not even a recon or command ship
>port side also has large antenna sticking out front, but here it's less severe
>port pylon/engine nacelle actually look normal
Really it's just the starboard side of the ship that's fucked up. The hull, engines, cockpit area, and port side look good.
>>
Symmetry in all EVE ships when? Asymmetry in vehicles/planes/boats/ships is fucking disgusting
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>>152158828
there's nothing wrong with any of that, you just have asperger's or something
>>
>>152158081
but I'm not the one posting reddit memes and sperging in caps m8.

>underage
>eve
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>>152158828
Daily reminder that the old raven skin was even worse looking
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>>152158828
I want it to look more like the Golem with the V-Pylons which level off and the same bridge at the front. Also those retarded spikes need to go on the right pylon thing, just ruins the entire raven.
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>>152161297
I also dont mind that long antenna coming from the right side. Slight asymmetry looks good if done right.
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>>152161297
if you think this looks better than raven you should kys
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>>152160347
I choose everage
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>>152161297
Holy shit that looks 100x better than >>152158404, I now want a Golum.
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>>152164581
kys
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>>152162650
Opinion disregarded. Its a fact that the golem looks better.

>>152164581
It looks cool but its not a fun ship to fly. Its only practical use is PvE and even then its not fun to use. Otto Von Bismarck made a good pvp vid with it. You should check it out.
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>golem looks better

more like I disregarded your mom last night, kys
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>>152165904
>>152164801
>>152162650
>>152158946
samefag
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>>152165904
It's pretty clear you don't know how 4chan works so you could do this entire thread a favour and either stop posting and just read the other posts or you could get yourself a real set of insults and while you are at it you could type "Kill yourself" instead of kys and burn a few calories you fat, neckbearded, fedora wearing, basement dwelling virgin.
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>quotefags on r/eog
>>
>fag
>>
Who are you quoting?
>>
Why go on r/eog when you can come to the real thread and contribite to its autism?
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not plate rep
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>>152167798
>There are people that unironically visit reddit, at all, ever.

Traitors need to die.
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>>152169695
This desu
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>>152169695
in b4 that one r/eve fag starts shitposting at this again
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>>152169695
I admit sometimes I even go to the eve subreddit if I want to ask a question or help out some newbies by giving them answers. There's a lot of circlejerking on reddit because of the retarded comment voting system, but often 4chan is just as retarded.
>>
>she is a redditress
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>>152169949
>I even go to the eve subreddit if I want to ask a question or help out some newbies by giving them answers.

I don't want an answer if its not from my familia. I don't give a fuck about newbies if they aren't from my familia. Its us vs them, them being the entirety of EVE online and the internet.
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>he
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>small gang forms up
>somebody asks if he can bring his svipul
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>>152171879
That's when I ban him from the corp and have some russian send him a ton of money so he gets banned for RMT.
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>remodel the executioner
>not the rupture
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>>152173148
Nobody cares about the shitmatar. Least of all foozie.
>>
>shitmatar
>either completely shit or overpowered
>>
>you can be the fleet's overpowered webbing bitch or you can be trash
>>
How do I make my lif not be dogshit?
>>
>>152173816
By getting an apostle
>>
>>152173816
active shield tank with remote armour reps, valklear glory skin
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>>152173884
You got a fit? I can't get anything like the tank of any of the others out of the bastard thing.

Never should have converted my nags.
>>
>>152174046
I don't, it has that minmatar lowslots problem pretty bad, there's not really anything good to put in them. I'd guess your mids would be something like 2 capital cap boosters 1 shield booster 2 invulns 1 em
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>>152174367
The others tank 15k without issue. The lif tanks like 5 at best. I just can't figure this fucking thing out, and I'm stuck with three of them.
>>
>>152174892
are you sure that's with triage, I think mine said 22k or so
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>>152175140
...Boy, do I look stupid.

14k with t1 triage, and all of two whole remote reppers.

ccplz.
>>
>>152108769
Probably
>>
>devs implement SP dailies
How do we make the game ez going for new players, learning curve not included?
>>
>>152177101
by not letting them start in highsec, but npc nullsec
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>>152177191
Nah, be nice to them.

Lowsec, bubblecamps on starter stations would be cruel.
>>
>>152177191
Everyone would bubble the shit out of it.

You would force CCP to make these nullsec starterzones just like the highsec ones where you aren't allowed to attack new players.

That's going to bring a clusterfuck of support tickets.
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>>152177349
>>152177456

Let them each start in a random wh system instead. With scanning skills in a scanning ship.
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>>152129585
>I've spent about 80b on injectors
If you don't have like 120M SP by now, you would've been better off on the bazaar.
>>
>>152177590
Nah, scanning is bullshit. I'm an '09 and I can barely fucking do it.
>>
>>152136763
>What is the player given name for when people warp in neutral, fly up on you then switch Corps to one you're at war with?
Doesn't a character have to be docked to quit a corp?
>>
>>152177778
They're not quitting, they're joining. And no, you don't.
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>>152177778
You need to be in your capsule
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>wormholes
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>>152177708
its actually simple m8
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>>152178151
So am I
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>Going to start playing again
>Not played since April 2015
Should I start fresh or just keep going on my old character?
>>
>>152178389
well do you want to have more sp and assets, or less sp and assets
>>
>>152178389
How many skillpoints does your current character have?
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>>152178507
No idea, probably not much. Played for a few months last year, that's all.
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>>152178641
Unless you fucked up your character bigtime (no assets, used up all remaps to max out charisma), or you don't like its name, it's never worth to reroll.
You can still do whatever you want, but you start with more things.
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>>152178937
yeah or if you have tengoo in your employment history
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWZ_9dX-_0c
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>>152180386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeTWVru1qc
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>>152180386
better not be unique to the stiletto
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>>152152673
There are really nice laptops on ebay for like $100.
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>>152180386
the ship shouldn't be combat ready or be able to warp till the animation finishes
>>
>>152153372
You are going to make a huge mistake if you buy a computer just to run EVE.

EVE requirements are like super low, you are going to buy a piece of shit and fuck yourself when you will try another game or program.

Do yourself a favor and save up to buy yourself an actual computer. No less than $500.
>>
>>152180386
whats the fuckin point

its too fucking long for a frigate, it needs to be way more subtle, they're only in warp for a short time
>>
It's a free weekend lads
is that why all the people are resubbing?
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>>152178389
Definitely keep your character unless you literally cannot stand your character name.
>>
confirming the slasher's wings only go flat, but the stiletto and claw's fold out in front like in the video

fuck ccp, m-muh slasher
>>
>>152181412
You still get to fly an x-wing, friend.
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>>152154531
The frig meta is completely based around webs and scrams.
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>
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>>152181607
you mean the 1v1 novice plex meta
>>
Reminder that using entosis mechanics for FW would solve the warp stabbed carebear issue.
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hey symmetry fags, how do you feel about this crusader gun placement
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>>152181668
>implying the bubble on gate meta matters
>>
>>152157989
Why wouldn't they just keep both models like a SKIN?
>>
>>152182060
you can do a frigate gang in lowsec
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>>152182082
Or they could not change the model at all and just slap some nicer textures on it. No need to change something flawless at all.
>>
hey webmfag if you're here make a thing of the cheetah's warp animation, it's nice. the panels all fold up
>>
>>152177590
How would they get free ships from WHs?
>>
>>152181668
No thats pretty much any frig fleet.

Almost every frig fleet is going to have its frigs equipped with webs and scrams.
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>>152182463
>what do we want, 10 webs and scrams, or 5 webs and scrams with almost double the tank

if you seriously believe a frig gang means everyone scram kites everyone else like a load of 1v1s happening at the same time, you must be pretty retarded
>>
>>152177101
>devs implement SP dailies
What's SP and what are dailies?
>>
>>152182681
>everyone scram kites
no one said this, but multiple webs and scrams are pretty much every go to module for midslots

You sure as hell aren't going to be putting extremely cap and CPU intensive shit on your merlins like adaptive invulns

All of your armor ships are going to use their mids for a prop, scram, and web

all of your shield ships are going to allocate 3 of their 4 mids to a prop, web, and scram. ships with 3 mids but still doing a shield tank will most likely not have a web regardless and use their third mid as a MSE
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>>152182907
beyond a certain number of people, more tackle becomes much less useful than damage and tank
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>>152181372
Isn't that the steam-only shit that's actually a trial rebranded?
>>
>>152183056
hardly, but for typical frig fleet numbers, 10-20 lets say, its going to revolve around approach with prop, web, scram, apply DPS, orbit at 500m while either relying on buffer to survive or have logi provide support
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>>152182463
Punishers are great in a fleet, come back when you know what you're talking about
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>>152183178
Please stay out of my fleets, you're terrible.
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>>152183256
>umm my garbage slow ass frig with 2 mids is gonna participate in fleet
anything the punisher can do, the executioner does better especially tackle
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>>152183178
you can do whatever fleet size you like, but for 15 yeah I'd take the punishers over whatever alternative. as long as you can get say 3 webs and 3 scrams you're good

>orbit at 500m

punishers can do top tier beams, so it's more like hang out at 5-8km if you're fighting other frigs

you should compare the tank and resists, punishers just shit on everything
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>orbit
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>>152153372
>>152181061
Or you could just get a used Dell, pull all this shit form it onto some plexiglass, and get a $100 rx 460.
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>>152183384
>he didn't agree with me
>oh man I don't have an argument
>p-p-p-please stay out of my fleet!
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>>152183401
>punisher shits on everything
except putting a web on a target
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>>152181372
>>152183086
>it's not even anywhere on the front page of Steam
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>>152183384
>especially tackle

that's the only thing an executioner does better

>>152183661
>I can't read
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>>152183401
>punishers
except having decent damage:tank ratio.
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>>152183761
>punisher
>slow as fuck
>a stupid amount of PG you have no fucking clue what to do with
>4 guns that it really didn't need
>2 mids for totally not webbing shit down because it can't do that
>can't do an active tank because no third mid for a cap booster or something
>no utility like the executioner
>AB? say hi to 900m/s
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>>152183893
their damage is good, unless you're a retarded faggot who thinks range has no value and doesn't factor it

>>152183901
>wow it's 1% slower than some other frigs
>pls give me less guns ccp
>pls take away my powergrid also
>logis don't rep me I have an active tank
>fitting afterburner unironically

utility highs on frigs don't really mean shit btw
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>>152181668
>>152182463
>>152182681
>>152183056
>>152183178
>10-20
>typical fleet numbers
Morel like 5-8. Most corps aren't the few that can field 15 pilots, not that those which can do anyway.
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>>152184152
>>wow it's 1% slower than some other frigs
most other frigs break 1000-1100+ thats way more than 1% its 10-20%+
>less guns
3 guns was more than enough when it had a damage bonus, now people do stupid shit because theres little reason to use the lasers over shit like autocannons or other weapons

It has excessive PG it never needed, why did CCP give it such a wicked amount of PG when it really needs CPU.

>logi
I was referencing any sort of active tank is completely out of the question because cap was such shit especially if you pair it with lasers

>umm don't fit an AB because it doesn't count because I said so
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>>152184363
it is not 10-20% slower than equivalent ships, check the numbers out

3 guns with a damage bonus is less damage than 4 guns. autocannons do shit dps only retards use them on a punisher

it's not excessive pg if you want to use real modules like mwd and beam lasers

if you fit ab in fleet you should kys, it's just trash 1v1 novice babby shit, your fleet turns into useless impractical turds if you don't have mwd
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>>152184579
>it is not 10-20% slower than equivalent ships, check the numbers out

AB Punisher maxes out at barely 900m/s with trimarks and a 400mm plate like they're typically fit. You really wonder why people screamed that the punisher was such garbage because it was SO slow and had NO mids to use a web to actually hold someone down whether it be in 1v1 or elsewhere. Like I said anything the punisher did was overshadowed by another ship that had so much more ability between utility, mids and agility and speed. The punisher has useless features that don't help it compete in ANY of these ways at all

While other ships are doing circles around the punisher the only thing the punisher brings to the field is "I can tank" which is great and all but can it do anything else? no.

Other frigs with similar set ups are WAY faster

>umm if you disagree with me just kys because I don't have an argument
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>>152184973
>it has enough fitting for a 400mm plate and no ancils, which means it's slow lol

you can't fit all that shit and then complain about it. it is not slow unless you choose to fit it that way

people screamed about it being garbage because they're just 1v1 afterburner retards who don't know shit, kind of like you

no frigate outshines the punisher for frigate gang brawls, they cannot tank for shit compared to it, and even if you pretend they fully apply their muh blasters dps, which they don't, it doesn't make up for their shitty hp and resists

it's gangs, how do you not get this. you don't need 20 webs

and again afterburners are garbage, you're basically gimping your entire fleet so you can counter 1 web from 1 enemy ship. just face it, the enemy primary will be many times webbed, to the point where your afterburners make no difference. and for that you go as slow as a battleship all the time because you didn't fit a real prop mod
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x caracal
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>>152185657
>you can't fit all that shit and then complain about it.
never said it had a hard time fitting, I said it had excessive PG it really didn't need and not enough CPU which it ACTUALLY did.

>its not slow I swear
the other slowest frig equivalent is the merlin which clocks in at over 1000m/s because armor is slow shit and shield is way faster because lol no speed and agility penalties.

>they're just garbage
k thanks for knowing nothing about why the punisher is the LEAST flied frig in the game.
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You guys should get a real frig. Like the retribution.
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>>152186057
>even SLOWER ship
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>>152186096
It's so everybody can see you fly by, m8.
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>not flying the violator
Absolutely Caldari
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>>152185816
>k thanks for knowing nothing about why the punisher is the LEAST flied frig in the game.

you

>never said it had a hard time fitting, I said it had excessive PG it really didn't need and not enough CPU which it ACTUALLY did.

you said it's slow, and that's because it has good fitting and can use a big plate and 3 armour rigs, while other armour frigs cannot. if you don't value tank at all, and you don't seem to, maybe you shouldn't fit this much stuff. it's not actually slow. fitted, it's faster than a tristan. it's faster than a tormentor. it's about 3% slower than an incursus. this is why you should kill yourself, you don't know shit
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>>152186350
>you said it's slow, and that's because it has good fitting


>Lol guys its slow because it has a lot of PG

>big plate
tons of frigs can easily fit the 400mm plate, its 35pg its really not that much.

>umm you don't know shit because look at these erroneously cherry picked shit I would never consider putting a 400mm or trimarks onto to begin with.
k

People bitched about the punisher (and retribution, dragoon, and coercer) for years because their lack of mids made them the least used ships of many frigs and destroyers of their kinds. You really wonder why people WANTED the third mid but CCP foozie thinks to ignore everything that the players ask for and instead does some of the most useless shit giving it a 4th gun, 5th low and NO third mid it really needed. They gave it like 4 extra CPU to get the 4th gun on except all the lasers use way more CPU than fucking 4. They then gave it 15 extra PG it never needed and now its got the most PG of any frig to the point you can do stupid shit like double 400mm plated 10mn AB punishers. Thats how fucking much it has.

You should really unsubscribe, sounds like you don't know fuck all about the ship trying to shoe horn it into a role that every other combat frig in a fleet does explicitly better.
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The real question is why frigs have such awful cap. There's no point in a turret system if the class of ship can't fit it. Same with artillery.
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>>152186804
>The real question is why frigs have such awful cap.
the proportion of cap usage to cap regen is really bad on frigs. This same phenomenon happens to battleships and capitalships where the modules they need to use have extremely high cap requirements and their normal cap regen is garbo.
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>>152186685
>tons of frigs can easily fit the 400mm plate

ab trash fits detected

if you don't agree with why I think you're saying a punisher is slow, feel free to explain yourself, because it's faster than 2/3s of its equivalents

>trying to shoe horn it into a role that every other combat frig in a fleet does explicitly better.

this is literally you, and the shitters you speak for. the punisher is really great in frigate gangs, but you're upset because it's not good at 1v1 afterburner babby duels

>double 400mm plated 10mn AB

who cares, it doesn't have actual guns fitted. if you fit mwd and beams, its fitting is about right. maybe a hair more cpu would be helpful, but it's extremely strong even with minimum cpu mods fitted

>retribution

it's an af, who cares. it would be useless trash even with a free extra midslot

>dragoon

2 mids is fine. the target is capped out, you don't need to counter web them

>coercer

this ship is really strong, get good
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>>152186804
>Warp Disruptor II

you could've used an attack frigate, or you could've pulsed your mwd. t1 frigates have very easy capacitor. nice shitfits btw
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>>152187413
>ab trash fits detected
>it doesn't count because I said so

>if you don't agree with me you're trash because I said so, also if you don't subscribe to my dumb rhetoric about these cherry picked ships I fit in obfuscating and abstract ways because I said so

>the punisher is really great in frig gangs
you really wonder why NO one uses it, because its shit, slow, lack luster, no mids, useless features. I don't get why you can't get this, its the least used frigate for a reason and you're pushing it into one stupid niche that no one does regardless. Can't even remember the last time I saw a punisher that wasn't some solo fit or a cyno frig.

>who cares

Oh yea gotta disregard that shit because it defeats your narrative.

>2 mids is fine
except for everything to do with webs, cap boosters and utility. Mids are the most valuable utility of all slots. Its why the omen is shit in the face of the thorax because the thorax has a 4th mid.

>its strong because I said so
no cap, no mids can't do shit, the algos is better
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Admit it. EVE without veterans would be the game's main feature.

If there were no players older than a year, a sense of wonderment and curiosity would return to the new players and there would be reason to enjoy the game.
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>>152187891
They should start a new server, where everyone would have to start from 0
Like ladder seasons in Path of Exile
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>>152186804
Wow! A cap dependent frigate has bad cap when you load it with cap intensive mods? An outstounding discovery!
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>>152187804
I already explained in an earlier post why afterburners are awful

>cherry picked

I compared it to the other armour combat frigates because they are its equivalents. should I compare it to a crusader instead

>you really wonder why NO one uses it

ad populum huh, so you ran out of "arguments"

>narrative

literally what narrative are you talking about? do you even know what this means

>its strong because I said so

no it's strong because it does massive dps. algos cannot kill things fast like a coercer or catalyst can. it will win more babby duels, but it cannot gank and get out

>Mids are the most valuable utility of all slots

>sorry I just got you guys all killed in that brawl
>if only we had less tank and more midslots for webs we would've won
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>>152187891
There is no Eve without persistent universe
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>>152188102
This kills eve.

Veterans won't want to start over and eve is already known as a spreadsheet simulator/notoriously hard to get into game. You won't have a playerbase worth a shit on a new server.
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m8s what if you got a plate rep omen instead
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>Not dual nano shield omen
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m8s what if you put 8 civilian guns on an abaddon instead
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>not a arty vagabond
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arty punisher
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>>152188797
>not arty abaddon
Nobody expects it.
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>>152188376
>I compared it to the other armour combat frigates
No you threw 400mm plates and trimarks on ships that don't typically run them at all, then complained and said "see they're as bad as the punisher" as if thats any consolation.
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>>152188961
200 actually, and armour rigs don't change them relatively

the ship you're complaining about being slow is as fast or faster than the ships you think are not slow
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>not duel repping you punisher
What are you, gay?
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What is the highest alpha subcap? I assume it would be something with 1400s
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>>152189178
memenado
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>>152189178
a tornado with 4 gyros and 8, 1400mm artillery II's
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>>152189178
polarized 1400mm with resistance penetrating ammo
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>>152189178
polarized machariel
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>>152189307
>Tfw we will never have polarized 1400s for maximum mems
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>>152187705
Umm, excuse?

>you could've used an attack frigate
That's not a rebuttal.

>you could've pulsed your mwd
The whole meta is being edited for range. BCs got buffs. Cruisers are Caracals Online. Frigates are all that's stuck with 8km range, if that, or no-dmg/no-cap.
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it is a rebuttal
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>>152188243
It has 2 mediums. There aren't any mods. Plus, the repairer isn't even counted.
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>>152189589
yes it is. they have like -90% cap usage on tackle mods, and that warp disruptor is what's using up all your cap. this is by design, ccp wanted warp disruptors to be cap intensive for frigates

>The whole meta is being edited

I feel like I'm talking to a retard. anyway shouldn't you be asking for all this range stuff to be fixed, rather than there being more of it?

and you can kite with a non-attack frigate anyway, you just can't turn on all your mods and go afk, you just need to be very slightly less shit. t1 cruisers like caracals are not cap stable mwding and tackling btw, if that makes any difference to you
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>>152189669
Post a similar fit from an AF, then.
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>redesign ships
>make them all look way worse

thanks
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>>152189948
>ccp wanted warp disruptors to be cap intensive for frigates
Now that's just retarded. Virtually the only thing a frigate will contribute in a fight involving larger ships is tackle or ewar.
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>>152189948
>shouldn't you be asking for all this range stuff to be fixed, rather than there being more of it?
Why the fuck would I ask for every ship above frigates to be fixed if they're in line, but frigates aren't?
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>>152190523
cap intensive doesn't mean impossible, it just means you have to make more of an effort or fitting investment. it's not retarded at all, because back before rapid cancer online and retarded 800 dps gilas and 999 km linked webs everywhere, it could be kind of tricky to catch a frigate long pointing you. so if it's long pointing you and mwding, it's probably not doing much else involving cap
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Really, there should be an ammo switch hotkey. Maybe that alleviate the shitty frigate meta.
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>>152189295
Mach, actually. But yeah
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>>152190718
good shitpost
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>>152191053
>hurr
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>>152191095
you
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>svipul in line with anything
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The svipul is in line with the orthrus.
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Garmurs can kill hurricanes
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>>152191992
this meme still troubles me. 1 hurricane cannot kill 1 garmur
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>>152192138
that's true for pretty much any ship that can control the field
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https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/766402095440420865?lang=en
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>>152194950
...a covert ops with a corpse bay?
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>>152194950
dank
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>>152194950
ebic
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>>152194950
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>>152197946
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>>152180386
>literally S-Foils
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>>152197113
How much damage is that representing?

If there's no greentext story I'll be disappointed.
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>>152199891
I don't remember, sorry. probably involved being singled out for being a strong independent battleship, and then sneaking out with mjd

raven-chan is alive and well, need to take her out again and take loads of screenshots to spam r/eog/ with
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Could someone please recommend me a good ship and fit for ratting guristas?

I have a shitty catalyst, but I can't even complete one belt before getting to structure. Anything stronger than that?

I want to try staying under 50 mil ISK.
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>>152201664
Do you want a ship to use or do you want to understand what ship to use?
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>>152201664

i'm confused as to what you actually want
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>>152201664
Vexor, then Vexor navy
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>>152201945
The second option.

I am a noob, and I want to get better at this stuff.

>>152202178
gurista pirates primarily use missiles with EM/Thermal damage, right? I want to be able to take on 5-10 high level guristas at once without taking huge amounts of damage. My current ship is a catalyst destroyer, but it's not good enough. I am looking for recommendations on better ships to use, considering I have no idea how to fit anything bigger than a destroyer properly.

>>152202491
Don't you have to use drones with that?
Are drones any good? I've never used them before, and don't have any drone skills either
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>>152202637
>Are drones any good?
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>>152106296
one of my old accounts has a full faction fit nightmare, a full faction fit machariel, and 70something million SP in pure combat

that shit worth anything these days? been quite a while since I last played

have they done anything cool with wormhole space or tech3 shit yet?

>>152201664
7ish years ago I used an AB blarpy for gurista ratting in deep null, passive shield fit

AB blaster inty would probably do the trick as well

or just go "fuck small ships" and take a BC out
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>>152203051
s-sorry
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>>152202637
you will want to use an oversized afterburner fitted vexor tanking specifically kinetc and thermal damage.

the speed of the afterburner should allow you to avoid most incoming damage and any that does leak through will be absorbed by your resists.

guristas do around 80% kinetic damage and 20% thermal

you can use either thermal drones (Hobgoblin, Hammerhead, Ogre) or kinetic drones (Hornet, Vespa, Wasp)

if you want to use railguns look into those too since they deal primarily kin/therm damage
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>>152203106
>>152202637
Vexors are great drone platforms. Drones can be extremely useful in all situations if you are willing to put some skill points there. Hobgoblin IIs are on almost all of my ships.

What empire tech are you focusing on? Are you flying Gallente or what?
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>>152203085
>interceptor
>harpy
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have the skills to fly those, and especially not a battlecruiser. A small cruiser is probably the most I can afford.

>>152203225
OK, thanks for the info. I'll learn more about drones, but I have a lot more experience with railguns right now.

>>152203348
I am mostly focusing on caldari ships right now, with hybrid turrets.

Which skills should I train to get good with drone fights?
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>>152203728
>I am mostly focusing on caldari ships right now, with hybrid turrets.
To add to this, I'm also going to spend time on other empires' ships, but caldari is what i have the most skills in, so far.
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>>152201664
90% of a ship's effectiveness is it's setup. a catalyst can clear belts if it's not shitfit. I mean it's not an effective ship for pve or anything, but going down your road it's very easy to end up with a completely trash fitted battleship or battlecruiser that will get laughed at by everyone
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>>152202637

guristas are kin/therm

vexor navy issue with 100mn afterburner is what you'll want

drone boats are your best bet for pve currently
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>>152203728
>>152203869
if you're going to stick to caldari ships, train missiles and shields ASAP

if you're going to switch around and drop into gallente for pve, get your drone and armor skills up - focus on medium drones, get them to tech2 ASAP
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>tfw still no caldari navy ships with hybrids
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>tfw no caldari navy rokh
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>>152204856
I thought there was a smaller navy ship focusing on turrets, but maybe not.
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>>152205269
griffin navy issue is the only one
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From the wiki:
>You can also equip your DNI with HAMs for a 100+ DPS increase at the expense of half your range, half your tank, and 10,000 EHP.

Why would using HAMs affect your tank and effective health?
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>>152206008
HAMs are fitting-intensive, you probably literally can't afford to fit as heavy of a tank
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>Caldari Battlecruiser skill bonus per level:
>5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile explosion radius
Does that mean it decreases the explosion radius since that increases damage? I hope it doesn't increase the radius since that'd lower damage to destroyers and frigates.
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>>152206323

increases, it helps with damage on small targets due to their speed
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>>152206231
Okay that makes sense. Just to clarify, heavy assault missiles are the same size as heavy missiles, but deal more damage at closer range, right? Would they be any more effective than heavy missiles at taking out light craft like frigates?
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>>152206563
Everything I have read has said the opposite. According to the wiki and other posters, to get maximum damage on small targets you ideally want a small explosion radius but a large explosion velocity on missiles.
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>>152206787

that makes no sense
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>>152202637
Is this the resubbed guy?
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>>152206787
Yes, you are right, the bonus decreases expl. radius. Ignore that other moron
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>>152206924
Have you ever looked it up? Apparently a larger explosion radius is less powerful against a smaller ship because the small ship only receives a small portion of the explosive force. Think of the explosion as a bubble and the small ship is only partially inside the bubble.
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>>152206787
You want your explosion radius to be equal or bigger than your opponents signature radius in order to deal maximum damage. Painters help this by increasing your targets sig radius.
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>>152206596
HAMs and Heavy Missiles are both medium-size weapons, yes. HAMs deal a bit more raw damage and have a much faster rate of fire, but their explosion radius makes them a bit less effective against smaller targets, and the furthest you can get them to fly on a non-t2 ship is about 25km, whereas Heavy Missiles can easily hit 60-80km.

A HAM sacrilege is hella fun though.

>>152207741
equal to or smaller than the opponent's sig radius, dingus
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>>152207876
Silly me. Fraudean slip (or however its spelled) in text form
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What do you think? In a couple days sell?
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>>152207581
I recently posted about resubbing and logging in for the first time since 2010-2011 and that dude isn't me. Why, whats up?
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>>152208127
Dont count on it. CCP just did a 10% off all PLEX packages. So its gonna go down due to mass selling I think
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Ah not the same guy I talked to yesterday then. Just ignore me im retarded
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>>152208272
Is that sale still going on? Was it an ISK discount or real money discount?
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>>152208127
>plex are up to 1b again
Wow, didn't expect to see that happen.
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>>152208489
Real money and it started with the eve free weekend today.
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amarr
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>mfw Maow Maow still giving bounty payments even when unsubbed
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What effective standing do I need with an agent to unlock the next level of agent? These level 2 missions aren't paying much.
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>>152208127
You won't hit the peak so don't even "hope" for it, just wait till the profit hits an acceptable point and sell. Yeah you might not gain as much but you didn't "lose" anything.
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what the fuck is a Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II BPC w/ 2 runs worth?

how can i figure out what my hacking BPCs are worth?
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>>152212173
Nothing really

Battleships wouldn't waste rig slots on those kinds of rigs
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>>152212054
I don't even remember buying these things, so I'm not really worried about min/maxing profits. I was just going through station storage for my character I haven't played since 2010 and found five PLEX.
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>
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Thinking about future ships eog

What would a Sisters fax look like. I have a strong desire to put shite art stills to use for fun.
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>>152216596
Sort of like a partial saucer. slightly oblong.
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>Blood raider ships will get corpse bays

Thank dog I didn't waste my isk building a vehement.
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>>152217069
>I still have something like 400,000 corpses in a giant secure container in the ass end of syndicate

please tell me it gets a buff based on how many you're carrying around
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>>152217848

You forgot to read the OP freindarino.

>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)

So...no.

I will however hold hope for future drifter/sleeper player controlled ships with supermassive corpse bays.
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>>152216596

Something like this with a fatter structure.
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>tfw roaming in a battleship with links
>tfw blobbed
>tfw still escape
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I heard there has been some changes to FW lvl 4 mission running recently?

Like 5-6 months ago I used to blitz FW lvl4 missions in a stealth bomber, getting 300m/hr or so.

Has this been nerfed? I heard people saying they added webbing frigates that travel 3.5k/ms now.

Would have to re-level minmatar standing to try the missions again and find out myself, so would prefer to know if it was even worth it
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soo is the Gnosis actually worth looking into?
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>>152227054
>FW lvl 4 mission running
What's FW?
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>>152227151

factional warfare
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>>152227242
Oh, I thought faction warfare was PvP, so I have no idea. Sorry Anon but I'm not into PvP.
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>>152227276

FW missions are pve, you just kill some rats in low sec
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>>152227329
Oh well silly me then. Is incursions the PvP thing they introduced a while back? I remember they made something to introduce players to PvP.
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>>152227151
What is this meme?
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whats triumvirate like
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>>152227054
The web frigs are unreal it's been nerfed to shit
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whats the best blockade runner
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What's the comfiest Eve activity and why is it ice mining?
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>>152229929
>Ice Mining
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>>152230631
Top meta shield extender for reduced dig and no 1% implant maybe?
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Why do I still play this game?
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/r/ing the gif of someone animating lewd using the character portrait taker.
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>>152231047
I'd probably drop the locus coordinator for a shield rig
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>not hunting with maowmaow
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>dog.png
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>specialdoggo.jpg
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>>152231047
>top meta

no such thing
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>>152240567
Technically there is
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>eve is STILL down

I have fucking market orders to take care of reeeeeeEEEEEEEEE
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>>152243418
>there are market traders on /dog/
Absolutely haram
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This is your wakeup call. Pleas play with your nipples.

Next up, meta discussion.
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>>152244029
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>>152244341
His point on the RLML caracal is pretty stupid. You can tank it just fine in a cruiser until it goes into reload unless you have an absolute shitfit.
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>>152244341
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/dog/

What do you guys think is the biggest issue with the new player experience?
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>>152244996
Falling into the trap called 'mining' or 'missions'
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>>152244341
>maller
>bad

wat

and the opinions about the omen are incorrect. it can't fit heavy pulses, but you shouldn't want to fit heavy pulses, focused medium beams are better. unironically wanting your amarr ships to just be babby scorch meme shit is kys
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>>152244341
He keeps meme'ing that the RLML shits all over everything else.

So maybe they should fix that, rather than everything else.
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>>152244996
>biggest issue with the new player experience?

Having dreams and thinking they can do something they always wanted in this game (like landing on planets or being a space industrialist or something).

The game needs to tell people what it's about early. It needs to point to other players and say: "Hey, this is actual gameplay, no you can't be a bountyhunter."
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>fixing rmlr

Just remove them and actually improve hams and hml.

Fozzie will never admit to his shit ideas though.
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>>152245232
you don't need to improve hams or hml, they're fine
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>hml
>fine

m8, just because your mission boat does with them doesn't mean they're not bad
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>>152244996 Here

>>152245045
I can agree with that. Mining needs a change. Either making it a more active job or just removing it in general.

>>152245195
Yeah when I started I said to myself "Im gonna be a bouty hunter and kill bad guys" Now after 2 years I realise what a retarded ambition it is.
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you could explain why they are bad if you like

imo ccp buffed long range medium guns way too much
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>>152245478
Not him but they're not THAT bad.

Everyone's just used to RLML being OP as shit.
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>>152245567
They're worse than any medium sized weapon system, if that's not bad then I don't know what is.
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>>152245487
Be a mercenary and ask for your employer to pay per killmail rather than a flat fee. It's the closest thing to the bounty hunter profession.
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>>152245695
I do pvp with my corp now and its more enjoyable Imo. I tried being a mercenary and I found it to be pretty shit.
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>mfw being a merc in eve means ganking shitters in highsec
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>>152245879
My corp is being hired to shit on some lowsec cucks I just found out. So I guess I am a merc...
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>>152245757
Oh I have no doubt about that. Just saying that you sort of can be a bountyhunter if you really really want to. Just not via ingame mechanics.

Kind of makes you think how CCP fails to implement a system for one of the most popular professions.

I mean literally all they would have to do is create a private contract mechanic where you set a player target, and maybe a minimum amount of isk killed in order to complete it.
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Speaking about highsec mercs, are those citadels near jita dead yet? I heard they were under siege and the owner was looking for defense mercs.
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>>152246071
Thats actually a pretty clever mechanic. Send an E-mail to CCP suggesting it, maybe they can give a retarded answer or just say "Thanks for the suggestion, we will get back to you on that" and never get back to you because they are busy making a shit sov system
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>>152246224
People have come up with very well-thought out bounty hunter mechanics. Most are even posted on the forums in the features and ideas or whatever that section is called.

CCP doesn't give a shit. Here's +50 hull and -0.01 inertia for your rifter instead.
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make the rifter great again
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>>152246314
"But CCP why dont we focus on the new player experience and make that better? That would get more players into the game and would help to both diversify the community and get you more revenue."

CCP-"We are working on some changes but for the mean time have some re-modelled t1 frigs and some skins which cost $15"

2 months later they release the opportunities.

Those opportunities are fucking hopeless and dont teach players how to do anything.
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>>152246508
>there's an ""opportunity"" for getting blown up
>there's an ""opportunity"" for getting podded
Why not make one for getting scammed or stuff stolen out of your corp hangar while you're at it.
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>not making opportunities solely based around elite honorabru solo pvp
>dunk a svipul in a rifter
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>>152246607
I made a new toon and found there is an opportunity for turning the camera? Do CCP think that all new players THAT braindead?
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>>152246659
>check killmail
>3 sebos, no prop
>3 scan res rigs
>shitty ammo type loaded

every time
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>>152246732
The SP system doesn't rapport with the pace of learning. Undermining initiative is the worst thing a game can provide.
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>>152246732
they are though.

somebody link that officer fit gank video, the one where they talk on comms about a lawsuit.
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What is /dog/'s favourite meme fit?
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>>152246952
polarized machariel
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>>152246898
>A lawsuit against CCP

for what?
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>>152244996

>>152246891
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>>152247247
Right gotcha
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>>152244996
Watering down the SP system is the biggest cause so far. Especially considering that many people view buying SP is p2w, so they don't sub because of that.
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Reminder not to reply to no-SP fag
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>>152247865
Not a helpful post.
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>make new toon
>do level 1 quest with starting items
>get ganked by an orca
>socket closes
what a shit game
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>>152247991
Neither is complaining about SP.
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>>152247865
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EVE 2: The Reopening when? Without the silly SP mechanic of course
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>>152248040
A fucking orca
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>>152248198
When the gaming industry gets its shit together.

So never ever.
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>>152248087
Somebody is asking about the new player experience.
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There is no new player experience
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Because there are no new players
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>>152248341
Get fucked.
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>new player experience
>being manipulated into believing that space jews have their best interest in mind by allowing limitless cap alts for vets
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>>152248374
lol he mad
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>>152248279
Yeah I did ask about the new player experience but SP is not the issue at all. The SP system is fine its not that hard to get your head around and buying SP is clearly not p2w because if you buy your way to a carrier and dont know how to fit or fly one well then its a waste of sp and money. The issue is CCP not making any good tutorials or introduction system. Hence why many players dont carry on playing when they try it.
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>>152248040
Thats what you get for doing missions
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>tfw rapid launchers still not deleted
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>>152248427
>CCP gets the money from 5 cap alts
>ISK redistribution from all the market flow to produce caps (as if)
Win win.

>>152248458
The economy is pretty awful, shown in how the gaming market is completely saturating F2P and not staying with sub games. Finding another paywall that is SP can't be helpful for popularity. Players pay to experience their fantasies, not be told that they can't.
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>my corp members now in space
>implying I'm not watching your every move my friend
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>>152248461
>>152248723
>>>/aco/790917
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>>152248825
>established groups getting more power
>newbies unable to ever catch up because they're not invested into the game at all and discouraged to try from the get go due to autistic richfags

I see through your tricks, merchant.
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>>152248825
But SP is not a paywall never going to be one. Take your autism back to r/eve thanks
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>>152248783
>foozie here, next up we're introducing rapid fire small hybrid, projectile and laser turrets. We feel the rapid light launchers are in a very good place and would like to bring the other weapons systems in line with them
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>>152249015
the sad thing is I can see him doing that thinking it's a great idea
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>>152249015
RIP frigates
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Faction ammo is a paywall.
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>>152249015
We already have rapid fire hybrid, laser amd projectile systems Fozzie. Blasters, Autocannons and pulses. Stop changing things and go complain to Seagul about something irrelevant already
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>anyone being upset about the frig and svipul metal being gone
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>>152249130
are you completely retarded or merely pretending?
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>>152248941
>newbies unable to ever catch up
How is a single pilot having a single titan not catching up? If it isn't, how would that be any different from now?

They can't be invested in a game that doesn't let them do what they would.

>>152248983
>SP is not a paywall
It is. You pay the sub or more to get gameplay.
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>>152249143
Svipul meta is not gone and never will because it is horrifically unbalanced
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>>152249185
It's true you faggot.
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>>152249108
frigates are already rip
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>>152249130
>we already have rapid fire missile system Foozie Heavy assault missiles
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>>152249252
they're called rockets you cumguzzling cockmongler
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If you are going to remove SP altogether you're going to need to compensate the players with an isk reimbursement for their skillpoints.

Do you want several hundred if not thousands trillions of isk to flood the market, faggot?
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>tfw no rapid 280mm arty
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>>152249410
Why? They're getting something, not losing it.
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>>152249185

Merely pretending my fellow faggot

Pic related
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>>152249193
>how is a single pilot whos denied to take sovnull due to a massive amount of people with unlimited amout of cap alts not catching up

m8 we all know you want even more easy access alts for yourself
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>>152249442
You think players are going to let their billions in assets go like that without a fight?

How fucking naive are you
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>>152249410
And what will they replace it with? Its hard to find or create something which isnt a grind or boring. And just letting everyone fly everything straight away is completely retarded.
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>>152249586
>any corp holding more null than they can actively support in the face of wanding

>>152249601
>billions in assets
What does SP have to do with their assets, except for injectors and extractors?
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>yfw myriads of brutor gank alts in highsec with max dps skills
>we're improving your new player experience, senpai don't be upset
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>>152249695
>except for injectors and extractors
Nigger do you have any idea how many SP get injected and extracted?

You can't just waive that and say tough shit we're removing your investment a few months after introducing it.
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>>152249647
>letting everyone fly everything straight away is completely retarded
Baseless conclusion.
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>yfw all the svipul complainers are faggots in drakes
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>>152249695
>corps not being able to hold more null with unlimited cap alts
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Why don't we give everyone 100% ship and module insurance while we're at it.

That's a real barrier to new players as well, losing assets.
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>>152249716
>paid support fleets becomes a thing

>as if anybody gives a shit about gankers anyway

>>152249780
They can. The open-ended gameplay would be phenomenal.

>>152249827
They would have to actively support the systems.
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Okay, lads

What is the absolute FASTEST POSSIBLE FIT, for under 50 mil isk?

fuck tank and cargo space and cap stability
What is the absolute fastest you an go for 50 mil?
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>>152249787
Not really. When everyone can fly anything then there is no structure and corps or alliances become obsolete because everyone can kill everyone. This means the game can get boring very fast because you run out of things to do very fast.

>>152249790
I dont fly a drake. I fly a deimos
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>>152249865
>The open-ended gameplay would be phenomenal.
The subscription loss would be phenomenal.

You're dumb as bricks if you think CCP should take a gamble like that
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>paid support fleets
>buy more plex senpai, for those rainy days so we can protect you from the people who want to improve your experience
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>>152249935
>grouping becomes obsolete because you can fly whatever
Wot. What is industry and thus moons and sov, etc.
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>>152249935
If you lost a deimos to a svipul, you should biomass.
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>that one guy who want eve to be even more alt oriented than it is now
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>>152249936
Baseless conclusion.
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>>152250054
I didnt and never have. I complain about svipuls because they dont need more than 3 APM to win
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>yfw sp removal is a baseless conclusion
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>>152250116
>people get pissed off they lost a good chunk of their wealth with no gains
>they unsub because they're mad/lost faith in CCP/whatever
>baseless
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>>152250158
>mfw
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>>152250137
So does not the deimos.
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>>152250239
CCP could just pretend that they're removing them from the game and to inject / sell them. That would be humorous but fine.

In any case, SP injectors and extractors aren't "a huge chunk of their wealth", and they could give them Aurum or so.

The other option is the game going F2P. Because whatever the game is right now isn't functionally increasing its subscription base.
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>>152250271
Not with the dual rep meme but if you have some skill and want a chalenge it requires about 50x the apm of a svipul
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>>152250369
>REMEMBER INCARNA
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>F2P cashgrab game

oy vey, another idea from the friendly merchant who has your best interest at heart

greed is good
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>>152250478
Relevance?
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>>152250369
>F2P
Yeah you are most definitely retarded. As should be expected from a no-sp fag
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>>152250489
>>152250523
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>>152250492
CCP tried to lean toward a microstransaction system and then handled it poorly. In an F2P game the only way to turn a profit is in game purchases for real cash. It wont go down well with the players if they change to F2P microtrans. And there are micro transactions but no-one buys skins and if we can fly everything already then what else can they charge for? Its not really a good idea to go f2p at all
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>>152250629
better than 50k newfags
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>>152250629
That's because of watering down the SP system by introducing SP injectors. As you can observe, the game had a higher player number prior to that.

Checkmate, kreydis.
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>>152250629
MMO's experience a decline in players logged in during summer because the players go outside. It peaks during winter. The "less players are logging" argument is invalid
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>>152250657
cosmetics

>>152250737
>>152250747
The decline is steady.
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>>152250737
Sp injectors have nothing to do with it
You dont know if that was taken shortly after downtime or not

>>152250747 <- This too

Checkmate fucking moron
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>eve f2p
>buy the golden thorax skin that improves your dps and tracking by 30% as well as your own place in nullsec for just the price of 3 plex
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>>152250629
Taking a screenshot during summer, at a time when yuropoors and ameriburgers are at work only goes further to prove you're a retard who has no idea what he's arguing about.
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reminder that playercount doesn't reflect the quality of the game
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>>152250869
That's now.

>>152250904
It's even worse during AU. That's like 12hrs. of empty fucking everything.
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>>152250904
My point exactly
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>>152250848
Steady decline after injectors, you're correct.

Post something more than baseless conclusions and non arguments, friend.
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>>152250967
It does because it's a sandbox based on player content.
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>small gang forms up
>ask for inty pilot
>x crusader
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>>152250967
It affects eve staying alive though.

You can have a quality game all you want but if your playerbase keeps dwindling you're going to have to either change the game so you have an influx of new players, or you have to find ways to jew your dwindling playerbase even more, which will only keep that downward trend going.

Does that last part sound familiar?

I'm not no-sp fag and won't argue that it's a good thing for the quality of the game, but eventually it may be a necessary sacrifice to keep eve alive
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crusader isnt inty
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>>152251493
Nah, I'd rather let EVE die than let it be flooded with idiots.
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>>152251586
>yfw no spfag
>yfw it's already too late to that
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>>152251586
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

>>>/out/
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>>152251586
I'm sure you would as a player, but CCP runs a business so they only give a shit about what would be best for their company.
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>>152251756
not an argument
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>s-summer dips are normal!
>eve isn't dead!

hahaha, fukken clowns
eve is on death row

>player base HALVED over 3.5 years
I give this game 5 more years, it's impossible for it to last longer than that.
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>>152252116
5 years is still an eternity for an mmo
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>tfw eve will die with its dignity somewhat intact rather than becoming a total p2w f2p cashgrab like the ccp shill wants it to become
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How's albion online coming along? I heard it's got a lot of eve-like elements like the economy and everything being built by players.
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>>152252298
>EVE isn't a p2w cashgrab
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>tfw never spent a single crown on EVE
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rapid light damps when
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>muninn
>140m
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>>152254153
It's such shit

It's a dedicated armor ship but it has more hit points in shield than armor
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>mfw you haven't even trained minmatar cruiser to V
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>>152254584
>mfw you fly minmanigger ships
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>bellicose pilot without minmatar cruiser v
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>>152254234
>but it has more hit points in shield than armor
It doesn't though.
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>>152254653
m8 they're built by sebiestor, the brutor and krusual are the ones who rely on gibsmedats

>tfw the sebiestor will never be free
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>>152254234
>mfw this anon has hull upgrades lvl 1
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>>152254808
truly ebin meme
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>le funny pol memes
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> r/eve memes

top banter
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>being a Brutor or a Brutor sympathizer
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>yfw sebiestor and gallente males
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>>152106296

I’m Progodlegend, and this is my crumbling alliance. I work here with my old man and my son, Sapporo Jones. Everything in here has a story and a price. One thing I’ve learned after 21 YCs – you never know WHAT is gonna come through that gate.
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>>152255057
wow I didn't know he was such a faggot
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>>152256035
le funny
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So, where are those shitheads No Man's Sky fans saying it will kill the best, the unique, the invincible Eve Online ?
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>25% bonus to Small Energy Turret falloff range
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>>152256410
>10% reduction in Small Energy Turret activation cost
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>>152252201
Bc he wants to be sure
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>>152256267
How did NMS fare?
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>>152258780
As wide as an ocean, as deep as a puddle.

For once, /v/'s prediction was completely accurate.
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>>152258780
The game is a mess, it runs like shit, there's nothing to do, and no way to interact with other players.
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>game is released
>everyone stops talking about it
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>space game isn't released
>everybody goes to eog to tell everyone how eve will die because of it
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>>152258780
Hot fucking garbage. SO MUCH procedurally generated content, none of it is interesting.
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>yfw elite exequror navy issue pvp
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it's not too bad with plate rep I guess. ship and model are both qt
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its relatively cheap pretty fun to use, the model is fantastic, yes.
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>>152249908
For what and what type if ship you faggot?
Scythe fleet issue.
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Who /hardwork/ here?
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>not impel
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Hey guys noob here.

I've been playing for around a month and have about 1.1 bil isk farmed up. Most was spliting a plex with a guy when I started. The other half bil was looting wrecks and some lucky drops exploring in null with my noobie corp.

Should I buy a skill injector? Or should I just keep this bil and wait? Is there something I can acutally do with this billion isk? I can't fly much well. I have lost a million and 1 freaking tackle frigates, mostly trying to hero tackle things.

Should I just buy more tackle frigs/ t1 cruisers or get a skill injector and go back to being kinda space poor? is 600 mil good enough for a month old character?
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>>152262639
You can do either really. If you're going for a skill injector then go for something fun to fly, unless you're flying and constantly losing faction or t2 stuff you will not starve at all with 600 mil, for a while at least.

You can save up and see what kind of ships you like to fly and then buy a skill injector to specialize in that area.
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>>152262639
If you do intend to get skill injectors do make sure you acutally do research on what you want to do first. SP doesn't make up for experience.
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>armor dst
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>>152263013
>>152262885

I have tried out pretty much all the frigs but it seems like you fly them all the same about when you're just trying to pin down things for your mates.

I feel like I would need to be a lot better to roam around in null. Plus everyone and their mother has backup in null and more SP.
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>shield anything
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>tfw gallente and caldari cruisers at V
>tfw you're going to become the embodiment of cancer yourself
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>>152263797
>tfw ccp will never fix gurista ships
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>>152256048
Holy shit man you have no idea. He was the most ineffective CSM ever, got dropped because he never showed up for a single thing.

CSM during Dolan's years were a total shambles, both the CSMs themselves and the dev side fucking everything up
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>>152264039
Don't fix what ain't broken.
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>gila
>remote damp does nothing, the drones still go after you.
>missile disruption, "lol i don't have any launchers fitted."
>ECM: makes drones automatically go after you.
>Target painted: artillery, beams and railgunsstill can't track 100mn fit.

Magnificently balanced game CCP. Stand and applaud.
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can I also use the free weekend as a returning non-steam pilot?
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>>152264512
Jam the drones.
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>he can't target drones
>he can't hit gila with a sig of a planet
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>>152264365
>
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>>152262265
Fuck that
I'll just jump freighter and move shit 20 times faster than you.
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>>152264512
What kind of nigger doesn't fit rapids in a pvp Gila?
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>tfw they don't realize pirate frigs are suppossed to have meme effect otherwise they'd be just expensive assfrigs
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>>152265038
without the -1/3 speed penalty assault frigates get
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>>152265038
>>152265827
are assfrigs really worth skilling ?
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>>152265983
no
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>>152249908
You can get 8km/s in a cold unlinked oversized prop punisher and a lot of fitting mods. A dram by itself is about 50m but you can get it to about 20km/s with links and snakes I think, with some bling. Everything goes faster in a c6 black hole. Also there are some bugs where you go sanic speeds, there's a video of some guy on sisi in hictor with bubble up flying loops around other people.
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>>152265983
Gallente and caldari are semi-useful. Minmatar wolf for burners.
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>>152265983
At this point no. The hawk in particular can't function even with 400mil of shit on it.
>>
>>152266451
they're not semi useful for anything, they're worse than navy frigates. burners are a meme, who cares, worm is probably better anyway

>>152266912
>I can't even permatank 5 guys ccp pls fix
>>
>>152266912
2masb m8
>>
I know the Miasmos can hold unrefined Ice in its specialised hold but can the Kryos hold ice PRODUCTS in it's hold?
>>
Assault and Rapid rocket bays when?

FoE rockets when?

I want my Rapid FoE 30km jackdaw.
>>
>missilefags
>>
>>152267852
No
>>
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>Rapid cancer will never be undone
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>rapids dont really effect me
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>tfw rhml pve typhoon
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>yfw foozie introduces rapid light drones
>>
>rapid light polarized guns
>>
>you get +400% damage application
>but you get -10% damage, so it's balanced
>>
>yfw caldari assault frigate rebalance
>yfw they all have their bonuses replaced to fit rlml
>>
>rapid light dread guns that use assault frigates as ammunition.

I fixed the class for you.
>>
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rapid mini rocket launcher

it's a rapid launcher for frigates
>>
>>152269475
To kill shuttles or what
>>
>>152267219
[Hawk, Hawk solo]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 200
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
[Empty High slot]
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Processor Overclocking Unit II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

This is an example of the kind of fit you could make for roughly 75mil jita sell price right now. It doesn't tank very well and is very slow, poor utility. You might get lucky if you can catch something like gallente t1 frigates in a knife fight where all you have to do is just hit approach and win.
>>
>it needs a buff because my fit is shit and also overpriced
>>
>>152269656
>75 mil for a frigate
I can have 2-3 well fit T1 cruisers for that price and outtank and outdamage you with just one of them.
>>
>2-3

you mean 2
>>
Auto-target rockets would fix AFs.
>>
>not auto-targeting target painters
>>
>implying AF won't be fixed with a +50 hull buff
>>
>>152270209
Two and a half if they were full T2 fit I'd reckon
>>
>TFW no dedicated hull tank bonuses anymore
>>
AFs add nothing of value, just delete or ignore
>>
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>not flying the best BC
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>yfw AF fixed by giving them a 400% damage bonus against t3 destroyers
>>
what blockade runner should i go for, ferrying shit around null
>>
>Fourteen year old game
>Still no melee combat ship or basic collision model
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>what blockade runner should I go for
>>
>>152270828
They can still stay at ridiculous ranges and wreck your shit without you being able to touch them.
>>
>>152270968

there is a collision model
>>
>>152271045

>yfw 400% speed bonus introduced as well
>>
I'll take a svipul on in my Navitas, I don't even give a fuck.
>>
>>152269967
>what did i say earlier about the hawk being shitty?
>>
>>152271426
The hawk is not that bad but you shouldn't be fittiing a 50 mil module on a fucking frigate.
>>
Is there a keyboard hotkey to track an object? The camera view called "track" is very useful.
>>
>that one guy who doesn't hull tank his navy exeq
>mfw he goes dualrep
>>
>gurista dread with siege gecko
>>
>guristas carrier with one fighter
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>mfw reading the new alliance tournament rules
Yeah I know I'm late but jesus christ.

Bhaalgorn flagship for everyone. Bhaalgorn and cuors in every match.
>>
>>152271758
>fitting 50mil to a frigate
https://zkillboard.com/character/820303498/losses/
>not understanding the relative of value of more expensive items on good ships.

The hawk itself is a thoroughbred ass of a ship.
>>
>>152272031
It's shit because you can't set custom tracking position. Fucking CCP fix this finally.
>>
What happened to the thread? Did we get nuked? Why is it so fast again?

Free weekend?
>>
>>152272239
Are you seriously arguing that expensive mods make good ships even better? Well of fucking course they do.

That still doesn't mean you should be flying 300 mil dramiels all the time. Looking at that killboard it didn't really help anyway, did it?
>>
>he thinks you shouldn't fly expensive fits if you can
>>
M8 I could fit 300M stabbers. Doesn't mean it is a wise choice.
>>
>stabber comparable with faction ships
>>
>>152273704
While I'm sure elise doesn't give a single shit about isk, most eve players actually do.

Shocking, I know.
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>salt gotem haha
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>>152273071
Guess you only looked at the losses. The ones where he gets blobbed over and over again.

The point I've been making is that 400mil worth of shit on a hawk wouldn't make a fucking difference, it's a terrible ship and needs an overhaul. 7/8 AF need work, the harpy being a possible exception.
>>
It's dramiel. It's shit.
>>
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>>152274030
>mfw seeing that on literally every killboard spammed to death
>mfw literally test tier comments everwhere
>>
>>152274318
>caited on a bree fan xDD
>>
>>152274091
Oh no I looked at the kills alright. They're nothing special.

Unless you think soloing a catalyst in a dramiel is somehow impressive.
>>
>>152180386
>light going into the camera
well there go my eyes
>>
NIVEK
I
V
E
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>>
kev
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>>152272239
elise is a linkfaggot, disregard every kill he gets
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>>152275327
>mfw he's linked, flying deadspace fit dramiels and still dying like a bitch time and time again
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>>152275924
is he butthurt as well when somebody blobs him?

I mean links are there to fight the blob.
>>
>>152276161
>>152276161
>>152276161

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