/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>152081359
Shit OP.

Reminder that there are accounts for all us on in the thread to use so we can help eachother become better and have fun!
User: rlgrobin
Pass: ownfault
EXCEPT on xtahua, where the pass is robin

And reminder that one anon already gotten a win on one account some time ago so just keep playing!

>>152081359
>OP doesn't have slex ascension with The Amy

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4th for tummies are for cummies.

>>152081781
Even if I suck, can I still use them

>>152082034
Yes, its for anyone to use. If you need help, ask for help in here and drop a link on which server youre playing

>>152081989
My situation was mostly the product of shafting myself on D:5 and then again on D:7.

(I lived somehow)

>>152081601
>dig and run towards a 2, 3 thick wall
>make a choke point and kill them one by one
Easy xp

>>152082034
it's a robin account, splatting is encouraged

>>152081359
>posting some retard's attention whoring suicide instead of the queen of /rlg/'s SLEX ascension

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>>152082868
Um, try again sweetie, this is the actual object of worship of /rlg/.

>>152084237
Please be careful posting images like that, we need to ration the loli tummy so it lasts the entire thread

>>152082868
>no more combining of wins and posting them in the op
>there was atleast 3 wins including rlgrobin last thread
Its sad

Oh shit what. How the fuck is spiders one of the lesser difficult of the branches? This orb spider is demolishing me. 2 HP left.

>>152084495
I used to do this during the tournaments but it's just too much work.

>>152085005
dodge the orbs dumbfuck

>>152085135
They like lock on you, how the fuck. I have no blink or tele.

>>152085069
Someone was doing it for non-tournament stuff too

>>152085291
Sidestep them

>>152085005
Learn to fucking dodge numbnuts. Or used your multiple ranged options that you should have by this point. Spider is squishy as fuck and you should have a the tools to squish all the stupid bugs.
>>152085291
Sidestep motherfucker. If you're more than two away and not engaged you should not be getting hit. If you are engaged then you should be blowing up its friends with the orbs.

>>152085325
I died. Well, that's alright. Furthest run so far.

>>152085483
>dying in spider
Weren't you playing a MiBe or something?

>>152085525
Yeah, a DsMo

>>152085646
What god?

>>152085745
Chei

>>152085795
Okay, now that makes sense why you weren't dodging. That being said, slouch nigga. Spider is squishy as fuck and fast as shit, slouch wrecks it.

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HAHA FUCK YOU BEOGH

>>152085919
Oh right, I don't use slouch too often except when they're in groups so I forgot. I was 1v1ing this orb spider after dealing with another orb spider and his buddies.

>>152086217
I miss the old smiley faces for friendlies.

>>152086365
You're chei. You were quite literally never going to catch it or dodge the orbs successfully. You needed to use one of your ranged options, either slouch or a wand or a net or something.

For reference, your background and god are pretty important info that you shouldn't leave out if you're getting your ass kicked and want help.

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>>152086217
>buy a new helmet
>its this

>>152086217
>Aliaster

>>152086923
That's actually pretty funny.

>>152086590
Funny how you guys are so quick to shit on each other even when you don't know the full situation

>>152086924
Yeah I mispelled that and almost wanted to restart but I got lucky on some loot so fuck it. Geryon-sama will be mine.

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>>152086923

>>152086923
That's actually the right decision to wear it, though.

>>152086217
>>152086923
READ-ID YOUR SCROLLS
Do so away from your friends on the off chance one is a holy word.
>>152087180
Its not our fault he left out critical information. We assume a newfag is playing some form of tabstorm character.

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>>152086460
Same

>>152082228
There's different servers?

>>152082720
Cool. I'll try a few times then.

>>152087476
that's a cute golfball of fire

>>152087620
Theres like 7, 8 servers to play on, theres one on each continent atleasr

>>152087695
I don't think there's an Antarctican server

>>152087695
I see. I get it. I'm on the CAO server.

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>>152087332
>READ-ID YOUR SCROLLS
Did that before going to snake.
>Do so away from your friends on the off chance one is a holy word.
I already ID-read holy word earlier, it's fi-i-ine.
Should I waste an acq to try and roll for a randart demon trident or what?
I feel quite satisfied with what I have, actually. I'd maybe like to have a healstick, but I have severe doubts I'll get that from a single wands roll.

>>152086460
back when friendlies were smiley faces i had to quit webtiles and go use console while clearing V:5 as a beoghite

it's just way too busy to see clearly when your entire screen is fulla orcs and vault guards

>>152088025
>double rPois ring
Anonnnnnnnn..

>>152087278
>+fly rN+
very good cloak IMO, wear it in Coc:7 so u can fly over the water and take less torment damage

>>152087323
>-3 ac for +4 str
It's not great unless you're a transmuter in which case str is literally the most amazing stat in the universe

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>>152088135
Fuck I always assume rpoise has 3 pips too.
Oops, that feels deathly cold!

>mfw finally got a transmuter to take off
You have no clue how fucking long i've been trying to accomplish this, but I could never make any further than lair. I got Hydra form online, bladehands, spiderform, and Dragon form is at about 30%. I just cleared Orc, what should I do next? I got Shoals and Spiders Nest.

>>152088641
>dragon form 30% in orc
it sounds like you are training too much tmut when you should be spending that xp in UC/dodge

http://crawl.xtahua.com:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

Unarmed DgGl with a bow. I see someone decided to go to Snake so let's try doing that.

>>152088641
Tm is kinda disappointing once you realise Blade Hands and Statue Form are infinitely better than any other spell you'll find later.

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>>152087476

>>152088393
each pip of strength gives like 10% more damage
stack that with amulet of harm and you will be wrecking shit

>>152091028
actually it's more like 5%

>>152088106
But that one anon said that tiles is easier to see info

>>152091028
>>152091123
it adds 2.5% of base damage
each 39 strength increases the multiplier by 1

>>152091169
well generally true but it was real bad for huge crowds of allies compared to what console does (which is just a different background color for them)

>>152089061
Yeah, It kind of sucks but at least the other forms are cool for flavor.

Btw I picked Chei and these orb spiders are absolutely fucking me up. What do I do about them?

>>152091717
Apparently throw shit at them or use wands. Or just use slouch.

>>152091717
run

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THANKS NEMELEX

Why does everyone I see that records CDDA always avoid PK's reimagining mod? In fact, why do so many of them only play vanilla or just make the game easier in general.
>generic guns and ammo
>craftable guns
>no joke monsters
>no Dino mod
>Lowered enemy spawn frequency below default despite it being their 100th run
So easy and boring.

>>152093295
>PK's reimagining mod
The one time I tried it, I got an error message on starting the game.

Well, that and nobody has any idea what it actually does because the description is useless.

>>152093569
Use the experimental build. PK's adds a ton of new monsters to rebalance all of the different enemy factions in the game to a relatively equal level while adding some new interesting twists as well.

Are there any elona players in the thread who can answer a question for me?

How exactly do you need to word your wish to get a shift core in elona+?

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shift_cores

Apparently these can be wished for in the current version even without wizard mode, and give you buffs and a change of character sprite of your choice for a type of customizable super mode.

I just wanted to know if you can wish for one type specifically, or wish for "shift core" and hope the rng smiles upon you.

>>152093295
>not playing with generic guns
i bet you like the laundry too

>>152093295
because fun

>>152094134
Might be better to ask here:
>>>/jp/15683289

>>152094673
>Playing with generic guns
Beyond gay

I bet you like NTR as well

>>152095083
>not self-inserting as the bull
lamo low test?

>>152095083
>I bet you like NTR as well
Woah there anon, that's one hell of an accusation.

>>152095157
>not self-inserting as the girl

you guys are doing it wrong

>>152094962
Honestly, I did. But for some reason no one ever answered and I didn't want to spam the thread to be spoon fed.

Even the elona wiki is tight lipped about it, the only way I even found the page was it was mentioned in the Elona thread. Google surprisingly turns up nothing.

>>152095157
>inserting as a nigger
Well at that point you may as well kill yourself

>>152095083
there's an NTR mod for cdda?
link?

>>152095268
>nigger
>implying I don't self insert as dirty old men

>>152095257
Well, it looks like the thread on /jp/ is nearing the bump limit. All I can say is ask again there, or hopefully someone here can help. I don't play enough Elona to know. I come back to it now and again, but I'm pretty bad.

>>152088976
DED

>>152088976
I lost a straight 1 on 1 from full HP against a very ugly thing I had no resistance against, at XL 18 as a fighter guy with a plate. I just couldn't register it can actually happen until it did, I thought I'll just lose a lot of my HP like against shock serpents in Spider.

>>152095928
Yeah, I could've blinked away, multiple faults on my part.

>>152095229
i do though

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>go down the stairs, enter D:5
>see this
What do?
This OoD spawns are getting ridiculous.

what sort of things should i be setting out to do in cataclysm? the newb guides arent very good

i dont have the materials to really safehouse and im running out of food pretty quickly, do i just endlessly fill plastic bottles with lake water or what?

>>152097598
Call the FBI and my local pastor.
>Your Iron FBI Agent goes berserk!

>>152097598
e[V]oke [c]ummies

>>152097598
go upstairs, exclude staircase, exit dungeon

>>152097734
depends. if you want to have fun, sprint to a gun store, loot it, and blast your way out. then try to reclaim a few houses on the edge of town for supplies and as a safe fallback area. otherwise craft some shitty spear or caltrops and enjoy the optimal tedium

>>152097754
>pastor
>summoning greater priest in this case
Pretty sure they have a chance of going hostile in this kind of situation. :^)

>>152098173
You're confusing it with shota, shitter.

>>152098173
Pastor is the lesser priest, anon. Come on.
Besides, I'd rather die by the hand of a righteous man raised in anger than be sullied by such a despicable thing.

>>152097984

is the gfmae really that bad? its fun right now but i just started

>>152097598
I recommend using your mating press skill

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>>152093801
H-here we go.

Gonna bring victory to weebkind while being happy as can be.

>>152099005
>playing as a tasteless fujoshi
>not an obese fetishist
>not editing a bunch of holy texts in and renaming them as various doujins
HMPF

Why doesn't DaggerfallRL exist yet?

>>152099718
Nobody is good enough to recreate the bug experience of the original.

>>152099005
>having torso encumbrance

You aren't making the weebs happy.

>>152099994
wew

>>152078665
Just download HDA's rcfile. For the damage announcement only, use only the HDamage file.

>>152098643
Well C:DDA is fun when you're first starting up and don't know much about the game, and it's fun in the first few in-game days before you get your character/base set up (unless you play optimally like spamming caltrop traps all over the place and kiting zombies into them, or dragging a shopping cart around and letting a zombie slowly walk onto it to aid in kiting with spear reach attacks). Once you do get set up, practically nothing can kill you if you're playing correctly, so there's no sense of danger to add excitement. And there's no defined end goal which can make your actions after getting your character set up feel meaningless. But not a bad game at all honestly, it's just not very replayable I guess, in spite of the huge number of starting options.

But really some of the most fun situations in the game are when you get yourself into deep shit and barely claw your way out, such as running into a gun store and trying to fight your way out of the mob.

>>152100409

it feels more fun than dungeon crawl at least where its super boring and then you die because you had tab attack on it and the enemy had some nuke spell

>>152099718
Because then it would be too obvious how much better the Might and Magic format is compared to the roguelike format.

>>152100783
What is Might and Magic format
Isn't that that action rpg game on xbox or some shit that was really fun?

>>152100580
>it feels more fun than dungeon crawl at least where its super boring and then you die because you had tab attack on it and the enemy had some nuke spell
>wahh why pressing tab mindlessly is not rewarding
FAULT

>>152101029

the first like 8 floors are so mind numbingly boring

>>152101029
But that's all crawl is honestly, o then tabbing, unless it's something dangerous then you walk away from it, or if it's a bunch of things then you walk to a corridor and tab.

That's the entire game, the only time you'll ever die in crawl is if you get bored and start tabbing things you know you shouldn't, or start playing dangerously because of boredom.

>Sun setting through the clouds, humidity isn't even obnoxious
>Cicadas buzzing loudly because they don't know any better
>Lightning bugs swimming lazily through the air looking for their dtf m8's
>Bats are swooping, blowing moths right the fuck out
Haha, time for high elf skald. What a lazy night.

Does crawl has the best god system or something? Why every other roguelike I've played like ivan or adom has such boring flavorless gods that almost don't do anything? What are other roguelikes with diverse and interesting pantheons?

>>152101664
Nethack

>>152099005
>pretty
>stylish
i dont think you are roleplaying a proper otaku anon

>>152101612
>Cicadas buzzing loudly because they don't know any better
>Lightning bugs swimming lazily through the air looking for their dtf m8's
Anime as fuck.
I only have bats and sometimes beavers.
And it's really close to Moscow which is surprising considering how polluted that shithole is.

im stuck fighting a sewer rat that i cant kill in cataclysm??? what the fuck do i do??

>>152101124

that's solely because you play a shitty braindead race+class

>>152102808
does dda have a button to evoke feet?

>>152102960


i dont think so. i managed to get it trapped in a closet in an underground base. i'll have to read some combat books before i can take him up again

>>152097598

It's pretty hilarious how """fatherly""" pedophiles managed to socially kill their fellow pedophiles in our current society today by degrading them to the level of rapists.

>playing as a devotee of the evil gods doesn't make you friendly to demons
Fair enough, they only serve you because they're scared of Mahkleb and he likes you.
>playing as a devotee of the good gods doesn't make you friendly to angels
Uh-
>playing as a devotee of Beogh makes you friendly to as many orcs as you can convince of your messiah-hood
It's weird that only the exclusive racist club gets you any friends.

>>152103279
>>playing as a devotee of the good gods doesn't make you friendly to angels
It used to. The only real explanation is to say that they're "testing you".

>>152103278
What was that about a-anon?

/rlg/ Am I a champion?
https://a.pomf.cat/afyxmf.webm

>>152103279
Worshipping Yred should have a chance of converting random deathknights to your cause.

>>152103279
I mean they're not really friends because of your god. Beogh loves all his priests and "messiahs" killing each other (which is why he gives you bonus piety for it), and the little orcs just follow the strongest manliest one.

>>152103883
Just like an Imam

>>152103279

It's because Orcs of any kind become irrelevant beyond level 15. Getting holy beings especially Daevas as allies that always follow you and doesn't disappear would be scummy, degenerate and should be removed immediately.

>>152101916
Honestly, I like the bats the best. Beavers sound mega cozy, even if they are just oily ass squirrels who flood stuff. Sounds nice, rusky bro.

>>152103045
Post your starting skills

>>152104871


i had at least 2 unarmed 3 melee, 10 dex and str. boxer starting class

>>152104986

That's way too low

>>152104986
you might be too encumbered in the torso region

usually killing rats and small animals is something you should do with a gun

a melee weapon wont do

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knbh8DNDyAg6j--cEeBeSxO2Luc9Dd10KqYpebv7OeI/edit
This is pretty cool. It's pretty much a Mummy that is objectively better, but it seems like it'd be fun to play.
Since apparently Salamanders are the result of a bored player trying his hand at programming Crawl, how hard would this be to make if I forked a branch?

>>152104986
Brawling style doesn't exist in CDDA experimental anymore, so take a starting martial art style.

I recommend black belt starter character with Dragon Shaolin style

>>152103538
rekt

>>152105131

it costs 2 points after level 3 i think wat am i supposed to start at


>>152105301

how do i check?


>>152105408

its not brawling its boxing the ultimate standing martial arts style

>>152101124
What? It's the exact opposite, the first 8-12 floors are interesting and then it gets boring unless your character is so shitty you have to play carefully later too.

>>152105509
Shift + 2

>>152104302
Ah yes, the ol' "gameplay defining the game's flavor"

Does spectral weapon work with crossbows and bows? Does it fire ranged attacks or attempt to close the gap to hit the dudes if it does work with it?

>>152105660

what's a bad encumbrance then? it says 2 65+22 (78)

>>152105509
The ultimate martial artist is Miyamoto, and you can get his descendant style in CDDA as well.

>>152101263
Crawl is still more exciting than any other roguelike I've played, but I can imagine people liking mindless grinding to "break" the game would prefer other roguelikes.

>>152105329
Why don't you just post it in the thread? I'm not giving my info up to the botnet

>>152105810

im about crackin jaws homie not dancing like some faggot pussy who gets his self esteem raised when his sensei compliments him for learning fuckin katas

>>152105945
He beat people to death with oars from rowboats while they were using real weapons just to show off.

>>152105768
it only works on melee weapons

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>>152105836
I didn't want to go through all the effort of screencapp-
I mean, gosh darnit, foiled again!

>>152105802
well 78 is a real bad encumbrance

it's effectively -7.8 to melee skill

>>152105768
it's time to add ranged dancing weapons to Elf because it's too easy otherwise

>>152105802
20-25 encumbrance is what's good for melee fighting

you have 78 so thats pretty much humanely impossible lmao

solutions: stop wearing 5 backpacks (or bedsheets, you ghost), all the straps are holding you down hilariously

>>152106256
That sounds real triggering.

>>152106326

i was wearing like 5 coats because i needed the inv space and i thought you were supposed to. whoopsie


how do i get a steady supply of water without drinking from puddles and spending half of my waking life shitting and vomitting from disease

>>152106234
It's like a different kind of mummy, except the apts trick you into thinking they're good at something.

Why do we think high elves are bad again? This just reminds me of playing a human, except I have better apts and lower HP/xp level.

>>152106540
-put water in a container
-have second empty container for some reason because they can't be assed to make this make sense or work properly
-light a fire
-go to the crafting menu and pick "clean water", which will boil the water to purify it

>>152106608
But muh silence
and also some okay apts
and better innates

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>>152105831
It isn't more fun than Forrays, Demon, Brogue, Sil, OWH, or any fucking version of nethack, which has more engaging gameplay than fucking O and TAB and then deciding to fucking leave if it's too dangerous.

Like holy shit what the fuck, I don't understand this post, I fucking love Forrays/Nethack/Sil and shit like that, that lets you kill things without having to be stronger than it, or having a master blaster spell or carried by your god, things that actually rewards players thinking outside the box , and actually THINKING other than examining and decided whether or not it's time to read a fucking teleport scroll and leave the floor or not.

And then there's Demon which just removes the popcorn entirely and makes most encounters something you have to choose the way you approach due to the VERY small amount of escape options, and where walking away just isn't an option most of the time, forcing you to tackle an encounter with your full attention, and preventing deaths from boredom due to how engaged you have to be.

>>152106624
>why is lower HP bad?

>>152106234
>non-corporeal
>can wear armor and drink potions
>ghosts are demons
>demons speak to cast instead of casting by gesture
>fedhas accepts them
so many flavor fuck ups here it hurts

>>152106992

Good thing hp doesn't matter huh.

>>152106624
Because their strengths lean you either towards a skald-like playstyle which is arguably the worst for a lot of the game or towards a limited spellcaster that makes you wish you played a deep elf or a tengu instead.

They're not mummy bad, but they're still one of the worse races in the game.

>>152107107
you're thinking of AC

>>152107279
your thinking of rMut

>>152106608
>>152106862
>>152106234
These guys actually look pretty neat. Full slots, Mummy apts except for spriggan size dodging (and + 3 dodge!) and some actually good magic apts. I wonder just how bad the malus to casting and stealth is, but I'd definitely try these guys out. Playable salamander branch again when?

>>152106992
Their HP isn't actually all that low though. Good fighting apt and -10% is pretty ok. They're like tengu or the small races, but with full slots and size with a little more HP. We'll see how I feel about that in the midgame though.

Spectral Weapon is really good. It's a poor man's haste.
I wonder if they can riposte

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Always remember what wands you got and which enemies have 0 MR. Wand of paralyze removal when?

>>152107641
I don't think they can. I haven't noticed it anyway. Those distraction stabs really make up for it though. What I really hate is that axe wielders blow you up really hard.

>>152106862
The silence will royally fuck you over because of -Scroll until XL 25, when it will give you an easy 3rd rune (Tomb). If you think permanent -Scroll isn't absolutely horrible, try playing a game without using scrolls of identify and remove curse.
Good spellcasting apts are offset by -wiz, so they're probably like ~1.5 levels worse.
They make good Enchanters but why would you play SSEn when there's SpEn?

>>152106904
Stop playing MiBe and GrFi only. Good point about Demon though, that one's interesting.

>>152107910
I only play novelty builds in crawl, like Felids and Octopodes,I did make a vampire when the Jojo god came out though

>>152106807

how do i make a contained fire? i tried out the lighter on a bed and it burned down the house and made my game lag for awhile

>>152108156
same way you do it in real life:
go outside, dumbass
you don't light a fire on the floor of a building

find a lonely bush in a field or make a pile of zombie clothes or something

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>run a game of beogh to see what the fuss is about
>die eventually
>decide to run a VpMo of Yredelemnul for a more inclusive game of "beat stuff up, collect friends"
>this happens
I have been chosen and empowered by based Yred that I might bring more beings into his kingdom.

>>152108945
Out of curiosity, which version is this and why are you playing it?

>>152109039
Looks like .14

>>152109039
.14
Originally for Djinn, Lava Orcs, and unnerfed Formicids, but I liked the unnerfed Spectral Weapons, unnerfed wands, unnerfed Confusing Touch, unnerfed-unnerfed-unnerfed Nemehex, etc. too, so I decided to stick with it.

>>152107279

you're thinking of Gods

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>>152108945
Yred is honestly so much fun.
Enslaving yredmons and praying some OP unique spawns is very exciting.

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This is probably the best Sif book I've ever received.

>>152109317
What were unnerfed wands and unnerfed Nemelex like? And do you mean Formicids being able to throw large rocks? Since that change ants were buffed twice by the way.

>>152110874
Ants used to be able to ruk and use large clubs. The club thing is the real game breaker, since 18 M&F gets you a weapon better than a 3sword, and you get to use it with a large shield.

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Has anyone ever made one of those roll/get games for DCSS? I feel it would be a good idea.
(ie this number decides your race, this number decides your class, etc)

>>152110874
>What were unnerfed wands
You could zap wands without using ~3 charges a zap.
>and unnerfed Nemelex like?
You sacrifice anything by praying over it, and Nemelex gives you decks themed around what you sacrificed. Corpses produced summoning decks, weapons produced decks of destruction, food produced decks of wonder/dungeons, and so on. Also, decks themselves were more powerful, because they had more cards, and cards that had a more powerful effect.
>And do you mean Formicids being able to throw large rocks
Yes. That, and wield giant clubs and giant spiked clubs. Also, ruks were innately penetrating, which made ruks even better.
>Since that change ants were buffed twice by the way.
If you mean removal of their vulnerability to poison, and the removal of statis, ehh.
>>152110994
>and you get to use it with a large shield.
Not in the version I have, at least.

>>152111362

A lot of these Nagas can't even win a MiBe to save their lives and now you expect them to do a random race/class play?

>>152111376
>If you mean removal of their vulnerability to poison, and the removal of statis, ehh.
Initially Fo has -2 HP. Not sure if that was removed before their ability to use big clubs.

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>>152111573
Mayyyyybe...
...Mayyyyyybe...

>>152107103
There's nothing wrong with Fedhas accepting ghosts. They aren't corporeal undead, and player ghosts can already retain their religion.

>>152107446
High elf HP is extremely low, mostly because of their XP penalty. They are always underleveled, and how great they'll be at 27 doesn't matter if they can't get there.

>>152112468

220 hp is not extremely low. A spriggan is at 174 iirc, A tengu and deep elf is at 199 exact. A human has 240~ hp iirc. It's a mere 20 difference max from a human.

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>>152099005
Managed to (at great cost) club a mi-go to death night 1 thanks to the meth on the bodies around him.

Then I got a debug message about a missing hell castle basement that was apparently fixed in the twelve commits after my version, so I upgraded.

Missed scenario, this time. Perhaps the lack of internet has forced us outside.

>>152113386

Ok, I just wizmoded it and it's actually 25 hp difference. HE = 224 hp, Human = 249 hp. 224 hp is high

>>152113386
You didn't even read what he said. He said you'll be underleveled (early on levels provide huge boosts to your HP) and you also have -10% HP stacked on top of that. You will not have 220 HP unbuffed before lair

>>152114007

Exp doesn't matter at all?

>>152114142
Nothing matters at all. If you never had at least a 10 win streak, you're a total shitter and you should end yourself immediately.

>>152112468
>>152113386
>>152114007
Thus far, I basically have the same HP as a tengu but with better slots and a stronger endgame. I've dumped much more exp into magic than my last tengu did though. Low exp races aren't the worst thing in the world, especially one with actually good apts.

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>>152113580
Turns out there's a lot of zombies out there.

Sadly my friend (except they wouldn't be my friend, so who knows who they were and why they were in my house) died in the escape, though I'm not exactly faring much better.

>>152111573
Does everyone win with MiBe as their first

just downloaded infra arcana 18.2, been out of the game since v16 or so. what changes am i in for?

also what's your personal favorite ia version? best run?

>>152114639
And that tengu has 5 more fighting than my high elf at 1 level higher. So really, once I actually level more fighting (I'm at 10), it'll be more like -15% or so HP. Kind of neat.

>>152115006
SpEn was my first.

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>>152114836
New plan: wait until night to flee into the darkness and let the pain diminish

There's a small problem, however.

>>152115159
Game Over desu
Bad end

>>152115006
Mine was MiFi because I didn't like to have my god chosen for me from the start, but yes, a Mi/Gr Be/Fi is the most common first win.

How do I into casters, guys, I keep dying before even getting to lair.

>>152115726
>conjurer
>get the beam
>walk to hallway
>use beam
>orb of destruction
>launch orb
>walk away
you win

>>152115726
Cast your spells at the dudes. Learn all your spells. Learn them ASAP. Abuse the higher level ones instead of spamming your level 1. Also, 0 skill squishy elf melee is a little better than you'd think and will let you melee some popcorn really early on. What are you trying to play specifically?

>>152115006
SpSt for me.

>>152115875
Where are the steps to get the beam though man?

>>152115909
I switch between GrFE and GrEE, but usually GrEE since I read it was the easiest to break into.

Do you really need all the spells though? I hardly use like passwall for instance. I'm also not sure when you change from your level 1 spell to the next like Stone Arrow. Since the cost is much higher and it doesn't seem to do more damage.

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>>152115319
Not yet!

Running is still OP, even with slow footed and the low stamina trait, because you still move fast enough to get doors and cars between zombies. More importantly, it got me over to a bicycle, which seemingly lowers stamina to zero but doesn't actually stop you from using it at that point.

Bicycle is fast enough to outrun zombies, until you go offroad (tip: don't go offroad) where your speed is cut by over half. It also drops below wasp speed, but they decided to go eat a wayward ant instead of my face.

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So, scurry my ass back up those steps?

>>152116376
Gotta love ambush entrances. Truly the pinnacle of vault design

>>152116272
Try something a little more blasty like gargoyle conjurer. EE level 1 is actually really good, but you'll constantly feel starved for MP once you start using stone arrow and LRD. You probably don't need passwall. GrEE is super easy though, not going to lie.

>>152116272
Isn't the beam a level 3 or 4 spell.

Get your shit together, doesn't one of the earlier conj spells cause confusion too?

>>152114584

No, not really.

>>152116272
EE is kinda weird and difficult to learn (in other words it's terrible), but in most schools you learn the next spell up and it becomes your go-to. By the time you've learned the best spell in your starter book you can make it to lair.

>>152115726
Learn to only ever fight one thing at a time after luring it away from an unexplored area and to regenerate your MP to full after each fight.

>>152116823

>EE is kinda weird and difficult to learn
>Grinder dies in 2 sandblasts

huh.... really makes u think...

>>152111362
but why when there is already a random button IN crawl

>>152116487
The pinnacle would be if there was a mesmerizer or two included in the ambush.

>>152116292
>Running
>from a brute
I didn't know this was possible.

>>152116587
Alright, I'll try conjurer and see how it goes. Hopefully one day, I'll be able to finish a run with GrEE too.

>>152116823
Really?
The last spell is LRD but that's super expensive in MP.

>>152116875
I do that, but usually they pull more mobs with them when they wake up so I have to deal with them in a row and run out of MP. Unique mobs are also a problem.

>>152116631
The beam is level 2, and the level 3 spell blinds. Haven't you played a conjurer?

>>152113754
Again he's not complaining about the hp at xl27.

He's saying the xp penalty means they will be a lower level than a human who got the same amount of xp, so they will have less hp than that human

>>152115006
i did a DsGl of mak

20 invo in lair is pretty fun

>>152116487
>ambush
>literally 2 upstairs right there to press < on

it won't kill anyone unless they get first-turn paralysed by that one human unique with the shouting or if they're too stupid to figure out how to get to the third staircase

>>152118884

see >>152114142

>>152117628
You have to put doors and cars between it so you have enough time to duck into house and lose LOS.

Actually I think an unpained survivor can spear kite brutes, so you probably can as long as your stamina holds.

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I think I'll get the deer this time.

Hard to hit melee dude with well fed, and I start with Revelation.

I'll post my splat when Artemis two shots me

>>152119824
>tfw guy keeps posting this and you want to play but you also want to play crawl
This is the end isn't it

>le pink meme squares
>le not even attempting to troubleshoot his fucking game

>>152119824
Artemis best revelation target tho

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What RL has the most juicy effects and is fast pace?

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>>152119967
You're probably right but I want to try out new things, maybe see how well the deer can turn out, and put his tank abilities on other guys

>>152120173
Yea his modifier has great abilities too, but he himself seems kind of shit. With Artemis though she's already set up to use all of the status effect passives in her modifier. But honestly I've never tried the deer out so I can't really say if he's bad or not.

>>152120096
Tome4 dlc

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Went through my screenshot folder and came across this gem. Reminder not to neglect rPois.

>>152116376
Rad sword at XL15!

>>152120957
I blew a scroll of acquirement getting it. It carried me all the way up to snake. Unfortunately I splatted on V:5 due to lack of rElec. I even used another scroll of acquirement for some half decent boots or hat and it gave me a fucking buckler.

>>152120957
>dat reaper tile
Gross. I feel stressed just looking at that situation though. How awful.

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>>152116292
In a combination of zero driving skill and impromptu acrobatics, my character slammed into a door, flew off the bicycle, and landed back on. Somehow.

Also, this is worm country.

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>>152121037
In hindsight, attempting extended without proper resists was unwise.

>>152121051
>I feel stressed just looking at that situation though.
How about this one?

>>152120957
what's the chance of oneshotting the reaper with holy flame and getting enough heal from TSO to survive

or for meme points i think you can use !lig? but maybe it's just rpois and not immunity

>>152121334
>attempting extended
>Vault 5
>extended
The fuck you on nigger? V:5 is mandatory. And I didn't have the MR to survive dipping any actual extended.

>>152121438
>V:$
>Mandatory
Nigga, you get your choice of 3 runes for your third.

>>152121507
Yes, because Abyss and Slime are so much safer and easier than vaults. Or do you mean the hells and pan? Should I dive the tomb instead?

>>152121438
Sorry, was talking about myself stupidly dying in Pan!

V:$ is a bitch though, I've skipped it on some dudes in favour of the abyssal rune or something. Fuck titans.

>>152121663
I've done Abyss over V:$ on many characters, and even slime once or twice. It all depends on your character. Not everyone blindly tabs, you dumb minotaur.

>>152121709
If the goddamn acquirement hadn't decided to give me a goddamn buckler with my zero shields and 23 long sword skill and instead gave me a basic hat of rElec I would have been peachy. I blame that scroll.

>some faggot decided to use polearms on Fo
lmao

>>152121663

Abyss is objectively easier than V:$. If you don't have MR (MR0 or MR1) then going to Abyss is the obvious choice until you get MR2 or 3. Just stay away from those floating yellow eyes as soon as you see them

>>152121845
N-no bully

>>152121438
>not playing circus animals and getting a 0-rune win

>>152121845
>not bardiching the bardouches from behind your shield
>not being the one man phalanx

Everyone knows that the optimal choice of weapon for a Fo is a lajatang. Fucking fight me.

>>152121845
spearFo of hepli seems good tho

you and your ghost dad get to fight in killholes together, and if he's in a good postion away from you you can use transference as a stasis-piercing pseudoblink

if you go to abyss without resist mutation you are a gigantic faggotlord
and vaults 5 is piss easy
>rF+++
>immolation
>teleport

woooooww sooooo haaaaard pls nerf vault

>>152122041
What is resist mutation?

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>>152121159
>pull the bicycle into the shelter because the seat is a comfortable place to sleep (let's ignore the logistics of this)
>drop the curtains on the same tile for warmth
Apparently they have to be "stored in" the tile you're sleeping on to count and since a bike seat has no storage I nearly froze to death at night.

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>Not simply getting the golden rune asap

What are you, casuals?

>>152122041

You would immolate what? Those vault guards surrounding you? Are you retarded?

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Time for the 3rd rune. Probably Slime, because V:5 seems completely unrealistic and Abyss to unpredictable and dangerous. The only problem is that no potions of cure mutation spawned in the whole game so far, so I have to be really wary of shining eyes.

>>152121663
>Yes, because Abyss and Slime are so much safer and easier than vaults.
Exactly, especially Slime.

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>>152122348

>9 hours
>2 runes

http://pastebin.com/fEk7TkEM
Pastebin so ya'll can point out where I faulted.

>>152122804
>You riposte.
Right here.

>>152122804
>2 scrolls of blinking
>4 scrolls of teleportation
>wand of teleportation
>not hasted
>standing against a wall with no rElec against titans
and probably a lot more

>>152122804
>no rElec

>>152122348
>No stealth as a lewd, nude dragon dude
>Screaming 1, shaggy fur 1, wild magic 1
You been quaffing Xom's juice again, boy? What spells you got? Mayhaps a dump?

>>152122804
Double blink with scrolls would have gotten you out of the hot zone, atleast for a little bit. You kept swinging for too long, and didn't read tele at half HP. Maybe should have been hasted too, considering you had 7 recharges. Pretty big fault tbqh. No rElec is definately survivable, but you have to actually be wary around shit that shocks you. It happens though. You'll know next time.

>>152123354
I was hoping the wave of dudes I just summoned with a scroll would at least distract them so I could quaff some shit and maybe get some makhleb hp back.

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>>152122232
The solution is to cut them up and make blankets, then roast the rest of your body once you have enough warmth to heat up your near death torso. I guess the next step is to get some food and water from somewhere.

Don't think I want to mess with the ant with the red name.

>>152123428
Gotta know when you get out of dodge, bruv. Double zaps and the like will melt you no matter how big you are. You can 1v1 an electric dude with no rElec, but you had no business staying in there. I've literally done the same thing though, and on a MuWz of all things. Had like 20 summons with me, with 3 between me and a shock serpent. Shock serpent don't care. Literally double zapped twice in under 2 turns for 100 to 0, THROUGH friendly harpies and mana vipers. You have to respect that shit.

>>152123354
>You been quaffing Xom's juice again, boy?
One beneficial mutation potion, then a cacodemon in Depths. There were no cure mutation potions in the game so far.
>What spells you got? Mayhaps a dump?
http://pastebin.com/U1eXirnP

+4 ring of slaying or +6 ring of str?

>>152123620
I was sticking around in vaults just hoping to find some rElec so that I wouldn't walk into zot then get electric golem'd. If that damn acquirement had come through i'd probably still be alive. Also if I had found a damn altar that I wanted before lair 6 might've helped. I don't think I saw a single altar to oka so I decided to cut my losses with Makhleb at that demon lair.

>>152122289
obviously
are YOU retarded?

>>152123842
Do you need the ring of str for some defenses right this moment? If not then slaying definitely. +4 is amazing for most stages of the game.

>>152123762
Honestly, I would rather do abyss than slime on your dude. You aren't equipped for slime, unless you have some torment scrolls hiding somewhere. I don't like your chances vs. TRJ. Abyss 3 will be somewhat rough, but you have a lot of tools for handling the various spawns. Why no battle ball on a CJ? Why hide your name, hyperhazel?

>>152123851
If you don't have your god by D:8, you have to pick something. Lair: 6 is way too late for god picking. Although props for surviving without. You can fight elec dudes 1v1 in the open atleast. I've done it, and while it totally sucks, it is doable. You could have tried out a storm dragon armour if you were really hurting for it though.

>>152123981
with +6 I get 1 more of ev and sh plus a bit of damage both ranged and melee
is +4 worth it on extended?
I'm already max at fighting

>>152123851
You're guaranteed an altar to every god except Beogh, Lucy, and Jiyva at or before D:9.

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>>152123498
Pulled an AR-15 out of the front seat of the security van, but bike sniping doesn't seem as good as I hoped. Or at all, really. You have to take the controls, get your speed up, let go so you can fire, repeat.

Maybe I can lead them out of town, I suppose.

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>>152123935

Wait, you aren't doing it ironically?

>>152124749
you're retarded
i'm retarded
we're all retarded here

Can someone please post the contents of MiBe's backpack image, I need it for a thing

>>152124264
Battle ball? Battlesphere or Orb of Destruction? I got rid of the former and I'll (maybe) get the latter for orbs of fire.

I don't think I'm particularly well equipped for Abyss, barely any fast healing, and the rune vaults require a whole lot of spellcasting. Sif's channelling with the staff of energy would probably suffice, so that's an option too. Meanwhile in Slime I just have to force the fight with TRJ in a corridor, surround myself with summons, phantom mirror TRJ (got one now) and hopefully survive long enough - I have rCorr ring too. And of course Slime has a loot.

And the spoiler part - there's no reason to namefag, you can always just watch me on the server if you want.

>>152124987
are you a girl

>>152081896
I CAN SEE HER VAJAYJAY

>>152124749
are you telling me you don't use immolation on v5 with rF+++?

>>152091717
If you duck around a corner then they will follow you around it, so you can just wait right there until they step adjacent, then hopefully you can 1-hit them since you're chei

>>152125023
life would be easier if i were

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>>152124943


>>152124987
Battlesphere. Its super great and a major source of damage. I don't know why'd you'd get rid of it. You have regen for abyss, summons to keep dudes off your ass, iron shot for strong dudes and good melee for popcorn. Fireball and bolt will keep you safe from screaming masses, and you should probably pickup battle ball again so that you can dps the fuck out of cancer stars and crabs. You're looking real solid for it, believe me. You're supposed to ninja the rune out of the vault, not blast your way through. You even have passage and some blink scrolls to facilitate it.

>>152124749
1 immolation scroll to bomb orc:$, and 1 immolation scroll to bomb big boy orc, aka V:$. When they take away so many opportunities for fun away, you have to cherish those that remain.

>>152125386
Thank you kindly anon.

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>>152125386
>Ruk (Can't even throw)
i always forget that part of the image

>>152125386
In my experience Battlesphere works best with spammable spells like Magic Dart or Dazzling Spray. In Depths it was doing next to nothing since my fights were mostly over after 3-4 casts of stronger spells (and then I was retreating to regen) so I got rid of it in favor of Shadow Creatures.

>>152125074

found the retard

>>152126147
did you find a mirror?

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>>152124671
100% accurate rendition of this scene

>Go to tavern: Game Design 1
>Ctrl F "Remove"
>Take a shot for each instance of someone asking for removal

>>152125386
I remember getting a disk of storm for the first time and being surprised at what it did

>>152126328

Did you find a post from someone asking to remove Controlled Blink?

>>152126620
No, I decided to browse it for a quick laugh and realized there were over 10 instances of people asking for removal of various features. What got me was "remove the ability to wield useless items." Breadswinging is a time honoured tradition, but someone wants it removed because they accidentally wielded their disc. Like, goddamn. If you want it changed, atleast make it like quivering so that you have to press a special button just for being able to wield your whole inventory. Don't just go straight for the removal. Also, someone is butthurt about swiftness which I thought was amusing.

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For those of you who play tiles, the little b's are summoned butterflies. I know Summon Butterfly, but I did not cast it in this instance. That was Hell's doing.

Zin apparently thought it was funny enough to let pass. And they said The Law-Giver has no sense of humor!

What the fuck, though. Seriously Hell. What the fuck are you even doing.

Yes, I'm wielding the unique triple crossbow "Sniper". With max skill it wrecks EVERYTHING, up to and including Ereshkigal and Cerebov.

>>152126925

Then I'll post it. I want it removed RIGHT NOW

>>152126986
Everyone knows that sniper is dope AF. 3bows are great for hell and pan. What are you wearing that makes your EV so middling?

>>152127046
I honestly feel that cblinks should give you the same amount of contam as haste. 1 blink will leave you on the threshold of yellow contam, and 2 will pretty much mut you once.

What is the best Angband variant, /rlg/?

>>152127214
Tome4

>>152127084
+11 golden dragon armor. Just waiting for enchant scroll number 12. I've already maxed Armor skill; I'm just holding off on training Dodge until I've got Haste safe to cast with Zin stats.

>>152127214
Sil

>>152127162

>contam

There's lots of workaround for it without using consumables so it'd result to be a trivial nerf. There's no saving cBlink, you can't nerf it. A nerf to its distance would just make it a pseudo Ru power leap. You can't make it a level 9 spell either.

The only solution is removings

>>152127440
I really feel like the contam is a big punishment, barring lichform shenanigans (at which point your character has 20+ necro, 20+ translocations and is firmly into extended, which is its own bed of worms). Cblink really requires a lot of exp to happen, in a school that doesn't have a lot of super great spells that you want all at once. Also, make cblinks from scrolls give contam too.

>>152127703

>requires a lot of exp to happen

Exp doesn't matter. It's a spell that instantly saves your ass that you could use multiple times along with "punishments" that have a lot of workarounds in order to cheese it.

It's scummy, degenerate and should be removed.

>>152127703
>Also, make cblinks from scrolls give contam too.
They already do. I've been playing since 0.14 and I can't think of any version where scrolls of blinking did NOT give you light contamination.

>>152128059
>>152127703

Maybe give it the swiftness treatment?

>>152124943
nice post

how do I win a MuMo

>>152128147
>the swiftness treatment
What would that look like for cBlink? Temporary -Tele after your blink? Sounds pretty fair, actually.

>>152128147

Why would a -Swift matter if I can cast it again? Cast it again and again and again until I get a red contamination which I'd just shrug off because I can't be mutated.

should I enchant a -3 blowgun up to +9 or use a +0 randart blowgun of speed?

>>152128235
Be more careful but you tab still.

>>152128130
They give so little that it might as well not matter though. You can easily do 3+ cblinks without it adding up to yellow.

>>152128059
But exp really does matter. Its so expensive that its nearly prohibitive to get in a 3 rune game for a panic button, especially when the lower level spells do just as well.. In postend, its easily a 20+ investment for something that returns blink, pprojectile and golubria. Other schools just have better returns imo, but different people value different things. I'd rather have tornado than cblink, and a second level 9 if I have my first. I agree that it is a "problematic" ability, but no moreso than the abundant teleports or tornado killing literally anything and everything. Or haste being the end all, be all ability to have at literally all points in the game, with postend basically being balanced around it along with torment and hellfire.

>>152128401
-Tele sounds really great, actually. Vertigo that stacks would be a nice way to balance it, along with the contam.

>>152128435
How are you avoiding the mutations? Or the 100+ damage magical storms that happen at red?

>>152128401
Something like that, yeah.

Granted, in most cases one cBlink is enough, but if it's perceived as overpowered then a small cooldown after using it might balance it.

>>152128691

>How are you avoiding the mutations?

haha who knows? gitgud skrub

>>152128991
But I'm a certified goodplayer™. I did gitgud.

>>152128235
controlled tabbing
also fight everything 1 on 1

>>152129148
>also fight everything 1 on 1
>implying it matters in the early and mid game

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>>152128691

Why would you need an unlimited panic buttton on a 3 rune run? 3 runing shitters are automatically excluded in this discussion because they're irrelevant.

>teleport

has delay, lands you somewhere either dangerous or safe or just a few tiles away

>haste

monsters can use it as well

>tornado

you can't use it to avoid fault. It's not scummy and degenerate unlike cBlink

>>152129289
Tornado prevents the fault by killing everything tho. Monsters having haste was kind of my point by saying "postend is completely balanced around haste/hellfire/torment." Teleport is completely busted, even if it is random and delayed. 3 rune is the most relevant because that is what most players will ever see.

>>152129401
>Teleport is completely busted
nah walking away from things and picking your fights and high base HP is completely busted
after tele is removed, all races should turn into spriggans with naga movespeed

>>152129401

>Tornado prevents the fault

not as much as cBlink

>>152129642
I disagree.

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>deck of wonders
>The deck is going to be removed in 0.19.

>>152129802
How rustled are you that all decks are yugi only now?

>>152128235
Go back and play 0.15 instead of trunk

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Slime could have gone better.

I'm also down to my last scroll of blinking because Zot entrance spawned next to some kind of a dragon vault and I far overstayed my welcome.

>>152129690

That's already being delusional.

>>152131316
Why do I always see those two rings?

>>152131316
Hey, nice job getting TRJ. It looks like it went pretty poorly, but you should be able to push through. I believe in you man.

>>152131375
I'd rather have tornado 100% of the time, given the choice between the two. Not even memeing or joking.

>>152131316

Spellset dump?

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>>152131438
Because I swap around these two, MR+, rElec and rCorr depending on what I'm fighting. rF+ and rC+ are just the two most often used.

>>152131448
TRJ was piss easy, it were shining eyes on the way down that fucked me over. I'm also out of blinks now.

>>152131513
pic related, I need to get two spell levels free and learn Blink once I manage get out of my triple killtunnel somehow. Anything + berserk from ghost moths obliterate me by the way.

>>152131448
In DCSS, if a monster cannot see you, it cannot do damage to you. There are only a very few exceptions to this rule. That makes LOS management (which cblink is incredibly good at) the most powerful mechanic in the game, much more powerful than tornado's ability to kill enemies after being in their LOS for several turns.

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>mummy zig floor

>>152131943
fuuuuck mummy zig floors. The only way I know how to do them are TSO, Makhleb, or use a shitton of healing and fog

>>152131943

>not abusing one of the scummiest spells in the game besides cBlink

fault

>>152131835

How'd you manage to get that far with only Lair:4 spells? You're doing this on purpose right? So that's why your playing time is that long.

>>152132154
Beginner here, when are you supposed to pop fog?

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>>152131867
Right, but you rightly can't win the game with just Cblink. You actually have to kill stuff, and a lot of the most dangerous areas aren't susceptible to LoS shenanigans. The areas that are vulnerable to such nonsense are completely fucked by a wand of digging and some recharge scrolls (and tornado). Furthermore, its a very reactive spell that gets you out of harms way. Tornado not only KILLS everything while keeping you safe from melee damage and low range spells, it does so while letting you do other things with your turns. Tornado melee or iron shotting will absolutely kill everything, as well as providing you with a chance to quaff ambrosia or channel or read tele. I feel like the unique properties tornado offers is much stronger than the raw utility of cBlink. Additionally, you have many other ways of getting out of harm's way that aren't necessarily all that much worse than cblink. I think cblinks best ability is to help facilitate rune ninja'ing in hell, which bypasses the incredibly awful hell lords and hell effects. Tornado won't necessarily save you from hell effects, but it'll keep you somewhat safe when petrified, keep iron giant and shard shrikes off your dick and kill the hell lords for you. What cBlink accomplishes can also be accomplished with blink scrolls, haste walking and teleports. Just not as efficiently. The same cannot be said for tornado.

>>152132413
When a dangerous enemy is in your LoS, and you have a good chance of dying just by it seeing you. Rupert is a good example. If you're walking and Rupert enters LoS, you pop fog and read tele.

>>152132380
I'm using a +7 eveningstar of crushing for weak and medium monsters like yaktaurs, fire/ice dragons, stone giants or normal draconians (except purple), I use bolt of fire or iron shot for stronger ones. Fireball was for spriggans to make sure I actually hit them and now I have OoD for orbs - it was also useful for Tiamat that I just found on Zot:1. You don't really need level 9 spells for a 3 rune game. Sif's new channelling is great.

>>152132516

Blink scrolls are not unlimited. Haste and teles don't have issues because they're balanced. Tornado is just damage with utility, nothing more nothing less.

cBlink is unlimited, with ""penalties"" (including mana consumption) that could be outright cheesed or even ignored. It should be removed, it doesn't belong here in this game.

>>152132516
Different anon here, but Tornado is kind of limited in that spellpower is important for it to function. Low-Int Tornado without dual enhancers is pretty underwhelming, it remains pretty underwhelming even with a single enhancer.

Spellpower doesn't affect CBlink, thereby making it theoretically more attractive than Tornado to middling-Int characters who might not have the choice forced by aptitudes.

The orc warrior evaporates and reforms as a boggart!

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Welp, Ludoc rekt me.

I feel like new light/dark is just a weaker mind Orb, although I didn't have much light/dark abilities, my mind character didn't need any other than the starting two to be a devastating support.