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Previous >>152037474

>[White Beach of Healing from 11.8 to 31.8]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/quest_event_20160811.php#nav
- Fuyuki must have been cleared to access the event
- Welfare Scat Assassin 4* as reward
- New mystic code [Brilliant Summer]
- New ascension material added [Shell of Recollection] required for ascending the time limited servants
- Summer Gacha part 1:
Tamamo no Mae Lancer 5*
Anne Mary Archer 4*
Mordred Rider 4*
Kiyohime Lancer 4*
Everyone is limited.
-Event CEs:
5* Carmilla CE: Crit dmg up by 15% and 30% NP at the start of battle - Water and Food +1
5* Drake CE: Ignore Invul. and gives 3 stars per turn - Iron +1
4* Evil Cat CE: Evasion (1 hit) and Quick up by 8% - Stone +1
3* Boobyca CE: Defense and Arts up by 3% - Wood +1
All CEs will gain a second effect during the second part of the event
For material bonus see: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oept0VLDr00R7cUQE4tXus7dgCMdFjPq7HUbtFXwcSo/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
- New vers - emulators, rooted androids, jailbroken iPhones, & androids with developer options on are prevented from launching game
- http://news.fate-go.jp/2016/xbalo9/
- Shakes, Phantom, Benkei, Ceasar, ROMA, Tesla, Curry Bros., Frank and Lancer Alter to bond 10

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>Translations Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/URc62gex

>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info

>Alternate servant/CE database
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html

>Camelot Spoilers
http://pastebin.com/bxy64aiH
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Xth for what's the diffence between Disengage B and Disengage A
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>FP gacha
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>>152071176
Swimsuit Anne does not have Riding and on top of that she doesn't specifically have Voyager either because DW felt it necessary to make it a skill and not a passive. You can argue it's bundled into Treasure Hunt (Sea) but Voyager by itself is just not there.
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Cute!
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Let's have a different topic anon

How many APPLES do you still have? How did it accumulate to such and are you having trouble in farming in this event?
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LIZ THREAD
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My wife.
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ROMA!
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Manaka doujin when?
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>>152071696
71, i'm taking the event slowly and trying to not use Golden apples until i really need to clean out the shop
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>>152071736
Your wife has a dick.
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>>152071696
I still have north of 200 gold apples alone.

I haven't needed to go hard grinding events to get what I want, and I don't really use them to grind materials outside of events either.
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>>152071648
Did Archers have riding, or was it just lancers and Sabers? If Archers didn't naturally have riding, then your post is off mark.

I think all of the knights get magic resistance, two of them get riding, and Saber is supposed to be the most balanced all around while lancer and archer each trade off for something.
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>>152071696
main 109
alt 114
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>>152071696
200. I've used apples to finish events when I couldn't with natural ap, and to level a few servants to 90 that I really liked and couldn't resist maxing quickly. But I haven't felt a need to use any more. If they do another half ap for QP, I might spend a bunch because skill leveling is rough.
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>>152071939
Yes, and?
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>>152071975
Sabers and Riders generally have Riding. Some but far from all Lancers do. I don't recall any Archers with Riding.
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>>152071696
209 gold apples
23 silver and bronze
I usually burned out from farming before 100% clearing a shop on the last few days. I very rarely use apples outside of events.
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Scathach.
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>>152071975
>Did Archers have riding
No. IA and MR. Lancers get Riding, though.
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I only knew of Romulus from his legend with his brother but I just read the first few parts of the Ab urbe condita libri and he's much cooler than I thought.
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Nobu a CUTE.
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Best archer
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>>152072227
I bet you drink scat in your coffee.
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Daily reminder to burn down your empire and kys!
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>>152071696
Main has 29 or so golds, 15 or so silvers, 9 bronze.

Alt has 70+ Golds, 30 silvers, and 30 bronze.
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Umu.
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>>152072201
How would my post be off mark if all i'm doing is refuting the claim that all Knight classes have riding? My claim is that some do and some don't such as Billy The Kidand that Pirates should definitely have it but they don't because DW is fucking shit.
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>>152072227
Caster Scathach when
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>>152072431
>kys
Fuck off twitter.
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>>152072287
How is he in his legend?
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>>152072201
That's not the point being made exactly. He said its strange Tamamo gets riding while Anne Bonney doesn't as Archer or Rider. Tamamo gets riding since that is a lancer pre-set ability. Voyager takes the place of riding for pirates as Rider. While archers don't naturally get riding, so she wouldn't have it there either.

Seems Nasu wants to draw a line in the sand that fighters can ride many things, but pirates can only ride boats. With the sole exception of Francis Drake so far who possesses both skills, since she's special.
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>>152072750
I mean that I only knew that he was this abandoned royalty rescued by a wolf and brought up by a kind shepherd and then eventually founded Rome. I didn't know he waved war and was this great king.
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Post supports.

Mine doesn't get me as much FP as I hoped.
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>>152072810
>Tamamo gets riding since that is a lancer pre-set ability.
It isn't, though. Only a handful of Lancers have it. Arturia, Bryn, Karna, and Hector are the only other Lancers that have it.
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>>152072961
Don't forget the rape of the Sabines. ROMA must have been a pretty chill place.
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Family bonding.
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A few weeks ago I made this, now with some fixes here and there and include all damaging NP servant (Why else would you want to raise non SSRs?). Hope I didn't miss anyone.

Stat is calculated at level 90, the most cost efficient for non SSR servants.

*Ignore defense
**Against special trait (bonus against divine, dragon, etc)
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>>152072810
>Tamamo gets riding since that is a lancer pre-set ability.
Magic reistance is a Lancer set ability. Riding is something they have to bring in themselves. You don't catch Cu with a riding ability in FSN and you don't catch Scathath with it either.
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>>152073229
Organize that shit by damage with best at top and worst at bottom so I don't actually have to read it
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>>152073229
>Siegfried's damage
Good lord.
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Have Benkei's material pages been posted anywhere? I'm interested to see if he kept his NP stealing or multiplication NPs. Overall, he was pretty broken with everything he had. With a top class master, he could seal a Servant's NPs, steal their main melee weapon if they had one, multiply himself up to seven times with no strength lost, and then erase them into nothingness.
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>>152072979
Still don't have a proper gold lancer yet sadly
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>>152073229
Also, all non gold or welfare servant at level 5 NP modifier

>implying you have NP 5 CasGilles, CasCu, or Bedi
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>>152073081
You know that's rapt as in kidnapping. The women were promised things for their hand.
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>Ea classified as a staff in new materials
They're gearing up for Caster Gil in Babylon with full speed I see.

Please let Caster Gil be an old wise man who isn't a retard
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>>152072979
Happy with how much I get considering I just put up characters I like.
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>>152073229
Please tell me you didn't forget class modifiers.
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>>152073229
>Tesla
>No Overcharge modifier

What in the actual fuck are you doing?
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>>152071696

I used a lot during half ap Chaldea, the opportunity was too good to let it pass.
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>>152072979
I get quite a lot with mine.
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Who is the best erotic brown servant and why is it Nitocris?
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Smile of the Goddess
Rank B, Anti Unit
Range: 1-20, Targets 1

Smile of Stheno, the very allure of the goddess which could enslave any warrior with a single blow, sublimated as a Noble Phantasm.
Regardless of whether you were a hardened brave or an incorruptible gentleman, as long as you were a man, you would be slayed (metaphorically) by her. It is the most powerful of whispers, filled with expressions of love.
Her faint melancholic gaze turning to blades, her mellifluous voice dripping with poison.
And after that comes the killing blow - as though dropping all pretenses, she strikes an adorable pose. Making a heart symbol with her fingers - a perfect finish!
Most men would fall to such an attack, though in the event one did not, she would become very cross (but do little else).
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>>152073672
>implying it wasn't both
ROMA cucked an entire tribe in one fell swoop.
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>>152073229
0.23
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>>152071696
55.
And I don't even have my waifu at bond 10 yet.
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>>152073229
Anon, you messed up on calculating for the pirates. You don't multiply their damage by 6 times or 12 times, it's additive. So it only doubles their NP damage at most.
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>>152072979

Changed Scat for Diarmuid for the meantime since I got the wood drop CE from tickets.
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>>152071696
~140
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>>152074091
Later romans and sabinians united though and became one people.
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>>152074073
she's a gold though
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>>152074081
Emiya Alter would wreck her shit. He fights with his eyes closed. Anyone who does fucks her over.
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>>152073824
As in 0.1 damage pinalty for Caster? Didn't calculate that because this chart is to compare servants with similar NP in the same class.

>>152073847
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>>152073708
No wonder Shirou couldn't copy EA, he only understands swords, not staffs.
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>>152073229
This doesn't include defense down from np or skills does it.
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I cast Dick
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>>152074264
We know what Emiya Alter looks like?
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HOWTHE FUCK DO YOU PRONOUNCE CU CHULAINN AND SCATHACH
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>>152074437
You've been one all your life anon.
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>>152074340
He can trace everything, it's just way way easier with swords for him. Remember Rho Aias.
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>>152074264
Literally any Heroic Spirit would wreck her shit. She is weaker than Angra Mainyu.
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>>152073229
>Pirate sluts
>Archer
>149122.45
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>>152072979
Haven't gotten much FP lately, but I don't really care, I already rolled the Manjew long ago.
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>>152074509
Koo Koo-lann

Su-kah-ha
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>>152074208
Oh well, that means Archer pirate sluts still losing to Robin.

>>152074423
Nope.
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>>152074509
Fucking google it.
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>>152074509
Ku Fuling
Skahasa
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>>152072773
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>>152074081
Basically it's a love spell they shoukd of just made it last 2 to 3 turns in game instead of having a shitty chance to instant kill males
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Is trading for QP in the event shop cost efficient?
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>>152074570
She has EX luck and EX magic. She's still a divine spirit.
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>>152074509

Koo Hooling
Sukasaha.
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>>152074509
>Cu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cuchulainn-audio.ogg
>Scathach
http://forvo.com/word/sc%C3%A1thach/
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>>152071696
0 before starting this event and haven't used one for now. I'll use them on the last two days if I'm missing something taht I want.
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>>152074729
Not really
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>>152073229
>Nero >>>> Gawain

G A W A I N F A G

B T F O
T
F
O
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>>152073229
Someone on BL made one of these a long-ass time ago, and I bet they're still updating it.
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>>152074081
Doujin when
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I wonder how many volumes they'll need for the inevitable revised GO materials after they shut down the game where they compile everything from card art, these profiles, in-game profiles, and whatever else.
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>>152074485
We have this design, but they may end up changing it. For now though, he has his eyes covered.
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>>152074939
That's a card-blackened EMIYA, not EMIYA Alter.
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>>152072604
not soon enough
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>>152073229
Everything should be multiplied by 0.23*
Gawain's actual Atk buff is 32% Atk and 30% Buster with both Numeral and Charisma, not 50% and 12%
Kintoki is only 700%
Raiko miss the anti-Earth/Sky and Demons of the third skill, but I don't know if a enemy with both Earth/Sky and Demon gets only 1 bonus, both as additive or both as multiplicative
Tesla miss the anti Earth/Sky of the np
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>>152074734
And? A divine spirit that couldn't even protect herself from a couple of warriors with axes.
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>>152072979
I get a decent amount of FP
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>>152071440
With one of my mistresses, of course. You know, like sailors have a girl in every port.
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>>152074509
Don't try and make sense of potatonigger names. Remember they insist that Cumhail sounds like Cool
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>>152074813
>scahach

Then why the fuck is there a t in her name I don't get those celts.
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>>152074568
I know, it was for the fun.

But Rho Aias is a special case anyway. He only remembers swords in his RM, so while he can copy what he sees, he wouldn't be able to produce a staff away from the source.
But he can make a number of shield projections of Rho Aias?
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>http://pastebin.com/E1EDWdY6

Finally finished pimping my island, so back to this thing. Updated with Shuten, Erik, and the part of Mata Hari I finished before running out of time.

Current queue:
1. Mata Hari
2. Jack
3. Atalanta
?. Altera, someday
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>>152074734
>EX magic
Doesn't matter when she can't use it for anything.
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>>152072979
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>>152071696
0 apples. I used them to build the island and farm. To be fair, I went through more than half doing the 1/2 AP to Grail Ascend this bird.
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>>152075347
I think she could spam her NP a lot not going to help her win but it would be funny
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>ScatAss first skill increase her crit damage by 300% at lvl 10

Isn't a little bit too much ?
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>>152075330
Could try doing some of the summer servants if you can
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>>152075038
>Kintoki is only 600%
I need to double check my posts, triple check if necessary
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>>152075294
>>152075251
Its because the Irish language is fucking shit. th together in the language makes in kinda silent. Haven't had to use the language in years and I hope I never have to again.
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>>152075474
try reading it again anon
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>>152075474
Anon, i think you might be retarded
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>>152075326
>He only remembers swords in his RM
All types of close combat weapons get stored in it.
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>>152075474

It doesn't.
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>>152075474
>Scathathfags have to delude themselves in order for her to not be s hit

More at 11
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>>152075038
Just changed Gawain's buff, the result is the same.

Kintoki has 700% modifier in that chart

Here for Tesla >>152074324
Yeah, not sure how Raiko's Earth/Sky-Demons bonus works, but it's kinda too situational and not highly reliable anyway.
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>>152075474
>scatfags are this dumb
You don't have to keep remembering us.
Last night delusions about her lore was enough.
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>>152075767
she's a 10.0 on the "Makes my dick hard" tier list so that's all that matters
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Think we'll ever get any DAA's as Servants? Obviously not as Heroic Spirits, but maybe some countering evil force or something. With the whole "no DAAs (seemingly just the organization and not the individuals) and Servants in the same universe thing", maybe universes with DAAs would get recorded somehow.
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>>152075330
>"Ah... No... Master, hold my hand..."

Lewd until the very end.
So cute for such a weak servant
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>>152075767
>Trying to be worse than a waifushitter
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>>152072979
How can I improve this?
I'm still levelling Lancer Alter and will replace Fionn with her eventually.
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>>152074081
So I guess euryale will be metaphorically shooting a arrow though the heart Cupid style
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Where was fgog at when Rukia lost the Ichigbowl
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>>152075767
Would you take responsibility for the Midsummer Mistake?
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>>152075615
>>152075673
>>152075730
>>152075767
>>152075889
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>>152076132
I see. When speculating on the nature of the Fate/ setting, I think I’d like to consider the bigger whole that is the TYPE-MOON multiverse. For example, when talking about a being that will lead the humanity to destruction, it’s easy to think of Primate Murder [1], so does this mean that it’s possible that we’ll see the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors [2] come into the story?

Nasu: Ahh… [laughs] The only thing I can say right now is “it’ll happen when it happens”. Originally, TYPE-MOON fantasy is supposed to be “the story of a person or a city,” and doesn’t involve large-scale stories. I would even say I was trying to avoid “epics,” since I was writing based on fantasy tales [3] from the 80s and 90s. That being said, FGO is no longer the story of an individual, but a story that can easily reach the scale of the entire world. So it wouldn’t be strange at all to bring out Primate Murder. Throughout all the settings, there are a lot of things where I’d think, “I can’t bring this into the story. That would be like bringing in Godzilla!” but if it’s FGO, it’s not out of the question. So if the time is right, even the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors might show up.
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>>152076332
>Mashu not gold
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>>152071696
I have 50 left, use more than 100 ascending my bronze and silver servants
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>>152076367
>reddit.wikia
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>>152076367
This is why you don't use the wikia, senpai
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>>152074939
Cu Alter not being furry Cu nixes that idea.
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>>152076416
I will complete Camelot eventually. Also need to level Mordred.
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>>152076367
retard
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>>152076367

>trusting reddit: the wiki

As expected of Scatfags.
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>>152076351
Not giving a shit about Bleach
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>>152076532
That isn't normal Cu Alter, that's fanfiction Cu
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>>152075889
>Being worse than a waifushitter
Pathetic-anon, is that you?
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>>152076586
>Oh, but I will trust a fuckign chink wiki
Fuck off
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>>152076367
>not using cirnopedia
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>>152076675
>normal Cu Alter
All Alters are fanfictions.
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>>152076675
Alters are fanfiction basically be definition.
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>>152076490
>>152076527
>>152076584
>>152076586
To be fair I tried Cirno first but didn't find Scathach in the Assassin class, should've looked harder I guess.
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Do you think there's any single Servant that hasn't been maxed out at level 100 by someone?
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>>152076689
That's the datamine wiki retard.
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>All of the 5* receive awesome custom attack animatons and slick NPs
>meanwhile Altera
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>>152076689
Don't go any further, you're embarrassing yourself.
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>>152076829
Mashu
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>>152076689
>fuckign chink wiki
spoken like a true redditor
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>>152076884
Wait for Extella's release.
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>Best Okeanos 3*
David
>Best London 3*
Jekyll
>Best America 3*
Billy
>Best Camelot 3*
Bedivere
>Best Event/Gacha Added 3*
Fergus
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>>152072979
i get only around 200 FP but im only at around 48/61 friends.
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>>152076868
>>152076897
>>152076926
A wiki is a wiki you stupid fucks. They're all prone to mistakes, so stop shitting on me when you trust one youreselfs.
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>>152076132
>With the whole "no DAAs (seemingly just the organization and not the individuals) and Servants in the same universe thing", maybe universes with DAAs would get recorded somehow.

DAA's will never be recorded

Its talked about in F/SF that DAA's or DA's are the living erosion of human history. Imagine the throne, the place where humans and human shit are recorded. DA's are as anti-human as it comes, they scratch up and destroy the records, they don't mesh.

DA's only thrive in worlds where human history is already eroding in some ways it seems.
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>>152076803
Just scroll down instead of looking by class.
She's between Mordred and Kiyohime.
Servant 133 between 132 and 134.
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>>152076367
Not even reddit uses the reddit wiki
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>>152077087
>youreselfs

Fuck
I told you anon.
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>>152077087
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>>152076351
>Orihime won
>Chitoge won
>Hinata won
>Erina will win
I was in the winning team
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>>152076884
>Arturia
>Vlad
>Jeanne
>Waver
>Gil has been in the game since launch but wasn't released until later
>Altera is the only 5* from launch that hasn't gotten new animations
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>>152077130
Yeah, but I was fooled by the reddit wiki before.
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>>152077087
Your next trick will be you pretending to be retarded
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>>152077087
pluginretard-anon, is that you?
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>>152077087

Stop, just stop.
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>>152077119
I was thinking recorded somewhere else, like if the Beasts that are counter to Star Heroic Spirits happen to have their own non-throne place they come from. DAAs being Beasts who destroy human history seems to fit in with Stars being those who save it or whatever.
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>>152077337
>Hinata won
Anyone who thought she's not gonna win was fucking retarded
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Please make her shit again, DW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmdn7JrD3n0
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>>152077228
>>152077278
>>152077395
>>152077407
>>152077445
>>152077471
I.e.
>I have no fucking argument and I'm going to fucking nitpick over fucking grammar mistakes.
Fuck off
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>>152077641
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>>152077641
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They added the Asanagi doujin with Shuten and the foot doujin yesterday.
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>>152075840
Gawain's with 32% Atk and 30% Buster is about 94447.782
And for Kintoki see >>152075559 (Me)
He still doesn't have an NP interlude, only a Quartz one
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Riding the wave.
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>>152075024
Did we get color images of Sanson, Martha and Kintoki too?
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>>152077497
>Three Arts buffs

Not particularly impressive really
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>>152077497
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>>152076829
benkei
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So is Shielder Saber now possible with her shield being reveled?
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>>152078191
I doubt we're ever going to get another Shielder in this game.
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>>152077497
How was this even possible?
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>>152078239
We are
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>>152077497
>Mordred is the worst swimsuit guise
Where are you faggots now?
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>>152072979
Get at least 200-400FP on login, it ranges from Tesla, Nobu or Okita when FP is gained.
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>>152077478
>Anyone who thought that the generic shy girl who hardly interacted with the hero and needed a movie full of new flashbacks and that the love the hero had for the main heroine was just he trying to one up his rival who never gave a damn about her was not going to win was a fucking retard
right
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>>152078239
Probably once part two starts. Achilles is mentioned to qualify for Shielder, so he'll probably be one likely to get in eventually.
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>>152078191
We'll get an SSR Saber in every class. Gotta keep the cash flowing in.
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>>152078296
Three Arts buff, NP gen buff, NP hits multiple targets multiple times.
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I have Servants with 10 available bond levels, but they seem to have stopped increasing at 5. Is there something I need to do to increase beyond 5?
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>>152078239
Achilles is already confirmed possible as Shielder

Although Ironically I don't think there'll be another one as good as Mashu, since she's heroine.
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When will my King come home form the war?
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>>152078382
She got a fucking NP gain buff earlier today.

>>152078296

This is also using a special setup with like 3 Casters who buff her damage and NP gain even further. You usually won't use such "tactics".
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>>152078191
No. Archer Saber is hopefully the last one.
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>>152078535
I'll burn him exactly five minutes after this post. Roll and he will be transferred to you.
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>>152077972
okay nice, footjob then-

>they cut her arms and legs off

ok, goddammit, not falling for that again
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>>152075370

What's your friend code? I want to use a Grail Ascended best bird since mine is only level 80 so far.
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>>152078518

Nigga, they're increasing, but at a really slow pace.
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>>152078452
>>152078519
Other Servants qualifying for Shielder does not mean we're going to see more Shielders in FGO.

In gameplay terms, Shielder exists as a perfectly neutral class pretty much for the sake of making sure the newbies always have at least one Servant that isn't going to get fucked over by the enemy's type.
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>>152076963
Why are 3*s so hard to get now?
I just want the Hassans.
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>>152076829
Geronimo
>>152078130
I saw a random lvl 100 Benkei in my list a few says ago
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>>152076680
Yes it's me
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>>152078758
>Implying they aren't gonna release Achiless Shielder for Quick Flavor and Artoria Shielder for Buster Flavor
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>>152078630
We're guaranteed at least one direct Artoria spin-off every four months.
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>>152077087
>>152077641
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>>152071696
190 gold, 47 silver and 63 bronze.
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>>152076829
Haven't seen a Fergus at all suprisingly.
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>>152078630
Ayako confirmed at least 3 more
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>>152076829
Mozart.
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>>152078630
who is the archer saber?
Is it the Demon Saber mix from the gag comic?
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>>152078914
>>152078971
Only Grand Saber left.
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>>152076689
>>152077087
Fucking scatfags I swear they are redditors in the core
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>>152079000
Swimsuit Saber you dumb fuck.
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>>152078742
OK, thanks. I must've had the wrong impression since they hadn't visibly moved in a while, even after a big fight.
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>>152078630
>Last one of the franchise's main cash cow.

Anon, you're adorable.
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>>152077641
Fuck off Nguyen
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>>152078758
They're also neural against everything, so they're really only truly great for tanking. That benefit balances out a bit so it's not like a team of sheilders would be ultra OP.
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>>152079101
>>>/lgbt/
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>>152077497
>All those buffs for NP gain
>"Wow look at me NP spam"
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>>152078674
Perhaps this could help then?

https://exhentai.org/s/edd902c150/965375-6

Better pray that this is only a glimpse of what we have in store down the line.
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>>152079067
Lancer ,Archer, Grand Lion and one more
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>>152078630
>still no caster, beserker, avenger, ruler, alter ego
Heh, good one anon
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>>152079182
Which is why I specifically mentioned newbies. Back in Fuyuki and maybe in nerfed Orleans you can get by on neutral damage. Of course by the time you hit Camelot that strategy is going to be less effective.
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>>152079081
Oh, that piece of shit. I forgot the useless trash once I rolled it.
I thought it was something interesting from a datamine. Like Archer Alter.
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>>152077972
I don't see it, is it in chink? I have that filtered.
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>>152079227
That's better, thanks anon.

But really I just want something fluffy and vanilla.
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Help it's my first time dying.
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>>152079349
>I forgot the useless trash once I rolled it.
I bet back in elementary school you told everyone on the playground that your dad worked at Nintendo or Sony or something.
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>>152079349
>once I rolled it.

anon

I think it's time you went to sleep
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Which Servants become surrounded by an energy and begin floating before using their NPs? Nobu and Gil are two.
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>>152079349
You rolled a servant that won't be out until next week?
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>>152077478
>Sakurafags
>Fucking retarded
Makes sense
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>>152079507
Left is give up.
Middle is revive with Command Seals.
Right s revive with Quartz.
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>>152079298
Tiamat
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>>152079507
How? Which mission is this?
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>>152079614
Kill yourself rinshitter
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>>152079349
Not bad
I give it 7/10
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>>152079349
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This event is so boring
Haven't even unlocked the first scat yet
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>>152079693
Thanks
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>>152077972
Asanagi draws some nice chicks but I hate his snuff and rape themes. Same with shindol. Shindol's prime was his vanilla stuff, like the librarian one or the cripple one.

>>152079480
Sadly I don't see Shuten as someone that will get vanilla stuff. I'm hoping for some soft femdom/vanilla stuff but I won't have my fingers crossed
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>>152078758
There are only this many Servants.
Eventually we'll get them in other classes like Kiyo Lancer or Ass Scat.

Shielder Achilles is totally possible.
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>>152079349
shitposter-san, is that you fishing for the (You)s?
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Its been leaked that the 400 day event gacha is Ruler Kotomine. Do you whale for it?
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>>152079871
Yeah I share the same feeling about Asanagi. He draws good traps tho.
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>>152079871
Did you read the recent Happy End? Totally fine and pretty hot for the first or so half. Then the pig shit started. Again.
It's like he's voluntarily ruining good doujins.
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>>152080060
>totally fine and pretty hot for the first or so half
not really

it's the same fucking "lol women are so stupid only good for breeding" shit he does in every doujin

Once you've read one thing by him you've read everything by him. He even draws every girl the exact fucking same and just swaps wigs
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>>152078897
>Achilles Shielder
>When they can choose a superior one from Greek lore
No thanks
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>>152077972
>Checks Sadpanda
>Nothing but the foot fetish doujin

You lie anon. Where is it?
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>>152079439
Yeah they're not translated. At least the one of the foot fetish from F/GO has 0 content to read
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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=58507565

Would you get a saint pregnant?
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So will we get an anniversary event at the end of the month?
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How is my luck if I haven't used a single apple in this event?
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>>152080178
Your servant is already in the game and has an archer version coming in 2018, fuck off barafag
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>>152080167
Hey, I liked the fact that the girl knew she what she was getting herself into but still did it.
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>>152079743
>The other Sakurafags are also retarded
Sasuga
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>>152079842
Also, worth noting that your Command Spells will be replenished by one each day.

When I first started, I was under the impression that CS was gone for good when you used it and continued to be under this impression for a month or two.
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>>152080296
What

The anniversary already happened
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>>152079480
I like fluffy and vanilla too, but expecting the first doujins with a literal semen demon to be anything but wild sex driven by lust is too much.
That being said there's this Okita doujin that's on the sweet side, moon only though:

https://exhentai.org/g/954535/beecf809fe/
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>>152080181
https://exhentai.org/g/965089/1e1b0449fa/
There's the Granblue one too
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>>152080521
400 days you retarded fucking rinfag.
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>>152079953
Its been b-e-a-u-(pitiful)

>>152079527
>>152079561
>>152079610
>>152079767
>>152079773

I apologize for my mistake

I have the Pirate booty archers, and I'll whale the saber next week. C'est la vie.
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>>152071696
Yeah, well I could hoard apples too if I didn't have to ascend gold servants all the time. It takes a lot of renewed AP to get the EXP and mats for 13 5* Servants. Not many will ever understand the struggle of having so many golds. I wish you could all know my pain.
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>>152080387
>>152080060
>Defending this plot
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>>152079953
He is not me, I rathed him there >>152079767
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>>152079743
W E W
E
W
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>>152080580
>https://exhentai.org/g/965089/1e1b0449fa/

No wonder I couldn't find it. It was hidden in a Kancolle cover

T-thanks! Kinda wish it was a full on victim girls
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>>152080706
>oh curse my shit luck
>having all of these damn golds

Fuck you, anon
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>>152080167
>it's the same fucking "lol women are so stupid only good for breeding" shit he does in every doujin
That's kind of the point.
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>>152080706
I haven't had to farm materials since the game started. You should use those apples to clear the shops instead.
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>>152080896
At least ShindoL has shown he's actually capable of not being a total edgelord once upon a time
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>>152080167
So he has his niche and this bothers you?
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Is there any servant who would qualify for every playable class in this game?
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>>152080706
I'd hate you but I know what you mean
Rolled my first 5* this and levelling them is a pain

It was so easy maxing out silvers and bronzes
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>>152080870
Please don't bully

Can't you see I'm a victim here?
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>>152078758
Aias should be the obvious choice.Most iconic shield in the series probably.
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>>152080840
>he added ibaraki too
What a piece of shit
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>>152080706
I have troubles maxing every servant don't worry anon. It's either some mats or the goddamn EXP cards. 1/2 AP dailies can't come soon enough
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>>152081075
Scathach
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Will you whale if we get a SAO cross over fgog?
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>>152081075
Did EMIYA ever get a license to drive
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>>152080639
So then you just called the Pirates shit?

You're digging a grave here bigger than your body laddie
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>>152081075
Arturia
Takeuchi's Privilege EX
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>>152081079
That horrible moment when you're trying to get from Level 80 to 90 and burning 10 4* EXP cards doesn't even get the job done.

5* EXP cards when?
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>>152081204

With all due respect, you are free to go back to /a/.
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>>152081204
cancer
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>>152081075
I think Heracles is the only one that comes closest
>Shielder
>Avenger
>Saber
>Archer
>Lancer
>Rider
>Assassin
>Berserker
With the key exceptions being Ruler and Caster
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>>152081204
>someone took time to draw this
SAOtist should die
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>>152081280
SOA is not discussed on /a/.
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>>152081275
If DW gave us 5* EXP cards they'd be out of business within a month
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Your daily login rewards are ready, senpai
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>>152081204
I would only whale for a Hei Assassin servant
and Medaka Box collab
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>>152081257
I would hope my grave is bigger than my body.

Your free to like them, personally I grailed raitas sin against breasts to lvl 100.
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>>152081383
It is. Daily.
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>>152081000
And what's the problem with sticking to what you like? If you want porn that isn't about women that stop worrying and learn to love the dick, there are a million other people out there who cater to other fetishes.

Hell, it's better someone stick to that kind of shit than have a vanilla artist suddenly put out a faceless fat man NTR doujin.
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>mordred fires off clarent every turn
Help.
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>>152081468
Something abnormal about that Mashu
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>>152081075
Brynhildr.

Seriously, you don't even need to go Alter to justify anything. She fits all the standard classes as well as Avenger, Ruler, and Shielder. She's already got all the qualifications for all classes.
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>>152081468
This needs a Mashu wig amd glasses shoped there
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>>152081204

I would uninstall this shit and never play again, never ever.
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How hard would you Gae Bolg her
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>>152081640
Was hoping someone'd do that since I'm too lazy
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>>152081160
I'm not sure she could be an Avenger.
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>caster scat's idle is floating seiza
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>>152081075
Imperial Privilege users.Enkidu and Gil,maybe,but not really.

Pandora cause she's the all gifted one. :^)
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>>152081645
Not nearly as hard as she'd Gae Bolg me back
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>>152081075
The guy who followed after Hideyoshi in Koha-Ace has a NP where he can switch between all 7 classes, so he's the closest not counter extra classes.
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>>152081775
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>>152081589
Having a talented artist (in one's opinion) stick to one genre, whether it be shitty or not, is not ideal. ShindoL and Asanagi would have a lot more fans of they did an even amount of vanilla and rape a stuff.
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NP2 Anne here I come!
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>>152081591

Charms, stuns, invulnerabilities, dodges, and NP drain.
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>>152081953
>he fell for the bait gacha
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>>152080304
Quite shit if you haven't skipped a single day from the event.
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>>152081884
And to add, I'm fine of Asanagi doesn't do it, he/she might not like it. But ShindoL of fully capable of doing some amazing vanilla but nope.
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>>152081884
Or maybe they can just draw what they want.
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>Mordred is not so shit anymore

Thanks DW
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>>152081593
>Shielder Brynhildr
>Saber Brynhildr
>Archer Brynhildr
>Lancer Brynhildr
>Rider Brynhildr
>Caster Brynhildr
>Assassin Brynhildr
>Berserker Brynhildr
>Ruler Brynhildr
>Avenger Brynhildr
My wallet wouldn't be able to handle that much Mamiko Noto.
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>>152082257
>still haven't rolled her
Goddamnit
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>>152082179
Quality spellcheck. I hate phoneposting
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>edgelords defending their edgy doujins
Fuck off to /h/
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>>152081953
Wrong Archer
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>>152082113
I probably let AP overflow around 30 hours so far this event, I keep forgetting to log in and use it.
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>have a dream where I rolled gold caster tesla and archer cabbage

Why do I always have good luck in my dreams
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>>152081748
I like it.
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>>152081075
Exclude the special class such as Ruler and Avenger, I think the hardest one to be qualified as your extra class is Caster. Most legendary heroes fight with various weapon, but magic user usually some kind of specialist. Thus, heroes like Hercules not qualified to be a Caster.

But we already have Caster Cu. He also noted to fight on his chariot. Actually he has a charioteer, but I'm sure if he can stay still and killing people left and right in a chariot, he can ride something, at least a horse. I'm also sure Cu at least has used sword and bow a few times and can sneak into enemy territories.
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>>152082464
smt collab fucking when.I will never forgive mementendo for fucking smt x fe
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So, uh, I am the bone of my sword?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090908-taiwan-sword-video-ap.html
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>>152082420
What's wrong about women who want nothing more out of life than to be a cocksleeve?
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>>152082464
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>>152082363
>>Berserker Brynhildr
I'd be kinda interested in that just for the possibility of Bryn making lewd grunting noises.
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>>152082451
>Haven't dreamt about rolling the gacha so far

I guess I'm still not that obsessed, right?
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>>152082567
>I will never forgive mementendo for fucking smt x fe

What's so bad about SMT X FE. We got the best MARTH
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S-Suki

thread

Farming metal now, and I can appreciate her so much more. Love her
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Is being a skilled hunter enough to qualify a hero to be able to be summoned as an assassin?
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>>152082745
Doesn't have to be that, could just be a Bryn that's unable to recognize the difference between Sigurd and not Sigurd. And deciding to kill all these annoying Sigurds.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>152082906
hassan thread?
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>>152082906

Fuck off, Hassan. I mean it.
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>>152081783
Tokugawa Ieyasu?
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>>152082906
Forgot pic
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>>152082962
I believe that the GO requirement for being an assassin is 'killing without fighting', so to some extent a hunter qualifies. Though a knight class would probably fit better.
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>>152082962
Is throwing your toys out of the cot in bland rage enough to merit the berserker class.

In seriousness, no, it would be a personal skill for whatever class that did get jammed into.
>Like Robin Hood subversive actions
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>>152082985
Did Cu call her an old woman?
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>>152083280
He's not wrong.
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>>152082979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fregoli_delusion

Now that's a legit Mad Enhancement EX
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>>152082363
II don't think she'd pass as a Ruler. Too crazy from the start. Unless the class itself changes her mental state from what she's like as a Lancer, she's most likely not gonna be making it into that class under natural circumstances.
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>>152082363
>>152083764
You have to qualify as a saint to be considered for the Ruler class dont ya?

>>152083750
its would explain why her berserker class has everything weak to her wouldn't it.
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New foxtail.
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Do you guys think any of the EX ranked Mad Enhancement servants is portrayed as a legit nutjob?
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>>152084054
>Brynhildr Beloved now is passive skill
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>>152084214
Spartacus. Among others.
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>>152084054
Saintly, not a canonized saint.
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>>152082882
Not him but when it was originally announced, it was billed as basically Fire Emblem with demons.

So 2 years pass from that reveal trailer with absolutely no word. We hear nothing at Directs, nothing at E3s, Gamecons, nothing. In fact, it's so quiet that people start thinking it got canned. Then in April 2015, we FINALLY get word. And it's literally nothing like what the announcement implied. It's Idolm@ster with Persona elements and FE characters.

Imagine if TM announced this big Nasuverse crossover. You see stills of all these characters fighting each other like Tohno & Saber or Ryougi & Gun God. It goes quiet for a few years. Then it resurfaces and it's Fate/Extra.
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>>152071696
275 golden, 25 silver and 12 bronze.
Any time there's something worth spending on, I never do because the game becomes incredibly boring if played with constant AP refreshes.
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>>152084214
Kiyohime
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>>152084214
Spartacus, Kiyohime, and Raikou seem to be the most diagnosably insane ones.
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>>152084054
I'm pretty sure that's more a matter of a lot of saints possessing the qualities that merit the Ruler class, but it's still correlation and not causation. The most important factor still seems to be that the servant doesn't have a wish for the Holy Grail.
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>>152084607
That would be a good thing though.
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>>152084214
Vlad, CuAlter, and Saber Gilles clearly not seems insane. Why they have EX ME, though.
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>>152084516
I said qualify, not actually be a saint.
Is that due to churches involvement in the HGWs?

Hector and others could be as recognized pagan saintly figures.
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>>152084717
What explains Amakusa?
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>>152084880
Plot device.
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>>152084719
Fate/Extra was really mediocre, IMO. I've never finished it with Casko. I did with Nero, and then Archer, but I've never been able to bring myself to do Casko's. I get like 2 weeks in and get bored anymore.

But I'm using it as an example. A lot of people would be furious if the announcement showed a hugeass crossover, and what we got in the end were two bosses while the rest was pure Fate.
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>>152084880
Japanse nationalism.
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>>152081875
Damn girl, you getting cozy and then get mad when he makes that request, what did you expect?
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>>152084214
FSF berserker Jack.

The EX rank seems to remove the limitations to normal sanity and generally has them fixated on a single point.
Sparticus - the hardest path
Tits - Motherly love
Nightingale - I will save you, even if I have to kill you
Gille - Jeanne ? Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne Jeanne
Vlad - IM NOT A BLOODY VAMPIRE YOU TWATS.
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>>152085114
She's being 3dp.
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>>152085057
Hey, you were able to play it through twice. That's a lot more than I can say.
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>>152084880
You mean about his having a wish? He wasn't summoned with one. He only developed a wish after he was summoned. Rulers not having wishes of their own is mandatory since they're meant to be arbitrators of the war.
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>>152085057
>le epic /v/ contrarian
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>>152084804
Vlad is nutters in a way. If you see his characterization in Apocrypha, him accepting his Dracula persona is so out of character it can be deemed insane.
Cu was made to be insane with a desire he never would've had while alive. It's roughly the same.
Saber Gilles is obsessed with Jannu to that level.
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>>152071525

Disengage A is even better at getting away than B, and Disengage B is even better at getting away than C

The ranks probably have different base values for whatever modifier there is for escaping, allowing for escape even in situations where the Servant might be

A) Outnumbered
B) Surrounded
C) Outpaced either on foot or by a mount
D) Outwitted

Higher ranks might even alter the number of allies that can also benefit from the skill, Darius for example has a huge army of ~10,000 so he can probably ensure that most of it gets away safely, Hector led much smaller armies but seemed to have no problem with hit-and-run tactics and breaking away from fighting with most of his troops in the Iliad, whereas Cu was never really a military leader as much as a one-man army so it's unlikely he can help that many dudes escape from a fierce battle beyond himself
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>>152084056
I wish Fox Tails artist was in charge of Casters art instead of Wada
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>>152078971

In what?

Also, remember when being able to qualify for five or six different classes was big enough of a deal that only Lu Bu and Heracles had that mentioned in their profiles? Yeah me neither
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>>152084771
How is the Billy bug triggered?
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>>152082551
Cu used his swords much more than the Gae Bolg in actual myth.
And he was wrecking Medb's army so bad in the Tain with his sling they had to come beg him to stop if they would do some nonsense involving not crossing any fords or whatever unless they could beat him in single combat instead.
I suppose there's also the bit where as Setanta he killed Culann's dog by hitting a Celtic baseball at it so hard it hit the dog in the face and flew out its ass.
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>>152080304
I got one on an early 30AP quest.

Haven't gotten once since, but still
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Fuck I'm really digging the Beach Saber and thT Berserker girl that fights hand to hand. I think I'm gonna drop 10p bucks when part 2 hits
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>>152085865
The only thing that screws Cu out of Saber class is that Bazett currently has his sword.
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>>152085221
Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like a shitty way to get around the summoning rule if a Ruler candidate is even remotely capable of formulating a wish after being summoned. Amakusa still has his wish in GO but he gets summoned as a Ruler anyway, and then that gets explained by having a different summoning system. The rules just don't mean anything and I don't know if that's how its supposed to be.
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>>152086165
It's Apo, it's all shitty ways of getting around the usual restrictions.
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>>152086150
>thT Berserker girl that fights hand to hand
yea man

oraoraoraXD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzsgJMtm3hc
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>>152086165

The rule still holds true for everyone else in 99% of circumstances, none of the other Rulers we've seen have any wish.
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>>152086316
Martha's NP is literally road roller but with a Tarresque instead of a steam roller.
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>>152085865
Then that's it, we have Cu who fit into all seven main class.

Rider Cu with Gae Bol-car when?
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>>152086316
Nice shit post
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>>152086154
That doesn't matter. He would still get summoned with it.
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>>152086462
>we will never get a Carnival Phantasm collab
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>>152086462

Cu would never qualify for Assassin, he has no feats that fit the class and his personality doesn't suit it unlike Scathach
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>>152086292
I wouldn't call it the usual restrictions when Apoc is where the rulers come from.
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>>152086316
cancer
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>>152086620
The Ruler concept wasn't introduced before Apo?
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>>152086783
No.
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>>152086492
No, he wouldn't. This exact kind of scenario (where the NP still floating around bars the Servant from getting it) is sort of a major plot point in Fate route.
>>152086783
Nope. In the original design for an MMO, it was made specifically for Jeanne as a Final Boss raid.
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I have a micropenis, is there any female servant that wouldn't laugh at my pathetic 2.1inch dick?
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>>152086986
Nursery Rhyme, Jackie, The Baby Hormunculus mat and Helene on a good day
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>>152087106
>Helene
Who?
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>>152086154
Didn't he have another one aside from Fragarach?
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>>152086970
The MMO would have been a disaster but I would have loved to play it.
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>>152087165
New servant
I meant to type in Helena
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>>152086970
Correct me if I'm wrong but it happened like that in Fate because Saber wasn't dead yet, and thus not a proper Heroic Spirit.
Hence why she was summoned with her body etc.
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>>152086970
>This exact kind of scenario (where the NP still floating around bars the Servant from getting it) is sort of a major plot point in Fate route.
The reason Arturia doesn't have Avalon is because of her not being a real heroic spirit and because she lost it during her life. It still existing isn't what stops her from having it.
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>>152086165
It would probably be easy to bullshit a way around it, like saying the Grails in GO are not quite the same as the Einzbern Grail in Apocrypha and that the system is more permissive because of it.

From what I understand, there's a good chance the Ruler class is man-made anyway. As in, it's not derived from one of the Grand classes but was instead developed later, most likely as part of the development of a Holy Grail. And if the Ruler class is man-made, then it's not unreasonable to think that the qualifications for who gets to be a Ruler could be manipulated to some degree.

That's just some bullshit reasoning on my part for why stuff like this could easily be handwaved. Although doing it like this could also have major ramifications for the rest of servant lore. Whatever.
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>>152071674
SLEEP IN EMPTINESS, CROOKED CLOWN!
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>>152086534
>What is leaked Saber Lion (possibly Arturia Berserker)
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>>152086970

Two copies of an NP existing in the same world has never been an issue, Servants are not the real Heroic Spirit, they're just copies of them and the same is true of their NPs. The reason Saber isn't summoned with Avalon is because that's just the way it is due to her myth of having lost it.

Yes, other Servants sometimes get summoned with things they lost in life, too, but it's always on a conditional case - Karna has his armor, but he has to give it up just like in his lifetime in order to use Vasavi Shakti. Other Servants are summoned without plenty of things that they never even lost in their lifetimes, like Heracles, because that's just the way it is.

Saber hasn't had Avalon in any of the other cases where she's been summoned either. Not across a variety of classes and timelines. This fanon that she would have Avalon as a 'real Heroic Spirit' needs to stop.
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>>152087193
The MMO would have been great.
> generations of player-made saber faces
or
> creepies that only use team lolis.
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>>152087584
>This fanon that she would have Avalon as a 'real Heroic Spirit' needs to stop.
Real Arturia has Avalon. Unless she gets summoned with it then she isn't a proper heroic spirit.
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>>152087826

Literally bullshit without any evidence to back it up for all the reasons I outlined in my post.
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>>152087584
>like Heracles
Well Heracles is a unique case since GH manifests as proof of his greatest legends. That said anything outside of the 12 labours is fair game to be added depending on class. Probably what the ??? EX NP is
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>>152087413
That was my thought. But all the classes are made-up, they limit a servants power into a container that allows for it be summoned.

Like the command seals were created after the 1st HGW to give the last servant the command to kill itself. The servants getting a grail wish was just bait to lure them from the throne.

The ruler class is my opinion was introduced by the Church to keep a safe guard on one of their holy objects, and because they like interfering with magus works
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>>152087826
GO Artoria is a proper Heroic Spirit. Unless it was bullshit, she's seemingly supposed to technically be unsummonable, so the one we summon is more akin to a guardian(CG?) according to FGOm.
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What would be the best system to run a FSN RPG? (The stories from a few threads back were pretty funny.) My friend won't stop pushing me towards Mutants and Masterminds but I thought that's for superheroes.
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>>152087413
What of the Avenger class?
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>>152087584
In FSF the true archer and rider have the same NP but one is considered to be fake because they've both been summoned?
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>>152088092
Very angry spirits end up creating something that screws with the rules
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>>152087959
>The ruler class is my opinion was introduced by the Church to keep a safe guard on one of their holy objects, and because they like interfering with magus works
The Church does not involve itself with the creation of Holy Grail imitations, and the summoning and binding of Servant familiars is a practice of magi.
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>>152088129
No. Both have the real thing because of their legends. The key difference is that Hippolyta was the true owner in her legend, so if the NP's clashed Hippolytas' would get the upper hand since she's the proper owner.
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>>152088092
And what about the "Gatekeeper" class?
how'd that work in "normal" Grail War, anyway
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>>152088313
We don't actually know. It could turn out Heracles actually wins because he had it longer or something weird like that.
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>>152088275
>>152087959
The Einzbern created the Ruler/Avenger class in the 3rd War, depending on the timeline. It's nothing to do with the Church or spirits, just Old Man Acht screwing with the rules.
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>>152078737
Sorry for the late reply. FC 652,836,534
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>just rolled Gilgamesh
is he good?
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>>152088616
I don't have a red man smug enough for this
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Why is it that every fucking update or maint it fucks my game up (crashes almost every 2 fights) and I have to reinstall like 3 or 4 times before it's working again?
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>>152088075
GURPS and other generic systems would work well.
I only have passing familiarity with M&M should do fine.
I personally did a short campaign using one of the Riddle of Steel derivative systems that worked well, but me and my friends are a fan of the gritty, pretty lethal, and crunchy system like that.
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The servants in your slots 2-6 (Not counting support) are helping you woo the servant in Slot 1

What skills/advice do they impart upon you and will you be successful?
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>>152088616
Wait, Gilgamesh not limited anymore?
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>>152088313
>>152088457

>It is said that in a battle between the sash owned by Hippolyta and the version owned by Alcides through King's Order that the "wielder of the true Noble Phantasm would win."

Nothing about how her being the first wielder giving a bonus. The point is made that one of them clearly is using an imitation and that it could be either. And since they both still have a back up unknown NP its too early to tell.
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>>152088129

It's complicated as usual but afaik the reason why one is considered 'fake' and another 'true' is because the Girdle that Alcides has is Goddess of War, but it's not really a Noble Phantasm in his hands, it's just something he has access to thanks to King's Order, which is the actual Noble Phantasm he has. It's why everything he can use through King's Order costs several times more mana than usual, I think. Think of it like Gilgamesh: just because he has a bajillion conceptual armaments in Gate of Babylon that were copied and became the Noble Phantasms of thousands of heroes doesn't mean they're Noble Phantasms, they're actually just regular conceptual weapons because they aren't representative of any hero's legend.

King's Order is representative of Heracles's legend in that it's his proof of overcoming the limits of mankind twelve times in a row, but none of the items he obtained during those trials are necessarily things that represent his legend, and thus aren't considered true Noble Phantasms. For more thought on the matter, compare with UBW, which isn't actually a Noble Phantasm since EMIYA is a Counter Guardian and possesses no legend of his own, yet UBW contains countless swords that are ranked NPs within it.

Whereas, the Goddess of War that Hippolyta holds is a Noble Phantasm in every regard because it is truly representative of her myth as a Heroic Spirit and the proof of her rank as Queen and strongest of the Amazons. It is something you could call a true Noble Phantasm.
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>>152088970
Sounds like a bullshit excuse to make Herc gimp and Gilgamesh overpowered still
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>>152088036
It's pretty apparent the type of Guardian they mean is Grand.
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Friendly reminder that Beowulf Dropping his weapons and beating the shit out of you is conceptually stronger than a sword that destroyes mountains or a spear that without fail hits someones heart
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>>152089159

Literally all it means is that if Hippolyta and Alcides fight, Hippolyta's Goddess of War would beat Alcides' Goddess of War in a direct clash. Not like Alcides has, 13 or more other NPs that he can use against her or anything.
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>>152089286
Ea is stronger
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>>152088970
No, King's Order is just the state of being able to use all his NPs, representing the Heracles' legend. Everything he has is his own NP, but that breaks the system because Servants are supposed to be limited in their usage.
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>>152088970
That's the same as saying "Herc has a noble phantasm that is literally worse than any other noble phantasm because he has to expend more mana to use it just because reasons"

also saying the pelt of the Nemean Lion isn't synonymous with Herc or representative of his legend is bullshit, it's literally the most well known artifact he had aside from Hydra venom maybe

Meanwhile nobody in reality associates any of the fucking shit in Gate of Babylon with Gilgamesh even a little bit
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>>152089286
Lancelot is stronger
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>>152088970
Don't forget that the actual usage of the NP itself is different between Herc and Hippolyta.
She gets stat boosts that put him up to Herc's level (minus her Luck stat iirc) whereas he claimed his can clash with Ea.
So it's likely that if they fought Herc's Goddess of War would just kind of shut down or get ranked down so it loses in terms of power
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>>152089286
That's what happens when all a guy's most famous feats involve breaking his sword on something or dropping his weapons and finishing the job with brute force
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>>152089491
Well the name makes it sound more like a crystalization of the act of "dropping ones weapons to brutalize a monster barehanded"
So the conceptual strength might be crazy because he's essentially making the miracle of beating the snot out of monster apply to a single target.
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>>152087542
That would make sense.
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>>152088970
But Alcides Kings order is by definition is different from GoB and UBW.
GoB and UBW are the NP, the items inside are just things that are inside, their is no connection between the owners of Go and UBW and the various tools. Hence Shirous talk back about the fact that Gil hasn't mastered a weapon.

KO - It is the embodiment of "having owned the Noble Phantasms in one's legend". He might use them more like a mace rather than some skilled user or something, but its not the use of the NP in question, its just that one is described as being fake.
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>>152089384

The NPs that are accessible through King's Order would be true NPs if they had their own profile in Alcides' status page, but because King's Order is the NP, not any of the individual sub-items within it, everything he can access through KO isn't a true NP, they're more like borrowed from other aspects of his Heroic Spirit that he shouldn't normally have access to as Archer

If he happened to have Goddess of War as a separate NP on his status page, it would be a 'true' NP for him, and it might be that way for any class in which he happens to possess Goddess of War naturally, but not as Alcides currently is.
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>>152089432
It's in the same bracket of power as Arondight though, not just that but he doens't rely on weapons so he's unaffected by being disarmed by KoH
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>>152088616
I don't know, but it's Gil, how bad could he be? If he's bad, somebody fucked up.
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Are Noble Phantasms part of any grail war system or consequence of pulling heroes from the throne
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Could Liz be an Assassin? Could Carmilla be a Caster or a Lancer?
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>>152089723
Also Caster Arturia Mahou Shoujo, because Morgana being Saberface is not enough thus we will have actual Arturia as caster.
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>>152089286
Beowulf doesn't fuck around. He'll strip down naked and beat fuckers the death just to say he can.
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>Still no CE drop
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>>152090096
Liz is Carmilla you idiot they are both Bathory
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>>152090030

They're accounted for as part of the Grail system. Since Alcides rejected his divinity and lost Godhand, the Grail had to compensate and he was granted King's Order instead. Also, the fact that NPs get their own set of rankings and even a bar on the parameter list (which nobody understands the meaning of to this very day) is more proof that NPs were deliberately designed and accounted for on the part of each grail war system
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>>152073229
Better put a watermark on that shit before Nguyen steals it.
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>>152090112
> Merlin: When Saber Lily is in danger, the Masked Britain Bishounen gallantly appears. His identity is shrouded in mystery.
Saber Lily is mahou shoujo.
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>>152090192
Same my game must be bugged. I demand compensation
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>>152089491
You'd think there be a running gag in an event where Beowulf keeps breaking weapons
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>really want to play
>One point from leveling up
>Only 1 ap

Fuck
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>>152089853
Yeah King's Order is straight up cheating. Depending on Herc's legend there's at least a couple potential Divine Constructs in there, the EX NP that he already has seems class based, NL is incredibly versatile and strong as a NP, plus similar items like the Golden Apples which grant immortality (if they're in there)

KO is straight up cheat mode on, no wonder the grail is punishing it by chugging more mana out of him.
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>>152090112
Saber Rider could be pic related
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>>152090030
Both, one and the same, neither
They are representative of the heroes legend, you shouldn't be able to see a NP and not know what heroes did that.
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>>152089286

>>152073229
Lu Bu is stronger

Hell, Lu Bu is the strongest.
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Did Herc really say, "Fuck no," to a skill so hard that he lost it?
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Could Robin fit into any other class other than Assassin? IIRC Robin Hood* has used swords and poles as weapons. Some artists attribute his Child or Lily self as Caster due to his involvement with fairies.

*probably not this loveable scamp, so Loxley maybe?
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>>152090332
>Yeah King's Order is straight up cheating.
Its balanced in several ways, for example taking several magnitudes more prana consumption than Twelve Labors.

They needed a beyond human homumcules just to use him normally, it would be impossible in any normal condition for a master to use him with king's order.

The only exception is a master who sacrificed 20,000 human lives to create a prana crystal to charge Heracles for awhile.
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>arash in the camelot boss fight has no NP gauge
This is far funner than it should be
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>>152090192

>1 CE drop
>if I get another I'll forever have an extra one that will never get maxed
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>>152089383
>>152089432
>>152090465
Ya'll cowards won't even get naked. I wanna see those dicks before you start talking shit.
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Do you have to do the whole event 3 times to unlock the other events?
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>>152090586
No, his master used three command seals to mindbreak him, along with some grail mud to finish the job.

He cursed him, warped him, and broke him so badly that he became an entirely new heroic spirit.

Normal Heracles wanted this master dead, he didn't want to give up his divinity, he would sooner kill this master and be labeled a mad and evil servant than give into what his master commanded him to give into.

However in the end, he broke.
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>>152089286
Who would win in a fist fight, Martha or Beo?
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>>152090274
Lily's personality already fits as mahou shoujo.
>inb4 Prisma Collab
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>>152090373
Only if I get a bastardization of the King Arthur Carousel music from DL/DW, and her NP is driving by quickly and wapping the enemy with her sword.
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>>152090192
>>152090640
>3 CE drops
>1 already LB and two left in the shop
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>>152090637
That actually screwed me over a bit, I built my party around only needing to fight Hassan because I assumed that Arash would die after 3-4 turns and I wouldn't need to deal with him.
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>>152090192
>>152090303
>Still haven't buy any CE
>but got 4 CE drops
Feels good
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>>152090332
Meanwhile Gate of Babylon is totally low cost because ??? despite being an even bigger cheat
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>>152089408

>That's the same as saying "Herc has a noble phantasm that is literally worse than any other noble phantasm because he has to expend more mana to use it just because reasons"

It's really not, Herc shouldn't have access to all these different NPs as an Archer, he should have Godhand instead

There has to be some trade-off that King's Order is a compensation for Alcides' distorted lack of divinity and he shouldn't normally possess any of those NPs

>also saying the pelt of the Nemean Lion isn't synonymous with Herc or representative of his legend is bullshit, it's literally the most well known artifact he had aside from Hydra venom maybe

NPs aren't just about artifacts and if you notice, Herc's normal NPs all follow a theme. It's not about the things he owned, it's about his personal feats (Godhand) and incredible fighting skill (Nine Lives). The actual objects he might have owned are entirely irrelevant to what makes him so powerful and so amazing.

>Meanwhile nobody in reality associates any of the fucking shit in Gate of Babylon with Gilgamesh even a little bit

Deal with it
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Hey, /fgog/ is it possible to find scans of this doujin? Or another with them?
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>>152090619
That's exactly why it's cheat mode. A normal master would never think of doing it.
Mafia guy doesn't give two shits, he'll sacrifice 20k in the blink of an eye.
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>>152090758
No. But please go ahead so we can laugh at you.
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Archer Arturia is being drawn by Takeuchi, right? She looks like garbage when other artists handle her. Only Takeuchi has the talent to draw her properly. She's at her most elegant, regal, and erotic in his brilliant interpretations.

Best Girl of Part 2 already confirmed.
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>>152090780
>Prisma Collab
>welfare caster Arturia Alter
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So is it more efficient to farm the 30 AP quests over the 40 AP quests for this event? I feel like I'm burning too much AP for the 40 ones.
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>>152090096
Probably, if I had to guess. They're different aspects of the same person, but summoning different aspects into the same class should still be possible unless there's some specific circumstance about the heroic spirit that prohibits a certain aspect from appearing in a certain class.

Don't really know why Carmilla would be a Lancer, but then Liz got to be one thanks to a microphone stand or something. They probably wouldn't have the same NP either, since Carmilla doesn't have IM. She might not get to be a Caster at all, also because she doesn't have IM.
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>>152071696
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>>152090776
Martha wouldn't be able to fight because Beo would be naked
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>>152091013
Fuck off, Takeuchi. You're not fooling anyone.
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>>152090860
Key difference being Heracles is extremely proficient and capable of using everything that's actually in his legend.
Gilgamesh is only proficient with Ea and Enkidu, since he's not the warrior type that Proto Gil is
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>>152091013
This pasta is stale.
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>>152090096

Old and young Li Shuwen can be summoned into both of his qualifying classes without any issues

Not as major a difference between his younger and older form as between Liz and Carmilla, granted

Liz might be totally fucked up class wise due to Innocent Monster, and Carmilla might likewise not qualify for some of the same classes due to not having that same skill
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>>152090860
or you could just read the original CM entries and learn why its low cost, instead of just going "???????? the world can never know".

He tells GoB to shoot the weapons out, the only cost or GoB is opening up the gates, which is very cheap. He doesn't use up any prana using the weapons, since he's not actually using the weapons. They're just being flung out of the gates. There's no skill, activation, or usage involved.

> Gilgamesh battles by shooting the originals of all Noble Phantasms like bullets out of the Gate of Babylon. In contrast with its shocking destructive power, the magical cost of this tactic is extremely efficient. Each Noble Phantasm is a bullet, so the only magical energy used is merely the activation cost of Gate of Babylon. Because he possesses the originals of all Noble Phantasms, Gilgamesh can assault the weaknesses of any Servant. Thus, Gilgamesh has an advantage over most Servants in combat.
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>>152091175
>>152091325
>implying that matters even a fucking little bit
Ask everyone in Fate/Zero and F/SN and Extra if not being proficient made even a little bit of difference in how overpowered

Your argument is literally "It's not a cheat because he's not using them" when he doesn't need to use them to get enough power to BTFO 99% of heroic spirits. It's a low cost ability that's blatantly overpowered.
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>>152091325
Gilgamesh is pretty stocked.
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>>152091325
If he uses them properly, like with Merodach, does the cost go up significantly?
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>>152091450

Gilgamesh was never supposed to be anything but 'blatantly overpowered,' he's meant to be the strongest Heroic Spirit

There's literally no reason to be upset about this a decade and two years after the original VN came out unless you're a newfag
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>>152091450
Yeah. And spoiler alert: there's no balance in a HGW. We've known that for over a decade. Gil is overpowered, no way around it, in-universe because he's the hero of the oldest known myth, out of it because he was final boss twice.
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>>152091629
There actually is a cost if he physically uses them, yes.

its just GoB that's cheap

Ea still uses a shit ton most likely
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>>152091450
Well, it really wasn't efficient when he fought Herk in F/SF.
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>>152090957
Why not buy it?
It looks good, if I can find it I'll probably end up buying it myself.
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>>152091683
>he's meant to be the strongest Heroic Spirit
He and Heracles are two sides of the same coin, we always knew that. Heracles is the strongest of the ''famous'' heroic spirits and Gilgamesh is the strongest of the ''literal who'' heroic spirits.
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>>152091325
>instead of just going "???????? the world can never know".
I fucking hate the people who do that in TM. They seem to have mostly cropped up in the past couple years, and whenever someone comes across something in the Nasuverse they don't understand, these shitposters just say
>lol don't think about it too hard, the universe isn't consistent, Nasu is a hack

It's so goddamn obnoxious, especially since most of the time it's either something that actually IS explained, or it comes from somebody fundamentally misunderstanding something. Which means the solution actually IS to think about it more.
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>>152091694
>>152091683
And now explain why Herc can't be overpowered without high costs without "We don't want to outwank Gil and Enkidu because that's all StrangeFake is allowed to be"
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Amazon says Fate/Extella is being released in NA 5 days after JP, is that right?
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>>152090260
I have the original excel file :^)
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>>152091902
Yes
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>>152091278
I think Carmilla might qualify as a Lancer. I'm pretty sure that Liz being one wasn't thanks to her IM, at least. Caster is tricky, since it's said that Liz did have some innate but undeveloped potential for doing supernatural stuff, but stuff like Innocent Monster and high concentration of mana may have played a part. Plus she's from a comedy event anyway.
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>>152091902
No
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>>152090596

Honestly, I doubt Robin would do anything beyond mediocre in any class besides Archer/Assassin/Caster. His fighting style does not fit Saber or even Lancer, he doesn't have the mount or extremely powerful NPs of Rider, and he would literally get no benefit as Berserker.
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>>152091902
maybe
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>>152091935
Maybe.
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>>152091902
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>>152091902
Can you repeat the question?
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>>152091869
Because the current Herc is an anomaly in the HGW.
Regular Archer Herc (NL, GH, EX NP) is enough to destroy 99.9%.
Avenger Herc got a new NP and lost Divinity for plot reasons for the exact purpose of being able to fight Gilgamesh, who is his hard-counter in the other case.
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>>152091869
>high costs
Why would that even matter? We don't know what NPs are included in King's Order. We don't know what's the EX NP. Furthermore, he's a "bad" guy, he can wipe the fucking Snowfield if he'll need more mana. Even Cu was totally fine with killing innocents for that after all.
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>>152088553

Thanks bby, sent. My ALL slot is Gil.
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Leonidas I
Warrior's Warcry: B
A morale boosting skill. Similar to the breathing techniques in karate, by way of this warcry he carries out a moral coordination.

Benkei
The Blank Subscription List
A skill that reproduces the famous episode that Benkei once managed to carry out.
He forcibly enforces a Noble Phantasm sealing order, but since he is not actually Benkei the sealing probabilities are low.

Boudicca
Protection of Andraste: A
The protection given by the Goddess of Victory Andraste.
When participating in group battles, it gives a plus modifier to all checks by Boudicca and her allies. In particular, it shows its maximum effect when waging a defensive battle.

Caster Gilles
Evil Eye from the Abyss
The final fate of Gilles de Rais that looked into the abyss and was looked back in turn.
Those eyes suffered a great metamorphosis and became a thing that spreads fear, similar to those "things" that lurk in the depths.
It is not a fear coming from violence or coercion, but because of making the "fear of the unknown" the opponent already has inside they surface. Lost Sanity indeed.

Man among men Lu Bu
Villain of Troubled Times: A
A rowdy general.

Mephistopheles
Clown's Laughter: A+
A skill derived from Innocent Monster. As a (designated) demon, Mephisto can cast an intense pressure over the human species. They would fall into a situation like they have been abandoned by luck, where if there is any chance of failing they would fail.
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>>152092272
>that looked into the abyss and was looked back in turn
NIETZSCHE CONFIRMED
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>>152092272
Is that really it for Lu Bu?
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>>152092237
>Who is his hard counter
List of servants Gilgamesh doesn't hard counter
>
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>>152090192

I have no idea what the CE drop rate is, but it's fucking me over just like the Sanzou event and Onigashima event. The last time I got a CE drop was in fucking Ibaraki.
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>>152091000
I meant the other cutscenes with the servants you didn't pick the first time.
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>>152092416
EMIYA
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>>152092484
Probably 1%

>Sanzou event

I must have been really lucky because I got two max CEs for that one.
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>>152092517
If you want to view them in My Room, yes.
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>>152092416
I worded it poorly.
I meant to say that Heracles' only hard counter (and counter in general) is Gilgamesh.
Without Divinity and with the Lion in charge od defence which negates a good chunk of GoB the odds are evened tremendously
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>>152092484
Sanzou event's part 2 CEs were shit so you didn't miss much, and if you've been around for a while the Halloween event's CE is as good if not better if you aren't giving it to a crit Servant.

Onigashima didn't need drops.
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>>152092416
Spartacus. He doesn't give a fuck about Enkidu and swordspam.
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>>152092272
I guess the real Benkei would be pretty strong but the fake one maybe not so much.
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>>152092581
Gil would destroy EMIYA, he wouldn't entirely underestimate a servant like he did Shirou
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>>152092375
Probably. The translator doesn't seem to have skipped out on anything else.
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>>152092647

Ye I supposed I got a bit lucky with my unluckiness since the Nightingale CE, among others, was absolute trash.
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>>152091902
Last I heard it was listed for that day because XSEED "had to give a placeholder date to retailers". It may or may not be the real date.
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>>152092713
Sure thing Gilfag.
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>>152092647
>tfw still grinded to get those trash CEs because my autism wants me to max the event CEs.
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>>152092641
>Heracles' only hard counter (and counter in general) is Giglamesh
>Literally would get one-shotted through all of his lives by an Excaliblast according to Ilya
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>>152092693
Yeah, Gil would never underestimate a servant.
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>>152092272
Is There a difference between Siegfried's Disengage A vs the usual Disengage B?
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>>152092859
>Insane Berserker Heracles who charges in head first at anyone
>When were talking about regular sane Heracles
lad
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>>152092641
>I meant to say that Heracles' only hard counter (and counter in general) is Gilgamesh.

This really isn't an actual fact or anything. He can have other counters, that just aren't shown yet or aren't servants yet.

Jack in F/SF claims he can counter the current version of Heracles, even though he couldn't counter the half-divine version. Its because he's human now that Heracles can lose that one potentially it seems.

Nah, there's probably more than a few guys that could have good compatibility against normal Heracles though.
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How do you think the second part of the event is going to be like? Are we going to just unlock more areas and add more stuff to the shop?

I personally hope the facilities you build in this first part will have some kind of effect in the second
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>>152076352

i'd HAVE to, why do you think it ignores invulnerability and evasion?
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>>152092859
According to Illya, Herc is also the strongest Servant in the world.
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>>152092935
How is Herc going to dodge an anti-fortress excaliblast? oh right he's not
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>>152091869

Because literally every Servant that is at the same tier of power has downright massive mana consumption, with the sole exception of Gilgamesh? Karna has insanely high levels of consumption too, and etc.

It's not like Alcides is being held back by that in the least, he has enough mana in him to last for a whole month of fights and recovery without any support from his master at all. You clearly have no clue what's actually happening in SF, because Alcides has literally performed better against Gilgamesh than any other Servant in the entire franchise. Even Saber with Avalon had a desperate struggle just to bait out Ea so that she could surprise reflect it into Gil's face. Alcides has not only casually survived all of Gilgamesh's 5 Servants + 'a' firepower in a 360 degree circle that wore down and eventually killed his Berserker form, he was downright confident that Gil couldn't beat him without Ea, literally warned him to draw it or die, and he's not just some cocky idiot.

If you think Alcides is being jobbed out because of the fact that there's a SINGLE downside to all the distortion that's happened to him, you need a serious reality check. He's doing fucking amazing.
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>>152092840
Nasu reinforced that even 99% dead EMIYA letting himself be known in the final battle of UBW would have been enough to make Gil serious about the situation so they'd have no chance of winning. Gil seems to be aware that EMIYA is an active threat even if he won't admit it outright.
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>>152093003
Arturia isn't even going to get the time to prepare it since she's showered with NL arrows from all directions
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>>152093003
Does he have to? Hes not a fortress he'll be fine
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>>152092954
>New drops to farm
>New event CEs to add to the suffering

That's what I'm expecting. What I'm hoping for is swimsuits for male servants.
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>>152093017
It's already on record by word of God that Alcides would get BTFO by Gilgamesh if he understood the gimmicks of his NP.

Herc is shit compared to Gilgamesh no matter what, the only thing that keeps it from just being over in 5 seconds is Gil's ego.
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>>152092638
Thanks that's what I thought, time to use apples.
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>>152093025
Serious Gil can't beat a serious Archer.
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>>152092859

Ilya was referring to Berserker at that moment, who only had six lives remaining. Berserker on the other hand was confident he could survive an Excaliblast if he had all his lives.
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>>152093125
The only thing on record is that Gil would've died like a bitch if it weren't for a saberface saving his sorry ass
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>>152093250
>a saberface saving his sorry ass
Who?
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Thanks Narita for inspiring a new generation of powerlevel posting!

But seriously, when is the next volume of FSF coming out?
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>>152093347
Winter.
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>>152093250
>Gil would've died like a bitch
citation needed, just because Herc brags doesn't mean shit

We're talking about the guy who was so incompetent he couldn't even lay a finger on Gil, lost a life to fucking Rin and would've lost to even EMIYA if he had targeted Ilya
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>>152093347
After the next volume of his other series which I think is October. Probably winter Comiket.
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>>152093347
Not this year
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I bet money that both Enkidu and Gilgamesh outlive Alcides in F/SF
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>>152092939

Achilles being one of the more obvious examples of a now poor matchup for Alcides since he's got no Divinity

Alcides could no doubt punch Achilles out if Achilles used his Duel Field against him, but it's uncertain that Achilles would even want to against such a dangerous guy, so it'd come down to whether Alcides can land an arrow or punch on Achilles' heel with Nine Lives or some other NP of his
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Mats book confirms that George does retain all his skills and NPs from Apocrypha's development. He only happens to only have a sword NP in GO because of course he does.
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>>152093613
Hydra venom GG, he'd get fucked up just like Chiron did
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>>152093437
>Citation needed
>“Draw the sword that lies in the deepest parts of your storage. Then we will be equals.”
>“Ea is no less than my other half. It is not a sword to use against a weakling like you.” And then, instead of the Ea the Sword of Separation, a single sword appeared in Gilgamesh’s hand. Merodach, the sword said to the original model of the legends of swords of selection in the various lands of the world. He must be planning on testing his opponent with this sword, to determine if he merited drawing Ea, his very symbol, on.
>“Prove to me that you are worthy of beholding Ea.”
>“What foolishness…you could have avoided death had you drawn it.”

I'll rather believe the guy who takes his fights seriously all the time instead of a faggot with a stick up his ass who cries about his dead friend all the time
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>>152093652
That's pretty neat, he had 3 NP's right?
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>>152093717

Oh right. Yeah that's a thing.
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I love my emperor!

Do you love your waifu /fgog/?
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>>152093735
So nothing aside from Herc's headcanon
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>>152093003
He could just jump like Iskandar did.
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>>152093613
But Achilles is at a literal disadvantage since he can't harm Heracles without a Divine Construct.
And his only Divine Construct is a shield which can be used offensively if you try to crush him with the ''weight of the world''
But legends tend to repeat themselves in Nasuverse, so Heracles will once again hold up the world.

You chose a really bad matchup to make your point
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>>152093787
He had a horse, for starters
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>>152093984

>which breaks first, the unstoppable object or the immovable force?
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>>152094009
>what's his 4th Ascension
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>>152093984
>But legends tend to repeat themselves in Nasuverse, so Heracles will once again hold up the world.
Atlas, and Heracles by extension, held up the sky, not the world. That's not going to work.
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>>152093984
Might not work out the same since Alcides has rejected his divinity.
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>>152094034
delete this
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>>152093852
is that you brain treatment anon

but yes
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>>152093787
He has 4. Ascalon and placing dragon status on enemy are different NP. The other is his horse and I forgot the last one.
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>>152093852
Yes.
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>>152094034
Is she paralyzed with a broken back.
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>>152094168
The sky, in some instances the world. Honestly depends how they adapt it.
That said Kosmos isn't the whole world. It's only the places Achilles has been to, his world. Meaning it for sure weighs even less than the sky alone.
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>>152092859
>Literally would get one-shotted through all of his lives by an Excaliblast according to Ilya
JETS here, this is actually false. Ilya was addressing the number of lives Herakles had left over. That was what, 5? Furthermore, Herakles takes what looks like an Excalibur Morgan in Heaven's Feel. If we're talking about how strong or weak someone is, we should be fair doing so.
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>>152094294
She screwed up no her surfboard so her back is sore, wait awhile for her healing factor to kick in.
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>>152093717
How's the venom gonna help if the arrows coated with the venom can't actually cause any harm to Achilles' body?
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>>152094401

How did the hydra arrows penetrate Chiron's immortality, then?
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>>152094168
>>152094302
Uranus (body of the sky) = Gaia (body of the earth)
If he held up one he can hold the other, since Greek mythology makes a clear distinction between the two.
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>>152094471
not him but Chiron was Immortal but not invulnerable in the same way Achilles was. so it might literally just be two people who can't hurt each other, with maybe Achilles being able to do harm with the shield
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>>152094471
Immortality does not mean invulnerability. Chiron was immortal, but still vulnerable to damage from non-divine stuff, he just wouldn't die.
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>>152092272
>They would fall into a situation like they have been abandoned by luck, where if there is any chance of failing they would fail.

Despair.
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>>152094401

The arrows don't have to penetrate, the venom just has to touch Achilles to begin affecting him, same as how Heracles with Godhand was affected just by putting on a robe with hydra venom in it
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>>152094302
Not really. Even Wikipedia calls people who think he ever held up the world idiots.
>A common misconception today is that Atlas was forced to hold the Earth on his shoulders, but Classical art shows Atlas holding the celestial spheres, not a globe; the solidity of the marble globe borne by the renowned Farnese Atlas may have aided the conflation, reinforced in the 16th century by the developing usage of atlas to describe a corpus of terrestrial maps.

>>152094471
He's immortal, not invincible. That shit still hurts like hell, and he ultimately gave up the immortality himself so he could die instead of suffering forever.
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>>152094471
Different types of immortality
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>>152094793
>>152094749
>>152094720
>>152094701

Nasuverse never distinguishes between immortality and invincibility, 'immortal body' is how Godhand and Achilles' NPs are both described
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>>152093119
Dear God no anything but that, I'd have to roll

I was so glad I'm completely disinterested in this gacha cos I can keep hoarding
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>>152094302
About the thing, "the world Achilles lived in" or however it was phrased, and what with it being surrounded by an ocean, I'm pretty sure pic related is what it was referring to. Not places he personally visited, but rather just this very famous depiction of ancient Greek cosmography.
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>The only golden servant that got released before new year that still don't have a bond CE is Medea Lily
>The only golden servant that got released before new year that i rolled is Medea Lily
Why did DW skip her?
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>>152094237
Yes.
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>>152095056
I've been wondering that myself. I wonder if they're trying to give her something interesting and just drawing a blank.
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>>152095060
>All those pictures with Hakuno and Caligula
braintreatment anon confirmed for cuck
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>>152094919
It also doesn't have a set definition. Heracles is immortal because he can revive. Achilles is immortal because he cannot be damaged. S&E are immortal because they do not age. Other Greek Gods did age, but had to use apples to keep themselves young but were still called immortal.
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>>152095060
I feel like i'm missing something here.
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>mfw Memedb cvucks don't even get a swimsuit CE of their waifu, just like Nero cvcks

BTFO
T
F
O

Nasu is telling you faggot to stop being cvcks and start liking actual good waifus.
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>>152095060
>pictures have her with another guy

Fucking cuck.
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>>152095183

Heracles's immortality isn't the revival part, it's his immunity to anything not above B rank

The revivals are just icing on top of the immortality cake that is his flat invincibility to most things
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>>152095284
But Nasu is a Medbfag himself anon
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>>152095323
is that jeanne alter?

OOC
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>>152095323
what did she mean by this?
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>>152095284
Scathach confirmed for top tier waifu
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>>152093613
>such a dangerous guy

Aclides retreated after getting punched out by Hippolita
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>>152094919
known immortal since she got the arthuia treatment and went into her own little world like avalon transforming into a god then later slaying gods in the process.
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>>152095475

Those are fake spoilers

I know because I'm the one who made them, as a joke
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>>152092245
You're welcome Anon.
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>>152094738
Achilles invulnerability negates all harm done to him. The poison could touch his bare skin and it wouldn't hurt him at all so long as it wasn't the skin of his heel.

By the way, wasn't God Hand a sublimation NP Heracles received as a Servant and not exactly what he had in life? Because I'm pretty sure the whole repeat resurrection and immunity to weapons ranked lower than B in the Servant system weren't abilities he had before becoming a Servant himself.
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>>152095431
Nice headcanon, Memedbkek. How about some actual evidence cnuck, instead of spreading false informatio that has already been debunked. If Nasu liked Medb she'd be good in game.
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>>152095440
>Is that Jeanne Alter
he fucking calls her Mutsu in the fucking comic Jesus anon
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Always impressive how quickly the thread can descend into shit
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>>152095284
There's maybe a dozen characters with a swimsuit Servant or CE, and there are a LOT more than that many female Servants in the game.
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>>152095582
Nasu has guys like Nightingale and Euryale on his main party, I don't think he gives a shit about tiers
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>>152095627
sorry i'm blind
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>>152093347
I wonder how nuts strange fake is going to get. You have 13 Servants, the potential for a Demi-Servant, maybe Ruler, some goddess who may be a Pseudo-Servant, and seven Servants inside Richard who will probably be used for "the 'player' summons their own various Sevants with command spells" thing from the original design somehow. And that's just everything introduced in the first three volumes, which hasn't even gotten past like the first two days. Probably'll last 20 volumes or something.
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>>152095568
Isn't that guy from that egg anime?
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>>152095579

Read the VN

It's a gift he received from the pantheon for completing all Twelve Labors, and why no one and nothing could scratch him during life
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>>152095323
i don't understand the implications of this comic or it's message. could you perhaps explain?
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>>152095323
That's just (You)rself

>b-b-but you didn't understand mah ending
>it said Hakuno is not (You) and you are a cuck

Whatever it takes to sleep at night, virgin
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>>152095269
What?

>>152095323
>>152095178
Here's your (You)s. Those are great pictures and you know it. I'm not insecure and bothered by fanart so that I can't enjoy it's beauty. You guys are such faggots. Like, holy shit anon, you're such a fucking faggot.
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>>152095660
Keep running the damage control, Medbkeker. Your slut of a waifu has been forgotten about and you'll never see anything more of her ever again.
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>>152095582
>If Nasu liked __ they'd be good in game
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>>152095795
Why are you called Brain Treatment anon?
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>>152095734
>Probably'll last 20 volumes or something
>SF will finish in 2033
Anime in 2034 confirmed
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>>152095708
>he's still running damage control

J| _ | S T
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T
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>>152095767
She spotted another guy who's better then (You)
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>Brain treatment Nerofag and that idiot that spams /tv/ memes while dodging filters because he wants the attention
Explain that shit America
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>>152095971
isn't it the reverse? That she was teasing (you) by pretending to be interested in someone else but then ultimately says that you're best?
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>>152095971
it seemed more like the reverse, spotted a guy then spotted (You) who is "better"
I'll keep note of this from now on.
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Why is the other guy so desperate for (You)s & bypassing the filters?
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>>152095898
It's true though. There is literally no evidence aside from Memedbshitter headcanon that Nasu likes Medbkek. It was never once said anywhere.
>>152095931
Because, like all Nerokeks, he has brain problems.
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>>152095582
>he still thinks gameplay matters in this waifu-collecting mobage

I'll bet this obese faggot plays Dead or Alive Extreme for that amazing volleyball simulator
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>>152096148
I genuinely pity you anon.
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>>152096090
Because nobody reports and ignores him
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w-why did everyone respond with this after I made a choice in the Garden event?
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>>152096153
>not playing a game for gameplay
>responding with Gilgameme gifs
>defending shit waifu's and their c\_/cked fans
Typical retard.
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>>152095284
>>152095795
>>152096090
samefag
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>>152096258
You just outed yourself as gay, anon

The girls are all disappointed
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>>152096153
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>>152096236
>gets BTFO'd yet again by having his shitty irish slut get ignored and forgotten once again
>i-i pity y-you
Save it, Medbshitter. You need it for yourself.
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>>152096416
I want them to volley my balls.
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>>152095931
Because I'm fucked in the head after getting a shot in the arm at the nuthouse for speaking my mind and being different in murrica. Also for having anger issues and shit parents that didn't know what they fuck they were dealing with or doing. I've seen things. I've also been off this planet I think. That's it for the blog, really don't ask more. I'm just polite and respond, but I really don't like talking about things like that and would rather discuss the game.

>>152096038
Poison in all the water and air mostly I say.
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>>152096334
>autism triggered by waifus
>shitposting on /fgog/ instead of meeting real women

No interest in 2D or 3D. Confirmed queer.
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>>152096536
Sounds like an interesting backstory
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>>152096475
No i genuinely pity you right now, i feel sad for the person on the other of this screen.

>>152096536
Ah i see, well i guess that's another thing to be thankful for. best wishes.
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>>152096580
Keep running that damage control, Medbkeker. You'll never see Memedb in anything else after this game is done with because she's so unpopular, and even in the one thing she is in, she sucks badly in, so you're completely shit out of luck. I feel sorry for you, really.
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>>152096337
Sorry, JETS only got one (You).
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>people still care about Fate

How? Tsukihime outclassed it by a mile despite having fewer resources in every possible department. It's a load of chuunibyou power fantasy garbage laced with the worst tendencies of shounenshit, which Nasu then pitifully attempts to conceal with the worst tendencies of grimderp "seinen." The only plot devices are total asspulls designed to make the characters powerful at the cost of the few inches of depth they ever get beyond their shitty anime stereotypes, if they even get much development. It's basically the Bleach of VNs. Even Melty Blood was better-written, and that was a gimmick fighting game duct-taped to a joke of a VN. Even the worst Tsukihime girl, Akiha, is miles better than any of the "waifus" in Fate.

Funnily enough, the only good thing to come out of Nasu's powerwank shitheap is Kaleid Liner, which actually knows how to maintain a consistent atmosphere and some level of tension. Funny what can happen when you hand the reins over to someone who didn't contract clinical retardation between their works.
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>>152096754
Why are you so obsessed with Medb? Maybe one person in the thread seriously likes her.
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>>152096715
What's it like drinking Fergus's leftover semen out of Memedb's loose pussy? I suppose you could stick your whole head in there as well by now.
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who /suffering/ here
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>>152096839
I always wonder how many pastas pasta-anons have saved.
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>>152096839
Is this a kopipe or the average whiny Tsukihime fan post?
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>>152096880
>>152096919
I want Medb to fuck me stupid and then cuddle me under her big fluffy coat.
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>>152096880
See my original post retard. The people responding are either Medbfags running damage control, or Nerofags, and medbfags have a history of being defensive autists. You're right though, she's so unpopular only one person likes her.
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>>152096754
>being this triggered
>to the point of crying on your keyboard as you type
>to the point that you're making a fool of yourself

Thank goodness for anonymity, right?
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>>152096839
Projection much?
That first paragraph describes Tsukihime more than it describes Fate.
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>>152096919
See now if you get this defensive and pissy and start lashing out it means i've clearly upset you with my shitty Doctor Phil act.
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How does all this powerlevel shitposting manage to keep going 24/7 in every sing thread non-fucking-stop? How do you do it?
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>>152097076
Medb got a lot of love recently after she spooked so many anons in the paid gacha

Public opinion of her improved, and that made cuckshitter choke on his Pringles in disgust and shitpost harder than ever before
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What's the point of rebuilding? Is it required for part 2 or does it give Scathach NP? Mats?
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>>152096839
>Even the worst Tsukihime girl, Akiha
stopped reading a few sentences after that
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Is there even a purpose in resetting development aside from the 20 prisms?
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>>152097098
>triggered
What a surprise, more confirmation the two Memedbfags lurking here are from >>>/r/eddit. I bet you use the word salty too.
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>>152097076
I doubt she'd want to cuddle a cheese like you.
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>>152097076
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So how much have you used for the gacha and what have you gotten?

I've spent everything we've gotten since the start of the event and got Waver and Lancer Tamamo.
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>>152097230
i think right now we're cuck posting with Melvin with a guy using his fresh Tsukihime bait
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>>152096839
Waiter, my pasta is cold and stale
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Does anybody know if the anniversary livestream has been recorded somewhere? I don't want to pay for a premium Nico account just to watch one video.
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>>152097241
Well if your jap to read the dialog from the other servants.
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>>152097261
The different scenes
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>>152097241
You get some measly amount of prisms each time you do it too (20 each?) but the main point is to view the extra scenes. There is nothing else.
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>>152097261
Aesthetics and 600 prisms.
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>>152094873
Like father like son. Also fun fact is that Lancelot's battle is what triggered Mashu to become a 10.0
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>>152097109
>biting
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At least Medb-chan has the hottest cosplayers.
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>>152097359
180 free quartz, 240 paid.
1 Lancer Kiyohime
8 Boudica CEs
6 Evil cat CEs
1 Evil cat servant (bringing me to NP3)

Colossal failure.
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>>152097514
i guess 10.0 is contagious then huh?
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>>152096669
People tell me I should write a book. I really don't want to do anything with my life. Maybe paint and flstudios if I ever get around to learning. Really hard when you only remember a few minutes and stuff at a time because of how detached you are from reality from all the brain pills.

>>152096839
I'm really, really behind on it, but it's still fun. I like it more. I should probably out that remake when it comes out soon.

>>152097076
Medb a cute fluffy.
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>>152097269
>trying this hard to fit in

This is downright childish at this point.

Why do you need the attention so badly?

I honestly pity you to the point that I want to help you now.

What is your home life like, anon?

Does your dad not hug you enough?

Does he hug you a little too much?
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>>152097097
Someone doesn't have to like a character to think you're a faggot for shitposting out of nowhere.
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>>152097636
Sounds pretty bad, atleast you're not schizophrenic
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>>152097636
Are you perhaps a little like Ryouko from Danganronpa/Zero? In that you forget things really quickly or is there another reason for it? Sorry if you don't want to answer, just intrigued is all.
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Why didn't Simba just leave the singularity and let it stabilize, thereby saving everyone, instead of spending months trying to save just five hundred people?
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>>152097359
120+ free quartz.

No 4* servant at all. Only consolation is one 5* CE
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>>152097838
Because it'd destroy all of human history.
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>>152093223
Caliburn takes 7 lives.

Merodach is so strong it instantly wrecks Caliburn and Shirou says their power is incomparable.

Also Shirou says Merodach is not as strong as Excalibur

And Rin Saber is said to be able to beat Herakek
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In fate strange fake does gilgamesh have an unrevealed np that is hidden? And if so what's the rank?
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>>152097234
the cuckposter rolled Medb though
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>>152096090
>>152097230
Funny thing is I never see it.
Never does he bypass my filters because I have the absolute fullproof antishitpost shield.
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>>152097838
>he doesn't save everyone
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>>152098043
So the thread is alot slower for you then?
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>>152097950
Unknown rank
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>need Rider monuments for Mordred
>need as many Servants and Shadow Servants as possible to increase the chances of a monument drop
>the fucking great dragon keeps showing up
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>>152097606
Nah the father just made his child tap into the 10.0 potential that runs through their bloodline.
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>>152098074
The Lion King was saving less than one percent of everyone.
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>>152097927

Caliburn was buffed massively in Saber's hands, when Shirou tried to fight Merodach with Caliburn it was only B rank since Saber wasn't teaming up with him
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>>152097927
Caliburn got a couple rank ups because of plot reasons. Normally Caliburn wouldn't even be able to penetrate God Hand.
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>>152098148
There are times when shitposting is rampant, and it goes like 5 minutes per post, but thats nice and relaxing.

Right now its not slow because not everyone is going at it.
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>>152097950
The way the hidden NP is formatted leaves no room for any details. Due to that, it seems like it shares the same details with GoB, as it looks just like the set up for Shirou's two arm NPs. I'm thinking it's the physical key to the vault, maybe the "Road of Babylon" mentioned all the way back in side material.
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>>152097838

>singularity stabilizes
>the whole event, including everyone in it, is promptly wiped out from the timeline

Way to go
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>>152098230
Saving someone means not saving someone else anon
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>>152097807
>schizophrenic
Oh that was the last label they gave me. My spiritual beliefs are too occult, and it's not the norm or something. I don't know. They drug me up and make me go crazy for a few years, and say that's how I always was. Then when I do fucked up shit from feeling like shit they send me away. Then do it again. It's dumb. I sometimes swear half of it is some sort of witch trial continuation almost.

>>152097816
I have no idea. I have not checked that series out ever. I just know a few minor spoilers due to its popularity.
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>>152097359
I want Mordred so much, rolled everything I can and only rolled two event CE's and that's about it.
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>>152098230
She saving humanity itself. Individuals aren't important.
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>>152098274
>Caliburn was buffed massively in Saber's hands
It wasn't. It only reached the level of A+
And if I remember correctlt Shirou said he used the same attack that killed Heracles.

Merodach is much stronger than that, it is the prototype of Gram which is the protoype of Caliburn
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>>152097807
How does laying on a woman's lap feel like?
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>>152098441
Quite strange indeed. Best wishes Occultanon
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>>152098360
>plot reasons
Here come the delusional Hercfags making pointless excuses.
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>>152098625
>only A+
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I know this is probably going to fan shit some more, but I was looking for the stream for the end part where Nasu's letter has his main for each class on it
https://youtu.be/suI-Wa-qH_w?t=5317
>Saber: Arturia (duh)
>Lancer: Liz
>Archer: Euryale
>Rider: Medb
>Caster: Sanzou
>Assassin: Shiki
>Berserker: Nightingale
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>>152098679
It's pretty comfortable too be honest, especially if they stroke your hair.
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>>152098625

B to A+ is a fucking huge buff you mongoloid

Shirou says a lot of bullshit, all he did was imitate the same swing from before. We know indisputably that it's only A+ rank when Saber is holding it, unless you mean to imply that Shirou is secretly a king

Gae Bolg is stronger than Gungnir, so Gram could be stronger than Merodach
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>>152097359
>alternate account where I need the most help
120 Quartz
10 Tickets

Absolutely NOTHING

>main account where I'm drowning in gold servants

Pay no money. Get Mordred, Kiyo, and Tamamo from free singles.
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>>152098950
>tfw will never experience this

Feels bad man.
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>>152098850
A+ is fucking pathetic, that's the most generic NP rank other than B. Even Medusa has A+. All the generic swordbeams except Excalibur, Arondight and EA are fucking A+. It's not even Divine Spirit tier like A++ or EX
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>>152098936
Is he both a flatfag and an oppai guy?
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>>152099169
Don't be talking shit about JETS here. JETS' JET is only D Ranked.
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>>152097359
90 quartz
5 tickets
one kiyo
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>>152098950
>3DPD
Eww.
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>>152099156
I-it's not that nice
it's comfortable but not a great sensation on it's own.
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>>152099169

A is the highest rank an NP can have, modifiers are only situational boosts in power, there's no such thing as 'only' A+ rank fuckhead.
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>>152098936
I don't think it's who he uses, I thought it was his favourite females from each class (they're mutually exclusive).
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>>152098987
Caliburn can still activate at B. See Lily.
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>>152099273
Fuck off virgin
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>>152099301
EX
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>>152097927
>Merodach is so strong it instantly wrecks Caliburn

When held by Shirou alone, in the route where he never quite gets the hang of projecting to full potential.
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>>152099350

Irrelevant, a B rank activation isn't even comparable to an A+ rank activation which is more than double the power
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150 quartz
NP2 Kiyo, Tamamo Lancer
4xEvil Cat CE
4xBoudica CE
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>>152099298
>laying your head on a woman's thighs
>not the best sensation in the world

Is it pathetic if I said I would pay for a woman to let me do this to them?
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>>152099301
>he thinks parameter rules apply to NPs
You are retarded.
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>>152097359
10 tickets and 18 Quartz, Lancer Tamamo, drake CE, evil cat CE, boudica CE.
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>>152098936
Sanzou and Nightingale do seem pretty fitting for his tastes of the new characters
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>>152099390

EX isn't a rank

It's impossible to rank

>>152099516

Oh boy is it time for headcanon that directly disregards the character materials again?
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>>152099301
>>152099516
>they think parameter rules aren't arbitrary bullshit
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>>152099507
not really no. It's slightly less pathetic than paying for sex or fetishes and people do that all the time.
The only shame you should feel is not being able to convince someone to do it without money
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>>152099601
Cite that parameter rules apply to NPs. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

My proof are rank ups like CBA and Stella in FGO. NP ranks are different.
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>>152099661
>convince someone to do it without money

Well time to kill myself.
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>>152099516
Q: and treasure fixture rank of Servant ability in the status screen, or Are there differences in the rank you are for each treasure instrument as belongings? '' '

'' 'A:' '' principle is the same. Digitizing is also possible, since such "but stronger than ~ lose is to" is meant play on words specific some guys of ability something like, I tried to divided into A~E category of as a rough concept than the numerical value .
By the way, you can be doubling the capacity only for a moment what you get + is, and please think.

It's not exactly the same, but +s are the same.
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>>152093003
Reminder that Nine Lives in an instant NP that he can use with anything from a sword, bow, axe or even his bare hands. Arturia would get killed before fireing Excalibur.
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>>152099601
EX is greater than A numerically to the point that it's pointless to try to put that number on a scale. EX is a rank. EX is a higher rank than A.
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>>152099919
Excalibur is the np with the fastest startup, it's faster than 'instant' nine lives.
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>>152099372
Fuck off normie
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>>152099806
Are you retarded or don't you realize who you're arguing with? How do you not recognize the same half dozen fucking buzzwords? Better yet, how have you not filtered them yet?
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>>152093437
GoB is worthless against Alcidès because of the pelt.
Enkidu is worthless because he is a human with insane strengh, breaking the chains wouldn't be a problem for him.

What left for Gil is drawing NP from GoB and fighting Alcides head on, wich I think is stupid, or using EA.
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>>152100109
>Excalibur is the np with the fastest startup
It isn't, though. We're constantly shown that it has a fairly significant startup time.
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>>152100241
It's consistently called the fastest np. Everything else has a longer startup time.
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>>152100109
Balmung is faster
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>>152100230
Gil will just need to be decently serious, use his clairvoyance NP, and pull out things that directly counter True Archer's stuff. Then the EX NP is up in the air if it will truly match EA or if he's just strutting himself in thinking that.
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>>152100230
all he has to do is force Alcides to unequip the pelt and then GoB spam him gg
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Why doesn't Gil use the Ship of Light to send Alcides into a different solar system?
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>>152100109
WE are not starting this fucking "Goku can teleport at the speed of instant" bullshit.
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>>152100363
>It's consistently called the fastest np.
Show me one time it's called that in the VN.
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>>152100431
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>>152100109
Fragglerock
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>>152099806

Not this fucking shit again

>Cite that parameter rules apply to NPs. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

READ THE FUCKING CHARACTER MATERIALS

The character materials lay out how all rankings work in Nasuverse, they all work on scales and there is nothing else that modifiers do or mean than situational boosts, Gawain repeats this in Extra

The only difference between NPs and regular parameters is that NPs are on a different unit scale entirely, so a C rank NP generally translates to about an A to A+ rank regular attack

You have two examples from only this game that are not even examples, they're just you inventing bullshit headcanon theories for things that don't need explanation because they don't contradict a single fucking thing in any prior work and are uncitable as evidence that NPs work differently for no reason

B++ = always 40 at minimum, but can go as high as 120
A = always 50, it's an improvement in base value, so it is an upgrade

That's it, that's how A is an improvement over B++, nothing about Stella or CBA contradicts the character materials

Now since I know how you operate, you will recite those two examples as god's goddamn fucking ineffable word that somehow disproves EVERYTHING ELSE because you say so, and you will argue in circles, constantly refusing to even address examples that don't fit your retarded headcanon, until nobody cares to even reply to you anymore and you go on to the next thread honestly fucking believing that you're right because you're too deluded and retarded to even fucking fathom that you could be wrong because you have two examples that don't actually prove anything.
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>>152100016

If you can't place a number on a number line, it's not a number

If you can't place a rank on a scale of ranks, it's not a rank
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>>152100734
>That Which Comes Later Cuts First
It's slower by default.
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>>152101075
>>152101075
>>152101075
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>>152100416
He still have 10 other NP in Kings Order, on top of Nine Lives and an unnknown EX NP. We also don't know if he can use two NP from King's Order at the same time.
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>>152100906
You what. It's a number. That number is so high that numerical comparison is meaningless. EX encompasses that state. You're acting like those retards who though A = 50 and EX = Green Tomatoes.
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>>152101130

He took out Goddess of War at the same time that he was wearing the pelt, so it seems like he can use multiple simultaneously
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>>152100016
Not him but EX isn't supposed to mean "UNNNNNN-LIMITEEEEDDDDDD POWERRRRRRR"

EX means "it doesn't follow the established rules." It's an EXception to the rules.

Alter Cu's EX ME is actually one of the few correct uses of EX.
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>>152095734
>maybe Ruler

They think its going to be a ruler, just like how they thought Saber was going to be Arthuria, however the contest has already far gone outside of their preconceptions.

They said in Apoc I think that its a switch whether a grail war has Ruler or Avenger, I think it'll go Avenger this time around.
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>>152101230
Ah yes, but can he use Nine Lives while wearing the pelt ? That would be too easy.
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>>152101254
No, there is a very specific definition for EX, stupidly, brokenly high to the point that comparison to lower ranks is meaningless. I
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>>152101309
It's a mini Excalibur anon.
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>>152101524
Nope
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>>152101190

That's not how it works.

EX is not a rank just because it is anything above A+++.

You cannot rank something that is by definition immeasurable by any known scale.

A result of 'undefined' on a calculator is not a number.

A value that is the set of any number that is greater than 200 is not a value that can be compared. Ranks exist for the sake of comparison. If it literally cannot be compared by definition, then it is not a rank.
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>>152101309

>its activation doesn't even take a second
>but it's not at full power either

>>152101497

>once activated
>once activated
>once activated

Confirmed for ESL
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>>152100779
+ are ranks for NP as proven by CBA getting a RANK UP to A++ from A+

B++ is weaker than A as proven by Stella.

If you wanna be a retard and argue that A++ will only be stronger once in a lifetime against an A then go ahead, but FGO proves you wrong. And even the novels do, Excalibur beat both Bellerophon and Gordius Wheel, at A++ vs A+
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>>152101989
Are you referring to yourself?
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>>152101989
nice backpedaling
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So I heard they buffed Mode Red's NP gain, no wonder I can't roll her...
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>>152102193
Rider or Saber?
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>>152102292
Rider
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>>152102153

See you're doing exactly what I said you're doing

You're blindly ignoring everything that proves you wrong and basing your entire viewpoint off of two examples that do not contradict the established lore despite the fact that you think they do

Protip: GO's mechanics are not a direct translation of the lore just like Extra's gameplay is not accurate to the lore

Upgrading NPs in GO boosts the percentages involved regardless of how the rank actually changes and does not account for how modifiers work

>And even the novels do, Excalibur beat both Bellerophon and Gordius Wheel, at A++ vs A+

How do you know that Excalibur didn't have one or both modifiers active while Bellerophon and Gordius Wheel had only one modifier active, or none active?
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>>152091092
Good question. I'm just barely strong enough to beat the 40AP quests, so I've been doing 30s unless it's morning and I'm a tiny bit away from leveling up.
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>>152091867
Yeah, I hate that in every fandom.
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>>152092272
>>152092375
>>152092728
NOOOO OOOONNNNEEE
FIGHTS LIKE LU BU
CRUSHES KNIGHTS LIKE LU BU
NO ONE STAYS UP ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LIKE LU BU
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Is Kiyohime better in-game than the kung-fu manlet? I'm not sure who to use.
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