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Report and ignore it.

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, August 17th:
1498 – Cesare Borgia, son of Pope Alexander VI, becomes the first person in history to resign the cardinalate. On the same day, King Louis XII of France names him Duke of Valentinois.


>News
EU4 DD11/08
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-11th-of-august-2016.962333/

CK2 DD 19: The end is nigh
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-19-the-end-is-nigh.963090/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive
https://mega.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
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>>[CK2] - Anon Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#!TVA2RByJ!tuh0k4SR5gXPLtmxsMd4KZ0at9gY5s5_oV70ui8A4B0

>>[EU4] - Expensive Warfare Mod 1.0
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>>[CK2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.5.5 - 29/07/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V8
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>>[V2] Many Houses Divided - v 0.0.1.1
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>>[V2] - 7 Years v4.1
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Old Thread >>151961393
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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Reapers due hype.
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>>152031286
based
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> want to play as a Mongol or a Han, but their portraits are just too hideous
I only thought of using mods for this just now. Any recommendations?
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>>152031427
Use the anime portrait mod, all characters look white that way.
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>>152031573
Even Orientals? That rather defeats the purpose.
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How do I form Rheinbund in Napoleon's Legacy? As what country?
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Is greekposter here?
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>>152031814
Who ?
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>reading about South Sudan
Now thats what i call pure 100% African negro

Whats with the president and his hat though
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>playing europa johaniversalis 4 for the first time this year
>1502
>declaring war on France as England for the third time
>fast forward 8 years
>at last, sweet victory, time to take all the provinces I wanted
>find out I can't take any provinces
>"french-english war of humiliation"

ebin :-DDDD
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>>152032189
>I don't understand game mechanics
>It's all Jewhan's fault xD
ebin
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>>152032109
Maybe he just likes the hat?
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>>152032270
hi johan
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jesus christ i built IC in africa since ww1 without thinking about it, wanted my puppets to not be 3 IC dead weights. these negros got nukes, so does rhodesia
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So whats the best way to do the Belgium/South Africa takeover combo as NET in the latest HPM?
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Daily reminder only prissy liberals drink coffee with both hands.
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>>152034318
Isn't that more to warm you up than anything else
I mean why would you hold something that small with two hands otherwise?
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>>152034318
I'd say it's only acceptable when it's cold
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>>152034318
>not just drinking however is more comfortable to you in the second you're drinking it
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>>152034438
>>152034484
>>152034631
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>I never cheat in gsg
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>>152035016
>implying you can cheat in gs games
The winner writes history.
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>>152032189
you literal retard didnt choose a different wargoal
how stupid can you be?
do you have ADHD and cant pay attention for 30 seconds?
why are you playing a strategy game?
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when does Vicky2 Multi from yesterday continue?
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Wasn't here yesterday, did Hitlermemeguy actually make any progress? When's the release of the mod?
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>>152032368
They probably don't have enough resources to maintain that industry.
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Hello /gsg/, just wanted to let you and Hitlermod know that I'll be here for the next 4 hours.

If there's anything flag related I can do for you just ask.

I'll also take this time to announce that V9 of the pack will probably be focused on the middle east, that is, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, the Arabian Peninsula, etc. If you think another area of the world or some specific countries are more deserving of a spot in the next pack, do tell.
Flag unrelated.
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>>152036718
Babylon pls
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>>152036894
Man, I forgot that existed. But since it's such an obscure tag that almost never appears and doesn't even exist if you use HPM and derivates I think I won't include it in the pack, though I could try making flags for it and post them if you really want to.
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>>152036991
I don't "really" want it, but it would be nice if you did something for them in your free time or something. Everyone forgets about them but Iraq > Babylon is actually pretty fun
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>>152036718
Bieeen! Ya te extrañaba un poquito

Nice flag, I'm going to use that fo Mittleafrika when i add it. Did you get any ideas for the SS shit? If not I'll just use the normal German flags for now, or maybe the one you made earlier. I will also be here for the next 3 hours or so.
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Ok, so right now I'm having some problems with the Chinese revolt/Civil War thing (specifically, I don't know how to set the state they want to take), so for now, I'll just add some events that will fire when the war ends, I guess.
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>>152032109
He got given a Stetson as a gift from president Dubya and liked it so much that he's made a point of wearing one in all his public appearances.
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>>152037319
Yeah, sorry about yesterday. I got sick so I couldn't even come on the computer.

Te mande un email desde mail.com recien, fijate si no te llego en spam.

As for the SS thing, realistically they wouldn't even change flags, to be honest. They'd want to keep the appareance of legitimacy of still being the same Reich, if only under new administration. If they were to change flags, they would try to keep as much of the old flag as usual, to keep appearances. That's what I was going for with my flag.

If you remain unconvinced, I'll do something else. It's your mod after all. But you'll have to tell me exactly what sort of SS administration you think would be going on, maybe we have different ideas about it.
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How do I Rheinbund?
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gutter crown
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>>152038053
Bueno, no importa, total no hay apuro, falta un rato para que saque esta mierda. Ya estas mejor querido?

I think that you could try doing something similar to what UnHPM did, probably with different colours. If it doesnt look very good I'll just use the normal German flag for now, or I'll use the other one you made.
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>>152038407
Or maybe you could do something like a war flag, kinda like the CSA's most recognized flag wasn't really the official one.
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>>152035016
Is it even possible to play gsg as a shit country and win?
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>>152038407
>what UnHPM did
I made that flag actually. I'll see if I can get it too look more SS-y or something.

Pude dormir ayer, asi que es una mejora, chiquito
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>>152034221
Declare on belgium first day. Occupy and wait for score to tick up (over 30 at least) and goals on brits and peace out. Immediately after that declare on belgium again and annex them. Restart if for some reason france joins them
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>>152032109
He's got Sheriff Clarke syndrome
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Does anyone know if you can make a country start as disarmed or paying Great War reparations (or both)? I haven't seen any mod with that, so I can't really check, but I'd imagine it should have to be in the history files.
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>>152038859
Thanks friendo, gonna try that.
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>>152038407
>>152038589
As I said yesterday, llevaos vuestro mariconeo a otro sitio.
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>>152040338
>llevaos
>vuestro
>sitio
Ya nos lo llevamos al chat de Steam, estamos cogiendo por telefono ahora.
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>>152040247
I remember looking through history files to find shit related to Revolutionary War, if things related to even that exist I assume yes
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>>152040247
Here's another one, as suggested, using the command flag of the SS.

I can try something similar using the other eagle design, or whatever you think about it.
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>>152034221
Well what I like to do is as follows:

1. Send my entire navy to the Dutch east Indies since its useless against the british in Europe
2. Build transports and all available land units in the indies and send some back to Europe so that I'm left with a 21,000 strong strike force in the Indies and sufficient transports. Your going to have to play with the trade sliders to get enough resources for the units and ships (set it to stockpile like 200 clothes canned food and ships) since HPM makes it harder to get some goods early on.
3.once I'm ready begin justifying a Place in the Sun cassus belli against UK
4. Then (ususally around early 1838 but it varies) launch the attack without calling in any GP allies (calling them makes it more difficult to get everything you want since they become war leader and usually add a humiliate CB or something stupid like that or don't press all your wargoals). ITs best to launch it before the British start expanding by event into Northern South Africa so you dont have to compete with them later.
5.Use my navy and colonial force to occupy the colonies while my main army deals with BElgium and Hannover and fends of British landings.
6. Let ticking warscore do the rest

When it goes well I can get Belgium, both Capetown and Eastern Cape, Ceylon, and part of east Friesland from Hannover (rightful dutch clay) all by 1840-2 ish. However in the recent version of HPM its a bit harder it seems. First Prussia often Allies with GB so you have to find a way to avoid that or keep them from joining in (one way is by declaring war on Belgium, since the AI almost never calls in allies after the beginning of a war). However now France tends to try to intervene as soon as you add a cb on belgium. There are ways to avoid all of that happening but you have to play around and also get reasonably lucky.
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>>152040463
Yeah, it looks pretty decent, maybe you could try adding one of these eagles, or using a different colour at the bottom and at the top, and using one fo these eagles, or using that one in black.
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>>152040463
>>152040637
Or maybe just redesign these flags you made, but in red, instead of black like you did, maybe replace the swastika with the SS symbol
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>>152040637
>or using that one in black.
Well, I can't make it all black for obvious reasons. I did think this up, but it doesn't look quite right either.

>>152040767
So basically the first SS flag I made but in red? Could be, but I really think an SS flag should always be black and white. It's their traditional palette, putting colour in it seems wrong.
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I don't want to continue that save we played last night.

>austria hungary with no bohemia, released bukovina and galicia, missing part of serbia

looks fucking disgusting
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>>152040961
Maybe you could use a white background and make the SS symbol black?
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>>152041059
You mean like this? I still think the black one looks better and fits better with SS aesthetic.
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>>152040628
That sounds complicated, Imma gonna try >>152038859 first
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>>152041272
Yes, maybe you could swap the Swastika and the SS thing? also i just noticed the Mittleafrika flag doesn't have the same cross as the RKMs and that one, maybe you could try fixing that while you come up with something, but I think I'll just use one of the desings you made, I really think there aren't many other designs that could work.
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>>152041425
>maybe you could swap the Swastika and the SS thing?
That would give the SS symbol a way too central place in the flag, which wouldn't make sense symbolically. The swastika should always be in the foreground.
>also i just noticed the Mittleafrika flag doesn't have the same cross as the RKMs and that one, maybe you could try fixing that
Sure.
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>>152037126
>Iraq > babylon is pretty fun

Lmao what
What the fuck is your definition of fun
Most painful shit in the world and it literally relies on pure luck
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>>152040986
it will get dismantled to the point of only hungary being left my friend
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>tfw getting a diamond hard boner when The Great Depression modifier expires and the full might of the American industrial machine is unleashed
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>>152041618
it's literally just

>every gp in europe has a player besides austria
>gp's immediately gang up on austria

i want to play eu3 desu
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>>152041648
>mfw Roosevelt fucked USA in the ass for 7 more years
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409
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>>152041815

that's why I pick Landon
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>>152041543
Ok, I got some ideas, i got this desing, an a similar one. I looked at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel, and I think you could use some of these symbols, and the SS in the middle makes sense, you could try dropping the Nordic Cross, and using something a bit more like what I made, or something where you could fit those symbols.
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>>152042412
This one replaces "leadership in battle" for "faith in nazism" Oh and maybe you could do the letters in gold? or white? and make the strips in black
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>>152042572
Or something like this. Note how "Faith in Nazism" is aligned with "Zeal" and "Family" is aligned with "Self sacrifice"
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>>152042412
Ok, I see what you are going with here, and it makes sense, but there's one problem with that. What your flag would indicate is not merely the Reich under a new administration by the SS, but a whole new State. The flag you propose would make sense if, after the SS took power, down the line you got an event to deepen and perpetuate the SS administration through a modification of the State. In such a context you could even implement Neo-paganism.
I don't know if you can implement that in the mod though, maybe you'd even have to create a new government form and I don't know if that has an impact on performance.

Also this is a sketch the Mittel Afrika flag. I need to polish it, but it's basically what it will look like, if you like it.
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>want to play EU3 MP
>the gsgmp group on steam has monopoly on it's played games and not fucking EU3

what the fuck
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>>152042716
Forgot pic
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>>152041815
>FDR invented Keynesian economics
>FDR negotiating with militant socialists was wrong
>high wages are a problem
>fails to mention that unemployment went down by 7% between 39 and 41


t. invisible hand
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>>152042572
>>152042716
>>152043153
Noted, I'll keep those in mind. I'll research a bit of SS esoterism so I get a better feel of the whole subject.
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>>152043153
r u a real nazi or just a wehraboo
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>>152043412
He's a butthurt Argie fantasing about living in a world where Germany won WW2 so that Argentina gets the Falklands.
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>>152043412
>>152043556
all of these are true
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How do you get rid of the shitty Chinese state conquering restrictions in HPM?
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>>152043589
You know for an autist at least he is quite blunt about being one.
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>>152043589
how did hitler win ww2 in your mod because it was nearly impossible in real life
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>>152043734
conquerall
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>>152043652
Research right techs
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>>152043734
I'm wondering how the Japanese conquered Australia in his mod since not even the Japanese thought they could do it.
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>>152043734
Ubermensch obviously.
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>>152043865
How can a country NOT be able to conquer Australia, especially during that era?
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Which option gives you better borders in EU4: low or high aggresivnes?
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>>152043990
Australia is fucking big. Also the naval logistics required would be pretty intense, especially with the royal navy + Americans sailing around.
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>>152043734
In screenshots I saw a Fascist Britain, so I assume Mosley became UK's ruler in this world and joined Axis
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>>152043990
Australia had pretty modern equipment and the like and a genuinely massive surface area to control that was sparsely populated and mostly arid/desert. Australia would be a shitty war and a shitty occupation.

At least only the Japs have to deal with hardcore shitposts in that mod.
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>>152044193
The Americans didnt join the war in this timeline I believe.
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>>152044401
still doesn't explain germany's victory
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>>152044504
How would GB win without the US? Russia with lend and lease is a completely different story too.
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Do I settle for this or do I wait a bit more for Guyana?
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>>152041760
t. Habsboo
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>>152044727
Go for Guyana
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>>152044694
GB would have stalemated (inb4 sea lion) because neither side had the material capability of invading the other

USSR probably would have won ww2 w/o lend lease because they had more mechanized/motorized infantry and better performing tanks - but even more people would have died and it would have taken longer
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>>152044727
The Brits are actually accepting wargoals for several of their own regions just because Belgium is occupied?

I don't know much about this method to fuck GPs over.
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>>152045041
>accepting wargoals for several of their own regions
They're not. They're all colonies
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>>152045195
I said region, not state.
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>>152044694
Not really Germany still has the same problems invading Russia, the Germans would literally never have any way to even touch the British isles after the battle of Britain (and there were contingencies if that went badly) So lets assume that there is a huge slog in Russia that goes on for longer, eventually Germany will become exhausted and unable to defend itself from a British attack if it continues to fight the Russians or it'll lose ground against the Russians and end up being pushed back to Berlin.

It was an impossible war the moment Hitler decided that he couldn't let the Soviets exist.
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>>152044727
What strategy did you use? How did UK not sink your whole navy?
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>>152045240
Sorry. Still, Belgium is not a participant in that war. Therefore Belgium is irrelevant
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>>152045462
Oh right, I didn't notice. Where is the warscore coming from? Land battles?
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>>152044927
>>152045041
>>152045282
I settled for Humiliate.

Attack Belgium day one. When fully occupied, annex. GB automatically adds Free People CB they never fulfill cause you stop them from landing. Navy in the port. use colonial troops to make progress. Get warscore on small landing troops and ticking.
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>>152045584
There's definitely some warscore from land battles, but I think it's mostly from occupied colonies and the ticking warscore you get from it.
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>>152044401
The Americans would send help to Japan's enemies for messing around in their backyard. They'd probably be doing stuff like reporting any Japanese ship that comes near the Philippines, demanding an exclusion zone, and stuff like that.
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>>152045267
>>152044694
Oh and that's ignoring the fact that the german economy would have buckled completely if thngs dragged on too much, the soviets perfectly countered the Nazis plans to send back everything to germany to boost the economy by burning it to the floor, eventually France and Norway would have been completely plundered. There would be labour shortages due to the Nazis ideological opposition of women in certain jobs as more men are needed to go die in Russia. Etc.
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>>152045645
Navy in the port? How did you transport colonial troops then?
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looking good baby

>>152045948
Homeland navy in the port, colonial navy just having fun time going around
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>>152046076
is naval AI really that bad? what was britain doing with its navy?
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>>152044989

>GB would have stalemated (inb4 sea lion) because neither side had the material capability of invading the other

Sea lion was a pipe dream ofc. A stalemate as you call it is a german victory. On the long run the germans would have outproduced GB so on the long run there would have been a favorable settlement.

>USSR probably would have won ww2 w/o lend lease because they had more mechanized/motorized infantry and better performing tanks - but even more people would have died and it would have taken longer

Yeah no it doesn´t really work this way. Apart from the fact that a generalizing statement like they had better tanks is wrong- there wouldn´t be much of these left in 43. Without lend and lease germany would have complete air superiority, soviet logistics still would be garbage and in no way able to support large scale offensives and last but not least massive starvation because circa 40% of soviet agriculture was in the ukraine.

>>152045267
>britain starting overlord on its own

Yeah no. Germany never could pull a sea lion true but on the other hand GB never would have been able to start a large scale invasion of europe. Without the total air superiority, the logistics and the additional troops the americans provided it just wasn´t gonna happen.

Also: What is with Japan, are they happily fucking over india and the other european colonies? I guess GB would have to focus most of its forces in asia.

>>152045816
Oh sure there would be massive problems in the long run BUT they would be even larger for the UDSSR and GB. Lend and Lease allowed the soviets to focus their industry completely. Without lend and lease there wouldn´t be as much shiny new t34s as there would be soviet trucks and soviet special machine parts. Oh and also there would be MASSIVE starvation. Ukraine was the breadbasket of the UDSSR.

GB would have to keep japan in check and wasn´t a totalitarian society so war fatigue would have been much stronger there. And colonial unrest
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>>152045816
Germans were HORRIBLY undermanned even before Barbarossa.
If they like peaced out with UK and fought USSR alone it would still be a nightmare. And USSR would still probably win in the long run.
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>>152046528
You realize the Wehrmacht was larger or as large as the red army up until 43. The casualties before the eastern front weren´t relevant.
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>>152046409
I like you
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Greekposter, where are you
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>>152046409
Yes and Japan wanted to invade american land for oil, so it was always going to happen.

As for india, they might conscript people and then they'd go from the paltry 2.5 million volunteer force to something obscene. Good luck invading india. The Indians liked the English a lot more than the Japanese.

And any british invasion comes after years of germany grinding itself to death in Russia like what would happen in this situation.
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>>152046528
And to add on this basically Germany vs USSR is same as Japan vs China.

Too many pops, too much land to cover.
>>152046625
You realize Germany had 400k reserves in 1941 when Barbarossa started and by winter they were lacking 350k men?

Now how about USSR?
Well Germans assumed they had possibly 50 division in reserve tops.
Reality ?850 divisions

Seriously mate.
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Anonymous indepedent /gsg/ c++ dev, are you here?
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>>152046409
germany's historical failing in russia would have still happened and in my opinion, a weaker russia still would have won but it would have taken longer

t34s were the second easiest to produce tank in the war, requiring a fraction of the man hours of a panzer and less material so I think they could have still produced them

also russia had a coherent doctrine after stalin let go of the military reigns, germany never achieved one
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>>152046995
The second you route/capture 3 million men, and another 3 million are waiting for you over the ridge, that's when you know you're not winning a war.

The Russians did not care one lick between 11 million Russians dying, and 20 million, 30 million. They'd do it to stop the fascists. The war is the great patriotic war for a reason, it was a war for survival. You don't peace out of that. Your country may be in a fucked up state afterwards, but you don't stop fighting a war to exterminate you.
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>>152047468
Indeed. This anon gets it.
Supposedly Stalin said - if 3 Soviets died for each German in the end there would be no Germans and still many many Soviets.
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>>152047201
Yeah
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>>152047549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9y7OiVpCls
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>>152047619
get a discord
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>>152047686
I'm not into that kind of shit
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>>152044989
>>152046409
Hitlermod isn't going to change his mind on the UK being invaded because that means Argentina wouldn't get the Falklands.
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>>152032189
You're a fucking morron. You'd probably choose ˝Make tributary˝ casus belli in CKII and complain you didn't get any lands. How the fuck can you install a game in the first place? Literally fuckwad retard.
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>>152047985
Just give argentina the falklands anyway if it's that important, make it out like that was the concession Hitler got out of the UK so that he could save face back home or some shit and the uk was like "one island? yeah okay then"
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>>152046886
The premise is that the americans don´t join the war m8. So we assume the japs only attack european/asian lands.

>As for india, they might conscript people and then they'd go from the paltry 2.5 million volunteer force to something obscene. Good luck invading india. The Indians liked the English a lot more than the Japanese

Sure and they just pull the equipment out of their ass? (if we ignore the fact that GB surely would have pumped india full with weapons because there was no desire for independence there).

>>152046995

And to add on this basically Germany vs USSR is same as Japan vs China.

Too many pops, too much land to cover.

Yeah no. They couldn´t conquer all of china/udssr due to logistics and the sheer vastness but the respective other side wasn´t able to reconquer their land without massive outside help.

>You realize Germany had 400k reserves in 1941 when Barbarossa started and by winter they were lacking 350k men?

Oh its pop history again?

In Wehrmacht Service*, 1939: 4,722,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1940: 6,600,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1941: 8,154,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1942: 9,580,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1943: 11,280,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1944: 12,070,000+
In Wehrmacht Service*, 1945: 9,701,000+

>>152047215

t34s were the second easiest to produce tank in the war, requiring a fraction of the man hours of a panzer and less material so I think they could have still produced them

Some of them yes but not nearly enough to fuel the meatgrinders that were the great offensives of 43/44/45. Seriously read up on how costly bagration etc. were. The soviets had the manpower but without lend and lease they sure as fuck neither have the material nor the logistics.

>also russia had a coherent doctrine after stalin let go of the military reigns, germany never achieved one

Ok club m8. revisionism it is then. The russians paid a high price to acquire german strategies.
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Hawaii has 100% literacy, right? Has anyone tried playing them? Anything to do?
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i came here from reddit, Where's hpm?
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>>152047985
I am not a nazi and i don´t really care for hitlermod so yeah.. Just arguing that with out the US the world would be in a much darker place.

>>152047468
>>152047557
To bad that men alone don´t win a modern war. You need the industry to get the job done. Starved people without proper weapons aren´t gonna win even if you have three times as much.
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>>152048280
>12 mils
Dont be silly anon
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>>152048287
Nevermind, apparently HPM nerfed them. Also why is Hawaii's primary culture Polynesian?
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>>152048280
Do you think the UK was some kind of backwater production wise?

There is nothing anyone could do to stop english naval logistics. The germans manage to be a hassle to civilian shipping but anti-u boat tactics weren't arcane or anything.

>>152048280
The sovets are on the defensive, they can keep making the germans go forwards. The germans have to get all the way to fucking vladivostok before the Russians would even consider stopping the fight.
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>>152048527
That's 12mil in overall service you dense fuck, not just on the Eastern front.
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>>152048525
What about Vietnam or Afganistan?
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ckii-reaper%E2%80%99s-due-content-pack-renders.963250/
>east africa gets a new facepack
>miaphysites will probably still be raped by egypt and whatever arab is in medina/sanaa
ayy lmao
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>>152048527
In Wehrmacht service, if you read live gets easier. Thats more than just the soldiers on the eastern front.
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>>152048634
>>152048664
Except that also cover reserves and non combat personel.
War would last 2-3 more years but end would be just about the same - with extra Gommie sattelites over Yurop.
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>>152048634
so was "muh epic eastern front" even that important? i'm seeing 3 million germans on the eastern front in 1944, when they had 12 million total that year
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>>152048590
Gee, I wonder...
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>>152048525
You act like the Russians didn't have tons of industry behind the Urals and the resources to capitalise on it. Germany would hit labour shortages and resource problems FAR before the Russians would.
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>>152048867
To be fair, an isolationist USA might actually make stalin go "I don't need to have a ton of buffer states everywhere"

The aggressively anti-communist US policy was pretty much what drove stalin to go full warsaw pact.
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Greekposter AKA smallbubba AKA host, are you here?
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>>152049130
But Stalinism was about single state USSR anon.
Isolationist USA would make USSR probably tighten the grip over Europe even harder and incorporate everyone in 40 years.
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>>152049457
Eh most historians since the 60s have typically agreed that the main driving factor behind the land grabs in eastern Europe was defensive in nature. Of the three mainline ideas there are, 2 are dependant on an aggressively posturing US, without that, no reason for Stalin to feel the need. They'd probably want to install sympathetic governance, but other than that they'd probably be happy enough to leave alone + some lip service to Russia as the vanguard of the revolution.
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>>152049873

Russia did not exist in 60s :)
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>>152048624

>Do you think the UK was some kind of backwater production wise?

Compared to the US? Yup, And you needed that sweet US production to start a massive offensive on fortress europe.

>The sovets are on the defensive, they can keep making the germans go forwards. The germans have to get all the way to fucking vladivostok before the Russians would even consider stopping the fight.

Read a history book. UDSSR was on the verge of collapse in 41.

>>152048867
>War is just about manpower.

Are you all that retarded ? The soviets weren´t some kind of unstoppable giant and they sure as fuck wouldn´t have been able to afford the massive manpower losses they had up until 45 forever.

>>152048956
>didn't have tons of industry behind the Urals and the resources to capitalise on it

They hadn´t thats the point. Yes they were able to save a lot of industry but all of you underestimate the MASSIVE material losses the soviets had to endure. This industry would be preoccupied in building trains and trucks and shit like that. Oh and btw again the population would starve.

And just to throw some lend and lease numbers in the room:

British Empire and Commonwealth: 31 387.1

Soviet Union : 10 982.1

value of goods delievered in million dollars

Something we also didn´t talk about: The deep shit GB would be in without US help.

In 1943–1944, about a quarter of all British munitions came through Lend-Lease. Aircraft (in particular transport aircraft) comprised about a quarter of the shipments to Britain, followed by food, land vehicles and ships

UDSSR:

which amounted to about 30% of Soviet wartime aircraft production

57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel

the USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war, with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. In total, 92.7% of the wartime production of railroad equipment by the Soviet Union was supplied under Lend-Lease
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>>152049873
Speaking of USSR my grandfather was there in 1982 i think...he brought back bunch standard stuff (watches, refrigerator, radio etc).
Even what...30+ years everything still works.
You dont get that kind of "built to last" mentality with capitalists nowadays.
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>>152049979
But it did. It was the largest Soviet within the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
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>>152050045
Some more lend and lease stuff :

Furthermore, the logistical support of the Soviet military was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3/4 ton and Studebaker 2½ ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.[29]

According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease played a crucial role in winning the war:[24]

"On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR’s emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany’s might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."


4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.)
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>all this arguing over a dumb meme
You guys really ARE autistic
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>>152050328
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>>/pol/85644671
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>>152050096
Same in former Yugoslavia, communist era things are often seen as the good shit because it'll fucking do it's job.

>>152050045
You're the one that needs to read a military history book and some military theory before you start quoting figures which have been criticised routinely as being misleading towards making the soviets look like they produce less, this has been a well known debate for a very long time. Many economists project value of produced goods way over double what others do because of the methods of calculating these things.

The US would never refuse to sell things to GB so that's a none factor (If you're making a mod in a world where the US isn't interested in selling things to Europe then you need to strip all US industry because the US built it's industry on the back of WW1)

A modern military would struggle to beat the Wehrmacht in a war barring unrestricted nuclear weapons, you can't fight against a force that can lose your entire fighting force several times over that has no intention of stopping.
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>>152050559
>Same in former Yugoslavia
You dont say. From where else would i be when we had access to USSR from beyold iron curtain.
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>>152050453
Off-topic and /b/-tier threads will be deleted (and possibly earn you a ban, if you persist). Unless they are quality, well thought out, well written posts, the following are examples of off-topic and/or /b/-tier threads:

>Red pill me on X. (with no extra content or input of your own)
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>>152050559
Wehrmacht would get crushed by modern armies are you serious

>le asiatic hordes meme

wehraboo pls go
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>>152050754
>le asiatic hordes meme
it isn't a meme ivan
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>>152050754
take the UK of today. The wehrmacht can sustain losses of the UK's entire fighting force several times over weekly and fight for years.

That isn't a war you can win. It never has been and never will be. Have you even read fucking Clausewitz or is your entire military theory knowledge based on video games, movies and TV?
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>>152050937
Doesnt this means basically partially westernized China or India would be fucking unstoppable in 20th century?
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>>152050937
>wehrmacht-jerking this hard

bolt action rifles and tanks prone to failures on uneven terrain combined with a severe lack of motorization or mechanization would get them triple buttfucked by any modern army
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>>152051072
There's a reason why no one even considers fighting a land war in china.
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Going to play as a Byzantine vassal, should I go for the Mediterranean or the Black sea?
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>>152051075
show liquor factories
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>>152051162
So how do you beat China nowadays...you just bomb+embargo them to oblivion?
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Why PU is only for christians?
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>>152048641
The Soviets and the americans weren´t ready to exterminate everyone. If the americans would have killed every vietnamese how long would the war have lasted.

>>152050559
>>152050754


>le asiatic hordes meme

SOOOOO MUCH THIS.

You're the one that needs to read a military history book and some military theory before you start quoting figures which have been criticised routinely as being misleading towards making the soviets look like they produce less, this has been a well known debate for a very long time. Many economists project value of produced goods way over double what others do because of the methods of calculating these things.

Its not even about how much they produced, its about the character of the lend and lease shipments. The total focus on war production wouldn´t have been able without lend and lease.

Again soviet logistics and tons of the other shit you need to have an army was delievered in big parts through lend and lease. The small stuff like enough trucks to transport ammunition to the front or fucking canned food was the important shit. The shipments allowed the soviets to focus their potential on war production.

>>152051113
This. The british airforce would just destroy the luftwaffe and the happily bomb logistics and command structure. The Wehrmacht would be a horde of looters and deserters not even resembling an army in a matter of weeks.
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>>152050937
>have you ever read Clausewtiz

no, I'm not autistic enough to read antiquated military theory because i wish I was in Rommel's army or some shit

dismissing my argument with a lol didn't you read isn't actually a decent way to refute what I said, allow me to demonstrate

Didn't you read Patton or Zhukov? Is your entire military theory knowledge based on old Prussian generals?
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>>152051284
You don't try to annex china and fight a limited war over a specific target?

Why do you think China is building islands in the south china sea? because that lets it project over those so it can actually attempt to fight in the region.
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>>152049979
>russian SSR
yeah it did
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Is there any grand strategy game I can play where I don't have to deal with /gsg/'s irredentism?
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>>152051513
make your own goals, don't ask a bunch of 20 year old males what to achieve in a swedish strategy game

but no
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>>152051513
You could just play any gsg without visiting /gsg/
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>>152051513
make a prehistoric mod
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>>152051394
>so it can actually attempt to fight in the region.
Im not a primary English speaker so i would ask for more plain explanation about that.
You mean theyre building artificial island bases as plane strips and such?

Also those are international waters right? If you build and island there does that country get jurisdiction around it?
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>>152051379
>antiquated military theory

>ANTIQUATED

Nigga you could take one of Wellington's rifles and put him on a modern battlefield and he'd know what's up within minutes.

People this ignorant about the absolute basics of military theory should not be talking about it.

>On War represents one of the greatest works on military thought and strategy ever written and contains ideas and concepts that apply at either the operational or the national level. Clausewitz remains essential reading for all senior leaders.

-US army chiefs of staff.
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anyone has the grand campaign for DH as a full mod? i tried making it myself but it always ends up crashing and being overall fucked up
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>>152051612
>20 year old males
That's being generous
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>>152051690
>tfw no caveman grand strategy game
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>>152051232
End game I am actually the top 3 liquor producer. My steel mills also became unprofitable in end game due to coal shortage even with every tech researched by 1930
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>>152051784
That's what china wants yes. It wants to be able to do all those things to compete with US carrier battle groups in the region, and it ALSO wants to claim that it has rights to those waters because of the Islands.
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>>152051943
What prevents USA from exploding those islands to shreds?
Main Carrier advantage is that its well...mobile?
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>>152051513
>>152051690
>>152051901
>implying Europe isn't rightful Neanderthal clay
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Korea is much easier than I thought it would be.
Ming fell apart so maybe that is why.
Currently at war with Japan.
Also colonizing Taiwan.
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>>152052157
That would be quite a big deal, also it would require a lot of deployment for assets, blowing up raised landmasses is about as hard as blowing up actual land. It ain't easy and China probably would have something to say about that. The US is content reminding china that it can project the south china sea right now.
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>>152050045
Stop saying UDSSR you retard
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>>152052208
>we came in from Africa
>drove out the original European Neanderthals
>they are extint, only we remain
I think we are the original niggers.
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>>152052338
Most screenshots of EU4 that people post are generally from 1500-1600

The game actually gets way more interesting from 1750 onwards, when major powers are established, and colonies start breaking off; unfortunately many people miss out on this since they quit before that.

Also your Korea is disgusting.
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>>152052460
he's a german, please excuse their inherent autism
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>>152052432
I meant in wartime situation.
Wouldnt it be cheaper to simply do a carrrier race vs USA or theyre not capable of making good ones?
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>>152052507
Chinese scientists disproved the theory that we are all from Africa.
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>>152051794
>lining up with muskets = tank maneuvering
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>>152052629
>Chinese scientists
So I assume they also "proved" we all came from chinkland?
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>>152052507
True pure blooded nordic aryans actually originate from Atlantis
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>>152052607
Aircraft carriers are -really- fucking expensive. Also they are doing that but it's easier and faster to make artificial islands out of sunken reefs.

They're spending 9 billion dollars on 2 aircraft carriers, but China has other problems in that regard that they have no admirals that have participated in a carrier battle to train other admirals in how to do it. They're well aware of their own limitations. The island building thing is quite a pathetic move militarily yes, but it's also just functional enough for what they're doing.
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>>152052734
They found some really old human remains that predate the migration from Africa theory by tens of thousands of years.
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>>152052802
Well i dont think USA admirals ever participated in carrier battle either.
In fact you could argue lack of "proper" big wars after ww2 quite diminished the combat prowess of GPs nowadays.
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>>152052208
Do you think neanderthals girls were easy?
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>>152052934
War Games, ww2 experience passing down, etc.

China is late to the game, they know it, everyone else knows it.
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>>152053008
No way man, if you didn't have a dinosaur to pick her up with you were homo nonexistus
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>>152053008
Dunno ask Ron Perlman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT3cNE6Fsd0
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>>152052532
>Also your Korea is disgusting.

I am just following the the directions some anon gave me in the last thread.
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>>152052460
Fuck off. You know what i mean.

>>152052536
Yeah sure. The unfounded >le asiatic hordes meme >le great empire and the bullshit all of you spew about military theory isn't much more autistic.
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>>152050302
>On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders
>tfw people here actually learning history through wikipedia
>about 90% of lend-lease was delivered to reds after Battle of Stalingrad
>author of the quote has been expeled from scientific community due to "violation of research ethics" in 2016
>this is gsg
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>>152053406
You're the one that said Clausewitz is irrelevant despite you know, the people who lead modern militaries saying he's one of the essentials to read.

You can keep chatting shit about things you don't know about, but don't expect us to take you seriously.
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Kaiserreich MP will commence soon.

The checksum is CARE with the latest version.

This has been your daily /gsg/ MP announcement.
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>>152053620
Based gsgmp saving the thread again
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>>152053406
>tfw soviets didn't liberate Europe by themselves and bring communism to the entire continent
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>>152053008
Roses are red, violets are blue
Your mom is an neanderthal and so are you
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>There are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually believe the Wehrmacht would've conquered Europe without America
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>>152053513
That wasn't me you mongtard. There are actually other people posting in this thread. I am german do you seriously think i am anti-clausewitz?

You just don't understand military logistics and the importance and nuances of War industry. Your argument is just lel more people=war and despite the facts showing the opposite you spew about the invincible soviet war industry.
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>>152050152

The British Raj was the largest subdivision of the British Empire, that's literally irrelevant. Russians made up about half of the population of the USSR and were underrepresented in government policies which actively favored non-Russians.

>>152051428

>Texas is a part of USA therefore Nazi Germany was at war with Texas in the 1940s
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>>152053513
actually i said that clausewitz is irrelevant but that's because i knew it would make you mad because you're a fucking military obsessed coward that didn't bother to actually join the army or marines or who the fuck cares
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>>152053813
>i am German
So from what part of Turkey does your family come from?
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>>152053813
No you're just drinking the kool-aid and you type exactly like him. Other people have already attacked your claims and you haven't addressed them at all, you also ignored the claims that soviet industrial capacity is undersold in the first place.
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>>152053959
ive actually been purposefully typing lowercase you illiterate fascist
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>>152054006
Daily reminder that if you still believe in bible theories that were tested thousands of years ago, you're an ignorant sheep and you need to be culled. If the earth was round, the sky would be round too but just look up retard. Guess what? It's flat. Big surprise.
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>>152053681
>>152053791
Apartment from Memes? How would the soviets solve the problem of starvation without the US? How do they produce enough supplies,trucks, trains etc. without a massive loss in the production of war equipment?

>>152053915
Kys

>>152053959
Where have they adressed my claims? Just saying lel that isn't true is hardly refuting my argument. How would the soviets compensate no lend and lease without significant losses in other fields?

The germans always had a somewhat functioning logistics System and enough production of supplies and ammunition. The soviets didn't.

How do you explain away the fact that successful soviet offensives only started happening after lend and lease really started pouring in in 43.
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/gsg/ is full of amateur military theorist baby boys and they get so mad when someone points out how fucking dumb they are circlejerking about military tactics that don't matter

go become a general you fucking frauds if you know so much about it :^)

or become a historian and fucking cite the shit out of your arguments, i've seen way too much [citation needed] arguments
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>>152053620
what version of DH/Kaiserreich and can I join if i'm from EU
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>>152054421
German logistics weren't even somewhat functioning, they were a complete mess under no single command
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>>152054541
>what version of DH/Kaiserreich
Latest version.

> can I join if i'm from EU
no i'm a brit

BREXIT MEANS BREXIT

yes ofc
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>>152054597
So why could the germans start successful offensives and the soviets weren't able to until 43.
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>>152054616
The Greeks got a hold of Gjirokaster, then the Turks invaded Thessalia. I dont get why this unbelievable.
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>>152054683
Does that version include any of the optional features?
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>>152054616
There was a crisis over Albania, dumbass
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>>152053620
Where? I want to join.
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>>152054703
Operation Uranus wasn't in 43 though.
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>>152054849
When*
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>>152054421
>How do you explain away the fact that successful soviet offensives only started happening after lend and lease really started pouring in in 43.

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that the soviets had a bunch of complete rookies in most positions in the army and after 2 years of war they were finally well versed in warfare and had defined a new doctrine that served their current situation as an army with limited education and training.
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>>152054870
I know, my successful invasion of Uranus was in your bed last night
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who cares about a bunch of dead fascists and commies

discussing it won't turn back time and make hitler win or stalin win harder

fucking commie nazis
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>>152054597
So why could the germans start successful offensives and the soviets weren't able to until 43.
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I humiliated my commie roommate today
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>>152054421
>The germans always had a somewhat functioning logistics System and enough production of supplies and ammunition
>successful soviet offensives only started happening after lend and lease really started pouring in in 43

Proving you know nothing about WW2. The German logistical Soviet rails were too wide for German trains, meaning that they couldn't use the infrastructure they conquered. Also, during the Holocaust, trains carrying Jewish prisoners were given priority over trains carrying supplies to the front. Combined with the Soviet scorched earth tactics preventing looting, the German supply situation was terrible. They hadn't even bothered to equip their troops with winter clothes, which crippled their capabilities to go on the offensive during winter and allowed for numerous successful Soviet counterattacks, the most notable one being around Moscow.

Also, "How do you explain away the fact that successful soviet offensives only started happening after lend and lease really started pouring in in 43" is a loaded question, which just shows how shit your argument is.
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>>152055312
>during the Holocaust
This proves you don't know shit about WW2 either.
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>>152048950
LEMURIA WHEN
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>>152055312
>Also, during the Holocaust, trains carrying Jewish prisoners were given priority over trains carrying supplies to the front.
t. meneth
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>>152055312
>Soviet rails were too wide for German trains
Dont say "were".
Russians still use different rails when compared to Europe.
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>>152055312
>Also, during the Holocaust, trains carrying Jewish prisoners were given priority over trains carrying supplies to the front.
I wonder who could be behind this post
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>>152055490
nice pedantry dude, upvoted :^)
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>>152054993
The soviets showed that they were already versed enough in warfare in typhoon etc. They just had a distinct lack of material in certain areas that prevented successful offensives with a deep reach. Ofc the quality of the officer corps improved but the trucks and trains were more crucial.
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>>152055304
cool fantasy, thanks for sharing it with us, comrade :^)
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>>152055710
I wouldn't call pissing on my commie roommate's face a fantasy
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>>152055431
>>152055445
>>152055575
>guize the Holocaust totally didn't happen!
Even if that were true, the transfer of Jews into concentrations camps via trains is a fact.
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>>152055791
if this was true, your roommate is probably an emotional socialist and not an actual marxist versed in actual theory

those idiots are easy to defeat because they can't articulate the argument well at all when confronted with even the slightest effort by capitalist propaganda
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>>152053620
How do we join it you memeing faggot?
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>>152054421
Meh, even in 1943, reich receieved much more raw materials than ussr. Coal: 3 times more, steel: 2.5 times, electrical energy: 2 times. Still, somehow, germany produced less armaments. And from equal amounts in stock, ussr deployed: tanks and artillery - 5 times more, waplanes - 8 times more. So if you think deutsch production lines were super effective, i guess this isn't quiet true.
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>>152056045
I don't know which particular brand of communism he subscribes to, but he tried to collectivize my things and got punished for it.

I pissed right on his face, he stormed out of the apartment and I haven't heard from him since
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>>152055312
>The germans had logistical problems so your argument isn't true.

Oh gee maybe the soviets had even more problems?

>railways

Yeah that was problematic. The german supply System was far from perfect, that was my Intention in saying: somewhat working.

>scorched earth

Not like the soviets had exactly the same problems when the started a counter attack. Surprise,surprise the germans even did the same when they retreatd.

>Winter clothing
Again,the germans weren't perfect and that was grave misconception.

>counter attack around moscow

Typhoon as i mentioned. The germans weren't pushed back far and had a position threatening moscow until 42 or 43. Thats what i mean with successful counter offensive. Ofc they started some offensives and pulled of successful counter attacks in some locations but for the most part they were a clusterfuck like the second battle of charkov.

>loaded question

How ? Name a successful large scale soviet offensives before 43 that wasn't limited to a pretty small area and/or Jutta a fuck up.
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>>152056435
Hot.
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>>152056285
Funnily enough Germans didnt have strict rationing until really late in the war seeing they were populist goverment.
They also didnt focus on assembly line production and couldnt agree on doing uniform model production.

So basically two companies made slightly different tanks - logistical and repair wise nightmare.
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>>152056550
It didn't escalate to being "hot". I'm pretty sure I broke some laws already and I wouldn't wanna rape him or anything
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>>152052532
It is boring to play after 1700 because you blobbed so much, there is no challenge anymore.
It only makes sense to play for so long if you are going for some extreme blob campaign, because of lower coring costs and nationalism cb.
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Checksum: v1.7 (CARE) for Darkest Hour v1.04

Come forward my brothers.
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>>152056285
Nice selective choice. As i explained again and again:

The germans had to produce a ton of shit like trucks themselves the soviets got delievered. So ofc the production of tanks etc. was lower. You would have to compare industrial production in total.

Also: nice selective choice of ressources.

What about oil? Or Aluminium and other metals?
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>>152056617
>esl
Opinion discarded. Next.
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>>152056862
discord
https://discord.gg/CfkXR
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What does actually purchasing Conclave unlock vs the passive stuff you automatically got from the update for it? Anything to make child rearing/childhood more interesting?
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>>152056862
Wait how do you get the care checksum mine is FXZV
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>>152051075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIubgsfK8E
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>>152057538
Just have latest version of kaiserreich+darkest hour i guess. v1.07 + v1.04 or whatever. We got a few people who've joined successfuly. It's all good.
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>>152057412
Buying conclave literally does nothing but remove fun.
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>>152057908
But I want more child rearing events/more childhood stuff. Do I need the dlc for that or are there childhood mods for it?
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>>152058000
>I want more roleplaying in my game about mappainting
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>>152057908
t. blob pro
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All I wanted was Darkest Hour 2 with modern graphics, modern detailed map, a bunch of events and decisions, new features like national focuses and other little things that HOI4 got right (not many), better AI (DH did a nice job though anyways), and also having Antartica be in the game would have been sweet too


Instead we got Memes of Iron where the AI is so god awful that it breaks the game, national focuses that aren't even focuses because you can complete literally all of them before 1942 is out, retarded production and research systems, supply lines and transport capacities are gone, stock piling resources are gone, and a fuck ton of other gay bullshit
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>>152058151
>He doesn't want more roleplaying in the roleplayer map painted

I bet you don't even enjoy a narrative game about pretty borders, do you?
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>>152058362
>having Antartica be in the game
Yes, please, hollow earth nazi bases.
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>>152058498
It would be for naval bases along the coast
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>>152056862
Can I join bb?

I suck at DH tho
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>>152058362
>implying Paradox made Darkest Hour
They cannot make serious game for shit.
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>>152056880
I've responded to this:
>The germans always had a somewhat functioning logistics System and enough production of supplies and ammunition. The soviets didn't
So, we may state: soviet economy wasn't ineffective first and last, compared to german. I guess you wouldn't say that production of tanks and planes is somehow irrelevant, right?
Besides, Germany collected recources from almost entire western Europe. After excluding occupied countries (11 in total), we still have ore, bearings and cannons from Sweden, mechanical, electrical devices and antiaircraft guns from Switzerland, wolfram from Portugal, oil from Spain (retraded via Latin America). Also Germany had a huge bunch of volunteers from all over the place. How many men were in french resistance? 5000? Wehrmacht had about a million french soldiers on the First front under command. And you still claiming germans were all alone?
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>>152058827
I know they didn't make it but they still should have learned from it and modeled hoi4 off of it
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>>152058919
Yeah but all we got was a cheap knockoff.
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>>152058919
that doesn't bring enough shekels
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>>152058804
We're playing Victoria now because only 3 people could join Kaiserreich for some reason.

I.P: 109.153.154.146
Checksum: SCOF
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>>152059112
with hpm or without hpm?
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>>152056880
Germany received oil from Romania, one of the world's largest oil producers at the time, while the Soviet Union produced oil domestically in Baku and along the Ob river.
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>>152054616
What map mods?
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>>152059112
Latest version of HPM + 3.04 Beta Patch in steam for V2 btw. No minimods.
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>>152059174
>checksum SCOF
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>>152056880
>The germans had to produce a ton of shit like trucks themselves
>disregarding the Polish work camps, the Bohemian and Moravian arms factories, and the immense amount of industry captured in France, the Low countries and the occupied Soviet Union

Wew
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>>152059232
Do you have a link to the mod?
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>>152059232
>can only get RXMT even though I have exactly what you say
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>>152053791
>There are people on this board RIGHT NOW, who think the Soviet Union had unlimited manpower, industry, and BILLIONS of T-34's magically appeared with unlimited fuel and ammo
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>>152059036
Well they sure didnt get shekels with HOI4 seeing they sued that Steam guy when he pointed out people mass left it after a single week.
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>There are people on this board who call themselves WWII experts, yet deny the Holocaust
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>>152060080
>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW, who think strawman arguments are good reasoning
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Will darkest hour work on windows 10?
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>>152060386
Yes, mine works
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>>152060386
Works for me. Keisserich has tendency to crash sometimes though.
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VeF keeps crashing 10 minutes into the game.
Any help?
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>>152060286
>Whine's about strawmen, after realizing his entire position is based on memes
>uses strawman himself
I've never Wew'd so gratuitously in my life
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>>152060442
>Keisserich

lad...
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If Haiti, Paraguay, Russia and the Ottomen were "civilized" in 1836, does this mean that current African shitholes are civilized as well?

Really makes you think.
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>>152060998
KaiserRoll*
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>>152060763
>Whine's about strawmen, after realizing his entire position is based on memes
>Says the guy who believes in the invincilbe Wehrmacht meme
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>>152061149
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>>152061326
>being THIS desperate to try to pull the Wehraboo meme
Almost feel bad for you, lad
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>>152061383
It's funny how badly he schools these guys and his eternal slightly pained smile
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>>152058890
I never claimed that wtf. That underlines my argument. The SU without US help would have been in deep shit. I am just saying this meme about endless soviet ressources,industry and manpower is bullshit. The lend and lease helped to compensate soviet weaknesses and allowed them to reach their full war potential. The germans had concquered a lot and had a lot of military experience in 41. Without help the soviets wouldn't have been able to withstand the massive loss of War material and land. There wouldn't have been a german victory necessarily but also sure as hell no soviet one. How should they have pulled off shit like bargation with 5%of the trains they had and only 2/3 of the trucks?

>>152059206
And got fuel and raw oil through lend and lease. Circa 50% of high octane aviation fuel was lend and lease.

>>152061326
WEW lad. The invincible soviet asiatic hordes meme with unlimited industry seems to be stronger in this thread.
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>>152062414
SU would be in worse position but it would still win.
Case closed.
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Any modders out there? I am trying to update "Vikings of Vinland" mod from here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=406455916&searchtext=vinland
It is mostly working, I managed to run it without crashing, but for some reason game won't pick localisation files. Please help, or I'll have to go to reddit.
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>>152062684
Pastebin the relevant localization file
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If I put immigration quotas in place will it lower the amount of immigrants I receive or bring me the same amount, with higher literacy?
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>>152060424
>>152060442

So when I run it it defaults to an incorrect resolution and the mouse is laggy af. Did you have to do anything to get it to work?
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>>152063084
Dunno mate. Would help if i could.
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>>152062847
There are several, all of them are not picked up. This one contains country names and adjectives.
http://pastebin.com/Cndskjzi
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When will Paradox start using 3D globes rather than flat maps? It would appease their le graphics kiddos and make the map more geographically accurate.
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>>152063578
3d globe would be ugly and clunky.
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>>152063017
If you're playing as a New World nation, for fucks sake, TAKE IN AS MANY IMMIGRANTS AS YOU CAN. It's the only way you can keep up with the other GPs.

And using immigration quotas will ban pops with literacy levels lower than 50% from coming to your nation, so obviously this excludes many groups such as Southern/Eastern Europeans and Chinese.

Pops will assimilate very fast and they'll become of your state's religion too, adapting the literacy rates of the pop they're assimilating too. There's no reason to keep them out.

Just keep the open borders policy.
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>>152062414
>Without help the Soviets wouldn't have been able to withstand the massive loss of War material and land.

They were doing a pretty good job of withstanding it throughout 1941 and 1942. The Soviets didn't have unlimited industrial capacity or manpower, but they had more than the Germans, And with the Germans having heavily overextended themselves by the summer of 1942, they had a much easier time getting men and supplies to the front than the Germans.
>How should they have pulled off shit like bargation with 5%of the trains they had and only 2/3 of the trucks?
They could've used horses, like the Germans did, or just given the army more supplies to carry around.
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>>152062414
>meme about endless soviet ressources,industry and manpower is bullshit
Yes, we can agree about that.
>the soviets wouldn't have been able to withstand the massive loss of War material and land
Nope, can't agree. When goods delivered to soviets finally reached big numbers, the RKKA already stood on pretty solid ground. Though Lend-Lease were a great aid in the upcoming reconquest, of course.
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>>152062684
Nah, you aren't going to extort me like that. Just go to reddit, that place is better suited for people of your kind anyway.
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rate my first grossgermanium

i give it a 5/10 since i could do much better if i didnt stutter around during reformation/against a weak poland

i only came 2nd behind the fucking bongs
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>>152062601
Name a compelling reason why. What makes you so sure they win? Read through the goddamn operations on the eastern front. Even in 44 the soviet casualities are huge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper%E2%80%93Carpathian_Offensive

How would they replace the war material they lost without help? They would have never launched operations like this without lend and lease.>>152063713
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>>152063817
>for people of your kind
What's that supposed to mean?
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>>152063898
why do you idiots blob into russia like it's barbarossa?
if anything, you should invade france since the franks setted there and northern italy
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>>152063898
Read the infopic. What the fuck is your gimmick?
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>>152063713
>The Soviets didn't have unlimited industrial capacity or manpower, but they had more than the Germans
Actually, to the end of 1941, they not. At that point Germany has already occupied territory where half of the Soviets population lived.
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>>152063690
>Pops will assimilate very fast
That's really only for the US due to the insane buffs they get, it actually takes time for eery other NW nation.
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>>152063898
Why didn't you go for a WC?
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>>152063910
Whole front would be a stalemate for years to come anon and in the end Germans would lose on attritional warfare.
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>>152064031
Your people. People of your ilk etc etc
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>>152064031
>>152062684
First of all why are you threatening us? Second off have you tried the wiki? I'm not a EU4 modder of any sort but I'm sure it'll be some stupid mistake you pick up later, that's how modding generally works for any game.
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>>152063910
>Read through the goddamn operations on the eastern front
>wikipedia
Are you think this is funny? It's fuckin not.
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>>152063910
>How would they replace the war material they lost without help?
By using domestic industry instead. They could've used the materials they were sending to Great Britain, or turned more civilian factories into military ones.
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>>152064167
The US does have it easier but other New World countries shouldn't be suffering due to any of this.. As long as you already have a province with one of your primary culture pops in it, they'll assimilate fast.

The problem comes if you have a province that has only natives in it, no primary pops move to it, so the immigrants that arrive will just start building up with nothing to assimilate to.
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>>152063690
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>>152064379
Bet he hasn't even read the Soviet Supply Protocol ether, sad
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>>152064346
>threatening us
Wut.
And yes, I tried wiki.
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>>152064180
Source please
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>>152064379
>Are you think this is funny? It's fuckin not.
Spat my tea out.
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>>152064518
Do you have a core in that province?
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>>152064691
>They're legitimate animated dramas!
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>>152063713
Yeah sure. They compensate their dependancy on american logistical supply by horses (my guess is a lot of these were in the Ukraine,Belarus or the baltic states) or every soldier carrying a second rifle. This is blatant ignorance you can't just handwave away soviet weaknesses. Otherwise i could just saying the germans would have developed wunderwaffen winning them the war with the extra time.

>>152064145
This. 41 and 42 were far away from solide ground. Even in 43 the outcome wasn't decided.

>>152064180
Yeah? What about the little fact that the soviet agriculture was in shambles. Attritional warfare tends to favour the side without massive starvation.

>>152064379
Why not ? Just for looking up casualties and 4chan discussion Level its enough.

>>152064438
Lel. Ok general hoi4. What materials did they send to GB?

So the soviets completely stop producing shit like trucks or machine parts to keep their war industry going? Not like they produced stuff that was unnesecary for the war that they could have stopped producing.
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>play EU4 as Teutonic Order
>vassalize Tver
>force catholic religion
>give them a shitton of Moscowy land
>they refuse to core or convert it
>sit on >100 % overextension of heathen religion provinces
>have regular revolts
>every couple of years their population rises up, kills their army and occupies their land
>whatever
>can't annex them yet because they still hate me
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>>152064518
real question dog, how did you not get manifest destined by the US?
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>>152064723
>needing cores for assimilation
ebin
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Why do Paradox games have "cores"?
Did they invent the concept?
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>>152064851
Sorry for terrible spelling Phone posting sucks especially with bad english to begin with.
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>>152064972
It's a real meme though. Which is why no one is assimilating at all.
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>>152064143
Isn't obvious what his gimmick is? It's retards taking his shitty bait
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>>152058362
But the production in HoI4 is literally the best part about it.
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>>152065103
Yeah, I know, I'll probably get the make core event later on which will fix it.

>>152064896
It's a long and complex story, short answer is I was sphered and allied with them for a long time.

Long answer is that I made single armies of hussars, attached them to the American stacks and being faster than them due to being horse corps they occupied Mexico and the province switched to me. I thought I'd have to click the next province every time one was occupied but it turns out you can just link them and it works, it's extremely exploitable.

I'm in America's sphere now, but they broke their alliance. I've been keeping relations above 190+ so they don't rek me, which they still might decide to do.
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>>152065230
Only because the rest of the game if even worse.
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>>152065230
Putting sprinkles on shit still makes it shit.
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>>152065546
aah i still remember when momma used to make w'all these in alabama
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>>152065697
B-but t-these are from Sweden.
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>>152065773
>>152065546
What are these supposed to be besides the obvious joke
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>>152064143
my gimmick was getting all of scandinavia, german culture and the east till the urals as hohenzollern with as many german pop as possible

i only achieved half of it
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>>152065867
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokladboll
Nothing says Sweden like gobbling up nigger balls.
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>>152064863
>play like a retard
>waaa waaa eu4 sucks

encourage braincells
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>>152065903
That's not a gimmick. A gimmick is something like not going to war or successively releasing states and becoming what amounts to a migrating nation.
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>>152066146
>i not only play eu4 but am an expert at it
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>152064837
Nevermind, found it already. Himegoto.

Thanks for nothing, faggot.
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>>152065867
its not a joke
calling blacks negers was the normal thing to do till 2000 in europe, every country have their niggerkiss or whatever sweets which are black outiside and white inside
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>>152066206
Or doing weird stuff like dunno....forming Mughals as Venice or France as Papal State.
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>>152066010
>>152066320
>political correctness in fucking food names
AHHHHHHHHHHH
I meant joke to try and deter the 'licking nigger's balls' jokes
Obviously didn't work


>>152066254
Not him but this is not Vicky2 General, no matter how much you wish it was.
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>>152035016
>I cheat in gsg
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>>152066280
I don't watch your paedophile cartoons and I wasn't even the one you asked in the first place.
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>>152066254
go back there shitposter and stay there
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>>152066320
Serbia here. We kept the name.
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>>152065402
Why didn't you attack the US during the Civil War? Regardless you should consider dismantling them as soon as possible, with almost 3M pops you should be able to recruit a decent standing army.
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>>152066443
>buying Paradox games
>buying Paradox DLC
Mhmm
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>>152066496
thats different, thats candy
you know what im talking about Milo
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>>152064851
>their dependancy on american logistical supply
They'd still have most of their trucks, and much of the work behind Operation Bagration was based on resistance militias sabotaging German logistics and attacking them from behind. The operations might now have been just as successful but the Soviet could've still made decent progress.
>What materials did they send to GB?
From the US DoS' Soviet Supply Protocol:
10000 tons of Chromium (urgent)
15000 tons Magnesite
5000 tons Potash Muriate
3000 tons Nitro-Benzine
500000 lbs silk or silk waste
Up to 1000 tons Pine tar (urgent)
Up to 500 tons Licorice root
300 tons horsehair
200 tons Dimetyl-Aniline
100 tons beeswax
50 tons Archangel Pitch
50 tons Barium Chlorate
50 tons Ammonium Perchlorate
50 tons Potassium Perchlorate
1400 kgs Platinum (urgent)
250000 rifles, 1000 rds. ammunition each (urgent)
Timber in quantities as shipping available

Not counting the "not urgent" materials and materials shipped in amounts of >50 tons
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>>152066504
>18/26
No. My army keeps revolting because vicky rebellion mechanics, despite me passing reforms they want.

I don't want to expand more into the US, I like my current orders, they're like a bigger, more deformed version of Texas itself.

>>152066496
In Britain we used to call lots of things nigger, there used to be a shade of the colour brown called nigger brown, now it's called shit brown.
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>>152066737
This one?
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>>152066606
>I bought eu4 and all dlc a year ago
>never play it
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>>152066902
I just meant we used to refer to the colour as nigger brown. In the '70s shop windows would advertise "nigger brown settees"
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>>152066916
>being an idiot

>>152067078
So nigger brown = shit brow i.e. nigger = shit?
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>>152067229
Yep.
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>>152066443
Stop subsidizing Johan's hot pockets. The games are free and in the OP for Christ's sake!
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>>152061149
Countries being civilized in Vicky is just a way for the game to tell you to stop blobbing into them.
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>>152064691
Himegoto
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>>152064851
>for looking up casualties and 4chan discussion Level its enough
For stupid bating, sure. Raw Soviet mp in 1941 was about 2 times higher than German (and only German, without allies or satellites). On wikipedia related casualties usually start from 1 to 4 and up to god knows how freakin high numbers. If that was true, commies reserves would have been depleted exutrimu fastu, but in real world it was shitler who created Hitlerjugend, i wonder why. Maybe because you shouldn't trust wikipedia and should read books instead.
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>>152063648
t. johan
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>>152067515
cute!
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>>152062227
The black guy speaks Mandarin
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>>152067558
Is that why he's sad
Because he butchers even the easy version of Chinese?
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>>152032109
>reading about niggers
You have to go back.
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>>152067515
Quality response
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fresh from /pol/
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>>152067682
>not praying to god emperor of negrokind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYRPkkdnJg
>mfw that queen has seen some shit
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>>152067994
>Danes being retards
Who would have thought
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>>152067994
You are a casual pleb.

It's ok, not everyone has the mind for Paradox games.

Enjoy your tile simulator.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg
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>>152068018
The juxtaposition of purest white on near complete black makes him look idiotic desu
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>>152067994
link?
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>>152068165
>likes new paradox games
>doesn't like old paradox games
>anon accuses him of being too dumb for paradox games
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>>152068079
>I don't like this game, so anyone who dies is retarded
Hmmmmm
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>>152068408
>dies
See >>152068079
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>>152066146
How did I play like a retard? I did nothing I didn't do before but a vassal refusing to core land is new.

I also didn't complain. Just pointing out a humorous fault in game AI.
Take your memeing back to your steamgroup.
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>>152068336
>proclaiming yourself an Emprah
>not retarded
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>>152068815
But anon
WE
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>>152068507
>>152068079
>I don't like this game, so anyone who does* is retarded
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>>152068363
>>>/pol/85654257
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>>152068513
Paradox games were never that good with ai.

For instance i can PU Demark which retains internal PUs with other Scandinavian minors (all owned my by ruler) but i get no policy decisions on those unions.
Then i can DoW my own sub union and Denmark PU will defend it.

So basically my own ruler is both attacking and defending his stuff.
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Who here fell for the blobbing into China meme?

>play as shogunate japan in HPM
>westernize during the mid 50s
>unify the country in the late 50s without fighting the boshin war
>annex korea in the 60s
>annex formosa in the 70s or 80s
>expand into east africa and some of indonesia
>decide that I want to expand into China a bit before they westernize
>restrictions on conquering chinese states means that I end up with ugly borders that are hard to fix with another war due to even more restrictions
>although there are good RGOs like grain or lumber, most RGOs are tea and silk, goods that I already produce in abundance
>even worse, most RGOs only support up to a million farmers/labourers at most, so most chinks end up becoming NEETs leeching off the government's unemployment benefits
>realise that the asian plantations and farms decision doesn't apply to china
>japanese pops that move to these provinces end up turning into NEETs too
>would need hundreds of thousand of bureaucrats to turn these colonies into states, so I can't even use them as industrial manpower
>already wanted to get rid of these chinese colonies within the decade

I swear this was more feasible in vanilla/PDM.

Tip: If you play as Japan, don't waste any infamy on the China meme. Annex Korea and Phillippines ASAP (you can get them with one cheap war). Conquer Indonesian regions with rubber and oil like Aceh/Siak/Sumatra/Borneos too. Java is shit. East Africa wasn't a good idea either, and Formosa was pretty overrated too but at least you have a good chance of turning it into a state.

You'll be given Outer Manchuria and all of Sakhalin once Russia inevitably gets dismantled (by someone else), they even lose all cores. So you don't really have to fight Russia.
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Why is EU still so bad?

I wake up and felt the itch to play a merchant republic during the renaissance, and I can't do it in a decent game.
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>>152068165
>You are a casual pleb.
>thinks shitllaris is worth buying
>thinks GOY$ is worth buying
lad I. . .
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>>152068930
>civ 5
>not civ 4
wew /pol/ really is full of redditors
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>>152069043
>he didnt land grab China before westernizing
Dumpkopf.
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>>152069082
You're not playing based EU3 MP.
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>>152069043
>blobbing into China
stopped reading there desu
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>>152069273
>cheating
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>>152066716

>They'd still have most of their trucks, and much of the work behind Operation Bagration was based on resistance militias sabotaging German logistics and attacking them from behind. The operations might now have been just as successful but the Soviet could've still made decent progress.

2/3 of their trucks were american and these were the best ones they had. We don´t have to talk about trains (their logistics system was highly train based btw). To me this is a very sever difference. All of the sovietboos here handwave this away but for the sake of argument i accept the premise the soviets would have just a lesser degree of success. In a timeline without US help a very crucial difference is that the germans have time while the soviets are in dire need of reconquering farming lands. With no threat of a US invasion the germans have more troops and reinforcements in the east and most likely air superiority. The soviets on the other hand still have the problem of starvation, and that isn´t going to be solved without the ukraine or massive outside help. So if the soviets push the germans back slowly we can expect massive hunger casualities and the same scorched earth tactics the germans did irl. At some point the soviet advance would be stopped.

>10000 tons of Chromium (urgent)
15000 tons Magnesite
5000 tons Potash Muriate
3000 tons Nitro-Benzine
500000 lbs silk or silk waste
Up to 1000 tons Pine tar (urgent)
Up to 500 tons Licorice root
300 tons horsehair
200 tons Dimetyl-Aniline
100 tons beeswax
50 tons Archangel Pitch
50 tons Barium Chlorate
50 tons Ammonium Perchlorate
50 tons Potassium Perchlorate
1400 kgs Platinum (urgent)
250000 rifles, 1000 rds. ammunition each (urgent)
Timber in quantities as shipping available

Apart from the infantry weapons its raw materials. How is that going to help industrial output of tanks? Just because you have more ressources you can´t necessarily produce faster.
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>>152065903
>culture converting scandi to German
>not modding Scandi cultures into the German culture group
I can't even say that you tried
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>>152031427
why don't you instead stop being a weeb faggot?
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>>152069082
>not playing FtG
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>>152069337
>butthurt
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>>152069429
There is literaly nothing wrong with being a weeb faggot.
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>>152069512
No one cares about your changeowner skills, faggot.
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>>152069635
>too bad to menage to conquer China while unciv
>c-changeowner
Did move Chinese capitol so i dont have crappy borders though.
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>>152069767
>excuses
It was obvious you changeownered because you own Peking, no amount of backtracking will change the fact that you're a cheating faggot.
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>>152069767
>too bad to menage
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>>152069278
>MP
Ewww.

>>152069446
Who are you calling gay, nerd?
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r8 my plans for comfy Texan Nigeria
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>>152070032
>Colonies as a New World country
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>>152067515
>>152067939


>For stupid bating, sure. Raw Soviet mp in 1941 was about 2 times higher than German (and only German, without allies or satellites). On wikipedia related casualties usually start from 1 to 4 and up to god knows how freakin high numbers. If that was true, commies reserves would have been depleted exutrimu fastu, but in real world it was shitler who created Hitlerjugend, i wonder why. Maybe because you shouldn't trust wikipedia and should read books instead.

Kk my dude because you aren´t baiting as hard. First of all hitler didn´t create the Hitlerjugend because of manpower shortages. Hitlerjugend was the nazi youth organisation and founded in 1922. You most likely refer to the volkssturm. So maybe you should read books.

Second: Ofc soviet casualties are sometimes overblown on wikipedia and elswhere. The general consensus is though that the soviets had to endure much higher civilian and military losses.

>Raw Soviet mp in 1941 was about 2 times higher than German

2 and a half times

>1 to 4 and up to god knows how freakin high numbers

for some operations you mong, not every soviet operation was a fuckup

>If that was true, commies reserves would have been depleted exutrimu fastu

Soviet manpower reserves were nearly depleted at the end of the war. They were more efficient in using their manpower then the germans were (woman etc.) and the germans had to use a lot of troops in the west so the kill/ratio argument is nonsense from the start. I never talked about manpower losses, i talked about the losses of war material.
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>>152069273
Why? Yes, it's easy to annex Chinese states as unciv Japan but only Manchuria is really worth it, and they'll end up being yet another NEET-infested colony because the plantations and farms event doesn't apply there. But the RGOs are decent.

From more important to less important: any highpop region in Indonesia with rubber/oil > Korea > Formosa > Phillippines > Manchuria > Sakhalin > Outer Manchuria > East Africa >>> China
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>>152070032
See >>152070110
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>>152069909
I never backtracked my jelly friend.
I could simply ignore Peking and pick another state but i dislike having unconnected borders.

Besides Japanese did control Beijing for a while IRL.
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>>152070032
>falling for the warri meme
go straight back to paradoxplaza lad
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>>152070147
Well theres that decision for Asian thingies that give 500% size on Asian farms/mines...it also exists for India.
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>>152067515
https://www.amazon.com/Ostkrieg-Hitlers-War-Extermination-East/dp/0813134161

According to this book for example:
80% of men born in 1923 didn´t survive the war
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>>152070110
>>152070152
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>>152070183
Why would I be "jelly" of someone blobbing into China, the easiest thing to do in the game? I did it without cheating, unlike you.
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>>152070294
Doesn't work for China, at least some or most of it. I do know that Formosa does benefit from it but anything else in mainland China, likely not. I controlled 6 mainland China regions the other day and not a single one was affected by the decision.
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>>152070427
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>>152070432
>implying the act of taking chinese states isn't cheating in and of itself
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>>152070432
>i did without cheating
So you basically attacked China with shit tech half a century too late? Im amazed Qing actually westernized with rebels and all.
>>152070535
Im certain it worked for me. Or the coast at least.
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>>152070643
I don't take a million screenshots, this is one I had on hand. This was taken the day after China split apart. You're a fucking retard.
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I want post-genocide maps to become the new Grossgermanium meme.
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>>152070549
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>>152070585
At least I didn't blatantly changeowner provinces unlike >>152069767
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>>152070765
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>>152070751
same
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>>152070751
>2
>5
>1935
>as Japan
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>>152071178
Here's what /r/paradoxplaza thought of that screenshot.
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>>152071417
You don't have to tell us, we all saw it lad
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>>152070736
Why are you so salty laddie? You got angry for two reasons :
1.You werent good enough to pick on China while unciv (warlord states are snacks for Japan anyway)
2. You got buttblasted that i took Peking even when i stated i couldve taken any other state instead but i liked the borders
>>152071000
And i also blatantly stated what i did. I had enough warscore for it so why not.
So basically you want me to have shit borders because of your autism?
You going to cry now?
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>>152071417
>>152071178
How do you genocide?
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>>152070145
>not every soviet operation was a fuckup
Oh, you are so kind, mister >glorious retreating. But considering the fact you are German i guess no one can ask for more.
>They were more efficient in using their manpower then the germans were (woman etc.)
>etc
Thanx, now i'm sure you were just baiting, what a relief.
>the germans had to use a lot of troops in the west
On the East was about 80% of the Reich's recources (including manpower) through entire war and everyone knows that. Notable exceptions are Lufts and Flugabwehr only, but they not affect casualties much.
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>>152071417
based BIG_BENIS_IN_MY_ANUS
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>>152071618
>cheating because "muh borders"
>not autistic
neck yourself, fag.
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>>152071401
Well what did you expect mate.
I used to have better industry as Italy.
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>>152071804
>was bitching about attacking Qing while unciv
>since it didnt work out ended up sticking on Beijing like fly on shit
>coarse language because m-muh epeen
Git gud.

Protip - even if i didnt own Beijing we would have the same argument here laddie.
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>>152071401
>>152071842
>falling for the industry score meme
>actually wanting to do literally nothing but encourage craftsmen in your largest states regardless if no work is available for them instead of also getting clerks like you're supposed to, just because you care about a number that doesn't represent your actual industrial output

absolutely wew
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>>152072172
>encouraging craftsmen
Actually pops were so high it had no point. Think i had around 500k unemployed per Chinese territory with constantly upgrading all the factories.
So what did you do then? Waggle your willy at Manchuria pops? Micromanage your armies in Europe while Brits keep blockading your backwater territories?
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>>152071715
Nah dude. It wasn't always 80%.

>airforce doesn't affect casualties much

I call bullshit.

Where are you from ? Apparently my argument holds no value because i am german so i wonder where you are from?

And if you deny the soviets had a lot of fuck ups in the early war and a lot of operations were manpower conservation wasn't an issue later on you are biased.
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>>152069379
>the germans have time
No they don't. Without American help Africa is still lost, and the landings in Sicily would've happened too, although a bit later.
> With no threat of a US invasion the germans have more troops and reinforcements in the east

Yeah, because Great Britain never threatened an invasion in any way.
The fact that you blatantly ignore the UK and Commonwealth and instead push the bullshit that America was instrumental to the Axis defeat, despite the fact that British, Canadian, ANZAC and other Commonwealth troops played a much bigger role in the liberation of Europe is just sad, showing how little you know about the Western front.
>The soviets on the other hand still have the problem of starvation, and that isn´t going to be solved without the ukraine or massive outside help.

Actually, by the installment of the third protocol in October of 1943, the Soviet Union agreed to a massive cut in lend-lease food aid, with the Soviet Supply Protocol stating "The Soviet government, with the purpose of reconciling the amount of deliveries with available shipping facilities, agrees to decrease the program of supplies [...] by decreasing the quantities of the following items: (a)Wheat and flour, 700.000 tons (INCLUDING DELIVERIES FROM CANADA) instead of 1.680.000 tons. (b)Concentrated foods, 177.000 tons instead of 252.000 tons".
That's a decrease of 54,6% in food-related lend-lease from the 1942 agreement, while the Germans still held Ukraine, and with the autumn harvest over. Doesn't seem like starvation is much of a problem.

>At some point the soviet advance would be stopped.
Unless the Germans managed to magically stop partisans from rebelling, that wouldn't be the case.

>Apart from the infantry weapons its raw materials.
1), vital raw materials needed to run factories and 2) 250.000 rifles and 250 million pieces of ammunition a month is no small amount of equipment.
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>>152069043
>he fell for the Homosexual Pedophile Meme
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>>152071842
>2 military score
>+7568
>150M
>122/495
>not breaking China into multiple small states and sphering them all so your industries have an unlimited demand and a huge market
>Shogucuck Japan
You've fucked up as well.

Are you the budget pro by any chance?

>>152072172
>not wanting to be the most prestigious, most industrias and rich, most militarily powerful country

>>actually wanting to do literally nothing but encourage craftsmen in your largest states regardless if no work is available
>what is sphering illiterate, uncivilized and or unindustrialized populous countries
It's like you're that guy that kept genociding Africa continually despite fucking up all of his scores and many other variables.
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>>152072592
You only managed to get a high number of pops in Kyoto because the old gateway to a new land modifier lasts until 1935 (which made no sense yet you bragged about its effects). You wouldn't have been able to get more than 2M by 1935, even if you got several baby boom events.
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>>152072851
>that budget guy
He legitimately went to post hs game on /r/paradoxplaza when we told him to fuck off.
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>>152072851
Budget pro mate? Also with 150 mils i do have unlimited demand.
Also liberating Chinese minors means - you either ally them or you dont. If you do ungrateful bastards want liberation wars every 5 years and then they collapse due to militancy.
>>152072971
That picture is simply there because it was latest one before i got bored.
And trust me Kyoto can get quite big pops when you get gold rush after taking most of China.
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>>152072851
>what is sphering illiterate, uncivilized and or unindustrialized populous countries
>implying they can buy your goods
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Any good alternate reality mods for GSGs?

I am new to this genre.
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>>152073748
Victoria Ultimate is GOAT
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>>152073748
If you're new you should play through vanilla first.
Also specify a game.
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>>152073748
See >>152073815
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wew
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>>152073748
Keissereich for Darkest Hour is good.

Divergences of Darkness for Vicky 2 is interesting but flawed.
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>>152073748
>>152073857
Note that EU4 isn't allowed here since it's a 4x
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>>152073748
Kaiserreich, Stellaris, EU4...
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>>152072851
How does genociding Africa affect your scores? Being the #1 in prestige is easy (you just need to get the culture techs early and fight a few big wars), #1 in military too (literally just build battleships and dreadnoughts).

So how does Africa affect any of this, when most of it won't be turned into states, and the few regions that do become states will likely not be able very industrialized by 1935 due to shitty native literacy and amount of playtime left?

Any idiot can get a high industry score too by blobbing into highpop regions and spamming the craftsmen focus in large states all the time even if you don't actually produce shit.

Actually making your industry profitable requires clerks too, but it affects your industry score less so people just fall for the craftsmen meme while producing less goods and having hundreds of thousands of unemployed pops.

And what's with this "high tariff, high tax" meme? You typically only go for one, but by the late game you can easily have 0% tax for poor/middle strata and 0/negative tariffs. Is this shit roleplay? None of your pops are really buying your goods, no one would like to live in your shitty poverty striken country, probably not even as a capitalist.
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>>152073748
Wait for my mod lad :^)
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>>152073748
I've got to say, Victoria Ultimate has to be one of the best, most diverse mods I've ever played. I strongly recommend you give it a go.
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>>152073916
Get the fuck out of here.

>>152073748
Kaiserreich. A shitton of CK2 mods. A few EU4 mods (not like it isn't easy enough to make it happen anyway). I think there's a few alt-his mods for Vicky 2.
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>>152073883
based
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>>152073974
Big pop states dont need craftsmen focus after a while,you just switch over to clerks at around 50% literacy.
Craftsmen will show up on their own anyway.
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>>152074020
>>152073815
Are you two serious?
Its not memeish mess like NWO or something?
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>>152073974
this, uk has their insanely high industry score through encouraging craftsmen at the start of the game and endless subsidies, but their factories are shit and their craftsmen/clerks/captialists are starving
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>>152074274
>NWO
>memeish
>this is actually what r/paradoxplaza believes
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>>152074274
it is definitely up there with HPM as a better mod
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>>152073748
Alternate reality starts the moment you do something that didn't happen historically.
That's basically the point of these games.
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>>152074498
Like spending bird mana to suddenly make Paris Russian?
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>>152074274
They're meming on you.

>>152074601
>playing vanilla
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>>152074438
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>>152074694
>playing EU$
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>>152074601
Or like letting the US become a communist state and install communism all over.
>>
What about After the End for CK2 is it decent?
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>>152074718
I think he means the NWO for DH.
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>>152074718
The worst part about this is loosing.
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>>152074718
It's a WIP you mongtard
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>>152073278
>Budget pro mate? Also with 150 mils i do have unlimited demand
Yes you have but you also have to spend more with these POPs rather than just spending influence points.

Once again you've fucked up.

>>152073298
>no one can buy cheap shit like lumber, fabric, glass, paper, liquor and furniture
Yeah right.

>>152073974
>How does genociding Africa affect your scores?
It reduces your military scores and income because there are less nigs working in your RGOs and less nigs to recruit into your army.

>And what's with this "high tariff, high tax" meme?
>he does not know the budget pro meme
Look in the archive. A guy posted his budget here and explained how he got that industrial score as Netherlands (3000 industrial score through foreign investment IIRC). And he got obviously memed the shit out of here.

He went on Reddit and posted his game there afterwards. And unsurprisingly they have liked it.
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>>152074898
t. simulla
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>>152075083
what?
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>>152074137
If you don't encourage craftsmen from time to time you won't have that much industry, even if your RGOs are full.

If you encourage craftsmen exclusively you end up with shit industrial efficiency since there are practically no clerks that can give you +30% output just for existing.

If you encourage clerks exclusively you end up with shit industrial efficiency as you lack craftsmen but also less industrial score since one craftsman equals to one clerk for the score.

The best, most sensible thing you can do is to encourage craftsmen in your largest states, or anywhere with good factory types until your factory workers start becoming unemployed, in that case you either encourage clerks until you get the 30% bonus or switch to another state. If a highpop colony has enough primary culture pops to make promotion into a state feasible, invest in a bureaucrat focus for a while. Give newly industrialized states more priority, especially if they're highpop.

That way you end up with a decent (but not excessive) industrial score, an efficient industry, along with richer and less unemployed pops.

The problem is that most industry score pros just encourage craftsmen 24/7, typically in their largest states, and don't give a shit about anything else, it doesn't matter to them if their pops can only barely afford their life needs due to welfare/pensions or if they have ridiculously high unemployment rates that gets them nowhere. But hey, they have a high industry score so they must be good at the game.
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>>152074874
Oh. Well i didnt try it.
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>>152075272
Well to be blunt anon that is alot of micro and most people wouldnt bother with it.
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How the fuck do you get people to go to the colonies? I have all social thought techs avaliable and transportation law but still nothing.
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>>152072787
>ignoring Japan
>overestimating the Commonwealth so much
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Time for fun, and hopefully seize Vienna for the Westernizing event. Allies with Brandenburg but not a member of the league, so I can weasel my way out of the war once I get enough score.
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>>152075093
simsulla is a based neo-nazi that likes to mock redditors with "Encourage experiences" and 20% Sunni muslim POPs in Paris memes and he should join us
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>>152075429
New World nations wont send colonists outside their own continent mate.
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>>152075429
encourage immigration and emigration focus.
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>>152075537
>if that's true then that basically kills my interest in this mod
wew
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>>152075429
You can't convert anything larger than Hawaii to states as new world countries.
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>>152075415
It's really not that much micromanaging, you can pull this off well with state capitalism while upgrading your profitable factories as much as you can, just switch your NFs sometimes. If you want an actual profitable industry also make sure to sphere highpop low industry countries and annex a few regions with RGOs that have good industrial applications (rubber, coal, oil, cotton).
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>>152075740
>>152075549
Why not?
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>>152075035
>>no one can buy cheap shit like lumber, fabric, glass, paper, liquor and furniture
they really can't when they struggle to get life needs in the first place
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>>152075897
>still lecturing me
I didnt really ask for it but hey, thanks for the tip i guess. How important is administration when promoting pops?
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>>152075537
>>152075671
Good, keep the redditors out of the grand strategy community.

Now HPM just needs to come out as a neo-nazi, and instantly gain the respect of all /gsg/ loyalists as he keeps the redditor scum at bay.
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best eu3 mods?
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>>152076102
You mean national administration efficiency? Just keep it at 100% so pops promote faster, it's not hard to achieve and maintain this.
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>>152076062
Because HPM deemed it too OP.
You could for instance turn Africa into states then African pops would migrate to USA and assimilate.

Same thing goes for Iberia and Hungarians being accepted in Austrian Greater Germany.
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>>152076146
Actually, that'd be funny. BIG_BENIS_IN_MY_ANUS could post there the picture in which he appears shitposting about jews the same way he did with simsulla.
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>>152076146
He actually is. Someone post that screenshot of him forgetting to take his trip off and posting "the soap is jew" or some shit.
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>>152076230
Death and Taxes.
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>>152076356
So if i get noncore i should get admins up the roof before i start promoting anything?
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>>152076230
MEIOU or Magna Mundi and don't listen to the shitposter >>152076504
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I will change the texan Whigs to be interventionist instead of L-F, since it appears it was actually their policy at the time.

To avoid the US from being locked with L-F only parties for a time too I will do split democrats in Bourbon Democrats and normal democrats at some point, which will be interventionist while the Bourbons will be L-F.

>>152076379
No, I didn't. That's a vanilla setting. In vanilla new world cultures don't emigrate overseas.
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>>152076062
For realism and to make New World countries less overpowered, I assume.

These countries would not only be able to get huge immigration and assimilation bonuses, but they could also get insanely high colonial migration like it's nothing. There would be no reason to play as an European country.
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>>152076596
Well point is you never intended to change it, no?
Can you make Panama canal a colonial state on decision HPM? Every fucking time GP will send 30 divisions to take it and then war exhaustion goes up like its my homeland.
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>>152076596
Would you like to be seen as a neo-nazi in r/paradoxplaza so that redditors stop shitting up /gsg/ looking for you?
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>>152075469
>ignoring Japan
Japan was never athreat to the SU post-Khalkin Gol.

>overestimating the Commonwealth so much
>overestimating the US so much
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>>152076551
Just make sure to get 100% national efficiency at all times. If for some reason you lose some of it, encourage bureaucrats in your (largest) states again.

And yes, first you get 100% efficiency (although sometimes it can be good to combine it with a clergymen NF if you have good tech), then clergymen to 2-4% in every state, then focus on industry.
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>>152076596
What do I do now?
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>>152076945
Aight then.
Got any tips about that craftsmen assimilation thingie?
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>>152076596
Have you considered reducing RGO sizes in some provinces? Small provinces that contain large cities often end up having more grain production than any other province in the game just because they have a lot of farmers, when it doesn't make sense.

New York City, London etc. often end up having more grain production than in the entire Corn Belt.

They tend to produce far more in their RGOs than anywhere else in the developed world.

Tractors should probably cut RGO sizes by half or more.
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>>152077079
Kill yourself
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>>152077079
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>>152077367
>taking territory from the united states
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>>152077175
Make sure you have 100% national admin efficiency, have 2-4% clergymen in the desired state (if their literacy is not 100%) and just encourage craftsmen while building non-meme factories.

Switch to clerks once you feel like you have enough, ideally you need to have 1 clerk per every 5 craftsmen. That's 20%.
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>>152076596
HPM can you add a decision to modernize Moscow?
75% of houses burned down during Napoleon barely 20 years before the game. Like massive investment to turn it into "Vienna of the Tzars" or something.
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>>152076596
HPM, I have a question. How do you set the target for scripted wars? Some anon said it was like pic related but it didn't seem to work
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>>152077549
So whats the non meme factory nowadays...Steel, Beverages, Cement, Luxury stuff and lategame things?
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>>152076596
What's your opinion on this qt argie meme modder? >>152077710
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>>152076596
Can you make it so capitalists build naval bases? They obviously have no reason to build forts but shipping industries were a big deal, being able to charge tolls to use the port, transferring goods from city to city, it was a lucrative enterprise.
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>>152077787
>steel
>non-meme
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>>152077863
It isn't in-game, they wouldn't get anything out of it. There's a way to mod it so that they build forts and ports if you're that kind of lazy faggot though.
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>>152077787
Anything that tends to have high demand in the global market is good. Everything that uses glass, rubber, oil, cotton and lumber.

Steel is pretty shit, only use it if you want to develop a military industry. Most other military industries aren't profitable either, so only invest in this if you have enough states and want to build a really large military for yourself.
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>>152077367
meme

>>152077365
meme
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>>152078035
But for what the game represents they would. I mean, the government doesn't go round building forts, it's given to the military budget and they do it, but some level of abstraction is required.
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>>152077863
Aren't naval bases supposed to be a military building only, or a military building used for commercial shipping purposes along with production facilities?

If the latter, it should probably give you some immigration attraction and bonuses to industry and RGO output. Some mods actually did this.
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>>152078210
Capitalists aren't part of the government aka player, military budget is.
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>>152078391
Capis also get nothing from the railroads they build (Except a near non existent boost to throughput) so by your logic they shouldn't build them either.
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>>152078728
But they get that "non-existent" boost to factories, which is exactly why they build them.
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>>152076787
I don't intend to change it, but it's not something I did. There's a difference.
I guess, though the canal is pretty important so it actually pressuring you for control with WE isn't that bad.

>>152077079
It seems there's still quite a bit to be done.

>>152077295
Provinces don't represent a city only. So there's no New York City. Granted, there's a few provinces that do represent only cities, nominally Gibraltar, Ceuta, Melilla, treaty ports, and a province that while doesn't represent a city, could be considered one (Singapore, being small). The RGO size thing is dealt with initial population (so gibraltar will never go over 40K size because there isn't a lot of people) but it isn't a perfect measure (Hong Kong grew way past 40k despite the size, though that isn't a big problem the way it's done in game).

I won't cut down RGO size with tractors or inventions/technology for now. There's a reason Paradox changed that with HoD and it would end up stimulating huge communist/socialist rebellions.

>>152077602
How did the city evolve historically? I mena there's quite a few fires in a few cities in game but no decision to modernize them because of that.

>>152077710
That seems to be right. What happens when you do it? The war doesn't happen, it ends automatically or something?

>>152077863
Naval bases pretty much represent military installations only, I don't think there's reason for them to invest in them. Granted it would at least help with finding where they are. If I could tie to LF, I would make even Forts upgradeable to represent private military contractors and overall boost LF usefulness. But I can't.
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>>152078828
It's a tiny increase, there is almost no point to it, it's the equivalent to putting a weathercock on top of the factories.
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Daily reminder that Grand Strategy is the whitest, malest genre of games and that never before has a nigger, sandnigger, or girl pondered "should I use this money to build dreadnoughts to counter the UK or build railways to increase Spain's industrial power?"
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>>152078927
>Tiny
With all techs a railway doubles the RGO output and Factory throughput.
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>>152078927
I wouldn't call 16% throughput boost to factories and RGOs per level a weathercock
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>>152078910
The CBs just didn't have any target, when you went to the peace screen, they were worth 0 warscore, and dindn't have any localisation and all of that.
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>>152078910
HPM can you update the HPNNM link in your pastebin? Here's v4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4moy0libs5s876v/HPNNMv4.zip?dl=0
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>>152078910
I'm playing as Texas right now and I got the "acquire American core" CB on Mexico when America manifested itself, I was wondering if:
1. I was supposed to get the CB.
2. I was supposed to get cores, as America does.

If the answer to 1 is yes and 2 is no, why do America get cores and I can't? I have just as much right (i.e, none) to get cores there as America does.
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>>152079179
It's a very nice weathercock.
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>>152078910
https://books.google.rs/books?id=STn96Qeg3D4C&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=rebuilding+moscow&source=bl&ots=HGojhuu5rx&sig=JKX9EiBFPHvRejShgnQoT9fdWNk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-3qjsr8nOAhWHrRoKHXBrCQU4ChDoAQglMAM#v=onepage&q=rebuilding%20moscow&f=false
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>>152078910
>>152079208
Oh, nice, I used "state_province_id" (wich i already tried earlier) without "CHI" at the start and it worked, thanks HPM, you're great. btw, do you know if there's any way to make a country start cut down to size/paying reparations? I think maybe i could try putting something in the history files like pic related (it's from a savegame)
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>>152079975
And to add on this - many European capitols were rebuilt at that time.
For instance London and Gaslights.
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>>152078939
>never before has a nigger, sandnigger, or girl pondered "should I use this money to build dreadnoughts to counter the UK or build railways to increase Spain's industrial power?"

If they did we wouldn't have had colonialism, so godd
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>>152078939
What are the whitest and non-whitest /gsg/ mods?
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>>152079208
You sure you typed the CB right?
If it was a war involving the AI, there's a big chance that one of the CB restrictions is making it non valid.

>>152079340
Sure, thanks.

>>152079383
No, you are not. Is the US not a GP?
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>>152080272
t. hitler the proud woman of color
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Okay did HPM fuck something up in the new verison or is my game defective or something. Literally no one ever defensive or offensive joins my wars ever. I've played as austria, ottomans, russia, prussia and I could never got anyone to join any of my wars in any of my playthroughs.
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>>152080362
>non-whitest
HIP, because of the african meme provinces.
>whitest
HPM, because of the genocide decisions.
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>>152080619
I can't change the AI behavior in that regard.
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>>152080656
You mean SWMH, that's the mod that adds the African provinces. Mini-SWMH even removes chunks of Africa that are in vanilla.
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>>152080656
>grandimod
>white
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>>152080272
Based mods
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>>152080829
Explain how Grandimod is not white.
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>TFW ruling and expanding my realm in CK2 and killing werewolves and ayy lmao's in Bloodborne at the same time

Anyone else ITT on my level?
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>>152080953
>not make steel great again
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>>152080532
>No, you are not. Is the US not a GP?
They was at the time they manifested destiny and they are still now. Infact, I think they have been the entire game.
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>>152080750
But in the previous versions I could at least get them to join some of my wars is it the meme patch that's causing this? Also I have to report some bugs as the ottomans, when you get the fall of darfur event you get darfur as a state and not as a colonial province. Also why the fuck are the sudanese keep revolting 24 7 they literally make up the bulk of every rebellion.
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>>152080750
HPM fyi there's a new AFP.
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>>152080953
t. Grandi
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>>152080008
>>152080532
Hmm, for a day the CB is there, and it targets the proper province, but then it goes away, i tried acquire state and core state, and i also tried making CNJ not a vassal, but none of that worked. What CB restrictions are you talking about specifically?
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>>152081525
Like what?
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1815 start when?
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Is there a list of all countries added in HPM and the tag associated with those countries?
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>>152080532
>>152081548
Civil war and annex do work though.
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American Civil War start readded when?

It's nice to have it when you play as an unciv and don't want to spend half of the game westernizing
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>anything under 1000km2?
Anything that fits, that is. Islands are still excluded, so is Singapore.

>>152081301
It's a bit strange how the "restore america" CB is set up, but it definitively shouldn't be available if America is around I guess.

>>152081451
Could be if you are talking about previous versions without the patch, Wiz changed AI behavior. I really can't change how the AI decide to join you or not.

>>152081476
I saw, thanks a lot.

>>152081548
Yeah, it sounds like CB restrictions. CBs have restrictions in can_use, allowed_states too if it's a state CB.
The country that's getting the CB is not matching one of the set up restrictions.

>>152081790
Top of the countries.txt file.
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>>152078910
>>152082067

Hey HPM. GB got that through event even tho I took Northern and Southern Malaya from them.
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>>152082067
WEW, nice mod simsulla. Thanks HPM, I'll try deleting that.
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>>152082067
So I just ruined non >cheating gross Texas for everyone?


ebin
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>go to the shops
>can't buy a tin of baked beans because my country doesn't have enough philosophers
vickyfags WILL defend this
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>>152082236
Did Perak still exist? That's the only that it could happen, if it exists and it was in the UK sphere of influence.
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>>152082067
If Paradox released Vic2's engine for licensing like they did with the Europa engine, would you make a game like DH or FtG with Vic2?
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>>152082741
>games are like real life
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>>152082741
>GAMES AND REAL LIFE IS DIFFERENT LMAO

You'd make a great online comic I'll tell you what.
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>>152082780
This >>152082741
reminded me.

Can you make Texas start with a canned food factory or something, please? All their parties are lazy fairy so you can't build any factories, so it's one vicious cycle of capitalists never being able to make any money to build more factories as there are no factories.
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Is American Suez too memey?
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>>152082808
No. Modding is a hobby, I already have a job. I'm not really interested in developing stuff professionally as I think it sucks the fun out of it. I would never have the time to do it either as I don't stay in one country for long and I constantly need to move around. Maybe when I settle down and start a family, though I still see it as unlikely.

They also said they are not licensing shit anymore.

>>152083195
See >>152076596
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>>152083423
Can you change it so constitutional monarchies don't get a "government type" to republics? Makes no sense seen as they both hold democratic elections.
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>>152083297
No, you are going to have the Panama Channel anyway, why not both?
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>>152083423
That's a shame, but I get it.
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>>152083752
You mean those diplomatic relations modifiers?
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>>152084074
>>152082443
Hmmm, there doesn't seem to be anything fucking up the CB here, it should work, but if goes away. Really gets your neurons working huh...
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>>152084074
Yes. The ones that stop you getting an alliance.
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>>152084357
Hardcoded.
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post germaniums
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>>152084074
Can you make it so a percentage of conservatives will support revoking social reforms if there is low militancy? Historically conservatives have not been kind to healthcare/workers rights
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>>152084464
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>>152084464
>tfw succeeding Barbarossa was an achievement before GOY$ and now it's a tutorial

when did everything go to shit with Paradox?
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>>152084626
Sometime part way through EU4 development
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>>152084441
It should be possible to pay a shit ton of money during Reconstruction, and send all of the Afro-Americans to Liberia
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>>152084586
This gave me a good kek. Here, have a (You) in return.
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>>152084441
Can you make it so civilised states are hyper aggressive towards uncivilised states when they both own part of a region? It would make the borders so much better.
See: Shona, Zulu and Angoche in pic related


Also, why does Transvaal always take that piece of Botswana?
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Why the fuck is Alex still allowed to post here even after his Grandi Youth doxxed yet another competing modder earlier today?
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>>152085083
Easy there, Carl from Wisconsin.
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>>152085172
who is Carl
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>>152083423
>I don't stay in one country for long and I constantly need to move around.
HPM confirmed for ISIS sleeper rapefugee
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>>152083446
t. wiz
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>>152085083
>>152085172
Did I miss a new meme?
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>>152084441
That poll you made some time ago about changing commie Germany's color to dark red won by far I think, are you going to change it now?
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>>152085507
t. Carlos from La Plata.
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>>152084773
Not such a simple question, since the US is a big place, not everyone is inclined to go back and not everyone in the government is inclined to send them back. I will do something about the back-to-africa stuff but it won't be as trivial as "pay money, everyone out". Well at least it won't be a 100% chance every time.

>>152084841
They kinda are more aggressive, the problem with Portugal is that it's generally poor and its colonies are shit, the AI gets less aggressive when it's bankrupting.

Kimberley? It was disputed between the UK and the boer states, they all have a chance of getting it.

>>152085593
Yes, just give me a share of red.
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>>152085639
What
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>>152085757
Is your name actually Carlos?
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>>152085645
>Not such a simple question, since the US is a big place, not everyone is inclined to go back and not everyone in the government is inclined to send them back. I will do something about the back-to-africa stuff but it won't be as trivial as "pay money, everyone out". Well at least it won't be a 100% chance every time.
That would be cool. I didn't know if you would actually take my suggestion seriously or not
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>>152085830
>Grandi Youth fumblingly trying to doxx a second modder for the day
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>>152085830
Not at all. Who got ""doxxed"" though? I heard UnHPM is "gruica" or something but that's it.
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>>152085757
Hello Carl.
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>>152085948
>knowing someone's name is doxxing
t. Reed
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>>152086017
Shut up or Gruica will punc you in the face for being gey
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>>152086017
I have no idea, I was just memeing.
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>>152086057
t. railroading pro
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I found the problem for the CBs, I'll keep doing the Chinese civil war shit now.

>>152086182
>>152086157
Ok.
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>conquer Canada before UK can colonize everything
>send the blacks back to Africa
America confirmed strongest country in V2
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>>152086017
Alex's butthurt supporters doxxed HPM earlier, phone numbers, address, everything. It was quickly deleted.
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>>152086806
How are they supporters if they dox him?
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>>152086806
>still believing the meme that some random brazilian on facebook is HPM because he has the same name as HPM's fake name
wew lad
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>>152087010
Stop ruining HPM's ruse lad
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>>152086954
t. rob
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>tfw you don't have enough research mana to get the latest prestige mana tech
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This is the original design of the terrain. Still not sure if I should name it "city" or "urban", though I think Urban fits better.

>-Added a Urban terrain type. This needs some explanation: while most provinces have cities in it, the Urban terrain type only represents provinces that are MOSTLY urban covered. So while London province has the London city, it's too big and it's not only (or mostly) London city, it's mostly field. Provinces like Gibraltar, Melilla and Ceuta are the main targets of these. Islands will remain unchanged. To fit in the Urban terrain, a province should have (or represent) less than 1000km2. Singapore, while fitting in the category, doesn't have a big enough settlement to fit in. Urban terrain reduces RGO size by 50%, increases efficiency by 25%, adds 2 defense to defending units and reduces battle sizes by 50%.

Anyway, it's late. Good night /gsg/.
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>>152087892
How do we fix the research system in Vic?

I would add more techs, a better tech tree, make older techs even cheaper than they are now, give the player access to decisions to properly fund research in exchange for a yearly fee.
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>>152088068
Don't bother coming back, Alex
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>>152088183
Being able to buy tech, like in Ricky.
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>>152088183
Fix what? It isn't broken and it makes sense, it's better than most if not all paradox research systems. The only problem is accumulating RP, which shouldn't be possible.
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Why doesn't /gsg/ pool their collective autism and try to create a grand strategy game? I'd be interested in seeing what would come out of it.
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>>152088284
So similar to what I said: buy research points/a research bonus modifier for money.
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>>152088381
Cause most of our regulars are edgy neo-nazi teenagers that try to chase out the adults here.
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>>152088381
There's an anon doing just that right now, he comes in and asks for advice from time to time, he doesn't have a trip or a discord or even a namefag name though.
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>>152088256
>that one guy who always try to act though when HPM leaves
kek
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>>152088349
It's definitely shit, your average country won't be able to have all or most of the techs it had historically due to how the system works. Britain for instance might get all the industry techs but then end up with few or no military or naval ones, which makes no sense.

Compare the 1836 and 1861 starts. Countries in 1861 will have about 10-15 techs in every category, including Latin American shitholes. But if you start in 1836? They start with 0-5 in each category, you won't be able to get half of the techs by 1861.
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>>152088714
>you won't be able to get half of the techs by 1861
get good
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>>152088694
t. HPMIDF
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>>152088068
>London province is too big
lad what, it's like the smallest province in England
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>>152088714
You what, most GPs have a pretty much easy time to keep up with tech unless they are extremely illiterate like Russia.

>using 1861 as an argument
>using latin american shitholes that shouldn't have the techs when Paradox can't even get their literacy right as an example
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>>152088714
Also it's easy to end up getting all techs by the 1920s, then you end up doing absolutely nothing for about a decade. All countries will have similar levels of tech by the end of the game but not earlier which is NOT historical.

You shouldn't be able to max out all research, the game should properly force or encourage you to focus on some areas (which is partially represented by tech schools), so add more techs. One PDM mod did this.
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>>152088996
>it's too hard for countries to tech
>it's too easy for countries to get all techs
You need to make up your mind.
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>>152088814
You literally can't. No git gud memes or anything. You will end up short on at least 2 tech categories by 1861 no matter what you do.

>>152088928
It happens for every civilized country, really.
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>>>/his/1563675
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>>152089168
What happens for every civilized country?
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>>152089118
Are you legit retarded? They get all the techs during the late game (when they are already cheap) but not earlier when they should already have them.

Of course you know really know shit about the game so why am I even wasting time on you?
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>>152089420
So you are saying they should keep up in tech while also not being able to keep up in techs?
wew
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>>152088381
There is no need for that. If you are an advanced gsg player, you don't even need a computer anymore.
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>>152089529
They only manage to keep up when it comes to tech in the late game because they can't research anything else in the same category, so that's when they get the leftovers (or "bad techs). Earlier on they have trouble keeping up to historical levels because techs are still expensive and they don't have enough research points.

And this happens to every country no matter what, during the first decades they end up extremely short on at least 2 tech categories, but then as techs start to run out after 1900, they keep up and become all similar.

Basically, earlier on no one will reach historical levels of tech, but later not only everyone eventually manages to get everything with a minimum delay of about 2 deacdes, but most countries who started out as civilized end up the same for the most part. It's a pretty dumb system.

Tech from 1900-1935 is not represented very well.
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>>152089724
You know, that's how I always assumed world tension would work in HoI4
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>>152076596
I've been playing as the USA, and being stuck on Laissez Faire in 1836 doesn't seem to hurt its industry too badly. I've never dropped from 3rd place
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>>152090292
So you are saying that backwards nations can only get shit techs later than most?
How unrealistic.

>his happens to every country no matter what,
Nah, it's pretty easy as GP to keep up in 2-3 fields.

Maybe you just need to git gud
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>>152089724
Oh fuck I have one of these too
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>>152088068
Coult you try to make London, Paris, NYC, Krakow, Berlin, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Mexico City, Tokyo, Beijing, Bangkok, Sydney, Liverpool, Manchester, Stockolm, Hamburg, Rome, Nice, Barcelona, Lisboa, Madrid, Moscow, Tehran, Istanbul, Cairo, Vienna, Budapest, Cape Town and so on smaller so they could fit the criteria?
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>>152090471
You literally just proved my point, you just said that it's easy to keep up in 2-3 fields but that's all. The other fields will end up being neglected almost entirely. Typically naval and commerce. That's NOT historical, historically they might have ended up having a slight disadvantage in a certain field but here, they end up being stagnated in the 30s.

Your typical civilized country with 4-5 techs in every category by 1836 will either end up getting a weak unhistorical mix of techs in all categories, or end up specializing in 1-2 fields (which can easily just be what the average country had, only that IRL they also had similar progress in all categories) and the other techs end up being 1-2 decades old, when again, it wasn't the case historically.

Git gud? You just can't get enough research points to get all historical techs by the first half of the game at least. No matter how many clergymen and clerks you spam.
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>>152066320
>niggerkiss or whatever
Man, it's been like 20 years since I've eaten any. Completely forgot it exists. I'll have to look up the recipe now, thanks.
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Allahu akbar~
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>>152091269
I think the only thing you really need to fix is make older techs cost less as the game goes on, in the same way as techs cost more ahead of time in EU
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>>152091269
Yes it was the case, GPs weren't literally always at the head of every field.

>nd the other techs end up being 1-2 decades old, when again, it wasn't the case historically.
>civilized countries shouldn't fall behind in tech
>they shouldn't need to specialize
>but late game everyone has everything, this shouldn't happen
You are retarded

>all historical techs
No such thing as historical techs, it represents something that's quite abstract IRL too.

Not even that guy.

>>152091617
It already works like that.
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>>152091576
EU4 is a 4x, and doesn't belong in this general.
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>>152091576
Allahu Akbar, Allah has granted you victory against the infidels
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>CK 2 is easier than Victoria 2

Am I being meme'd? CK 2 is an order of magnitude more complex than V2
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>>152092069
are you retarded
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>>152091829
Thanks for the (You), lad.
>>152091960
Alhamdullilah.
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>>152092069
I can't tell if you're trolling or not
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>>152092069
CK2 has absolutely no difficulty whatsoever.
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It feels good to exploit these uncivilized mongrels, all while while denouncing colonialism as cruel
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>>152092216
Neither does any Paracuck game when you think about it.
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>CKII
>can't press all de jure claims at once
>can only claim a county at a time
Has it always been this way?
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>>152085645
>Yes, just give me a share of red
How about the red from the DDR flag?

#FF0000
(255 0 0)

Alternatively the red from the communist party of Germany flag (pic related), which is a bit darker.

#DE0000
(222 0 0)
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>>152085645
>They kinda are more aggressive, the problem with Portugal is that it's generally poor and its colonies are shit, the AI gets less aggressive when it's bankrupting.
Yeah, but look at Metebeleland. Britain should be sorting that shit out and forming gross rhodesiums.
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>scarred 5 year old girl
i don't get it
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Land of immigrants my ass.
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i'm a fucking retard and need handholding manually exporting HIP into euiv. what could i be doing wrong ?
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>>152094123
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>>152094231
It's literally impossible.
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>>152094231
You cant do that, you can mod EU4 if you're willing to.
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>>152094317
well it got better after i passed the all accepted culture reform
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>>152093903
Had to be pulled outta her mom with tongs.
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>>152094741
I hate that I can't be racist in this game without getting punished.
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>>152094886
Jesus christ.
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>>152094123
>land of immigrants

>there are people alive who unironically believe the US was created so it could attract immigrants
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>Six years of IC runs as Wrangelist Russia
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Can I get some upvotes /b/ros?
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reminder that Reactionaries are undoubtedly the best party
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what was he trying to say?
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>>152096850
irecucks BTFO
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>>152096850
he's obviously telling you Irish are potato niggers
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So what are my goals?
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>>152097183
To not post this every 5 minutes
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>>152097183
Dominion over the Pacific and India Oceans.
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>>152097183
to wear wooden clogs and dance in front of a windmill
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>>152097183
Lad, I already told you New Amsterdam and all of SA, did you not listen?
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>>152097295
>Not annexing South Africa

btw lads how do you annex SA I'm also doing a game and anglos can be dificult to defeat
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>>152097321
>>152097328
>slight but still on-topic shitposts instantly deleted
what up janny/grandi/granny
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>>152096695
>implying every single person's life couldn't be improved by moving to the US
>implying that's feasible

The idea that Jefferson and Franklin were arguing and fighting so that someday, immigrants could come in with zero regard to the true liberalism this country was built on is enraging. "There's money there and I want to leach off it" isn't a valid reason for immigration.

>implying I'm talking about Mexicans
>implying immigrants from the Anglosphere aren't a cancer
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>>152097452
1. Ally Prussia.
2. Move all your troops to Indonesia, build enough transports to carry them.
3. Justify place in the sun on UK.
4. Go to war with Belgium for restore order once it's done, UK will join.
5. Germaniums will occupy Belgium for you, you use indonesiacorps to take SA.
6. Ticking warscore wins for you.

Don't worry about UK landing troops in the mainland, Prussia will deal with it. Also, don't worry about the royal navy, they stay in the channel, blockading your shit.
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>>152097183
Entire southern horn of Africa, Japanese port cities, New Amsterdam + the Mennonites/Amish.
If you wanna be a little shitter try and get England for the house of Oranje.
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>>152097183
Take Florida. all swamps are rightful dutch clay
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>>152097620
Pic fails at its intended goal, just shows the TSA is retarded and we shouldn't have to take our shoes off
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>>152092069
Well I mean, we all have autism here and
>game about human interactions
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>>152097865
You can't take England, because the UK's capital is there.
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>>152097979
You think so small.
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Why do people still pay for DLCs for this broken ass game?
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>>152098164
That image doesn't display an error, and because they don't know any better, have lower standards than you, or want to support Paradox for some reason.
>>
What's better: Pops of Darkness or Divide by Zero?
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For ck2 what education focus do you set up? I to for prides to martial for all of my boys. Just incase something happens to main heir.
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>>152098164
Why do people still post here about this game when it belongs in the 4x general?
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>>152098271
>the netherlands attacking dutch seperatists isn't an error
wew
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>>152098396
>I to for prides to martial for all of my boys
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what did he mean by this
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>>152097971
maybe
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>>152098671
>inb4 deleted
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>>152097452
Restore order on Belgium ASAP, separate peace with them and add wargoals for the Cape once you start getting ticking warscore.
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>>152097789
thank you
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>>152098763
I already gave him a comprehensive guide, lad.
>>152097789
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So wine is just as profitable as liquor?
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>>152098916
It's usualyl close, but it varies depending on RGOs.
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>>152098587
I should stop posting on my phone or atleast remember that I should double check my post. I always go pride to martial education for my ck2 boys. There
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>>152098916
has nowhere near its demand
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>>152098846
YW, lad. I remember how hard I thought it was when I wanted to do it.
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>14 posts till sage
>no new thread
Is r&i slipping?
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New Thread
>>152099193
>>152099193
>>152099193
>>152099193
>>152099193
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>>152098446
It isn't
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>>152098916
Profitability depends on a lot of things.
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>>152098164
Its fun.
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>>152051075

>australian intellectuals
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>>152099664
What's the problem?
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>>152097620
He's right you know
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