/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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R.I.P.

>>151476752
I've been through those branches with a human meleedude too. While it wasn't quite as bad, you still get a lot of hunger from waiting to heal up after fights.

>>151477154
permafood tho

it's only really an issue if you're throwing around OODs with really low spellcasting skill or something

maybe if you're the legendary TrCj

>>151477217
>You will never be the legendary troll lich with draining claws
Why unlive?

>>151477594
>using claws
>not binding tab to ^Qyes and clearing the game with only conjurations

>>151478572
>Branded claws
>Eternally hungering troll found that his hunger for the eternal secrets of death was greater than the hunger of the flesh
>Ripping and tearing with badass bone claws
>Skeleton troll
How do you think that this isn't the tightest shit?

>>151478734
Your imagination is better than mines apparently.

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Arise chicken

>>151480484
>not wearing a fedora

>>151480926
RIP little orc. He tried.

I masturbated to previous OP pic shamelessly. Flat chested genki tummies, man...

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>>151481550
Get the FUCK out. Lolis are NOT for lewd, they are for CUTE

>>151482045
She's not a fucking loli man

>>151482174
>that face
>that body
My dude...

>>151482045
Why is that girl moshing in the woods? Doesn't she know that metalcore is shit?

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Trog or Okawaru?

>>151482647
CAN'T FRAG THE GOZAG

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>>151482687
nah

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>>151482793
How many games of oka and trog have you played? My nigga Gozag will foot the bill for one measly game.

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>>151482863
ok

>>151483170
Get ready to wop your wad on the counter, lad.

How's Prospector these days?

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5th Zig already yet I still don't have a glorious benis necklace. Do unrandarts somehow vanish and become permanently missable when I don't pick them up and move on to another Zig floor?

>>151485936
That's exactly how ti is, same with pan and to a lesser extent abyss

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>implying you can refrain from masturbating

I was gone for two weeks, did anything interesting happen? Did the writefag write a piece for every god? Did someone save them?

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We /trog/ now.

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How do I make another character on webtiles if I want to park a save and start another run?

>>151489026
make a new account or play a different version
you can play on the account rlgrobin, pass: robin

>>151489026
wait pass is ownfault apparently, on CBRO/CAO

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>>151476925
Noice fucking 5 mate, checked.

>>151489307
That's just bullshit.
Also rlgrobin doesn't seem to work on Xtahua.

>>151489468
Just make another, you don't need a real email for it to work

>>151489468
You can make an rlgrobin on any server, so all of us can play on it. If you don't want people fucking with your save you can just make your own private account. Like the other anon said all you need is any email, and an account name.

>>151489664
Yeah I made an rlgrobin on Xtahua.

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>>151482045
This desu.

Chances of the returning of the Dicksman.
Zero percent.

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>tfw going for 9 weeks long therapy for alcoholics
I'll miss you /rlg/, the Internet and all the lewd flat chested tummies
holy shit literal 9 weeks of total isolation from outside world
bye

>>151490979
Be sure to do nofap as well
And bring an usb stick loaded with roguelikes to channel your autism away

>>151491078
I won't be able to fap and both my laptop and smartphone will be taken away

literally Tibetan monk lifestyle except for the group meetings to talk about the problem which will take 3/4 of a day

>>151488242
I have most, if not all of the ones he did, but I don't think he did one for every god.

>>151491390
Those rehab centers are expensive and complete bullshit.
You should try looking up actual solutions instead of wishy-washy superstitious shit like that.

>>151491545
atheist

>>151491695
Yes, I have the one he did for atheist too, if that's what you're asking

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Which one is actually the best?
Does the bonus crit chance effect applies to all activated abilities or caster only shit in particular?
>>151490979
>9 weeks
>as in, fucking 2 months
>2 months of not getting your ass drunk and jacking off to lolishit
That doesn't sound like the way of the Reveler.
Why?
I think you should ditch that idea, anon, unless your relatives are pressing you into this.

>>151491652
>actual solutions
like those pills that literally cost 50 000 usd each? I'll stick to the mix of therapy, hypnosis, regular AA meetings and changes in lifestyle

>>151493197
literally just taper man

>>151493197
maybe I'll throw in electrostimulation
also there are free therapies in Poland

I'm actually more afraid of no Internet, no rlg, no hentai and general isolation

I wonder how many terrorist attacks will happen during that time thanks to The Religion of Peace™

for all I know a WWIII could start while I'm in a middle of nowhere in a little castle like mansion with lakes and forests which is where psychotherapy will take place

>>151493295
>literally just taper
you have no clue about alcohol dependence disease

anyway, see you sometime in September, /rlg/

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>>151493571
>has a drinking problem
>in poland
шмх
тбх
фэм

>>151493760
holy fuck is gonna be October

>>151493809
literally what? we don't speak Cyrillic

>>151493809
>shmch
>tbch
>fem

>>151480223
>>>/tumblr/

>>151493924
He's berating you for being a failure in the eyes of the entire slavic race.
Don't fight it, embrace it, chug it.

>>151493571
>>151490979
>months of isolation
>in a middle of nowhere in a little castle like mansion with lakes and forests
Tell him we miss him.

>>151493760
>alcohol dependence disease
>disease
>waah I can't stop chugging these beers waah

lol

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>>151490979

>he unironically fell for the therapy meme

Oh god have pity on my sides just how dumb can you get?! ahahahahhahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

/rlg/ - my blog

>>151493571
Sup kurwa, another slav here

>>151493809
Polaks cant read cyrilics you retarded fuck, jebemti mater retardiranu, majko mila..

WAIT
>the mysterious floating orb
>soup's on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib2Vl7JEjfc
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS, /rlg/????

>>151487274

Seriously? Good thing I made the correct choice to check every single tile of loot at the end of a floor. Those corpses on top of loot are a serious pest. Wish I had an efficient way of cleaning corpse bloat to ease my eyes but I don't have 4 spell levels to spare for animate dead.

>>151495939
Why not just search for loot thats on the floor.. You dont have to clear anything then..

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>>151495795
Not only you don't need to be able to read cytillics to understand that simple maymay combination of 3 short words, but also all languages of the slavic family are a bit similar and certain word constructions can be recognized by slavs regardless of their place of origin.
There's even been a project of developing a full-fledged interslavic language that can be more or less understood by any slav.
And don't you say shit about my mummy.

>>151496240
Well i know what you wrote, because its fairly simple and i can read bit of russian and serbian cyrilics. And is there? That is cool maybe, who knows.
And ill say whatever i want about your mummy

>>151496240
>>151496348
Also, im not the anon you responded with nor am i a polak either

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RIP Hep

>>151496028

Oh wow, that Ctrl+f+. is damn convenient

>>151496348
Yah, it's quite fascinating, really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interslavic_language
>Medžuslovjanski jest język, ktory Slovjani iz råznyh narodov koristajųt, že by komunikovali medžu sobojų. To jest možno, ibo slovjanske języki sųt shodna i srodna grupa. Znanje jednogo języka obyčno jest dostatočno, že by imělo sę priblizno pojmanje, o čem jest tekst na kakom-nebųď drugom slovjanskom języku. Črěz věki, Slovjani sųt naučili dogovarjati sę s svojimi sųsědami posrědstvom prostyh, improvizovanyh narěčij. Jednočasno, medžusobna shodnosť vsěh slovjanskih językov jest nadyhala językoznavcev i drugih k tvorjenju generičnogo slovjanskogo języka, råzumlivogo vsěm Slovjanam. Srěd nih nahodęt sę slavny starocŕkovnoslovjanski język iz 9. stolětja, kako i mnoge ine projekty, publikovane od 16. stolětja do dneś pod imenami kako «vseslovjanski», «medžuslovjanski», «novoslovjanski», «obćeslovjanski» ili prosto «slovjanski», vse osnovane na těhže prědpoloženjah, čto čini ih blizko identičnymi.
From their website.

>>151496596
So many glyphs unused in roguelikes.

>>151496503
You can easily filter it by floors or search for specific name
So d:15 will show all loot on d:15, ziggurt:27 the loot on 27th floor of ziggurat and so on
I forgot how to search rarity class items, as in enchanted, non-enchanted, randarts.. I believe randart works for randarts you saw, but i really cant remember. Maybe help might have a bit about that or simply inspect an item and check its marks it has, at the bottom of the item, like the two-hand, mace, etc..

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>burning underwater
Nice game tometards.

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Revolving doors of Xomu.

>>151497386
I heard that getting out of Abyss is actually a lot easier now in trunk, is that so?

sorry for derailing but
>therapy is a meme
are you people seriously this ignorant believing that willpower alone is enough to stop drinking or are there actual working methods that don't cost tens of thousands of dollars and don't require months of your life taken away?

>>151497798
Yes, you take all that money and start buying weaboo figurines.

>>151497798

>are there actual working methods that don't cost tens of thousands of dollars

But of course. It doesn't even cost anything.

>and don't require months of your life taken away

You mean, requiring you to breathe and living your everyday life?

>are you people seriously this ignorant believing that willpower alone is enough to stop (insert literally any addiction here that doesn't deteriorate physical brain matter)

ahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA

>>151497453
Yeah. If you see the message "Killing monsters will force the Abyss to allow you passage." there, that means that after you kill a bunch of dudes, a portal will generate, either leading down or out (on A:5 I believe it is always out? not sure).

>>151497798
My father used to get drunk often as fuck and all he did to stop was get some drops that'd make him feel like shit if he drunk alcohol and attend AA meetings.
Eighteen years later he hasn't touched alcohol yet, although he still goes to AA once a week as he got very involved wit the people there and likes meeting them/helping the newcomers.

"Just fucking do it" isn't a meme, it just means you should fucking do it and you don't need thousands of dollars worth of crutches to fucking do it.

>>151497798
>don't require months of your life taken away
Forgot to mention this is completely unthinkable to me. To fully bring to a halt your normal life, retract yourself back into a figurative societal womb and live in an isolation that drains your and probably your family's cash until you arbitrarily come out. Probably just to fall back into the habits that led you to drink in the first place, since you've done nothing to get better ones or otherwise get yourself busy.

>>151499173

Abyss is getting more casual by the minute and no one is doing something to stop it

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>1 AC
>Take 6 turns
>Lose 5 HP

How did the waaah centaurs so hard meme even get started?

>>151500520
There are too many ways to get banished to the abyss (way OoD enemies everywhere, etc.). Such is the minimum requirement to be able to make the game playable outside pure dice-rolling.

>>151498329
alcohol dependence physically restructures brain
its also permanent which is why you either drink to premature death or become abstinent for the rest of your life, there's no in between

I wish I was the kind of a person who doesn't develop dependence and can enjoy a drink once in a while, well, never more

but hey there's so much other less lethal drugs!

ok now for the first AA meeting in my pre-therapy detoxification place

>>151500656
Some classes receive ridiculous damage per shot, never dodge or block a shot and end up almost dead by the point they reach melee range. Now do it again when a whole centaur group is in range.

>>151500520
Abyss is shit and deserves to be neutered.
There isn't even a stair.
>>151500656
Crawl is a highly variant game.
It could have easily taken you to 2/5 HP in two turns and then killed you while you climbed the stairs.

>>151500823
t. inbred

>>151500656
Nigga my Yak-slaying Duvessa-killing Naga just got beaten to death in melee by a Centaur who for some reason packed THREE healing potions

>>151499792
This. Shipping off to Camp No-Drinkum is just a recipe for reverting back when you return to reality.
Can't wait until anon's family finds out that it was all a huge fucking waste -- I can nearly taste the shame and heartbreak as we speak.

>>151500823
>"it's not the choices I make, it's just who I am!"
Disaster incoming, by now roguelikes should've taught you that you are your own fault.

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>>151501164
>Can't wait until anon's family finds out that it was all a huge fucking waste -- I can nearly taste the shame and heartbreak as we speak.
>they find his stash of loli doujins while he's gone

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>>151500725
>>151500919

Are you fucking serious? Even /rlg/ is not safe from casualization cancer? Not even 10 minutes had passed and these 2 zombies already popped out.

>>151501805
>caring about the abyss when there's no hydrataur
Shit's boring, anon.

I think statue form is still useful for my mostly pure mage character, but how about dragon form and hydra form? Any point?

>>151502140

>wanting to be slow overall for useless AC and additional melee damage you're not even supposed to do

fault

>>151495939
ctrl+x my dude

>>151502280
But what about the electricity/poison/negative resistance? Not worth the low speed?

>>151501805
I bet you're always totally prepared on D:1 right out the gate to be pulled into the abyss by XL:3, too.

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About to dive into Elona srsly for the first time.
Goodbye world.

>>151502404
Maybe he doesn't ignore the warnings that are displayed when a monster has a disto weapon, anon. Maybe he just walks away. Maybe lots of other players successfully avoid banishment by playing intelligently.

>>151502404

>D1 abyss

Does losing not even a single minute's worth of time that bothering you? Or are you an e-sporter with a 100 win streak?

>>151502586
>I have never played the game but I'm an expert on the topic
Erry tiem

>>151502586
Maybe it's Maybelline.

>>151502586

Maybe he uses Naga of Chei

>>151502638
I'm sorry if this is difficult for you, anon.

>>151484357
Dead

>>151502967
>>151502638

To be honest I don't get banished to the abyss that often, usually not until one of the Lair branches. Just don't anyone with a distortion weapon near, it's not that hard.

>>151503152
Keep playing poorly and become the REAL expert, that'll show him.

>>151502389

What kind of mage are you, where do you plan to use it, and in what stage of the game are you now anyway?

>>151503284
>it's not that hard
>half the uniques at this point can banish you as soon as they're in los
At least play the game

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I have no idea what I am doing, but I have a subtle feeling that I should've invested heavier into DOTs, since that's what corruptors seem to be all about, but I couldn't resist getting all those sustain abilities and resist penetration. Like, Blood Grasp seems to be doing exactly the same damage as Soul Rot, but costs only slightly more, cools down only 1 turn slower but also restores half the amount of damage dealt in HP.
Any advice on how to build this class? Or am I fucked beyond repair already?

>>151503627
Which midgame uniques have the banish spell besides Louise and Erolcha?

>>151503627
What unique are banishing you early game? Maybe i'm just lucky.

>>151503627
Louise+Erolcha+?
The abyss isn't imbalanced. It's very easy to avoid getting banished.
It's just annoying to play.

Sif muna is so fucking useless. He'd be better if he started gifting books sooner/more often. Channel energy is useful but i dont think its enough to carry you while you're waiting for more powerful spells.

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Does Duskers count as a roguelikelite?

I'll be honest with you, i'm trying to find anywhere on /vg/ that will talk about this fucking game.

I would like to discuss Olgreb's Toxic Radiance.

1. Since it's monoschool you will have it at 12% success rate on D:2
2. One casting kills everything in your LOS which doesn't resist poison
3. It also kills everything not in your LOS because the effect lingers for three turns

So what's the drawback?

>>151505145

>kills everything

Rejected. The essence of poisoning is DPS, not instant noodles.

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>>151503962
>ToME 4

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>>151504943
Not a roguelike.

>tfw stuck between 2 ghosts on both floors after trying to escape another one 3 floors up.
I feel like this game sometimes tries to kill off specific characters

>>151505724
>go down another floor
>cornered by yet another ghost
Thankfully it cast teleport other on me. What a bro

>>151505694
This is fucking infuriating, every thread i've tried talking about this game in results in "NOT AN <X> GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEE FUKIN NORMIES" but the game doesn't have enough of a following to support its own general.

What specific qualities does it lack to be a roguelike or roguelite?

>>151505992
Well why don't you try THE FUCKING VIDEO GAME BOARD GODDAMN YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!

See berlin interpretation for a good guideline on defining the genre of rougelieks.

>>151505535
I only have crawl, tome and adom on this computer. Tried to get into PCB, couldn't, it's fucking boring. Is Demon any good?

>>151506213
>Is Demon any good?

It's adequate.

>>151506186
Berlin interpretation:

>Random environment generation
Yes, the ships you explore, the systems those ships are in and the universe made of those systems are randomly generated.

>Permadeath
Yes

>Turn-based
Partially in that "Each command corresponds to a single action/movement" command being quite literal in this case

>Grid-based
Yes but grids are turned off visually

>Non-modal
Yes, everything gameplay related is in the same mode

>Complexity
Yes, the game has enough complexity to provide multitudes of solutions to the same situation

>Resource management
Several resources must be managed, not only the state of repair of the drones you control but also two different types of fuel for your ship and resources to repair, maintain and modify drones and ships

>Hack'n'slash
Killing enemies is important, there are no friendly enemies, no peace treaties or the like.

>Exploration and discovery
The game is entirely centred around exploration of the derelict ships you find

That is every major qualification of the Berlin Interpretation met and it meets every minor qualification except ASCII display, despite being a text based game.

IT MEETS YOUR OWN FUCKING DEFINITION OF ROGUELIKE.

>>151502479
>srsly
Enjoy 200+ hours of grinding.

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>>151497798
>asking for important life advice on a thread about videogames that people only play because their computers are ancient

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Can it be? The legendary non-suck Octopode, said to only appear once every 1000 games?

>>151507909
New games don't last me like roguelikes. Ascii is best for imasine too.

>>151507835
Nevermind, it doesn't even launch.
Welcome back world.

>>151507478
Great, stick around and talk to us about this game, shill me on it as well.

>>151500823

>alcohol physically restructures brain

love this meme

>>151505145
>So what's the drawback?

Since it's poison magic, every skill point you waste on it is a point you could have used to make your character not get killed by the many opponents who are simply immune to poison.

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>>151508169

Noob, you opened the Elona custom exe file didn't you?

>>151508315
Addiction does radically alter the signals your brain sends out. I've beaten addiction through willpower but it sucks, like "do nothing but shitpost and play DCSS for 6 months" sucks. It's much easier to find Jesus.

>>151508169
Read the readme man

>>151508568
Maybe.
But I tried both exes and neither worked.
Also is the custom supposed to overwrite any files? Because the one I downloaded has all its own files, overwrites nothing.

>>151508563

Yet Poison Arrow is objectively the best single target spell against Cerebov????

>>151508178
Man i'm not even trying to shill, I just want to talk to someone who has played it, discuss best tactics, share funny stories etc.

The first three runs I tried in the game I didn't realise just how fucked I was, none of my random starter drones came with sensors of any sort, so I couldn't even see what was killing them.

Try four one of them generated with a motion sensor addon and my mind was blown.

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>>151507478
>Turn-based
>partially

>>151508563
OTR and Poison Cloud are unarguably the most MP-efficient killing tools in the game. Every mage can use them.

>>151508910
Commands given to your drones are carried out in programmatic turn order. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

>>151509048
Is the game actually turn-based in the same was that chess is?

>>151508876
>tfw was serious because know nothing about the game and want to know why you want to talk about it so much

>>151509202
No it is not.

Look, okay, if you just don't want me to talk about this game that's fine.

I had the same resistance in /simg/, whose OP copypasta outright states that it is for talking about all vehicle simulations. But the people there only talk about a specific flight sim and wanted me banned for talking about Train Simulator.

If that is what is happening, fine, whatever.
Duskers diverges from the Berlin Interpretation in three places in very minor ways but if you want to rules lawyer and get a mod to ban me or whatever, go for it.

Guess i'll go and try to get a fucking conversation on the steam forums.

>>15150514
it's pretty diesel early on, but it loses its stopping power later on when everything is strong enough to survive the poison. Still, it's great to get you through packs of orcs/gnolls/yaks, anything that isn't poison resistant early on will usually die from 2 casts of it before they ever get close enough to attack

>>151505535
There's literally nothing wrong with ToME, minion.

>>151509575
>>151509575
nah man, stick around. Tell me more about this game. Don't be so quick to let trolls get under your skin. This general is dead as fuck anyways, any new activity is a welcome change.

>>151496463
Fucking hell...

>>151496463

>frail 2

I can finally get frail 3 much easier without risking teleportitis. Thanks devs

>>151496463
>Felid HP Sp/Vs
An used tissue is more durable than that

>>151508613
Shit, son. That nigga has to be the son of Waldo and Carmen Sandiego, because I've never seen him.

>>151504706
It's only difficult if you start as a Wz and don't find any other book in the Orchish Mines.

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>>151507478
>Turn-based
>Partially

So close.

My elona character isn't having much luck with mutations.
Especially in the CHA department

>>151511919
That's where investments come in. Use potions of mutation.

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>>151508001
holy fug

I swear if you splat this cephalopod I'll be mildly disappointed in you.

>>151505992
isn't there an indie game thread or something?
there used to be

>>151509221
I realize this is 4chan, but not everything is a conspiracy in which greedy actors are trying to manipulate you. Everyone knows you don't have any money and you would just pirate the game anyway.

>>151511696
Now imagine him spawning with a branded exe-axe.

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>>151512995
That's exactly what a dirty shill would say.
Fuck off shill!

>>151512480
No way, I'm going maximum pussyfooting from now on. That summon spell is at 84%, if I can just avoid that fucking hydra on L:1 a bit longer then I'm set for 3 rune

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>get cocky and don't ID every scroll as a mummy
>this happens

fugg

>>151505992
<X> is not a roguelike is pretty much a /rlg/ meme. I'm pretty sure if you posted about fudgin' Rogue, someone would complain that it isn't a roguelike. I think Ducksters is close enough to a roguelike that it qualifies, even though it isn't FOSS or ASCII.

>>151505992

Why do you think Elona is a valid roguelike of discussion here even though it's technically not a roguelike?

>>151515205
Because loli/Touhoufags dominate these threads for some reason.

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>>151490979
This is your training arc. You will come back as super rlgan 2. Ganbatte, anon-kun.

>>151511294
but that's exactly why Sif sucks. By the time I finish orc, any other god would probably be up and functional. The whole point of choosing Sif is so I don't have to wait so long to find better spellbooks, but I still find myself relying on the chance and hoping one just spawns, so what's even the point? So Sif, the "magic" god isn't a good for a Wz start. If you're a conjurer or elementalist, you're better off just picking vehumet.

Threadly reminder that Roguelikes are, in fact, a subgenre of RPGs.

>>151499471
>AA
>some special drug drops
That is not even remotely "just fucking do it". Good on your dad for dropping the habit, but he had a hell of a pair of crutches.

>>151514917
>I'm pretty sure if you posted about fudgin' Rogue, someone would complain that it isn't a roguelike.
It isn't, though.

>>151508315
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome

Fucking idiot. I thought /rlg/ was supposed to be smart?

>>151515851
Nigga, you choose her to keep casting spells like there's no tomorrow, and she later gives you some other spells.
If you're completely focused on conjurations, go Vehu.

>>151516523
Back the fuck off?!!

>>151516668
*grabs you by the throat*

>>151516523

So how is that supposed to imply anything that could remotely physically restructure brain, enlightened one?

>>151516523
>community for a dead genre of freeware games
>smart

The people here are about at the same level as /x/ or /pol/.

>>151492964
Starting with anything other than the +class/+generic point potions is demonstrably wrong in 99% of cases.

Also, explosive force is spell crit and should apply to anything that qualifies as "Is: A spell", regardless of it being evoked or cast yourself.

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>>151516880
I can't find the goddamned bear image. Oh, well...

>>151517363
>a hyper-excitable response of the central nervous system due to lack of alcohol.
>alcohol-induced neuro-adaptation
>Chronic use of alcohol leads to changes in brain chemistry
It might not literally restructure the brain, but it sure as hell fucks with it on a physical level.

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>>151516523
>I thought /rlg/ was supposed to be smart?

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Is this enough EV?

>>151517973

Then you're mistaking malfunction to physical brain restructure. Those could be fixed by pure abstinence.

>>151518323
Yes.

>>151515851

sif needs to have mp channeling removed or something and instead given a passive at ** that removes hunger from cast spells and have her gift one decent jack of all trades book immediately at *** with guaranteed mystic blast or an equivalent

otherwise every game you are a slave to book drops until mid lair when she finally starts gifting and far better off going for vehu

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>>151476804
Newfag for rlg here.

I read the FAQ and what to play and I was wondering what is rlg's thoughts on the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon franchise? Do you consider the game a Roguelike? It was one of the very best videogames I grew up with because it blended a Story, Roguelike gameplay, and elements of pokemon very well.

>>151518323
It depends on your GDR.

>>151514004
>wearing harm
>equip-ID'ing amulets now that harm inflicts red drain
You'd have recieved like 13-ish less points of damage if it wasn't for that piece of shit.

>>151514004
theres like 10 faults right there

>>151503962
I wouldn't say fucked. IMO curses are useless (maybe vuln) and so are hexes besides pacification, but you're playing a yeek and don't have torment or light open so not a lot of options for generics that are any good.

Soul rot crits constantly and you want to be able to cast more than one thing every 5 turns, right? It and blood grasp will carry you for a while, especially if you put points in plague. Diseases take a decent amount of points to get going but catalepsy bombs used to be OP as shit. The tree's been nerfed since, but should still be really effective.

Also, con is a ruse. Max magic and willpower, then cun I guess. If you want HP, wear HP gear, though with bone shield, shield runes, and enough damage you really shouldn't give much of a shit about it.

>>151519342
yes

>>151519342
I consider the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games to be roguelikes. They meet all the requirements except permadeath, which is replaced with item destruction, which is almost as punishing when one considers the game is for children.

However, the game is too childlike and simple for many people's taste here. Only being able to use 4 abilities at a time and 1 equipment slot gets boring fast. Most here prefer more complex games like CDDA, poschengband, nethack, or (((Dwarf Fortress))).

Also the JRPG grindiness is irritating. It's also why Elona+ sucks.

>>151516114
Do normies even know what roguelikes are or do I gotta say I like to play RPGs

>>151520452
>poschengband
What

>>151522160
>Talking to normies

>>151522576
?
PCB is the most played game in /rlg/

>>151520452
>>151520330
Thank you! I expected that someone would talk about the simplicity of the gameplay, but I didn't expect that someone would go into the detail that you did.

>>151522681
Maybe we're reading different threads. The one I'm in is consistently 95% crawlposting

>>151520310
I already made a mistake of trying to take on The Big Z since it was my first time starting as Yeek. He just shadowstepped 2-shotted me, and even with around 50 hp left and 70 hp leeched from a 140 damage blood grasp on top of that did not stop him.
I-I'll just use recall rod next time.

>>151523913
Yeah, that's honestly the best option for most yeeks. Think the only time I did well against him straight off the bat was with a freeze-focused archmage that was entirely purpose-built to get mindslayers.

>>151523118
Crawl doesn't count.

>>151524483
Nigga you don't count.

>>151525005
I know, counting was removed.

>>151509575
>>151507478
pls stay
DCSS, the primary entry-level shitty roguelike played here, has only partial permadeath, because one aspect of the game gets multiple lives (felid), and certain gods revive you on death at high piety. It's also non-modal because shops take you to a menu.

Other roguelikes that are welcomed don't always fit perfectly into the Berlin Interpretation. The Berlin Interpretation is just some retard bullshit of arbitrary standards made up by a bunch of literal whos, it's literally not even worth mentioning..

>>151525162
Yeah, it was bloat desu.

Is Caves of Qud any good?

>>151525608
It's too late, he's gone. Too bad, but he was way too sensitive anyways. That guy wasn't even calling him a shill, dude was genuinely trying to learn about the game.

>>151525608
Nah, it's worth mentioning, just not as an ironclad anything. Hell, even Moria's non-modal.

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So im playing naga transmuter for the first time ever i believe and i went chei, obviously. Can someone tell me into what do i pump my stats on level up in? Im really lost

>>151515205
Elona isn't a roguelike due to lack of permadeath in normal mode or there are more reasons?

>>151525901
>he fell for the chei meme
top kek.

>>151525614
It's incomplete but it's fun to dick around in.

>>151522681
We aren't PCB general at the moment. Crawl is still dominant man

>>151526319
It's more sandbox than roguelike. It's focus, you could say.

>>151526457
.. I just need help in what to put stats in and all

>>151526319

Optional permadeath is one reason but even if the game hypothetically removed the optional permadeath mode/s, it's still not a roguelike.

Play a new game, you'll see why real quick in the first few hours.

>>151526516
PCB general was how long ago, did this guy come from under a rock

>>151526894
Dump all your points into movement speed [/spoil] desu idk anon

>>151527003
>first few hours
More like the first 10 minutes

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How do I use a delayed fireball after casting it?

>>151526894

You're already getting +39-+45 total stats and you're still asking what to add? Dumb

>>151525901
People are going to say dex but chei already gives you massive dex and there's diminishing returns allegedly. Pump strength so you can punch harder and wear CPA

>>151527383
I was a bit confused too when I used that spell for the first time, check your abilities page.
You know, where you spit poison and the such.

>>151527383
It becomes one of your (a)bilities, and it's instantaneous to cast. It's great.

>>151527383

press a

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I'm at D:15, lair and orc are done, branches are snake and shoals
I'm thinking snake next

>>151516123
Lmao, it sure beats fucking off to some retire in the mountains leaving literally your entire life behind. It's not about not needing help, it's about understanding the help won't do it all and it starts with you. Enough excuses and just fucking do it.

>>151527003
So Elona isn't a roguelike because:
-no forced permadeath
-graphics based on pictures, not letters
-sandbox

Am I right?

>>151528368
No.

>>151528368
It is a Roguelike, ignore the memers

>>151528368

Elona is not only a roguelike, but it's also got its own general on /jp/

>>151528940
>but it's also got its own general on /jp/
Yup, slow like /out/, but still there.

>>151528940

>it's also got its own general on /jp/

Because it's not a roguelike, it doesn't have a place here. It's you memers fault.

Are LBlades good now?

Infra Arcana 19.0 soon.
I-I'm scared, anon. Hold me. BIG changes ahead.
http://pastebin.com/2UdBZfGD

>>151531002
These changes looks interesting, maybe it's finally time to give it a shot.

>>151529375

I've always defined a roguelike as a game that's "Like Rogue". The fact that it doesn't have permadeath or letter graphics doesn't mean it's not like Rogue. It's got the same gameplay of unidentified items on pickup, grid based dungeon exploration. It's a lot more roguelike than some games I've seen described as such.

>>151530805
They're almost better than axes, the risposte is incredibly broken with enough dodging
Fun fact! A risposte doesn't take any auts regardless of weapon type used. That means you should be going around with the biggest chunk of iron you can get your hands on if you have decent EV

>>151531002
Will this stirr the dick from its eternal slumber.

>>151531508

Resource management, hacknslash, exploration and discovery simply doesn't exist in Elona. Its permadeath has problems also making it not-so-permadeath

>>151531540
Ripostes also trigger auxiliary attacks, which includes constrict. Nice buff to Tengu and Octopodes.

>>151532948
>hacknslash
?

>>151531002
literally entirely different game now

>>151517449
>99%
1% is anothrils, but anothrils are awfully boring

Also, anyone here tried OotS?

>>151536241
OoTS?

>>151536838
Odyssey of the Summoner, huge tome4 addon.

>>151536935
Oh, no. I keep hearing about it though. Maybe I'll check it out.

>>151537248
they're fun and easy to install.
>tfw there is only addon 1 race more broken than shalore and everyone takes it as a joke now

>>151519342
It's only a roguelike if you delete your save at the end, but even then it's a really bad roguelike. It is very lite on everything that makes a roguelike good and is the very definition of unbalanced, with many party configs being hard-locked at several points in the story, and it's very easy to enter an unwinnable state if you haven't read spoilers - even if you don't delete saves on death.

>>151522681
Least played. Nobody plays it because it's shit (except the pastebin writer). Everyone plays DCSS though.

>>151537832
>tfw hunger was the biggest problem ever for me in that game

>>151535070
It's that one garbage set of criteria that some retards like to pretend are valid but would actually eliminate literally all roguelikes and even rogue. Ignore it.

being felid is suffering

>>151542634
>can literally walk away from anything
git gud

>>151543369
>git gud

but how senpai?

>>151525901
Int. You get enough Str and Dex from Chei that they start becoming less valuable, but a point of Int is a point of Int.

Also good luck, Naga is surprisingly not the best race to worship Chei with.

>>151544987
So what is the best race?

nethack > TOME4 > CDDA > * > shit > DCSS
Prove me wrong. Protip: you can't.

>>151544987
I was pumping into int and was thinking of putting every 4th point into str
Also i died right as i gotten into lair, hydra demolished me even when i had 27 ev with spider form and had no piety for fucking slouche

>>151545262
Stats don't matter in DCSS. Especially a single point out of 50 in a single stat

>>151546179
Oh, really? What does then?

>>151546636
Nothing.

>>151546636
luck

>>151546636
memes

>>151532948
What on earth? Elona has all those features. You kill monsters like any other roguelike, hunger is a problem so you have to get food, maintain food supplies, and eat the right kinds of food, gold is a resource you're going to need to buy stuff, and there is exploration. Aside from a few static dungeons the vast majority of dungeons have random floors that need to be explored. In a more general sense you need to explore the world and visit towns. The default difficulty doesn't have permadeath but you can always change it at character creation to Inferno mode which does have permadeath.

I don't even play Elona anymore but what the hell /rlg/. Get your shit together. You're supposed to actually know stuff about the games you're talking about.

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>not having a car that goes negative fast
I suspect it's from having a destroyed engine, so I won't be able to find out what happens when you drive it.

>>151548759
overworld = not a roguelike

>>151549141
>12881 lbs
Damn, that's a heavy truck.

>>151549286
Careful anon, you're on your way to disqualifying a bunch of roguelikes if that's one of your criteria.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Overworld

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Hey RLG

Coming at you with some MS Paint art

>>151549987
Noice.

>>151549987
That's not canon

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>>151549987

I mostly do Cata arts

>>151549286
I'm now inspired to make the first truly nonmodal roguelike.

>game immediately starts in adventurer's guild
>first room - kill alphabet monsters to create name
>next room - presented with potions of masculinity and femininity
>next room - talk to NPC of race you wish to be, they transform you
>next room - get to pick up starter weapon to choose class

The nonmodality will blow you away.

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>>151550073

I fucking shoot Sigmund with a crossbow every HuHu start I play

More Cata Arts

>>151545262
Only get Int on Tm^Chei if you plan on casting high level conjuration spells. (Forms do not count).
Otherwise Strength is better.
Strength doesn't scale off like that anon said.
Unless he meant "each additional point of strength is a smaller increase relative to your total strength than the previous one" which is silly.
Strength is linear.

>>151534476
Ripostes also don't chop off hydra heads.

>>151550209
The perspective on those wheels really bother me.

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>>151550667

3D perspective is a weak spot for me, no lie.

One last Cata Art, the 1st I made

>>151550435
You should do that and make it real time.

>>151550435
>next room - talk to NPC of race you wish to be, they transform you
>not eat them or skin them and wear the skin

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=a75ee9761a89626fe171cf83823357b1ab0daba3

>>151552726
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/generipiety

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>A sentinel's mark forms upon you.

>A deep troll earth mage comes into view.
>A fire dragon comes into view.
>A vault warden comes into view.
>An ironband convoker comes into view.
>A big black rapist comes into view.
>A lich comes into view.
>A crystal guardian comes into view.
>A deep elf demonologist comes into view.
>Forty-six boggarts come into view.

Remove the sustain attributes effect

The ring in particular would only rarely be used to help compensate for a few sources of particularly large amounts of stat drain (generally mummy death curses and CBoE/Wucad Mu usage). With the ring gone, the effect just remained on Demigods and the orange crystal plate unrand, and in both cases doesn't seem sufficiently interesting or integral to their designs to merit keeping such a niche effect around.

>>151552264
Metal

>>151553264
how long until every resist is gone except for from extremely rare standarts?

>>151554483
can't come soon enough imo

i feel like lategame crawl is a parade of dangerous things you haven't found resistance to on open levels

>>151551184
more art pls

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=fad57b473fa97eb5271963d916b38cf0cb2532f0

Is chei death now

>>151555890
nooooo

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>>151555734

This is the last one I've got for now.

I'll probably make another Crawl picture after The International is over though.

>>151555890
>literally the god of going slow
>gets impatient
Is this nigga serious

>>151555890
Chei should make slow stack multiple times, and also give you innate slow. If you grab runes or the orb in too small of a real time or turn count, he'll start slapping you with more and more slow

God damn it. Always remember to have like 2 or 3 different ways to get rid of debuffs in tome4 kids. Or atleast use your god damn teleports to get out. I thought I killed the dude, but the dude killed me. Got hit with stun and 2 hexes. Should have mashed that cblink spell like no other. RIP blaster necro rattlebones. We'll get to be the lich eventually.

>Trog
>Magic Trog
>That other magic Trog
>Rich Trog
>Clerical Trog
>Plant Trog
>Evoking Trog
>Abyssal Trog
>Limbless Trog
>Cloudy Trog
>Slimy Trog
>Silver Trog
>Cursed Trog
>Stealthy Trog
>Japanese Trog
>Poker Trog
>Orc Trog
>Honorable Trog
>Undead Trog
>Chaotic Trog
>Demon Trog
>Slow Trog

Crawl has the deepest gods.

>>151557834
Also have him add a cooldown to how many turns you can take in a given time frame.
>10+ sec delay between actions
Can you feel the slowness lads?

>>151555890
>Take it easy.
>But seriously though, hurry the fuck up nigga.

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>>151558002
Literally how are half of them Trog? I'll admit most of the gods are kind of useless, but for different reasons than being "Trog" whatever the fuck that means.

Trog gives: Beserk/allies/regen if i recall correctly. The only other god that I can see you comparing him directly to is Mahkleb.

Why am I replying to bait?

>>151558002
Who the fuck is japanese trog

>>151555890

People still play new versions of Crawl?

13.2 is the latest I would go. Once they rolled out the puny toga orc tiles it was over. It hasn't stopped being over since then.

>>151555890
Isn't him not having piety decay a thematic thing? If they change that they'd be going against everything Chei stands for

>>151558481
Okawaru

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>>151558354
>Why am I replying to bait?

Because it's tasty.

>>151558491
Anon....
Some people here berate others for not playing trunk.

>>151558523
>thematic
>thinking this matters in current crawl
ayy my friend

>>151558726
*for not playing mumo
btw play mumo.

>>151558523
I dont think anyone in the current dev theme knows about Cheis theme considering tavern wants to have him removed for being all around terrible

>>151558481

Okinawa

>>151553251
>Not quaffing cancellation and skedaddling outta that floor

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>>151559050
>claim a god is terrible
>instead of buffing their abilities/passives just remove it

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>>151559410
It's the development cycle we all know and love.

>>151559410
Sometimes content is just crap. There's no way the filthiness system in CDDA isn't going to shake out to being shit, for example.

new to dcss, i used apportion on the orb and all sorts of demons just started spawning...I didn't pick it up yet. Is this supposed to happen?

>>151560039
Using Apportation on the orb counts as picking it up. This is to prevent players from apporting it to the stairs and skipping a floor of the run.

>>151559615
The difference is the CDDA clothing thing is a penalty forced on everyone, no one's forcing you to sit down and run Chei in every DCSS game. Even if every god needs to be equal in power (which isn't absurd when you look at the balance of different races), you could solve the issues with Chei by either nerfing the movement penalty or buffing his abilities to make it worth inflicting yourself with the movement penalty.
>>151560039
I think the orb run starts as soon as you move it, to stop you from apporting it all the way to the stairs or something. I remember it was on a zot trap for me once so I apported it and got the message about pan lords etc and assumed it got picked up automatically, then when I got to the stairs I realized it was still down there

>>151559527
That little knight went on to become the forgotten crawler.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=98d623eea26fa784633671ed25e704d6a16cd9aa

I'm a little salty about this one. I wonder just how much they toned down mummy curses, because I've definitely had to scum pan to restore myself before.

>>151560039
No, you're supposed to be able to apport the orb all the way to the stairs up without the Lords of Pandemoniuim noticing.

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So should I take quarterstaves as a sidearm now or do I keep training polearms? In any case I'm not going to get a lot in either and Oka will probably gift both

>>151560758
it's too late and that weapon sucks

>>151546636
GDR

>>151561156
It's a +5 vorpal quarterstaff with rPois and rN. I think that's very good considering quarterstaves need very little training. It's DEFINITELY a step up from a +0 trident. Issue is that I don't know if I should just get polearms to 14 and hope I get something good rather than dump precious centaur XP in a weapon that could become useless if Oka decides to throw a decent polearm my way. If you didn't notice my skill title is from Bows, it's just a sidearm

>>151559615
The real difference is that DCSS removes perfectly good features for arbitrary or nonexistent reasons, while DDA keeps useless features for no reason instead of just removing them

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DID I JUST DIE TO THE GHOST OF MY PREVIOUS PLAYER

HOLY SHIT

I KNOW I'M BAD BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS SUCH A GOOD MECHANIC

WHY HAVEN'T I STARTED PLAYING THIS SOONER

>>151562323
I guess it's time to play crawl too.

>>151562323
Next time just walk away.

>>151561981
My main beef with crawl right now is removing branch floors so they can condense all the monster who would have been there into FUCKHUEG vaults at the end

The silliest example of this is Orc. Orc:1 seemingly only exists to stairdance or to spawn secondary LESS FUCKHUEG vaults that you can only acess from Orc:2. I wouldn't be surprised if they "condensed" Vaults:1, 2, 3 and 4 into two levels and made Vaults:3 the Vaults:5 equivalent

>>151562323
Nice job champ, now there are two ghosts

>>151562323
Welcome to roguelikes, you'll get sick of DCSS's ghosts popping up everywhere by your sixth game

>>151562603
The reason they could condense Orc into 2 levels is because orc had basically no exp. It wasn't hard to make it reasonably more dangerous while cutting down on the tab fodder. They have a harder time doing that without removing more experience or pushing the danger level over the top with actual branches. I think nearly everyone will agree that most branches are dangerous but reasonable.

>>151562818
>hating free echspee

>>151562431
Fuck that, I'm hauling ass to to nearest escape hatch and praying to MiBe

>>151562773
EVEN BETTER

>>151562818
No! I'm almost enjoying my anger!

>>151562603
>implying hell branches and slime shouldnt be 1 floor each

>>151562938
They have cut levels from all Lair branches in the recent past and now from Lair itself in trunk. It's not just Orc. The thing is that the levels become very fucking tedious to clear. Grabbing a rune becomes a repetitive game of peek-a-boo between the eighteen bazillion monsters in the vault and your killhole/stair

>>151562938
Nigga two yaks are worth more than early ghosts and are much less of an annoyance

>>151562323
if you play online you can meet other players' ghosts too

>>151563668
>rlgrobin ghost with fireball on d:3
fuck you whoever did that one

>>151563816
>rlgrobin
Since when does that exist?

>>151563443
Also, this is after the arch-condensation/reworking of almost half the dungeon way back

>>151564080
Password is "ownfault"

I'm on it right now.