/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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First for fuck mindflayers

>>151080928
Mind flayer? I hardly knew her!

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>>151080928
4th for I agree with this statement

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>playing dcssca
>find the same run twice

it only shows me as having 1 rune on the } screen though so I think this is a weird bug

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>>151081169

Nth for Odyssey of the Summoner AKA ToME but not shit, what are you, bad?

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>>151080963
Good times

>>151082470
I wonder if that anon is still with us.

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>>151080928
second for fuck mindflayers
except when you're a mindflayer
then fuck cockatrices

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How do I get an arcane marksman going? I can't seem to hit/do damage with my ranged weapon, and my hexes all get resisted. Should I just pick up a sword and depend on Okawaru?

I'm running a spriggan warper because i'm trying races and backgrounds I never really use. Is teleport other worth learning?

>>151083845
>HEAM
On my TrAM win I book-amnesia'd Corona on turn one and then just played a real character.
Book amnesia while you still can, anon.

>>151084646
Also what god choice would you recommend? I'm thinking Oka so I can have lots of ammo for my sling, but I was also thinking maybe Ash or even Sif or Dith

How long until slings are removed?

>>151083845
Also you should train bows and depend on Oka.
Bows are insanely strong and HE have the apts to get hueg bows early.

>>151084646
Usually you want to learn all your spells. Except cure poison. :^) Teleport other should be pretty solid in the early game for getting rid of dangerous baddies, but your foot evocations should be good enough.

>>151085221
>train bows to 8
>orc warrior takes approximately 0 damage before getting into melee range
>no point casting slow because it'll just be resisted

>>151085764
>train bows to 12 because you didn't waste XP on hexes
>orc warrior takes 1/2 hp before getting into melee range
>finish it off with more arrows in melee
>can't cast slow even if you wanted to because you used your book to forgot corona on turn 0

>>151085954
You'd want to keep the book- oh, holy shit. I thought AM had PProjectile or something. What the fuck?

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>>151086302

>>151085954
>book amnesia
R E M O V E D
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>>151086405
I ask myself the same thing every day.

>>151086949
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/nobookamnesia
Hasn't been merged yet.
Forget your spells thematically anon! Do it while you still can!

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>>151086949
Stop being so toxic, Unanimous. You're going to scare away all the gullible goys newfriends who just want to have some quick casual fun playing Somethingawful's Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

>>151087890
>thematically
What is this "theming" you speak of? It sounds like bloat.

I play DCSS regularly, and trying to play CDDA on default settings makes me feel like a retard. How am I supposed to deal with the 90+ enemies in every loot bearing area?

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>not equipping 4 items that boost intelligence and 4 that boost wizardry
It's like you faggots don't want to be real wizards.

>>151089302
You drag them away from the horde at night and kill them 2 or 3 at a time using obstacles until you can get to the loot.

>>151089302
CALTROPS

>>151089393
Why can I only wear 1 ring per limb anyways? Apparently you only need one finger because of the Macabre Finger Necklace but I can only have 1 per limb?

>>151089302
Approach houses from behind, through a field. Avoid the roads.
Go looting at night when zombies can't detect you from a block away.
Lure zombies into windowsills and over bushes. Movement over difficult terrain takes much longer, so you can get a bunch of free hits in.
Set shit on fire. You can light a bush on fire, lure a zombie on top of it, and fight it while it burns to death. Alternatively, you can burn houses down on top of major threats and groups of enemies.
(G)rab a shopping cart. Not only can it carry much more than you, but it counts as difficult terrain. Bring it with you everywhere, and position it so attackers will climb over it to reach you.
Losing is fun.

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>>151089598
I literally can't even craft anything because I never manage to loot something before I get electrocuted, boomer bombed, grabbed, webbed, poisoned, infected, starved, swiss cheesed or whatever.

What the fuck should I even be looking to do first?

>>151089302
Acquire the best weapon you can.
That is, a polearm.

DDA does polearms right.

Even better if you can acquire some niggers, give them polearms and form a wall of spears.

>>151090209
Smash some of the lockers, windows, and benches in the shelter, and grab a rock. You've now got metal, cloth, glass, wood, and a hammer.

>>151090372
Spear is a stupid weapon for stupid oafs.

>>151091762
Spear has killed more humans than any other melee weapon.

It is also the second best melee weapon, right after the halberd.

>>151092037
>Spear has killed more humans than any other melee weapon.

wrong, artillery killed more

>>151092195
A GEP gun is a bad choice for close range combat.

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>>151092474
>not clobbering your enemies with a 120mm howtizer

>>151092474
The GEP gun takedown is the most silent way to eliminate Manderley

I wish incursion was still maintained

>>151092037
More players have died to hobgoblins than to SIgmund, but Sigmund is a stronger foe than a hobgoblin.

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in circus animals, curses have multiple levels and mummy death curses can increase the curse level of already-cursed items

before I did tomb this cloak had rC+ rN+ int+3, but after about 1000 points of cursing it lost its bonuses

for reference a scroll of remove curse removes 100 points of cursing

>>151093037
Yeah, halberd is the best melee weapon, even better than the spear.

>>151093041
circus animals seems to be a cursed fork

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wtf i hate poschengband now

>>151093791
Just wait until there are enemies with the same glyph as the floor tiles who confuse you with ranged attacks.

>yet another MiGl of Gozag win
Maybe I should start playing something else.

>>151093958
>killed by clear worm mass on dungeon level 3
just fuck my shit up

>>151094339
The pasta advises scrolls of teleportation, my meme-loving friend.
Perhaps check it out when you're done browsing /s4s/ and twitter.

>>151094220
Try something a little less diesel. Or atleast something that is diesel in a way that isn't "I'M A ONE COW TURBOTAB APOCALYPSE."

>>151094476
i have read the pasta but i wasted all my shekels on useless shit like armor by accident and i never tought that level 3 stronghold would be that dangerous :^(

Does anybody know how to work the scaling of weapon in bit dungeon 2?
Great game, useless wiki and low update from kintogames.

>>151094820
Well now you know, my dear.

>>151094574
MiAs of dithmenos?

Damn, son. Cleared almost every branch except for slime, the hells, pan, abyss and Zot and still no Shatter on any book. I need it to clear V:5. Itonically, it might be there.

Anyway, I've found my first adq scroll in Depths:5, and I was wondering: if I have Earth Magic to 27, and I ask for a book, does the book has a decent chance to contain Shatter? Even Iron Shot would make me happy, really.

>>151096750
well if (books containing shatter) / (all books) x 100% = decent chance then yes there is a decent chance

>loot electronics store
>leave with 3800 batteries and three vibrators
A good haul.

>>151090372
>Even better if you can acquire some niggers, give them polearms and form a wall of spears

I'm pretty sure that would be a bad idea. They would end up chucking them.

>>151097198
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit. I thought book adquirement would be inclined to gift me something from the spell school I'm better with.
What a shame.

>>151088184
If you destroy the book you learned something from, the knowledge of that thing disappears from your mind, just like real life.

>>151098057
Really? I've never tried that. I've just always have had knowledge of waterspout in my head but living mostly in florida you can see why i'd want to forget that for lightning storm.

>>151093016
But apparently not enough to maintain it yourself. Funny how that works.

>>151098057
The book serves as a focus through which you channel your magical essence, and in destroying that focus, you are able to destroy some of its connections to you.

This is symbo-physitronics 101.

>>151090838
Ok, but how do I heal myself after kiting an entire colony of giant ants with my pointed stick?

>>151099619
Use bandages/first aid or sleep. If you're not tired, read or craft until you are.

>>151099619
Shoulda taken Fast Healer, lad.

>>151080321
D-dad?

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>(mon hp-717)

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>>151097927

>>151100843
>37

>>151100843
>hp: 93%
Don't feel like you have to dive into dangerous situations now, speedrunner.

>>151101143
it's not my fault he died before he could cast a spell

i think the majority of the damage I took in geh was from chain lightning tbqh

(circusanimal halflings are ridiculous)

>>151098474
Your logic is retarded my nigga. Many people don't have the drive, ambition, or expertise to be able to properly develop a videogame. Not to mention that bug fixing and optimizing someone else's shit code is like shoving a knife up your own urethra. Maybe he just wants someone more capable to maintain it, knowing he wouldn't be able to do it himself.

>>151100972
So acquiring a book will get me a manual if i'm MiBe?

>>151102549
Yeah. If I'm following the logic of acquire.cc correctly, you will get a manual 100% of the time if you a. have 0 magic skills, or b. worship trog.

>>151103103
Another fun fact: if an acquirement somehow fails to finish properly, you get the rare message "The demon of the infinite void smiles upon you."

>>151083845
Get a little melee, fighting and evasion to use with branded weapons to conserve arrows. Don't care too much about attack delay just actually hit shit. Get bows 27 and more evasion. Use shit like corona, swiftness, blink, leda's liquefaction, portal projectile, summon mana vipers, gell's gravitas, cause fear, tukima's dance, confusion, mass confusion, metabolic englaciation, invisibility, silence and discord to fuck up monsters with weaker MR or slow stronger ones so you can shoot them up. Even into extended a lot of shit has ~50% success rate which isn't shit if you take dith for double casts. Be warned that your longbow is essentially a ranged double sword damage wise so be aware of High AC targets if you didn't get an assload of slaying

Losing enslavement sucked.

>>151085194
Never cause they're better than non-large rock throwing for shield users?

>>151086405
Thinking Warper's book of spatial tloc?

>>151090372
>Do an infected start for muh points
>In town
>Get a 2x4
>Beat up some locals
>Smoker comes by
>instant lol-25 speed or you're giving it free hits while you try to break the grab
>Every hit you're spilling stats and pain speed loss like spaghetti from a nerd's pockets
>More shit comes
>Every one is another -25 speed
>Die
Game's stupid now senpai. Having to use a bunch of borderline exploit shit cause zombies are now whirlpools is stupid.

>>151099367
so you're saying if I charge a sigil I can find the book I need?

>>151100090
>Taking fast healer
>When you make tens of thousands of bandages in the midgame
>Or just go work some charcoal, preserve food, repair and reinforce clothing, clean water, scavenge metal plastic, batteries alternators solar panels storage batteries, strings ropes and wood, tinker on the hobomobile, dig pits, build walls, and read
No thanks.

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>>151052583

>40% HP
>but it's damn useless against burst damage.

You don't know what you're talking about. Get good.

>buy dungeon of the endless
>it's garbage
roguelites were a mistake, lads

>>151105924
better than roguelikes I suppose

>>151105924
All the Endless games are terrible. They obviously use the same engine for all of them, lazy as fuck.

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send help. what to buy + other things im doing bad

http://pastebin.com/Ur1Ljwte

(no internet except 1 building w/ wifi so forgive my not being online for crawl)

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now i see why auto explore can be dangerous.

>>151086302
>filename
>item name
That is the rod of reload from last save, anon. Use it well.

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>>151106658
>american flag wallpaper

>>151093041
Going down levels (especially deeper down) removes more "curse points" than scrolls of remove curse tend to. I think gaining EXP does it too. You could also just play Mummy, and be immune to curses.

>>151104429
>you are prevented from receiving too much damage

Anyone else autistic like me? Like for example, when I play a halfling, I don't start eating flesh immediately, because I feel like that'd be a move of desperation. I wait until I feel my characters been hardened. And a bunch of little autistic shit like that.

>>151105492
>rElec
>rC++(+)
>avoid the tornado of a speed 10 dude
>use natural anti-magic to make him do all of no damage
I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't find that particularly impressive.

>>151096750

Why'd you complain about that if you haven't worshiped Vehumet? You'll 100% always be getting either Shatter or LCS and you can actually get both of those if you manage to found either by memorizing one.

>>151106790
You can also crash the game by casting animate dead or pressing shift-direction while aiming a bolt spell.

>>151107883
No sorry.

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>get wand of wishing
>wish for greased bag of holding
>wish for a scroll of genocide
>genocide all the mind flayers
>faggot gnome does this shortly after

Around Gnomes, return home.

>>151107883
You are the reason hard damage statistics must be added via rcfile. Why the game doesn't tell you how much damage you'd do with one weapon as opposed to the other. Why I can read porn about xomsluts on the wiki.

You're alright, but I don't do it myself.

>>151108627
Do you even think of a backstory for your character? A reason they're looking for the orb of zot?

>>151108881
Really? I always thought the game not telling you how much damage you're doing was kind of retarded.

>>151107883
I roleplay that halflings are shotas, and that each battle is actually a sexual encounter in which my character must satisfy other boys without being traumatized.

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>in dcssca, formicids are as fast as centaurs (7.5 auts a move, alternating between 7 and 8 because auts don't work off of hundredths) when they're booking it
Give this developer a medal, he buffed bestrace.

>>151107883
>trying to RP in a game that is actively removing every trace of flavor or fluff
I mean, do what you gotta do buddy, but maybe you'd be better off playing a game where the dev team isn't going out of their way to drive you out.

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>>151107914

>ignored the fact that I was surrounded by mobs

Should've capped that I only had rC+ too. Oh well, it's not like I didn't do that to every single hell lord too.

>>151107883
I overprepare and minmax my character in DCSS, even though it's usually completely unnecessary

>latest Demon has innate relic upgrades
I wasn't expecting that.

>>151109090
I'd read somewhere that RPers found the numbers immersion breaking, which is why they don't exist.

Can't cite a source though.

>>151109090
It tells you base damage and accuracy of your weapon but nothing else. It's completely retarded. The entire game is inconsistently designed

>>151109385
All character has to be sacrificed in the name of efficiency, which is vital when you have to go through thousands of enemies who all rush forward Terminator-style.

>>151108796
This is why it's recommended to secure MR/Reflection/Speed before any of that convenience stuff.

>>151108796
Next time genocide h

Where is the handy acquire flow chart?

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>>151110986
If there's something you need from a shop and you can't afford it get gold. Otherwise acq to fill holes in your ascension kit. You get a bunch and half the time they're crap so don 't take it seriously.

Alternatively, read the acquirement stuff on learndb

>>151111212
Retard. He didn't ask what he should acquire, he asked for the picture that considers all of those factors and tells him what he should get.

>>151111426
Which is fill holes in your ascension kit.

>>151111426

>considers all of those factors and tells him what he should get

It didn't click to us that his brain wasn't equipped with common sense

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>>151110986
>>151111426
Here you go lads.

>>151111212
>>151111426
>>151111937
>>151112000
>>151112279

jesus. relax rlg. I haven't played since a while and i did remember there was a flow chart. Just acquired wand because i didn't had heal nor haste.
got lightning, heal wounds, and haste.
pretty good considering it was a scroll of acquirement.

>>151112625
People are probably on edge because we have been getting a slew of "what do I acquire" questions with no character info at all in the last few days.
And any flowchart would be kind of bad at best.

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>when you tryna get tha cheeky succ of dicc and you come out with a snack sampler of genital disease

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>>151110986

>>151113039
Would be fine without blurry vision.

>>151113039
That's really good though. Especially once evolve starts cleaning you up.

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>>151112902
Well i'd understand if i had asked "hey guys what do i acquire. gold? or misc? xDD " but i didn't ask that.
I remember the flow chart was pretty good.

>>151114021
Found it. http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1470710131959.jpg

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>>151113206
>>151113506
WE IN THERE BOYS

>>151113206
It's amazing how much can happen in half a turn.

>tfw you have to wait another month for another SotW update

>>151114934
What's SotW?

>>151115039
Shadow of the Wyrm. It's something like ADoM but with less nofunallowed. Also, less complete. Each new update tends to introduce a bunch of new content, and I'm hoping this one be exceptionally bountiful since the dev is spending two months on it instead of one. I've been looking forward to it since about a week after the last update, when I played out all the new content there.

>>151109380

I don't understand, why would they have to do that? The only fast ants irl are black ants which are coincidentally, the same as human niggers that excel on running while the other ants move at a considerable, quite normal pace.

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i trusted you

>>151115823
Monstrous Portal, standart, stair and door mimics were the best.

>Doing ok not even 200 turns have passed since I left the evacuation shelter
>NPC with a katana begs me for an American flag
>"yes"
>Walk not even two inches off of a road
>ANTLERED HORROR
>Two shot

Amazing

>>151116610
You got a massive view range. You should use it. You wouldn't have been 2 shot if you were following standard evac shelter procedure and armed and armored yourself up first.

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tomebabs?

>>151116753
>minmaxing this hard
this is why you think DDA is shit

>>151116753
I made a bee-line to the nearest place that I could loot from, but the zombie moose intercepted me. I don't know how close it was when I first even spotted it, but given my experiences with the living moose, it will become aggressive on me at the edge of my vision. I only saw it for one turn before it hit me too.

I bet it was behind a tree near the road, and then we ended up close to each other.

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>see a "shipwreck", a tile I've never seen before
>it's surrounded by deep water
Had to convert an electric car into a boat just to get over here, I hope it's worth it.

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I fucking give up. This must be my 50th try today at just getting my first piece of gear, and I see another monster I have literally zero hope against at right outside of my shelter. I'm surrounded on all sides by forests of death as well.

What can I even do?

>>151117662
Start as a cyclist, unfold your bike, and ride towards your dreams.

>>151116753
DDA should require you obtain actual resources to craft things, rather than let you smash up furniture in the evac shelter and macguyver the resulting garbage into gear.

>>151117662
Grab some rocks and start making your gear.

>>151117847
I think the macguyvering is fine as long as you can't tech all the way up to overpowered Survivor gear.

>>151117847
>Attempt to enter forest to retrieve resources for items
>Horde of jack ants, fungus monsters, and wild life gnaw off your face
>You need items to kill them to get the resources to get the items
>tfw

>>151117225
>anything in that piece of shit game being worth it
It won't be.

>>151117662
Just convince the NPC in the shelter to charge toward certain death while you GTFO.

>>151118117
You don't even need rocks (or to leave the shelter, really) unless you are unlucky enough to not get a steel chunk from bashing the lockers.

>>151117225
>given an excuse to convert an electric car into a boat
The shipwreck could be literally nothing and it would all be worth it.

>>151118158
I have several problems with macguyvering:
- New players don't know they can and need to do it.
- For experienced players, it's just a chore.
- It's not really obvious to a newish player what you can and should craft, because there are a whole lot of trash recipes and many of them are hidden until you grind up the required skills. Although the bigger problem here is skill grinding, obviously.

Everyone would be better off if you couldn't craft anything by trashing the shelter, but you start with a guaranteed wrench or pipe lying around.

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>>151106734
How can i go on without using autoexplore? I only have tab,a,b and o keys in my keyboard..

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>>151117225
It had a lot of crabs on the surface and some stairs. Then more crabs.

Fortunately I'm blocking their attacks with arm guards made out of the other crabs.

>>151118476
Yeah, I've never used the boat stuff before. It's kind of neat except that you can't make amphibious vehicles so you have to swap out wheels and boat wheels to travel everywhere. Well, and having to run back to town after discovering you need a lot of nails to attach boat parts.

>>151119102
Place an exclusion or two (capital X, then like e or something)

>>151119102
Summon a brother and tab.

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Which one of these weapons should i be using on a DDNe? Still week 1 in dcss and I am having trouble picking between damage and resists.

>>151119510
But i don't have X key and what is an exclusion?
But seriously i don't even know how i didn't woke them up, i have zero skill in stealth.
>>151119712
Nah. I have zero MR. If any of those basilisk petrifies me I'll be dead. Can they petrify me if i berserk though?

>>151119849
short swords are shit, but holy is also pretty useless until extended game. what weapon skill are you even training? the eveningstar is probably better but a decent branded mace/flail could be more desirable. i've never autism fightsimmed stuff though so just see which one kills dudes the best

>>151118174
Why would there be more resources in a forest than in a building?

>>151120008
just shut the door, can those monsters even open it?

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>>151119431
The loot. Honestly, the surface was harder since it doesn't have choke points. Also I tried to knife one crab and it went about as well as you'd expect.

>>151118982
>you couldn't craft anything by trashing the shelter
That wouldn't make any sense. At best you could make it so lockers can't be smashed to precious bits without some kind of tool. Everything else is would be the equivalent of invisible walls.

Besides, you don't really NEED to macguyver up a whole bunch of shit. You can just play more carefully, or recruit the NPC that is right next to you and loot the zombies they murder before dying.

You can make it even simpler by recommending newbies start as one of the many, many low cost backgrounds that start with a decent weapon -- scoundrel, survivalist, biker, etc.

>>151120296
I don't see any door but i think i'll evoke legs or blink. Does scroll of blink make noise?

>>151120421
for some reason i thought that was behind a door, my bad. yeah just blink, i don't think it'll make any noise at the source

>>151120321
>eating waterspider eggs
Not even in the apocalypse.

>Day 1
>Throwing shit on to survive long enough to cure my infection
>Do
>Go to craft a sling
>Haha nope morale too low
>-56 (filthy clothing)
>You get a morale penalty from zombie gear
>Look over the craft menu and can't find a clean clothes recipe
DDA gets stupider every fucking time I come back to it.

>>151121445
you need soap and an ambient water source and, critically, the willful stupidity necessary to keep playing DDA

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>>151107156
but wait, there's more
so tell me why else im bad, but keep it to crawl this time.
thinking i buy the gda.
>>151106658

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>>151121445
>wear fucking disgusting, torn up rags soaked through with gore and bile and mud
>don't understand why this is demoralizing

>>151121750
Oh okay. So glad I can fix it. I'll just walk into the bathroom and grab the soap everybo..... Oh.....

>>151121859
Inconsistent realism for no good reason is dogshit. It's as bad as mason jar scarcity..

g-guys im finally having fun as a MiGl of Ok but im so scared that ill fuck up and splat, currently Xl 17 diving snake with rp++ and a +6vamp battle ax, with about 23 ac and ev, what do, the other branches that popped up are swamp and slime pits

>>151121859
It's also a crippling morale penalty. You can't do shit with it. Even being shot with a shotgun isn't half as bad

>>151121998
also, most of my relevant skills are at 15, currently bumping axes and dodging up more

>>151121998
>rp++
there's only one rank, but you sound fine. sneks hit hard but they don't really pull any tricks. just tab through them and watch out for shock serpents and sharpshooters.

>>151120359
It doesn't need to make any fucking sense. It's a videogame. If you want to smash up a glorified bus stop and make coats and spears out of the wreckage, do it in real life like everyone else.

>>151121445
>wearing zombie clothes when you can make your own that aren't tattered and the wrong size
I ignore the filthy stuff, just like I did for most items before it was added. It's even the same color as rotten food to help you overlook it.

>>151121998
Swamp is easy, go there next.

>>151121998
>>151122106
update, finally killed kirke after getting pigged twice and grabbed the rune, now getting the fuck out

>>151122272
Infected starts don't get that luxury until they've cleared a safe zone and managed to cure themselves before succumbing.

>>151121940
>no soap in homes
Legit complaint desu. It'd be a hot commodity in the apocalypse, but it still shouldn't be this rare.

>>151122060
Seems pretty reasonable. Getting shot is going to hurt like a motherfucker, but it doesn't have the constant psychological degradation of wearing something that smells like an old shed full of rotten meat in hundred degree weather. Realistically, your character should be vomiting their guts out.

>>151121445
>>151121940
This sums up one of the main reasons that game is trash. It tries to be overly realistic whenever it's something that makes the game more grindy and less fun, but when it comes to shit that is entirely plausible but makes it less obnoxious to play, it fails.

Like why the fuck would soap not be in almost every bathroom everywhere? Why are antibiotics so hard to find?

Skill rust was also one of those things that seemed cool in theory but actually just made the game less fun, although I always just turned it off.

I get making the game harder, but the problem is instead of genuine difficulty you get tedious shit that boils down to having to just run around looking for an item that shouldn't be hard to find.

And the game isn't even hard, despite all their efforts. The end game is still easy as ever, they just make the early game obnoxious and an unbearable grind of tedium.

>>151123249
>Like why the fuck would soap not be in almost every bathroom everywhere?
Because soap is super useful, and it's obvious that most places have been picked clean already.

Same goes for antibiotics.

>>151123473
This excuse doesn't stand. Everyone is dead, and they didn't have enough time to use up all the soap, yet they're not carrying it around on their zombie bodies, nor are there secret caches of soap anywhere.

>>151123473
Yeah, that's retarded. Since billions died from the cataclysm, there'd be tons of resources left for the survivors.

>>151123473
that hasn't made since ever since they massively ramped up the spawn rates so you didn't have to tour 11 towns to find just a single of the shovel/welder/hoe game breakers.

I can kind of see antibiotics but not fucking soap. And even then, it should be somewhere then but it's not.

>all this autism over fucking soap
lmao just don't play experimental or better yet just don't play this shit game like how is this complaint even real hahahahaha

>>151124320
>the cataclysm
For someone who doesn't know, what was the actual cataclysm such that it would kill enough people instantly so that they couldn't use up resources.

>>151119849
the evenstar is better damage AND resists though

>>151125686
Not sure. The storyline is a bit of a joke, to be honest. It started as a placeholder and was never meant to be taken serious, but then the game was so far developed that if they changed the lore, certain features and game mechanics wouldn't make sense anymore, so they just stuck with it.

Something with scientists experimenting and letting some extra dimensional hyper intelligent entity in called Blob. It infects people and when they die it reanimates them and controls them. It tries to take over worlds but it acts on a macro scale, not a micro scale, which is why the zombies are so dumb and fragile.

Then there was some kind of military malfunction or something where the turrets and stuff shot at both zombies and humans, which killed tons of people.

Also theres other stuff like the fungus monsters and all the other mutated shit. Can't remember how it all ties in, but I think mostly it doesnt.

>>151126572
Actually excuse me, looks like they've updated it since the last time I check (years ago). It was a sort of silly concept, but they've actually done a great job making it into something.

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These cards aren't even useful, but they're fun.

Even worse, when you cut them up the rags and shit aren't filthy so you can just turn those 5 leather pants into a clean pair. So it has zero impact outside of the first week crunch which is the worst part of the game. Christ these guys are fucking idiots.

>>151128660
>have trenchcoat that doesn't fit
>cut the arms off it, suddenly it fits perfectly
I mean, the game is cool and all, but it's such a hot mess.

>>151130215
Don't forget the favorite, getting a .. leather jacket off a zombie and turning it into a || leather vest (fits) with 0 skill on day 1

>>151130310
And yet you can fail making spezi, which is literally just mixing two different cans of soda.

>>151130567
>you fail and recover none of the components
h-how?

>Anomaly spawn like 2 tiles away from where my game starts
>Passive bad is sick
>0/1 charges
>It's a never recharges
T-Thanks

>>151130705
M-Muh craft system!

>>151107821
yeah for some reason circus animals has "oneshot protection"

on "standard" difficulty you can't take more than 30% of your maxhp in one turn which kind of fucks with the idea of torment being scary

>>151131617
that's a little extreme, but I might want oneshot protection in a fork where lightning does >500 damage

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>No longer have a flashlight because trying to craft a wearable flashlight by tying a rag around the handle then my head atom smashed it
>Find a wooden keg of whisky
>Hooray! I can make some torches!
>Can't make torches with hard alcohol anymore
These fucking niggers...

>>151131816
eh, that's only player-cast lighting because jeremygurr did something VERY fucky to spellpower caps

that was a 999-power chain lightning cast by a halfling with Wild Magic 3

by the way if any anons want to experience the hilarity of circus animals it's available on webtiles at https://crawl.project357.org/

>>151132675
Gay that it asks me to register

does strength affect throwing weapon damage on dcss?

>>151135435
it's the same as every other crawl server

are you... are you an offline player anon?
don't you know that offline doesn't count?
are you a savescummer?

>>151135683
yes, all melee/range/throwing damage is multiplied by 1+(str-10)/39

>>151135713
>don't you know that offline doesn't count?
I haven't played it long enough to compete with others in terms of score so I don't have any real incentive to play it online.
But whatever I'm not adverse to registering to playing circus animals.

>>151135779
>you have a penalty to damage unless you have 48 strength or more

That's bullshit.

>>151135872
maximal retard

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>>151135872
>tfw anon doesn't know his order of operations

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>>151135872
>didn't use order of operations

forty-eight (48) strength

>>151135959
That's what happens when you text all class instead of paying attention.

>>151136983
Or when you're fucking dumb that's like the first thing you learn in math past the actual operations.

I have absolutely zero patience to play anything other than MiFi because unless I get past vaults I simply can't pay attention to every single fucking action in this game

>>151138040
Ok.

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>>151135713

Found the online """"player""""

>Have no reloading penalty
>Self bow time
>Attacks take just under 400 aut
Whew lad.

>>151138495
Bows are utter shit now. Man, so are crossbows. Feels bad that melee has to be the undisputed champion.

>>151138689
Even melee isn't all that good because of their constant nerfs and bullshit. Your speed and stats plummeti f you so much as get sneezed on so it's just even more you have to caltrop/polearm/vehicle cheese 24/7 which is just tedious and stupid because otherwise your luck will eventually run out and that's it. XX(X)? hours wasted because of a shit combat system.

>>151138040
No shame in playing your own race.

is pakellas viable for hell?

>>151138040
noob

>>151138345
who is the @ in this pic

>>151138495
bows are complete garbage ever since they nerfed it with the ugly stick
literally never waste time on bows unless you're roleplaying or doing some kind of challenge

>>151139080
Yes, but there are better.

>>151139080
Everything is viable
Even mumo

>>151139129
Indeed. I want a smooth time until I get to hell though. Maybe I should change gods but changing evo for invo is going to suck dick

>>151139186
ok

>>151139110
Cheap marksmanship training or a repeater or two of explosive bolts in a cart but yeah.

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>>151132167
>can't make 10000 molotovs in per-bar anymore

>>151139293
Your EVO should be at max anyway. It isn't like you need much invo, assuming you're talking about TSO. Just swap to Ashen or something if you want a god that asks less of you.

>>151139186

>Even mumo
>torment immunity
>poison immunity
>rot immunity
>rC+ for rF-
>+0 fighting

No shit huh

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>>151139665
Yep.

>>151140045
>Longing for Dck
I miss the camaraderie that was present during the early mumo runs.

Damn
Cause fear is OP as shit.

>>151140197
Yea hexes are gud even on non-stabbers

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>>151135713

>>151140045
>*confuse
wow, I'd think that would kill a mumo sometime before 7 runes

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>>151140045
>>151140761
>mumo challenge
>cloak
>gloves
>shield
>etc

>>151140761
He got confused from it while fighting an orb of fire and almost died. He got lucky. Although the rF++ probably kept him alive in the first place

>>151140878
I thought the only restriction was body armor

>>151141017
He's baitposting.

>>151141069
No amulets etc. though is right.

>>151141069
the only posts in rlg are bait, complaining about removals, or blaming the game for stupid faults

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always bet on Ring Mail™

>>151142168
May the meme mail be with you.

>>151080425
Atleast he didnt miscast at 1% and died

>>151143275
>tfw you miscast 2% death's door in a zig and a ghost with firestorm kills you from out of line of sight

>>151143934
They can cast spells from out of los? Thats new to me

>>151143994
Nah he probably double-turned me or maybe targeted a summon or something, I don't really remember

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Why did I die yet again, and in such an easy brand as Spider's Nest even with rP+++ and being MiBe. But dem exploding orbs.

How do I git gud? Is there some in-depth tutorial that may help learn things I might have overlooked? Also in the end I barely use potions or wands.

>>151146815
I never use wands. On my mage I see no reason why I should. I feel like lack of firepower isn't a problem just a lack of saftey.

>>151146815

You need to gitgud and learn how OoDs work. Once you do you could even juggle between 4 flying orbs at once, never get hit and pretend to be an anime MC.

>>151140878
Ha ha loving this highly compressed graphics interchange format attachment LoL!!

>>151146815
No. If you're playing online somebody here can spectate you and give you advice on the go. Post your morgue.txt file and we can look it over too. All lair branches have turned into clusterfucks that even diesel characters have to be careful in. You probably just bit off more than you can chew. Make sure to use killholes as a melee dude, or stairdance.

>>151146815
>rP+++
there's a reason your character sheet only shows 1 level of rPois

(the reason is that you can only have 1 level of rPois)

>>151147262
Morgue file is at http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/amentoraz/morgue-amentoraz-20160809-105821.txt

But yep, I'm afraid I just was too overconfident because orb spiders were the only ones that could hurt me, and fucked it up.

>>151148229
True, and I just noticed now. I had two rP+ rings, now I feel more stupid.

>>151146815
You see, this is why i hate people playing brainless shit like MiBe or GrFi/Gl at first.. Its pointless, it only points you towards to use o and tab, sometimes a b or a d when needed, its fucking stupid and retarded..
What you need to do is play a medium difficult role to learn when to engage, when not to engage, how to manage your inventory and utilize stuff you have, from potions to scrolls
What you overlooked is that you think that rP+++ exists, it does, just on monsters, on you, when you open your character sheet, it just shows rP+ because you only have one level of it.
The problem also is that you died to orb of destruction somehow, that being one of the easiest stuff to dodge or block via walls or another monsters. You could even berserked and catch up to the spider and kill him before he weaves another orb
Also posting your morgue would help a lot to see what you trained, how and what was your inventory and other shit

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This spell is what those Swamp Dragons and that certain Green Death fatass in Pan use right? How effective is this compared to Olgreb?

>check out Elona thread on /jp/
>OP says created 7 days ago
And you chucklefucks complain that /rlg/ moves slow.
Also why the fuck does the captcha want me to type in Italian addresses all of a sudden.
I'm not Ital

>>151148480
Unfortunately there was more than one spider casting orbs, I didn't know how to evade them, and I berserked yet the orb-bombs were too heavy.

Morgue file -> >>151148381

>>151146815
It's cool, I died in spi:5 as a HaHu with a +9 distortion quickblack and 5 runes

>>151148707
roguelikes are a niche genre, and then you have an entire thread dedicated to a single game in that genre, on an unpopulated board

>>151148885
Jesus christ, that equipment and wands, and you still die.. The way orbs move is in a straight line and start to curve as you move, so 'strafe' dodging them is the best way to evade them, even if there are multiple of them. Whatever you do, never ever tank them, try to just dodge them or crash them into a wall.
Learn how to utilize your inventory aswell.. Keeping an eye on what you have in there in tight situations, or in general, is really useful

>>151148885
>>151149231
I wish I would have kept that orb spider comic. This is exactly who it was for.

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>vamp demon blade of mastery
>mastery
>+0

>>151151043
Use it anyway.

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How good are Sharnga and Leech? I found both of them in a shop.

It's fairly early so I could either keep training long blades for leech or switch to bows for Sharnga.

>>151122410
If you use a wand of polymorph on yourself, you can't get pigged and you typically get a neat form:mushroom, porcupine, wisp. I turned into a wisp a couple of times and it was great: high resistances in everything, flight, no HP-deficient, electric-branded UC attacks, centaur-tier speed, high innate AC, and high innate EV. I totally understand why there's not a spell for it, but it still makes me ubersalty that there isn't.

>>151108049
Because I'm a dwarf and those niggas are bumfucked if they don't go Mahk or 2pac.

Now that I think about it, why does Poison Magic not even have a level 7 spell? Looks like the game here is basically hybriding to another Conjuration or whatever the fuck magic branch class as soon as possible (as early as D9-11) and then proceed like any normal Deep Elf training Charms for haste/deflect missiles.

How do we buff Poison magic and make it as solid as Fire/Ice/Earth?

>Minefields with only like seven mines

Was the military somehow running out of mines?

>>151153497
I don't think most of the minefields you come across at completely random locations necessarily have to make sense.

>There's a dino zoo in the town
>Zombies think they can eat the dinosaurs
>Literally three days later there's still eight Gallimimus dodging everything

>>151153414
Poison as a status effect is shit because everything resists it and the other stuff deals huge damage instantaneously. If you gave other status effects to the poison school like paralysis/sleep, blind, confusion, slow, or instantaneous irresistable lethal poison then maybe it might be ok, it'd be different from the other schools of magic, and it'd still have good flavor. The devs for whatever reason think status effects are more powerful than just killing your opponent outright so they'll never add high level spells with irresistible status effects. They even removed mass confusion which can be resisted too so good luck.

If status effects aren't your cup of tea, you could add a high level spell that causes instant death in poisoned targets. M-muh balance though! I-it's not like firestorm or glaciate instakill their targets!

Are large shield worth it on medium sized species?
Is the drawback bad when you use them with just 15 skill instead of 25?

>>151153414
>How do we buff Poison magic and make it as solid as Fire/Ice/Earth?
Give it a 4school lvl 8 spell

>>151153414
>>151154412
The thing is glaciate and firestorm arent even needed and you actually shouldnt go for them in 3rune run, their respective bolts will carry you all the way to zot
Poison bolt on the other hand uh... it exists atleast...

>>151153414
>>151154412
How about an AoE version of the -rPois spell those naga venom mages in snake get?

It wouldn't make poison as strong as the other elements, but it'd at least let you do something to lategame enemies with it.

Change poison bolt into acid bolt
There we go poison is now a viable hybrid spellschool

>>151155070

>4school

Alright you've gone too far

>>151155331
Lvl 7 acid cloud
Lvl 8 Acid bolt
Lvl 9 Ring of Acid

>>151155331
>>151155437
CHANGE POISON BRAND INTO ACID BRAND

>>151155653
BUT THAT WOULD DESTROY THE WEAPON

>>151155331
>>151155437
>>151155653
fucking all of these

>>151155223
Yea. It'd be great of a lot of the monster only spells were opened up to the player. It'd make the game a lot more interesting in general.

>>151155223

That kind of ala-requirement spell would tick off the devs. They won't like it since they even outright removed a relatively harmless Cure Poison instead of nerfing it.

How do crawl devs justify poison school?

>>151154879
Yes. No. But just stick with regular shield until you skill up a bit, unless you really need the ego/resists that the large shield gives

>>151155223
>>151155437
>>151155880
>resistance piercing
>acid spells
>monster spells
This will literally never happen because it's scummy and problematic.

>>151155981
>Not wanting to remove bloat

>>151155981
It's a holdover from Linley era crawl. It'll soon be removed.

>>151155981

It certainly looks like bloat and unfinished product for now. Sure, it has neat things like Spoidah for Tm, Ignite Poison for that dank Poison Cloud/Mephitic Cloud+Ignite Poison, Poison Arrow for that somewhat buffed Iron Shot if the target is capable of being poisoned but it's still severely lacking.

>>151156274
>It'll soon be removed.
Did they actually say it?

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>>151135779
>never went to school
>feel retarded everytime I see operations like this

Feels weird to be the only hillbilly who likes roguelikes.

>>151148652
You can combine it with Ignite Poison and create bigass areas full of fire. The poison-resistant fags will gladly walk into the clouds before you ignite them. Cool way to kill packs of enemies.

>>151148652
>three spell schools
>2/3 are not poison
literally not a poison spell

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>>151154412
>tfw they removed Singularity

Why, tho?

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>>151156530
Have you played Hydra Slayer? I heard you will be automatically awarded the Ph.D if you beat it.

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Why?

>>151157206
Too nethacky.
Too angbandy.
Too cdday.

>>151157465
Because trunk, that's why. :^)

>>151157465
>6% chance to not die

>>151157284
Haven't palyed it. Is it fun?

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>splat on DCSS again
>ask wife to pick my next starting package for the lulz
>she picks Halfling Assassin because it sounds funny

And now my wife's half-assed pick is shaping up to become my first-ever 15-rune ascension. Cerebov just contributed the 12th. Thanks babe!

>>151156348
Didn't they make Ignite Poison not hurt venomous creatures too at some point?

>>151157967
I actually used scroll of teleportation and luckily he didn't firebolt me.

>>151158272
How many times have you posted this

>>151158274

What do you mean? They never did that.

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>>151158272
And Mnoleg here gave me the 13th rune not too long ago. (Yes, the screenshots are from earlier because I can't post to 4chan from work's VPN.)

I'm gonna spend a little time scumming Pan to get my gold reserves back up for bribing the last two Hell branches (Dis and Gehenna). Can't take any chances when I'm this close to pulling off my first 15-runer.

>>151158394
I think I posted an earlier pic in the ded thread and got no replies. Sorry about that. Guess I'll hold off on more posting til I get my victory screenshot. Or my death, if I somehow still manage to fuck this up.

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>>151158208
I'm terrible at math, so I had !FUN!, not fun.

>>151157206
Their reasoning was that translocations is not supposed to be a damage school and having a supportive magic school culminate in a damage spell

>>151158272
Next time ask your wife's son

>>151158832
We just have a cat, so I guess I'm going Felid next time.

>>151158832
She only has a daughter

on a three rune run with a necromancer, would it be worth it to pick up bolt of magma? It has three schools that I haven't been training, but I really haven't gotten any other good damage spells and have mainly been using vamp draining and melee.

>>151159057
bolt of magma is utter shit purely based on it being 3 school

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>Found Lajatang of Order and Brilliance on the same run
>already have the min delay for both
>can't decide if use Laj for more power or Brilliance+shield for defense and spellpower

>>151158823

>supportive magic school
>controlled blink

Nice """"support"""" faggots. Fucking devs can't play without their gay ass cblink. Why isn't there anyone petitioning to remove this yet?

>>151158786
Guess I'll try it. What's the worst that could happen?

>>151159216
Because nobody cares about it after it getting bumped up a level
It's all about passage of golubria now

>>151159057
No, hold out for something easier to train. Heck, Portal Projectile and a ranged weapon skill would be easier to bring online, and probably more useful to you in the long run.

>>151159316

And why would a a passage of golubria be in any way superior to unlimited blink scrolls?

>>151158686
So was it that it won't hurt poisoned enemies anymore?

>>151159470
No contamination, 20% of the xp required

>>151159508

>No contamination, 20% of the xp required

so it's basically nothing

>>151159481

It never did that in the first place or else it'd be worse than badwrongfun.

>>151159729
Have fun trying to get cBlink castable while everyone else just goes Haste and Golubria in less XP

>>151159881
I WILL have fun thank you very much.

>>151160023
That's the most important part!
Godspeed anon

>>151159881

But you can get both Haste and cBlink? Unlimited blink scrolls!

So when will anyone decide to remove this gay ass spell

>>151160106
This naga knows.

>>151160023
You can always roll with Passage while you train for cBlink, then use amnesia to free up the spell slots once you're ready.

>>151159470
>>151159508
Does carrying the Orb still prevent cBlink from working properly? I could see a case to be made for preferring PoG during the Orb run, if that were the case.

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This is a nice floor. I won't get rekt here with only rC+ now would I?

>>151161460
Poison Arrow will probably carry you.

>>151159868
Actually no I'm pretty sure it used to do that, before they removed it for being nethacky bloat.

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looks like a unique made to wreck DESus

>>151162106
Read silence, pop berserk, evoke wands until he dies.

>>151132167
>>Can't make torches with hard alcohol anymore
What the fug? Who made that change?

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Ohhh an endgame item

>>151162743
Yeah boi. The question now is not whether you can win, but how many runes you're willing to push your luck for.

>>151155223
>Curare storm
A combo of toxic radiance and a small tornado that affects everybody with curare and a strong poison.