/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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First for rev up your butt hole, real nigga hours start now.

what's HOGI

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>>150885770
In danger is what it is.

Gastronok is also on the floor.

>>150885915
pop fog

>>150885770
>https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8072&sid=450f9af0d66b0370c89e4abc6ef9f8d5
Hill Orc Gladiator.

>>150885915
Fog and nope out.. Remember you can use lightning later for a cheaper alternative.

>>150885915
... hill orc going insane?

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>>150885770

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How much you wanna bet there's an orange statue over there too?

Lair entrance is here too. Gastro died pretty easily with some beserk and injury mirror. Hat of pondering worth it?

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>>150886023
Exactly that.

This was what popped up when I googled Hill orc going insane.

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i think halflings in dcssca might be slightly imbalanced

Why did crawldevs rename double/triple swords for exactly two versions? What kind of infighting prompted this?

>>150887478
For a bit there was an attempt to make the game more serious tonally.

>>150886731
That's the dumbest shit, kek

>>150887609
That's fucking stupid
Linley is rolling over in his grave

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For the guy who requested it last thread. Took me a good amount of digging to find.

>>150888228
They wanted to distance themselves even more from NetHack I guess.

>>150888419
This is the stupidist reasoning behind designing a game I've ever heard of.
>Hey guys there's this fun mechanic I think we could use
>Was it in another game?
>Well yeah but what does tha-
>BLOOAAAAAAT

>>150888702
Not a problem they will run into with NetHack, since no mechanic in that game is fun.

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>>150888506
>If you'd read the notes you would see that spells in that branch scale with the highest school, not the average of their schools. Having more schools makes it easier to use, not harder.

oh shit, so I've been wasting half my xp on ice magic for nothing?

I mean I still have 999 spellpower so it doesn't really matter, but still...

>>150889029
you said there was no spellpower cap
the game is a fucking fraud

>>150889095
I think that was the last ca-anon who said that.

Halfling is ridiculous though. I currently have wild magic 2, 2 rings of ice and a staff of ice, which brings IMB up to 999 spellpower. I've hit 360+ damage with it.

>>150888228
You mean Lindsay.

Is Uskayaw worth following? If so, with which species/bg combos?

>>150889761
>Is Uskayaw worth following?
Yes. Paralyze the entire Vault:5 ambush for a turn then cleave them all in half with an axe or stomp.
>If so, with which species/bg combos?
The standard Spank'N'Tank stuff with decent invocations.

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Is Smeagol immortal? I've "killed" it like 20 times, yet It keeps attacking me

>>150886747
Once you max out spellpower, it starts doing 400+ damage.

>>150888848
I've always enjoyed polymorph self.

>>150888397
rattle in pieces mr skeltal

>>150889761
Uskayaw is a fun god so you should play something equally fun like Ds

>>150890804
It's probably not smeagol. More likely, it's clear worms.

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Lair is clear and christ almighty look at this drop.

Also, is the +4 the unbranded has on the freezing make it worth using more?

>>150890804
there's more than one invisible enemy anon

you're probably fighting a clear or abyss worm mass

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This guy has a unrand plate armor and an amulet

>>150891693
unwield distortion so you don't banish him accidentally

>>150891340
>>150891436
that makes sense. Seamgol's dialogue appeared earlier and it doesn't appear anymore so I probably killed him awhile ago. Do I need see invisible inorder to loot his corpse or does he not drop anything?

>>150891693
Throw javelins at him.

>>150891954
Smeagol always(?) drops a fancy piece of equipment for the extremely early levels he shows up at. He also teleports when you robs you. And the game tells you when you kill him. He's probably still alive.

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>>150891785
>>150891990
I'd use it if it didn't shit on my EV

>>150892089
He probably just teleported away. Loot is always visible.

>>150892420
I think in vanilla angband it's probably best to just ditch the level if Smeagol shows up early and you can't see invisible. Otherwise he's likely to steal all your gold and make it really hard to get it back.

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>>150882734

lmao fug DDDD:

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I hear they have a nice rune over at Snake

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I mean.

I can probably get them but its gonna take a while, even if I stop using them.
>>150893880
Banish him anon. Don't worry, you won't see him the abyss later. Probably.

>>150893880
Just pop fear and grab it

>>150894163
>>150894218
Invo is too low to get thorugh his MR, I'm guessing it'll be the same with a fear scroll

>>150894472
Creatures of animal intelligence always get feared

>>150894610
Oh, didn't know that, thanks

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Which is better: Rupert ghost or Aizul ghost?

And don't worry, I'm not going any deeper than elf:1.

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>>150895224
Ok I fell for the ebin ruse congratulations

My trident teleported it away

>>150895435
Yeah, I wouldn't listen to /rlg/ when it comes to very desperate matters. Some fucker told me to use a scroll of silence against Lom Lobon a couple days ago.

>>150895435
I actually wasn't trying to trick you, I thought that was a thing. Maybe it was removed. All's well that ends well I guess

>>150895402
Rupert is the thresher of all things, but I don't know how well he functions as a ghost.

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>>150896909
He paralyzes and confuses well enough.
But how about vs Frances?

I'm completely burned out on DCSS. Fuck Vault 5. Fuck Spider 4. Ugh. What roguelike should I try next?

>>150897270
Nethack, Brogue, DoomRL

>>150897270
DEMON

>>150895435
Agility, haste, might and just kill it.

>>150897270
Brogue, Sil, Infra arcana are the best. Elona+ is comfy. Demon is pokemon. DDA for HoardersRUs zombie survival notRL

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>getting raped by an invis
>go down a floor straight into an orc party
>run around the corner
>right into a MiBe ghost

I died.

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>>150895669
>Silence against Lom Lobon
Why would someone ruse you like this?

>>150899285
Either they were wrong as fuck or wanted to see me fault horribly.

>>150899285
The bitter pain drives the lesson home.

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>>150897668
>Elona
>more comfy than DDA

>>150899479
DDA is shit and it gets shittier every month.

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>>150899657

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>>150899806
Just telling it like it is

Can someone explain how pets in Poschengband work? are they only acquired through capture balls and do they work on any mob including bosses? Can pets level up? I don't see an information on pets in the pastebins and wikis for it.

>>150899479
Neither Elona+ nor DDA are comfy. Both are highly complicated and super-duper grindy in tedious ways. Elona's also badly translated and makes me feel like I'm going insane, while DDA revels in adding bullshit tedious timesinks in the name of realism.

A comfy roguelike would be something simpler and easier like DOOMRL although it's not perfect.

>>150900629
>A comfy roguelike...like DOOMRL
>Rip and Tear
>Comfy

>>150900125
Not really.

>>150899285
>Why would someone ruse you

Deliberately giving bad advice is the only thing that gives me sexual pleasure anymore.

>>150900629
>DOOMRL
>comfy
Please do not use words that you don't understand.

Comfy is snuggling up in bed with a pot of hotdogs and a bottle of Wild Apple after a long day of hacking through living corpses and weathering turret fire.

>>150901240
Try sounding

>>150897270
play a HaCj in DCSS-ca and oneshot everything with magic darts because it's hilariously imbalanced

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I'm betting Lerny is much, much better than Frances' ghost. Can I kill and enslave it?

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>>150899206
>>>>>>mibe ghost
>>>>>speed 10
>>>>>>>>no spells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not evoking feet

>>150900557
capture balls, wands of charm monster, the aphrodite demigod power, a few class powers...

oh yeah, and summoned allies count as pets as well

if you want to take them with you to new places they either need to stand right next to you or be inside a capture ball

you *can* have uniques as pets but they have extra chances to resist most kinds of charming

pets can level up if it's possible for their species, but putting them in a ball resets their xp to 0

>>150901321
>have a bunch of food
>live off boiled water and spider meat because I don't want to waste permafood
I can't bring myself to comfy.

Similarly my characters always end up dressed like neckbeards instead of wearing cute outfits because having high storage instead of having to run back home every time you need a tool is less awful.

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>tfw finding 4 mutation potions

I'm gonna fucking do it

>>150899430
>wanted to see me fault horribly
This. It was this.

Some shitlord has been giving intentionally bad information to people asking for advice here recently, and if this were old/rlg/ we would have run them out of town long ago.

This isn't old/rlg/, though, so enjoy the wild ride.

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Wow the bastard went down fast. Didn't even get the chance to catch his soul like a pokemon.

>>150902507
Boiled water and spider meat sounds pretty comfy. It's a comfy apocalypse, not Harvest Moon.

>my characters always end up dressed like neckbeards instead of wearing cute outfits because having high storage instead of having to run back home every time you need a tool is less awful.
That's what carts are for, lad. And you can always accessorize with cat ears and sunglasses and whatnot.

>>150902748
>old/rlg/ was helpful and a community that would protect itself from shitlords
>new /rlg/ has people intentionally misinforming scrubs for comedy

most places on this site have been turning into reddit, not devolving back to 4chan from it

that is a good thing seeing as /vg/ is practically reddit these days with hilarious and original /pol/ humor thrown in between all the neckbeards whining about why their games are so shit

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What DDA does well is atmosphere, I think.

Like, why did this guy have a safe full of homemade guns in the basement?

>>150903426
On the map, I always mark those houses as "/k/ommando basement"

>>150903426
in my experience playing DDA it's pretty normal to come up on an arsenal fit for a military base in any old house

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Is summon demons worse than summon hydras? Cause I'll dump Frances for Bai, especially since I couldn't catch Lerny.

>>150900729
>>150901321
I value player comfyness over character comfiness. otab is comfy. Mashing the shoot button at imps is comfy. Going through at least a dozen keystrokes to do anything in DDA is not comfy.

An open-world roguelike where you can set your own challenges and play it safe if you want is comfy, but DDA is not that roguelike. UrW fits pretty well, when I think about it.

>>150901776
You can enslave any natural I think.

>>150902747
Post results.

>>150902507
You get so much permafood it's obscene. Do a marauder challenge with no foraging or hunting some time just to realize how much of the shit you get if you stop jerking off all day.

Plus just building a rock kiln or welding together a couple charcoal kilns to throw in a cargo space gets you oodles of charcoal to smoke any extra meat and dry extra forage veggies/berries you get while you fuckbutt around. Once you do the smithing craft chain for a hoe you'll be planting150-300 wild veggies/buckwheat crops at your cache in each town by some metal tanks with metal funnels getting rainwater.

Just keep your crap in your pull cart.

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>>150903840
disappointing desu

robust is cool but I hope the rest doesn't fuck me

already had the top 4

>>150904016
You are a lesson for all others, now.

>>150904016
Nah that's bretty gud. Extra EV and hp is great. Even basic threat assessment makes the others irrelevant.

>>150901240
Reminds me of that one comic page of that cyborg soldier government experiment

>>150903527
Most of the military installations you can find in labs are worse equipped (weaponry-wise, they usually have some neat books and gear) than 1/4 of New England's basements.

>>150904413
The one that's mostly wordswordswordswordswords for 4 panels and could be summed up as "got dropped on warcrime by evil corporation, attacked by evil planetary ghost for like 3 years, eventually escaped."?

>>150904440
Too bad it doesn't matter cause you can't hit the side of a house from 10 tiles away with the most accurate sniper setup in the game, 20 perception, and 15/15 rifle marks skill cause of assmad faggots shitting up the code.

>>150902748
Good. Fuck you and your fucking hugnox.
And fuck crawl too.

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>>150902748
>Some shitlord has been giving intentionally bad information to people asking for advice here recently

>recently

I've been giving garbage advice since year one, but it's for your own good. In fact, you may remember me from such training videos as "Stair Kicker" and "Violet Molds: A Melee Approach".

After enough horrific deaths, you'll start to take every piece of advice with a grain of salt, immunizing you from the shitty garbage you'll read on /r/roguelikes and the Tavern. You should be thanking me for getting you killed.

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Two questions.

1)What should I acquire?

2)Whats the best way to take V:5 with Yred?

>>150906003
>1)What should I acquire?

Gold is always useful.

>>150906003
Some common sense. Without a character dump this is a stupid question. What you acquire doesn't matter much anyhow.

Get to the sides and recall.

What's a good god for a GrGl? Should I just go with Okawaru, or would it be worth going with Chei for cheeky bullshit or some other god (like Mahkleb maybe) that gives me more utility beyond my melee combat capabilities?

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m-maybe DsBe isn't all that viable...

>>150906052
That would require shops being useful which I have almost never experienced.

>>150905601
With all the stupid DCSS questions we've been getting lately we need a little more badvice going around.

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>>150905601
>Eating cockatrice eggs bestows petrification resistance
>Stair kicker
>Violet molds: A Melee Aproach
Oh god, tell me more sensei. Whisper sweet secrets to me.

>>150906197
You just suck.
>all those deaths to normal speed monsters
Kek.

>>150905601
Justifying acting like a cunt still makes you a cunt senpai

>>150906180
Stop fucking asking. They're virtually all good gods. Just pick one and use the shit it does for you.

>>150906197
DsBe is diesel as fuck, it's you senpai.

Throw rocks and kite backwards/use stairs to break up packs.
Stop fighting OOD shit and uniques god damn.
Don't fight ghosts if you aren't a ghostbuster
Actually look at the enemies equipment
Use wands/needles/launchers/whatever to lightly soften up ogres
Instead of zerking, leave. If you had to zerk to live it's going to get you killed eventually so stop playing so aggressively.
Early ice cave/volcano's with the hard bosses can fuck your shit up. Read the kind of damage they can do on the learndb so you actually take them seriously.
Get at least 1 fighting for every 3 weapon skill at the least. It's cheap compared to the average xp per monster and the acc really helps as you step up your weapon class.

>>150906425
Being a useful cunt is more important.

>>150906197
DsBe is viable, but if you want to play as pure melee char, MiBe / DDBe is way easier.
Ds has shitty melee aptitude, you may as well play MiBe if you just want to wear heaviest armor and tab.

>>150906003
>V5 with yred

sounds like a great way to kill all your friends tbqh

Godfuckingdamnit.

On V:5 with a whole damn entourage of undudes that murdered the entire ambush in less than 15 turns. Cleared 3 of the corners only for a single ettin to hit me from like 25% to dead in one hit in the corner of one.

>>150906794
>Stop fucking asking

This is the first time I've ever asked. Have you ever considered surgery to remove the stick that's apparently rammed four feet up your ass?

>>150907110
http://pastebin.com/YsWE3JqX
Morgue if anybody wants it.

>>150907110
HAHAHAHAHA

>>150906003
t-w
Put on rF++/+ gear
Quaff resistance if you need the third pip
Go down
Read immolation
Pop pop pop watch niggas drop
Animate dead
Rip and tear
Read tele once your mooks are getting chewed up
Rip and tear a safe zone
Throw rocks to pull mobs and use corners
If shit's gonna be fucked you can recall your homies

>>150906851
>>150906794
>>150906395

was just hoping to trigger, thanks for the info though, I know I'm fucking terrible. most of it is me going into situations I habitually did not even consider might spell my end, because the rest of the time I'm hitting tab

have an aversion to researching shit beforehand though, with these kinds of games I like to just dive underground and discover all the terrible shit when I get there

>>150907110
Heh heh. Don't fight ettins at low health

>>150907293
I know how to take it normally, when I don't have an army of dudes but the question was if there was a better way to do it with yred. And personally just walking down with all muh dudes was easier than immo since it didn't attract the whole damn floor at once.

>>150907110
>>150907270
>ponderhat
Don't do that unless you know what you are doing (you don't).

>>150906180
atheist is best god

>>150907231
Every day somebody is asking the same stupid fucking question.

>>150907413
Eh, it's just like a normal clear you just have mirror for the big hitters, animate dead as you chew through, drain if you have the invo for it and recall bombing as needed.

>>150907572
1 AUT per move for being able to use drain life two more times was nothing. And it helped my laziness of making my dudes keep up with me better.

>>150907723
>Every day somebody is asking the same stupid fucking question

What, with the same character/class and everything?

>>150907906
Every day it's what's a good god for XXYY or x,y,z for XXYY

>>150907786
You don't know what you're doing.
>And it helped my laziness of making my dudes keep up with me better.
Press ctrl+E or spam recall.

>>150907906
In crawl every combo is the same fucking shit.

>>150907572
Actually, hat of pondering is good for players that don't know how to run away because they aren't affected by the downside at all.

>>150908035
It's almost like you being a cunt and telling them to fuck off doesn't actually do anything and the best thing to do would be to actually answer their question....

really makes you think

What's the current version of MuSu prenerf where once you got Sif to *, you only lose if you fuck up.

And are any classes like that in ToME/PoS

>>150908130
>Actually, hat of pondering is good for players that don't know how to run away because they aren't affected by the downside at all.
Ha, fair enough, anon. Fair enough.
>>150908138
Actually the best thing would be for everyone to just ignore their shitty questions.

>>150908138
I did answer it and apparently you can't read to the end.

Really makes you think.

>>150908329
Don't forget that double move in extended. torment+hellfire wombo combo can snipe you from much higher then you'd expect.

>>150908346
>I did answer it

>stfu
>just be yourself and go with the flow dude XD

yeah that's real helpful

>>150908474
I had no plans on going to any extended except for possibly some brief forays into elf. I wanted a 3-rune victory, 5 at absolute best, so I could just have a morgue where I actually won instead of splatting to an Archdemon.

>>150906425
>giving people questionable advice in a video game genre that is defined by dying over and over and learning from your mistakes
>being a cunt
lad
it's time to take a step back

>>150908257
>What's the current version of MuSu prenerf where once you got Sif to *, you only lose if you fuck up.
what the fuck are you even asking
MuSu of Sif is still MuSu of Sif just slightly different, with a cap on summons and summons that can't attack out of LOS

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are you fucking kidding me

I mean I guess it's pretty fitting but is it always xom or did I (un)luck out

>>150908837
It's any god.

>>150908837
>tfw I got Jivya from that before
That was a fun run.
Fuck you elliptic.

>>150908875
he's laughing right now

Is it a good idea changing god with Lucy? I'm getting a little bored, I even tried getting the abyssal rune for several thousand turns on fucking Abyss:3 and no luck.

>>150908683
It'll win it for you if you just use what the god does.

It's near useless to you because you aren't casting (offensive) spells or want to (Trog)

You can't take it at all because of restrictions

>>150908257
Find the summon cap in the changelog. It's like 0.13 or something.

>>150908959
Go to level 4 or suck it up and grind it out on abyss 3.

>>150909140
Is the difference between 3 and 4 really that great? Every time when i've been in the Abyss the rune generated on 3.

>>150908257
TOME summoner is almost brainless and stupid powerful and doesn't have any limitations that meaningfully work again being able to conjure up sacks of HP and damage from outside LoS of the things you want them to kill.

>>150909246
No. It's just a higher chance to get it And kill you

>>150909246
it's 5% per item at 3 and 10% at 4, assuming the wiki is correct. not really worth it considering how much riskier 4 is

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2cute4me

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Thank you, Jesus.

Has anyone here played elona+?
Apparently x used to be an actions menu, but now it just does your last action. Is there any sort of generic actions menu? I'm just worried I'm not interacting with some things I should be able to possibly.

>>150914518
Yeah, was it recent? Refer to the changelog if so. I played back in 1.16-1.46 and it was examine. The z menu had like 20 commands though but it was entirely redundant and horrible to use.

>>150914518
Nevermind went through the tutorial again because I lost my pet and learned that I could press space over stuff. Kinda wish I knew how to interact with some things without standing directly on top of them though.

>torment doesn't affect undead or demons
>holy word/wrath only affects undead and demons

Okay cool

>torment fully affects demonspawn
>holy word/wrath fully affects demonspawn

Explain this shit. Demonspawn can't both be demonic and not demonic.

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gg

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wp

>slaughter everything on my way down to orcish mines 2, literally don't even berserk once
>walk toward fortress looking thingy
>oh shit orcs in every room
>dunno if ambush or I'm just really fucking bad at this game
>try to teleport scroll away
>teleport directly into the fort in between all of them

I died.

>>150917164
...but that's exactly what they are

>>150917359
I had a similar thing happen the other day because I was looking for the entrance to the Volcano although I didn't know it spawned with an easily identifiable lava pool pit at the time and I got pretty much right in the middle and had to use 3 teleport scrolls to get out because the first two ones I read kept me inside the thing.

>Open door
>A million orc warriors and giants
>Kill a couple
>Run out of mana with a Gnoll Captain still left
>Conjure Flame and run away
>Suddenly, Urug
>One of the gnolls trap me in a net while Urug skewers me from a distance
>Blink, Mephitic Cloud, run for the staircase
>Make it
>Suddenly, Harold
>Traps me in a net on the fucking staircase
>Blink, Mephitic cloud, run back
>Hits me with a wand
>Dead

>>150917445
The two are mutually exclusive though. Torment doesn't affects a subset of creatures. Holy wrath only affects a subset of creatures that has zero intersect with Torment's subset. Yet Demonspawn are in both sets? Doesn't make sense.

>>150917941

>mephitic cloud

fault

>>150918586
oh jeez I messed up that logic, let me try again:

Torment only affects a subset of creatures. Holy word only affects a subset of creatures that has zero intersect with Torment's subset. Yet Demonspawn are in both groups? Doesn't make sense.

>>150918846
Demonspawn is half human, and half demon, thereby being part of both subsets. Makes sense to me.

>>150908257
MuSu of Sif is boring as fuck. Actually all summoning is kind of boring.

>>150919623
They should only take half damage from torment and half from HW.

>>150908837
on the bright side the penalty for abandoning xom is just more xom actions (although with him more bored than average)

>>150913594
>implying resistances matter that early in the dungeon
>implying you will manage to avoid splatting a naga long enough for that robe to start mattering

>>150919747
There's a demonspawn mutation that gives them torment resistance. According to the wiki it negates 50% of torments, so there you go. Also nothing even casts holy word so it's a non-issue.

Why do games with interesting concepts Catacylsm and Elona have to be the worst designed pieces of shit ever. I walk into a town in Elona and there's just a basement full of hundreds of slimes. Like what the hell am I supposed to be training my combat here? Why is this here. Why the hell do both of tutorials tell you to do things that are literally impossible to do because of updates. I do the first tutorial in Cataclysm and it tells me to pick up water with G with an empty plastic bottle. Turns out you can't pick up water with G and instead have to examine the puddle of water then apply your water bottle on it or whatever. Tutorial stopped right there I guess because it was checking whether or not I pressed g so I didn't learn shit. Then I had to sit through an hour of some fucking nerd talk about all sorts of stupid shit and I still didn't know how to play the game.
I get mugged by an NPC in Cataclysm then my ally won't shoot him with a gun and instead runs off killing the random wolves and shit that stand on the peripheral. These games are just such unfinished messes like what the hell why can't you at least let me tell my ally to target shit and why can't you keep your fucking tutorials updated.

>>150920389
Never player Elona, but cataclysm is a hot mess. It can't be helped, considering it's nature. DDA is just a bunch of people making a game, not any specific person or team. Over time, the number of features and items and monsters got so high it just got retarded. Too much variety just makes the game seem goofy and strange. There's so many items that do the same thing.

>>150920389
Elona is a single player mmorpg. Cataclysm:DDA is an autism simulator.

>>150920731
>Cataclysm:DDA is an autism simulator
why is this even a genre?

>>150920784
because we (/rlg/) has the autism

>>150920784
https://youtu.be/EX5bVo9OOj8

>>150920389

That slime basement is just a quest because the game took a pity on you that you're so much of a skrub you could use the """"reward"""".

>>150920731
>single player mmorpg
>autism simulator
One of those includes the other.

>>150885053

So why is /rlg/ against ascension screens now? Is this because of the awooo cunt?

>>150920389
>tutorials
Who cares about those nowadays?
If the game is as complex as any roguelike that isn't Crawl, a tutorial won't help you.

>>150921832
Because it's boring and uninteresting. You can post them if you want though

>38 hours in, ToME clicks with me

HOLY SHIT FUCK
THIS GAME IS FUN
YOU JUST GOTTA PUT ON YOUR DIABLO MINDSET

>>150921980
Shit, really? This sounds rad! Lemme try it out!

>>150921840
>If the game is as complex as any roguelike that isn't Crawl, a tutorial won't help you.
Most roguelikes are pretty simple and the only thing needed is a control scheme because the most important thing you need to know is that you need to go down. CDDA is just a mess. Elona is fine just I felt a little directionless and was a little frustrated with the outdated tutorial and some other small things I felt lacked polish.

>>150921980
>>150922075

I'm already bored as fuck, thanks for nothing!

>>150920958
fuck children

>>150922203

Fuck you, cunt.

>>150922237
Rude

>>150922146
See! Literally Diablo!

>>150922237
Fuck yourself, bitch.

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>>150922203

>>150921980
it's like otabbing, except you mash your number row instead

actually it's still more interesting than playing an otab race in crawl

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>>150923361

>>150923438
I feel like it has more engaging combat than any other roguelike, especially on harder difficulties. I wish it had a decent ASCII mode or a good tileset, though.

>>150923768
tome combat doesn't feel particularly engaging to me

on normal difficulty it's just "mash whichever of your main damage abilities are off cooldown while killing trash" with the occasional "panic when an elite turns out to have dangerous skills and fucks you up"

on harder difficulties presumably it turns into a hell of a lot more of "see elite -> read through its entire long-ass skill list to see how threatening it is" with the same amount of "tabbing" against the hordes of trash non-elite enemies

>>150922092
>Most roguelikes are pretty simple and the only thing needed is a control scheme

>IVAN
>poscheng
>nethack
>adom
>powder
In not even a single one of those a tutorial would be useful.

>>150923961
>In not even a single one of those a tutorial would be useful.
what

"tutorial doesn't tell you everything you need" and "tutorial not useful" are very different things

usually the point of the tutorial is just to cover the basic control shit

>>150923930
Classes can play very differently and on higher difficulties the character building and combat become a lot more interesting as you're forced to play conservatively or get boped.

>>150923930
this

>>150924253
my problem is that the nature of playing conservatively involves reading the long-ass randomly-generated character sheets

>>150923930
Every game has popcorn, ToME gives you fun ways to dispose. And mashing will eventually get you fucked even on normal, unless you're playing a potato class. It feels like a good change of pace from DCSS where mashing the kill button is pretty much all you do and character building lacks any real choices.

>>150924569
as I said, it's better than mashing tab in dcss
both can get kinda boring

not every game has quite as huge amounts of popcorn though -- look at sil or brogue

>>150924448
You generally don't really have to, it requires a little knowledge, but you can recognize the enemy class or just identify the dangerous talents at a glance. Plus they're not that long unless you stop to read what every single one does.

>>150924686
Sil is pretty much the anti-tome, I really appreciate both sides of the spectrum. Brogue is boring as shit and I don't see how it became such a semi popular game.

>>150924253
>combat become a lot more interesting as you're forced to play conservatively or get boped
Actually it gets a lot less interesting as you're forced to kite, abuse corners, use quick abilities and then cover etc.

Conservative play is one of the worst aspects of ToME. And all too often it is similar to conservative play in DDA, where it's easy if you go slow, but instant rape if you do few wrong moves. Except in DDA one wrong move isn't enough, while in ToME it is.

>>150924838
>kite, abuse corners, use quick abilities and then cover
>not fun

DCSScucks???

>>150923438

>playing an otab race

So basically, every single melee chars right? Except a FeTm of course.

>>150925089
>implying casters aren't just oTab with different buttons

>>150925006
>glorified pillar dancing, now with damage
>fun

>>150923961

There's a tutorial in IVAN? I thought the tutorial there was literally dying. Like losing consciousness and vomiting all the food you ate every single turn for no reason at all.

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>>150925189
>making tactical use of terrain is the same as walking in circles waiting for your hp to regen

Gas all DCSS apologists.

>>150923961
I learned DynaHack playing tutorial.

>>150925174

They really aren't. For starters you only press a single button once, select a target, confirm then release. It's a complete opposite of tabbing wherein you hold a single button, hold it indefinitely until everyone dies then press o.

>>150925174
>different buttons
>he doesn't automagic_enable=true

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Even without Disaster Area / Upheaval, Qazlal is fucking loud, I can't even dive Zot, the enemies keep coming after me.

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>>150923580
jesus christ

lmao
dpeg advocating for only 1 of pan/hell appearing per game
>Our choice how long we want the game to be.
>If you want to play an older version, *just do so*.

>>150914920
Look with *
Read the list of commands
Pay attention to the UI. It often has its context sensitive shit on it.

>>150917941
>Use loud spells
>"Suddenly"
Uh....

what is the roguelike flavour of the month right now?

>>150917941
game?

>>150930998
Forays into Norrendin

>>150930565
based retards developing crawl

>>150930998
Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon

>>150930998
Maplestory

>>150930998

Elona+

>>150930565
Brogue and Sil don't even have branches.
How can the same people who masturbate over those two shit on Crawl for removing things?

I'm trying to excuse this with
>they probably just didn't play them
but I can't lie to myself, as the truth is obvious:
Sil and Brogue are just meme roguelikes and /rlg/ doesn't actually like them. The more Sil-like or Brogue-like (heh) a roguelike becomes, the more shit will it get.

>>150932289
brogue and sil are shit exactly because they have low headroom and no replayability, which is the same thing that's happening to crawl
>muh tactics
go play a turn based strategy game faggots

>>150932663
>only one hell per run
>limiting replayability

>>150930998

Frozen Depths

I'm all for making Crawl shorter without removing good content, to be honest.

>>150934483

consider suicide

It seems to be that time of the month for me.

That time when I obsess over Unreal World for a while, build a log cabin, get to the point where im settled and then get bored as fuck.

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>>150935332
At least you don't get slex times of the month.
I do.

why do I only find this shit when I'm trying to get a caster rolling

>people unironically shit on Sil
this is what crawl does to a human brain

Crawl is boring as fuck.

>>150920389
#1 - Get good
#2 - Faggot

>>150934483
>remove floors and condense all the enemies
>now have to spend even more time kiting shit and stairdancing
thanks crawl devs

>worship ru
>sacrifice skill
>permanent -1 to all aptitude
I thought it reduced my current skill from 9 to 8.

>sacrifice stealth
>sacrifice purity 2 times (shout mutation)
no problem with this

>sacrifice several magic school

>sacrifice health (ev -3)
piety is almost maxed

try out draw out power (heal)
oh wow, it's not even better than potion of heal wounds.

later...

dead because my ev is too small and Ru doesn't help much.
the draining drawback from every ability is also annoying.

what's a good glyph to use for plants that's not P, something like the for trees

>>150934483
I'm all for making it shorter as well, but all the devs seem to be doing is what >>150938131 says, which makes the game just longer unless youre goodplayer™ skilling optimally aka nofunallowed.
like they did with the Dungeon->Depths
D 15-27 was a shitton less time consuming to play through than current depths is

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Fuck yes. Finally.

>>150938550
>"
>#
>=

>>150943185
not roguelike

shoo

>>150943185
>necrodancer
Wrong general.

>>150943305
How is it not a roguelike? It's turn based, grid based, levels are randomly generated. The only main differences are that items are not randomly generated like potions and ect, and that enemies will move even if you dont because of the beat.

>>150943427
So is Civ

>>150943474
Come on. Necrodancer is at worst a Rogue-lite. There was no Rogue lite general and this one was on page 10.

>>150940631
I wish we had fewer enemies that were more dangerous and worth more exp. More 40HP Orc Knights, fewer 5 Orc packs that would be exceptionally lucky to have 40HP between them.

>>150943427
it's real time pseudo-turn based, and it's not even remotely permadeath. there are save points and permanent progress. it's not even a roguelite honestly, just a dungeon crawler

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>>150943771
What? You have the save play mode, but also the full on "Do the full game with no permanent upgrades" mode.
And if you want to play a full on Roguelike you can play with Bard.

Bard all zone mode is literally just a Roguelike with no unknown potions.

>>150944025
but bard mode is babby mode

>>150943590
There used to be a roguelite general but it died because no one likes roguelites enough to complain about them all day long.

Furthermore roguelites are not roguelikes and as such do not belong in /rlg/. Thanks for bumping the thread though.

>>150944138
It's Roguelike mode, yes.

>>150944140
No problem. I'll try to make one just to gloat then.

>>150944025
"b-b-b-but it has 10 options which you can toggle on to make it a roguelike!!!!"
EUIV is a roguelike

>>150944258
yeah, but the game has no substance if you take out the rhythm aspect

>>150944365
It's one option. The character has no beat and so it's turn based. Stop being so facetious, it's clearly a roguelike if you play with Bard. It's a roguelite if you play any other character.

>>150944373
I never said it's a great roguelike, but it's one. It's casual and fun.

>>150921980
You're here forever now sucker!

Try odyssey

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It's disto. Time to get memed

I have 10 hexes and 6 air magic and still can't cast silence. I've used up all the experience in the branch so far to fuel my hybridization

Sojobo is camping Vaults:3 so I'll probably have to get the elven rune or the abyssal one

>DDBe
>can berserk when I meet enemies I need to kill
>Trog's Hand can heal me to full
>never ever sacrifice my Max MP, unless I'm in orb run. I don't care in orb run since the game is about to end
>good weapon drop from Trog, sometimes get vampiric weapon

>DDNe of Pakellas
>Finally accumulate 1 star piety to charge wand of healing
>can't even use vampiric draining anymore since my MP doesn't regenerate
>wand charge depends on evocation skill
>charge it anyway
>only 1 charge
>tab a few enemies
>0 charge
>dead

Is it just me or Trog is just too powerful compared to Pakellas for DD ?

>>150944876
You just picked a backgroud which didn't mesh well with pakellas. Pakellas is for tabdudes to pretend they're mages

Just post fucking lolis you minotaurs.

>>150944772
AND? WHAT DID HAPPEN?

>>150945136
THEY TOOK HER!..

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AND DON'T YOU BUMP ME OR MY @ AGAIN UNLESS YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DUNGEON

>>150945136
I creamed my wand of iceblast all over its face and then just tabbed it. Since I followed lugonu banishment wasn't a concern anyways, though it certainly hurt

>>150945327
WELL IM SORRY TO HEAR THAT
*tabs*
CAUSE
*trains UC*
RIGHT NOW?
*tabs some more*
I WILL SNATCH EVERY MOTHAFUCKA ORB
*dies*

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I forgot this shithole has no rune

It didn't even have the decency to give proper loot

>>150946225
>normal arrows and javelins at this point in the game y

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>>150922203

>>150946409
>implying branded arrows exist
>not following the vision of the glorious god's team

>>150925329
Who is this semen demon?

Noob question but is Trog going to hate me if I use scrolls? All these cursed items are shit!

>>150948549
everything a god hates is marked in deep red colour and usually prompts a "are you sure"-message as well
so no, trog does allow scrolls
all he keeps you from is casting spells.

>>150948798
I see, thanks. Just wish I hadn't dropped like five scrolls that I found earlier.

>>150948798
>>150949038
Kek, the first scroll I read was a scroll of remove curse. I'm denouncing kek in favor of Trog.

What's the point of Demigods in dcss?

>>150949831
Challenge runs that aren't complete hell.

>>150949903
How? They have such bad aptitudes for everything. Do you simply grind exp in infinite branches?

>>150950345
you make do with less

>>150950345
>They have such bad aptitudes for everything
>-1 is a bad aptitude
Play mummy sometime friend.

They have good stats, higher than normal max mana and health, magic resist per level and innate sustain attributes. They're excellent mages for 3 runes provided you can find some books early.

>>150950709
Good stats is a understatement. They have by far the highest base stats in the game overall and the quickest stat progression as well. Next in base stats are high elves but demigods are much sturdier

>>150944876
Why does everyone try to use shit backgrounds like Ar or Ne for pak?

Just be a fuckin Fi/Gl

>>150951261
other games make class matter more for the long-term and people don't adapt

How much training does Haste take? Is it even feasible to get enough without doing extended?

>>150950709
Even Mummy can make a better Necromancer than a Demigod.

>>150952276
And a worse everything else.

>>150952095
if you play a DE you can get it before lair is over with that sweet +4 apt

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Yeah I felt that was going to bite me in the ass later

My muts were kind of shit anyways

>>150952635
I just remembered I had nightstalker and now I feel bad

>>150952095
it's a single-school level 6 spell, so similar to the exp involved in getting a double-school level 5 spell like fireball or battlesphere

>>150952507
yeah but then you're playing a deep elf

>>150953203
>implying deep elves aren't one of the most fun races
You can learn all those weird neat spells you can't justify learning with anything else, and you have low enough hp that you can't just otab through the game.

Why is there no god that brands your weapon with vampirism? For as rare of a brand as it is you'd think Yred would love to give it to you.

>>150953445
This.
Not to mention you can easily scum ziggurat for experience and gear.

>>150953750
vamp is one of the best brand in dcss against living target.

>>150953936
>vamp is one of the best brand in dcss against living target.
Well yeah. And yet by the time you're likely to get it you're going into Zot at best. Having Yred brand your shit with vamp would cement him as the premier 3 rune god.

>>150950709
Yeah, but they level so slowly that it balances out anyways. Sure they get more mana per level, but they're so many levels behind anyways that it makes no noticeable difference. Maybe in lategame

>>150954086
God piety maxes out too early for vamp battleaxe of fuck the rest of the game

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Good thing I didn't accidentally zap myself.

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Well this is new.

>>150957015
Thats old as fuck

>>150957464
Its shit I've never see so its new to me.

>>150885053

I thought FTL - Faster than Light is a Roguelike.

Why not recommended

>>150904184
HA I just ate 4 chunks of mutagenic flesh and got 4 great mutations

I even put down the other 2 and quit while I was ahead. they're not tempting me in the slightest

>>150958742
It's a roguelite

>>150958742
Dark Souls too
what the h*ck OP

Chess has permadeath. It obviously belongs in /rlg/. Why the hell are you artificially limiting the range of discussion?

>>150959838
it's not about permadeath. real roguelikes are about exploration and monsters, like minecraft

>>150957015
Holy shit are those sixfirhy? If so: ALARM.

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It seems my elven ass brings all the giant boys to the yard

There's another on D:7 and I just killed a two headed ogre

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>>150961954
Wew

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JESUS, LOOKATTHIS.

I just read an acquirement that gave me a shitty buckler and then I find this on the floor. Should I attribute this to the failed acquirement or Trog's grace?

>>150962416
>4 chainmails
>4 battleaxes
>2 tomes for some reason

clean up your inventory please

>>150962506
He should keep flaming for future hydras and elec, at least

I doubt the chain mails are better than his plate though

>>150962506
I'll make a second stash when I find the vaults entrance. And I'm not burning book of the dragon.
>>150962665
Haven't ID'd them yet so I'll dump them all off at once at a stash. I'm a hoarder.

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Oh man, this dungeon level and the one before it were full of uniques I couldn't take on, so I'd better go 50% further into the dungeon.

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>>150962942
Thank goodness, more shit I don't have any control over and don't have any resources to do anything about.

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Remind me /rlg/, how do you deal with Maud?

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Thank you trog.

>>150963503
Same as every unique. Set an exclusion and keep diving until you have enough level to make her easy.

>>150963503
Use poly on her and pray

>>150963503
Upgrade to the latest version and watch her disappear.

>>150964384
Will she actually disintegrate if you load the save in a newer version?

Why not add WoW as a recommended roguelike? Its one of the first

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WHY ARE YAKS SO STRONG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150966108
Around yaks never relax

>>150955456
I didn't knew you could actually paralize Mennas.

>>150958742
>>150959176
>>150959838
>>150965552
Keep trying, someone will fall for it eventually.
At least it might keep the thread bumped.

>>150966321
its not like I even die to them very often or at all, but that group of yaks that encircles you out of nowhere rapes you disproportionately hard. fucking crocodiles are pushovers next to them

>>150965193
I think she'll turn into a harmless save compatibility monster.

>>150966752
If a normal speed monster can surround you "out of nowhere" you are doing something wrong.

Just saying.

What exactly is the appeal of Crawl? Trial and error for a week until you get good?

>>150966752
No matter who you are playing, a 1.0 speed monster cant just surround you like that, unless youre playing naga of chei or some shit..

>>150967078
There are only two types of roguelike: the ones everybody bitches and moans about, and the ones nobody plays.

>>150967013
is there really a ton of foresight or positioning needed for like the first five dungeon levels though

especially when you're a berserker, I just alternate between tab and auto explore

I dont get this normal speed monster meme, is there like a sprint functionality I'm missing or are you just assumed to have the necessary scrolls/potions/abilities in order to gtfo

>>150967193
you just like

keep smashing the one monsters

and the others go around

but you dont really care because their turn to get slaughtered is soon

and kablam surrounded by mostly benign monsters

again this is only for like the first few dungeon levels til I almost die and my asshole puckers up appropriately

>>150967492
Autoexplore will position you poorly for combat, placing you at a disadvantage.

When you see a monster (especially one that can't outrun you), you pull it into known territory or around a corner so as to avoid being surrounded by monsters out of the black -- you don't sit there and swing at it like a moron while the herd fences you in.

That's what you seem to be missing.

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Welp, DD died to a vine hunter in swamp so I rage MiBe afterwards and now i'm cruising. Going to orc next. I probably won't even need help the shit i'm OTabbing through.

>>150967694
You just dont stand still in the open and press tab and hope for the best or something, you kite the monsters in a narrow 1xn space and kill them one by one, for example

>>150967768
trust me I'm way too scared to auto-explore beyond like dungeon 10, and I'm pretty good at kiting even big groups of enemies. just kinda wanted to reeeee about something

>>150967768
Manual explore will position you really poorly for having fun.

>>150968120
I autoexplore through almost the entire game, it's no big deal. Crawl's levels are too big.

>>150968136
Do whatever you want. I'm just explaining why dude above is getting murdered by mundane quadrupeds.

Some people have fun by beating the game, is all.