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tfw no cute /hsg/ bf

top 100 for our card purify

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>Play Cloaked Huntress on turn 3
>Empty my hand of secrets
>Have no cards left
>Opponent plays around my secrets
>Forced to concede because no cards

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Ben Brode gets questioned on video about the Firelands Portal and Arena balance

>Brode: I guess we can NOT make more powerful commons for Mage and Rogue, and make more useful common cards for the shit classes like Hunter, Priest, etc

>Brode: Except I don't think that's the solution, what if I change the way I code arena (Which I don't know if I even can do), or the way that draft in arena works (Which again, I don't know if I can do), or what if arena gets replaced by another play mode, or what if we solution it when new technology comes to Blizzard in some years

>Laughs

>Next question please

THIS GUY IS FUCKING RETARDED

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>kripp complains about pack rng
>next pack is death slut
>next next pack is golden duust
>first pick in new run is legendaries

Violet Illusionist will be great in some warlock decks

>no health penalty for life tap
>play cards like flame imp and pitlord with no health cost

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Forget about dead classes, do you think its gonna be possible to create working dragon/beast/murlock meme deck?

>>150812187
or you could play a better warlock deck

>people think the card that doesn't die to fiery waraxe is the same power level as the card that does to fiery waraxe
uhhhhhh explain this to me shielders?

>>150812158
It's another

>Anon is so thirsty for attention that reposts his own posts from the other thread

Episode....

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I heard TGT was bad for Blizzard in terms of playerbase (and profit obviously), which isn't surprising considering the overall card quality, even tho they at least tried something new with inspire and jousts.
Now that they announced this uninspired pile of garbage, with no interesting mechanics even attempted, and blatantly making one class unplayable, how are the numbers gonna fare for Blizz?

>>150812305

>>150812207
It doesn't even have to meme around it. You could just run azure drake, corrupted coldlight, and stampeding kodo. Those new "zoo" cards are probably the best in the set

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YES HEARTHTARDS

THINK OF ALL THOSE "CREATIVE DECKS" YOU CAN MAKE AND COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE PRINTED ONLY MAYBE 4 PLAYABLE CARDS

AND DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO SAVE PRIEST

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ONLY 20 DOLLARS FOR THE GRAND TOURNAMENT OF ADVENTURES!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

OH YEAH EVERY PLAYABLE CARD IS IN WINGS 2-4

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>150812386
At least half the cards range from decent to great.

>>150811997
Cloaked huntress might work with lock and load
It's not super crazy or anything though.

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>have 600 gold saved up
>considering just buying classic packs cause there isnt a single card in this expansion i want
Why?!?!?!?

>>150812207
If it's going to be anything it'll be Dragon/Beast with MAYBE Bilefin Tidehunter and Sir Finley.

Honestly Beast Druid is looking scarier than it used to be with all these neutral synergies with Zoobot and their own good beasts

>they could have given each priest card +1/+1 and it'd still be unplayable

Did they make it impossible to preorder this expansion because a higher-up felt a pang of guilt at tricking people into paying for this expansion early?

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>>150812554
YES

DECENT TO GREAT

THAT'S THE SPIRIT

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FACT WE DIDN'T PRINT SHIT TO COMPLETELY SHAKE THE META UP

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

WHO THE HELL EVEN BUILDS DECKS WITH MURLOCS, BEASTS, AND DRAGONS? FUCK IF WE KNOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT OUR LOGIC IS, WE MAKE IT, YOU GUYS AS A COMMUNITY FIGURE IT OUT

JUST LIKE PRIEST!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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Your reactions to the adventure?

>Priest cards

>>150812604

no, they still remember the backlash from brm

>>150812386
>AND DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO SAVE PRIEST
Kill yourself Priestfag.

>>150812207
I think so.

Paladin seems the most likely one.
Maybe druid as well.

>>150812207
i believe it's going to best fit in paladin. he can already generate murloc tokens via inquisitor. aldor + kodo combo gets buffed. paladin has a decent class draogon.

>nobody runs kirin tor because secrets weaken your hand and are only really good when they have a deck based around them or are called duplicate
>hunter secrets are far worse and don't even really punish the opponent

Man that snipe and bear trap are gonna be so terrifying when you have to actually spend 2 mana on them

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What did they mean by this?

>>150812668
Based Brode and Donais putting priests in their place(the dumpster).

>>150812386
>>150812631
there is an entire website dedicated to complaining about the expansion it's called reddit you should check it out

>>150812707
One of these cards does to fiery waraxe and the other doesn't

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DID YOU GUYS LIKE SILENCE PRIEST AND DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD ENOUGH CARD DRAW?

WELL GUESS WHAT, THE CARD YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HAS ARRIVED, PURIFY!

ONLY 2 MANA AND YOU CAN USE A SPELL THAT'S ACTUALLY 0 MANA FOR PRIEST TO MAKE YOUR ANCIENT WATCHER ATTACK AND DRAW A CARD!

ISN'T THAT FANTASTIC

HAHAHAHAHA

>>150812714
It keeps priests alive to extend their suffering.

>>150812707
>3 mana 3/4
>lock n load synergy
Seems auto include for Yogg Hunter

these cards are shit but the solo adventures are always incredibly fun

damn you blizzard

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4 MANA
7
7
!

>>150812714
Someone suggested a Shadowform deck. Otherwise there's no point in them printing this because healing face means nothing and we already have a 4 mana 3/6

>>150812776
>He is LITERALLY shilling this adventure

Holy fuck, neck yourself.

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>Another 4 months of Miracle Rogue with nothing else in sight

>>150812386
>>150812631
>>150812806
>Priest players aren't autistic, I swear
pathetic

>>150812786
One of those classes has good secrets, the other doesnt.

I bet you think entomb is overpowered just because recycle exists.

Shieldbearers are out in full force today.

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Thoughts?

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>>150812714

I was certain that holy waifu would be good at some point, but it never happened

>>150812786
That's not enough to make the card insane, just better than Kirin Tor. Hunters already didn't run a 3/4 for 3, and their 3 slot is pretty crowded. This will almost certainly see play, but I doubt it will be crazy good. I guess it can be disgusting with Yogg if you get some lucky random Hunter cards.

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I made a chart where you can put your ratings.

>>150812920
broken beyond belief

>>150812905
What makes you think that?

>>150812631
>WHO THE HELL EVEN BUILDS DECKS WITH MURLOCS, BEASTS, AND DRAGONS? FUCK IF WE KNOW.

Yeah, why'd they print C'thun when no one plays C'thun decks? It's not like printing new cards creates new possibile archetypes to play (at least if you're priest)

>>150812905
>another 4 months of priestfags crying and bitching about their stupid class

>>150812714
Yogg Priest.

>>150812924
Holy Champion is good. It's great, actually. It's just that Priest keeps getting shoehorned to play Control and nothing but Control.

>>150812806
>purify moat lurker
jesus christ

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You have been visited by the angry gnome of shooting and card advantage.

Easy Wins and zero mana secrets will come your way, but only if you reply "Huntress is best card" in this thread.

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AND YOU GUYS COMPLAINED ALSO ABOUT HOW PALADIN WAS SO SHITTY AND ONLY HAD 1 VIABLE DECK, WELL GUESS WHAT, WE'RE GONNA FORCE YOU TO USE DRAGONS TO BRING BACK MIDRANGE PALADIN!

ALL THE WHILE WHIPING THE ENTIRE DRAGON ADVENTURE FROM YOUR HANDS IN LESS THAN 7 MONTHS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

DID YOU THINK DRUID DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VIABLE DECKS? WELL WE'RE GONNA SHOVE BEAST DRUID DOWN YOUR DAMN THROAT AND FORCE IT TO EXIST WITH A BROKEN 6 DROP

AHAHHAHAHAHAHA

ISN'T HEARTHSTONE FUN

>>150812958
1- 5 or 1 - 10?

almost done with the legends campaign lads, purify has sold me on this

>>150812958
nice work

>>150812885
Now imagine that the silence replaced itself in his hand and wasn't a wasted deckslot. Purify isn't that bad.

>>150812908
>One of those classes has good secrets
Yeah, it's hunter

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>LOE
>Geat expansion with tons of playable cards
>4/5 Legos are still played everywhere

>Karazhan
>pic

And here i hoped LoE raised the bar for blizzard but no, we are in for the same shittery

>>150812920

I hope you meant "other minions"

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>people actually think Purify is a bad card
>people actually think there is such thing as a bad card
You're getting memed by streamers who make exaggerated kneejerk reactions to entertain their viewers.

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>Yung Woo is a head designer of cards
>Literally calls himself a priest player
>Brings out this dog shit

What the fuck.

>>150812269
kek

>>150813124
>And here i hoped LoE raised the bar for blizzard

The Hearthstone had nothing to do with LoE, it was the WoW TCg devs who made it, actually.

You can expect content with the same quality as TGT and Kara in the future.

>>150812958
post em boys

>>150813106
Hunter has good secret, singular.

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>mfw karazhan is hot garbage

>>150813154
It's useless in arena and that's where most people's heads are at.

>>150813194
Yeah, why would he ever print a bad card for priest? Everyone should get 4 mana 7/7s, that would make Hearthstone much more fun and interesting.

>>150813316
Nice projection

>>150813241
>it was the WoW TCg devs who made it

wow, really? Any source on that? All hope is lost then

>>150813316
Every card in HS should be a 4 mana 7/7. Think about it, the game would be perfectly balanced AND every class would be tier 1.

>>150812842
That combo is bad for the same reason priest is bad except worse since theirs is just a 2 card dependency

Look at it this way you want to play at least 2 secrets for lock n load to even see value but want even more to abuse the hell out of it. But you are playing hunter which means you also want to have a turn 1 fiery bat, into turn 2 grandma, into turn 3 bow/companion, into turn 4 wolf or houndmaster.

So of the 8 or 10 cards you have in your hand on turn 5 that's 4 of them and of the remaining cards you want lockn load, huntress, and 2-4 secrets and that is the absolute best case scenario most of the time you'll end up in the priest position of sitting on a bunch of combo pieces without the latter half because if you play lock n load without the huntress it's horribly inneficient and if you play huntress without lock you are gonna dump your hand and hunter has no actual card draw just Elekk and Quick shot neither of which work more than half the time

>>150813301
>priest shitter can't calm down

>>150813241
Wait what?

>>150813265
Freezing, bear, snake, explosive are all decent choices. Also the huntress doesn't die to fiery waraxe

>>150813154

>Implying HS has even a hundreth of the depth needed for johnny hidden gems and combos.

>>150813149

Oh, right yeah. Everyone but the smoke veil itself.

>>150812972

Not really.

>>150812958
>>150812958
>>150812958
>>150812958
>>150812958
Bumping this

>>150813432
freezing is the only truly good hunter secret and 3/4s die to warrior like its nothing. have you tried to play totem golem against them?

>>150813582
With that incorrect card text, yes, yes it is.

i have 980 gold right now, will I be able to get enough to buy the entire expansion within the first week?

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Constructed

>>150813770

I'm sorry. With proper text, how is it.

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>>150812958
out of 10

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Hearthstone is a digital card game. That means Blizzard can change any card at a moment's notice, without needing to re-print a bunch of cards.

THEREFORE

Why can't Blizzard just:

- Reduce the cost of Purify to 1 mana and make it target any minion
- Make the 4 mana 3/6 into a 3 mana 3/4 or 3 mana 2/5 Taunt
- Make the 5 mana 3/4 into a 4 mana 3/4 or 5 mana 3/5 Taunt

Right now. Before release. Given the entire community's reaction, both casual players and pros, why can't they just make some changes to the card's stats/costs now? It's just some numbers in a computer isn't it? Wouldn't it take seconds to make these changes?

If they changed the cards they'd get a ton of good PR and quell the riots. If they don't they'll get months of shitposting and bad PR.

So why won't they just change the cards? Why do they refuse to ever change anything?

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Make sure you let your opinions be heard in the Karazhan Predictions Poll!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfim_YnebK_l4FsSAAGuwQQ3VBBdIv5zQ547__87KIhgwr1sQ/viewform

>>150813870

Still busted if you get two.

>>150813905
Literally only to save face.

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Here's a card that's objectively worse than Purify. Why did nobody lose their shit over this one?

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Rate my Ratings. Props to anon that made this
Rating is constructed 1 through 5

>>150813124
>4/5 Legos are still played everywhere

you dont have to lie to prop up a decent adventure

>>150813783
The Warden has got to be better than Moonglade Portal. I suppose you have to run a somewhat weak archtype to make use of the Warden, but it's still by far the better card and could make Beast Druid a thing pretty much by itself.

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>>150812958
I'm a simple man with a simple system.

(Yes I used emojis cause I'm too lazy to type anything)

This is thinking from a high constructed standpoint with no thinking of Arena.

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>>150812958
>>150813634
fixed

>>150813986
This is a legit card, purify isn't

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>>150812958

>>150813986

Because that at least has meme potential, plus it's an epic so it won't fuck up arena drafts. Purify is a straight up worse version of silence.

>>150813990
>>150813890
>>150813783

>>150812958
continuing to bump

>>150813513
"One step at a time."

The problem with Purify is simply that it's one out of only three (3) priest cards in the entire set, which is part of the bigger problem that Blizzard doesn't release enough cards in general. Blizzard releases so few cards that people feel like every single one needs to be core.

Nobody would be getting salty that Purify exists (they'd probably be happy) if it was one out of 15 Priest cards to come out after 3 months.

tl;dr what people should be getting mad at is Blizzard's laziness and jewishness, not the quantifiable power of a card.

>>150813905

Because "Muh Familiarity" "Muh Pretend Digital Paper" and "Muh Design Vision"

>>150813986
Priest was a playable class in TGT

thats an epic in a 100+ card expansion, not a common in a 45 card adventure

Confuse created a (meme) deck with gnomish infantry. It was a card that was actually played.

Confuse has an actually neat effect, whereas purify does nothing new and is just a combination of two much better cards.

>>150813905
Changing stuff like that means accepting the fact that you made a mistake, that you fucked up.
That is not something i expect from the same company that gave us gems such as:

>you think you do, but you don't.
And
>additional deck slots would confuse players.

>>150813992
I didn't know Brann, Reno, Finley, and Elise are suddenly not in many different competitive decks.

>>150813905
>- Reduce the cost of Purify to 1 mana and make it target any minion
this is the stupidest comment in the entire thread

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Ok, so how do we make Resurrect Priest work?

Deathrattles and Injured Blademaster are all I can think of right now.

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Kripp honestly sounds like he wants to quit Hearthstone

>>150813870
A worse conceal.

>>150814260
>giving Priest a 2-drop
Way too overpowered. I don't get why people take this guy seriously.

>>150814224
We wait for blizzard to confirm that the onyx bishop actually lets you choose the minion that gets resurrected.

Fucking Heroes of the Storm, Blizzard's stillborn moba gets more balance patches than Hearthstone.

In what universe does this make sense?

>>150814224
Kvaldir, Blademaster, Circles, Auchenai, Resurrects, new-Resurrects, general big stuff that doesn't rely on battlecry effects or summon small shit.

Honestly, the new 5-drop does have one noteworthy advantage over Resurrect: You don't have to worry about getting and activating Pyro.

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>>150812958
Thanks for putting this together

>>150814195
It would be Earthshock, except instead of dealing 1 damage you draw a card. Yes that's a good card. Priest needs good cards.

Fuck you.

>>150812958
bump

>>150814260
Wouldn't you want to quit your job?

is Netherspite Historian the best priest card of kara?

>>150814586
Yeah, then BRM rotates out in half a year

:)

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Why is reddit so negative? Don't they love Blizzard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4we0ja/priest_cards_are_garbage_all_were_revealed/

>people honestly thinking Priest will get a push like Shaman did
Casual fucking HATE playing against Priest, because he keeps taking their toys. So they continually whine about the class even when it's shit. Priest will forever be condemned to a joke class from here on out.

>>150814530
>I WANT A 1 MANA CANTRIP WITH HUGE POTENTIAL UPSIDE
you are absolutely clueless

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>>150814742

Because nobody else has broken 1 mana spells, right?

I play midrange hunter with 2x freezing trap 2x bear trap for stalling till my CotW.

I also know 3/4 cards are very powerful by themself (i miss spider tank).

I certainly will put this card into my deck, just dont know what to take out...

>>150814530

1 mana friends only or 2 mana free.

>>150814742
>what is Power Word: Shield

Fine, make it a 2 mana "Silence a minion, Draw a card" or a 0 mana "Silence a friendly minion, Draw a card".

The friendly version could be 1 mana if you don't mind Priest still being shit tier.

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>>150813038
>IN LESS THAN 7 MONTHS
I pity anyone still playing by then.

>>150814867
>what is Power Word: Shield
Regarded by many pros as the best spell in the entire game.

>>150814742
Priest already has that, it's called Power Word: Shield. Cantrip is valued at 1.5-2 mana, so if you restrict a 0 mana card and add cantrip to it it should be <2 mana.

>>150812958
If Wicked Witchdoctor doesn't say "Oo ee oo a aa" in some way I'll be mad

>>150814834
>I don't know what makes a 1 mana cantrip special: the post.
>>150814867
>now I want a 0 mana cantrip
you're getting even further from reality

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Holy shit.

Based on my experience with Overwatch, I am utterly convinced they send you to the HS dev team if you work at Blizzard and they find out you're fucking retarded and also an asshole.

The Overwatch devs admit when they fucked up. They communicate regularly on the forums. They listen to the community and top players about balance issues.

Hearthstone devs fucking RARELY admit their fuck ups. They are condescending as shit to their playerbase, when they say priest sucks shit we get the response of "UHH WELL ACTUALLY UR ALL JUST SHIT CAUSE WE HAVE A SUPER SEKRIT OP PRIEST DECK ;)))"

When OW put in a new character that character played differently than anything else in the game and filled a few niches that were important like denying healing that no other character did. What the fuck did Hearthstone get for their ADVENTURE, where there are fewer cards which one would assume means higher quality? You get 0 new mechanics, incredibly uncreative legendaries that look like filler shit from a regular expansion (a 1/1 that summons 1/1s, stop the fucking presses, a 5/6 that makes your deck worse) and of course keeping an already bad class even more shit.

Just holy fuck, this level of incompetence is unbelievable. I regret giving any money to this game even if it was the good stuff like LoE, which at this point I'm convinced was developed by a different team than whoever is regularly running this game.

>>150812958
put this in the next OP

>>150814931
Please link to these testimonies.

Every adventure has had 1 absurd meta defining card.

Undertaker

Grim Patron

Tunnel Trogg

What will Kara's be?

Good night /hsg/ I'm gonna cry myself to sleep.

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OFFICIAL LIST OF PRIEST CARDS OR CARDS THAT PRIESTS USE THAT THEY'RE LOSING COME THE PURGE OF BRM. LOE, AND TGT

>Flash Heal
>Justicar Trueheart
>Excavated Evil
>Entomb
>Elise Starseeker
>Twilight Guardian
>Blackwing Corrupter
>Twilight Whelp
>Wyrmrest Agent
>Chillmaw
>Museum Curator
>Confessor Paletress
>Nefarian
>Blackwing Technician

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I hope Yong Woo gets fucking fired for saying shit on stream. Fucking incompetent shitlord. Fuck him, Fuck Brode, Fuck Iksar, Fuck Realz for being a fucking sack of shit and going along with cards like purify are ok to release. Fuck Eric Dodds and his autistic pedo laugh and loving RNG. Fuck Mike Donais and his flannel shirts and designing 80% complete shit cards every set release.
And last of all Fuck me for putting faith into this terrible disgusting cancer pathetic company

>>150815073

Uninstall Wizard

>>150815073
>tunnel trog
>meta defining
yea no just a strong early game card. Karazhan has the Hunter trap and the 3/4 hunter thats pretty much it

>>150815073
netherspite

Dragon Warrior, Paladin and hopefully Priest will be nuts

>>150814867
>0 mana... "Draw a card"
Don't ever design a card game.

>>150815098
Losing Flash Heal, Justicar, Entomb, and somehow Excavated Evil will absolutely cripple priest.

>>150814867
>0 mana "Silence a friendly minion, Draw a card".
would be played in literally every deck possible. Make a deck a 28 card deck is no joke.

>>150815156
This entire post is wrong

>>150815098
Except for Justicar, none of these even hurt that much, because Priest is already free wins tier. Losing Sludge Belcher and Lightbomb was the point where Priest died.

>>150815230
Cutting off the limbs of a dead man does not count as "crippling"

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I think I really have something here. How do I go about applying for the position of lead Hearthstone dev?

>>150815196
Street wraith, gitaxian probe

>>150815291
>Losing Deathlord and Lightbomb*

Fixed that for you m8y

>>150815265
>a 4/2 stealth for 2 sometimes zero mana is bad
>a card that lets you vomit traps is bad
Double cultmaster and go ham frendo

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Talking about 0 mana cantrips, would this be balanced?

Compare to shadowstep.

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>>150815196

stay jelly

>>150814867
A 0 mana cycle is already overpowered, silence friendly minion barely inhibits its ability to cycle and offers a powerful (yes powerful) utility on top of that. Having that as a 0 mana card is laughable. 1 mana is still very powerful, but there's fair argument to be made that Priest needs powerful cards right now. 2 mana is just a little too conservative, the difference between 1 mana and 2 is simply massive.

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>>150812958
Thanks dude. Here's mine.

Bare in mind, I marked the class cards slightly higher rather than giving them their own separate scale.

>>150814742
Priest is the worst class is the game by a wide margin and has no respectable early game, but you're right a cantrip for 1 mana is way too good. We need to make sure they stay in the gutter with Purify.

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>cards revealed
>no flamewreath spell or secret

YOU HAD ONE JOB BLIZZARD

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>>150812958
Objective ratings coming through

>>150815313
they still cost life. Probe is dope and wrait is cool in some budget deck or that cascade shenanigan deck, living end I think?

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>>150815302
Just send this in with your resume, you'll get the job in no time. Make sure you give a firm handshake.

>>150815291
Entomb is a pretty big deal

>kripp thinks muster for dragons isn't good

>>150815007
>>150815196
>>150815254
the card is only playable if you have a minion you can cast it on - it's not a "true" cantrip like, say, Flare because it's dead in your hand if you have no minion

silencing a friendly minion is 99% of the time a downside (unless you're playing a janky watcher/statue deck which will never work) - so you're paying the cost of the minion's ability in order to draw a card (e.g. losing northshire's text, auchenai's text, or any of the other minions a priest would run)

OTK combo decks would also have trouble using this card - the best you could hope for is to cast this on a novice engineer or azure drake since you can't cast it on your hoarders/acolytes/etc

i agree that it's busted at 0 mana, but that's what Priest needs right now

(also making it 0 mana was Kripp's idea first)

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>tfw of all developers, BETHESDA managed to do Hearthstone better than Blizzard ever could

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I can't stop laughing at this card.

Priests were the last class to get any of their cards revealed. Priests were hoping to get something to save them from being by far the worst class in the game. They watched the stream in giddy anticipation and then, Ben takes a steaming shit all over their chest. This card is just hilariously fucking terrible, like it was designed to be laughed at

>>150815346
The Beast trap is definitely mediocre, could see play in Yogg decks maybe. The 3/4 is great but I seriously doubt it will be meta-defining based on the fact that you need to have the secrets in your hand as a class that doesn't know how to draw cards. Still, 3/4 + Freezing Trap is an incredibly powerful play on 3.

I wonder if Yung Woo will kill himself after reddit witch hunts him

>>150815546
>something that summons an extra 1/1 than Razorfen Hunter that needs to meet a requirement is good

>>150815394
I'm absolutely retarded, I missed a whole part.
From top to bottom, it's
>6
>2
>7
>4

>>150815605
This whole adventure seems like an experiment to find out how low their player numbers can go.
Just like they did with WoW.

>>150815641
>something that has 1 more health than spider tank and needs to meet a requirement is good

yea, even getting 1 extra stat above curve is pretty good.

Especially when now there's a lot of shit that buffs dragons this expansion

>>150815576
EYYY YO. how do i get into that? Doesnt anyone here have an invite?

What do you guys think about this deck?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/549254-legend-39-pirate-tempo

I just unpacked greenskin and this is basically the only deck that uses him

>>150815743
It's open beta. Just google tes legends and download it

>>150815384
>offers a powerful (yes powerful) utility on top of that.

Silencing a friendly minion is a powerful utility? Do you think we'll actually be playing fucking Ancient Watcher Meme Priest?

The ONLY minion in a standard Priest deck that you want to silence is Barnes' 1/1. The ONLY debuff you would want to silence would be Paladin Humilty effects, but Paladin is dead.

Silencing a friendly minion is nothing but a downside.

>>150815770
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>150815770
I didn't play much WoW, so I've no idea who Anduin is outside of Hearthstone. But isn't he meant to be in his early 20's? He has the sideburns of a 40 year old.

The meta-"defining" card of ONiK is gonna be Enchanted Raven simply because it's gonna make Beast Druid a thing. Not the topdog or anything, but it allows for it to exist, which is gonna change the meta.

>>150815897
Uh.

It's a 1 mana 2/2 do nothing, it's not meta defining even in the slightest

>karazhan will change nothing
>maybe makes beast druid viable
>at least 6 more months of FOR THE LIFEBINDER

>>150815836
He's the son of Varian Wrynn, king of humanity and The Alliance. Anduin is the prince, and may be king soon determining if Varian is dead in Legion or not. Not sure on that one really.

>>150815897
Enchanted Raven is a meme. The real game changer is arcane giant

>>150815576
>card variety is complete shit, 90% of the cards in the game are variants of "gain +X/+X if you meet Y (often RNG-based) criteria
>snowball mechanics out the ass, yet the game actively punishes players for damaging the opponent, turning every match into a race for board control followed by massing bonuses and grinding the already-helpless opponent out over the course of multiple turns
>not a single interesting or entertaining character or card effect
>prophesy LMAO RANDOM CHANCE YOU/THE OPPONENT GET TO PLAY 4+ MANA CARDS FOR FREE DURING EITHER TURN

TESL has maybe 2 good ideas but everything else about it is trash. Shadowverse is better.

>>150815836
He's a little kid

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>>150815574
>Some fucking retarded scrubs actually believe this

Are you aware that part of the reason silence isn't being played much right now is because a lot of the time it does jack shit? Off the top of my head, priest could play museum curator, injured blademaster, that alchemist healing thing, Beckoner of evil, flame juggler and more, then play 0 cost cantrip for absolutely 0 downside. You can also play it on a minion that you're about to trade that won't suffer much longer from being silenced anyway and still get your free card. You can even trade your piloted shredder or similar minion, then silence whatever minion that probably doesn't have text on it anyway that happens to pop out of it and still draw your card.

>>150815965
Beast Druid has already reached high legend.

You play Violet Teacher midrange druid with beasts.

It's a deck that didn't need help, druid didn't even need help in general.

>>150815812
>peacekeeper isn't a thing
>freeze isn't a thing
>ragnaros isn't a thing
t. angry chicken

>>150816000
Still better than coinflipstone

>>150815935
That's why I put the quotes around defining. It's not gonna be the marquee card of the format, but the only card in the expansion that's gonna lead to a major change in the meta. Every other card revealed is gonna go in decks that already exist and maybe tilt the power distribution slightly (I doubt it). Raven actually allows for a new deck type to exist.

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>>150816079
>superior UNIVERSAL silence played in Priest ever
>calling anyone a chicken

>>150815356
should be 2 mana

>>150816170
Beast Druid has existed for years (remember druid of the fang?)

It's just dogshit and only got the real synergy it needed in Whispers.

That doesn't mean much when Token Druid is still very much aids

>>150816157
I wouldn't know, I don't actively play HS anymore. I just check to see if the newest set is addressing anything.

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>>150812958
Not all Greens and Yellows are created equal, but the Reds are definitely shit

>>150816079

You know priests already have a silence card they can use for that, that is OBJECTIVELY a better card and still isn't played?

>>150816179
Silence doesn't draw a card. Nobody plays Wisp yet 1/2 Novice Engineer was so OP it had to be nerfed to 1/1. For 2 mana.

>>150816323
>0 mana do nothing to the board
>better than a 1 mana cycle
lol no

>>150816228
>Beast Druid has existed for years
No it hasn't. Not in the meta sense. That's like saying OTK Priest has existed for years. Just because you can put a shitty version of a deck together doesn't make it part of the meta.

>>150816037
again, what's the problem? it's a 0 mana combo card that can only be played on battlecry/about-to-die minions to draw a card (while it's dead if you have no minions or has a downside if you have a deathrattle/power minion)

you're acting like not letting you draw a card for 0 mana is some cardinal rule of card game design that cannot be broken, ever

how about instead of talking about design theory, you think about the real world: do you actually think this would make Priest some uber broken tier 1 class if it existed? because it clearly wouldn't

>>150816347
Novice Engineer isn't shooting you in the foot when you play it, nor does it require you to.

Bodies attached to spell effects are almost always going to be stronger than spells

>>150816347
Which was during a time where a 1/2 actually did something. 1/2 engineer wouldn't even see play nowadays.

>>150815574
Yeah, losing the text on Museum Curator, Injured Blademaster, or Darkshire Alchemist would be terrible. What the hell was Blizzard thinking?

>>150816479
>draw a card for 0 mana
28 card deck

I always knew that Blizzard would print stuff that would eventually kill Hearthstone

but color me surprised they did the opposite of what I thought they would do, print absolute trash instead of broken shit.

>>150816553
It wouldn't be played in literally every deck like it used to be, but it would be some number of good decks.

>>150816537
>Bodies attached to spell effects are almost always going to be stronger than spells
Arcane Shot vs Shiv

>>150811997
>doesn't draw the cards
It's not Mysterious Challenger.

>>150816636
I'm starting to miss naxx and gvg.
Might go play wild next month

>>150816602
not that guy but it costs two mana to cycle. if i'm silencing something that does not benefit me beyond cycling the card, why would i not just play novice engineer or loot hoarder?

>>150816602

>play a 2 mana do nothing cycle
>when you can play a 1 mana 2 health buff cycle

If you want a silence, Silence is better
If you want a cycle, PW:S is better.

>>150816479
It IS a rule. Every card they've ever printed that draws a card for 1 mana has been nerfed or removed from the game because they were overpowered and there was no reason not to use them.

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>>150812958

Got the 80 gold quest, who wants it. NA

>>150816689
Which? Except for combo decks that already play it, because they don't give a shit about the stats?

>>150816754
then post your battletag, DUH

>>150816615
again, what's the problem? so Priest has a (situational) 28 card deck vs other classes having a 30 card deck

do you think that would make Priest uber broken tier 1 or would it still be in the same shitty situation it's already in?

stop spouting theory bullshit and talk about the real world

>>150816806
>stop spouting theory bullshit and talk about the real world
I am, give any class a 0 mana: draw a card spell and you INSTANTLY have all their decks be 28 cards. what dont you understand?

>>150816636
>I always knew that Blizzard would print stuff that would eventually kill Hearthstone
You're right about the first part. They're just actively killing anyone's interest in the game by being as cautious as possible with trying to make sure most cards are just bad enough to not see play over the 5% that already does.

Instead of bending us over the barrel with power creep and forcing us to keep up with expacs (like most publishers), they're like a limp-dicked virgin just leaving us unsatisfied and looking for better alternatives

>>150816731
There's a mana cost between 0 and 2 you know. The person I'm responding to is literally trying to claim the """""downside""""" of purify means it should cost 0 mana.

>>150816749
>It IS a rule. Every card they've ever printed that draws a card for 1 mana has been nerfed or removed from the game because they were overpowered and there was no reason not to use them.

Power Word: Shield

(now someone reply to me saying how PW:S is the most broken spell in the game, yet Priest is still total trash somehow despite "breaking the rule")

>>150816896
the only problem with power word shield is that its a priest card, in any other class it would be good

>>150816789
I figure the anon who wants it would post their battletag. If I post mine I might get a bunch of friend requests from people wanting the gold, but there's nothing to gain from adding the random anon so they probably wouldn't have the same issue.

>>150816732
Yeah just run 4 copies of PWS or Silence. Oh wait.

>>150816896
Why is it so hard for the faggots in this thread to comprehend the fact that a deck is composed from 30 cards of which you can only have two (and sometimes 1) copies max?

>>150816860
No, you're still just saying "Priest decks would be 28 cards". I want you to explain why "Priest decks would be 28 cards" is a bad thing.

Is it because it's an auto-include? Fiery Waraxe is a similar auto-include, effectively leaving Warrior with 28 other cards to pick every time.

Is it because Priest can draw their deck more effectively? Isn't that just buffing Priest while they're shit right now?

Explain why a 28 card Priest deck is a fundamentally bad thing.

>>150816732
A better equivalent is if you want cycle novice engineer is better. I'd value a 1/1 higher than silencing your own minion.

They made a class adventure card that is flat out worse than a basic neutral card.

>>150816948
So the only problem with a 0 mana "Silence friendly + Draw" card would be it being a Priest card?

Great. Make it a Priest card.

>>150815156
> just a strong early game card.

It was the centerpiece that made Shaman a real deck. Shaman used to be what Priest is now, then suddenly it got Tunnel Trogg and became a Tier 1 deck that outfaced Face Hunter.

>>150817017
Fiery Waraxe cycles for 0 mana?

>unrestricted silence on it's own costs 0
>cycle on it's own costs 0

>combine them
>make the silence worse

>it now costs 2, considerably more than the parts that make it up

>But now you get to save two cards in your deck!

I bet if you went and combined two cards for any other class, one of them being worse version of a card already not played and added a significant mana cost increase nobody would play that shit either.

>>150816000
>the game actively punishes players for damaging the opponent, turning every match into a race for board
That doesn't sound like a bad thing.
>Shadowverse
Kek.

>>150817094
But if Priest gets good then they can't have the 1 mana cantrip anymore. A 0 mana cantrip would make them good.

>>150817207
Are you retarded? I listed Fiery Waraxe as an example of an auto-include card, not a cycle card.

I'm asking WHY a 28 card deck (via 0 mana Silence + Draw) would be bad. The only reasons I could think of are "auto-includes are bad" (see: Fiery Waraxe) and "cycle for 0 is overpowered" (see: Priest is total shit right now, they need something overpowered).

Man. I saved up 2800 gold for this?
There are next to no really cool cards.

>>150817260
>cycle on it's own costs 0
Arcane Shot vs Shiv
Wisp vs Novice Engineer
Gnome Engineer vs any average 3-drop

Cycle is worth 1.5 mana minimum. Blizzard went conservative and rounded up to 2, but Priest needed it to be 1 because of their card/hero power quality. Anyone claiming it should be 0 simply has no idea what Hearthstone's card values are.

>>150817260
>cycle on it's own costs 0
since when?

>>150817367
then don't fucking buy it.

>>150817320
Your chain is being yanked my friend.

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>>150812958
rate my ratings

>>150817320
Auto-include isn't the same thing as having a smaller deck. What are you smoking?

>>150816896
You should have lobbied for them to nerf PW:S to 2 mana so they wouldn't be so scared of printing more cheap cantrips for you.

>>150817367
Hey, you only need to spend half of that to get Barnes

>Play Eerie Statue for 4 mana
>Play Purify for 2 mana
>have a 7/7 for 4 mana and 2 overload

Priest literally got a 4 mana 7/7 too and you're still complaining, there is no pleasing you.

>>150817491
4/10. I'd guess that you've played the game for less than a month.

>>150817017
Do you play magic at all? We wouldn't have this conversation.

But basically what you are saying is that, since priest is shit, its ok if it gets to play 28 cards deck (a more tin deck = better odds of drawing what you want, better chances of seeing each cards). Its a terrible design philosophy to allow this.

>>150817532
it's not overload if you pay the mana upfront

>>150817532
>play eerie statue
>don't draw purify
>lose
Thanks Ben

>>150817532
>Don't draw both cards with perfect timing
>die

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>hoping the weapon from deadly fork is a fiery war axe
>its an eaglehorn bow

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>>150817320
He's been avoiding your question for about the entirety of this thread, and you're STILL REPLYING to him.
How many more hours till you get the hint, retard?

>>150817493
Why would Priest having a smaller deck be bad for the game?

>>150817440
Yeah, probably, but I like arguing.

>>150817625
You play statue on turn four, purify on turn 5. That's exactly the same as 4 mana overload 2.

>>150817635
>sunfury
>defender of argus

>>150817582
Why is gitaxian probe not in every deck?

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>>150817582

>Its a terrible design philosophy to allow this

not a very strong argument considering what game we're talking about

>>150817668
>Why would Priest having a smaller deck be bad for the game?
THIS IS TERRIBLE CARD GAME DESIGN YOU MONGLOID.
>this class is allowed to have a greater % of seeing its card on time just because, and at no cost.

>>150817707
because it costs 10% of your life
fucking terrible

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>>150815043

The main designer used to be a pizza delivery boy before getting to be main designer. Dont ask me how, i have no idea.

Supposedly, the most creative cards in the game, the LoE ones, were made by some guy who used to work on the WoW TCG.

Pic related is a small sample of WoWTCG. HS was supposed to be like that, then Team 5 happened.

>>150817679
>taunt the eerie statue
>draw purify
>remove taunt again
Wooow. So this is the power of Priest...

>>150815043
underrated potential pasta

otherwise a lot of truth here

also the completely unasked for BUT YET absolutely underutilized disco, party theme, when most of the cards ended up being some scary weird creature or inanimate objects come to life

they didn't even reprint PimpBot 5000, who would have been so perfect!

>>150817737
>not a very strong argument considering what game we're talking about
this is not how you fix a fucking game
>lol its bad anyways so lets fuck it up even more

>>150817763
You'd use it on one of your other shitty meme cards like watcher or the other eerie statue in your deck. It won't be a tier-1 deck but it's not as bad as everyone seems to think.

>>150817578
Ok.

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>>150817831

>its bad anyways so lets fuck it up even more

now you're getting it

>>150817582
Again, you're appealing to design theory concepts - magic isn't infallible you know (plus Hearthstone is an entirely different game).

>But basically what you are saying is that, since priest is shit, its ok if it gets to play 28 cards deck (a more tin deck = better odds of drawing what you want, better chances of seeing each cards). Its a terrible design philosophy to allow this.

Yes that's what I'm saying. Fuck design philosophy - Priest has been shit for months (and will continue to be shit for months). Give them a 28 card deck for 1 year (before Purify rotates out of standard) if that's what it takes.

(You know I don't really want Purify to be a 0 mana cycle. I want Blizzard to make actual, non-shit, well designed Priest cards. Like a 2 drop and 3 drop. The only reason I proposed making it 0 mana was as a band-aid solution so that Blizzard wouldn't need to design new cards. If Blizzard was competent this wouldn't even be a discussion.)

>>150817758
>Supposedly, the most creative cards in the game, the LoE ones, were made by some guy who used to work on the WoW TCG.
That "pizza delivery boy" also worked on the WoWTCG, from start to finish. You look pretty stupid when you're mindlessly parroting what other people say.

>>150817491
A lot of weird ratings. The Fork is not great, but 0 is just being silly. Same for the Valet, except it's probably better. Ironforge Portal is complete trash. You're really valuing a random card from Swashbuckler highly. In what world is the okay-at-best Illusionist better than Barnes? etc.

>>150817287
>That doesn't sound like a bad thing.
It's the exact same as Hearthstone, they just made the victory lap after taking board longer and more of a chore with extra RNG thrown in for good measure.

>Shadowverse
>Kek.
It has better card variety and less RNG than either RNGstone or Prophesystone, that's for sure.

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>Remove Blade flurry
>"We're gonna fix rogues weapon issues guys dont worry lol"
>3 MANA FIERY WAR AXE THAT'S OBTAINED THROUGH A DEATHRATTLE

>>150818008

Guess which job the pizza delivery boy worked in that company

Spoiler alert: Not as game designer.

>>150818008
It may also be worth noting that he worked at a software company during the day and delivered pizzas at night.

>>150818104
Steal weapons with the burgle effects :^]

>>150817407
Fucking this.

Stop feeding the trolls you idiots.

>Naxx fleshed out Deathrattles (for better or for worse)

>BRM fleshed out dragons


>LoE introduced Discover


>Kara printed a vanilla 2mana 3/2 with taunt

For those wondering why a 28 card deck is bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZDaM4VpSBk

>>150818104
When I first saw Fiery War Fork I assumed it was a 3m 3/2 Deathrattle: Equip a 3/2 weapon.

But it's added to your hand AND it costs 3 mana on top of that? Seriously? I'm just baffled

>>150817997
>Fuck design philosophy
yeah we're done talking here

>>150818361
They expanded the portal theme ;)

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I wasn't browsing /hsg/ when Medivh was announced but what was the consensus on him? Seems pretty gud

>>150818459
He's a meme that's .

>8 mana for a 1/3 weapon that acts as a summoning stone

You need high cost spells to get value out of it also

>>150817668

Because having as little cards while having a functional deck is the proven best formula for ANY deck into any game, and would make it unfair to any other classes?

We are trying to BALANCE the game, not put priest above everyone else.

>>150818459
You'll get Harrison'd before you can make use of the effect. If he becomes popular, there will be no reason not to run Harrison in every deck. It's already a great tech card, and with this he'll be good against more than just three classes.

>>150817997
I am aware, but I play magic since 1999, I know its not perfect but HS is a big fucking joke compared to it design-wise. Proposing what you are proposing is really not healthy at all for the game, and the "lol its blizzard what are you expecting" mindset simply mean that we should find another game.

>>150818459
Literally summoning stone. Isnt worthy of being a legendary effect, much less the final legendary of the adventure. The staff should have a different effect for each durability.

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They simply have no fucking idea what they want to with Priest. The keep releasing 2-3 cards to support a certain theme and then scrap it/forget about it. And the cardpool gets worse and worse and less consistent for it, making Priest the only class to ever be unplayable in both Arena and Constructed.

>>150818383
>1h50min video
Do you really expect us to watch all of that?

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WHAT IS THIS ADVENTURE

THIS IS WORSE THAN THE GRAND DUSTING

AT LEAST THE GRAND DUSTING HELPED CONTROL DECKS A LITTLE BIT IN SOME SENSE

ARE THEY LAUGHING THEMSELVES TO THE BANK? ARE THEY PROUD OF THEMSELVES?

95% OF THESE CARDS ARE LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE IN A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE FORMAT

Is Yogg Hunter with le sikret lady and Arcane Golems the new face of cancer?
Think about it.
>You have free sekrits
>You ain't gonna run out of steam because you'll do your miracle-secret turn during a LnL turn
>Almost all your deck is spells so your Giants will be 0 mana by turn 5 or so

Is this retarded or it will actually be a thing?

>>150818459

Opens up every class to get put into a museum. Will never be meta as long as Harrison is Classic.

>>150818072
The Fork is not great and competes with one of the best 3 drops in the game, Agent. The weapon it provides won't be good from turn 4 onward, and a 3/2 for 3, even with a weapon(which isn't free) is not mana efficient. There's not really a deck you can place it in, and even in arena there are countless better neutral 3 drops that would be better fits than it.

Valet is the same ship but even worse. Mage has the 2 drop slot filled with the Cthun class card and Apprentice. They are strictly better because they don't require a condition to be effective. Valet is a better version of Raptor just because it has the bonus, but chances of it even activating are so low and late game that it's whatever. In Wild its a much stronger card, with Scientist able to produce the secrets for value, making a 2/3 deal 3 for 2 really great, but I'm not looking at Wild.

I see IP being used in Control decks if they ever gain a better footing in the meta. In Arena I think it's a stronger card because it provides some buffer, but you also have access to more 4 drops such as Shredder. Having the minion be one off tempo is not terrible. In constructed it is really clunky right now but it's closest neighbor was Shieldmaiden and she was auto-include before she was rotated out. Maybe 7 was too high but I don't know if I'd call it trash just yet.

Swashbuckler just opens up Rogue for a new deck archtype which seems really interesting. It allows for pirate synergy alongside random class cards, and now offers more tools to do both or either. Rogue also only runs the deathrattle discover card in the 1 slot for the most part, so having another option there alongside a body(although weak) can help.

Power Overwhelming being a 1cost makes me want to blow my fucking brains out

>>150818643
It's a great video though.

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Is it terminal, doc?

>>150818459
Not a bad card, but too slow in my opinion. Decent body and effect but if you really want any good value you'll need expensive spells and a few turns to get them off.

>>150818694
>1 cost
anon you are aware that the minion dies after?

>>150818459
Super slow, but could provide additional value in spell heavy decks like Yogg decks or Control.
A 7/7 plus 3 Summoning Stone charges isn't terrible, just slow

>>150817997

>fuck design philosophy
>Follow the busted WoW style balancing where the a chosen class get to be ridiculously more powerful than the others till the next balance.

I would call it a bait, but you put effort in your post, so i will assume you are mentally handicapped.

>>150818658
I want hearthbabs to stop trying to use the word miracle

I need 80 gold.Does anyone have a quest of 80 gold? add me : BestMageEU#2304

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daily reminder you should be playing wild

>>150818768
Reminder to everyone to report this faggot. Spamming is against the rules

>>150818783
I will, I miss Nerubian egg and standard is VERY boring right now, and will stay that way for months. fuck

>>150818459

Not good, too slow. only if it was a 7 mana card, i think the full turn preparation for a turn 8 CotW + summon one of the 8 mana card (a very strong curve with rag, tirion, groom...) would be playable.

But as a 8 mana card, nope, just off the curve.

So Chakki and a bunch of HS Pros got together and reviewed all of Karazhan tonight

Here is their collective opinions

Very good tier
>That 6 mana beast druid card that summons a copy
>the 2 mana mage card that pings for 3
>The Curator
>Barnes

Playable
>Book Wyrm
>Enchanted Raven
>Firelands Portal
>Grandma
>Malchezar's Imp

Kind of bad tier
>The ulmintied swings warrior weapon
>The druid portal
>Arcane Giant
>Moat Lurker
>The resurrection priest minion

>Absolute garbage
The rest


Thoughts?

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>>150818750

uhh, how is that any different from what we have now?

>>150818720
I have never played magic, no idea what's happening and I won't spend 2h watching something I'm not interested in.

>>150818743
:^)

>>150818743
t. Gul'dan

>>150818891
>pings for 3
Autism rant: Pinging is a very specific term for dealing 1 damage. You can't ping for 3 unless you mean pinging three times.

>>150818743
:)

>>150818891
Curator is bad. Barnes is retarded cause heavy RNG involved with potential to instant lose for your opponent Book Wyrm is bad so is raven and portal and Malchezars Imp.

>>150818949
its like you dont want things to improve

>>150819026
>Curator is bad

t. person who's never deckbuilt ever

>>150818979
Actually, pinging for 3 would mean you paid 3 mana to ping (deal 1 damage).

>>150819026
Are you an actual shieldbearer?

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Predict priest cards from the next expansion

>>150818658

>Getting lnl, mini-challenger and a lot of secrets in your hand by turn 5 while not dying / losing complete board control.

Good luck with that. I manly play midrange hunter and just barelly can make it work due the lack of card drawn

>>150819026
t. rank 15

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>>150819052

and it's painfully obvious that the dev team doesn't either

>>150815605
They were revealed last cus even blizzard knows the priest cards are absolute shit tier.

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>visit /hsg/ after months of absence since new set
>they are still completely bad at card games
never change /hsg/. Also try to play a real one like Mtg or Netrunner once in a while

>>150818638

>aggro/burn priest

what a shitty idea

>Menagerie Warden
Is this card enough to push beast druid into being a viable deck?

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guesssss

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>>150818783

>Implying i am not.

Took this pic 2 days ago. I love mechs

>>150819254
yes.

It's insane

>>150819056
>>150819119
>>150819142
dont even address me as your equal. I have played card games for 10 years now and i know a shit card when i see one. Casuals playing Hearthstone and forming an opinion on card games piss me off

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>>150819192
then why are you playing?
Why invest time in a game you dont even believe in? Pic related, I just do my dailies in hs and switch to this, and other games.

>>150819120
Way too powerful. Priest kinda needs to be nerfed right now, so please make it "undamaged friendly minion".

>>150819261
Meme'Saron

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>>150819338
>10 years