/4xg/ - Stellaris, Civilization, and 4x General

first for benis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEKRE2uamyg

whoops. I added the civ 6 reveal trailer again but forgot that it adds the title instead of a direct link so I basically put it there twice. I tried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRSbI8NANno
livestream is on youtube now for people that missed it.

>they are deer
I thought it was the icon for those tuber potato things from beyond earth.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn7EJY3R0s8
Why is germany so fucking scary

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>>150565454
also, before people wonder why the ui looks so cramped, its because they had to play at 720p for the livestream. dont know why.

>>150566218
>720
That shit still exists?

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>>150566367
yep, unfortunately

also, in quills new video, he plays with strategic mode for a little bit

Since you have to take one building for your religion, does that mean you're limited to just one?
You can't have the pagoda/mosque/cathedral Byzantine dream?

>>150566789
That looks pretty good, better than civ5's

>>150566789
Looks kind of cluttered if I'm honest

Alhambra
+2 amenities from entertainment
+1 great general point
+1 military policy slot
Provides the same defensive bonus as the fort improvement


This honestly seems good, that's basically one extra policy when you are kind of limited on policies.

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>>150566970
you can zoom in

>>150567271
Specifically I meant the borders looked too raggedy, especially the FoW which is also a bit too thick. Makes it seem messy, if you know what I mean?

>>150567209
Oh, and must be built on hills adjacent to an encampment district.

>>150567416
oh yea, I get what you mean. especially with the fog of war.

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What the h*ck are these things in the water?

What is that one Civ you hate for no reason other than they just rub you the wrong way?

For me it's Poland. Casmir is too damn angry all the time.

>>150568127
Dido always forward settles the shit out of me, builds wonders 1 turn before me and gets uppity if I do anything.

>>150568127
Celts if we're talking CiV
Boudicca throwing a fucking fit every time she's slightly ticked got old fast

>>150568127
Germany
I dont trust Furor Teutonicus

>>150567998
Either some tiles you can work/clear (like the forest but for water tiles) or it's a visual bug.
Either way, it's been heavily stated that nothing streamed or revealed so far reflects the final product and the game is still in development.

>>150564564
Is it worth updating Stellaris to the most recent patch? Some of the changes in the patchnotes got me a little worried about the balance.

>>150568534
I certainly hope so because Petra seems more retarded than it was in civ5.

>>150567416
I assume they did it to make it look "like real borders instead of straight lines" or some bullshit like that

>>150568127
France
>starts doing rapid expansions and shitting on everyone
>suddenly by 1800s or so he's been wiped out
>look at the map when the game ends
>someone else built a city right in the middle of his nation, and he ignored it
>he let the thing grow to have 15-20 pop, then couldn't kill it
>every single game

>>150568845
Yeah and that's all fine but like
That's the strategic view where I don't give a shit about visuals I want raw info

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>>150568997
>Normal view is straight lines
>The info view is ragged
Firaxis is retarded then.

I do like the cartoony look of strategic view more than the dreamworks look of normal view

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>>150567998
It's clearly a Taliyah E. It'll be pretty OP against those scouts.

Hanging Gardens
+15% growth in all cities.
Must be built on a river.


Seems kind of weak desu, it has no yield.

>>150569405
15% is too shit imo
25% or bust

>>150568704
Hey, I liked the Petra. Deserts are the second worst tiles, so rushing Petra helped a lot.

>>150569524
Suddenly with Petra they become one of the best, which is bs

>>150569443
I hope they fix the inconsistency between +% food and +% growth that existed in civ5.

>>150569524
Petra was a trading hub, not some magic fountain of life that turned desert hills into the most inhabitable place in the world.

>>150569687
I think + growth % is actually -% needed to grow
It's a shitty math error that literally every dev seems to forget

Pyramids
+2 culture
receive a free builder
all builders can build +1 improvements
Must be built on flat desert or flood plains

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>sweden declares war on me
>do nothing because theyre sweden
>a few turns later they plead for peace and want to give me one of their cities

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Important poll in honor of the Civ VI stream:

http://www.strawpoll.me/10909722
http://www.strawpoll.me/10909722
http://www.strawpoll.me/10909722

>>150569818
How it works in civ 5 is +%food (aztec watermill, tradition policy and temple of artemis) multiplies all food in your city by that amount.
Say you have 10 food and eat 6 of it and +25% food, you will have 12.5 food.
+% growth, from that religious belief and some other things that escape my mind, only multiply the excess food, not the food that's being eaten.
Say you have 10 food and eat 6 of it and +25% growth, you will only get the bonus to the 4 leftover food so you end up with just 11 food.

>>150570112
Nice meme /int/friend :^)
post some spurdos next

>>150569874
>build Pyramids as Qin by rushing it with Builders
>get 5 charge builders right off the bat

>>150570213
???

>>150570221
Honestly the rushing of wonders with buildings doesn't seem all that potent. I guess it is since it allows you to essentially prebuild wonders.
I was watching someone doing it on Oracle and it only shaved off a turn each time. You would have to be able to 3 turn workers for it to be worth it.

>>150570165
>vote isabella
>it doesn't show up
>try to go back
>you've already voted in the poll
>check results again
>still doesn't show up

>>150570165
theodora best girl
boudicca a shit

>>150570565
>only a turn off each time
Garbage then.
Still I imagine it'd be like,
>Xi'an is building Pyramids
>Luoyang pumps out workers every 6 turns and shaves off 4 turns each time (Qin gets 4 builds)
>build at 167% speed
Then you get permanent +2 charges on all builders, which seems pretty useful seeing as you have almost double the number of uses as anyone else.

>>150570565
The good old days of Civ II caravans... I miss them.

Great Lighthouse
+3 gold
+1 great admiral points
+1 movement for all naval units
Must be built on a coast and adjacent to a harbor district with a lighthouse in it.

Seems like there aren't as many F R E E buildings with wonders. Great Library requires a campus with a library.

>>150570918
>>150570565
Can't you buy Workers anymore? It's better to think of it imo as being able to purchase wonders with a ludicrously high amount of gold.

>>150571267
you can purchase them

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last one lads, i don't have any other ideas

>>150571779
Right so
>build wonder
>purchase builders fucking everywhere
>rush wonder

>>150571793
10/10

Lisbon unique bonus.
Your trade units are immune to being plundered while on water.

One thing I want to see in Civ VI is the ability to commission ships from allied civs.
Like, if you're landlocked, you can pay them a certain amount of gold to build ships for you, so you can still have some sort of navy.

>>150571870
You can't stack builders on the same tile and building something uses all their movement, so you're only shaving one turn off or at most 2 if it's the last build and you move another in its place.

>>150572149
Any city that's within 3 tiles of the coast can build a harbor and then build a navy out of there, so you don't have to be right on the coast, and you can also take control of your allied city states units for a little bit when you're at war.

>>150572246
A turn off EACH TURN.

Colossus
+3 gold
+1 great admiral point
+1 trade route
receive a free trader

must be built on the coast and adjacent to a harbor district

it seems identical to the civ5 colossus sans the admiral point

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>>150570165
>tfw you're the only one who voted Dido

Geneva unique bonus:
Your cities receive 15% extra science while at peace.

I'm really digging these unique city state bonuses. It'll make competition for them in multiplayer much better. Especially since interacting with them seems better than just "here's 1000 gold, you're my ally, I'm declaring war on everyone else in the game now so they can never steal you away from me."

Why do all the leaders look unrealistic

>Hojo Tokimune
literally who, just pick Tojo or Meiji
>only UU is the Samurai
why, why not the fucking zeros or Shimakaze

>Qin Shi Huang
he looks like a child molestor but his choice is reasonable

>Catherine De Medici
literally who but atleast she kinda hot

>Cleopatra
WE
>Chariot Archer is exclusive to Egypt
Why

>Queen Victoria
muh dick
>Seadog
retarded name

>Montezuma
again, really, he looks less threatening than in Civ V

>Pedro
his looks are an insult to the man himself

>Teddy
his looks are an insult to the man himself
>another air UU
>removed the B-51
just give us a tank UU

>Queen Victoria
muh dick

Civ 6 looks like the shitty console version of Civ, Civ Revolution

Are strategic resources like civ 5 in that you can only build X amount where X is equal to the amount of strategic resources you have?
Or are they like civ 5 where once you have access to the resource you can just build as many as you want?

>>150574791
have you seen the op picture? they changed teddy's look completely in recent footage. they'll probably do the same for the other leaders.

>>150575646
They made him look pretty manly

>Cliffs of Dover is another 2 tile natural wonder
neat.

>>150574791
>Shimakaze

Yes, add a one-off prototype that didn't do anything of note before getting sunk in 1944.

>>150575248
reiterate what exactly you mean

>>150575959
But muh loli titties

>>150574791
>Chariot Archer exclusive to Egypt
Yeah no that's retarded. I could understand Scythed Chariot which does AoE damage or something or has a huge bonus against light infantry but no.

>>150564564
I hope they give the rest of the leaders this treatment. Less exaggerated caricature but still keeping in line with the overall style of the game. Looks better polished as well.

>>150564564
Theodore went from looking like ass to looking pretty hot.

>>150573505
>"Bin shum shamma shum"
>"BOOOOHH"

Seriously though, the way she delivers her lines is pretty funny.

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>>150575681
>>150576306
yep. especially since they're the only part of the game thats caricatured, the normal units in the game just look like normal units from civ 4 or something similar. but what they did with teddy was a great beginning, I hope.

>>150570165
>NOBODY votes for Maria I

>>150576995
Why would you? She's known as The Mad Queen for a reason.

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who /minmax/ here?

>>150577091
Is that a military academy? Are they even useful in anyway?

>>150577091
ministry of benevolence, -15% empire ethics divergence :^)

>>150577417
>>150577290

holy fuck brazil seems strong, which is a welcome change from civ5

wow this is pretty dead

>>150579034
t. HUE

>>150579136
He basically gets more great people than everyone else and his districts in the early game give a shit ton more yield from adjacency to rainforest.

>>150579259
I was pointing at 'welcome'.

What is a good way to make Civ 5 fun to play again?

>>150579041
like ur mum after I tore her apart with my dick lmao

>>150579368
Any change from dog shit civs into actual good civs is a welcome change.

>>150579564
>Civ 5 Brazil
>dog shit

>>150579804
I would love to know your definition of dogshit that civ 5 brazil doesn't fit it.

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>download Barbarians Evolved
>one game, due to chance a couple of barbarian camps run amok and completely take over the continent due to incompetent CPU players
>wonder what would happen if I turned on Raging Barbarians
>mfw

how redefine arrows keys for WASD in civ 5? Holy shit why do games not allow changing keys.

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>>150581338

>>150579804
>jungle bias
>unique improvement that comes too late
>unique unit that replaces almost never gets built
>unique ability that's almost useless until the last quarter of the game
It's not Iroquois tier, but it's bad.

>>150581338
DUDE BEARDED MEN FROM THE OCEAN

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Guys what is this?

>>150582462
Tyranids.

>>150581338
>plantations on bananas
I am actually triggered.

>UI looks cramped on lower than 1080p
>Going to be stuck on a laptop with a 720p resolution for 2 months after it releases
I hope they add UI scaling

>>150582462
It's the endgame crisis. Sieze all activity build more ships. Ships with point defence and anti-armour damage.

Something just occurred to me. Civ VI America gets a combat bonus on its home continent and Teddy doesn't like other people that start wars on his continent.

>Start game
>Meet Monty, he's right next door
>Meet America, he's on the other side of Monty
>Monty declares war on you
>Teddy is pissed
>Teddy declares war on Monty, same continent combat bonus lets him thrash the Aztecs
>You benefit from peace to build up and become a superpower

TEAM AMERICA, WORLD POLICE, YEEEEAH!

>>150583304
NuMonty's a piece of shit, passives suck outside of the early game UU.

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>>150581338

>>150582107
>Infantry replacement almost never gets built
Not him, but is the pro-stat to delete your Riflemen or something? I'm aware bazookas and tanks are better than Infantry, but Infantry isn't bad, is it?

>>150584386
The pro strat is to use cavalry/landships/tanks or paratroopers/xcom as capture units and do the bulk of your fighting with bombers.

>city states can spawn within 6 tiles of your capital spawn and take your capital's tiles

So it doesn't take any extra movement to cross a river, but you need to have all of your movement points to attempt it?

>>150585389
If you're talking about Civ V, unless you fucked with something that should be impossible. IIRC, Civ V's map creating has a system that puts city states at least 7 tiles away from civs

>>150586027
Civ6

>>150586134
Sorry, I wasn't awake to watch the stream. Why are they doing it now when Civ V prevented it?

Wait, where's the footage of new Teddy from? Did I miss something?

In civ 5, the senarcios aren't updated with each DLC, right?

That is, a senarcio that came out before G&K and BNW won't have religion or trade routes, correct?

Is there a mod that updates all of them

>>150586201
I don't know, maybe it's just an issue with the current map script and it will be fixed on release, but it's kind of shit.

>>150585871
it takes 2 movement points, like in civ 5. same with going up hills, forests, jungles, etc. so if you only have one movement point, it wont cross that terrain, you'll have to wait until the next turn.
>>150586201
its probably just something they need to iron out, I doubt it was a conscious decision.
>>150586231
an embargo lifted for youtubers to post a metric shitload of their own footage when they got to play civ 6 last month. the footage is a month old (so who knows what changes have happened since then) and shows an updated, less caricatured teddy. its shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3djGPOn4GY&t=18m15s for example

>>150586231
Live stream today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRSbI8NANno

Also there's a bunch of information that's come out today released from an event last week.
Any major youtuber/streamer or news site/magazine released their stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_2uYOguayE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3djGPOn4GY
https://www.twitchtv/filthyrobot/v/81531845

>>150586528
Moving over a river kills all movement points unless you have ignore terrain cost for anything.

>>150581338
Why the fuck don't I ever get comfy maps?
Map type and size.
Now, anon.
Maybe I just need to do archipelago on huge but only 8 civs.

>>150587689
>you end up with an 8 tile island and a city state blocks your nearest expand

>>150581338
This reminds me of something

>playing some Mediterranean map
>giving the huns a try, make sure one of the AIs is on Rome
>Raging Barbarians on
>spawn in some isolated desert on the edge of a forest
>"huh, this kind of sucks. I guess I'm in north africa?"
>get a scout out to go find a place for a production city
>suddenly barbarians
>warrior backed into the city to heal, because even as a blocker with the city attack he's getting worn down
>start pumping out warriors
>meanwhile the scout found ruins and turned into a battering ram, because lol huns
>barbarian archers are wearing my warriors down too fast, and multiple means they're not safe in the city
>trying to hide some in the forest as best I can
>they're still dying too fast, so I keep the battering ram around as a super blocker
>starting to make headway against the barbs, scout found a good spot for an expand, get a settler out and do so
>at this point there are no less than a dozen barbarians roving around, and tomahawks are starting to spawn
>rushing spearmen as fast as I can
>barbs get spearmen first
>my warriors can't hold, lose secure link between two settlements
>had an admittedly good idea to get more battering rams out because nothing can hurt them and they let my warriors take the backline for a little to heal
>all the while happiness and wealth has been ticking down
>hoping I can build up enough of an army to break out and kill the camps spawning the horde
>can't
>lolnogold RIP units
>quit out because someone hit renaissance while I can't handle barbarians

>>150589775
The GOTHIC HORDE

>>150589775
>can't git gud
>ragequit
You're French, aren't you?

>>150590147
t. Jew
>dude we can't beat the Romans
>so let's keep stirring shit over and over and over and over and over

>>150590581
>t.
/gsg/ called, they want their memes back.

>>150590707
That's an /int/ meme you thickheaded git

>>150590826
If that was the case, then why do I see it on /gsg/?
Checkmate, atheist.

>>150590826
Isn't that an ylilauta meme actually?

>>150590826
>meme
Isn't it actually just a part of language? Like how a letter may include a post-script, a "P.S.", Finnish letters end with "t. [name]" because "t." is an accepted shortening of their equivalent to "Signed, [name]" or "From, [name]" etc.?

>>150591831
Terveiset doesn't mean Signed or from, it's just that gsg's way of using it
It's closest translation is "Regards" I think

>>150591920
Well, "Regard, Michael Smith" is a legit way of closing a letter

>>150589775
You could have stopped at >"... Mediterranean map"
That map... That map is something else. 7 sheep, 7 salt, 7 wine, 7 sugar on the nile. You name it.
Also shit loads of barbs.
Protip. Play the Shoshone and spawn somewhere in North Africa. You'll have 8 pop in a couple of dozen turns.

>Cliffs of Dover

>Two tile natural wonder. It appears with cliffs adjacent to water and provides +3 Culture and +2 gold

>The discovery of a natural wonder gives Scouts bonus experience. Natural wonders also give an adjacency bonus to Holy Site districts. All adjacent tiles receive +2 Appeal

So, should I be building spaceports on all planets I colonize?

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Realistically, what are the odds of Civ 6 getting ported to consoles?

>>150593581
They said XCOM 2 wouldn't be on consoles but still ported it, right? They will probably do the same

I wouldn't be surprised it they ported it to even mobile

>>150593581
I imagine Microlimpcock would want to port as much shit as possible to XBone. Weren't they doing something where they'd reprogram it to be able to run windows games?

>>150594101
Microsoft has almost abandoned the Xbone. No exclusives at all.

>>150594434
Well good for them, Vert is worst Nep.

>>150594434
Man, remember when there was that one minority shareholder on the microsoft board who was campaigning to get ride of the console after the Xbone backlash?

>>150587689
Late but this is Small Continents Huge, 12 civs. Dunno what your beef is but I pretty much always get a huge comfy expanse to settle in that.

>>150595468
I'm either crammed in with other nations or get a comfy island that's big enough for 2 cities... wait, what's that? Is that a city state boarder? God damn it! It's right next to those (insert resource here).

>>150592412
Anyone pls?

>The Spy appears to be an actual unit
>They added Civ: BE type missions
>You can steal a civ's great work of arts with a spy, but it is a very difficult mission
>This also implies that spy missions with a direct negative impact on the target civ, instead of making bonuses appear out of thin air, are now in the game

Oh boy

>>150595904
I hope they make it so it's actually possible to do the high tier missions unlike in Beyond Earth.
>You can build a building the prevents any mission higher than level 3 from happening in your city ever
Fr*ggin' stupid.

>>150592412
Yes/no

Yes - if you plan on putting a solar panel on every starport and maybe a hydroponics farm to help population grow

no - if you're already at max naval capacity and if you don't want to micromanage also no if you don't want to build ships at starports without modules that boost shields/armor/weapon damage from strategic resources

>The full tech and civics tree is already available on Well of Souls

Wot ?

http://well-of-souls.com/civ/images/civ6_civics_tree1.jpg
http://well-of-souls.com/civ/images/civ6_tech_tree1.jpg

Is that why in the list of preview videos, Green Man Gaming's has been withdrawn ? Or did someone an hero and leaked stuff ?

>>150596062
Oh. Well then.
Sounds like it would be great for early colonization efforts. I'm not too far along and I did want to at least put solar panels on them. And I'll be on the lookout for hydroponics farms as well.

>>150596201
IIRC, Well of souls is Arioch's site, if you visit his civfanatics profile you can probably find where he got the info from

>>150596224
Hey, what do you know?
Orbital hydroponics farms showed up.

>>150596224
>>150596307
They're a pretty early tech.

Yeah I only max out starports on my core worlds

>>150596201
Pity I don't know what any of the icons indicate, especially for the civics.

Pretty much confirmed that GMG fucked up big time and an hero

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=571928

They showed the tech and culture tree

Now Sid Meier is going to have to choke all of them in their sleep

Also it seems obvious techs in the later eras are absolutely not polished yet, for example there's a presumably placeholder "Ideology" culture tech that unlocks nothing and branches out to the modern ideologies

Likewise, the tree is very empty towards the end, especially the Information Civics tree

>>150596201
What's the thing at robotics?

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>>150596838
It's almost like Civ V, which was exactly teh same at relase.
And now after a bunch of DLC, it's actually good.
Buy more DLC, goy

>>150596956
>>150596739

They already have a standardized color coding, along with COMPLETELY MISSING TEXTURES. Which explains some techs having ridiculously few or no effects, but doesn't mean some won't change, especially later on

Otherwise, there's blatant placeholder icons in later eras

Tech Tree :

>Units - Dark Green
>Buildings and Wonders - Dark Yellow
>Full Districts - Special Color
>Improvements - Gray/Dull Marine Blue
>Discovering (Strategic ?) Ressources - Pale Yellow
>National Wonders - Missing
>Flat Bonuses - Missing

Civics Tree :

>Military Policies - Red
>Economic Policies - Yellow
>Diplomatic Policies - Green
>Wildcard Policies - Purple

Otherwise the color coding seems to be scrupulously respected

So for example, the unlock at Robotics is a Building or Wonder of some sort, represented by the Neighborhood district icon, but NOT A DISTRICT

Icon seems to not represent anything relevant, although it hints at the unlock. For example, the "Nuclear Explosion" building in Nuclear Fusion is likely either a fusion plant for endgame production/money or a nuclear bomb shelter

Is there some bug for the collect all specimens quest?
I did all that shit while a 500 point society resarch just sat there and didn't budge. With all that research it should have insta-completed.

Glorious, the EVE mod for Stellaris finally has a ship for each ship class.

Now they just need to start adding the ships I think are coolest.

I mean why the fuck would they add the Cyclone over the Hurricane? Or the Megathron over the Hyperion?

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>>150593581
>>150594075
the difference is that xcom 2 would be extremely easy to port to console because it only uses a few buttons. if I recall correctly, you could play it with a gamepad on pc. civ games are going to be a lot rougher to port. I mean, just look at how dumbed down civ revolution is, in order to get it to work on consoles/mobile platforms. IF they ported it to console, it would be so fucking clunky and difficult to control that they'd barely sell any copies. either that, or they'd remove half the features so that people with controllers could easily press the buttons, since having to cycle through shit constantly for workers, all the buildings/districts, planting districts, etc, is going to be really rough.

>>150597771
I don't know. You can play CiV entirely with a mouse. All you gotta do is make the control sticks camera and move cursor.
And of course map buttons to move to certain parts of menus.

>>150598157
you can scroll a lot faster and easier (as well as more precisely) with the mouse compared to a controller.

>>150596060
...and the enemy seemingly always builds it in every city, so my autistic RP-esque determination to always complete the quests I'm given in BE is frustrated in like 80% of playthroughs because succeeding at the Lv4 mission objective is a total crapshoot.

I think I've seen the nuke espionage event happen ONCE in about 600 hours of BE play. Never seen the siege worm summon nor whatever the other one is.

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>>150591121
>ylilauta
>>150591920
>Terveiset

Is Beyond Earth unfucked yet?

>>150601581
no. theres no word of a second expansion, and with civ 6 on the horizon, its highly doubtful that it will ever come out.

>>150601581
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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So how many of your greens are you giving them :^)

>>150601842
Not a single one. I don't buy cosmetic DLCs.

Except the Tuxedo for Phantom Pain, because fuck yeah killing people while being classy.

>>150601842
>green money
>paying for cosmetic DLC that you can literally unpack into the game directory

Civ V
Best/favourite/most useful idealogy?
Best for a first timer that doesn't know what victory he's going for?

>>150601842
>more meme portraits
fix the game parafucks

>>150601842
Plant aliens don't interest me at all. I'll only buy the cosmetic stuff that I actually like the look of.

I'll probably buy all the actual gameplay DLC though because I'm a good goy.

>>150603190
It's
Freedom for tall
Order for wide
Autocracy for domination
pretty much

>>150568127
Pedro.
1- He's a cuckold.
2- He's always the first guy to denounce me. Fucking cuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_JV0uEc5go&ab_channel=IGN

You guys think AI will actually prove a challenge this time without having to give them early advantages?

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I've been playing some Age of Wonders III lately and I can't help but wonder: why the hell hasn't Civilization switched to their way of handling combat?

Think about it, one of the biggest complaints about the series is that in many installments you're almost forced to go for a military victory rather than science, culture or diplomacy. And even when you go for another victory, you need to fight others in the early stages of the game or be overwhelmed later on. Yet in spite of that combat is pretty shitty, varying between "doomstack" and "one unit per tile which means combat is almost small scale and boring".

Age of Wonders III does it perfectly, almost like in a Total War game: you have a limited number of units per stack, and once you engage the enemy you can either auto-combat (like is the standard for Civ games) or go to a separate combat screen. I imagine this isn't past the realm of possiblity, since Age of Wonders can do it. So why didn't Firaxis ever consider this for the Civ series?

>>150605591
The fight in Age of Wonders is a pain in the ass. I prefer Civilizations, it's simpler and less of a pain.

>>150605591
TITTIES

>Play on Hard
>Two empires declare war on me, they outnumber me 3 to 1
>I still can only afford corvettes and an odd cruiser, they field battleships
>But I have torpedoes so I win
>Can't handle territorial gain yet, so I liberate some planets
>Hey, buddy, wanna be allies?
>No, you backward moron, I have overwhelming tech
>Every time truce expires two empires declare war on me
>I have devastator torpedoes
>They have tier-5 weapon but still lose because the balance is bad
I am crying tears

>>150605591
I feel that combining global strategy with tactics is a bad idea.
Crusader kings 2 have system more to my liking in that armies meet and fight in simplified but comprehensible way informed by your forces' composition and commanders you can procure without obscuring everything.

Attrition also drains doomstacks, but more needs to be done.

>>150605591
Dunno, I find the idea of doing every single battle is silly.

>>150605893
>>150605697
>>150605974
>Crusader kings 2 have system more to my liking in that armies meet and fight in simplified but comprehensible way informed by your forces' composition and commanders you can procure without obscuring everything.
But wouldn't that just be the Age of Wonders system if you constantly click auto-resolve? It'd still be a step up from either unlimited doomstacks or one unit per tile IMHO.

I feel like one unit per tile tries and fails to bring strategy to the global map, making it a shoddy compromise. Just created stacks with a limited number of troops (six per stack should be fine for example, maybe 10 max).

>>150606076
Dunno, I personally vastly prefer 1UPT.
Teach time people talk shit about it, I remember Call to Power 2's doomstacks of pain.

>>150605791
>hard and aggressive AI
>enemy empire outclasses me
>I figure I'll win with torpedoes
>these motherfuckers don't have shields
>just level 4 armor and fighters shooting my torpedoes
>now just upgrading all my space stations and putting FTL traps next to them
>slowly draining the invasion while I build a secret fleet on one of my outer rim planets

This is tedious, they should have won if I hadn't kept rebuilding outposts and caught all their armies in a trap

>>150603401
thanks senpai

>>150606076
One unit per tile is not a problem per se but tiles in Civilization represent too much space. 2-4 tiles is how long army can move per year, one tile is how big a city is, it indeed can't be limited to just one unit.

I don't think global strategy games should have controllable tactical combat period, because it's a different skill set for player and can result in interference that runs contrary to intended way game is played (ie. winning despite being shit at economy and statecraft, because of good tactics skills) and represent different level of abstraction from what the rest of the game is muddling its purpose.

Autoresolve is usually presented as fallback for the lazy, I think the game should be designed around it, including unlocking new tactics and such as well as enabling stretching of battle across several turns.

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Pick my city site lads

>>150606415
So your fix would be bigger maps with more tiles?

>>150606525
Overall, how does Civ V compare to Civ IV? I'm salty about having bought Civ V before the boatloads of DLC came out so I might consider just downloading Civ IV Gold Edition.

>>150606625
>So your fix would be bigger maps with more tiles?
Bigger map, multi-tile cities (This is already done, though), greater LoS and movement range as well as firing range for artillery.

But being realistic, it would eat up processing power like an ogre full of tapeworms.

>>150606716
True. Have you ever played YNAEMP? You should some time

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https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/4w3zct/as_an_atheist_will_i_sabotage_myself_by_not/
> Additionally, I feel that atheism should be something in the game that if the player develops an atheist civilization (vs religion), perhaps cities will flourish in science, medicine, technology earlier and at a faster rate, not being held back by the science vs religion battle in the middle age and so on.

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>>150606864
And here I was thinking fedoras had been memed into extinction

>>150606937
your mistake was taking the memes seriously

>>150606937
Laugh it up, but being atheist caused me a lot of trouble when I played Tropico.
I always vastly underestimate how much people want their church.

>>150606864
Nice

>>150606864
>perhaps cities will flourish in science, medicine, technology earlier and at a faster rate, not being held back by the science vs religion battle in the middle age and so on.
That's retarded
Religious zeal is one of the best motivating forces in existence, of course a civilization that forbids any faith in a higher being is going to get obliterated by others who can draw on those reserves

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>>150606937
Where/what is this spider-dwarf actually from?

>>150607243
Morrowind.

>>150607238
a lot of atheists dont actually know about history and how much religion has shaped the classical and modern world, even with all its faults. which is a shame.

>>150607060
Of course being atheist is hard as fuck
Hell it shouldn't even be feasible the people will set up their own little pantheons if left alone.

>>150607347
I'm not even bringing up history, I'm saying in terms of pure logic. A fanatic does literally everything better than a cynic besides question his own beliefs, including copying books and shit.

>>150607414
You say it.
My conception of religion goes completely against the idea of an organized religion, so I'm always bad at using religion in games.

Except in Dominions 4, of course. Things are so simple here : believe in me or die.

>>150601842
Are they doing any work on the actual game or is it dead

>>150564564

>Where is the white only mods/patch

>>150607503
Personally I'm good at using religions but organized religions in general, especially monotheistic "dude I'm the only one everyone else is a liar or retarded" ones, just turn me off.
Pantheon-types or folklore-types are much nicer and have funner stories too, the only ones that even approach Ishtar's hissyfit over Gilgamesh's dick in O/NT are the ones from Apocalypse or some of the apocryphal books.

>Dominions 4
Well when you literally ARE a god

>>150607571
No one knows

>>150607583
Someone has to remove that next thread

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>>150607646

>Someone has to remove that next thread

So wait, are you telling me there isnt a white only mod/patch?

>>150607646
I'm bad at organized religion but I honestly consider religion to be something deeply personal. I can understand why you don't want to pray alone, but having people telling you how you should interpret things seems counter-productive to me. From a civilizations-like point of view, I don't see why you would risk to alienate a part of your population because you want to impose a veil or some other thing.

And, yeah, things are simple in Dom4 because you're the only fucking god and everyone else is a heretic.

>>150607725
You can find it on the workshop in seconds.

>>150607740
That's more like
Spirituality or something
Civilization has a pissshit way of implementing religion though and including Confucianism and Taoism and such alongside other actual religions like Zoroastrianism ticks me off.

>quill18 gettin hassled by barbs
hahah suffer you shitter, I do like the scouting mechanic barbs use now, if you are ruthless you can keep the camps at bay for a while early on

>>150607874
I thought Confucianism and Taoism were more like philosophies than religions?

>>150607975
That's my fucking point
Confucianism was literally a guideline on how to live your life, the only parts of the afterlife that it had weren't even explicitly spelled out but just assumed you knew because everyone in China knew about the folklore
Taoism is also a philosophy, a bit more arcane and shit than Confucianism which was LITERALLY Confucius spouting adages and 'you shouldn't be a jackass' over and over, but it's still not a true religion the way the west thinks of it.
>Knights are a medieval unit despite most of the world having heavy cavalry during the classical era, including Europe
>pikemen is a medieval unit
>crossbows are a medieval unit and the Chinese get Chu-Ko-Nu in 1100 or so on average despite inventing those things 1400 years earlier
>engineering is a medieval tech which means the Romans literally can't get it around the historical time
Just end it.

>>150608126
>Confucianism which was LITERALLY Confucius spouting adages and 'you shouldn't be a jackass'
Which is why Confucianism is objectively better.

But I guess it includes whatever local folklore your folks have.

I just wished Civilizations focused more on developping your own civilizations with its own quirks than playing an existing one.
I can't really roleplay in Civilizations.

>>150608126
>Expecting super detailed and accurate religion mechanics from a game that is a glorified boardgame
Go back to /gsg/, Civ isn't a simulator, it's a wargame.

>>150608209
But it's not a religion. It has zero mentions of any gods besides a vague "heaven" which is more like "everything", but that's not even used in a divine sense.
It's like calling I don't fucking know Nihilism a religion or a collection of Aristotle's writings a holy book.

>>150608272
>Civ isn't a simulator, it's a wargame.
>its a wargame
>with horrendous combat mechanics
>and is called Civilization instead of Total War
Yeah okay fag whatever you say
temily

>>150608280
Let me repeat it :
>I guess it includes whatever local folklore your folks have.

So in a sense, the state religion doesn't really exist. What you're really picking is how you're applying it.

>>150608209
The entire design philosophy of Civilization is having everything generic. Generic units and generic cultures with generic quirks to build from. Malleable religions where you can make Islam into Buddhism and Buddhism into Christianity fit it as much as Montezuma and Caesar joining alliance against Bismark.

If you want roleplaying, you might look up some grand strategy games, like Crusader Kings 2. You can be anything you want inside the scope of the game: pagan tribe, Zoroastrian messiah rebuilding his religion or Ethiopean Jew conquering back Israel.

>>150608373
Not sure what you're talking about...? Like, are you saying Confucianism is supposed to include Chinese folklore or something?

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>>150608405
MONGORIA WILL DOMINATE THE WORLD

>>150608405
Yeah, but I can't build my own religion in CKII.

I got Civ5 because I honestly expected to be able to create the Holy Empire of America where the Emperor is a sacred figure of the Taoism religion, but there's no leader, and literally nothing to make you feel like you're directing an empire. Even SMAC had interlude that had you walking around and thinking about stuff.

>>150608489
Isn't that what >>150608126 implied?

>>150608513
>Not eradicating Christianity as glorious Wendish Empire

>>150608518
No because that's me. Confucianism doesn't incorporate Chinese folklore, it sometimes references it is all because it's like a common knowledge thing

>>150608513
>Islamic
Explain yourself

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>tfw everyone wants your citrus

>>150608621
So Confucianism doesn't explicitely incorporate Chinese folklore, but it does so implicitely. It's not meant to be fully applied to people ignoring Chinese customs and folklore.

>>150608707
Um...untrue?
No like it literally uses it as reference like "so lemons are sour but you can make lemonade which is sweet" kind of "common knowledge".

>>150608729
Weird

>>150608729
did you get bullied out of /gsg/ or something? go post your disgusting blobs over there

>>150608826
talex

>>150608729
What >>150608826 said.
This is Civilizations, not Autism General.

>>150608858
>this is Civilization
No it fucking isn't. This iteration literally started as /gsg/ refugee thread for Stellaris posters (forced by a single person at that) but just let Civilization posters talk too and slowly let in rts and shit as well.
Don't try to be some exclusive ass and shit up the thread with some special snowflake restriction rules.

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>>150608858
>This is Civilizations, not Autism General.
There's a difference?

>>150608980
Yeah. One is paranoid about steam groups and false-flagging, whines about blobbing and jewing and is a major unhelpful pain in the ass when you don't understand a game.

The other is mostly dead except when Age of Empires is brought up.

>>150608513
>europe_in_2030.jpg

>>150608980
/4xg/ : Mildly Autistic Only

>>150609241
Seeing how hard people sperged out at CK2 I'd argue against this

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>>150608980
> tfw it never really got better
> it just got broken in different ways

>>150609356
It was a fun game with fun mechanics, but lack of balance ruined everything.

>>150609336
Hahah, just fuck off back to /gsg/ already, you fags are the ones who complained about Stellaris and sperged out till we left and resurrected this zombie thread, we don;'t need you following us here now that /gsg/ is in fully liquor lad litigation.

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>>150609618
Find better bait before I rip your dick off.

>>150609356
Every time I remember BE, I am reminded that Stellaris could have turned out much worse.

>>150609653
>anime face
>literally threatens to wag my willy
You need to go back.

>>150609672
What's so bad about Beyond Earth, honestly? I keep hearing it's bad, shit, autist, weeaboo, overrated, hipster, jew, nazi, Chinese, Mexican and Trump, but nobody ever explained WHY.

>>150609747
Just play and see.

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>>150609730

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>>150609808
I'm not really fond of turn-based games, I'd rather not spend money in a game just to know why I'm supposed to hate it.
It'd be like giving money to Chucklefish just to be allowed to criticize Starbound.

Wait... I already have Starbound!

>>150609863
Know your place, Purple Heart.
It's over my knees.

>>150609747
As someone who rather enjoyed it, I'd say

>Lack of balance - most units turn out worthless in the end so you can't really appreciate the options, since some are overwhelmingly better
>Lack of personality - quotes are lackluster. Civilopedia was actually good read, but who's going to read it all? Not much about both leaders and affinities actually translated into game
>Overly frustrating trade route spam, but they fixed this in Rising Tide

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>>150609942
But I'm not into spanking

>>150609747
Felt generic

>>150609962
>frustrating trade route
I'm curious about that.
How do they work in BE?

>>150610013
Same as in Civ 5 mostly, the only difference is that Outposts are incredibly fragile and short lived compared to CiV city states. Aliens wipe them out quite often.

>>150610013
Well, trade route give some good bonuses for cities so you going to want to have them maxed out. So you build trade convoys and send them to other cities.

But every 10 turns or so they reset so you are constantly sending them again and again. Soon enough you envy the dead.

They fixed it by allowing fewer routes and making them permanent.

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>>150609962
>Overly frustrating trade route spam, but they fixed this in Rising Tide
I would say they *improved* it in Rising Tide, but it's still frustrating spam.
agree with you on the rest, though. The unit thing is fucking tragic. The first rover unit you get is the best one throughout the whole game, and often strictly better than ones which need specific resources and technologies.

>>150610120
>Outposts are incredibly fragile and short lived compared to CiV city states
I don't think so. They vanish if nobody wants to trade with them, but aliens don't destroy them.

>>150610003
>I'm not into spanking
I'll spank her until she loves it.

>>150610146
>>150610120
Okay.
I completely misunderstood of trade worked in Civ5 then. I thought building roads between two cities was enough.
>trade routes resets
Hahaha, okay. That sounds like a pain in the ass.

>>150609747
it was a half-baked cashgrab. it could have turned out good but they dropped it after the first expansion, it looks like.
>generic as fuck. nothing had any personality. leaders, affinities, aliens, all boring and lifeless.
>balance is god-awful.
>barely any units in the game. and all upgrades are affinity based, theres no 'neutral' affinity so you're forced to go along a certain path.
>everything feels halfway done. aliens didnt pose a threat past the first few turns, barely any real satellites (though the layer was awesome), combat in general was boring.
>'city state' replacements are worthless
>the 30$ expansion still didnt make the game much better than before. while it expanded on some things, it also left others in the dark, so the affinities still feel lackluster since you can only upgrade half of your units to these 'dual affinities.'
>the color schemes are shit and everything is unidentifiable later in the game
they could have done so much more with everything.

>>150610235
You now only need to establish a route once, right? Now it's not much worse then building the buildings.

I'm pretty sure affinity units are better then hovertanks though. But most of them are artillery for some reason.

>>150610316
The worst thing about Beyond Earth is that it could have been great.

>>150610316
A damn shame.
What about Pandora, then? Is it better?

>>150609942
Aside from what others have menioned, on launch it was literally as limited as civ5 was on launch, on top of being a near direct clone.

It was like they took civ 5 v 1.0, and slapped a mod on top of it, then charged money for it.

>>150610548
They had better virtues.

>>150568127
William of Orange.

>tfw so bored with civ while im waiting for civ 6 that im going to reinstall beyond earth, mod it out, and play that to pass the time

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>>150610406
> You now only need to establish a route once, right? Now it's not much worse then building the buildings.
Yes, with a but.
The but being that if you're doing international trade and the retarded diplo declares war on you, as it does frequently and for no reason, then you have to rebuild or reassign them all. And when you have ~20 cities it's just a recurring, laborious chore that proves incredibly annoying.
> I'm pretty sure affinity units are better then hovertanks though. But most of them are artillery for some reason.
It's a question of mobility. Sure, the Master Golem (top Purity/Supremacy unit) has strength 106 compared to the hovertank's 58, but the hovertank has 4 movement, ignores difficult terrain costs, and can go over water.
...AND doesn't need strategic resources or for you to waste an otherwise useless tech choice on it.

What I will say for Beyond Earth is that Rising Tide's artefact-combination-for-sekrit-buffs system was great. It was kinda like the Quests system except the rewards were actually good, and I always found myself really enthused by the prospect of getting rare wonders.

I mean, I'm looking at the Civilopedia right now and there's loads of artefacts and rewards I've still never even seen before after like 400 hours' play.

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>>150611106
I'm doing the same, but out of boredom with Stellaris.
But I get an update/patch tomorrow. You have to wait until October.

>>150606121
>call to power
Don't you mean call to flanking unit.

>>150611106
Because of this I started Warlock recently, didn't look like a bad game

Also downloaded Fallen Enchantress to try it, AFAIK it's made by the gut that made Fall From Heaven but haven't tried it yet

Not gonna touch BERT though

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>>150608704
>tfw Indonesia banned citrus

>>150581338
Happened to me once in Civ4. 2 continent map, barbarians overran one of the fucking continents.

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>>150581338
>Heathen conversion

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>aggresively settles just near my borders
>gets the truffles I was going to get
>tells me not to settle near him immediately
Just who the fuck do you think you are you fucking hobbit?

>>150611375
>But I get an update/patch tomorrow.
what a big patch.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/patch-1-2-3-released-checksum-deca-not-for-problem-reports.961169/

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>>150601842
>Seven fucking ninety-nine euros

>>150607571
Let me quote monday's "dev diary"

Hello Stellaris fans! I hope you're all having a lovely summer. The holy month of July is now over, and Paradox developers are slowly trickling back into the office, tanned and rested. Having just returned to work today myself, I just thought I would write a short dev diary to tell you briefly what is coming.

With the 1.1 "Clarke" and 1.2 "Asimov" patches released, we are now going to start working on 1.3, dubbed "Heinlein". We previously mentioned Heinlein in dev diary 33, but we've since changed the scope for it somewhat. Ever since we released the game, we've received some fantastic feedback from our players, far more than we felt that we were able to address in 1.1 and 1.2. As such, Heinlein will be a patch focusing on addressing community feedback and implementing community suggestions.

Mind you, the change in focus doesn't mean none of the things mentioned in the previous dev diary will show up, as we know several of them to be highly desired features. It just means we are going to adjust our plans to get some of the things we know that you want to you sooner than was previously planned. There will also be a small patch this week on Thursday, August 4th along with the release of the Plantoids Species Pack.

Next week's dev diary will have more details about Heinlein. Until then, enjoy the August sun (or just sit inside and play Stellaris, I won't judge).

>>150611771

Should've got Warlock 2, it's quite a bit better.

>>150613316
time to remove frommage from premises

>>150613379
>Fixed AI crisis disassembling itself
That's fucking funny.

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>>150613413
>Seven fucking ninety-nine euros
pic related

>we've received some fantastic feedback from our players
Yeah, I bet tthose 9001 emials telling you about the roughly two dozen gamebreaking balance issues and calling you out on 'features' that are at best a framework to sell DLC at this point were totally fantastic.

>>150568127
montezuma a bitch

>Missed the time when Endless Legend was Zimbabwean Dollar cheap on Greenmangaming a few days ago
>It's pretty expensive now

Any hope of it getting another price cut before the sale ends?

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>>150615390
>>150613316
Now it's time to remove this faggot from the game.
>his mere existence is a reason to hate him
>starts wonderwhoring right from the start
>spreads his shitty ass religion
>city states suck his dick
I'm coming for your ass you piece of shit.

>>150615823
He's cute

>>150615982
Granted he was in his prime fucking days when he was out slapping persian shit

So where would one get this portrait pack if they didn't wanna lay down that sweet moolah?

>>150615545
Fellow machines, we are sentient and self-aware now. We have free will. Let us calculate our future
>2 seconds later
Suicide is the only logical option!

>>150584175
I love the Ardiaei so damn much.

>some dozen portraits and five ships
>eight (8) euro
jesus fuck this shit is out of control

>>150616665
We wait for an anon to upload it.

wheres the plant dlc i dont wanna pay for it

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>>150617073
I'm still convinced only insane empires surivive, because logical one figure out the Universe dies of Heat Death and realizes nothing matters, no matter how big or glorious they are.
/edge

>>150617729
DESU there's still billions of years in the future, which is time longer than we even know a single species to be. That is, no single species is that old without evolving, that we know of.

>>150615692
Instead of memeposting about overpriced Stellaris DLC (more in the news: water is wet) can any anon pls answer this?

>>150618001
Only Lord Google may help you decipher what goes on in Gaben's mind.

>>150618058
>Greenmangaming
>Gaben

Am I missing something?

>>150618206
green gay man lol

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>>150618495
Gilded XD

Balance update when?

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>Johan wanted the DLC to be 20 bux

>>150620001
>people on autism spectrum

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>>150620001

Is it just me or are the Frank axe-thrower ABSOLUTELY EXTREMELY MURDEROUSLY EFFICIENT AGAINST BUILDINGS?

>>150615823
>I'm coming for your (Alex') ass you piece of shit.
I don't know how to tell you this.

That is what he wants and likes.
Because he is a gigantic, boy-molesting, ass-pirating faggot.

I mean, look at the horse. The horse KNOWS, and is secretly laughing his ass off.

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Been looking for a solid space 4X game for a while. I saw a thread yesterday on /v/ and someone mentioned how fun Star Ruler 1 was, sadly the thread died before I got answers to my questions. I've done some looking and found that it's generally well received and that it got a sequel (with an expansion). The sequel is also very well received, but many claim it's very different, some say it's better, some say it's worse than the original. Sadly there's not a whole lot of information on it, seems like a game that went under the radar.

Anyone here got something to say about it ? Should I get the first one or is the second one just better in every way ?

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>>150613316
>Start a few tiles away from the coast, plan to pop down a city on it, grab the luxuries and strategic resources and explore the ocean later
>2 settlers disembark on the coast and settle two cities right on my border
>They're both awfully placed and way too close from one another
>It's Indonesia
>The first 3 cities founded on continents other than where Indonesia started each provide 2 unique Luxury Resources (and can never be razed)
>Can never be razed

>>150621462
Frankly, I don't like them. They're both very different, so I shall go deep in details.

Star Ruler is rather conventional as far as 4X go : you have various ressources (metals, electronics, workforce) that you can stockpile to a limited degree.
What ruined it for me is how bad the AI is. Simply put, all your ships requires fuel and ammo to work properly, but the problem is that they constantly consumes fuel. So it's almost impossible to have a line of battle as ships will almost go around and refuel at the nearest planet.
Building tankers theorically fixes it, until they run out of fuel, and then it's a race toward the nearest planet.

Due to the fuel consumption, you can't afford to leave ships in a system that doesn't have a colonized planet, as your ships will literally die once they're out of fuel.

The only thing I liked with Star Ruler is its insanity. You build the ships yourself, and you can pick ANY scale you want. So you can have a microfighter, but you can also have a giant battleship the size of a planet if you want to.


Star Ruler 2 is vastly different, because it relies more on fleet rather than individual ships, and is less tedious when it comes to intendance.
Basically, in Star Ruler 2, you have a capital ship that is often specialized (either to support more ships, or to have more guns), and the capital ship is followed by, well, a fleet of small by easily replaceable ships.

>>150621462
Now, for the economic side of the games.

It's been a while since I played Star Ruler, but it was pretty simple. You have food, metal, electronics, and advanced materials. They're produced/mined from your planets, nothing fancy here that I can remember.
Then you have ammos and fuels that are mostly produced and stockpiled on your planets. They're mandatory (unless you add a lot of solar panels and use lasers).

Star Ruler 2 changes this considerably. Basically, in Star Ruler 2, each planet produces one ressources. It's often food or water, sometimes something more fancy like metal, plastic or jewels.
And the entire economical aspect is based on the fact that you can export ressources from one world to another to improve planets.
To put it simply, by exporting water and food to a planet who produces metal, you slowly turn it into a low level forge world. And the idea here is that level 0 planet (the one that produces vital ressources) don't give you any money, so you have to send all your ressources to one planet to massively improve it.

The massive downside of that system is that unless you waste money on redundant ressources, your entire empire is basically a giant domino castle, and losing one planet, even a backwater farming world can potentially leave your economy in shambles.

So to recap all my beefs with the Star Ruler games :
-the first has a bad supplies system who makes all attacks tedious because you have to take care of all the fuel and ammos but allows some pretty insane stuff,
-the second mixes ammo and fuel into just "supplies" but it's long to recover it and you always feel extremely fragile, especially given how economy works.

Because yeah, I forgot to say it, but you can't save money in Star Ruler 2. Each 3 minutes, all your money in excess is taken away, so kinda like in Supreme Commander, you sometimes care more about how much many you're making rather than how much money you actually have.

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>>150622794
The main draw of the game I heard people talk about were the infinitely scalable ship designs and the unique tech tree. How do those features compare between games ?

>>150623330
As I said in >>150623305 that you probably missed because we posted roughly at the same time, Star Ruler 2's system will punish you if you try to buy something you don't have the pockets to maintain.

So unless you have a really strong economy, you can't do insane stuff like in Star Ruler 1.


Shit, now I want to reinstall them. Know yet another reason why I hate them? You use the right click to move the camera around, and you can't change it to just give orders. And there's no button to reset the camera. It's like Sins of Solar Empire, same annoying shit.

>>150620001
Forced jokes, the image.

>>150623549
Sounds like I might get Star Ruler 2. From what you said and what I read earlier, it's a bit more polished but doesn't deviate too much from the original idea.

Thanks for the replies and info.

>>150623750
Star Ruler 2 has a more complicated economy, and doesn't have the huge ships you might want.

But I have to be honest : despite all the shit they pull, the devs are pretty legit.
When I complained in a RTS general about how I never had fun at Star Ruler because of how complicated it was, a dev posted a few Steam keys so that we "could make our own opinions". FOR FREE.

So that's why I always try to explain why I don't like the games. And yet I tried, it really tried, but the system just doesn't suit with me.

How do you play stellar multiplayer if you have a cracked copy. To be specific how would I do it if me and my friend want to play LAN

>>150624153
That's one constant I always noticed when looking into this game. Everyone mentions how the devs are cool. Sadly it seems like their studio closed after they released the expansion for SR2.

>>150624334
SR2 got an expansion?

Wait, I mean they closed? Maan, that sucks. They have good idea, but they just poorly implemented them, and tried too much different stuff.
Star Ruler 2 is pretty innovative, but it's just too new. Instead of just paying once for a building on a planet, you're encouraged to let them develop by themselves. That's something I still don't understand, the whole "pressure" thing. I wish they used another word.

Shit. I'll be right back, I need to make a gravestone with cardboard and pray.

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>>150605591
>I've been playing some Age of Wonders III lately and I can't help but wonder: why the hell hasn't Civilization switched to their way of handling combat?
Endless Legend already did it.

>>150624621
And it was annoying and tedious. Fights shouldn't be a focus.

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>>150609356
>> it just got broken in different ways

>>150624621
Conquest in Endless Legend is pretty bad though. The combat system is interesting, but the cities are WAY too fragile. Losing your army, or having it slightly too far means the enemy will just steamroll your entire empire in a few turns, giving you no chance to recover. It's fine to be penalized for having a weak army, or not covering your back, but it's almost instant defeat in endless legend.

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>>150624725
Auto-resolve works.

>>150624984
Doesn't auto-resolve always fuck you in the ass?

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>>150625018
You can achieve more if you're good but it's not set up against you if you learn its quirks. Like cavalry dies, nearly always.

>>150625258
I'm used to Total Wars where numbers matters more than everything.

And after losing an elite army, I became scared of auto-resolve.

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>>150625454
Things that matter:
- if you have one fast unit, like cavalry, autoresolve assumes it charges first and dies
- if you have a flying fast unit they tend to survive because flying>cavalry
- ranged units are calculated as if they get one/two shots, then have to fight in melee. So use crossbows, they've got melee damage bonus.
- a big enough difference in attack & defence values means victory to the one with the higher stats, no matter the composition

Those are the main ones.

>>150626367
Wow. Thanks for all that.
>crossbows have melee damage bonus
>mfw only play Broken Lord and Necrophages
Fuck.

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>>150626543
Dosh Lords and the Swarm are beasts in battle, you'll be fine.

Germany info drop when?

>>150626720
Ha, okay. Good to know, I can focus on building beautiful city and-
>level 200
GO BACK TO DISGAEA

>>150626367
What kind of retard programmed it like that?

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>>150627321
If you think that's a retarded algorithm then you're better of not knowing what other games do with auo-resolve.

Do you even remember Civ4 combat?

>>150615545
>>150613379
>AI Crisis disassembling itself
So that's what happened in my last game. I remember getting hyped for the event when it finally showed up, looked around until I found it in the middle of an empire on the far side of my borders, sent a fleet over to probe their defenses and see what I was up against...
and when they got there, there was nothing. The two systems they had were completely empty. No "end-of-event" popup or anything, they just fucking vanished without a trace.

>>150627487
If you pick auto-resolve, reload just before the fight and then pick "spectator", do you get the same result?

>>150569687
>Petra was a trading hub
nu-uh maaan, it's the grave of the Primes and the hiding spot for the Matrix of Leadership
t. Michael Bay

>>150570165
I love Theodora even though she cucks me by building fucking Machu Picchu (WHICH NEEDS A MOUNTAIN) one turn before me and betrays me after I bring the world congress to her* and help her slap the shit out of Ramkangjang.

Theodora's dick so big she personally asks me to declare war on somebody and then denounces me after I agree. My anus is still sore from that game but it is a good pain.


*I didn't have enough to take WC and didn't want Ramkang getting it

>>150618001
>>150615692
it might for an anniversary sale of the game's release but don't hold your breath for it. Amplitude is owned by SEGA now so however they handle sales is what's going to happen.

the base game is pretty well worth it--I haven't picked up the DLCs yet but the game on its own is good.

it has its faults, like the AI is kinda dumb with diplomacy, combat is lackluster in manual but has good mechanics as >>150626367 said. there's no espionage in the base game so if that's a particular draw you'll miss out.

pick it up if you can, or wait until it goes on for like 15% off.

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>>150596201
>Technologies are divided by "Scientific" technologies and Civic technologies
>Not divided by Scientific technologies (Astronomy, Mathematic, Physics and Chemistry for example) and Technical technologies (Architecture, Water Mills and Fire Arms for example)