/dsg/ - Souls General

>le epic hollow that wombo combos you to death in an instant

Fuck this game.

I sacrifice.

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first for the poiseking, our lord and savior

>>150219045
Unless you are talking about the pus of man hollows, I don't think there is a single hollow in 3 that can do this

>>150219230
It's the dudes in no man's wharf. Still salty.

>>150218924
Armor is basically irrelevant as it is right now, just have one piece in each slot, leave Vit at base, etc

Having some degree of poise and defense =/= making the armor choices completely lopsided to the degree of haveldad and giantmom

xth for sl 387

>>150219308
Still not as bad as asylum return torch hollows

>>150218938
Sunless Gauntlets worst gauntlets (stat wise)

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Do you need to be kindled to be invaded?

Are embers quite common?

Alright so... Darkroot is the most active PvP area right... And all those pro PvPers there... They must have gotten indicted at some point right... So you could say... Darkroot is full of sinners right... So instead of staying at SL125 and using Red Eye Orb... I could go up to SL218 and use Blue Eye Orb right... Wouldn't make any difference right... Right..?

>>150219045
You're now realising there is no torch hollow in 3 because they'd be insta kills.

>>150219327
People will always minmax in PVP games, especially japs.

There was no reason to eliminate poise and meganerf armor defense other than Miyazaki's refusal to stop thinking about Bloodborne.

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What did she mean by this?

>>150219541
Yes .
No.
You can also farm them by getting summoned for boss fights or by killing certain enemies if you want more

>>150219541
no
yes

>>150219723
why does she always look normal in fanart when she's a complete abomination in-game

>>150219568
Oolacile is more active and much comfier.

>>150219726
Oh wait i meant yes for embers.
>>150219729
I've never been invaded unkindled in easily over 25 hours of being in that state

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Oh great
I've seen some bad mages but this just takes the cake

>Cant hit with CSS
>Runs off up top
>Starts throwing affinity and CSS at me

>>150219932
i was a couple times in the swamp at release
not lately though

>>150219723
I don't get it

>>150219885
people like to draw her not-starved, and healthy

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>>150219885
People are so desperate for a waifu their brain softens the reality to make it more palatable.

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>>150219885
Same reason the princes look like this.

>>150219723
She's saying he doesn't have to apologize for something. Probably for thinking lewd thoughts about her

filthy slut

>>150219308
They're really not that bad. Stop trying to R1 spam them, maybe take a break and go back to it when you're less frustrated.

>>150219704
the difference is that minmaxing in das1 gave you massive physdef and poise

giving the heaviest armor in das3 only enough poise to resist a 2h greatsword/BKG would be fine

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>>150219723
She's thanking Ashen One for pic related

Majestic Greatsword any good?

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>limited rebirths

FOR WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE MEMEAZAKI?

>>150220057
Was probably a glitch then or something that they removed
>>150219885
>>150220073
DELET THI

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>this fucking room
>skeletons ignore demon
>demon ignores skeletons
>mimic ignores demon and skeletons
>they all come at me like a medieval bukkake party

Help.

>>150220319
literally a meme weapon

>>150220307
>oysters
>good

krek0v confirmed for shit taste

>>150219308
Do you mean the long arm dudes?

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everyone quick post more sad

>>150220415
>can't change character name on rebirth

OCELOTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150220441
The mimic and skeletons both attack the demon you dunce. I literally cleared this room yesterday with their help

>Choosing "I can fly"

>Oh, my! I imagined it might be so.
>Then thou'rt a dragon, or perhaps a crow?
>Whatever thou beest, thou'rt wondrous strange, yet strangely familiar, visitor.
>Laughs
>LAUGHS

WHY DIDN'T I CHOOSE I CAN FLY
WHY

I WILL NEVER HEAR HE LAUGH NOW WHY EVEN LIVE

>>150220498
Considering almost all his porn drawings are gay, are you surprised that he has shit taste?

>>150220415
Think your build more thoroughly. Be thankful they gave you respec at all since every previous game besides DS2 completely omitted that.

>>150219885
What does she look like in-game?

I don't think I've seen her yet since I'm only at the Catacombs so far. See: >>150220441

>>150220498
those are ears

>worst PvE
>best PvP

Why is DaS2 so... unique?

>Pontiffs
>Summoned to the world of Speardude
>Have 2kat+offhand CB for shenanigans
>Host immediatly walks off the edge after seeing the 2kat
WELL ALRIGHT THEN
>Tfw wasnt even going to use the WA

HOLD the fuck up

What is the SL meta in DS3 on NG, or/and NG+ ?

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>>150220520

>>150220674
>best PvP

I want duelfags to go, invasions sucked.

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>>150220658

>>150220691
>what is google

>>150220674
it's the Temple of Doom of the Souls series, just off doing it's own thing

>>150220441
just kill the demon and worry about the skellies later, the demon doesn't respawn

>>150220691
I think its around 120 for NG, not sure about NG+

>>150220674
no, DaS3 has the worst PvE, DaS1 has the best PvP

>>150220647
I mean alter appearance, I'm more than happy with my build, buddy

>>150220501
No, the dual wielding guys.

>>150220674
Because it had many disparate creative influences and design visions rather than being held holistic prisoner to one overrated auteur.

It was terrible in many aspects and great in others.

>>150219581
Imagine Dark Souls1 wheels skeletons with Dark Souls 3 poise.

>>150220838
>saying invasions sucked in 2 when DS3 exists
Wew

>>150220658
litterally a babies face, very long neck, fridge body, emaciated arms.

>>150220415
at least make visual rebirths unlimited and enable name changes

>>150220838
Arena fucking sucks, invasions are awesome. With a faith build you'll never lose a Shrine of Amana invasion.

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Well /dsg/ it's time for me to admit that I'm a massive fag who's never beaten the first Dark Souls. I've beaten every boss except Gwyn and Manus because whenever I got to end game I'd get distracted by PvP.

But now I've beaten and gotten Dark Souls 3 I'm really feeling the urge to finally fucking beat Dark Souls 1.

But I'm having a struggle: I've never used sorceries in DaS1, and I've only rarely used miracles, so I feel inclined to make a character that uses them this time around. Yet at the same time I've always felt like making a pure melee knight or warrior is the 'proper' way to do Souls. What do you guys think?

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>>150220520
i cri everytiem

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>>150220839
Jesus christ I get why fanart always "adorablizes" her.

She's got a creepy as fuck porcelain-doll-looking face.

>>150220671
Oh, yeah that makes more sense than a platter of sandwiches with a side order of oysters and a large estus

>>150220960
Oh. They're bargain bin dual katana skellies imo. Just keep your distance, 2hand and rek them.

>>150220674
DS2 has by far the worst invasion rules in the entire franchise.
It's like DS3, only even more in favor of a host and with stupid shit like SM, lack of full orb or inability to phase through enemies.

>>150221108
Ornstein had a hard life

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>>150221108

>>150219887
>liking the townshit

>>150221045
>I've always felt like making a pure melee knight or warrior is the 'proper' way to do Souls.

This is absolutely true, but Sorceries in DaS1 were actually not bad, and the Oolacile+Dark spells are pretty fun to use.

Since you've already done a melee run, there's no harm in trying out different builds.

>>150220796
why do fanartists always pretend that Petrus and Lautrec were part of the group? Those guys were cunts

>>150221291
So wait, was DaS2 Ornstein the REAL Ornstein this whole time?

>>150220997
>>150221028
>timed invasions
>gank squads sitting on warmth even harder to punish than 3
>unable to operate mechanisms
>forced to farm orbs

Invading in 2 was awful.

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>>150221445

Lautrec isn't a full on cunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnvBVLMFtfE

>>150221364
Support spells in DaS1 were also the best due to the charge system

>replenishment
>power within
>fall control
>repair
>cast light
>heal/great heal excerpt
>magic barrier
>homeward
splashing some ATT and INT or FAI gave you some great utility

>>150221108
>Dark Souls 3 implies that Ornstein didn't die in DS1 and neither did Smough.
Does this mean the Chosen Undeads never really fought them, then? Or were they an illusion too?
>you get their soul

>>150221589
No, as of Dark Souls 3 neither the first Ornstein nor the Old Dragonslayer are the real Ornstein.

>>150221045
I personally wouldn't recommend a sorcerer playthrough, I find them far less engrossing and I often feel like I'm cheesing areas and bosses that were clearly designed to be tackled with melee.

Like the other guy said though, you've already basically beat the game as a standard warrior, so you might as well try something new. If nothing else I'd suggest picking a wildly different weapon, it's ridiculous how much it changes the whole game.

Where da pc fc at bois

>>150221712
>>150221712
how does DaS3 prove that the Old Dragonslayer isn't the real Ornstein?

For my next build, should I do dex/faith or strength/faith? I've already done pure faith.

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>>150221590
>Shulva fucking screams "i'm an area for invasion assholery! use those elevators and pillars to have the same fun as you had in catacombs in ds1!"
>can't manipulate ANY of them
>host can just rest at the second bonfire for 10 minutes and there's no chance in hell you can get to him
whoever designed ds2 invasion system needs to be fired

>>150221776
Because the real Ornstein met his fate at Archdragon Peak.
Also the Old Dragonslayer uses Dark and it just seems really inconsistent for a god to be able to effectively use Dark when it's meant to be anathema to them.

>I can play as shiva's spook guard while dicking around with fire surge and it's all in-character
Splendid

>>150221712
this ornstein illusion shit has to be one of the worst things to come out of these games

>>150222009
>real Ornstein met his fate at Archdragon Peak
there's not even a corpse there, the armor is just floating on the ground

>>150221776
Ornstein's armor description in 3 says he left to search for the Nameless Kang. He probably wasn't in Drangleic.

>>150221968
don't do either if you've already done faith

do pure pyro
66str + blessed weapon

>>150220916

>DaS1 has the best PvP

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>150222212
>waaah i got backstabbed once and am still salty about it
>please miyazaki take away these mean mechanics and systems that i dont like

loser.

>>150222176
Done pyro, dex, pure faith, pure int and quality.
Haven't done strength yet, but I quite like having some spells.

>>150222091
desu while I'm not that mad at *it's a hologram* these days, I always thought they should just have let him die in 1 and his story would have been over nicely

>>150221045

Sorcery is fucking broken in DS1, don't do that. I parried Gwyn's opener then literally just one-shot him with Dark Bead. Dumb.

>>150222091
>implying that he won't be back for the DLC
>implying that we won't get to fight the Very Very Very Old Dragonslayer

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>>150221968
15 FAI + 66 STR is the only true STR build.

>>150222176
>>150222589
weapons don't get Str scaling bonus from 2h in dark souls 3

>>150222401
It just feels really fanservicy to me. Like the idea that ornstein is so badass that we can't let the player beat him. He was just a dude really.
Similar thing with artorias, but I actually liked the undead legion.

>>150221968
>pure FAI build
>in DaS3
my sincere condolences

>>150222495
>implying that we won't get to fight the Very Very Very Old Dragonslayer

but I just wanted to be friends

>>150222685
Yes they do.

>>150222478
Every time that makes me laugh.

FIX STRAIGHT SWORD PHANTOM RANGE THIS IS RETARDED

>>150222716
why are there so many guys dubbed "dragonslayer" throughout the souls games

>>150222716
he'll be the optional boss that you can talk to, and only aggroes if you attack him/some npc or bring a certain item into the room

>he won't have his armor or spear because he ditched them upon seeing the ruin that was the Nameless King
>he wanders the world aimlessly
>his only identifying characteristic is his lightning magic, and his mane of long, red hair

>>150221364
>>150221739
>>150222438
Maybe I'll start with a mostly melee character and if I enjoy the game enough try out some sorceries on a second play through?

How easy is it to do a miracle using knight in DaS1? Like both the stats for attack strength and medium/heavy armour (like the elite knight set or something at least) as well as some pretty good miracles? For such a build is it better to start with knight and spec into miracles, or cleric and spec into physical stats?

>I'd suggest picking a wildly different weapon
Yeah this is definitely something I've been considering. I don't think I've ever given a good many of Dark Souls 1's weapons a go. Maybe I'll try axes or hammers - or halberds or spears, seeing as I've barely ever used those.

>>150222851
there were a LOT of dragons, and a LOT of guys who took part in killing them

>>150223000
Really easy

24 Faith is Sanctus and basically every useful utility miracle, 30 for WoG and buffs if you want

>>150222786
what happens?

>>150222692
Ornstein and Smough were supra badasses, but the players were required to defeat them to prove that they were worthy of the Lordvessel. If neither of them were bested by the players, it feels as if the devs just canonically invalidated one of the players' biggest achievements in the games.

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>>150222826

>>150223190
how was Ornstein in DaS1 even an illusion in the first place? He drops Ornstein's unique soul. Did Ornstein split his soul upon departing, or something?

>>150223087
figured they were all pretty much wiped out after that one DS1 cutscene where they show them getting killed up

>>150222091
It really was. It was completely fucking retarded.
>Gwyndolin can make illusions as powerful as the real deal complete with illusionary souls
>Chooses to make an illusion of a notorious executioner instead of Artorias or any of the Four Knights or a renowned figure like Havel or some shit

It was a retarded justification for the idea that the Old Dragonslayer was Ornstein - which Memeahacki then made canon *but in such a way that it confirmed the Dragonslayer wasn't Ornstein so you really have to wonder why he fuck he bothered in the first place* (and there's also the implication that fucking Smough was an illusion now as well).

What >>150223190 is very true.

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>>150223000
>How easy is it to do a miracle using knight in DaS1
Here's my SL125 cleric build with pve setup.
Can be used for pvp as well if you switch to poise-effective set with fastroll and crown of dusk.

>>150222389

I'm actually quite good at DS1 PvP (indeed, it's the only game in the series that I maintain a win/loss ratio greater than 1).

DS1 PvP just isn't fun unless you do it with people you know. Otherwise it's nothing but roll-bs and deadangles, both of which are retarded "mechanics". It's gimmicky and boring.

Maybe 1 in 10 people who I fight in Oolacile Township are doing something interesting and not just trying to cheese me to death.

>>150223000

I'd take melee, then to spice it up, invest in sorcery for the utility spells and buffs (Remedy, Hush, Hidden Body, Fall Control, Chameleon, Hidden Weapon, MW/GMW/CMW). 16 INT and the Oolacile Ivory Catalyst covers a lot of spells, has decent MagAdj, and is barely any stat/weight investment.

>>150222702
It's not too bad. For pve, early game is kinda shit because you're just using raw weapons. But once you get good damage out of your miracles it's good
In PvP it isn't too bad either. A lot of people don't know how to counter sunlight spears.
>>150223190
Yeah, I can't help but feel it pissed all over one of the best moments in DaSI.
Not to mention, that it was pretty cool how you could kill all of the four knights.

>>150222917
what if he found what he looked for in archdragon peak?
maybe he found enlightenment and turned into a dragon, like the dragon torso stone

>>150223336
Almost every single one of the Archdragons was wiped out then, yes. But there were related and similar creatures (possibly descendents) like wyverns, drakes, basilisks and other serpents, and slaying them was a pretty big deal too. Ornstein's trophy room is full of drake heads, and Knight King Rendal was renowned for a drake.

>>150223334

My theory is that since it's canon in the Souls universe that Souls can be departed from a user without the original holder of them dying, Ornstein when he set off to find the Nameless King gave a large part or even all of his soul to Gwyndolin to fuel the illusion guarding the Lordvessel. Smough is definitely real though as his weapons and set in 3 states.

>>150223315
why are they not fixing this shit

>>150223475

I wish they made Gough and Ciaran less of a pushover.

Like I get that Ciaran is an assassin, not a warrior, but still.

>>150223439
>I'm actually quite good at DS1 PvP
>it's the only game in the series that I maintain a win/loss ratio greater than 1
You just confirmed it's the most skill based pvp in the series

>>150223582
then wouldn't it stand to reason that Ornstein would be hollowed, since he gave up his soul?

>>150223356
but anon, Gwyndolin DID make an illusion of one of the 4 Knights. Ornstein was the illusion, Smough was real

>>150223638
Can Ciaran backstab you?

>>150223334

The answer is that Souls lore doesn't actually make any cohesive sense and you shouldn't think about it too hard.

I also think the illusion thing is just bullshit, fwiw.

I had a nightmare that they were going to shut down the Dark Souls server and that would somehow prevent everyone from ever playing it again and so everyone gathered at Anor Londo as we watched the rest of the world crumble around us while all singing Bridget O'Malley.

>>150223190
unless, of course, it turns out that the majority of Ornstein's power was put into the illusion, and the real deal Ornstein that was left behind is a hollow shell of what he once was

>>150223613
because they actually want you to go back to Dark Souls 2

>>150223759

Probably, all NPCs that use the player model can backstab.

>>150223582
>Smough is definitely real though as his weapons and set in 3 states
But it doesn't.
His shit in 3 states he was the last knight defending the cathedral - but 1 was very explicit that he wasn't a knight because he was too cruel.

>>150223704
But that's still fucking retarded. Why make one illusion and then use the mongoloid executioner when you could just make an illusion of all four knights?

I'm a tryhard 2HUGS sword using fagtron

which weapon should I use against the nameless king?

I'm using Lothric Knight's right now for muh roleplaying but it seems like it may not be the best choice

>>150223893
Silver Knights can backstab you, too.

>can become powerful as fuck
>still can't get past a statue

>>150223783
EPIC story bro! XD

Btw "homie", you protect our fair maiden from any of those vile casual scrubs who would seek to cause her harm?

>>150224012

And the rapier Balder Knights.

>>150223875
>going back to a game with even worse phantom range issues

>>150223935
1 states that Smough wanted to be a Knight, but that Ornstein didn't let him. When Ornstein skips town, what happens?

>why make an illusion of 1 instead of an illusion of all 4
because it's implied that Gwyndolin needed Ornstein's soul to make that illusion, because the illusion drops Ornstein's soul. Without such a battery, he's limited to 1 HP illusions like Gwynevere. Artorias, Ciaran, and Gough had all met their fate in Oolacile, and so Gwyndolin didn't have their souls to work with

>>150223704

>then wouldn't it stand to reason that Ornstein would be hollowed, since he gave up his soul?

He might've gone hollow by the time he reached Archdragon Peak, but it would likely take a while. Even after splitting up his soul Gwyn only got hollow from burning for so long.

>>150223935

>His shit in 3 states he was the last knight defending the cathedral - but 1 was very explicit that he wasn't a knight because he was too cruel.

No, Smough was only not a part of Gwyn's Four Knights, which he wanted to be, due to his tendencies.

Has anyone else ever co-opped the Abyss Watchers and when the first form was killed, it counted as the boss dying for you but not the host?

I was sent home with sun medals and my share of souls halfway through while the host was still taking damage from an invisible enemy

If gywndolin could make an illusion as good as ornstein, why didn't he just make loads of illusory champions to burn for the flame?
Or better yet, make an illusion of the first flame.

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>>150222917
>Ornstein's armor didn't come with the plume because it was his actual hair
>yfw it makes sense

>>150223671

>You just confirmed it's the most skill based pvp in the series

Lol no. I just have several hundreds of hours in DS1 and less than 100 in each of 2 and 3. I like DS1 overall more than the other games so it's only natural that I have a lot more experience in the PvP. That doesn't make it good.

Also, being skill-based doesn't directly translate to being good. If it's not fun and boasting variety then it's not good.

>>150223759

Probably, but I've never let her do it. NPCs will never bs you unless you're running away from them.

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>>150224091
>kill four powerful beings to get around a pile of rubble on a road

>360 controller dies mid-duel
>immediately jump into action and attempt to use kb/m for the first time ever
>realize my last action with my controller was toggling off my GS of glory to regen stamina
>fighting with LKLS, empty offhand
>immediately assume wasd moves, works
>accidentally hit Q
>okay well that's how i lock-on
>dodge, sprint, and backstep are all done with spacebar
>"F" two-hands
>spend rest of fight destroying guy with nothing but two-handed R1s because I don't know how to WA, jump attack, or anything else
>win

god i bet that guy is mad as fuck.

anyone got any double A's? im out

>>150223964
Ultra Gutsword has the best moveset imo

>>150224163
see >>150224135

My theory is that to make a badass illusion, you need some of the original to work with as a power source. Without it, he's got nothing to work with

>>150224256
A lot of my circle have thousands of hours across all the souls games, and DaS1 is the only redeemable one. For every issue in DaS1, there are multiple present in the other games, that have no real counter or solution

>>150224110
To a game where you could poise through things and with enough functioning armor that weaker weapons like straight swords would be punished for trying to wail into you when you're swinging a claymore.

>>150224135

So the real Ornstein is running around without a soul? Please.

Just accept that the whole illusion thing is tenuous at best (like a lot of things in Souls) and move on.

>>150223964
Try the proFUNed greatsword, it's what I killed NK with on my big weapons dude.

I've never done any gimmicky builds in any of souls games aside from a dedicated Iron Tarkus cosplay character in DS1, a bunch of pure casters, and a Belmont run in DS1+2.
What's some stuff I should definitely try out for once?
Are there any spears that aren't complete garbage? I'd love to try out an extremely tanky shield 'n spear dude for once.

Are there any weapons like the Blueblood sword or Northern Regalia in DS3, or anything that's even remotely similar?

>>150224569
>So the real Ornstein is running around without a soul? Please
why is that so hard to accept? I guarantee that you, the player, does the same thing for 90%+ of the game

anyone here up for some anal londo coop please?
sl 47 here, pc

>>150224349
They really improved KB+M controls. They're much more like how you'd expect them to be.

>>150224748
which one

>>150224558
ds2 has the most powerful longswords in series
they could do 800-900 damage per simple r1r1 and had much better movesets in series
they were shitting all over greatswords as well and with stone ring they were shitting all over the remnants of poise left in ds2
take this revisionist bullshit away from here

>>150224335
Deep.

>>150224802
>which one
the one with aldrich

Would the Greatsword of Judgment be any good with 18 str 18 dex 60 int?

Now can some motherfucker explain to me why items held is so limited in DS3?

Like what the fuck is the actual point of that? Did they somehow figure consumable items were too overpowered because a jap on cocaine dominated a fight club with fire bombs or some shit?

>>150224946
Hackazaki probably wanted item burden back, but everyone told him it was dumb.
So what we got is probably a compromise.

>>150224890
ok

>>150224812
Did it really have the most powerful longswords?
I never bothered to use anything but maces and (ultra)greatswords.
The mace is too strong to not use in DS2.

>>150224946
no fun allowed anon

>>150224946
because divine blessings got spammed in dark souls 1

literally every stupid design decision in the series has been "because it was a problem in dark souls 1"

>>150224349
Heavy attack is shift+mouse1 , L2 is shift+mouse 2, jump attack is forward+mouse 2, lock-on is in middle mouse. You change weapons by shift+mousewheel.

It's weird but works.

>>150224923

No, if you want any amount of INT while doing decent damage go 40 STR/40 INT. Though the GS of Judgement works best as a quality weapon using jut the bare amount of INT to meet the requirements.

>>150224638
Strength/Vit turtlepoking builds are very good fun imo.

Dragonslayer Spear, Partizan, Winged Spear are the three best spears in-game for one-handed use. Havel's Greatshield is all you need, however it is a bit heavy. Next best option in terms of effectiveness per weight is the Black Iron Greatshield.

If you imbue that with fire, you have 99.5% block against it.

LK Spear is amzing for Two-Handed use because of the range of its R2s.

>>150225116
im at the pontiff bonfire, pw is dsg

>>150224890
sign up at the bonfire
you are using 'dsg' pass right?

unless you mean from pontiff

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>>150225223
>Though the GS of Judgement works best as a quality weapon using jut the bare amount of INT to meet the requirements.

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>>150222478
>always wanted to make it into screencaps
>no matter how many posts I've made over the years I hardly ever said something stupid or good enough to make it into one
>only been in three of these things
>going to forever be marked for making this one when I didn't even expect it

It's a weird feeling

>>150223000
You're talking about DS1 right?
Have you ever played around with the Scythe?
It's pretty easy to get before even entering the burg.
Just do a few practice runs with a high level character so you know where it's located, then run straight to the scythe on a fresh character while skipping all the enemies.
It's one of the strongest dex-scaling weapons while also being pretty different.

>>150224946
I think it's to deter players from being one trick ponies and pay some modicum of attention to their gear choices.

>>150225141
mace was shit for pvp in ds2
longsword, warped sword and estoc were shitting all over the rest of ds2 weaponry
a robflynn resin-buffed estoc on 40 str could do around 850 per 1hr2-r2
longswords were absolutely bumblefuck retarded, they had outrageous phantom range, they had best movesets in series, anyone complaining about longswords in ds3 should look at ds2 ones and understand the true horror

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>>150225270
I'm here

>>150225557
>pvp
Oh I see.

>>150224646

>why is that so hard to accept?

Because it's a stupid idea, and you're just making up bullshit to cover up your other bullshit.

So how did Gwyndolin take Ornstein's soul to power an illusion Ornstein without killing him, huh? I'd love to hear some more made up headcanon, please tell me.

>I guarantee that you, the player, does the same thing for 90%+ of the game

Losing your humanity =/= losing your soul. Something only loses its soul when it dies, and since you are Undead, you cannot die.

The most plausible explanation is: Ornstein was real when DS1 came out, then he was retconned into an illusion. Stuff like his soul dropping doesn't make sense because the Souls games are works of fiction and they don't really have to.

>>150225557
Were longswords always top tier in dasII? I was only really active during release, but I can't remember it being all that popular. The main things I remember were powerstanced avelyns, mundane dagger, monastery scim and santiers spear.

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>>150225620
lmao i took ur fukkin ur job

get WREKT sun

>>150225697
longsword running r1 was absurd with the ds2 phantom range

>>150225620
aight ill get you, just summoned another anon aswell

>>150225770
baka man not cool

>>150225620
>>150225935

cant find your sign anon

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>DS2; Strike damage is king in PvE
>FUGS is Slash/Thrust

>DS3: Thrust is comfy, slash is nice
>FUGS is pure strike

>>150224812
>800-900 damage per simple r1r1
You're full of shit.

What stats should have to get to best use of the storm curved sword. Im running 30 str and 40 Dex right now

>>150225697
longswords were ridiculous from the beginning
it took some time to notice them because there was a bunch of FOTM shit though

>>150226061
RobFlyn with a resin could easily pull that anon.

>>150220839
Someone get that bitch a sandwich. Please.

>>150226025
the tip of the FUG should count as slash while the actual black rock should be strike.

>>150224638
I'm making a Demon's Souls throwback run in DS3 as Alfred and Metas, Knight of the Tower and Knight of the Lance.

You could do a complete gimmick run like Skelwton wheel run or a shield only run.

>>150225671
>how did Gwyndolin take Ornstein's soul wihout killing him?
Are you fucking stupid or something? You're really asking this question when we have confirmation that Souls can be freely split and given away while the owner is still breathing? How, exactly, do you think that the 4Kings and Seath got their Lord Soul Shards from Gwyn? What do you think the Pygmy did to create the race of Humans?

>Losing your humanity =/= losing your soul. Something only loses its soul when it dies, and since you are Undead, you cannot die.
You managed to be wrong 2 times in 2 sentences, that's impressive. One, a human's humanity IS their soul. That's why they lose their human form and become beef jerky upon losing their humanity.

Second, respawning =/= immortality. You die, extremely often, as an Undead, and lose any humanity (your Soul) upon doing so. Or did you just close your eyes and ignore the huge fucking YOU DIED message every time it popped up.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so I'm not going to dedicate any more time to responding to your bait. Consider the conversation over. You can pretend that you "won" now.

Holy shit, sorry ayylmao.

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>Invades
>Sees I'm alone
>Leaves
Not the hero we deserve but the hero we need

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>kill Hosts phantom
>Host runs all the way back while I'm killing the phantom to summon another one
>lose to them because I ran out of Estus

Why are Hosts such fucking pussies? You shouldn't be able to just go and summon phantoms once you've been invaded

>>150220796
>they include Petrus
>No Domhnall

>>150224638
I'm making a Demon's Souls throwback run in DS3 as Alfred and Metas, Knight of the Tower and Knight of the Lance.

You could do a complete gimmick run like Skeleton wheel/torch hollow run or a shield only run.

Shaded Woods and Brightstone Cove Tseldora are the ugliest locations in Souls history. Miyazaki would never allow such thing.

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>>150219045
Did you try switching your weapon to the wambo setting?

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>>150226025

>don't want to make a FUGS build in 3 because the moveset is far worse then in 2 even discounting the comparatively low damage it has
>think of going back to 2 to make one
>remember the THIRTY FUCKING DEX requirement it has

What's a melee that's fun to use and does decent damage with crystal infusion? Pure int.

>>150226419
A man with a mission
No innocents need to die for it anon

>>150226517
Sinman wasnt part of the Firelink Crew

>>150226353
>>150226528
>or a shield only run.
I know that the spiked shield in Demon's Souls could do a profane amount of damage if upgraded well, but do any of the shields in DS3 actually do any decent damage?

>armor spider
who the fuck designed this silly boss lmao

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>>150226604
>Sinman wasnt part of the Firelink Crew

u wot m8

>>150220083
For it is their fate...

>>150226604
Domhnall moved to Firelink.

>>150226641
Havel's greatshield has C scaling in strength when +5'd.

Greatshield of Glory has higher base damage but does have the shield bash WA. I've hit 300 with it.

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>>150226096
REPLY YOU USELESS IGNORANT SLAVES

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>>150226225
Only against awful builds without int/faith. R1 has no modifier and does around 230~300 damage depending on enemy armor. Infused it's 250~330. Not even close to what you said. R2s could do a lot more damage, but you'd need a buffed infused dark longsword for that much damage.

>>150226790
>>150226831
>>150226604

oh ffs i got him confused with whatshisface, the maniacal laughing dude

I always forget the peddler because of his awkward positioning

i'm prepared for (you)'s

>tfw want to make a ranger build in DaS3 but 2h animations are ugly as fuck unlike das2

i want to hold my longsword at a cant please

>>150223336
have you played the games or nah? there's a bunch of dragons still lying around. not the real everlasting deal but dragons whatsoever. reminder that ds3 treats optional bosses as alive at the end of ds1, so kalameet (actually confirmed) and and gaping are still alive

How to be a douche

>gank someone
>2v1
>no duels
>use estus when about to die
>when host is going to estus, ask your friend to damage him

Congratulations, you are a cancer.

>>150227057
Oswald of Carim.

>>150227136
>>>reddit

>>150223315
im calling lagbased bullshit. why does the host go near the red?

how fun are pure archery builds for running through the game in DaS3, now that we're limited to 99 arrows at a time?

>>150227117
>have you played the games or nah?
yeah, i just thought that seeing as how we were lead to believe that practically all the dragons got fucked up in the opening cutscene of DS1, that there wouldn't be enough left for someone to kill so many as to be dubbed dragonslayer
>reminder that ds3 treats optional bosses as alive at the end of ds1, so kalameet
interesting, wasn't aware of this
i kind of want them to bring back kalameet for the dlc now, if only to experience that sweet telekinesis again

Shit Souls 3
Memehackazaki

>>150227405
Remember that you have two slots. Four if you carry a backup crossbow.

>>150227117
>>150227459

the only bosses that are confirmed to be alive are Priscilla and Gwyndolin, so I'd still consider Kalameet and the others dead, unless explicitly shown otherwise

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>>150227568
>Gwyndolin
not anymore

>>150227136
>honourfags

Get fucked

>>150227405
I'm actually in the process of making a ranger-archetype build that hybridizes melee and ranged combat.

bows are pretty good, but you need to have an absolutely ludicrous 60 dex investment for non-greatbows to do good damage.

You can have 99 of each arrow type. Adjust your quiver to whatever it is your fighting. Fire against slimes, weak arrows against common enemies on your way to the boss room, and heavy arrows or whatever arrows the boss is weak to.

Use Dark Arrows for PvP since they have insane tracking.

HOLY SHIT THE CAMERA AGAINST THE NAMELESS KING IS SO SHIT

>>150221445
I like Lautrec and I wish it was possible to stay buddies with him for the entire game.

>>150227738
I had meant "Alive as of the end of the events of DaS1"

for all we know, Priscilla's corpse will be found in the ruins of the painted world, in the dlc

speaking of which, DLC WHEN

>>150226337
tip should e standard

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>>150227738
Imagine Gwyndolin being strapped naked and abused in front of the whole city and then tossed into aldrich

>>150227825
Just don't tell him about the pyromancy.

Hey, anyone seen this video yet?
https://youtu.be/5s7GXnX0lSM
It's quite a sight to behold, really.

>>150227568
kalameet is dead as fuck but died after ds1

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>>150227937
No.

>>150227974
You're the same guy who forgot who were Oswald and Domhnall up there, right?

>>150220838
fuck off, ds2 had the best invasions
>estus disabled for phantoms when an invader is present
>can be invaded in completed areas and while hollow
>working justice covenant
>working area defender covenant
>giant seed present but rare as fuck

>>150227974
You're thinking about Laurentius, anon

>>150228069
LOL RANDUM XDDD

Neck yourself you repulsive faggot

>>150228186
>>150221590
>>150221212

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT GIANT CENTIPEDE
WHY DOES IT SHOOT LIGHTNING
WHAT'S EVEN SHOOTING FUCKING BOLTS AT ME
HOW DO I DO THIS

>>150228092
No, he died way back in the past, during the fall of Oolacile, killed at the hand of the Chosen Undead

Is this the cringiest thing to apmost have made into a Souls game?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M94DZSEE1kw

>>150227802
unlock

>>150228069
quite shit, but the peruser got me good

So people on /v/ have been saying that the DaS3 dlc will include Ice Magic. Is this true?

>>150228445
not cringy, just bad
i'm glad it didn't make it in

>>150228568
it is likely

>>150228092
Nah, because Oolacile = darkroot and you find no Kalameet there, not to mention Hawk ring stating Gough did hit him, Kalameet died somewhere during 1, even if not by CU's hands

>bosses are easy as fuck
>regular enemies have obnoxious numbers and placement

B team pls

I hate how every time I beat a boss I have to kill myself so I don't get invaded by some shitter

I don't want to go offline because I like messages and seeing ghost images of other players, I just don't get why the game can't give you a consumable ember instead of applying it to you automatically

>tfw cursekilled Aldrich 17 times today before rekking whiny scrub duelfaggots
>tfw even destroyed a bunch of fc fags before their circlejerk could even get started

Eat shit cucks, there's more where that came from

>>150228661
We're going to Londor in the dlc, right? What are the odds that those Velka-affiliated hollows have an entryway to the Painted World tucked away somewhere?

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Alright boys, its that time again. Battle on the Big Bridge, PC FC, drop your signs at the top of the stairs. Password dsg

Lets hope that kekyoin poster doesn't try to shut me down again

>>150228817
Do you use summons or invade yourself? If not, you shouldn't be invaded except for area covenants

>>150228871
What's the curse id stat in ds3?

>>150228871
Do a youtube video pls

>>150228380
Run behind it and hide behind the little hill thing

EzyPzywaytooCheezy

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>>150228568
>new status effect
>has a neat effect on the environment
>only 3 weapons utilize it

I hope killing people with ice magic leaves frost statues of them similar to how curse statues worked in DS1
>yfw curse statue in a place without basilisks

>>150228871
>tfw still trying to learn how to CE reach Aldrich

I'll still begin assisting you soon

>>150229084
Ice magic will most likely work similarly to Abyss magic in DaS1

physical damage, but with frostbite buildup on the side

>Ashen pyromancy flame: the coating of ash turns the heat of this pyromancy flame cool. Use to cast ice magic

>>150228871
Sl ?

>>150229084
>new status effect

What did Frostbite even do? I only ever noticed that it took a tiny fraction of my health. It was like a shitty version of bleed

>>150229307
slows down stamina regen

>>150226354

>You're really asking this question when we have confirmation that Souls can be freely split and given away while the owner is still breathing?

Except Gwyn only gave away small fragments of his soul, not his entire soul, and nobody really knows what happened to the Pygmy - maybe he/she was annihilated, maybe became Manus, we don't know. What you're suggesting has no solid precedent.

Maybe Ornstein gave up a fragment of his soul, Gwyn-style. Then the "Soul of Ornstein" is really just a fragment, and he's more of a badass than DS1 lets on (ie. the illusion was really a fraction of his real operating power). It's all retcon of course, but it makes more sense than him giving up his entire soul. I still think the whole thing's retarded of course.

>a human's humanity IS their soul. That's why they lose their human form and become beef jerky upon losing their humanity.

It's never outright explained precisely what the soul and humanity are, but it's implied that they are similar, but different concepts. The game never directly equates the two and neither should you. To do so is outright making shit up (but that wouldn't be new for you, would it?)

>Second, respawning =/= immortality. You die, extremely often, as an Undead, and lose any humanity (your Soul) upon doing so.

That's what the undead curse is - you can never really die, you always come back. When you "die", you lose your humanity and any souls you are carrying (essentially, your wallet). The strength of your soul (ie. your stats) is left completely intact.

If you truly lost your soul upon death, dying would put you back at SL1. That's what leveling up is - adding the power of other souls to your own in order to become stronger. See, even the game mechanics demonstrates how humanity and souls are not the same.

look, im sorry, ive never died to aldrich before, but ive also never tried a mage.
this is really embarrassing for me

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>>150228871
Why though?

>>150228941
Bump. C'mon Burgerland friends, over here in Aloha Island It's still early, but it should be the right time for y'all.

>>150228753
>Hawk ring stating Gough did hit him
cool, didn't know that. i guess you're right then. always thought he had somehow survived

>dying constantly on co-op character trying to get to second lothric bonfire

anyone else ever played like an absolute fucking retard for no reason at all? I just lost 6k souls and died to a lothric knight and I literally just left firelink

>>150228915
Yellow Pilgrim shows us the way.
Please no Painted World though. Winter atmosphere would be okay though.

>>150227760

Is it just me or are bows WICKED fucking good in DS3? I never really used them in DS2 but they seem to shit all over DS1 bows.

>>150229335
The Four Knights were rewarded their powerful souls by Gwyn. Presumably those souls were a reward for services they had already carried out - and in order to carry those out, they probably had their own souls beforehand. I don't really like the idea the other anon is proposing, but in the case of giving away his soul, Ornstein could have left the soul he was rewarded/the portion of his own soul that became, but still have had his original soul.

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Where the hell can I find the Dark Souls 2 Design Works in high-res that includes the DLC stuff?

>>150228941

Coming if you drop me a fully upgraded Great Wooden Hammer.

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>>150229642
DS3 shortbows are probably the best bows in series thanks to running and rolling attacks and WA. Basically physical version of farron darts. Shame about longbows though, they are shit. Greatbows are once against great for knocking people off the ledges.

>>150229691
You drive a hard bargain.

okay what in the absolute fuck is my deal today

this is the fourth time i've died to this lothric knight trying to kill him just like any other time

i keep constantly getting whiffed parries whenever i've farmed 99 embers from post-dancer knights several times

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>Tfw you get the symbol of avarice at the very first mimic in DS3.

>>150224812
I have never seen a longsword be at all significant in terms of damage outside of the Tanimura shuffle, and I played the Network Test,.

alright anor londo guy, it's pretty late here
good luck

>>150229579
Just use the dragon shortcut.

Anyone willing to help me kill the Nameless King? I am tired of this camera meme.

Sl70, PC. Pass is dsg.

Do I really only get one chance to kill the Forlorn?

>>150229961
That + firelink exploit for silver serpent ring = win

>>150230048
alright, still thanks for the help m8

>enemy switches to offhand caestus
gee I wonder what he's going to do next

>>150229650

I'm not too well versed on this part of the lore, but afaik the only people who got a piece of Gwyn's soul were the Four Kings and Seath, and the Four Knights got those sweet animal rings instead. Can you point out something that indicates otherwise?

>>150229950
Are you using a small shield or a medium one?

>>150230197
dual wield the caestus so his weapon is sheathed on his back for maximum RP comfiness

>>150230085
i killed him without taking any damage this time

i dont fuckin get it mang

>>150230271
i'm not using any shield

>>150230238

Right, misread. Not a piece of Gwyn's soul per se, but some kind of awarded soul separate from their own. Is that supported ingame?

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>>150230157
Nevermind.

Of course he's immune to poison.

>>150230197
>enemy is using non-shitter weapon
>using non-shitter weapon and hitting him a fair amount
>he switches to 2kat
>still kill him
why bother learning a non-shitter weapon if you are going to run to your crutch

>>150226096
base stats, maybe even use rings. With its r1r1WA spam youll kill anyone you come across at a low level, beyond low level its shit.

>>150230380

Just looked it up:

>Special beings have special souls. Lord Gwyn granted this soul to his four most trusted knights.

Okay, no idea where said souls came from, but I'll roll with it.

>>150230470
You're making me feel bad for when I whip out my straight sword against certain opponents.

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>>150229964
An estoc could reach those numbers on a simple robflynn or rob+highlevel mundane and longswords had even higher damage output per r1 so it was entirely possible.
Not even in DS3 i can reach even close to those ridiculous numbers on pure physical builds.

>>150230197
The only reason I have an off hand Caestus is for Sheating my Claymore. It's pretty comfy

>no invincibility when opening doors/pulling levers

FUCK OFF

>>150230470
>Cosplay/themed build
>Below meta weapon, example: cathedral knight with G.Mace
>Gets low
>CCS comes out to play
EVERY TIME

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>>150229536
We have two. Can we get a few more?

>>150230641
No crutches in this game, anon. It's time to get gud.

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What is the best message you've seen across the series?

>>150230661
I'll be there in a few minutes, finishing up a few things first

>>150230197
>Hollow build
>Off-hand Caestus is Hollow-infused
>Occasionally love-tap my opponent for 200-300 with caestus

Feels good desu
Only other reason i have caestus' in off-hand is weight reasons, my FUGS guy is at 69% with caestus and he needs the simple regen

>>150230661
i might come in a while if i don't fall asleep

>>150230548
Yeah, you found the bit I was refering to. No, it doesn't say their souls came from Gwyn's himself, but it's more than likely they came from him seeing as we know he split his soul: the Four Kings and Seath both have parts of his soul, and his own soul description says he split it out even further amongst the gods.

>>150230582
>played DaS2 ever since it came out
>never got a Warlock Mask or Mad Warrior Mask drop

>>150230717
patches emote above the fire keeper saying "are you ready?, time for rear"

it's stupid but the patches emote and reading it in his voice really sold it

>>150230717

I know it's cliche but I always like the skeleton messages.

Saw one next to a wagon wheel that said "visions of skeleton, round". I giggled.

>>150230717
>"Something amazing behind"
>walk around wall
>message reads "Something Amazing"

had 4k likes

>>150230834
I'm not really complaining about people using it. It's just they could try and be more discreet for when they are going to parry.

>>150229335
>Perhaps human souls, BECAUSE of their humanity, produce sorceries with a more tangible presence. -- Dark Orb (DaS1 version)
Human Souls definitively contain Humanity, anon. This is why they are inherently creatures of the Dark, because fragments of the Dark Soul are welded to them from the get-go.

They cannot sustain themselves without it (such as it vacating your body upon death), and thus hollow.

It's also unclear as to how much "white" souls are present in non-undead humans at all -- it could be that normie humans exclusively have Humanity beating within them, and the presence of White Souls in their bodies must be artificially thrust upon them by bonfire or levelup waifu.

Whatever the case may be, claiming that Humanity isn't an integral component of a human soul is ignorant. You are better than this.

>>150230862
>ultra weapon
>10 endurance

nice

>>150230717
>sign next to solaire
>Weakness: Bug

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>>150230898
I farmed everything i needed for my turtle legit way and it was the most painful farming shitshow i ever had displeasure to witness in the entire series.

>>150230717
In demon's souls.
>quite something ahead
>it's some spice, and near it says 'told you so'

>>150230862
>DS2
>SL100
>10 End
>88 AGI

Oh me oh my

On a throw-away character I made this morning, I found both the black knight sword and black knight halberd. What makes the latter so good when the former scales better with strength (and requiring more strength to two hand than the BKS needs for one hand, I think that's a safe assumption) and weighs a ton less?

>>150230717
Those that help me find hidden shit.

>le epic tongue but hole

Kill yourself.

>>150230954
Description of humanity in Dark Souls 1 always made me think humans have both souls and humanity.

>>150230952
Honestly i feel more confident in my skills with a small shield that has the medium parry animation for some reason

>>150231467
retarded amounts of raw damage

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>>150231075
Just trying to plan different ideas out.

could some anon help me giving a ring to another character?

>>150230717
>Could this be a you

In front of McDonnell

>>150231614
just go with 50 in every stats like all ds2 players do

>>150230954

>Human Souls definitively contain Humanity, anon.

Sure, that's pretty well-supported. See Fire Keeper Soul (DS1):

>Her soul is gnawed by infinite humanity, and can boost the power of the precious Estus Flask.

They are not one and the same though, which is what that other anon is trying to claim. I said that they are "similar but different concepts".

Your Humanity seems to be a component of your soul (or a separate quantity which is closely tied to your soul, however you want to look at it), which is more transient.

>>150230862
prepare to get rekt by any weapon, including the ivory straight sword

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Haven't played DS3 for months

Do people still bitch and moan about the Estoc?

Also DLC when?

>>150231585
Must be something to do with scaling. As a 22 str 18 dex character, BKH is doing a total of 321 whereas the BKS is doing 313. Not a huge difference for a weapon that requires you to go further out of your way to get and takes so much more just to be able to use. But then again I'm a devout sword and board man, so needing to two-hand is a bigger deal to me than others probably.

>>150231878

Yes.

FC is dead?

>>150231614
let me teach you some stuff, buddy
in this build, you're not using any sorcery/miracle/pyromancy right
therefore, in this build, the stats you absolutely do not need are int, fth, and atn
therefore you should start with bandit class, which has the lowest amount of int+fth+atn

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Is there an order for the dlcs in sotfs?
do i have to beat the game first? i don´t think there´s a lot left, i just got to the castle

>>150231467

BKH has superior reach and damage. It also has a better moveset (imo). BKS R2's are literally unusable, and their R1s are nothing special.

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I haven't played Demon's.
What the fuck is this? Is this some kind of DeS meme?
The rest of that search phrase is "naturally".

>>150232045
Ill join if someone hosts