/fog/ - Fallout General

ITT

>Obsidicuk: I don't like thing
>Bethesdrone: I don't like thing

FIRST FOR THE BOS IS FUCKING RETARDED

>>150153293
>Obsidicuck: I like thing but Bethesdrone ruins thing because they and their fans are fucking retarded
>Bethesdrone: lol deal w/it nerd

>>150153396
>I don't like thing

Nev Vegas fanboys just need to let go.

Weebly guy update your fucking website

>>150153556
We'll never stop fighting as long Bethesda squats on Fallout and keeps desecrating it

Fallout should have died with Interplay. No games ever again is better than the corpsefucking Bethesda does to it.

reminder that curie is real and strong and she is my waifu.

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xth for finding love and happiness in the harsh wasteland

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>>150153736
>>150153556

>>150153736
Avellone told to let go, several times.

Way to miss the point. Some fan you are.

>>150154064
>Dead Money was a metaphor for the state of the Fallout franchise

DEEPEST

>>150154018
Shut up Dogmeat.

>>150154182
you can't undo the past

>>150153102
Hey guys. Autistic settlement decorating anon here, looking for some new settlement mods (currently have homemaker and snap n build)
What settlement mods do you reccomend?
>inb4 memecraft

So how lame will nukaworld end up being?

>>150154371

I recommend deleting homewrecker

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How can we fix Fallout 4?

>>150154474
We know precisely fuckall about it, so nobody can say.

>>150154474

5

Uptodate list of required mods GO

How many fo4 esps are you running, /fog/? I'm at 173 now

>>150154610
Delete the whole thing and start from scratch?

> New engine
> Add RPG Elements
> Add actual choices to dialog
> change the way AI reacts to you (IE the raider hide out where you meet cait, EI why does a raider see through my full raider outfit that fully hides my face....)
> Stop reusing ideas from 1 and 2 and make your fucking own?
> etc etc, do I really have to go on?

>>150154474
Realistically? It'll probably be good but nowhere near good enough for it to be the last DLC.

>>150154782
damn, I thought 167 was high. Dump yours I'll dump mine?

>>150154610
Give it to Sawyer and Avellone.
Bethesda need to go back to making souless fantasy games. They can't make games for a thinking man.

>>150154949
>
> change the way AI reacts to you (IE the raider hide out where you meet cait, EI why does a raider see through my full raider outfit that fully hides my face....)
They don't, however, all raider clans are at war with each other, it doesn't matter if your dressed up as a raider, your not one of their raiders.

>>150154506
Why for?

>>150154949
>> Stop reusing ideas from 1 and 2 and make your fucking own?
because a continuation of a series should just be something wildly fucking different.

>>150155069
>Implying Self insert Avellone and "more blunt the a club" Sawyer can write things that require thining

>>150155215
This is what I always found funny

This
>MAKE UP UR OWN SHIT!
argument totally ignores that its a fucking game series.

Its like saying to the TES games
>THEY NEED TO STOP HAVING THE DEADRA, THE 10 PLAYABLE RACES, TAMRIEL, AND WE NEED TO GET NEW IDEAS!
Its like, if you get rid of all that, what makes it a fucking TEs game at that point

>>150155106
> Kill a raider out side
> Wear raiders clothing to the full that covers up everything on me making me fully look like said raider I just killed
> Walk inside to raiders whom this raider would be apart of
> Shot at instantly because they see though my ruse

Yeah right.

>>150155215
>>150155417

It was more about enclave, brotherhood of steel, super mutants etc. Things that shouldn't be all over the place, are. Because.... reasons....

>>150155439
>Wear raiders clothing to the full that covers up everything on me making me fully look like said raider I just killed
>Implying clothing is the only thing thats visibly distinguishing
>forgetting things like how you walk, and how you hold yourself

>>150155547
because the continental united states is completely and utterly impassible.

>>150155602
But animations are all the same??????? Besides, I can just be standing there and they'll attack.

>>150155439
>travelling, living and raiding with a tight knit group of 10
>implying you wouldn't notice some stranger wearing your friends clothes

>>150155547
>It was more about enclave
Except we know from Fallout 2 that the Enclave had bases all over America.

> brotherhood of steel
The Brotherhood of Steel formed an empire spanning the Midwest, that was the size of the NCR as it is NOW, decades before the NCR got even all of California under its control.

The BoS were long the most mobile and spread out faction long before Bethesda got a hold of the series.

>super mutants
This is the only thing that can be remotely considered valid, but even then, BEthesda made their own super mutants, and didn't just reuse the Master's.

>>150155215
>>150155417
I think he meant stop using the brotherhood and enclave and supermutants and make up your own shit. It was fucking lazy for Bethesda to put all that stuff on the east coast. There could have been something new there, but they had to reuse even the plot from the first two.

>>150155772
>There are supermutants on the east coast
>But why? Only the master made supermutants
>S-Shut up they're different

>>150155417
But you don't need to get rid of those things to bring in new ideas.

You stop using them as a crutch because you've fallen in a slump and become creatively stagnant.

>>150155439
You also have a pipboy on your wrist.

Which makes me wonder how the fuck the Courier got away with disguising as a Legionnaire.

>>150155779
You are aware Fallout 3 was deliberately designed to be a soft reboot of the series because it had been effectively dead for a decade and no one outside a small group of people knew anything about what was in previous Fallout game.

Like, the whole point was that it was made for new people, and so Bethesda could
>"ok, see all this shit, this is most of the shit you missed from the first two games"

But even then, Fallout 3 and its DLC had a number of new factions and organizations.

>>150156009
>The third in a series is a reboot
Are you retarded?

>>150155770
Sure you would. But not instantly at a distance like they do.

> Walk anywhere within visual range
> Might as well have a big neon sign above head

>>150155770
Worked in New Vegas

>>150155779
>>150155923
I mean, at that point why not just kill FO off entirely and make your own post-apocalyptic game?

>>150156071
Are you actually arguing that FO wasn't effectively dead before 3 came out?

>>150155917
>But why? Only the master made supermutants
>S-Shut up they're different
Its actually more like
>basic logic dictates that no one would be stupid enough to keep all of their super solider serum/testing in one place in order to rpevent self-confirmation bias that could end the project before it was fully explored
>This gives us a logical out as to why super mutants could be on the east coast, and allows us to make a new kind of super mutant in the process

check this out
fallout in alaska

>no brotherhood
>probably enclave
>snow?
>mutated bears

>>150156007
at a distance and even so, they might think you acquired some new gear?

>>150156071
What part of SOFT reboot do you not understand?

>>150156009
>>150156071
To add onto this, none of the factions really interact with each other. There's no point in them being there. And when they are, it's for a ridiculous reason.
>>150156130
Actually, troika, a team of ex interplay employes would have bought it, so no. And that's not an excuse for it being retarded
>>150156137
It's more like lazy writing

>>150156223
raiders split the loot and the leader gets the best shit. Even if they think you are who you are pretending to be, they're going to be pissed you got new shit without telling everyone else.

The overgrowth mod is so nice.

Ive heard people complain about it saying it ruins the point of fallout, but color is definitely better and after 200 years shit wouldve grown back. If you guys havent used it I wouls suggest looking it up at the very least. It makes everything seem so much better.

>>150156009
It was more they way they impalement it and the think and shitty story lines behind it all.

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>make a new character with no intentions of building/MM shit
>end up making a massive complex in sanctuary

>>150156320
>well this might have happened so no
>being retarded
what.
the brand was dead. I've never even heard of Troika (literally who).
So let's see this Troika FO. I'm curious how shit it would be.

>>150156320
>To add onto this, none of the factions really interact with each other
They shouldn't DESU.

The hamfisted reasoning using behind why every single faction in NV was pulled into the overly elaborate conspiracy theory that was the MQ was on of its biggest failings.

Riley's Rangers, the Regulators, the slavers of paradise Falls, they had ZERO reason to become part of the narrative of the BoS vs Enclave.

It would be like the Guilds of Tamriel getting involved in the affairs of the main quest, its literally not their job.

>>150156341
> corvega plant
> Raider way up high
> I'm down at the bottom
> Can hardly see what he is wearing with a sniper rifle
> Dude instantly knows it's not me as soon as he's looking in my direction and am within a certain range
> that range being a range that you may not even be able to tell if I'm a female or male dot dot dot dot dot

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There are so many fucking raiders in Fallout 4 that you wonder why the hell didn't they take over every single other settlement.
And no, it is not because "they wouldn't have things to raid then".

>>150156137
Except your don't fly out samples that important. You get another expert or experts in the fields to corroborate data.

>>150156616
Its because none of the raider clans are untied and they spend so much time fighting each other they cant take anything order.

>>150156449
Troika made VTMB. It would have bought the fallout series. You make it sound like I owe Bethesda, but I don't. It probably would have been van buren. Which would have added a lot of new features. There's an alpha somewhere, but it sucks.

>>150156647
Except the government knew there was going to be a nuclear war, and had no reason to NOT hide some samples inside one of their nuclear proof bunkers instead of keeping it in an otherwise entirely soft military base like mariposa.

>>150156680
The fact that 90% of the population is raiders with them killing each other all the time makes you wonder as to where all of these people keep coming from.....

>>150156501
NV factions are good. They have personalities and goals and relationships towards one another. That's how communities near eachother work in real life dipshit. Yeah they had zero reason to be a part of it, but this is because they're overall unimportant and useless

>>150156786
>No reason not to hide
>Same country that put its citizens in interment camps during a war because they were the wrong race
Okay

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>This is acceptable
Can anybody actually run this shit at max settings with a consistent 60+ FPS?

>>150156692
>VTMB
You mean the game that literally requires an unofficial patch to run?
Okay, my expectations hit a new low.
>Van Buren
Would've been interesting but likely would've suffered the same fate as BoS.

>>150156616
Well, here are some probable ideas I can think of:

1. The minutemen were around, when the story begins IIRC they have just died out.

2. If you think about it, there arent any real settlements until you clear them and the very few left are often being harassed by them and used by Raiders to grow their food, which they then steal.

3. Super mutants seem to always fight them as well. They would be just as lmited as anyone else when it comes to moving about

4. The institute and Synths (same as above) + maybe Synths are infiltrating them as well? Come to think of it I dont think ive ever killed a synth raider, has anyone else?

5. war between them. They arent all the same clan realistically. They would still be warring vs each other.

>>150156901
no

>>150156870
>>150156501
To add to this, dealing with the various factions in the area is a tactical move. You don't even have to if you go independent.

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>>150156889
>Thinking that racial tensions has anything to do with basic logic

If they WERE paranoid about chinese spies, then they'd be even more likely to move the FEV to many locations, so they'd decrease the odds of the chinese ruining it all

Is it cheating if I use the console to give myself some items to begin building a base? Not a lot, but enough to make a cozy place?

I just know if I do I'll go full cheat and ruin the game for myself ;_;

>>150156867
Scaling is a bitch.

Does MO2 work or should I stick with NMM?

>>150156931
>VTMB
Just because it's buggy doesn't mean it's not good
>Van buren
You've never played it. How would you know?
>>150156616
Because since most of the game revolves around shooting and exploring you need something to shoot.

>>150154474
Worse than Maxwell's World

>>150157072
Just scrap some trees and cars.

>>150156901
The game is a poorly optimized piece of shit with impractically big textures that are also poorly optimized pieces of shit.

>>150157143
>just because it's unplayable unless you haven't upgraded your PC since 2005 doesn't mean it's bad
Okay.
>How would you know
How would you know that Troika would do a better job with FO than Bethesda or Obsidian?
I mean, if we want to just assume things, we can do that.

>>150156870
>NV factions are good.
Not really, the Khans made no sense, their entire relationship with the Legion is based around them magically not knows literally everything about how the Legion works, from its slavery, to its banning of drugs, despite the fact these are things near every other NPC talks about.

Similarly, the Van Graffs, and Omertas, siding with the Legion for similar reasons is equally beyond stupid and nonsensical.

When it comes to the larger factions

-The NCR is so idiotic, and so unable to do even basic tasks like kill some giant ants, that its impossible to take them seriously.

-The Legion is literally the mustache twirling villains behind everything that the NPCs of Fallout 4 make The Institute out to be, without the revelation that most of its was actually superstition that makes such a plot believable.

-House is a massive egomaniac whose plans have constantly backfired on him, and who has constantly worked against his own goals, to the point you have to wonder if hes bipolar.

The entire Main Quest about
>HELP US WIN THIS WAR!
Is entierly negated by the fact that nothing you do besides curing Caesars tumor, and saving/killing Kimball actually contributes to the war effort in any way.

At the same time, everything that WOULD contribute to the war effor is thrown to the side and treated as unimportant.

Literally everything about New Vegas's plot and main faction is this entierly disorganized jumble of random ideas that doesn't go anywhere and doesn't make any sense, and only works on NPCs being so stupid they couldn't breathe, or so ignorant the might as well be asking what color the sky is while standing outside.

What "Weapon Sets" can you guys come up with as being justifiable or relevant to Fallout up to at least Fallout: New Vegas?

Here's an example

American Domestic/Asian Theater pre-G3/R91 and energy weapons:
Rifle: M16A2
Carbine: M4
Shotgun: Remington 870
DMR: M14
LMG: BAR
SMG: Uzi

In other words, what weapons do you think go together, were used together, or are closely related at any point in history in Fallout's universe?

>>150157037
>Hidden bunker with soldiers whose only job was to listen to radio signals
>Implying they weren't paranoid about chinese spies
>Implying they would move a top secret formula to multiple places to increase chances of it falling into enemy hands
Yeah, okay.

>>150157719
>Implying they would move a top secret formula to multiple places to increase chances of it falling into enemy hands
The place they were moving it to was their own Vault program that they controlled, it was literally the most secure spot possible for them to put it.

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>>150156901
I do with lotsa mods

gtx980@ 1279 MHz
4790k@ 4.6 Ghz

>>150157072
Shipments of basic shit like wood and metal are cheap. Scrounging for that shit is for the birds just have it carted in.

>>150157428
>the Khans made no sense, their entire relationship with the Legion is based around them magically not knows literally everything about how the Legion works, from its slavery, to its banning of drugs, despite the fact these are things near every other NPC talks about.
>the Van Graffs, and Omertas, siding with the Legion for similar reasons is equally beyond stupid and nonsensical.

So you failed to read the dialogue where they literally tell the Courier that it was promised them they would still be allowed to have their cultures (false promise, obviously)?
It is not hard to see why the Khans, who value strength and warriorhood above all, would rather side with the Legion, especially after the emissary's honeyed words.
Same goes for Omertas and Van Graffs. Lesser of two evils type of thing.
Hell, it is basically the reason why Ulysses was pissed with the Legion.

I agree about the NCR, despite them being my favourite faction. They are extremely idiotic, but that is what the NCR is. They ARE ineffective, they ARE lazy, they ARE poorly trained, they ARE bureaucratic, they follow retarded orders given by retarded superiors.
The thing is that the game also paints the NCR this way, the game doesn't pretend the NCR isn't dumb and ineffective, everyone talks about how the NCR is ruled by retards.

House is egomaniac indeed.

I just don't see how any of that makes the factions "not good".

They would be bad IF the game painted them in a good light and then in-game they were retarded.
But the game tells you that the NCR is shit and that House is a flawed blind egomaniac man.

See the Institute, for example, they're supposed to be ultra-smart and all, they are painted this way in the game, but they're not like that AT ALL in the game, they are dumb and make no sense. THAT makes a faction bad.

>>150157425
Bethesda games aren't quite as buggy, but still pretty bad. As in the game is frozen, I stuck in a wall, I'm stuck in vats
>Van buren
A lot of people could have done a better job than Bethesda
>>150157428
in case you didn't know. The khans were a raider tribe on the west coast. They never had any interactions with the Leigon before and aren't a part of the NCR, which spreads a lot of propaganda about the Leigon. I think even a few are suspicious but don't really care because they're friends and family were slaughtered by NCR
NCR is just kept under a lot of strict orders. So they can't do what ever they please and are corrupt
Leigon can justify itself, or Caeser can. They're safer but women are treated like animals and prohibit drugs and alcohol
House has kept vegas safe and running, so he's a good choice too
>Keeping a factions leaders alive is stupid
Are you retarded?
>Main quest
Why wouldn't they want all the help they can get? They're fighting a war.
Do you understand that each faction is supposed to have flaws for a difficult choice or do you prefer good guy vs bad guy in 3?

>>150157439
>Rifle - Colt revolver rifles
>Carbine - Marlin Model 1894 lever action (.357)
>Shotgun - Winchester model 1887
>DMR - SVD Dragunov/SKS
>LMG - FN Minimi (SAW for you CoDfags)
>SMG - MP5

I'm a sucker with shit taste, and this isn't anything approaching a weapon's family.
Sue me.

>>150154064
I kinda want a modern post apoc game,

kinda like Stalker but with more scavenging and resource management, that or a real zombie apoc survival, where combat is secondary to just finding a good place to live for 7 months to winter when they freeze to death,

and real scavenging..not this convert anything into anything crap

>>150157846
It's like a slutty Paz.

>>150158210
>So you failed to read the dialogue where they literally tell the Courier that it was promised them they would still be allowed to have their cultures
No, I read that, Its just not believable because its such common knowledge that Caesar bullshit these things that no one should take it seriously.

They just do because
>we needed a way to shoehorn the Khans into the MQ.

> but that is what the NCR is
But thats the problem, they take it SO FAR in-game that it stop being believable, and just turns them into cartoon parodies of what they are supposed to be,

On the other hand, the BoS is made out to be racist xenophobes, and while yes, they do display those traits often, its not literally EVERY SINGLE QUEST here they go off on massive racist xenophobic rants like the NCR do with not being able to do anything themselves.

>I just don't see how any of that makes the factions "not good".
It becuase they take what would be realistic and believable traits to such idiotic extremes the entire game turns into a parody of itself to the point its impossible to care about anyone or any of the factions because they all act so stupidly.

> but they're not like that AT ALL in the game,
They really kinda are though
-They mastered FEV
-They mastered AI
-They mastered teleportation
-They have effectively controlled the Commonwealth for decades
-And they come up with, and orchistrate, a plan to take down the largestp ower o nthe east coast, and actually manage to get most of their plan done even without your help.

Compared to the NCR, Legion, our House, the Institute look fucking competent, smart, and functional by comparison.

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>>150154064
You forgot to mention that Avellone actually liked 3.
Don't know about 4, though.

>>150158260
Troika games are quite buggy, and even worse.
As in I can't launch the game without downloading from a third party unaffiliated with the company.
I don't even get stuck in the game, It just doesn't run.
>a lot of people
I can do that too - A lot of people disagree with you.

>>150157846
that's redundant

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>>150158613
Who?

>>150158260
>Keeping a factions leaders alive is stupid
That's not what I said at all, are you dyslexic?

>>150158771
lol
more nudes when

>>150158771
That doesn't look like very good Radscorpian defense.

>>150158752
what is redundant?

>>150158771
Should make the waist a bit thicker.
Well, unless you're 286C.

>>150158260
>Do you understand that each faction is supposed to have flaws for a difficult choice
Except its not a difficult choice because all of them are such cartoon parodies its impossible to take any of them seriously.

>>150158882
you kidding? that thing could make a feral go back to sleep it's so ugly.

>>150158681
>Caesers bad because I don't like him!
>NCR isn't corrupt because I say so!
>BoS (Fallout 4) is a good faction despite being able to sum them up in a few words
>Institute is smart even thought they didn't do anything that didn't already happen or was done better!
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say your shitposting

>>150158260
>3
>good guy vs bad guy

this is the worst meme

>>150158903
Slutty Paz... she cant get sluttier

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>>150158771
Paz from MGS: Peace Walker.

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>>150158771

>>150158743
That's because they weren't given time.
>A lot of people disagree with me
So what? Don't be such a baby.
>>150158962
(You)

>>150158979
>Caesers bad because I don't like him!
>NCR isn't corrupt because I say so!
>BoS (Fallout 4) is a good faction despite being able to sum them up in a few words
>Institute is smart even thought they didn't do anything that didn't already happen or was done better!
Holy straw man batman!

I literally never said or implied any of these things.

Where the flying fuck are you pulling this shit from?

>>150158979
>faction is bad because you can sum them up in a few words
stop the presses, literally every faction is bad.

>>150158964
But we're talking about insects. They don't have humanoid standards.
Did you know that when honeybees have sex the male gets it's literal guts pulled out? Insects are fucked up, anon

>>150158998
Really? Tell me otherwise.
>>150159119
Why is Caeser Leigon bad, for a start. Without using the word cartoon.

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>>150159061
I can see it

will nuka world be leaked?

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>>150158726

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Paz was good and pure. Anyone that says otherwise is an XOF shill.

>>150159030
REEEEEE

>>150159139
Yes, but the BoS in 4 doesn't really have any personality.

>>150159186
and as he dies he thinks.. "Totally Worth It!"
or maybe, "I can no longer post on /vg/"

>>150159112
>not given time
Kek, no. They just refused to patch their shit game to work on newer operating systems, something you'd know if you actually owned the fucking game (protip - I do.)
You'd think if they were somewhat competent developers they'd support literally their only game...
But wait.
" After being unable to secure funding for future projects, they were forced to lay off their staff in late 2004 and later close their doors on February 24, 2005."
Oh, that's right, they folded not a fucking year after.
Seems they weren't so good after all.

>>150159267
Okay. As long as we can keep it civil I'll give it a shot.
3 certainly doesn't give you a choice in factions, and that's fucking retarded, but the factions themselves certainly don't boil down to black and white.
Both the BoS and the Enclave are in the middle of internal power struggles, with Autumn betraying Eden's retarded plan at the last second for an actual governmental movement and Lyons' division being split in half (you can talk to various NPCs to find the that the half that stayed with him hated his guts).

Basically it's two manbabbies in a watery slapfight and you and your ol' man are caught up in the middle of it.

>>150159368
She was a total slut and Paco enjoyed raping her.

>>150159186
>picking between a life of servitude to the queen or sex followed by painful death

to be a bee is to suffer

>>150159501
>Laying off staff won't negatively impact a game
>Going bankrupt won't negatively impact a game
I think you're just brain dead.

>>150159524
I for one welcome our new AI overlords, they can't do worse then our last overlords

>>150159392
I don't even like 4's BoS, but what the fuck are you smoking?

>>150159629
>he actually thought that Troika would've somehow not gone bankrupt if they spent even more money than they already were acquiring a title that they wouldn't be able to fund after two years.
Seriously, how does it feel being retarded?

>>150159302
>implying Nuka World will add anything substantial other than adding more Nuka Cola objects, vending machines, furnitures and other Workshop stuff

>>150159267
>Why is Caesar Legion bad
I never said the Legion was "bad" I said they were poorly done.

And they were because they are behind everything
-Ometras wanting to gas the strip? Legion helping them.
-Someone sabotaging the monorail? Legion agent thats been in the NCR since FOREVER!
-Town gets destroyed? Legion killed them all of petty reasons.
-Khans going to attack the NCR? Legion is pushing them to do it!
-White Gloves want to turn back into cannibals? Legion wants you to help them!
-Town gets radiation bombed? Legion was behind it
-Friends growing more aggressive toward the NCR? Legion behind it.
-Van Graffs making a move on the NCr? Legion is helping them.

I could list many more things, but every "bad" thing happening in the game is laid at the Legion's feet.

Its entirely unbelievable for them to behind every other fucking thing in the game.

Its so fucking artificial, and obviously constructed, its beyond the realm of being believable.

Fallout 4 did it much better where for most of the game you hear how The Institute is supposedly behind every bad thing to happen to the commonwealth, but then when you get to the Institute itself you find out its mostly just superstitious bullshit. Not that the Institute hasn't done horrible things, but that a lot of the things they supposedly did, they didn't, and many of the things they did do were top secret projects held by a small group of people with the rest not knowing.

The Legion isn't sympathetic or believable, they are just these bizarre masters of everything, that seem only to be as good as they are as a means to make them something of a threat to the NCR when they wouldn't be.

>>150159835
It's not a 5 buck dlc, it's going to be another story one with a new area to explore and a raider faction.

>>150159535
MGSV was a troll game. None of it happened.

It's why there's stuff like the Burger tapes, barcodes in water, etc. It's part of the legend of Big Boss, VR simulations, etc seen in MGS4 the same way Twin Snakes is a dramatization and interpretation of events based on "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses: The Unofficial Truth" which is a book written by an in-game character from MGS1 and a briefing file in the form of a full novel in MGS2's bonus content. The burger tapes were a nod to it.

As for the usual response to such a thing "Nuh-uh omg I'm so mad"

>>150159524
But I know this already. There's no real point in faction because you can't do anything for them or do to them besides kill. I know that there was a split but you don't really see much of the side that split, and when you do, you can't talk to them. Enclave is stupid because if they decided to trust a machine for decision making, they should have checked how smart it was.

I hate how they always shoehorn in super mutants but don't let our characters be one. Might as well be orcs.

>>150158681
>no one should take it seriously
Why so? Khans were going to get wiped out anyway. If you talk to Papa Khan, he gives out his reasons for siding with the Legion, which is, in their case, a very rational thing to do and their best hope.

> they take it SO FAR in-game
Not at all. The NCR is corrupt and has shitty leaders, some of them even try to sabotage the NCR from the inside because they're tired of their shit, they have traitors among them and tons of corruption.
NCR is like Brazil.

So why is the NCR "not believable"?

>>150159954
okay

>>150159954
I'm gonna stop talking about it so much though because this is the wrong general for that. Woops.

Paz is the best though.

>>150159956
But that machine was doing what the Enclave has been trying to do since FO2. And you're right about the LW not being able to interact with them. While that bugs the shit out of me, they weren't joinable in FO2 either.
The Enclave weren't very well written from the start
>you can't talk to them

Did you do the hand-in mini-quests? You can become chummy with the Outcasts once you earn their trust. Also that scribe from Broken Steel is part of a group that thinks Lyons is a giant faggot.

quick question for the Thread

Name a GOOD R.P.G made in the last 3 years..
go ahead I challenge you

>>150160024
I hate how theres no survived half mutated things like failed fev subjects

bethesda could have gotten more creative with their mutant design aside from adding overlords and behemoths
the only ones they had that weren't outright monstrous in appearance were those vampires in that abandoned train station

>>150159934
>-Ometras wanting to gas the strip? Legion helping them.
Why wouldn't they help undermine House and the NCR?

>-Someone sabotaging the monorail? Legion agent thats been in the NCR since FOREVER!
Why wouldn't the Legion have a spy in the NCR considering that it is so easy to become a Trooper?

>-Town gets destroyed? Legion killed them all of petty reasons.
How is that an issue? That's the same as saying the Crusades were "petty reasons".

>-Khans going to attack the NCR? Legion is pushing them to do it!
It helps the Legion, Khans are tribal, etc.

>-White Gloves want to turn back into cannibals? Legion wants you to help them!
Undermines House and NCR, makes the White Glove embrace their tribal side once again and therefore it is easier to integrate them in the Legion.

>-Town gets radiation bombed? Legion was behind it
It was a NCR military camp near the Legion camp, why WOULDN'T the Legion attack it?

I mean, seriously, what is your argument? That the Legion thinks and acts against their enemies?

>>150159934
>they are just these bizarre masters of everything

Masters of getting BTFO

literally at Boulder City lel

>>150156901
I do, except in the center of boston where it chugs down to a crawl of sub 30

At worst it fucking drops to 4 fps and it's atrocious

>>150157846
>960 on 6-8 years old hardware
>constantly dip to sub 30 when there's lots of detail and npcs around

but I don't mind, my next pc will be glorious, since i have a lot of money saved.

>>150159793
A title that didn't sell too well.
>>150159934
Omertas are scarred shitless by the Leigon. You find this out personally if you do a quest for the Leigon
>Monorail
Is it really that hard to belive that someone would send a spy to try and destroy their enemy from the inside?
>Nipton
Their belief is that drugs and alcohol are for the weak and they don't tolerate weakness. The soilders there should have been taking the powder gangers in, but they didn't. Instead they got wasted
>White gloves
I'm not sure why
>Radiaton bombed
I'm pretty sure this might have been an accident. He killed himself in that blast too.
>Fiends
Why wouldn't you want help in taking down a large nation you want dead?
>Van Graffs
The Leigon has spies everywhere and the van Graffs don't like NCR and are scared by the Leigon. They have no reason not to. Did you pay attention?

>>150160104
>So why is the NCR "not believable"?
Because they can never get ANYTHING done without your help

-Giant ants on the road? Nope, gotta have the courier do it.
-Some guys with equipment worse then raiders sitting in a dilapidated prison? Nope, gonna have the courier lead the assault.
-Two soldiers stuck in a cave being held by the Legion? We cant do it ourselves, send in the PC!
-Making peace with the Kings?
-Checking on the fires coming out of Nipton?
-Rescuing soldiers who are being crucified?
-Caravan plot to undermine free trade?
-spies in your main camp?
-basic fucking infantry training?
-getting supplies to their camps?
-checking on radio codes?

EVERY LITTLE THING the NCR fails at miserably unless you do it for them.

Its not believable that one group could fail so hard at life.

Fuck, the Maxson BoS makes them look pathetic
>A group of no more then 500 men
>Many of whom aren't actual soldiers
>With less resources
>manages to fuckign annihilate entire based of super mutants, raiders, gunners, feral ghouls, and other wasteland critters, all without your help

and that what makes the BoS actually believable and sympathetic despite their racism and xenophobia, they actually manages to get SOMETHING done by themselves. during the course of the game.

I literally cannot think of a single instance in New Vegas were the NCr doesn't fuck something up entirely, and needs you help to fix it.

Its just not real because of how fucking everywhere it is, they are literally a parody of themselves.

>>150160492
>>150160695
I like how you are trying to refute individual instances, when I never said there was anything wrong with the individual instances themselves.

And totally ignore the actual point made

>>150160695
Are you just replying to reply at this point?
Troika is a dead company who made three shitty games and went under because they couldn't find a publisher willing to push their shit.
Buying a FO title wouldn't have changed that, in fact the resources diverted to development probably would've made it faster.
>didn't sell too well
Understatement of the year.

>>150160872
I honestly think he's just arguing to argue.

>>150157846
I mean I'm running it on a GTX 1070 and a 4670k @ 4.2GHz and I get those shitty framerates when in city areas.

>>150160775
-Why would they waste time with ants?
-You have better equipment than the guy and should be able to take him out.
-You mean the PC that won't get attacked on sight?
-NCR doesn't really have much insolvent in you doing that. They didn't even give out the quest, you showed up.
- they don't have enough people to send there and orders say they can't
- he says you can try but he doesn't give a shit if you die
-You mean the caravan plot that you discovered?
-surely sending someone who could be a spy to check who the spy is is a good idea
-yes to soldiers nobody wants to bother with
-Wow what an important job. They should have had a full squad on this one
-Again, they do t want to waste so much time doing it

>>150160775
Short-staffed, orders, etc.
The Courier doesn't even need to help in the assault, he can just sit back and let the NCR soldiers do their job.
Orders.
Courier is a neutral person.
Orders, short-staffed.
Orders.
Orders.
Orders, ineffective troopers, etc.
NCR is ineffective.
Orders, short staffed, etc.
Orders, short staffed, etc.

Seriously, did you even play the game? Because it seems you didn't.

>A group of no more then 500 men
>Many of whom aren't actual soldiers
>With less resources
>manages to fuckign annihilate entire based of super mutants, raiders, gunners, feral ghouls, and other wasteland critters, all without your help

Oh... and THAT is believable? Now, the NCR, a corrupt bureaucratic government, being shit is not believable, but a group of no more than 500 men who aren't soldiers with less resources that "manages to fuckign annihilate entire based of super mutants, raiders, gunners, feral ghouls, and other wasteland critters, all without your help" is believable?

Jesus Christ, you're so obviously biased towards Fallout 4 that it is moot to try and argue with you.
Seriously, you're saying that an incompetent government isn't believable when we actually have real life examples of that, but that the BoS is?

I don't usually call people that, but you're an obvious Bethesda fanboy, my man.

>>150160775
Most of the NCR's achievements in the Mojave were done before the game starts, like kicking the Lesion and BoS asses. All the factions are sort of in a holding pattern getting ready for Hoover Dam II.

NCR in particular is stretched thin everywhere else to have as much as possible up at the dam.

>>150161461
Not him, but I can see GIANT MUTANT ACID-SPITTING FIRE ANTS THAT MULTIPLY LIKE CRAZY becoming a problem.

>>150161121
not him, but how much RAM and VRAM you got?

>>150161546
8GB DDR3 @ 1600 and since I'm on 1070, 8GB of VRAM

>>150161469
ain't even that dude, but don't resort to /v/-tier bethesda vs obsidian
just call him a fucking moron and move on

>>150160927
> wow a game that didn't sell to well negatively impacted a poor company
I'll ask again, are you retarded?
>>150160872
You just said what you thought was wrong with NV and I corrected you. Maybe stop being such a faggot. And maxon is a shit character. He blows up a base full of technology for no reason and hates synths because they're "eviiillll oooooo"

>>150161538
They were already there in the desert next to it. They just didn't want it blocking the road.

>>150161469
>>150161461
Again, your totally ignoring the actual point made.

You can just say
>WELL ORDERS PREVENTED THEM!

Which only proves my point ,there is this illogical systemic idiotic through every single little thing the NCR does that they stp being a realistic portrayal of a bloated corrupt government, and just become a parody of it.

Nothing that that systemic in real life.

And the fact they made it so in-game only makes it entirely unreal and unbelievable.


Basically, your arguing at this point that literally EVERYTHING bad that happened to the allied powers during WW2 was Nazi Germany's fault, and that it would be perfectly all right for a game to suggest this, as it does with the Legion.

>>150161596
game is badly optimized, your g-settings might be too high.

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Hi everyone

I'm looking to do a replay of NV but I'm not sure what mods I want to install

I've been to the pastebin thing and installed a bunch via nexus mod manager but they keep fucking each other over and making it impossible to actually play the game

What are a few mods that will vastly improve my playing experience without interacting with one another and ruining everything?

Thanks for your advice, there are just so many suggestions on the pastebin that it's really hard to pick

>>150161701
Are you retarded? Because you seem to be under the impression Troika had the money to develop another FO game in the first place up here, which is your entire fucking argument.
>Actually, troika, a team of ex interplay employes would have bought it, so no.
>Troika buys FO
>develops a half ass alpha
>goes bankrupt sooner than the beginning of 2005
>FO gathers dust until Bethesda buys it
>FO3, NV, FO4 happen anyway, but at a later date

Oh look, absolutely nothing changed.

>>150161701
>You just said what you thought was wrong with NV and I corrected you
Actually, you totally ignored the point made to argue individual events that I never said I found were wrong.

You corrected nothing at all because I didn't disagree with you on any of the points you responded to.

>>150161927
The only thing that genuinely saves my FPS is reducing shadow distance to the bare minimum, which makes the game look like the trash it sadly is.

>>150161902
I think that's the point. The soilders there aren't even that well trained. So it would have been a bad idea. They can't handle it.
>Comparing Leigon to nazis
Because they're both evil according to you, right?

>>150161997
why is Wasteland 2 so mediocre

>>150162131
because you're too young to feel nostalgia when you play it.
that's literally it. It doesn't have much going for it other than being a post-apoc RPG, which is a hell of a niche.

>>150161997
They had enough to buy it. I don't know when the bidding started or ended so I don't know how much money they had you butthurt faggot. You would have been able to be a whiny faggot talking to me because the games wouldn't have existed.

>>150161701
> He blows up a base full of technology for no reason
Actually he blows it up becuase he has no ability to hold it due to his limited number of men, and as any military officer can tell you, if you can't take an enemies base, its better to destroy it then give them the chance to retake it for themselves.

Not to mention the fact that all the shit in there was thigns the BoS doesn't care about, or destroys anyways
1. FEV - BoS hates it
2. Farming shit - BoS has never cared about farming tech
3. Synths - BoS hates them
4. Laser weaponry - Already have tons of it
5. Nuclear reactor - they have no ability to dig out
6. Teleporter - requires too much power to operate and has a limited distance that makes it ineffective for large scale operations

>>150161902
Your point is supported by your retarded argumentation, mate. It is not ignoring the point, it is refuting the argumentation.

>Which only proves my point
Except it doesn't, it really, really doesn't.
In fact, it disproves your point.

Do you really think that soldiers would go against their orders and face prison just to do some odd jobs? They wouldn't.

>stp being a realistic portrayal of a bloated corrupt government
Nope, it is actually a realistic portrayal of a bloated corrupt government. I would know, I live in a country with one. Our soldiers are as useless as the NCR soldiers, our leaders are as corrupt as the NCR leaders and only undermines everything with shitty orders.

You know South America? Well, yeah, look at South America. NCR is at THAT level of corruption and inefficacy.

Also,
>Basically, your arguing at this point that literally EVERYTHING bad that happened to the allied powers during WW2 was Nazi Germany's fault, and that it would be perfectly all right for a game to suggest this, as it does with the Legion.
Holy strawman, Batman.

>>150162205
I'm 35 lol

I get nostalgic for Kings Quest games,

>>150162278
>they had enough to buy it
That's not the fucking argument, dipshit.
The argument is that they didn't have enough to prevent bankruptcy without buying it you thick skulled faggot.
Are you honestly under the impression that spending -more- money on a title that wouldn't have immediate profit returns would somehow save them from Bankruptcy?

>>150162005
How so?
>>150162205
>Every game everyone likes but me they like because nostalgia
I could say that you only like games because they're new. Neither argument holds any weight

>>150161954
PN - Core
JSawyer
NV Extended Map Markers
Shiloh DS Color Maps and Icons
DarnifiedUINV
Readius, if ur a boss

>>150162390
>Do you really think that soldiers would go against their orders and face prison just to do some odd jobs? They wouldn't.
That wasn't the point being made either.

you really are bad at this aren't you?

>>150162441
>ask for opinion
>get butthurt when it's given
Why even ask in the first place?

>>150162331
>Synths
So they're going to throw away technology they don't have for no reason because they don't like synths for no reason?
>Nuclear reactor
What about liberty prime?
>Teleporter
That shits fucking useful. That shit would probably be the most useful thing they ever came across other than power armor and LB and they blow it up?>>150162429
That wasn't the argument in the first place. I don't know but the game probably would have been better than what came out, which is what this was originally about.

>>150162441
>How so?
Because I don't disagree with anything you said, on an individual level, all of those things are justifiable by themselves.

Again, the point was that when you take it all in TOGETHER it paints an unrealistic picture.

Again, see my example about the Legion, every individual thing the Legion does that I talked about makes sense, but when taken all together you are left with a game were
QUITE
LITERALLY
Every leaky pipe, every broken toilet, every time someone sneezes, every time a fart smells overly bad, its the Legion's fault.

New Vegas portrays itself as this weird bizarre cartoon world were one group and be behind literally everything bad that happens ever.

And thats just not how the real world operates.

Fallout 4 did it a lot better when you get the idea that The Institute is behind everything, but once you get to to The Institute you actually find it all the stuff was due to a variety of factors ranging from deliberate attacks, to miscommunication, to outright paranoia on the part of the wasteladers.

In NV, the Legion is JUST behind everything, ever, its ALL their fault, period.

In Fallout 4, The Institute is said to be behind everything, but when it turns out they aren't as hey logically couldn't be.

>>150162487
The point being made was that the NCR is too dumb, therefore unrealistic and unbelievable, therefore a bad faction.

Do you understand how "points" are made? You need arguments to support the point.
You say "soldiers should go against their orders and do odd jobs!", so I say that "soldiers shouldn't go against their orders because they would face prison and punishment, and no soldier is going to risk that to go kill ants and when you're on the brink of a war and short-staffed".

So this disproves your argument in favour of your point, which is the NCR being unbelievable because they're dumb because they don't do anything.

>get disproved constantly
>LOL DUDE THAT WASN'T MY POINT AT ALL!

>>150162391
hey man whatever floats your boat.
I know that I only play WL because it's the thing that started me getting more into post-apoc settings and away from high fantasy.
shame about the D&D group, we stopped meshing after that.

>>150162805
> I don't know
So you're literally arguing to argue at this point.
Thanks for playing, fucking retard.

>>150162869
>In NV, the Legion is JUST behind everything, ever, its ALL their fault, period.
Except it isn't. Literally, it isn't.

The Legion acts against the NCR? Yeah, sure. Why, I wonder? Maybe because they're in war and want to sabotage the NCR? Geez, if only...

>>150159956
Still there, anon? Or did you get drowned out by the shitposts?

>>150162805
>So they're going to throw away technology they don't have for no reason because they don't like synths for no reason?
Except they have every reason to dislike synths
1. The Calculator
2. John Henry Eden
both have shown the BoS the dangers of machine intelligence, and both got close to killing all human life on the planet. synths are far more dangerous because they are mobile, and can look like any person.

Their hate is entirely justified by previous experiences.

>What about liberty prime?
did you forget the part where you have to get Lbiery Prime working to assault The Insittue? Did you miss the part where the Institues reactor was bigger then Prime's body?

WHAT ABOUT Liberty Prime is the question I want to know.

>That shits fucking useful. That shit would probably be the most useful thing they ever came across other than power armor and LB and they blow it up?
Except its not useful, they can't replicate it, they can't move it, it takes so much power to operate not even The Institute's nuclear reactor could power it until they got pre-war tech to super charge it, and its distance is limited to the Commonwealth meaning it loses its usefulness the moment they have finished securing it and move onto the next wasteland.

>>150162909
>The point being made was that the NCR is too dumb, therefore unrealistic and unbelievable, therefore a bad faction.

Yes, and you have yet to disprove that

>get disproved constantly
Except you haven't, you have argued literally everything I said but the actual point I made

>
You say "soldiers should go against their orders and do odd jobs!", so I say that "soldiers shouldn't go against their orders because they would face prison and punishment, and no soldier is going to risk that to go kill ants and when you're on the brink of a war and short-staffed".
This shit right here is the perfect example.

>>150163150
Not him, but
>they can't replicate it

Why not? The BoS studies technology to use them for their own purposes.
That is basically the whole point of their faction.

If they kept the lab, they could replicate it. And it makes no sense for the BoS to not keep the lab and not be able to replicate it.

>>150162869
The Leigon has spies everywhere. They disguise as NCR gamblers and try to turn them against their enemies. I don't see why this is hard to belive because Houses and NCRs eyes aren't as watchful as you think. Securitrons can't even get in without permission so he can't see what's up and NCR can't because they're spread thin.
Leigon isn't really behind all problems. Just most of the main quest and wher it makes sense for them to be.
The institute replaces leaders and random people. It's the other way around. 4 even looks cartoony. The institute couldn't even get A.I.right just on accident.

>>150163145
I'm here.
>>150163150
Henery Eden blew up their enemies base. They should be thankful

>>150163284
>Why not? The BoS studies technology to use them for their own purposes.
>That is basically the whole point of their faction.
No, the point of the BoS is that they horde pre-war technology, and never MAKE anything of their own

This had been the fundamental crux of their faction since Fallout 1, and is part of the reason the BoS is doing so poorly on the west coast.

They make a fiarly big point of it in NV, and in Fallout 4, all we see them do is use pre-war tech, rebuild pre-war tech, and destroy all post-war tech, as is fitting with Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV, and 4.

>>150163461
>Henery Eden blew up their enemies base. They should be thankful
thats 100% optional, you can get out of Raven Rock without getting Eden to blow it up, and its stated in Broken Steel that the BoS used Liberty Prime to blow it up while you were knocked out.

Todd isn't a bad guy. Pete Hines holds him back and bullies him just like back in high school. Todd could make masterpieces if Pete was out of the picture.

>>150163482
That's wrong. They were always inventing stuff. Vree invented a new laser pistol and told you to go check it out. In NV, a random scribe will occasionally say " I should invent a door that moves when you get close" or something like that.

>>150163269
Are you just shitposting or something?

The NCR troopers don't do shit because they have strict orders from the high-ups and are short-staffed, therefore your entire argumentation line about "WHY DON'T THE NCR DO THIS AND THAT?!?!" is disproved by this fact. They have a reason not to do odd jobs.

>but the actual point I made
Well, I just did. The NCR is not unbelievable. They are a believable corrupt government for all the reasons stated, reasons that disprove your arguments and your point.
The thing is that you're unable to grasp the concept of a short-staffed army with orders to HOLD their bases IN A WARZONE is following the orders.

>>150163320
> I don't see why this is hard to belive
It's not, and I never claimed it was

Again, its now what they do thats not believable, it the degree to which they do it.

>>150163637
>Are you just shitposting or something?
Are you?

>The NCR troopers don't do shit because they have strict orders from the high-ups and are short-staffed
I never once claimed otherwise

>odd jobs.
>training your own troops
>rescuing your own soldiers
>checking for spies in your own base
>making sure your own radio equipment works
>odd jobs
wow, how fucking backwards can you get

>>150162805
>no reason
Okay, have you actually played the game?
>Liberty Prime
Only plot hole imo, because that would be a further strain on logistics than the Prydwyn already is (they're stretched the fuck to the edge there, no actual hard supply routes)

>shits fucking useful
A lot of things you blow up could be really fucking useful, it's just that the overall usefulness is kind of up in the air.
Would the Institute make a -great- BoS outpost in the CW? Yep.
Does the BoS have the manpower in the commonwealth to maintain it, get back to the Capital Wasteland, and keep the Newstitute supplied? Probably not, it would be a large scale project over a period of multiple years - something the BoS does not want to do.


>>150163284
>Why not?
BoS doesn't replicate tech, that's the Enclave and Institute's schtick.
BoS are military survivors that didn't get into the Enclave, and as such began scavenging and hoarding pre-war tech for their own use (eventually expanding to taking it from other wastelanders as it became more and more obvious that the ability to actually take care of them was beyond most)
Literally one of the first times you've heard the BoS actually building something from scratch instead of using pre-war shit they found is the Prydwyn, and iirc, it's just a restored Pre-War airship, on the same level as Liberty Prime, and the citadel.

>>150163625
>inventing a new laser pistol or door suddenly means they can replicate any tech they find
literally what. Lasers were common pre-war weapons (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Lasers ring a bell?) It's kind of a given that some sort of operating/ownership manual/blueprints could have survived for them, in fact it's almost a given.
I'm almost certain that you won't find an owner's manual for a massive nuclear generator.

>>150163637
>The thing is that you're unable to grasp the concept of a short-staffed army with orders to HOLD their bases IN A WARZONE is following the orders.
I perfectly understand that, again, that was never the point being made.

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>>150163653

>>150163653
>It's not, and I never claimed it was

Except you did:
>It becuase they take what would be realistic and believable traits to such idiotic extremes the entire game turns into a parody of itself to the point its impossible to care about anyone or any of the factions because they all act so stupidly.

>-The Legion is literally the mustache twirling villains behind everything that the NPCs of Fallout 4 make The Institute out to be, without the revelation that most of its was actually superstition that makes such a plot believable.

You ARE just shitposting, right?

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>>150163595
This

>>150160775
>a group of no more than 500 men

Oh fuck. It's that autistic headcanon retard that was shitflinging here a few weeks ago because everybody kept making him out to be an idiot. Don't even waste your time replying.

>>150163951
>Except you did:
Except, again, thats not the point of the things you quoted.

>>150163150
NOW HOL THE FUCK UP, SON

>The Calculator

The East Coast literally has no idea it exists. Only the Midwest sect does and they're a rogue splinter group. In fact they just replaced the Calculator with their general and stole the entire robot army. This is because the Midwest guys aren't idiots.

>>150163789
And here we go again.
>training your own troops
The Misfits were four fuck-ups.

>rescuing your own soldiers
Short-staffed, orders to hold.

>checking for spies in your own base
See above.

>making sure your own radio equipment works
See above.

>I never once claimed otherwise
You literally did. Your whole argument was about how the NCR didn't do this or that.

Fuck off, shitposter.

>>150164134
>In fact they just replaced the Calculator with their general and stole the entire robot army.
Lol no, there is a 99% chance that the "Destroy the Calculator" ending will be made canon.

Every other ending makes them MWBoS too powerful, and Caesar doesn't mention a massive robot army on his eastern borders near Denver.

>The East Coast literally has no idea it exists
Part of Lyons mission was to make contact with the MWBoS and bring them back under lost hills command, the fact that Lyons knows they still exist, when no one did previously, shows they did make contact, and would likely know what the MwBoS has been up to.

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>>150163554
It's never been confirmed if it's canon or not so neither of us can really say anything. Maybe the lone wander got the code to blow it up but it's not like they really killed each other before that.
>>150163892
The point is that they were inventing new things. You can't say it doesn't count because you don't like it.
>>150163905
But I did reply to your points and you keep repeating yourself like a broken record.
>>150164134
This too. they're on the east cost so how could they know?

>>150164134

>East Coast has no idea
>Midwest is a rogue splinter group

lol

>>150164282
>But I did reply to your points and you keep repeating yourself like a broken record.
No you didn't, you responded to individual examples I had no problems with on their own, and ignored the actual point of how the systematic stupidity of the NCR's orders stop being believable when its literally EVERY single quest.

>>150164293
Did they splinter before or after fallout 2?

>>150164282
Don't waste your time responding to him. He's an autistic headcanon warrior that's just here to shitfling about his superior headcanon.

>>150164392
See>>150161461
>>150160695

>>150164506
What are you even talking about?

>>150164282
>inventing new things
>improving on existing ones
Pick one.
>doors that open when you get close
Vault-tec did that 200 years ago (See Vault 101), so it's not an invention either.
>you can't say it doesn't count because you don't like it

verb (used with object)
1.
to originate or create as a product of one's own ingenuity, experimentation, or contrivance:
to invent the telegraph.
2.
to produce or create with the imagination:
to invent a story.
3.
to make up or fabricate (something fictitious or false):
to invent excuses.

You're the only one inventing things here, and yours is the second and third.
Unless Vree invented the laser pistol is what you're saying?

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>>150164048
>gets btfo
>has no argument
>NOT MUH POINT
>"I NEVER SAID THAT!"
>show him his own posts
>"NOT MUH POINT"
>can't even remember his own posts
>backtracks constantly
>backtracks again
>BACKTRACKS AGAIN
>NOT MUH POINT

Okay, happy shitpostin', partner.

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So anons I'm having a problem. After a few hours of playing Fo4 it CTD for no reason. No errors, no Fo4.exe has stopped working, just a takes me to the desktop.

I check with LOOT to see if there were any mods that were conflicting that could cause it but nothing turned up.

>>150164438

FOT is set between FO1 and FO2

>>150164539
Again, that has NOTHING to do with the point being made.

How fucking illiterate are you?

>>150164664
He's 100% arguing to argue anon, just tell him Troika would've gone bankrupt anyway and he'll stop responding.
worked for me.

>>150164543
See
>>150163981

He spent 6 hours a few weeks ago arguing with half the goddamn general, trying to pass off a bunch of his headcanon as being actual canon because it was "better" or some bullshit. Just ignore the idiot.

>>150164506
Thanks m8. Any build recommendations for fo1?
>>150164590
She said she invented a new one. The same way someone might invent a vacuum cleaner or something.
>Doors
They don't have those kinds of doors. I don't even remember if he said invent. I'm just going off the top oh my head.

>>150164276
Maybe. But the MWBoS came off as some really hard motherfuckers that wanted as much power as they could get, so them taking over would make sense.

>>150164293
MW guys got shot down during a storm and every other chapter considered them dead. I doubt they would make much contact with Elder "Girlyboat" Lyons when their main method of getting civilians to leave them alone is to pump them full of 5MM. Limited to no contact makes them a splinter.

>>150164664
Your entire point is based on those individual instances by saying they're not believable. So some anons came and gave you reasons why they are believable. This rendered your point moot.
It is okay if you dislike NV and like Fallout 4, just don't be a retard about it.

>>150164759
>she said she invented a new one
So where is it? What does it do to differentiate it from previous Laser Pistols? An invention is something completely new, so if it's just a modified Wattz brand, she didn't invent shit.
>I don't even remember
So why bring it up? Your correct answers are a google search away, or you could try actually playing the games before you argue.

>>150163461
>I'm here

I'm happy you're here and I think we should grab some beer and wings together.

>>150164664
You didn't have much of a point. You pointed out things you found illogical about the game and I responded
>>150164727
Not really. I stop responding because the whole thing was going in circles.

>>150164759
>Any build recommendations for fo1?
If you haven't done it before, go for a high-perception, high agility SuperStimpack assassin build.

>>150164772

FOT is set 80 years before FO3, 90 years before FO4

>>150164597
At this point the only way I think I can describe what I mean is just painfully spelling it out for you.

You know how the Legion is behind the Omertas wanting to gas the strip?

And how they are behind the Van Graffs wanting to attack the NCR?

And how they are behind the Khans? and the fiends?

How about they aren't?

How abut a game where the Omertas are going to gas the strip simply because THEY want to take it over?

How about the Khans and Fiends attack the NCR simply because THEY hate them?

How about the Van Graffs simply want to attack the NCR because they have a long beef with them and see the NCR's attack on Hoover Dam as a means to strike at them while their guard is down?

How about we make a game were factions do things for their own reasons, instead of trying to shoehorn everything together into one giant Machiavellian scheme by the Legion that seems more like it should be something from a Scooby Doo episode, or a plan from the Legion of Doom from the old Sueprfriends TV show?

You know, something thats actually more fitting of what happens during a war.

>>150164876
No, his point was that those individual instances were believable individually, it was when you put them all together that it suddenly became apparent exactly how much of a pile of shit the entire scenario is.

>>150164909
>going in circles
Literally you sticking your head in the ground and screaming denial that something could've saved troika from bankruptcy? I thought it was just one-sided is all.

>>150164883
You never get it because it's experimental
>I don't remember
I said I don't remember exactly
>>150164904
That sounds nice, friend.

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>>150164953
Oh God. That means there will never be a sequel, and if there is it'll force in the shitty 50's Bethesda themes and turn everybody in the BoS into a drooling retard

>>150164883
Not him, but the Scribes in New Vegas are researching night vision and one shows interest in inventing "a door that opens when you get near it".

>>150164753
>He spent 6 hours a few weeks ago arguing with half the goddamn general, trying to pass off a bunch of his headcanon as being actual canon because it was "better" or some bullshit. Just ignore the idiot.
I am the guy who made that comment too, and the guy who asked the question, and I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

>>150165014
>something thats actually more fitting of what happens during a war.

>What is a proxy war?
>What is asymmetrical warfare?
>What is taking advantage of internal strife?

Are you for real?

Going to listen to
>>150163981
You're clearly retarded.

>>150165045
>you never get it
So you're going off baseless assumptions.
>don't remember
so why bring it up before actually confirming it?
Like, are you mentally deficient?

>>150165092
>inventing something that Vault Tec had 200 years earlier (see vault 101)
>night vision
Both are already present in game, it's not possible to invent something that has already been invented.

>>150165015
I said they could've made a better game then Bethesda. Then your autism flared and the argument went of track.
>>150165014
See>>150160695

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>>150164609
You should know the drill by now, anon.

- What did you install recently?
- How many .esps are you running?
- What's your average save size?

>>150165045
That's good.
So did my points make any sense or are you just too caught up in another debacle?
Like I said, as long as we can keep things civil, I'm glad to try to explain anything, be it opinion or fact.

>>150165068
>and turn everybody in the BoS into a drooling retard
>implying they haven't been that way from the start

>>150165164
>I said they could have
>could have
>could
>have
But they didn't.
And they ran out of money before they even tried.
>NV has anything to do with Troika
Nice deflection, autismo.

>>150165015
>No, his point was that those individual instances were believable individually, it was when you put them all together that it suddenly became apparent exactly how much of a pile of shit the entire scenario is.

Except those individual instances make more sense when put together. Because a short-staffed army in a warzone has reasons to follow orders to hold their bases when their enemies could attack any time.

So, you see, his point got disproved.

>>150165150
>Are you for real?
Again, you totally ignore the point

>>150165015
>No, his point was that those individual instances were believable individually, it was when you put them all together that it suddenly became apparent exactly how much of a pile of shit the entire scenario is.
fucking thank you

Apparently someone has half a brain.

>>150165158
NPCs will tell you it's hot outside but you won't feel it. As an example. Neither of us will know since we won't get it.

Who else feels that Fallout needs to be rebooted?

>>150165158
>it's not possible to invent something that has already been invented.
Yes, it is.

Automatic doors are not in the game, as far I as remember. I don't remember any door opening as I walked by. All doors need to be activated in order to open.

Maybe the BoS doesn't know about night-vision or can't get their hands in one. So they are researching it.

>>150165262
Not him but having a short staffed army on hold does not mean everyone stops doing even the most basic of base defense and upkeep as the NCR does in-game.

Being put on hold does not mean literally every single solider just stops doing anything.

>>150165249
Which argument was yours? I'd like to be civil.
>>150165254
They did try though. And they did have the money otherwise they wouldn't have bet. You got upset the moment I talked shit about Bethesda. Maybe you should calm down before you go somewhere where you have to hear someone else's opinions.

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>they expect you to build a full vault
>give you maybe 2k steel after you scrap everything

?????

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I'm using NMC texture pack and I'm getting this weird xray effect

How do I fix it?

>>150165068

Interestingly, both Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel are set between FO1 and FO2

Interplay was a lot more interested in doing prequels and midquels than Bethesda, for good or for ill

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>>150165264
>it's unbelievable that a military organization would attempt to support as many schemes within a fractured enemy territory as they can, so as to lessen the technological and material advantages that the enemy has.

The fact that you're padding out your laundry list of issues with made up shit really just helps to make you look more and more like an idiot. There are plenty of factions and schemes that have nothing to do with the Legion. However, since you cannot stand to be wrong, this is clearly a waste of time.

>>150165640
> with made up shit
Nothing I said was made up.

>>150165253
How do we save the BoS

>>150165696
Killing NCR

>>150165505
>Being put on hold does not mean literally every single solider just stops doing anything.
It means that troopers shouldn't chase after enemies, shouldn't jeopardise themselves by trying to rescue other troopers, shouldn't leave their base to go deliver codes when they would be easily recognisable by their enemies and would leave a breach in their station by leaving it understaffed, etc, etc.

So yes, it makes sense for the NCR to sit on their asses.

>>150165696
By letting them recruit outsiders, and not violently try to take away technology from people not misusing it.

Basically, let them do what the MwBoS and Maxson BoS do

WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS

>>150165572
The bigger issue is the lack of fucking rubber

>>150165614
I actually really like that idea. Creates a more coherent universe where many things can happen at once instead of some fag every 60 years becoming the chosen one

>>150165249
>>150165557
Anon? Are you still there?

>>150165262
>follow orders
so... Where are those orders in game?
>>150165285
Literally what.
Heat is easily inferred.
The sun gives off heat, if you didn't know.
During the day, that heat reaches the earth, if you didn't know.
As such, logic follows that during the day, someone might tell you it is hot.
As such, (if I'm following your odd logic correctly) it is not baseless for someone to tell you it is hot, nor is it an assumption.
Did I miss something? That's a confusing point to make.


>>150165463
>yes, it is
Fair enough I guess, Re-invention shouldn't even be a separate term with the meaning you're looking for.

>Automatic doors are not in the game
>therefor they do not exist
South America isn't in the game, does it exist?
Fat people?

>maybe the BoS doesn't know about night vision
Weren't all PA helmets supposed to have night vision standard?

>>150165557
>turning it into a company war
They ran out of money without buying the title to FO, they would've ran out of money if they had bought the title to FO, deny it all you want, but it's as good as me going "WELL I COULD HAVE BEEN A MULTIMILLIONAIRE".
It doesn't make it true, or even realistic, it just makes me seem like a fucking retard. (like you)

>>150165790
And yet the NCR
-Launches major military operations against the Powder Gangers at the NCRCF
-An even larger operation against the Legion at Nelson(ironically not recursing their crucified men who are literally right in the middle of town after they take it over)
-And move many troops and supplies to Bitter Springs to reinforce that position

all in the name of protecting their interests, and yet dont do many equal things for no other reason "because inconsistent writing"

>>150165614
>>150165878
Maybe they should just retcoon BoS and tactics and make a prequel

>>150165821
Because the Institute is actually autistic and doesn't know how to deal with things aside from just throwing them in the trash and hoping for the best

>>150165993
BoS has already been declared 100% non-canon by both Bethesda and Obsidian.

Tactics is considered canon at its highest level events, aka, whatever the Devs want at any given time.

>>150165821
they were drawn by tales of an ancient ork shrine, the green monster

>>150165695
>You know how the Legion is behind the Omertas wanting to gas the strip?

They aren't. They offered support. The Omertas just want to take control of The Strip and make it their own.

>And how they are behind the Van Graffs wanting to attack the NCR?

Literally bullshit. The Van Graffs have been fighting the NCR for years, and were preparing to attack them long before the Legion had any involvement.

>and the fiends?
Literally bullshit. They provide intel to them, nothing more.

>How abut a game where the Omertas are going to gas the strip simply because THEY want to take it over?

That's literally what the Omertas were originally doing. The Legion offered support.

>How about the Khans and Fiends attack the NCR simply because THEY hate them?

That's literally why they attack the NCR.

>How about the Van Graffs simply want to attack the NCR because they have a long beef with them and see the NCR's attack on Hoover Dam as a means to strike at them while their guard is down?

Ignoring the fact that the Van Graffs are playing the Legion for profit, this is literally explained in-game.

They are attacking NCR caravans with no legion involvement to increase profits, but lack the capability to attack the NCR directly.

You padded all of this out with bullshit, when the fact is, you're wrong on pretty much every count. I'm not going to begin on the Khans because their situation almost manages to demonstrate your flawed point.

>>150165967
I know it's an odd example but I meant it as "NPCs will tell you about it but you can't experience it". It sounded better in my head.
>Troika
They didn't run out of money before that. Bethesda outbid them.

>>150165967
>so... Where are those orders in game?
Lots of NCR NPCs talk about them.

>South America isn't in the game, does it exist?
>Fat people?
Now you're just playing stupid. Please stop trying to make an argument when you have none. It is really, really retarded. Automatic doors don't exist in Fallout and were never shown to exist. The all have buttons to open them for a reason.

>Weren't all PA helmets supposed to have night vision standard?
No.

>>150166173
>they aren't
>proceeds to show how they are intact behind it

>>150166239
>supporting an operation is the same as kicking it off

"No."

>>150166093
>>150165993
DESU, I think Bethesda likes having Tactics around because it gives them an excuse to not have to go to the Midwest themselves, and creates a sort of "Here there be MWBoS" buffer between them and the west coast both companies can use as a bullshit excuse as to why their factions never meet.

>>150166173
>tearing an argument apart this hard

So that random encounter where that guy is fighting with a synth copy of himself

Did this random guy escape from the Institute?

Since the whole synth replacement stuff relies on first kidnapping people and getting information from them to have a proper synth replacement, not to mention DNA sample to whip up the synth copy

Right?

>>150166354
Why not just split the entire country then? Half obsidian/other developer half Bethesda. They're going to have to meet eventually.

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>>150166465
>institute
>synths
>internal consistency and logic

>>150166465
>not to mention DNA sample to whip up the synth copy
they dont use the person's DNA to make a synth double.

synths are made via FEV which needs pure human DNA to function. synths are just molded into a copy of that person.

>Since the whole synth replacement stuff relies on first kidnapping people and getting information from them to have a proper synth replacement
Not in all cases, in cases were a person is going to be around people who know them, sure, but if they needed to send synth Art to some random settlement were no one knows him, they wouldn't need to do it

>>150166436
>Arguing in an argument is bad
Ok

>>150166354
I like having Tactics around because it was like post apoc Xcom and I could shit on people in multi with it.

Sequel when?

>>150165983
>-Launches major military operations against the Powder Gangers at the NCRCF
It was quite a minor one and they had their orders. Literally why they were camped near the NCRCF was because their orders were to recon and take the prison.

>-An even larger operation against the Legion at Nelson
Not really, it is also a minor operation.
And this only happens after you help around Hope doing things troopers couldn't. There is even a conversation about how Hope is doing well and now they can finally retake Nelson.

>-And move many troops and supplies to Bitter Springs to reinforce that position
Yes, after you help around the camps so they CAN send soldiers. Like helping Hope, McCarran, Golf, so they can spare troopers for Bitter Springs.

You do realise you have no arguments, right? That all your "arguments" were based on your not paying attention to the game, right?

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>>150165584
anyone?

I uninstalled all other mods
pls respond

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Well nice talking with you anons. I'm going to bed

>>150166484
>Why not just split the entire country then?
They basically did.

In an interview after New Vegas came out Avellone said Bethesda basically gave them the entire western United States to do whatever they wanted with since they had no intention of going there themselves.

And we can see this is ture in NEw Vegas were they mention
-California
-Nevada
-Arizona
-New Mexico
-Colorado
-Utah
-Wyoming
-Idaho
-Montana
-Oregon

The only state of the Western US not mention in some way was Washington.

Both Bethesda and Obsidian have said Beth are east coast people, and Obsidian are west coast people, and they are both fine with that.

New Vegas really was them drawing the lines and going "heres ur shit, heres my shit, and heres that Midwest shit in the middle we both stay out of

>>150166749
>"heres ur shit,heres my shit"
Don't know why but this gave me a giggle

>>150166568
So you mean to tell me the Institute makes perfect biological copies of actual people through guesswork with Shaun's DNA template?

Instead of just taking a DNA sample directly from the person they are copying and making a copy through FEV magic that way?

Not to mention FEV doesn't require "pure" DNA to do its thing. Ever.

Even so, Shaun himself is not pure.

>>150166749
Do they stay out of the Midwest because of the huge buildup of MWBoS soldiers that are basically well armed rednecks

>>150166936
>Even so, Shaun himself is not pure.
Yes he is, its stated several times in-game.

>Not to mention FEV doesn't require "pure" DNA to do its thing. Ever.
Unless you want reatrded super mutants yes it does, that was the whole point behind why the Master sought out pure humans in Fallout 1.

>So you mean to tell me the Institute makes perfect biological copies of actual people through guesswork with Shaun's DNA template?
Not like people get DNA tested in the post-war world. Unless your in the brotherhood

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sick dude

>>150167081
420

>>150166957
>because of the huge buildup
According to Fo3 and NV the MwBoS is seemingly a fairly small chapter that doesn't seem to be able to even retaliate to Caesar capturing some of their scribes.

Since the Destruction of the Calcualtor is 99.99% the most likely option, its most probably that the MwBoS simply collapsed on itself since it was a military operation that found itself in a land were it had purged the raiders, hostile super mutants, and Calcualtor robts threatening.

with the lack of threats in the area, there would be no need for such a large army, and they most likely took on a form more similar to the Maxson BoS, roving bands of BoS soldiers who wander the wasteland eliminating what small threats remain.

>>150166201
>they didn't run out of money before that
"In 2004, Troika tried to find a publisher for an unnamed post-apocalyptic role-playing video game, but were unsuccessful,"
Now, do note that their layoffs started in November of 2004, and the company shut down in February of 2005.
So while they didn't run out of money before (which wasn't even a point you made until now), they were well on their way to bankruptcy in 2004.
Explain to me, again, how Troika could have acquired the title in 2004 and then not shut their doors in the less-than-12 month period following while still releasing a working game?
I'm legitimately curious.

>>150166213
>lots of NPCs
So, no source on how that prevents them from doing literally anything of consequence? Cool.
>now
No, I'm pointing out to you how stupid the argument of "I don't see it in game so it doesn't exist" sounds, you fucking autist. Thanks for proving my point btw.

>No
Okay.

>>150167245
Are you arguing just to argue? Because you're just playing stupid right now.

Geez, kid, it's an internet discussion, you can be wrong about things. Just learn to accept it.

>>150165824
Yeah no kidding, with the number of purifiers I build already, I was running into this issue way before the DLC landed.

Unrelated, but does anybody have experience with this function?
>http://www.creationkit.com/fallout4/index.php?title=SetInstanceVolume_-_Sound
My main problem is this part:
>afVolume: The desired volume of a playing sound instance. Values outside of 0.0 - 1.0 will be clamped.
>outside of 0.0 - 1.0
I'm trying to (significantly) boost the volume of a looping ambient sound for use in a different context. Is there a way to bost the volume further (I already maxed the decibels in the SNDR record) without having to take the base-game *.wav and run it through Audacity or something?

>>150167110
it has this retarded effect of lighting people on fire when i block

>>150167334
>can't refute the points given
I get that you're shitposting but I mean atleast put effort into it.

What's up with the performance of this game? I assume it's because of their engine being a steamy pile of shit, but seriously, I got myself a rig that should be able to easily max out this thing, and I'm still getting framedrops every now and then.

Also, I'm sorta at a point where I'm supposed to join a faction, or so I think, because I've got several ones wanting my dick. Is it possible to go through the game without joining any faction, like in NV with Yes Man, or will I be forced to pick a side other than my own?

>>150167410
>What's up with the performance of this game?
Mine runs fine DESU SENPAI

>like in NV with Yes Man
The Yes Man faction in Fo4 is the Minutemen

>>150167396
I would if you had any point. You're just saying that automatic doors exist in the Fallout universe when they're not and just pretending that the fact that many NCR NPCs talk about their orders is "no source".

Honestly, if you're not shitposting, it is quite pathetic.

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>>150167410
I literally just had a thing happen where certain parts of the Massachusetts State House caused my framerate to drop to 9 fucking fps. Unbelieveable.

>>150156191
We already had Operation Anchorage. And it was shit.

>>150167581
bizarre, what gpu do you have?

>>150167537
>many NPCs
>no actual sources
many NPC's say that you're full of shit.

>automatic doors exist in vault 101
Repeating this for the third time, maybe if you bothered to play FO you'd know these things.
Here's a nice little thread that includes a tutorial on how to make your own doors in FO3 automatic.

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1174627-automatic-door-in-geck/

>>150167659
970. Normally I get around 45 - 60fps.

It was one spot specifically where it all went to shit. Felt like Bethesda just packed way too much shit into an interior.

>>150167581
Faneuil Hall or however the fuck you spell that does it to me

Mainly because of the 3000 fucking fires bethesda decided to stack in their fire pit to make it look big

>>150167745
>970
HAHAHAHAHA you got a gimp card, did you put in for your 30 dollars yet you fucking cuck?

>>150167241
That's gay as hell my nigga.

>Stop mass recruiting from all those villages they save
>Don't take any robots
>Forget they have APCs and tanks and stealth bombers
>Let a bunch of actual fuccbois that can't even take a narrow bridge from filthy conscripts steal their scribes and go unpunished

>>150167745
I've found that random drops to 1-10 FPS in interior cells are fixed by saving and reloading.
(for me anyway)

>>150167814
you ok man?

>>150167848
to clarify, I don't mean random stutters, I mean occasionally I'll enter an interior and drop to 1-10 FPS no matter what (though in fort strong it was only ever when facing a certain staircase), saving and reloading fixes it.
I use a Radeon 7970 so it's pretty shit-tier.

>>150167814
relax bro jeez

>>150167831
.>Stop mass recruiting from all those villages they save
They have no reason too, everything that opposed them is DEAD.

>Don't take any robots
Actual;ly they had several robots they reprogrammed before they destroyed the Calculator, however, as part of the Tactics MQ they blow up or disable the robot factories and power supplies, and with the calculator's death, they have no means to control the army.

>Forget they have APCs and tanks
Who says they forgot they had them? they probably still use them, they just dont need as many.

> and stealth bombers
They never had those. The one they encountered was never completed, and nothing suggests they could have ever gotten it working

>Let a bunch of actual fuccbois that can't even take a narrow bridge from filthy conscripts steal their scribes and go unpunished
Well yes, ok this an actual point.