/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

>>150119567
Fucking kill yourself.

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>Darkest Hour in OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s

Doing gods work anon

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>>150119871

Is there any mod that provides some flavour for bourgeoise dictatorship?

>>150119871
Could this be why /gsg/ was so dead that day :^)

>>150120118
I don't think that's it, we're all on reddit constantly anyway...

>>150120097
>bourgeoise dictatorship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGn4W2cc_w

>>150120502
This

Why do you think people post so much shit from /r/paradoxplaza here?

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>>150119976
Isn't it all but confirmed HPM isn't actually Alex Grandi? Because Alex Grandi is Brazillian and HPM is Italian.

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Playing HPM, I beat Egpyt in the Oriental Crisis and managed to keep the Levant since the GPs the intervened did not set foot on my land and peaced out. How do I get rid of the -40% research penalty from Ali Pasha's reforms

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>>150120860
t. alex

Any good playthroughs of Secret Hitler besides the ones with Shen? I don't have any friends but I like watching that game

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>>150120860
We know HPM is in Italy on a work thing but he stated himself he is a third worlder

Now Italy might not be amazing but its not third world yet.

>>150121107
He stated himself he's from western europe.

>>150120860
It's a lie because hes a huge euroboo.

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>>150121107
He might be from Naples lad

Which I am pretty sure technically counts as Western Europe too

>>150121210
I think it's pretty obvious he's Argentinian

>>150121210
>people can't lie on the internet
Alex wishes he was white so he pretends to be from Europe.

>>150121347
>>150121460
No, HPM is definitely white.

>>150121460
>people can't lie on the internet
So why are you saying he's from somewhere?

>>150121329
Naples is sourhern Europe you fucking retard kill yourself

>>150121601
>ywn live in Sourhern

>>150120860
>old trip had Portuguese password
>Brazilian Portuguese name "Alex Grandi" tied to his account "arkhometha"

He might not be that professor we found on facebook but he sure as hell is from Brazil.

>>150121001
Fight off the Ottomans and their allies for decades until an event pops up saying something among the lines of "The Levant is Ours!".
I'm not sure what's the MTTH but when I created the Arab Union over a dozen versions ago I ended up only getting rid of it when I was 85% Westernized.

>>150121705
>Portuguese word
>If I use a japanese word in my trip will you think I'm japanese?

>Brazilian Portuguese name "Alex Grandi" tied to his account "arkhometha"
>people still believe that's his real name
I guess HPM work did pay off.

Who is Alex Grandi
t. Newfag

>>150119567
R&Ilad
B

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F

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>>150121921
Name is a secondary thing actually.
Portugese word is important.

Speaking of weird offtopic stuff...this is interesting.

>>150119764
>>150119976
What were the posts?

>>150122232
They were just shitposts, don't worry about it.

Naples is literally the worst and most violent shithole in Western Europe even if you count Greece, Portugal, Spain and Croatia. Can it be considered a 3rd world city? I don't think it makes sense to call cities like Santiago 3rd world while Naples gets by as 1st world.

>>150122167
Look I tripped in /a/ with japanese words as trips.
That doesn't mean I'm japanese.

If he was brazilian he wouldn't be able to live in europe for more than 3 months at a time and he wouldn't travel so much.

We don't even know if he's actually a man or a woman.

What are some fun asian cunts to play in Vicky2?

>>150122313
It's important for me to know the contents of all shitposts on /gsg/

t. shitpost connoisseur

>>150122379
>HPM is a woman
Kinky

>>150122382
Russiya

>>150122382
Persia, you can literally westernize quicker than Japan if you know what you're doing.

>>150122232
r&i

i reported his post :^)

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>ywn take Alexia Grande to watch a documentary on Tibetan slavery

>>150122608
>spams about how we should report and ignore shitposting
>his post gets reported and deleted
lmao irony

>>150122698
>steamgroup shitposters are animefags
Well that explains their autism

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Rate my ottoman game lads.

>>150122878
>muh steamgroup boogeyman
>hates anime
Explains R&Ifags' autism.

>>150119567
>>150122117
>>150119764
>>150119976
holy shit massive incoming alex youth butthurt

>r&i's post deleted
did cobra become a janny

>>150119552
># Archive
># Mods
Why is there a hashtag?

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>>150122698
>The Last Emperor released in Japan
>30 seconds of Nanjing Rape is cut out
>director was never asked permission

Never change Japan...never change

>>150123313
There's no point putting unnecessary historical accuracies in a film, after all.

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Does anyone have the download link for the eu4 to vic2 converter?
I don't have a paracucks account and can't get on their forum.

>general starts to finally die on summer after 2 (two (TWO)) big releases
really makes you think

>>150123313
>>150123540
>""""rape"""" of Nanking
>historically accurate
Wow, you sure do like to suck little Chinese cock, don't you, Gaijin?

Can ironclads beat a fleet of battleships/crusiers/dreadnoughts?

>>150124043
Most people don't like autists

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>>150122505
Should I stay focusing on clergymen at the beginning or should I just go around conquering everything I can?

Does conquering even gives a good amount of research points?

>>150123313
That's really fucking pathetic.

>>150124056
No point in denying it, mate.

>>150123991
https://github.com/Idhrendur/paradoxGameConverters/releases/tag/EU4ToVic2-1.0A
This? If it isn't give me the forum link.

>>150124071
No.

>>150124043
Yeah u can't discuss either on here

>>150123991
Here's the download link

www.trob.com

>>150124134
What's there to deny?

>>150124203
>FORBIDDEN You don't have permission to access this server
>look at source code
><frame src="http://www.fuckoff.com"; frameborder="0" />

ebin memes

>>150124157
>>150124131
https://github.com/Idhrendur/paradoxGameConverters/tree/master/EU4toV2
There's a more recent one here

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The first opium war has gone on for 10 years now.

total casualties: 15k
battles fought: 1

The brits are not doing A SINGLE FUCKING THING AND FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT GETTING ANY TICKING WARSCORE

If they want something from me they'll have to come and get it. I'm not gonna do something suicidal like invading india. This is their war, not mine. If they don't interfere with me in the next 2 years I'm cheating a victory for me. This is probably really fucking them over, they've been mobilized this whole time.

>>150124353
enjoy the 6 GB of robmod.zip's downloaded to your computer :^)

>>150124134
The """""""rape""""""" of Nanking was fabricated by the Chinese to earn sympathy from the west and make Japan look like the badguys

>>150124523
>he asked for Opium war
Thats exacly what happens anon.
Be lucky they didnt invade you over Burma and 10vs1 your soldiers

>>150124734
srsly? I hope you don't really believe this, pal. Don't get brainwashed.

>>150124734
>meanwhile in Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdzrgJA_iWA

>>150124131
Honestly both, you need Afghanistan and Baluschistan to become relevant. Don't blob into proper Afghanistan until you're one reform away from westernizing.
And yes, blobbing can get you a shitload of research points defending on the region.

>>150124917
>Don't get brainwashed.

Says the brainwashed chink.

>steamgrouppe thread

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>>150124734
http://www.salon.com/2010/03/31/as_film_japan_massacre_documentary/

Sure thing, nip

does anyone know when HPM will be back in the thread? I wanted to ask him to reshape a province border.

>>150124131
Sikh.
Attack Persia to prevent Brits taking your Kashmir.

>>150125157
HPM has left /gsg/ because of all the shitposting and now works on the forums

>>150124917
I'm not brainwashed, it's the truth. The Chinese are sneaky little backstabbing subhumans, you can't trust anything they say.
>>150125106
>Salon
I accept your surrender

>>150125167
No curry.

Japs pls leave

>>150125404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvertGZkwF4

>>150124523
Is their AI broken? Burma should be in their sphere so they'll just walk right through. Might be worth saving/loading if you're actually interested in a logical resolution to the war. Or do the no FOW cheat to see where their armies are. Normally they'll also send stacks of 4 ships to blockade your entire coastline. I'd be willing to bet the AI just switched off.

>>150125270
t. Johan

>>150125494
Die dirty chink

>>150125583
What happened? Did somebody steal their holy cow?

>there are people who get triggered that their country fucked up badly another and try to desperately deny it
My country genocided half of another one and yet does not try to hide it.

Japanese diplomacy confirmed for being sperg tier.

>Japan is the Grossgermania of Asia
>The US is the Grossgermania of NA
>Brazil is the Grossgermania of Africa
>Ottomemes are the Grossgermania of the Middle East

What is the grossgermania of Africa?

Is this a bug? I'm getting a stab hit for good relations when my opinion of the defender is -10 (neutral).

_______________ is based

>>150125943
Brazil.

>>150126008
️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ ️️ is based.

>>150126008
romaniums
frankoniums
americaniums

>>150125943
Meant to say Brazil is the gross germania of South America

>>150125391
Jesus, you really are brainwashed.

>>150125943
you said it yourself

>>150125943
Toucoleur Massina or Mali

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r8

>>150125941
Japan was attacked. We beat the chinks to a bloody pulp, and then they cry that we did fucked up shit that never happened because they try to save face

>>150126221
NICE BLOB~

I r8 treddit/10 XD

>>150126253
See >>150125494

hpm decision to destroy the statue of liberty when

>>150126143
I'm not brainwashed at all, I'm just telling how it really happened. You've been listening to Chinese propoganda

>>150126221
Colonizing Portugal as Brazil.
Wew.

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>>150126253
>Japan was attacked
>random drunk chink accidentaly fires a single artillery a few Kms away
>invade half of the entire coast and kill millions of people for """"""""self-defense""""""""
>implying Manchuria wasn't being dominated
Fucking Japs disgust me when they are not making their cartoons.

>>150124523
Inb4 the Brits send 10 ships to blockade your coast and you have to peace out because of WE

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0-4 Siam
5-9 Persia

>>150126253
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

"but...but US-enpai, they attacked me first!!1!11!"

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>>150126745
I haven't, I have been reading independent and neutral material. You're brainwashed.

Have a nice johan for your hardships.

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>>150126745

>>150127456
Johan is based.

t. Johan (based)

>>150126949
It wasnt some drunk chink. It was an ordered attack. Stop reading Chinese propoganda. As for invading the coast, the Chinese wanted total war and we gave it to them. What did we allegedly do in Manchuria now?

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why wont they assimilate?
fucking jews

>>150126802
It's actually a puppet.

>>150127584
Because the Qing thought that they had a chance at beating the Japanese when they'd been getting their ass handed to them by outsiders (including Russia, who Japan beat) for a hundred years?

>Chinese
>propaganda
>Chinese

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Meanwhile in East Asia, the chinese empire has turned into the Chinese diaspora, Indian powerbases are forming and Japan is full operational.

With the declaration of the mighty Bharat empire, indian supremacy seems all but assured, however one question remains; Spread the hindu faith or spread Sikhism?

>>150127584
>we
are you japanese?

>>150127242
wew

>>150121901
80% for me, so it could be anywhere from 75 - 80%

>>150127764
Sikh Empire, mate

>>150127242
What has this to do with anything?
>>150127456
You can't be reading anything objective or else you'd agree with me. The West has been completely baited by the Chinks with their sob story
>>150127740
Manchuria wasn't dominates, it was liberated
>>150127750
You'd be suprised
>>150127808
Is that relevant?

Meneth here, AMA me anything.

Is jap posting the fresh new meme?

>>150128549
Liberated from whom, pray tell? From the Manchu Qing dynasty?

>>150127660
can someone seriously tell me why my pops aren't assimilating. it just says no valid target.

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>>150128549
>Manchuria wasn't dominates, it was liberated
Just like Russia liberated Eastern Europe, isn't it?

>>150128549
you said "we", so I assumed you were

>>150128868
Ashkenazi POPs get a massive negative modifier to assimilation. Which makes sense, seeing as many, especially in Russia, lived in Jewish enclaves, spoke Yiddish primarily, and didn't integrate into Slavic Russian culture.

>>150129192
Sure but it says the same thing, "no valid target" when i hover over the Irish, Polish, Russians, Dutch, and even British pops

>>150128549
But for real, you're brainwashed.

>>150129352
Ah, you're playing Australia. You haven't got any Australian POPs in that province, now do you. Kinda need them for the rest to assimilate.

>>150128875
>>150128801
There was a very large Japnese population living there which was persecuted by the Russian immigrants in Harbin and the chinks. Japan did what any government would do and put an end to it and brought peace, security, and prosperity to all in Manchuria
>>150129413
How I am wrong??

>>150128875
Operation August Storm was a stomp and pretty satisfying to read about.

>>150129760
are you a weeb or a dirty jap

>>150129352
You need a valid target, obviously.
If you can't figure out what a "valid target" for assimilation is, you should just stop playing.

>>150125391
>The Chinese are sneaky little backstabbing subhumans, you can't trust anything they say.
Yeah but the Germans and Americans said it exists too, like on-scene because they had reporters or adivsers there at the time.

>>150130318
How do I get a valid target

>>150129760
WE

>>150128549
>we liberated the Manchurians from themselves
Ye okay

>>150127740
They got blown the fuck out by the Japanese in person already.

>>150129760
>Liberating oppressed Japanese minority

...That's...even worse of an excuse than the whole "protecting rail lines that most people use to justify it. Mainly because the Wanpaoshan Incident concerned KOREANS, not Japanese settlers in Manchuria.

The whole "persecuted minorities, we must liberate them" nonsense doesn't hold water, especially considering how much the Japanese had been lusting after mainland territory for centuries (for more, see Hideyoshi and the Imjin War)

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>>150128549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk

>>150130975
>>150128549
Fun fact: Historical Japanese people around the time of Ming and early Qing were so short, even compared to the already-smaller-than-Europeans Chinese, than the Chinese literally called them the Dwarf-people.

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>VEE WAZU RIBERATORU ANDO SHITTO

>>150130026
Only because it was end of war and no real Jap units were there or had supplies
>>150130503
And guess who they both advised??? Hint: Not Japan
They were most likely paid off by the Chinese for false reporting. This is well documents phenomenon in history
>>150130725
Not from themselves. They liberated Japs and helped everyone else too

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>>150131069
WRONG

WRONG

WRONG

WHITTU PIGGU GO HOME
>>150131184
>Japanese woman doing something beside chores
DELETE THIS

Men I sure love VIDEOGAMES

>>150131385
I SURE LOVE SHITPOSTING ON /GSG/

>>150131226
>Not from themselves. They liberated Japs and helped everyone else too
What are you even talking about
The resident Manchus (MANCHUria) were literally also the ones in charge of the Qing.

>They were most likely paid off by the Chinese for false reporting
The Chinese at that point had so little fucking money they couldn't afford hats or uniforms for their soldiers or even enough weapons, let alone actual guns. They had jack-all for money to spend on anything.

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>>150131459
>Arguing with Japanese
Protip - there are only two nations more brainwashed/vain than Japan

India with envy toward Brits and Argentinians with envy towards Falklands and all that sweet sweet oil.


On the other hand Japs have that feudal peasant mentality so they are good workers, id give tham that. Unless they go crazy from it and visit local woods.

>>150131184
Alright, alright, Japan bashing is fun occasionally (well, to some, I suppose), but this is a grand "strategy" games board. Let's try to be somewhat reasonable, eh?

Anyways, to the Aussie player, you need Australian POPs in the province for assimilation into Aussie culture to occur.

I've run out of ideas for Vicky 2 runs (finished Reconquista Mexico, PLC, Mughal India). Anyone got any recommendations?

>>150131842
India is funny as hell because they were fucked up by the revolutionary Chinese of all people.

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remove burger

>>150131978
Oh my.
Tell me more.

>>150132012
>coroppingu
pigu disugusutu

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>>150132012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War
Also a story I don't have a source on besides some Chinese professor telling fun facts was that apparently an Indian general actually got lost and stumbled right into Mao, who promptly captured him. Like, just walked up to him and said come with me.

>>150130780
You're correct, Wanoposhan was with Koreans. Another example of Japan bringing security and peace to EVRYONE like I said before
>>150131069
Lies.
>>150131459
paid off doesn't mean it has to be hair money. It can also be in form of recources, industry (see Supreme Liar John Rabe), and other favors
>>150131842
You must be Chinese. Chinese have no minds, they are robots with little penises. They have 0 social skill and only plant rice. That's all they're good at. After they're done for the day, they go back to worshipping the maniac who killed 90 million of them: Mao

>>150132051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

India lost a war to China.

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>>150131934
Did someone say Japan bashing?
>>150132012
What happens if you rush Nukes and do it in 43?
Is Roosevelt stated in text?

>>150131458
*grandiposting*

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>>150131842
Callate negro envidioso, cuantas copas tenes?

>>150132238
Shiet >>150132051

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all right /gsg/
I need help
it's been years since I've touched ck2 and I'm kind of lost as to which dlc/mods/game version I should use for best enjoyment
what settings do you use?

>>150132396
t. Alejandro Perez Grandote

>>150132293
Ahahah, yeah, no. This guy ain't Japanese. The Japanese revile and abhor Koreans (for the most part).

For reference, Koreans don't like Japan for the whole colonial period (source: my parents and grandparents). The Japanese don't like Korea for not shutting up about the colonial period.

Also, you said "Japanese population." Now you're just backpedaling.

Can we please get back to shitposting?

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>>150132750

>>150132298
Barely-out-of-the-Red-Shitstorm China too.

>>150132293
>security and peace
Creating a desert isn't peace you idiotic nip,

>they are robots with little penises
>accidentally describing the Japanese trying to bash the Chinese
Most of your ancient culture was lifted straight from...Tang China, even half your language both spoken and written was copied off Tang-Era Old Chinese. Hell even some of your holidays are lifted from that period.

>lies
What do you think Wokou means?

>paid off doesn't mean it has to be money
The Chinese had NOTHING, they didn't even always own the clothes on their backs.

>>150132719
2.4.5 with DLC up to Horse Lords
Conclave is shite.

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>1890
>half the developed world has already turned communist

>>150132804
>Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliY

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What's the best way to depopulate Ireland apart from the genocide decision in HPM? I want a British majority in Ireland.

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Average Paradox Poster

>>150132974
desu concubines not being moddable at all pisses me off
I want the reigning Queen of France to be my whore ffs

>>150132876
thanks
is Charlemagne and Rajas needed if I'm never going to bother with that stuff?
does it add gameplay?

>>150132974
What a shitty screenshot.

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>>150132876
>Conclave is shite.


u retarded??

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>>150132293
>a jap saying chinks have no minds, are robots, have small dicks, 0 social skills and only plant rice
fucking epic, this is pure gold

someone screencap this please

>>150132943
Have really poor army and keep raising militancy up by changing goverments.
Irish will rebel first and then you wipe them out.
Note - India will get pissed too.

>>150133070
Just take it from the archive and get a removal-of-india mod.

>>150133115
>Shaddered redreed
>epin badboy
>muh COUNCIL, literally the first thing you do every game is kill it
>fan-fucking-tastic education system (not)
Mhmm

>>150132804
So he's just an autistic weeaboo after all?

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>>150132719
2.4.5 is enjoyable if you can't run mods

Latest version all DLC with HIP is the best " vanilla " experience. If you download it say " yes" to the remove India and Southern Africa option. And Fuck VIET events turn them off.

Latest Patch with all DLC + Game of Thrones mod is the best CKII experience you can have. You have to know the world though to appreciate it. But it has a fuck ton of mechanics and features that no other mods have.

>>150133298
He's a falseflagging baiter you dumbass
Even the most idiotic brainwashed nips, by virtue of having found 4chan and presumably not being completely new, know how to not sound so extreme as to be immediately disregarded. It's like defending the jews or Bernie outright on /pol/, no, you can't do that whether or not you're right.

>>150132804
I'm not backpedling at all, and would you please show me where I said Japs like Koreans or vice versa?
>>150132876
>Japs=Tang dynasty
Nice try sneaky Chink
Chinese influence in Japan is way over-played.
Honestly, how much does it matter what kind of dress Japanese nobility wore 1,300 years ago, or how they drew their paintings? In the end we all wear T-shirts and watch TV.
The real influence of Chinese traditional philosophy, governing structure, and value systems were not passed on to Japan, mainly to their detriment.
The Yamato Court of the Asuka, Nara, and Heian Periods tried very hard to implement Chinese style practices in government (the actual important stuff, not just clothing and art).

>>150133618
>The real influence of Chinese traditional philosophy, governing structure, and value systems were not passed on to Japan, mainly to their detriment.
You LITERALLY use the Confucian 4-class system to organize your society. The only thing you missed really was the Imperial Exams and the actual, sophisticated bureaucracy, mainly because you were literally 1800 years behind in government organization, Sengoku-era court and government was basically Spring and Autmn period for China - 700BCE to 200BCE, compared to 1500s for Japan, meaning you couldn't implement them if you wanted to.
>value systems not passed on
Which values weren't passed on?

>>150133882
>they didnt implement Imperial Exams
Wasnt that like best thing ever in China?

Pride in one's own race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them.

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>>150119552
>Japanese submarine I-58 sinks the USS Indianapolis, killing 883 seamen

But we delivered the bumb

Aside from disregarding the baiting weeaboo, is CK2 worthwhile for a Vicky 2 fan? Been thinking about getting it for a while now but then Conclave came out and that was apparently not very popular.

>>150133980
In theory yeah but it started becoming a Confucian circlejerk later on.
Legalism shouldn't have died out, it's much more suited to bureaucracy than pure Confucianism.
Either way, it was good in a way for making sure the guys entering bottom-tier bureaucracy weren't illiterate bums who knew fucking nothing about administration, protocol, and procedure.
>the punishment for taking bribes was getting skinned alive and having that skin made into a chair, on which your successor would sit after being informed where it came from
Effective. Bloody, but effective.

>>150134051
Who are you?

>>150134309
>the punishment for taking bribes was getting skinned alive and having that skin made into a chair, on which your successor would sit after being informed where it came from

I dont see why they stopped really.
Except modern princelings getting skinned would be a problem.

>>150134418
>I dont see why they stopped really.
Human rights.

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>>150134309
You know who I am.

Do nukes even do anything in HoI4?

>>150134309
So are you Chink?
Can you describe a bit what Confucianism did to the system. I dont know much about it.
>>150134469
>China
>human rights

>>150133275
>muh COUNCIL, literally the first thing you do every game is kill it
Yeah it's not like monarchs throughout history were impeded by their subjects and strove to rid themselves of their meddling (sun king)

>Shaddered redreed
Shit feature, I agree.

>epin badboy
Rulers uniting against a common threat is somehow an unreasonable thing

>>150134257

Fun if you like RPGs and storytelling. The game is really easy and doesn't have an economy/industry/politics like V2 so you basically have to set yourself goals like trying to revive paganism or sticking to one kingdom to have any sort of challenge. Otherwise it's too easy to blob.

>>150134469
Chinese ARENT humans, so human rights don't apply

>>150134549

They remove 15% national unity and damage all the structures and infrastructures in the target province. Doesn't sound like much but the USA capitulated as soon as I took New York and Philadelphia because I nuked them to 20% national unity.

>>150134487
But muh Ragnar Lodbrok
Muh Bjorn Ironside
Muh Brynhildr
Muh Varangians

>>150134582
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_occupations

>human rights
The memes aside, we sort of do respect most of them, rude old shits aside.
Also it's more a problem of international politics and civil unrest.

>>150134762
We might be Gods among Men but we're still technically humans.

>>150134683
Ah, danke schön. Hopefully the Plague DLC is decent. Wish they removed badboy though, I've had enough of that in Vicky (playing most uncivs without save scumming for infamy is nerve wracking at best), not even to mention EU4.

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>>150134910
So what is your opinion on this?

>>150135078
EU4's badboy is a lot better imho because it's at least regional.

>>150135114
When you've got 1/7 (or a bit more, not sure anymore) of the whole world' population, you're going to have a lot more shitty people simply due to having more people in total. For another example, look at India.

If we compare China to India...China actually seems better off, I'll be honest. China has its horribly shitty qualities but India is another level.

>>150135078

HIP (the most popular overhaul mod) removes badboy and coalitions, pretty sure CK2Plus does as well. The game is boring as fuck without mods so you'll end up using them anyway. Don't worry about that shit.

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>>150135329
India is India mate.
Here.
Be horrified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPne-q4ynts

>>150135329
When do you think that gommunism will die in mainlaind China? Would the KMT return to it and participate in the elections if that happened?

/gsg/ is satire

>>150135538
No, Mainlanders and Taiwanese are waaay too different. You see this already with Hong Kong.

>>150135114
Eh
I'm not sure about 'worst' because the indians and SEA niggers are way fucking worse (I had a fatass 5* hotel manager talk to me about his glory days in war and fucking girls left and right when he felt like a thirsty virgin the way he came onto my sister), but we're pretty fucking bad these days.
I blame Mao - his cultural revolution didn't purge values completely yet failed to actually leave them intact
Basically there's three layers to a culture, there's the basic values, the heritage, and the actions expected
As it is, Mao managed to rip up the values and some of the actions but not all of them and left the heritage in shambles yet failed to actually denounce it thoroughly. Having lost our traditional values and lost ties to our heritage, we proceeded to essentially rip western values but partially retained Chinese logic and expected actions (mashing it with western ones), then insisting on our rich heritage despite having little to no real relationship in either value or action
Therefore you get shit like, for example, expecting children to defer to parents...which is all well and good except our culture now values individuality and creativity but none of our actions actually line up with that shit, making us inconsistent, confused, angry, and generally asses to be around.
And yes, we are fucking brutal in business.

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So, guys, I really like GS games, I think they're great and all. But I'm for sort of a minimalist's approach to the spreadsheets, and am more into a hearts of iron type game, in regard to its war focus, but I don't like the scale, meaning just WWII. Which game is best if I want large scale war planning and strategy over a large time period?

>>150135684
Yes, but when and how could gommunism fall in China?

can't we stop fighting and just agree Turks are based?

>>150135538

Communism might die but China is never going to be democratic. Try talking to a Chink about their country's politics and they'll do nothing but defend the government and everything they do. Most of them think democracy is bad and that Mao Zedong was a hero.

Take this from someone who gave up teaching chinks English and moved to Japan instead to escape them. When it comes to politics they're completely brainwashed.

How does Paradox decide on country colors? They just seem so right. I mean, can you imagine a purple Ottomemes or blue Germany?

>>150135895
>>150135695
Speaking about China...give or take 1 thing is sure.
We might be killing each other worldwide but Chinks...theyre closest thing we got to a working collectivist society. Mao is going to print his red books on Mars.

>>150135895
>Most of them think democracy is bad
No they fucking don't, t. Chink in University
Old fuckers do, younger ones don't

>Mao was a hero
He was a very competent leader, but he's not a hero. I'd say instead that he did the best he could with the shithole he was presented with

>defend the government
Yeah no. Fuck's sake even our professors have a good chance of dissing the government these days.

Still, and I know this is going to prove your point
>pure democracy
>not inefficient
I prefer a limited dictatorship desu, just make the voting override like 65 or 75% instead of 50% so it stops the dictator from doing insanely retarded shit but lets him be if the council / congress / parliament is divided.

>>150135895
I'd argue more about China being too big and diverse (geographically and culturally) for democracy to work. I mean, look at India. Everything gets stuck in bureaucracy and swamped in corruption.

Totalitarianism is one of the few ways to effectively manage a country that large and highly populated.

>>150135895
But democracy IS bad.
Unless some major shit happens every party elected will keep status quo up and do nothing.

Not to mention conservatives are mostly the winners anyway.

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>>150135895
I'm not Chinese but Democracy really has jackshit going for it besides not usually getting absolutely horrid leaders.
Your elected leaders spend millions trying to convince people with empty promises then step up and do basically shit-all except maybe run for re-election.
You listen to the people, sure, but the people don't always know what the fuck they're on about (lower taxes xd!!! Create a bubble! etc.) and you get absolutely drowned in quagmires of bureaucracy and shitty parliamentary stalemates lasting for months on end.

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what

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>>150119764
Ayy el mao, r&i btfo

>>150136698

Ideally in democracy a leader is compelled to excel at his position because otherwise the voters will vote for someone else. Unfortunately most voters vote out of ignorance or don't bother voting at all.

I still think it's better than a dictatorship where the worst case scenario is genocide or a police state though.

>>150137027
China isn't a one-person dictatorship though.
Plus the reason the Chinese support the government is mainly because they're doing a smashing job these days, at least none of the massive fuck-ups that Europe and the US are undergoing.

>>150136679
Retake Constantinople

>>150135803
Gommunism already fell modern CCP is like a competent KMT

>>150136737
What is this?

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>>150137437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm7rOKT151Y

>>150137027
The value of stability in a democracy is ridiculously underrated when you think of politics from a purely efficient-driven videogame-like perspective. People disagree, especially in large, diverse countries. In a democracy, this often causes a bureaucratic mess of different powers effectively keeping each other in a standstill, unless a certain policy becomes so overwhelmingly popular that politicians can't keep it from happening. It's slow, very slow, and incredibly frustrating. Governments go without any significant changes being made. But it's steady.

Dictatorships, autocracies and other highly centralized powers get things done (and even possibly good things)... and then cause utter collapses of state, often with civil war and terrible bloodshed that scars a people for generations. Because democracy gives people the hope that they can change things. I lost now, there's another vote in 4 years. Law didn't pass now, we can try again in the next congress. There's hardly a NEED for violence. Dictatorship leaves only two options: conform or revolt. People tend to conform, because no one fucking likes war except sociopathic war addicts who are a tiny minority. But eventually things just might get either bad enough or urgent enough, and when it happens you just get these situations that will usually cause enough damage to throw a country decades into the past.

>>150127456
>independent and neutral material.
Not him, but I'm literally lmaoing@yourlife rn. It's 2016, there's no such thing as independent and neutral material

>>150138103
Not seeing the point? I just watched three go up this month near a residential district so it's not all in places that aren't needed.

>>150136679
Tale everything the danube touches

>>150138150
And the problem then is how to achieve stability in a dictatorship without killing off all of its potency. Democracies are also subject to the problem of Silent Majority and political correctness, where people vote one way simply because the people they know vote one way and certain thoughts are prohibited not by government but by implication.

>>150138045
With a name like "witw" which I did a google search for, I assume it's "war in the west"

Didn't know there were so many dirty gooks posting in /gsg/

>>150138539
ikr, I don't western gooks but legit eastern gooks are cancerous human beings. Not the Japs though, luv u guys <B

>>150138539
Unless you're Persian, Spanish, British, French, German, or Scandinavian in heritage you really can't call someone else 'dirty'.

>>150138413
Why don't we talk about those games here?

>>150138798
It's even more of a wargame than HOI3 which is barely grand strategy to begin with.

>>150138539
Unless you're of European, Iranian, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese,*

>>150138150

Pretty much. It seems to be the edgy cool opinion to support dictatorships or monarchies but everyone is quick to forget why we got rid of them in the first place.

A dictatorship might be great when you have an Augustus or Trajan in charge, but all it takes is one Nero to irreparably fuck everything up.

>>150138741
>nips
>gooks
Gooks are the Koreans ain't they
Koreans are a meme race to begin with.

>>150139007
The problem with democracy though is that the governed people become so populous and fuckhuge that you spend aeons trying to get anything done.

a lot of reddit today here huh?

>>150136679
Give Kaiserslautern up 2bh

>>150138795
>spanish
Ayyyyyyyy

>>150139140
They were legit for a while. The Persians ain't legit no more, neither are the French or Scandis, but they were legit for a bit.

>>150136679
NGF borders look outright disgusting

>>150139007
Even good, capable, well-meaning, popular dictators can cause situations to spiral into a terrible mess by the very nature of the government, even if it was not by their fault. An economic crisis started elsewhere, a private incident, a natural disaster, an ambitious faction, a corrupt official - there's just too much that can go wrong. People from stable countries see stagnation and complacency and get understandably frustrated and upset - they just don't realize how dangerous the alternative is.

>>150139373
They're not too bad aside from fucking Holstein.

>>150139110
Anybody can be a gook. Rhodesian soldiers called black terrorists gooks.

>>150139530
That too, but I think it's Kaiserslautern that is triggering me desu

>>150139007
Yeah, a dictatorship is a great form of government if literally everyone involved in the government is both capable and benevolent. Meaning the only time it could feasibly work, is in a really small country where the HoS doesn't need to delegate as much and can get involved if there does happen to be a corrupt/incompetent person doing damage. And even then it could easily be thrown out the window when the guy dies or something.

>>150139653
Koreans are the niggers of the K-J-C trio though, just like the Viets are the niggers of East Asia in general

>>150139756
>just like the Viets are the niggers of East Asia in general
Tell us more

>>150139948
There's nothing to tell? They do WEWUZ IMPERIAL shit all the time.

>>150139756
t. Uncle Sam
Viets are based. Koreans are indeed disgusting, nigger-tier subhumans

>>150140034
>Viets are based
They're neither based (Son Goku was ours! We invented Confucianism! Qin's Empra was a Viet!) not cultured.

>>150140010
Huh, really? I'd figure that it'd be the Cambodians if anyone.

>>150140150
Cambodians aren't counted by me as East Asia, E-Asia is more like 'Sinosphere' the way I'm using it
Cambodians are pig-disgusting too though. My story about the fat hotel manager >>150135695 was in Cambodia and their cities literally look halfway into the stone age.

>>150140309
In which game?

>>150140034
Does that mean I can make black jokes without being racist now?

>>150140407
The Grand Game of Life. The one you lost.

Are Thailand and Kuala Lumpur the only decent places in SEA?
Phillipines looks unironically more dangerous than most of Latin America and Africa.

>>150140482
All I know is I unironically found a loli prostitute giving someone head in Cambodia, which could be either disgusting, decent, or based depending on what you like I guess.
Ain't Thailand the land of traps and curry?

>>150140482
>be in philippines
>do crime
>get shot

the new president or whoever is encouraging vigilante justice against thugs

>>150140809
>>150140482
Filipinos are unironically, like not even /pol/, subhuman as fuck. Seriously, what's even going on there?

>>150140947
in manila? traffic, drugs, prostitution, and crime

outside of manila, just prostitution, crime, and slums

>>150141151
As I said

>>150140947
Kids, that's why you don't colonize. Bad shit happens to native populations. Considering the Philippinos got colonized thrice (Spanish, American, Japanese), they're just a bit fucked.

Pretty much most colonized nations with a decent population of native peoples left over end up being a bit... messed up.

>>150141327
Same reason China is fucked, their core values and expected actions don't match.

>tfw every time I google a country's colonies in Africa or elsewhere, I get a bunch of "whitey is evil" results

>>150141903
They weren't always nice tbqh even if quality of life in general improved

>>150141903
what

>>150141903
you must personally apologize and pay taxes to rectify

>>150119552
So I'm playing my first game as Persia in HPM and I was wondering, if I'm trying to raise my literacy and civilize as fast as possible, is it more beneficial to encourage beuracrats first in order to get my admin efficiency up fast or should I just encourage intellectuals from the get-go? Does admin efficiency affect how efficient your NF is at promoting pops to intellectuals?

>>150142714
>Does admin efficiency affect how efficient your NF is at promoting pops to intellectuals?
Yes. So do it.

>>150142714
There's a reason it's called liquor and bureaucrat simulator kiddo.

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Got all my cores, what now?

>>150142906
Show the white man who's boss.

Seriously, go try and fuck up Britain.

>>150142906
uninstall.exe

>>150142906
dismantle britain

>>150142714
It's more efficient to go bureaucrats first in states where the large majority of the people are of an accepted culture, but not in the ones with unaccepted pops (which are a lot of Persian states, especially if you blob). In the latter you're better off going straight for intellectuals.

What EU4 mods are people playing nowadays?

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wew Belgium

>>150142987
>>150143007
I will, but I won't form India, game has been pretty comfy so far and I want to keep it this way. Don't even think I'll puppet them, just sphere all breakaway states.

>>150144026
Robmod

www.trob.com

>>150144095
I like the beats fast and the Bas-Congo.

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Why the fuck is there still no DLC for Stellaris?

Did Johan forget that game exists?

>>150144376
You're saying that like it's a bad thing. I'd rather have big DLC that takes awhile to make.

>>150144376
They are on vacation.

>>150144376

went on summer hols

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>>150139130
Done

>>150138324
What am I missing lad?

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>It is 31.07.2016
>Poland still doesn't have a core on Wilno in HPM.

>>150144624
Wallachia, son.

>>150144624
Nothing it's perfect just annex that little Bulgaria and moldova though.

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Is Charlemagne DLC worth it? haven't played ck2 in like a year and wanted to play with something new

Can someone upload no man's land (the Sahara impassible mod) to mega or moddb?

>>150144796
It's not worth it, just pirate it.

>>150144796
ASANAGIIIIIIIIII

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>>150144789
I've got Wallachia though

>>150144792
?

>>150145152
Whoops, I meant Bulgaria. I don't always recall all the colours.

>>150145152
Yup. Don't forget to industrialize around the danube.

>>150144529
>>150144535
>>150144564
But how is he not selling 10 HOT NEW ALIEN FACES all day long?

>>150145406
If you sell too much cosmetic dlcs the normies will catch up so the master jew johan is waiting to maximize his shekels.

>>150144981
From where

>>150145612
From the fucking mega you borb.

>>150144996
He? makes the roundest, most delicious tits

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>>150144940
>Tfw the steam downloader doesn't work
Pls bros

>>150145762
It's a he
I wish it were a she though

>>150145717
holy shit i'm blind, thanks anon

Can you no longer annex Hawaii via decision?

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>Italy

>>150145553
I think Johan could get away with it

>>150145943
Only Pacific nations can, so no more germanian hawaii memes. Details are in the changelog.

>>150145943
You can but you need to own land in the pacific or polynesia

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What the fuck? They aren't even westernized

>>150145779
>all that fucking makeup
KILL
IT
NOW

>>150146354
GREAT CHINA SHALL PREVAIL

>>150146387
The trouble with the Peking convention territory is that the Chinks can't ever remove the Russian cores, so even if they win now the Russians will just keep coming back for it over and over and over again like France and Alsace-Lorraine.

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Got Moldova

Why is EU4 so fucking shitty?

>>150147205
It's not you just have shitty taste.

>>150140482
Butthurt Malay detected.

That's the only reason anyone would leave out the only SEA country with a first-world HDI & GDP/person.

Also, you're delusional if you think Thailand is in anyway safe.

>>150144026
meiou and taxes

>>150147205
Mana, it ruins the fucking game

>>150146968
Don't you have Polish accepted?

>>150146968
1. Annex Bulgaria
2. Take southern Bulgaria, Macedonia and Albania
3. Puppet Greece
4. Liberate Greek cores
5. Take Constantinople

Which game lets me have sex with my own daughter?

>>150146968
If you want to blob then take Poland and Ukraine too

I claim this thread in the name of r/paradoxplaza.

At what literacy should I begin building factories?

>>150147205
desu I find it ugly. CK2 and HOI4 are ugly as shit too not even memeing but Vicky2 has best map desu family I stick to EU3 if I wanna play that period and not burn my eyeballs

>>150147252
I unironically forgot about Singapore, sorry lad

>>150147394
Yes

>>150147431
No

>>150147619
I'm not blobbing, just taking the areas around the Danube

>>150148113
>Yes
Then take Polish majority regions

>>150148113
but diversity is your strenght lad, you need to go full multiculti and take Poland, Ukraine and possibly Northern Italy

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>>150148262
I want to take back Lombardia eventually. Ukrainian isn't an accepted culture by the way

>>150148213
That looks kind of ugly to me

>>150148262
t.merkel

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>>150148370

>>150147975
1%

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Rate my comfy border plans, lads
westernized in 1863 by the way

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>>150148370
just do this if you dont want to be a stupid blobber who gives a shit about accepted cultures

>>150149014
What's the point in that tiny sliver of British land?

Do you have a core or accepted cultures there or something?

>>150148370
I think it would look nice.

>>150149014
Drive back the white devil and make Shaka proud

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Do I claim castile's throne /lolg/

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>>150149162
It looks pretty bad when on the hands of the British, makes me look like a blob. The rest of Xhosaland is maily British, but I suppose I could take all of it. It wouldn't be the first time I go to war for just one tiny province either, I literally just forced the British to give me the western tip of Mozambique only to changeowner all but one province back to the Portuguese.

>>150149491
yes