/domg/ - Dominions General

>>149999357
+Get fed Ulmites
-Need more Ulmites

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The glorious return of Pan edition.

Let furfaggotry and memes rule these threads and this game once more!

Rlyeh saw your thug, was awful, you need good gear - contact me via steam chat!

Also I know who else hates birds!

Also I know everything!

Is blitzserver gone for good?

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>>150000087
I'm in chat right now, teach me your ways Hungry Hungry Hinnom!

>>149999357
Oh god, I remember reading PCGamer's playthrough. Turmoil and misfortune while refusing to use Blood Magic on Lanka. I believe they took a heavy D bless with that monolith as well. It pains me to think about it.

>>150002746
Someone should add the tale of Balboa, Reluctant Confiner of Blood Slaves, Befriender of Stray Dogs and Bringer of the Utterdark, to the OP.

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>think it'll be cool to pretend to be straight up cthulhu
>having kind of a hard time because insanes aren't as cool as undead swarms
>summoning shit from the rift
>stupidly doing it with not-cthulhu himself
>fucking rift demon spawns out and beats my ass
>read up on it
>apparently they will always hunt you down again and again because they're soul bound
>think it's bullshit
>mfw the rest of the game this fucking douchebag will randomly show up to destroy not-cthulhu's shit and there's nothing I can do

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>>150003905
>try any sort of thematic roleplay build
>get shit on even by AI

>>150004734
Well, you could make an RP house rules game where everyone is expected to play to that standard

>>150001865

So am I now.

>>150004847
How would you enforce it?

>>150007290
You don't, but I've played in RP house rules games in the past and player interactions worked out perfectly fine (and thematic builds and playstyle with varying degrees of success: I think that game was the first time tribless Ermor was played)

Is there any way to beat Ashen Empire Ermor after they've covered the world in complete darkness? Just how do you get through all those fucking skeletons?

>>150008661
Recruit more mundane infantry units. Since each one of them is statistically superior to their undead chaff, as long as you have enough of them you'll be sure to win.

t. Skeleton Shill.

>>150008661

If they have Utterdark up? No, not really. You're fucked unless you can get it dispelled. Unless you're playing a nation which already has a lot of darkvision/undead/demonic stuff.

Skeleton hordes can be dispensed with through simple application of battlefield-wide magic without needing to kill their global, though.

You'll lose the casters as well if they've got a B9 bless, but it cuts the skeleton chaff swarm right down, and from there you can start taking steps to counter the Lictors. It's the Lictors where things get tricky without the ability to fucking see anything. And better hope you already have the stuff you need to do that, because your income is now entirely spent on upkeep.

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>>150008661
You start with defensive rain of stones x 3. This kills all of their chaff. All of it. Then you have lictors and spellcasters to deal with. I recommend something flying with magical weapons to deal with the casters, and some nasty undead-killing spells to deal with the lictors. Or you can just route them, they have a morale check after all.

>>150008661
firebrand and fireshield equipped thugs assisted by mages

Here's my full nation description stuff, I've put it in the steam comments as well, and when the final version of the mod goes up then it'll be linked to the units in the inspector, but for those curious, here it is:
http://pastebin.com/KvEWqx5C

>>149999719
Ye gods.

Final chance, good position La Ulm, previous owner had computer destroyed by the Illumernaty, inquire here or in chat.

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Why is vampire queen so fucking overpriced
Seems like the perfect pretender for LA ULM otherwise

Can we change unit names for the domgen game?

Complete retard here. I was recommended several nations and decide to go with Helheim. What's a good pretender setup for this nation?

>>149999719
Has science gone too far?

>>150014768
Yeap, I renamed most of mine, actually I think ALL of them.

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SOMEONE AI NEIFLHEIM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150015194
I can if the admin wants me to

>>150018180
The admin is dead. Though if he continues being dead, I may hijack the game after asking llama.

We wouldn't want MemeII to happen again?

>>150014951
A major bless (W9, probably) + income scales.

>>150018341
Well, just post once you're the new admin if you need someone to set them AI

>>150019765

Second retard here, what are some major spells one should strive for regarding each magic path? Such as Air - Evocation + Conjuration, etc.

>>150020010
It depends on your nation. I know that's unhelpful, but it just depends way too much for me to give any more specific advice. Like, most nations that rely on death mages want Ench for skelly spam, but EA TC generally uses its mages to spam ancestors instead which is in Conjuration. Eriu is an air nation, but they often are run as a thug nation with alt and cons over evo as their early paths so that they can send their ponymans out raiding.

>>150020010

For an air+elves nation like Helheim, your major research goals are gonna be, presented in no particular order:
>Alt 3 - Mistform
>Alt 7 - Fog Warriors
>Evo 4 - Thunderstrike
>Ench 4 - Cloud Trapeze
>Ench 8 - Mass Flight
>Const 4 - Brands and Shields for your sacred ponyman thugs.

>>150020464
Plus a lot of spell choices aren't efficient unless you have specific paths.

Fireball spam is fairly efficient with a F2 mage, but on a F4 you'd want something more powerful because of the increased cost.

>>150020576
What about evo 5 for storm and conj3 for storm power?

You'll need that for thunderstrikes, unless you want to spend absurd amounts of gems on it.

Conj 5 for air elementals is pretty nice too.

>>150020576
Have some more, friend.
>Evo 5 Storm
>Conj 2 Summon Storm Power
>Const 1 Corpse Man Construction (needs higher for lightning rods + storm spools)
>Conj 3 Call of the winds (Best fort filler ever)

>>150020576

The Desura forums are currently down, I remember there being a good magic guide pointing out the sort of best spells along each tree, regardless of the path. Anyone got it or feeling of writing it down briefly?

>>150020880
There was... an attempt. It was worse than no information because it was so filled with bad information

>>150020880
Rejakor made one. Surprisingly, it's pretty good.
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/basic-magic-a-primer.html

>>150020924

That was very good, thank you.

>>150021004

That's the one, perhaps it should be included in the pastebin? It's really helpful to newbies.

Hey Caelum - I posted in the last thread to this effect, but I'd like to get the chance to chat about our borders.

>>150024357

NO DEAL WITH THE BURDS

>>150025137
Just because Pan CAN rush Caelum doesn't mean that they always should.

>>150021004

It's only missing the Blood path, do you have that too by any chance?

>>150026958
Yup.
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/blood-magic-a-primer.html

>>150000087
>3 threads ago

>peace and harmony Hinnom confess he is a noob and has no idea why Abysia took a Blood/fire pretender

>now
>Peace and harmony Hinnom wants to teach Rlyeh how to make good thugs

>he's an anonymous player


Geez. i wonder what's going on here.

>>150027593

Fantastic, thank you.

I'd like to learn the game against the AI, but it seems to be retarded. Anyway mods to male the AI a worthy opponent or a good learning tool?

>>150027723
He's Malakal.

>>150028529

I may have made a feeble attempt to hide my identity in order to avoid... erm.. unjust aggression.

>>150028529
If it was malakal he'd just ask him if he was here and either sweet-talk honor shittalk incessantly, depending how Russian he was feeling.

>>150028403
no.
AInorec mod decrease the number of worthless units the AI will recruit. people say it makes a big difference, but it's still bad.
Perhaps some expdert single player can suggest you what are the best performing AI nations.


The real deal is play-by-email multiplayer, don't fear, just jump into it.

>>150028403

It's never gonna be great, but there are a few recruitment-priority mods that make it marginally less retarded.

In general I would say you're fine to join multiplayer as soon as you've got expansion down to the point you're ending year one with 12+ provinces and a fort underway.

>>150028529
now...that's just mean spoiling.

>>150013459
They freespawn vampire units, iirc. Immortal, invulnerable, regenerating, life draining, flying flankers are quite nice.

>>150013459
There's actually a story behind that.

Short version: cheater mains VQ, creates an idea it's op.
Long version: Google "norfleet cheater dominions ermor vampire queen"

So how do you deal with stupid strong thugs? Like how do you neutralize a Dai Oni SC?

>>150037685
Depending on your nation - counterthug, AN magic of an element they're not immune to, spammed kill spells

>>150037685
There's quite a lot of spells that can fuck up thugs if they fail an MR roll like soul slay, petrify, blindness to a lesser extent, that kind of thing
blood mages can just life for a life or banish things to hell
Lots of air elementals can work depending on the thug
Antithugs with specific weapons like flesh eaters, eyecatchers, duskdaggers and mage bane

>>150037685
Find something it's not sufficiently resistant to and cast that at it. 100 precision is preferable, 100 range is nice too.

If it's resistant to everything, try using troops with high damage or AP weapons, or buff your troops with Weapons of Sharpness. There's also a few spells which are near-impossible to resist like gifts/banefire/horror marks

>>150037685
Well, depends on what you have at your disposal and how they are equipped. For example, Life for a Life is an extremely hard counter and cannot be defended against while spamming Soul Slay in sufficiently high numbers is a soft counter. Even some very standard tactics can counter SCs unless they've been specifically designed to survive this type of threat: for example, lightning spells and Frozen Heart negate protection so they'll go through unless the SC has heavy frost or lightning resistance, and if there isn't reflected damage at play, mere Stellar Cascades spam will cause the unit to fall unconscious and can then be slowly hacked down.

Besides scripting your armies differently, there are also counters such as counter-thugs (equipped to go through defender's defences and kill or disable them during their buff cycle, most preferably used with Teleportation or Cloud Trapeze to catch unprepared enemy SC off guard), Send Horror (many types of Horror are difficult for SCs to deal with so, if they are in a province without army support, a few casts is enough to kill almost any SC or at least Horror Mark them so badly the big boys like Hunter of Heroes will come next) or very SC-specific counters (for example, if it's undead and there's no other undead in the province, Ravenous Swarm actually does very well).

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What mods make single player the most fun it can be?
I know you all think sp sucks and is pointless but just humor me for a moment.

>>150042021
One option is playing against yourself

>>150042021
1). Play against yourself.
2). Roleplay
3.) Ainorec helps you face stronger and more thematic armies. Nothing more disappointing than fighting a Jotunheim fielding a horde of deer tribe, militia, and shambles.
4.) Mods like summod, chocolate whatever, and magic enhanced go a long way to making more magic fun to play with

>>150042021
You could play against yourself. I mean, arguably it's actually a good way to learn the game as long as you can maintain the level of dissociation necessary to not favour any specific nation, since you'll still be learning to counter things and counter the counters. That said, I suspect you would need to be literally, as in 'one bad day from being sectioned', insane to find this fun.

There is no way to make the AI good. It will always use unlimited blob warfare, and you will always shit on it with dedicated mage support. In theory you could give the AI some events which make national equivalent mages except with no research to force them to actually do things with magic, but they're never going to cast battlefield buffs or create SCs that aren't just a random mess of items.

>>150037685
>Dai oni
>stupid strong
Between penalties they take in order and demon tag they really aren't very good.
What you need is a few counter thugs with demonbanes/flamebeu and flying boots.

Demonbane can easily hit dai oni for his entire hp through prot.

>>150043849
Dai Oni are great, shutcho mouf.

They're not game winners like seraphim or grigori or the like, but they're strong SC options with great paths.

>>150044293
Honestly, the bigger problem with dai oni is that they don't have built in mobility or stealth, so you need to sort out flying boots or a shademail or something if they can't just walk at stuff.

That said, you're dead-on that their paths are great for SCing, and the fact that counters exist (demonbane being a big one) doesn't make them useless or bad.

>>150044293
>but they're strong SC options
They are bottomfeeders of recruitable scs.
Extremely vulnerable and i'd much prefer elven thugs or any of the giant scs.
Any giant SCs specifically rip them apart.

>>150044547
I like Dai Oni's paths over Niefel Jarl paths for SCing.

>>150044817
I love their paths, i don't like the rest of the package.

What up. People want Nefil set AI?

Flick me some Emails sluts

>>150045650
I have to go back to work in half an hour

>>150045650
>>150045875
He's stalled so many times now so duh.

How could you have hundreds of virgins in your dungeon and not fuck 'em?

>>150051137
Unlimited Cosmic Power

>>150052710

but you have hundreds of virgins. fucking one would not result in significant reduction in your chance of obtaining unlimited cosmic power.

>>150052802
>Squeeze every last drop of blood from your provinces.
Why don't you just wait, it's not like they care where you take the bodies when you clean the lab.

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>>150052802
UNLIMITED
COSMIC
POWER

>>150053402

it's not warm anymore and it doesn't make a sound

How could you have hundreds of pearls in your treasure box and not wish for virgins?

>>150055483
Virgins are annoying. Gotta take things slow, isn't as much fun, they don't know what to do.

This just in. The bats are struggling

>>150058245
Good on you sunny

>>150056030
t. chad

What are the most common dangers for communions? I know RoS is one of them but what else?

>>150051137
If you're a high-ranking mage in charge of keeping the virgins in the lab, you probably already have enough political power to just rape some peasant women and get away with it.

Or even better, either summon or build a waifu for yourself, why stop at some boring human woman?

>>150042021
Playing against AI is as good as stretching your legs is to competitive running.

I play singleplayer when I'm rusty, and/or I want to test a strat I pick up from humans either from a previous game or from here or something. And I mean test to the degree that I can feel what to input in a game.

Is 18 provinces by early spring in year 2 considered good expansion?

>>150065272
Sure. If it's in a real game, it's great. If it's in testing, it's okay, since your expansion will usually be cut off by other players.

>>150065362

What number should I aim for in testing to make it actual good year 1 expansion, instead of just "okay"?

>>150065813
It depends.

Some nations can expand crazy fast while others have a lot more trouble with it. The bless you chose and whether or not you have a good awake expansion pretender also have a big impact.

>>150065943

How about 24 provinces?

>>150065813
>>150066046
What are you using to test your expansion strategy?

>>150066046
That's good for most nations, but for some it's still not that much.

Strong bless nations with the right bless can do much better, like Pangaea and their bullshit Centaurs.

>>150066046

Random maps and my natgen nation.

>>150066202

So how many provinces exactly should Pan be able to expand in the first year with everything going right for them?

Where is the latest pirate download?

>>150066757
IIRC a while ago a guy did a lot of testing and with W9 Centaurs and an awake Dragon he got to like 50 provinces under ideal circumstances.

Of course that's not a number you'll ever reach outside of singleplayer or the memeiest of memegames, but it gives you an idea of the range of possibilities.

>>150067019
The 'latest pirate download' is over a year old, afaik.

>>150067047
>IIRC a while ago a guy did a lot of testing and with W9 Centaurs and an awake Dragon he got to like 50 provinces under ideal circumstances.
It was more like 45,and it was on hexawyr, which is basically OPTIMAL expansion since every province has so many connections.

>>150067105
>which is basically OPTIMAL expansion
Like I said, it was under ideal circumstances that you'll never be able to replicate in a real game.

>>150067195
I'm pretty sure that Xibalba could beat that record

>>150067309
On a map with enough forests, maybe.

Only one way to find out.

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In the right corner, weighing in at 30 Astral pearls, the mindless smasher of armies, loved by everyone: The invincible Golem!

And in the left corner, a heavyweight of 40 Death gems, the thug that Bane lords wish they were, the fearsome Wraith Lord!

Who will come out on top in this clash of the not-quite-titans!?

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>>150067701
>Pssh. Nothing personal, kid.

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>>150067812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk

So much for an epic clash.

>>150067701
The latter is more of a manfighter while the former is an army crusher, I think.

>>150067964
Golems have shitty stats apart from having high health and being mindless. And the Wrath Lord was obviously scripted to immediately jump into melee and start chopping, while the Golem was scripted with a buff cycle and basically got caught with his pants down.

>>150068164
That sounds kinky. I wish golems actually wore pants so they could be torn off by stronger, more powerful thugs..

>>150067910

What would be the winner in an ultimate 1v1 dominions 4 tournament??

>>150068883
probably some badass grigori.

>>150068432
Go play Bastard Bonds.

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>all these meme descriptions

Descriptions were a mistake

>>150069224
>Bastard Bonds
Explain further

>>150069585
Excuse me, I'll have you know that my very serious nation of very serious reporters and newscasters is very serious and not at all "meme."

>>150069585
M-mine aren't meme at all.

>>150069665
It's a decent RPG in its own right, but if you like big strong thugs in (semi-)sexual situations you'll probably enjoy it even more.

Go check it out on Steam of just pirate it.

>>150069980
How gay is it?

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>>150070046

Can you have all six grigoris?

>>150070172
You can have seven if you wish for one :^)

>>150067047

Alright! Managed to optimize my year 1 expansion to 35 provinces.

>>150071085
Nice. What nation?

>>150071151

One of the natgen ones.

>>150071260
I know =)

>>150072237

That's good then.

Alright descriptions are done, nations with descriptions:
>Norrping
>Eillenon
>Ceasidh
>Tashna
>Ashia
>Chimor

I don't think I missed anyone, unless someone posted it in the last thread without writing what nation it was for, in which case it's his problem.

>>150069869
Varying concentrations of memery, like >>150069749 was pretty high, most others were mostly non-meme.

>>150072363

Hey admin, we starting soon? I have to go in a bit and I'd like to get my nation in before.

>>150072528
Assuming everything is fine, I'm opening the Llama game in 10 minutes or so.

Also if anyone has any ideas for a map, feel free. We're 16 players so usually maps should be 11-15 provinces per player.

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Well, you wanted a big-ass undead battle...

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ScrubGenX

It's up, I left the settings default because I need to go for a little while, but be sure to shitpost about the ones you don't like. Thrones are at 60% for victory, if you feel that is too high, shitpost about that too. Same goes for the map.

>>150072661
Hexawyr maybe?

>>150073364

So, how about a link to the map at least and maybe the new natgen mod? I turned my pret in with the old one and it says unexpected nation. Hopefully this doesn't fuck up the game.

Oh right before I forget, here's the link to the consolidated mod which you will need:
http://www12.zippyshare.com/v/W33Qr9Sd/file.html

>>150073664
Yeah can't find a damn download link for the map, so we'll have to change that one.

>>150069585
Come on, given the name and completely random set of mounts, I thought I did fairly well.

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>>150069585
I mean my sacreds are armed with JUST daggers, what do you want me to do.

>>150073759
and, of course, it gives a malware report on your download. Please use less shitty hosts

>>150073759
Unit 3341 hasn't got my description nor name change.

>>150074459
I'd use vola but botnet users can't use it properly apparently, there is a vola link in the Steam thread.

If you also are a botnet user, here's a mega link: mega:///#fm/2ZphjKAY

>>150074595
Must have missed one, upload your .dm with the added description, since apparently dominions doesn't care about #descr people can just overwrite their own and there won't be an issue.

Arco, sending you payment this turn for yon province.

does anyone livestream their play session?

>>150075141
A guy from SA used to livestream his blitzes and Raiel still does from time to time, but PBEMs are really not suited for streaming.

>>150074895
Here we go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wg9dftmy2brpuu/nationgen_library_of_sea.dm?dl=0

>>150074895
>since apparently dominions doesn't care about #descr people can just overwrite their own
Good idea. I'm customizing everyone else's descriptions to describe how terrible they are and how much they deserve death.

It's 350 RP from 0 to level 3 on normal research settings, yeah?

>>150075091
hey i don't like how aggressive you are anon! how much btw?

>>150075358
>>150075387
Lets just hope the anons yesterday were right and it really doesn't care about #name and #descr (not that its a huge issue as you can just download the original again, but still).

Gonna go looking for a decent map now. Anyone knows any good 190-220 province maps? If I recall, Cradle is pretty unbalanced

Nazca can we talk? I am Soph in steamchat

>>150075448
Level 1: 50
Level 2: 100
Level 3: 200

And so on.

>>150075516
>If I recall, Cradle is pretty unbalanced
Horrifically so.

Also, there are now UW nations, right? So keep that in mind. You probably want it to be mooostly land, with enough water to let coastal be a thing and maybe give some advantage to those that have native amphib units, but not enough to deny large swaths of the map until cons 6

Who Castle of Turtles here?

Blue Volcano a shit! A SHIT!

>>150076229
>turtles
>not the token pet of retards

Enjoy your down syndrome.

>>150075450

10 Astral pearls. I'm not looking for an early war, but I'm sure you can understand why I'd not be keen on leaving the one I took this turn in your hands.

The other one I'm prepared to negotiate on. You've cold scales, so you can just walk across the river. For me, the bridge'd be a major chokepoint. What would you want for it?

>>150076318

Slow and steady, motherfucker.

>>150076327
i don't think i can really sell it since it's a lot of income/turn. i mean i gotta have lands somewhere. i can't expand anywhere else.

>>150076553

Hey, I'm in Steam chat, you coming or what?

>$35

that's kinda expensive for a memegame

>>150076553

Fair enough. I can live with current borders then.

Okay, my nation descr was also messed up, my hero descr and name was not there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wg9dftmy2brpuu/nationgen_library_of_sea.dm?dl=0

>>150074895

Hey, admin, remove the first unexpected nation. That was my pret I turned in before getting the new natgen mod and I tried it, it doesn't work. I'll post this in the Steam discussion as well, so you know I'm not some random guy trying to shit you.

>>150076881

That's what you get for being such an autist, Lambert. I'm gonna bust you up this time for giving me a hard time in Flatus.

>>150077463
Oh hello bats

As far as maps go, I might end up using a random generated one. 190-220 province maps that don't have dead links and are kinda balanced seem hard to find. We could otherwise play on a rebalanced Cradle.

>>150076910
Done, here's hoping Llama appends nations to the bottom like it should rather than pushing them to the top, because it's been a year or so since I hosted a game and I don't remember, hopefully I didn't delete someone else's pretender.

>>150077646

Wait, don't they just go down the list? Basically, I turned my pret in first, so where ever that's supposed to be, that is/was the wrong one.

>>150077714
Just send in the new one, it will overwrite the old one.

Where can I get the game cheaply?

>>150077714
Well generally the nation would be appended to the array so the first guy to send it in should be at the top and then it goes from there, but you never know.

Either way I typed in the wrong password so it didn't go through, so I didn't delete anything yet, but I'm sure it's the first one so going to go ahead and delete that one.

>>150077747
Sadly that might not work, because this mod is generated from the seeds, it's a new mod and nations have a different nation number.

>>150077747

I did send in the new one, it didn't overwrite the old one because the old one was made with a different mod. The old one also didn't work with the new mod when I tried it.

>>150077827

Yeah, please do so. Also, I wonder if the guys after me turned theirs in made with the new mod, because the old mods don't work.

Sure fucking wish natgen didn't have this issue with nation names on Llama.

>>150077890
Remove everyone, get everyone to resend.

>>150077890

Actually, I agree with this autist >>150077925. Make sure to tell them to dl the new mod, otherwise we'll have future headaches when we start the game and it doesn't work for some.

>>150077884
>Also, I wonder if the guys after me turned theirs in made with the new mod, because the old mods don't work.

I do hope so, stated everywhere I'd have to consolidate it all into a new mod with the seeds.

>>150077925
Yeah will do this now, better than getting at 16 and having some unknown nations with a fucked pretender.

Some of you guys are all right. Don't go to 68 this turn.

>>150078029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NnqObhfymc&t=4m37s

>>150078029
Oi, what's your claim to 68.

LIVE

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>>150080565

Life is life

Wait what.

Did Atlantis go AI?

Did I win?

>>150068883
Heroic HP tart prophet loaded with artifacts.

>>150084137

Dies to a flying enemy hitting him with mage bane right off the bat.

>>150085101
what if he had a bottle of living water and your attack large monster command targets the elemental randomly?

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Why aren't you playing HoMM: Mount&Blade edition right now?

>>150085576

Then its random.

My point is there is always a counter tho. If not mage bane then banish to hell. Hell has no dominion so being a prophet wouldnt help. Then he comes back into 9 enemy candles and dies to pd.

ded

How do I win as Niefelheim and as Bogarus?

>>150089494
Niefelheim has super-powered giant sacreds and Niefel Jarls make for great recruitable SCs. Those are definitely strengths you can and should utilize, but the faction has a number of other strengths as well, such as Skratti thugs (more affordable and accessible than Jarls) and turbocommunions (Skratti communion slaves just won't die so Gygjas can just blast away). And while they aren't in the league of the likes of Mictlan and Lanka, Niefelheim still has blood endgame.

Bogarus is a premier communion nation with some good national summons and a bit of blood as well. Like many nations with a lot of diversity but little power in any particular path, it's an "expert nation" of sorts, but can definitely do very well when used to its full potential.

>>150089494
Nief claims an excellent early from strong expansion, and a good midgame due to the power of Jarl thugs, and in the lategame they abuse Skratti and Gygja to form turbocommunions and hurl around high level water, death, astral, nature and blood.

Bogarus takes an awake pretender to make up for it's garbage expansion, then goes all in on communions. Every single mage they have is communion bait, bar none. You'll also want to start summoning demons and vampires as soon as you can because your national troops are completely unimpressive. You have the best research in the game, so abuse it to keep your neighbours off your back before you're ready to fight. Make good use of the national summons you have, Simargls are fantastic bloodhunt patrollers, and the harpy-types certainly have their uses as well.

>>150068883
Horrors. Best strat is horror harmonica + gift of Kurgi, 100% of stuff dies.

>>150068883
A Skratti who casts Claws of Kokytos.

Bye bye Seraph

Bye bye Grigori

Bye bye Hunter of Heroes

I hope you enjoy your vacation in the Iceworld

>>150091131
>>150091517

Alright, hit me with the ideal Nief pretender. I want to learn how to play as ice vikings.

>>150085971
Can the PC cast spells?

>>150093390
Yes.

>>150092985
Actually, vikings are Vanheim. You know, sailing and stuff.
Try playing with an imprisoned tree. Take N9 and good income scales.

>>150092985
N9E4 imprisoned tree. It's cookie cutter as fuck, but there you go.

>>150092985
Irminsul with E4N9, dom8, O3P0C3G3M1M0

>Every Niefelheim pretender ever

>>150092985
You could go scales but N9 bless helps Niefel Giants and Jarls a lot (Skrattar too with Shroud) for more powerful early-midgame so you probably want to go N9E4 or N9E6, Irminsul is the cheapest option I think. You don't really need much production because Niefel Giants are very gold-heavy and giant troops overall are bad but you need all the gold scales you can get. Since your cheapest research mage has 15RP, drain could be utilized as a dump scale.

>>150092985

Generally the Boring Tree is your best bet. Irminsul, Imprisoned, N9, focus on income scales. Optionally E4 as well.

>>150093846
I end up with -80 points if he's Imprisoned. Are his magic paths upgraded to E4N9 or do I start off like this?

What happens if you send two pretenders from the same email, but for two different nations?

>>150094967
i do not know.

but if they are from the same dominion client ( even with different email)the server will get angry and throw an error turn1 and end the game. possibly llamaserver will try to tell you when you upload it.

>>150094771
You should have zero points exactly under that setup.

Alright fixing up the settings a bit, here's what I have now:
>site frequency = 35 (this or similar was the standard a year or so back I recall)
>score graphs on
>story events off
>50 total throne points, 25 to win

Not sure on graphs and story events and completely indifferent to them, so if someone doesn't want them just say so. Also 50% throne points might be a bit much, thinking of lowering it to 40%.

As for the map, at this point I'm either gonna used a rebalanced Cradle or just random gen one, can't find decent 16 player maps without broken download links.

>>150093846
Perhaps you misinterpreted M1 as Magic 1 while it refers to Misfortune 1?

>>150095768
I thought the anon made a typo and meant F(ortune) 1. But I see it is Misfortune now. Thanks! This is 0 points now.

Also, how do I continue a multiplayer game after me and a friend exit? Like, can we save it and continue it another time or does the game only allow for having to sit X hours until it's all actually over?

>>150095743
50 points, 25 to win, what.

>>150096094
50 ascension points in total, 25 points required to win the game. 50% of total.

How do I search for all horrors in the mod inspector?

>>150096269

Try horror. Most horrors have horror in the name. For unique doom horrors use their name or titles.

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>>150096360
Doom horrors have no horror in their name making it pretty annoying to search for all of them whenever you need it.
I actually ended up making a compilation image for reference.

>>150096549

Would you believe that I've had a massively horrormarked pretender getting hit by Doom Horrors every turn and beating them every time for many turns in a row? Kurgi killed her in the end by feebleminding her before she could send him to Inferno.

>>150096549

Thats exactly what I wrote isnt it? For unique doom horrors use their name or titles.

Always wondered why Scabiel has no ethereal.

>>150096875
Using Blood is cheating.

>>150095743
>site frequency = 35
Holy shit am I glad I'm not in this game.

>>150096549
How would one get around to reliably (or even unreliably) use those as early as possible?

>>150096947
How are you supposed to know the names of unique doom horrors if you're trying to look them up in the first place?

>>150097654

AC ;^)

>>150096207
I know that, I was questioning the high number and low percentage.

>>150096875
I'd believe you because doom horrors are actually really easy to kill given the right tools.

>>150097891
Half the points mean almost half the world for a single player. I could raise it, but we don't want to end up with a massively drawn out lategame. Still, I haven't played in a long time so fuck if I remember. What's the standard number?

>>150097339
What's the normal today? Default?

>>150098401
Half the points can easily mean 4 large factions, one of which has more thrones than the rest and steals a couple from another faction.

>>150098401
>What's the standard number?
It depends on game size. In a smaller game it's often a good idea to have more than 50% of thrones required because it's very much possible someone spawns in immediate vicinity of several thrones. This is a large game so 50% is perfectly serviceable, you could even go lower than that because in a big game throne rushing isn't nearly as feasible so 50% thrones already means you're uncontestedly the strongest player.

>>150098516
>>150098752
We're 16, it's not a huge game but would hardly call it small. How about I raise it to 60%? Really don't think more than 60% would be a good idea, already feels like it will lead to a really long end drag but whatever not like I'll be in it with my shit nation.

Also seeing as nobody else complains about the site frequency I'm gonna assume it's still normal and that anon was being a memester.

>>150099113

Isn't the default for ME 40 site frequency?

>>150099113
I'm not TOO bothered, but it is abnormal.

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>>150098516
Thrones are often wacky but fast stealing shit is borderline non viable in 16 player games and requires multiple sides sleeping.

By the time 16 players are reduced to 4 what you'll be walking into while "rushing" forts probably look like this if players are half competent.

>>150099460
>if players are half competent.

>>150099809
If natgen can have a full crew of autistic steamshitters not willing to stall out, so can your game!

>>150099460
I'll just put it to 55% and be done with it, bit over half makes sense too from a logical perspective. I don't really see anyone stealing 15-25% of thrones in any quick fashion in the late game either, if one player is so incompetent the other can take so many thrones so quickly, how the fuck did he even get big to begin with?

>>150099245
35-40 is what I remember too.

>>150099113
I like the percentage being low, as it means the game might actually end from someone capping enough thrones, rather than just being the last man standing when everyone else is staling.

I'd really prefer if you turn score graphs off though, as it just straight up hands the player information that you'd normally have to use scouts or rituals to acquire.

Also the other anons are right, the site frequency you're using is abnormally low. 45 or so would be nice.

>>150100190

I agree with >>150100323 about the score graphs. Although I would prefer thrones to be at least 50%.

>>150100190
Do I need to resend my pretender if i sent it last night or no? I cant tell because all the nation names are the same.

>>150100323
>>150100526
It's at 27/50 now, slightly above 50%, should be fine. Scoregraphs off.

>>150100863
Yes, had to delete all pretenders today around 7 hours ago. This unexpected nation shit is really annoying.

>>150099113
>60%
Besides superbly executed throne rush (which, I think, should always be a possibility), that effectively means the winner was uncontestedly the strongest player at the moment of wining. I think thrones are best used such that you DON'T need to be uncontested to win (just the strongest and most likely candidate to win if the victory condition was total conquest instead), so as to avoid endgame grind no one likes.

50% is perfectly fine for 16 players and ~200 provinces, 60% is too much in my opinion.

Ah hell, I missed the chance to upload my turn when I had an opportunity and forgot to put it on my flash drive to upload at work. I may still end up getting home in time to upload it but if it at all possible could I get a 2 hour extension? I can guarantee I'll my turn at exactly 7:05 CST and do everything I can to get a double done right then.

It's not like Vanarus is going to be done anytime soon anyway.

>>149999357
>It is available on Gamersgate (-75%)
not that I can see.

A fucking miracle, nationnames are now visible on Llama.

>>150099934
Thank god I was the only steam shitter besides Lambert in this game, and Lambert was on R'lyeh. Or maybe there were others, but they all got removed. This game would have easily hit around 300+ turns if everyone was as tenacious as in the natgen.

Outwit, Outplay, OUTLAST.

>>150103913
+ join with a metabuddy, eh Nick?

>>150105895
Join with a metabuddy?

I honestly don't know what that means. Especially considering the only person I dragged into that game initially was MZ2 on Panani, and well . . .

we saw what happened there, now didn't we.

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New games WHERE

I NEED to meme

>>150085971

What Mountain Blade mod is that, my man?

>>150058245
Hang on I'm almost there.

>>150112315
How goes the war for the underworld anyway?

I haven't played since Therodos was released. What's changed if anything?

>>150112732
Therodos got nerfed.

>>150112732

Theredos was rebalanced according to high illwinter standards

>>150112732

Therodos was buffed!

>>150115243
Yes, Therados, alongside Machaka, were both nerfed. Ragha, which really needed it, was buffed.

>>150116854
The poster above you was riffing on the meme that Illwinter has made... questionable balance choices like nerfing EA Machaka

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>some guy wants out and asks someone to sub for him
>pretend to be someone new and give him a second e-mail of mine
>now have two nations to help me win the game

Nobody tell him.

>>150118771
Shoo Malakal.

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Been waiting on 2 games with 1 player left to submit ALL FUCKING DAY REEEEEE

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>>150118771
>ask for extensions for games I'm not in
>ask for subs for nations I'm not playing
>make deals with people in games I'm not even in
>ask for admins to delete pretenders that aren't mine

>>150121025
>>150118771
careful or you'll get horror marked

>>150121025
DEVILISH

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>SOON

>>150122352
What?

>>150123284
MAP.

>>150122352
Something about this feels familiar.

>>150108204
>inb4 Armageddon spam

>>150124364
>Page 10
In AFTER armageddon spam

Dom5 needs 3D maps and/or different planes (I guess they'd be layers if it's a 2D map).

Reminder the game is open and you should send in your pretender, still missing 5 people:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ScrubGenX

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I thought I'd make an MA game here in a little bit; what's a good amount for required ascension points/thrones for ~16 people?

>>150128179
15 level 2 thrones, 9 thrones required for victory

>>150127704
Ideal Dom5

>Unreal Engine 4
>Some more factions and more summons

That's about it.

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Alright gents, it's time:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=WeWuzPantokratorz

Rev up them Nazcars, skellingtons, and statues. Put on your best >ulm face. And if you're someone who thinks MA Ermor is extremely OP, then come claim your free win and prove it :^)

I'm open to suggestions for the map but planned on aiming for 12-16 folks, so if you prefer another map then let a nigga know.

>>150132513
>WH 1.21
>No summod
badmin?

>>150132513
Ascension points required for victory: 20
Number of level 1 thrones: 5
Number of level 2 thrones: 11
Number of level 3 thrones: 2

20/33 points on a big map
The Ride That Never Ends

badmin confirmed

>>150133617

>WH 1.21

I thought this was the usual one, no?

>summod
"no"

>>150136239
I'll wait for Lukas to make a summod MA game then.

>>150136683
me too thanx

but also, the badmin was the dude who was in love with 1.21, so I'm getting that vibe

>>150131907
That's completely irrelevant to that actual improvements the game needs in terms scripting detail.

>>150131907
>unreal engine
Fuck off

>>150136683
Not Lukas, but throwing up an actual MA game for you lot.
Worthy heroes 5.5, and the most up to date summod I could find. 15/26 thrones required to win atm, with a placeholder map atm.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AllMAGamesAreMemeGames

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>>150139486

>i will never be able to play another pbem without mememod

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>>150139753

>>150139486
>>150139753
It's fine to have both, honestly. Whichever game fills can run, and if they both fill they can both run. All gucci

>>150132513
Delete me plz

>>150141992
We will.

>>150141992

What's wrong, couldn't handle the thought of being mercilessly bullied by lizards?

Honestly, there was a decent sized MA game that just started, so both may have trouble filling.

>>150145919
I assume he meant to sign up for the other one.

Is Nether Darts a secret sleeper spell? It seems pretty good, only with a rare cross path.

>>150146669
It's strong, but remember MR negates

>>150146669
It's very good, but I wouldn't call it sleeper. It's pretty well known, and a core mid-late spell for nations with cheap S/D mages.

>>150146939
It tends to inflict feeblemind all over the place, which really helps with breaking MR. Combos well with other MRN spells too.

Plus it shoots enough that a decent number are going to break MR.

>>150132513

signed up as asspoodle, though i'm pretty sure my pretender is retarded but it's ok, lez do this

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>>150148615

>though i'm pretty sure my pretender is retarded

I know that feel.

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>>150148615

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Well that went way better than I had hoped.

>>150150534
Rain of fuck everything that isn't ethereal, has 20+ protection or is a gaint?

>>150150706
Yeah, but only 1. However, it killed his storm caster, letting the super buffed flying troops do most of the work.

>>150150534
>army of high end summons vs army of chaff
>probably a massive research gap too
>surprised you curbstomped him

>>150152004
I went in blind expecting t1 RoS, which he actually did use to defeat a much smaller army of mine this turn too. The only thing I cast that he can't is army of lead. And though his troops were chaff tier, he had so many mages I think it's reasonable to have expected more damage.
Now, for fun, what would /domg/ have done with all those mages to beat that army?

>>150153559
Did he not cast army of lead after turn one? That's just a pair of boots and a bloodstone away on an E2 bride in waiting.

>>150153559
>he had so many mages I think it's reasonable to have expected more damage
Maybe a little more damage than you got, but more than half his mages are basically worthless. Berytian Sages get A1E1 or W1E1. The best they can do is use single-target spells like Orb Lightning and Frozen Heart.

Berytian Priests are basically a B1 mage, so they're not very useful either.

>Now, for fun, what would /domg/ have done with all those mages to beat that army?
I can't really think of anything.

Most of his mages are useless and he was far outmatched in troops.

Fog Warriors and Storm then have everything which can spam evocations, I guess. Maybe sabbath up those priests to the brides and cast some living fire or air to help with the blockers.

I don't think it'd have been enough to win, especially if you put up battlefield buffs yourself.

I feel like 16 stormcallers throwing down t-strikes should kill more than what you lost, honestly. Then again, I know that mass flight was their undoing, so really it was just a matter of keeping the mages safe.

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>>150155348
>Where was the t1 Fog Warriors+RoS combo?!
>Where were the size 6 air eles?!
>Even lesser fire elementals would have helped versus the mistform!

Can we get a kickstarter going to raise the money for an SA account? I heard someone over there was working on a blitzserver clone.

>>150157559
u wot.

It's like tenbux dude. Just buy one if you care.

>>150160669

Is having lot of blesses a negative in a long game?

>>150164309
Define long game?

In giant ass meme games, if you plan on getting to the deep end of the game, blesses on a good bless nation are where you want to be. Order/Growth mean little if the world is nuked (but are very useful until then, and still amp mines and stuff) Luck is always nice, but not needed. Magic becomes literally useless as everyone hits all 9s, which eventually everyone will. Temp is temp, and Prod is only a concern on nations with good resource capped cap onlies, such as Fomoria.

Of course, you have to survive the 100+ turns required to hit that deep late game as a major player with meh scales, but more bless = better, usually. Just remember to take E9/E10 to tell Rigor Mortis to sit down and shut up.

>>150164309
It depends, but honestly I'd say no

>>150165083
this guy's spot on

>>150164309
It depends. Having a second capital's worth of gems early one is nice.

>>150132513
Joined

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>>150132513
>Worthy Heroes 1.21

Dumb question but if I send a thug out with a small squad should I be worried about the squad wiping and causing the thug to route? Even if the thug barely takes any damage?

>>150168138

It depends

>>150168138

Can happen, yeah. Autorout occurs at 75% HP loss, across everything you have on the battlefield.

>>150168138
Yeah, sometimes. You'll get the feel for it with trial and error. I have lost some expensive mages before from casting call of the winds on the same turn.

>>150168672
Or you can just do the math. Auto-route is at 75% hp.

>>150168903
I mean get the feel of knowing what will kill his 75% before he kills 75%.

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>tfw page 10 again

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> A sheet of partially conjoined altocumulus perlucidus is sometimes found preceding a weakening warm front, where the altostratus is starting to fragment, resulting in patches of altocumulus perlucidus between the areas of altostratus

Valbad, Cirez'sis, Eillenon, Ninai, this is a pretender bully, turn in your pretenders.

Also we might go with this rebalanced (hopefully these Italians know what they are doing) Cradle, would rather skip playing on a ugly as sin random genned map.

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uh oh

>>150172418
The problem is that cradle is set up for UW nations. We don't have any.

>>150173472
Doesn't Cradle have ports and stuff to connect over the sea? Should be fine if you guys only got land nations, also if it's natgen you generally get a few nations with amphibians anyway.

>>150173596
I mean the ratio of UW : Land is way too high. Having some is fine to give amphib an advantage. Having a large section of the map straight up closed off to most nations isn't okay.

>>150173665
wait, nvm. I'm thinking of another map.

Cradle is the one that has strongly clumped terrain types.

>>150173727
Yeah but if they are using the rebalanced version it should be fine. It changed it up a bit so people don't get stuck starting in the middle of a wasteland and such.

Not as balanced as some but it's a fun map.

>>150173793
I haven't looked at the rebalanced map, but unless they just changed the terrain types completely, there's a whole segment near the bottom right that's literally just wastes and mountains. Like, if that whole area is set no start that raises issues of its own just based on the sheer size of the area that's locked off.

>>150173472
There are amphibious nations.

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Bullying time.

>>150178602
Literally mongoloid

>>150139486
Get in here faggots, need more players.

>>150179852
Alright fag, hope you like having an absolute shitter who will start spamming armageddon when he loses. I promise I won't stall tho.

>>150180450
>who will start spamming armageddon when he loses
If you survive to the point where you can spam armageddon on a non-meme map, you're doing swell.

>>150180450
I'm quite sure everyone does that if they are losing and have the ability to do so anon.

>>150180769
Then everyone is a shitter

Lose with some dignity guys.

>>150122352
Are you making a cube map?

>>150181419
Yes, for blitzes mainly

Esteban, you about?

>>150182258

Whatcha need?

>>150182525
Just border talk. Want to talk on steam? I'm not sure how much information you want public.

Valbad, Cirez'sis and Eillenon hurry up and join ScrubgenX.

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>>150185952
Done. Thank you for your patience, I wasn't home the last two days and just got back.

>tfw you review the mod and notice all the spelling errors in your descriptions
I have dishonored my ancestors and will commit sudoku right away.

If I start a kickstarter to buy dom4 would anybody contribute??

>>150157559
>>150186603
t. avvite

>>150186603
The rules of Kickstarter prohibit that kind of thing, since you're not creating a product.

It's perfectly ok if you phrase it differently though. Like instead of "I want to buy Dom4" you should say "I want to create a photo documentary of myself buying Dom4". That way you are able to deliver a product, namely a screenshot of you buying Dom4.

Stranger things have happened, like that guy that started a kickstarter to make an egg sandwich or salad whatever it was and literally got funded for thousands of dollars.