/domg/ - Dominions General

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1st for caelum btfo

>>150308112
>>150308112


woooooow nobody told me the game was gonna start with that map , that's it I quit

>>150308692
Don't let the fucking door hit you on your way out, faggot.

Im drinking out of home now. Will submit turn in next 3 turns no bully pls

>>150308416

God damn mammoths... That's a lesson learned I suppose.

The Virgin Disc map is actually pretty good. Ys is going to be gimped as the game goes on since most of the map is inland, but on the flip side it should have no trouble moving from one lake to the other if it actually does want to put up forts UW (it doesn't) and it should be able to build up a reasonable number of forts on the same coast.

>>150308416
How did you fuck up that badly?

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Attention WeWuzPantokratorz Admin!
>Attention WeWuzPantokratorz Admin!
Attention WeWuzPantokratorz Admin!

Daily reminder to delete my pretender, I've already asked 4 times and if it starts with me not deleted I'm going AI

>>150310589
It's always fucking Ulm players.

You degenerates should go play DotA or something.

>>150310589
>if it starts with me not deleted I'm going AI
Why even bother doing the badmin that service? Just ignore your e-mails about that game and make him clean up his own mess.

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>>150227992
>>150225693
ok guys, here's your rainbow.

>Soul Contract Spam
>Astral Corruption
>Troll Kings
>Faery Queens
>Darkness
The memes are all here.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/360670708779877206/?ctp=3

FUCKING GET IN HERE AND DEMAND MAP CHANGE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150310816
>sitesearching with your pretender
Meh. I'll allow it this once. You're expansion is going to be hurt with neutral prod, though.

>>150311509
The scales are really more of a suggestion.
If you wanna take more prod at the price of magic or order or whatever, go for it.
I've never actually played ma abysia, or any absya for that matter.

>>150311680
Abysia has elite heavy infantry and humanbred heavy infantry, but both do want resources to expand

>>150311232
Don't you "reee" at me young man

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Guess my nation

I'm in AllMAGamesAreMemeGames

>>150312140

>he fell for the T3F3 meme

>>150312140
Cealum.

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Victims of banevenom, all 143 of them.

P.S. Get your thugs out of my seas already, all of you.
Seas are no thug zone. REE.

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>>150310816
Is it bad that I'm running an awakened pretender with pretty much the same paths and scales?

>>150312860
Sort of. There's very little justification of taking an awakened one just for a little bit of an extra sitesearching.

>>150310816
>neutral prod abysia
>needing magic 2
>needing blood 4
>fire 1

STAHP.

>>150313095
It means your god starts forging and casting 12 turns sooner. That's useful.

>>150313226
The blood/fire is for soul contracts.

>>150313312
if he makes soul contract how does he sitesearch? it's 2 fucking turns for sitesearch. you can empower in blood too.
if you go for construction you can also make N booster ( trade gem).

Post MA Ulm best pretender + expansion focus pls

>>150313853
Rainbow works. Scales work too, if you want to rush thrones mid-game.

Expansion focus? Just smack shit with your superior troops, fort high resource provinces, and build a mage in every fort.

>>150313853
Awake E4/B3 maneater

Awake expander that still gets you bloodstones. You can eventually do the brute force blood expansion thing to get wider blood access, but it's still slow and painful.

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Alright gents, we only need a few more folks to start:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=WeWuzPantokratorz

Note that Agartha, Ermor, and Ulm are still up for grabs for your free win purposes.

Map right now is Galadia but I'm open to suggestions.

>>150314748
>no Summod

Dropped.

>>150313312
>It means your god starts forging and casting 12 turns sooner.
It's not going to start forging any sooner than you'll actually get construction 6. At that point all the most important provinces should be already covered with sitesearching and the rest can wait or rely on indies/summons.

>>150314845

I'm specifically not using mememod because I don't want to play with mememod.

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>>150313853
>>150314175
why would i get an awake? Ulm expansion is really strong but i need different magical paths.

for expansion i like to focus on superlong lancers and building smiths at the same time since they give you additional resources. conquer capcircle first.


this pretender can't craft bloodstone. a big shame perhaps, but you can kickstart yourself to blood one way or the other.
this can sitesearch, can cloud trapeze and fight pretty well, summon tartarians lategame ( no N for global however). will need nature reinvig items.
try to find a province to recruit a N1 mage.

i expect you to do lot of gem and item trading to get what you are missing.

Alright game restarted on Riverlands, same settings.

Eagerly awaiting the "REEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU BADMIN WHY DID YOU RESTART"

>>150314748
I'll join, give me a second.

>>150314748
I see you're not using summod.

Very well, I'll make you and everyone in the game appreciate it more.

>>150315040
>why would i get an awake? Ulm expansion is really strong but i need different magical paths.
because you (or whoever was asking) SPECIFICALLY asked for a expansion focus. An awake pretender gets you more/better expansion.

>>150314748
>Mods: Worthy Heroes 1.21
What's up with the vintage stuff? Wake up grandpa, it's not 80-ies anymore.

>>150315341
Remember the badmin who said he always admins his own games and prefers 1.21?

>>150315257
That's not me, I had no idea why he answered for me but I am curious.

What is the best way to play Ulm? I want something that is guaranteed to not lose within 10 turns.

>>150314748
Whoever beat me to sending in Ermor, fuck you you mangy cunt. I hope you at least use it as it should and ruin the game for everyone.

>>150315397
Oh.

That might actually be him. He said he hates summod because it SIMPLIFIES the game, so I think he might be retarded enough to do it.

>>150315485
You betcha famalam. Stay tuned.

>>150315432

Good MA Agartha Pretender? Looks like you want
N9E4 for sacred statues
Dom7
O3S2Heat3G3L0M1
Imprisoned Great Mother

Any suggestions? Game plan is to get statues and then start pooping on things with the absurd hp they have.

>>150315056
I don't think you'll see much opposition. I had flawless expansion, a weak neighbor, and guaranteed access to the Throne of Winter while running Heat 3, so my start was basically perfect.

Also I'm taking hipster points for being the guy to point out that the map was bad before we started.

>>150315663

*dormant

or
Imprisoned Monolith
N9E4S4
Dom7
O3H3G3M1
Imprisoned

>>150315879
The map restart is great for me in the end really, I was gonna get blessrushed from two directions. My only hope was to send my sneak heretics to domkill one of them but that would likely not have worked.

>>150315663
>MA Agartha

What

>>150316026
?

>>150316026
>Guy asks for Ulm
>Give him Agartha

Are you illiterate?

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BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE LAST UPDATE.
http://imgur.com/a/KhVYw

>>150315432
>What is the best way to play Ulm? I want something that is guaranteed to not lose within 10 turns

the only way to lose within 10 turns is to take less than production 3 or get blessrushed by tribless ermor.
MA Ulm is godlike at first and then either midway through his first war or just after it it realizes that has nothing but Earth 4 fire 1 magic.
From a certain point of view you lose turn 1 if you don't think about what you'll need after turn 25.

>>150314915
I highly appreciate that you are not submitting yourself to that stupid fad of liking mememod.
I have joined your game. Let's fight Ermor together.

>>150315341

I picked 1.21 because I hadn't played in a PBEM in a while and it was the one I remember.

What's the difference between it and the newest WH?

>>150316936
the newest WH is liked by anyone who isn't Buttdevasted about one single SC that killed his militia stack.

the old WH would be fine too, but a certain badmin like it a lot so we feel like not trusting any game that runs it because we fear the badmin.

>>150315663
>>150315949
Personally, I like N9B9 because I'm a terrible person. N9 mono is honestly fine, since your statues have 0 fatigue anyways. N9E9 is the more common double bless build, since the prot bonus stacks fully on your already high prot statues. I wouldn't bother with E4, though; either full double or mono with more scales.

It's also possible to play Agartha with no bless whatsoever. While the statues make for a strong frontline, you're still going to be using your mages and other summons (living mercury, green lions, spooks, etc) to do your actual killing. Having more scales for more mages and so on will help you get more firepower onto the field and let you deploy your summons sooner.

MA Agartha is an awesome summon nation in general, even without a reliance on the sacred statues to make an impenetrable wall. Buffed living mercuries, magma children, green lions, and penumbrals are all really cool, and you can spam magma eruption like a less efficient MA Ulm, except with tons of magical creatures instead of just heavy infantry and crossbows. They also have neat tricks like penumbral raiding parties led by a marble warriors caster wearing a shademail.

Having a bless is fine, and the statues and even their cap sacreds are good enough to warrant one, but it's definitely not the only way to play.

>>150317120
>the newest WH is liked by anyone who isn't Buttdevasted about one single SC that killed his militia stack.
The newest WH doesn't add any new SCs. Recent iterations mostly added magey heroes, and the latest two version were attempts to make non-caster heroes cool with stuff like battle-summons and dom-summons on famous generals.

Also when Ohlmann finally gets around to 5.6, it'll have a comprehensive grammar rewrite.

>>150317120
>>150317340

I'm not the badmin you guys fear and am open to fuck around with any of the settings if people want. The only thing I won't do for this particular game is run summod.

>>150316936
People usually playing WH 5.5 or WH 1.23, depending on what is thei opinion about Ohlman.

>>150317651
That's fine, honestly. I'm one of the people that was ribbing you earlier about not using it, but while I'm a fan of the mod, I like vanilla Dominions too and don't blame anyone for enjoying the game without balance attempts.

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To all dirty dogs who insult summod.

I'm going to join your games as Ermor and ruin them.

I urge all righteous summod believers to kill everyone who doesn't use the mod.

Great is summod and WH 5.5 (NN) is its prophet

>>150319118

>I'm going to join your games as Ermor and ruin them.

Jokes on you, I only play EA.

>>150319118
Let's be real, BoT rush isn't nearly as annoying as an Ermor that's actually built and playing to win.

>>150319118
Behead those who insult summod!

>>150319118
SUMMOD AKBAR

>>150319250
>He thinks EA Ermor can't rush BoT with an assassin pretender and fill its forts

>>150319118
SUMMOD AKBAR BROTHER, I SHALL JOIN NON SUMMOD GAMES AND STALE ON PURPOSE

>>150319257
What if Ermor is playing to win AND rushes BoT?

>>150319389
Please don't actually do this.

>>150319481
It's just not an optimal strategy.

>>150319118
Wait, do you actually know whom made NN then?

>>150319871
It's WH 5.5 made by Ohlmann with the nerfs to Thed heroes removed by Lambert.

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It's good to see some classic memes already.

>>150320287
Honestly, pretenders with default pretender names should be set AI at turn 1.

>>150320287
I thought the Ulm guy who wanted to be deleted was from WeWuzPantokratorz ?

How do they keep spreading?

>>150320359
post names
and titles

>>150320490
He made Ulm staling meme into his phylactery, and he will live as long as it happens. So basically
>join a game
>stale
>live forever

>>150320287
Why is this game's next turn starts in 2 days despite being on 24h hosting interval? Is admin Ulm?

>>150320835

First turn on llama is always 48 hours. It'll go by the usual 24 from then on.

>>150321431
So game is gonna start in 2 days? Joy.

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Live!

>>150322690

Well, it's entirely possible he's just timezoned at the moment. It's only been four/five hours since it started.

Hell, I wandered off to take a nap when it was at 15 pretenders pre-start, and was the third last to submit when I woke up.

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>>150325492
>Hell, I wandered off to take a nap when it was at 15 pretenders pre-start, and was the third last to submit when I woke up.
N-no, you didn't, that's what I did.

>Late summer in the two thousand and sixteenth year of the ascension wars
>Still using browser based inboxes
>Still e-mailing turns manually

>>150326810
Joke's on you, I actually use a PBEM manager.

>>150317651
I understand if people don't want to run sure.mod. I was the same way with CBM.


You should use the newer worthy heroes though. The older versions ignore newer nations entirely, and are actually broken (as in nonfunctional) in places due to poor coding or conflicts with newer patches.

>>150327574
stop being so laid back and call for a Jihad.
Mod war now, behead those who insult Summod.

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>>150326572

Huh. Right enough, now I actually check. Second last. Guess we woke up about the same time.

>>150327574
I'm so sorry but I'm also fighting Yomi, forgive me sensei

>>150326979
post it then faggot

>>150328928
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pbem-manager-new-stuff.104015/

should we ask llamabeast to give someone adminning of der gutterdammer? who should do it?

i will be eliminated soon so i'd prefer not

>>150329867
Why? What happened?

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>>150314748
>Ulm taken
>Join
>Ulm no longer taken

>>150330475
The duder who was Ulm had been posting for literally days to get his pretender removed. You can't say that this was a surprise, mate.

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Was it a sufficiently memey tournament?

>>150334986
5 battles againt that one poor TC dude, fricken devils must have been confused as all hell.

>>150334986
Wait... sauro fought TC and Yomi twice in the tournament? How is this possible?

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Only about 20 minutes left until Der_Gotterdammerung's 12th turn ends!

Will Agartha get their turn in on time?
Has Lanka finally given up?
Did the admin abandon us?
All that and more in less than 20!

Next turn due: 03:59 GMT on Tuesday August 9th

What happened? Is someone going on vacation or something?

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>>150336117
A little like this.

>>150336437
Right, but then they shouldn't also show up to later arena battles.

>>150336613
Being in hell is merely inconveneint, they have been given ORDERS to go to the arena, and they will get there no matter what.

>>150336743
I can confirm, however, that once the champion is through fighting he returns to Hell for a victory lap.

This is a strange and wonderful mechanical interaction.

Now question - if a commander is sent to both Hell and Kokytos, where does he go after the arena battles are done?

Admin I'll be away for 2-3 days, please delay the next turn by 72 hours.

>>150337886
If you're not just a random Anon faggot, post in the steam thread.

>>150336437
How did they finally take you down?

>>150340091
I think she just ran out of slaves.

She had literally no way to win anyway, since sending someone to hell doesn't count as winning.

>>150340091
Those blood slaves don't last forever, not with Dai Oni's wolves chomping on them.

>>150340091
A Davana with a Flambeau and holy scourge, plus flying boots to interrupt buff cycle.

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holy shit I got the error again. Save me Sum1

Who's cap is in 201? Jump in steam chat.

>>150341181
Sounds like a you problem desu

>>150341181
This is MaMeme Mari btw so sum1 if youre out there give me an email I can send the turn file or something

>>150341832
Its something with version .65 because Im in DG that uses .61 and thats fine.

>>150341289

Someone's cap is in 201?

Goddamn, this map has shitty starts.

>>150342656
I'm 99% sure, given the candle I found, either that or a candle has ventured 2 prozinces from someone's cap, which isn't impossible but give it's turn 2 it's more likely, and in any case they'l be near enough to recognise that it's them I refer to.

>>150342930

I'm hoping for the two-provinces, then. Because if there is a cap there, I'd be sharing cap circle with them.

It's not one of my own candles.

>>150342210
Well, honestly I don't know what the source of your problem is. I'm not a mod person at all. What I know is that other people using the same mod run it fine, including the person who received the same .trn as you when they subbed for your arco game. I don't know what the source of your problem is, and it might be that you've done everything right and there's some weird file system thing that's messing up the game's ability to read the right sprite. I just don't think that sum1 or other modders will be able to help you given that it's not a mod problem, barring the potential of them being generally technically competent.

>>150343101
Could you get in chat, the candle I found might be yours then, as it isn't directly there but it's only adjacent to that and other provinces I know are indie.

>>150343386

Not in front of my PC at the moment, I'm afraid. Will get back to you earlier in the day tomorrow.

>>150343591
Sure, thanks friend.

Hinnom Casts Dispel

>>150346074
Why Hinnom?

>>150346358
There was a weird all-ages game where three different nations put up BoT and Hinnom got rid of all of them.

>>150346454
Were they paid to do it? Aside from the negative impact BoT has on bloodhunting, Hinnom's mages wouldn't be that badly affected by it.

>>150347004
I think they just did it for the income hit. It was a weird game. I don't remember all the casters, but one was LA Agartha (which has old human mages).

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Look at that sea. That's a big sea. For you.

I kinda like how stupidly boring this map is. Just some lakes to make choke points, and a big ocean full of murder.

>>150349440
I tried generating a random map with ~8% water once and somehow got a map that was over half water. I suspect that DRNG is at work.

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What are some good nations to go heavily into blood?

It's been awhile since I've played, forgot. Plus there are some new nations.

>>150349440
>That's a big sea.
That sea is probably about a tenth of the total provinces, it just has really large provinces.

>>150350458
EA/LA Xibalba, EA/LA Mictlan, EA Lanka, LA Abysia, LA Marignon are the premier blood nations on count of having recruit-everywhere sub-100g blood hunters (or, in Xibalba's case, just above 100g with blood hunting bonus) and national summons (all but Abysia), LA Ulm also earns a spot with their vampire shenanigans.

>>150351024
Which ones are most fun?

I want to summon giant demons

Amore 2h file received
Celaene 2h file received
Alingheim 2h file received
Norrping 2h file received
Djeris Waiting for 2h file
Ashia 2h file received
Ninai 2h file received
Tashna 2h file received
Cynothalu 2h file received
Ceasidh 2h file received
Eillenon 2h file received
Khaer 2h file received
Gondria 2h file received
Valbad 2h file received
Cirez'sis 2h file received
Chimori 2h file received

>>150352675
It's not me, for once.

>>150349440
Oh, summod LA R'lyeh vs the world?

ALL THE VOID GATES

>>150352950
>"R'lyeh is OP"
I skipped the ErmorOP game, but I'd play that one.

>>150352950
Ry'leh ultrabuff mod when?

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Domg cordially invites all interested and interesting couples to attend the fanciest get-down this side of town. Amenities include Summod, OneAge, Chocolate Thrones, Better Arena, and, of course, Worthy Heroes.

This will be a couples dance, so find the special sum1 you get along with the best, because this game will put you to the test, as the inclusion of OneAge enables powerful combos.

To facilitate the synergy of the teams, nations will be claimed on a first come, first serve basis, so don't be afraid of feeling too hot-blooded.

All it takes to sign up is both players post in the thread http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3036, confirming the team and nations picks. So get on the dance floor and show us your moves!

The game page is located here, and players will be allowed to submit pretenders once their team is confirmed. http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=DomgChocolateBall

>>150352275
Unique demon summons (Ice Devils, Arch Devils, Heliophagi, Demon Lords) are good for everyone if you manage to snatch them before other blood nations do. Mictlan probably is most well-positioned to do that, having all the required crosspaths (FB, WB) natively, but ultimately it's not difficult to empower a fire or water mage in blood so that's not a decisive advantage.

Besides that, one of the things that makes those nations I listed are good in blood is their unique summons. You'll most probably use a number of summons to fulfil different tactical niches but generally speaking Mictlan and Xibalba will be summoning Ozelotls (flying demon jaguars, Mictlan also has a really big national summon in Tlahuelpuchi, blood-sucking assassin-witches), Lanka is big on Dakini (demonic Hindu sky-dancers with A3D1B3), Marignon on Fallen Angels and Ulm on Vampire Lords. Non-national summons depend on what crosspaths you can get and what's useful at the time.

In general, I personally like Mictlan because Aztec-inspired nation feels very thematic and they have extreme blood crosspath diversity on their national mages. Jaguar Warriors (in EA, in LA they get kinda outmatched by plate) also ensure good early game with the same kind of bless that makes Ozelotls fearsome.

>>150355607
Fuck you, I went with EA Xibalba

>>150357039
Well, Xibalba isn't bad. In fact, they're one of the most OP nations.

>>150355292
how to get desura mods

>>150357990
nvm

>>150352675
I'd complain but fire men riding giant skeletons are scary.

Who are you gonna ask to the dance? Who will get Cirno to get jiggy with it?

>>150367368
Does OneAge work on llamaserver?

>>150367527
Make Llama Great Again

no die ;_;

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What's the proper etiquette for declaring war on a neutral neighbor?

>>150373415
After you attack him, inform him that you are at war.

>>150373415

Attack as many provinces as you can with the most that you can as hard as you can. Overwhelming first strikes means there aren't second ones.

>>150373415
Transfer 2 plain swords to him

>>150373415
If you are taking less than 10 provinces it's just a misclick.

To the friendly neighbor with dominion on 234 and 222 -

I, Mitch Royce, am personally going to clean up a mess on 229, after which I am taking a well deserved vacation on the fertile fields of 219. I assume that you'll be able to enjoy the fruits of 1 and 237, so there should be no need to fight over this farm too.

>>150373953
WW2 Japs
>>150374081
WW2 Germans
>>150374116
WW2 Italians
>>150374208
WW2 French

>>150374208
That reminds me of the guy who got drunk and ctrl-clicked with all his scouts. Generated something like 20 attacks on his neighbors' turns and lost all of his eyes in the process

>>150355292
>no magicenhanced

YOU FUCKED UP!

>two black candles just two tiles away from my cap

Uh oh

Jotunheim i can't let you have 2 provinces that are at distance 2 from my capital. I can let you have the one you already have but i can't let you have the cave. it would split right in the middle of my shitty small reign.

I have an awake pretender and i wasn't able to expand more than 2 provinces with it because i am pressed by my neighbours and bullshit thrones.

>>150381565
Asking for an early rush: The post.

>>150373415
Try to either make him attack someone else first with the promise you'll help, or something like "yeah uh dude I really need to get this army to province X, do you mind if I pass through? I'll leave them empty after me so you can take them with a lone commander", which you then don't do and use it as a way to get into a good position.

Every time 4chan is down I let out a breathe of relief because I won't have to stalk the thread and keep it from dying when it reaches page 10.

>>150384414
You are diligent.

>>150314748
Joined as Ryleh, unless you don't want any underwater nations or something

Sorry for that stale, I couldn't get to my computer at the right time due to an emergency. Won't happen again.

How are you supposed to use Sauromancers with EA Ctis?

What spells are good? You can't use darkness (at least not effectively), you can't use rigor mortis.

You need two boosters, so concstruction 6, on a water random sauromancer to cast foul vapors.

Is sleep cloud good? Is panic good?

>>150385573
You will recruit sauromancers in almost every fort, so you'll eventually get at least one +N +W. Your sobek hero also can cast FV.

Sleep cloud is good, as it allows you to amplify skelespam.

>>150385573

Darkness, rigor mortis, just enough troops to hold the line at the start of the battle then skele spam. Sure darkness and rigor fucks you up too but you have a shitton of skeletons on top.

You can also shadow blast I guess.

>>150385573
>Is sleep cloud good?
Actually yes, especially when combined with skelly spam to hold them in place
>>150385573
>Is panic good?
Only in combination with other morale reduction on troops that aren't immune to morale issues outright. Like sleep clouds, your skeletons are immune to it. Terror is better, though, and all your sauromancers can cast that one too so there's no point in using panic.
>You can't use darkness (at least not effectively), you can't use rigor mortis.
Darkness is great when you're spamming enough skeletons to make them do the fighting rather than your soldiers. Rigor mortis does pose problems, though, since your mages are living.
>You need two boosters, so concstruction 6, on a water random sauromancer to cast foul vapors
Or a communion.

The other big spell is shadowblast, which gives you large AoE direct damage. The fact that it's MRN does hurt, but against most enemies, enough targets will fail to make it more than worth its gem cost.

EA C'tis is quite weak, though. I think Sauromatia does whatever you want to do with C'tis significantly better, while having additional distinct advantages, but that's another story.

>>150385753
>rigor mortis
This is kinda dependent on what you're fighting and fielding, because you're heavily reliant on mages that are fatiguing themselves. I'm not at all convinced that this is a default spell for you, even with relief up.

>>150385751
>>150385753
>>150385879
Ok, thanks.

>>150385573

D4 randoms spam the shit out of Horde of Skeletons, S1 randoms communion up using Lizard Shamen to deploy battlefield effects. Rigor Mortis and Darkness are very useful to drop. N and W randoms are a bit less useful unless you can break into earth for Matrices, but can serve as Skelespammers, even if less effectively than the D4s.

The ability to Matrix up random Sauromancers into communions fueled by Lizards is very worthwhile, so going an Imprisoned monument with E6S6 or so and focusing mainly on scales gets you a good minor bless for the communion slaves without being a huge investment in points.

>>150385879
>Or a communion.
It'd be very rare to get a 3D1N1S1W Sauromancer.

Does a mage need to have at least 1S for Crystal Matrix to work?

>>150386073

Nope. Works on everything.

>>150386004
You say D4 are good skele spammers. Do they get less fatigue from spamming D2 spells if they have a higher D level?

>>150386073
No. Which makes them a great way to bring non-S or B mages into a communion.

A neat trick when you're fighting against a nation using lots of undead is to give Crystal Matrices to your priests. Banishment scales amazingly well, so having a bunch of communion'd up priests spamming it wrecks skelly hordes.

>>150379450
YES, PERSON, TALK TO ME

>>150386374
Yes. They do that and also get more skeletons.

>>150386374
How about you read the fucking manual about the basics of spellcasting before asking specific nation-related questions?

>>150386523
If you don't like my questions then just ignore me.

my questions are keeping the thread active and helping people.

>>150386721
Not him, but question about fatigue really is answered in the manual. I highly recommend you reading it.

>>150386374

Spell fatigue generation is whatever it says on the spell description multiplied by 1 / (1 + extra levels above minimum)

So a D2 generates 40 fatigue from Horde of Skeletons, a D3 generates 20, a D4 generates 13, a D5 generates 10. And so on.

But yeah. Read the manual.

>>150386721
No, he is right. You better learn about some basic spellcasting mechanics BEFORE you start playing MP or learning about certain nation.

>>150386995
Well i'm already in several multiplayer games and doing fine. I'll probably lose the late game though.

Would there be interest in a Cataclysm game?

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DO TURNS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>spend 2 hours scripting your giant army to fight the enemy's giant army
>you're prepared for just about everyting, from turn-1 RoS to Scs porting in
>it's gonna be close but if your scripting holds out you should be able to win
>next turn comes in
>oh boy I can't wait to see how that epic battle went
>he ran away and the "big fight" was against 1 PD
>tfw

>>150382659
if he doesn't let me take that province i will be even more rushable to due to weird positioning of stuff.
it's litterally 8 income province.

okay, it took me a while, but this game is growing on me.

Its like a super streamlined version of Masters of Magic back in the ol Micropose days, but its different enough that it doesn't just feel like a civ clone or MoM.

The focus on gods instead of magic is fun and different, but how come there are no good earth gods?

Also, i fought gnomes. Do any nations start out with gnomes?

>>150391603
I like the old Microprose stuff but never actually got around to Masters of Magic. How does it compare to Dominions? Is there any appeal left for somebody willing to go back now or is it just archaic and outdated compared to what we have now?

>Do any nations start out with gnomes
No. Sorry but Illfraud have been too lazy to give us a gnome nation. Maybe in the next DLC pack.

>>150391603
>Its like a super streamlined version of Masters of Magic
>streamlined

Oh boy are you in for a rude awakening.

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>tfw not even Dominions is a safe haven from normalfags

FUCKING NORMALFAGS AND YOUR SHITTY JOBS, JUST DO THE TURNS FUCK

>>150392103
There's probably proportionally more people with jobs or other active commitments on /domg/ than other generals given that the PBEM format is pretty flexible.
Not counting the people that get put in jail or get removed by the illuminati

>>150392103
Keep in mind that time-zones are also a thing. My turns tend to arrive really early in the morning while I usually play in the afternoon, meaning that I can never be quick about this stuff.

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>>150394586

>>150394854
Is it actually solvable with the information provided? I once put a stupid amount of time into expanding that diagram in every possible direction but simply couldn't find enough angles to create a triangle where x is the missing angle that would give the complete 180 degrees. I still remember trigonometry fairly well but I just couldn't do it.

I really don't know if it's made for shitposting or if I'm just an idiot though.

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>>150394997

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>>150394997
I would also like to know, all i could go right now is this.

>>150395247
You should see what I did to the first piece of paper I drew this fucking triangle on. I had it expanded out about 3 times its original size on each side drawing more and more angles and triangles trying to reach a point where x could only be one number. I was able to narrow it down a fair bit but I could never finish it. I think it's just made to fuck with people, but then I slept through most of math in high school so what do I know?

>>150394997
>>150395247
Those
>you should be able to solve this
images are always troll images, so whoever made it probably removed a value somewhere to make it unsolvable.

It's a pretty old meme.

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>>150396037

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>>150396129

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This one is actually solveable.

>>150396451
!

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>>150396319

>>150396519
There's no room to put it.

>>150396451
Is the answer turning the 2 into a wonky 8?

>>150396602
>28 > 30
Anon...

>>150396678
The 2 anon, not the 0

>80 > 30

>>150396602
Nope.

The answer is really lame. It helps to keep in mind this came from /a/.

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>>150396582

How the fuck do I access mods that were on Desura now?

>register

I can't register because that redirects me to the same error page.

>>150396907
Desura is fucked.

>>150396960
I know, but people still link it for mods, evidently some can still get to them in some way.

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>>150396451

>>150396715
>>150396451
Well, if it's a really lame answer, what about turning 3 to a lame slashed zero?

>>150397158
genius

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>>150397158
Ooooh, nice

>>150397158
Better than I expected, really.

>>150397014
Use the archive.
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum.html

What's the easiest way to build underwater temple as LA Jomon?

ring of water breathing

>>150397952
>>150398040
This, and erf snek pretender

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>>150396037

Cataclysm game is up for all your meme needs:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MemeFastStaleHard

Running summod and magic enhanced for a bit of variety. Map is temporary but I thought it would be topical at the moment seeing the shitfest last thread, will pick a proper one when enough players are in.

>>150398168
Pretender can not built the temple in his own honor. Only his folowers could.

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>FIRST TURN

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I AM ANGRY

ANGRY ABOUT BATS

>>150400681
Yeah, but you need the erf snek to capture underwater provinces when expanding and to help expansion in general, since jomon has pretty crappy troops even for LA. It's one of the only reliable ways they have of getting underwater.

>>150400681

Yeah, but he can take underwater provinces without undue risk. Which one dude with a ring of water breathing definitely can't.

>>150401267
>>150401276
You've got a point. But I guess it's easier not to take Erfsnake to expand UW, but to hire some amphibious mercs for that purpose.

>>150401748
amphibious mercs are a scam: rarely avaible, avaible when you need money to start fort,overbid by many people, one squad of them might not be able to conquer an UW water, so if oyu can't add shamlbers or some shit like it to them you can't be guaranteed to do anything.

i'd rather rely on bringing some troops and mages UW with rings and goblets.

>>150400958
What the fuck did you expect, you mongoloid?

>>150402562
NOT TO GET MY SCOUT KILLED ON THE FIRST TURN

>>150397158
Kek

Threadly reminder to remove skeletons birds and bats . And elves.

>>150405878
Tell me merchant, who can I trust?

>>150405878
We really need a nation of glamoured undead bats.

>>150406008
With blood magic and native Astral Corruption caster

>>150405956

Trust merchants, they are trustworthy and would never betray your trust. Its trust well trusted.

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fucking demons

Rlyeh my friend could we chat a bit in the steam chat. About our trade.

>>150406295
Too many swordsmen
Too less crossbows

>>150406295
Could have been worse.
That event can spawn a lot of demon knights if I remember correctly, I've seen it land on unprepared armies and rout hundreds of units.

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>still no turns

I need my fucking dose goddamnit

>>150399682
How weird does Cataclysm get?

>>150408305
Considering most of your units are determined by sites you find in provinces, it can get quite weird. Last cataclysm game was lots of fun though, you rarely get big power differences assuming players got the same amount of land.

Fuck bloodfags though.

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What is a "cataclysm" game?

>>150409348
A mod called Cataclysm changes all nations to be indie humans with shit mages and troops.

>>150409348
All nations are the same with shit troops, actually good troops, mages, and commanders come from sites spread around the map. Basically instead of sites being for gems, they give the ability to recruit troops.

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Shinuyama 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Machaka 2h file received
Man 2h file received
Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Vanarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Ys 2h file received

>>150415054
>Ulm 2h file received
It's a memeracle.

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>>150415054
>Marignon Waiting for 2h file

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I'm thinking of making a map for the ultimate meme game.

it'll work like this:

all players get a natgen amphibious nation

map will be 7 islands. one large island with provinces that become increasingly better the closer they are to the centre, and then 6 small shitty islands surrounding it that house 2 players each for a total of 12 players

players have to decide whether to make peace with their island buddy so they can rush to the centre of the main island, or if they will try and take the whole starting island for themselves

also all capitals probably get tidal wave'd to oblivion when people start getting evo 9

would any of you join this?

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>>150418517
I like it and I wouldn't mind the admin starting on the super island with some kind of pygmy nation protected by giant apes.

>>150418517
That sounds pretty ebin.

>>150314748
>>150385308

Water nations are absolutely fine, and on that front Ys is still open in case anyone is eager to give them a try.

Also, Agartha and Ulm are still free for you powergaming lot. We only need a few more nations to start (I'd be happy to start with 12 total but I'll wait for a bit and see if we can get 16)

>>150327574

I actually like a lot of the changes I've see in summod, I just wanted to play a vanilla game.

Also I'd like to do my part to make sure that not every single non-natgen game is played with summod, regardless of how good it is.

>>150418517
I'm always up for more natgen shit.

Also was thinking for an eventual disciples natgen game, what about themed batches? Say there are 3 teams, each team gets a batch themed of x nations. So team humanoid gets humans, abysians, etc. team beasts gets foulspawn, halfmen (minotaurs, centaurs) etc. Looking through the natgen there is plenty for at least team human, team beasts, team elves, team birds, etc.

That or we could just do a normal one where the teams get a big batch each to pick.

Person with two candles nearbye, plz talk, I want nice borders not an early clusterfuck

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>>150419762
>team elves
>team birds

>>150419125
>Agartha and Ulm are still free for you powergaming lot
lel

>>150419762
I've wanted to play in a disciples game for a pretty long time now so that'd be fantastic.

>>150420474

Come claim them free wins, anon. Though you'll have to fight Pan and Ermor for it.

>>150420156
Team Elves vs Team Burd vs Team Skeleton

>>150419925
Are you near a throne in a forest with mountains ?

>>150420973
Border mountain forest throne adjacent to water?

>>150421076
Yep, is the two candle tile your capital?

>>150421267
Can we talk privately? I mean, I guess we could continue to be obtuse enough to not give away much info to others, but...

>>150420959
They aren't free wins at all. I was laughing at the notion that they're powergamer nations.

>>150421406
I'm fine either way, it's wraparound after-all. So where do you wanna go, up left right or down? And should I go on chat or something?

>>150422084
Chat, becaue I have a stupid plan for expansion

Redpill me on Arco. How do I win battles and games?

Big Mystic communions, spam magma eruptions, gifts from heaven, destruction, etc. as approppriate. Oreiads are cool but rare

>>150423395
communions

So what does MA Arco do that, say, MA TC doesn't aside from easier mindhunting?

>>150421514

If you don't consider MA Ulm and Agartha to be among the strongest of their era, I'd like to hear which MA nations you think are higher tier.

>>150426424

Personally the nations that top my MA tier list are Ermor, Ulm, Pan, and Agartha in no particular order, so I don't disagree with Ulm and Agartha's inclusion.

>>150425369
well being able to natively craft all the high astral items is a thing, for starters

>>150426424
Ermor and Pan are the T1 nations. I'd rate Nazca just below them. I'd say that most other MA nations (Ulm, Agartha, Jotunheim, Vanheim, Pelagia, Sceleria, Pythium, Rus) are all fairly close to each other in power, depending on, well, a large number of factors.

Ulm and Agartha can both certainly do well and win games, but they aren't remotely OP.

What makes Pan so strong? Just ubiquitous stealth access? Their battle magic looks pretty, uh, tame. The reveller nerf looks like a huge deal to me, since a buff strat really benefits from having a dense square set to hold and attack

>>150391865
It was my second favorite game next to MoO2

>>150386431
Crystal Matrices only work on priests if they have magic paths (though randoms will count, even if they don't get them).

>>150427121

Honestly I haven't played Nazca pre-nerf (when they were the most OP shit ever), nor have they shown up enough in my MA games for me to say anything one way or the other.

I'd definitely separate Ulm and Agartha from that list you gave (Pythium? I've won a pbem with them but c'mon now), but Jotunheim and Sceleria are not too far off imo.

>>150428354

meant to say "haven't played Nazca since pre-nerf"

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>>150428354

>mfw playing pre-nerf nazca

>>150427532

Every single of their troops is GREAT and has uses, everything is fast and stealthy, they get free spawn if they want, excellent buff paths, can survive with almost no gold, can seduce the mages they dont have opening up new paths, guaranteed expansion, hard to siege, strong both early and super late game, blood access.

>>150427532
Reveler nerf? Haven't played for a while, what did I miss?

>>150428051
Damn, that is high praise.

>>150428354
They are in ForAFistfulOfDeathgems and I'm currently fighting them.

>>150427532
White centaurs are some of the best sacreds in the game for expansion which can also fuck up a lot of other nation's troops with just a single or duo bless (W9 or W9N9

High quality, stealthy troops with recuperation, high map movement, forest survival and higher than average stats all around. They stick around and gain experience without getting permanently crippled, so recruits stay useful for longer.

Pans are strong mages with good paths for buffing and are recruit anywhere, Pan also has a bit of blood magic to supplement their lategame. Easy access to useful globals like gift of health and mother oak.

A lot of the stronger buffs available to them are battlefield wide (mass protection, army of lead/gold, mass regeneration, Gaia's blessing) and revellers are still extremely cost effective troops, only costing 3 resources means you can get a fuckton of them very quickly.

So, they're strong early, strong in the midgame, and have ways to supplement their lategame with blood magic and the nature summons.

>>150429068
>Already we have wars
Is this what Clint would have wanted?
REMOVE PUNKS

>>150429068
Oh really? That was fast.

>>150429040
They're undisciplined now. That's actually a pretty huge change, given that the mainstay strat for Pan is putting AoE buffs on them.

>>150428891
>Every single of their troops is GREAT and has uses
I would much rather say that they have great troops (even if their best one was nerfed). You really don't want satyr sneaks, for instance. Solid explanation overall, though.

>>150429068
Ermor?

>>150429364
>>150429417
Yes, I didn't want it since I don't even have my capring and Jotunheim is 1 province away from my capital. But he is also involved in a war I think.

>>150429446
maybe

>>150429417

I meant troops types - centaurs area great archers with longbows and have their uses, centaur warriors are amazing cavalry and have their uses, satyr warriors and revelers have their uses, harpies are pretty amazing too. Guess some subtypes of troops are worse but still quite good.

>>150381565
Can you get in chat?

>>150391865
master of magic is absolutely still worth playing if you have yet to, it's an excellent game

>>150429698
Jotunheim is in Shinu's cap circle and apparently encroaching on Arco. That's pretty huge.

>>150427532
They have strongest sacreds of the era that are particularly adept at expansion, virtually guaranteening them a strong early game and making them immune against attacks by most individual nations.

Their superhuman troops combined with ideal buff paths also allow them to do fine against virtually anything with just their standard battlefield tactics and are difficult to deal with by most other nations without special counters (for example, communions are fairly easy to disrupt if you can kill even a few of the communion slaves, but Pangaea's mages are very durable and difficult to target, and buffed Revelers are extremely resistant against most anti-army counters, even turn 1 RoS/Earthquake requires a degree of commitment because they can survive several casts)

Besides being strong in straight-up fights, they have a lot of other strategical and tactical tricks up their sleeve (ranging from seducer-assassins, recuperation, ability to stealth away from tough situations/reinforce sieged forts/go the elf route and start wars with crippling first strike and making forts unassailable with maenad hordes to being able to survive post-Armageddon endgame with transformed Panii and freespawn).

They are quite straightforward to play so most players can realize their primary strengths to a large extent.

Etc.

There's of course a number of weaknesses as well but Pangaea's strengths are very pronounced and relevant.


As for reveler nerf, while I haven't played Pangaea since, I don't think it affects MA as much as it affects EA. The nice thing about MA is that you have an abundance of E3 random Panii so you don't have to rely on Earthpower for casting the buff spells. It's problematic if you want to buff Wooden Warriors+Strength of Giants multiple times in the early game, but Mass Protection can be reached quite quickly and Rush of Strength is available in endgame such that Weapons of Sharpness remains the only critical buff that needs to be cast before movement

>>150429230

White centaurs are very good, yes. But Pans aren't very cost-effective mages. 305 gold and StR for a 50% E3 is underwhelming, and the N3/4 is mostly useless except between Alt 5 and 7. Until you get Alt 7 you're pretty vulnerable to all kinds of threats. Fire, Air, and Astral being big ones.

>>150420816
Well with Scrubgen going on right now I'm not sure if it's the right time for another natgen game. Maybe when Scrubgen is getting into the late game?

>>150431173
Or whenever enough get eliminated to start a new set.

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>>150399682
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE JOIN MY GAME

Guys how2git gud at this game? AI annoys me out of the game.

>>150431913
Join a PBEM and get rekt a few times.

>>150430714
E2 Pans are still useful since earth magic is useful in general, and you are going to be going for alteration first since mother oak and a lot of useful buff spells are in there. You're going to be difficult to rush before you get research done since your troop quality is high and you have a lot of stealthy options available to you for raiding enemy provinces/making their lives a pain. Pans wouldn't be nearly as good on other nations (See Ur), but they fit well when all they really need to do is buff troops and throw out a few useful spells.

>>150432018

Okay thanks, it's just that I'm waiting on a discount to buy the game. Any idea when the next sale could be?

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Shinuyama 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Machaka 2h file received
Man 2h file received
>Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Vanarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
Ys 2h file received

>>150429230
I would say Pangaea is strong in lategame as well even if it wasn't for their blood access. Communion nations for example fall much harder because they are relatively easy to disrupt. It's not easy to deal with revelers with full buffs.

>>150430670
Oh, and besides being stealthy, Pangaea has strategic mobility second only to bats and birds. I'd argue that's a very major deal, especially when it's augmented by the fact that your top-shelf mages can be recruited throughout your empire and Revelers have such low resource cost that you can raise an army in a single turn wherever you need them.

>>150432146
They happen pretty often. Last two sales literally happened in a single month.

>>150431414
Well whoever hosts here's one thing I learned from Scrubgen X: genning batches with filters will take ages so be ready and no custom descriptions other than nation descriptions if you value your sanity (5-6 nations took me a solid hour of copypasting, I imagine if all 16 had turned in descriptions I'd have hanged myself).

>>150432617
Worth it, though.

>>150433121
Yes but one doesn't expect it to take that long, but it does. 5-6 isn't too bad but you never know how many are gonna turn in stuff. At the very least don't do what I did and do it all in one sitting without breaks.

Letting players drop in their own .dm is an option but then you have to be sure nobody cheats.

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>>150432150

>Marignon will never take his turn
>in actuality he has passed on
>the admin suffers a fatal heart attack
>mfw we're stuck in a max turn time game until someone wins

everyone just stop sending in turns, i'll end fast and spare us all the suffering

>>150433341
If it's not anonymous, I seriously doubt anyone would cheat. It's virtually impossible to not get caught given that both .dm files will be accessible to every player and anyone else that cares to look, and being outed as a cheater will stick with you to the point that you simply can't play MP dominions anymore.

>>150399682
How do pretenders work in Cataclysm?

>>150434530
All nations have the same very large batch of pretenders to pick from.

>>150434643
>all nations have the same modest batch of awake expanders to pick from

>>150435130
kek

>>150435130
>>150434643
So Earth Snake or Chaos Serpent?

>>150435965
I'm a big fan of Man Eater, if it's in the selection.

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<--- this thread

>>150438441

Your mom

>>150436131
I have absolutely no luck with combat pretenders so I think I'll gamble on blesses.

There are sacreds in Cataclysm, right?

>>150438745
Yeah, but barring a generically useful bless like N9, you have no idea if you'll be able to use it.

>>150438745
Yeah but you have to find them, so it's a gamble (you start with shitty generic ones if I recall).

>staling on the second turn

Marignon you're fucking dead buddy

>>150440526
>you start with shitty generic ones if I recall
I thought you had no sacreds at all.

>>150440668
If he stales turn 2, it's pretty clear that he doesn't care about that. Unless you're Illuminati and going to kill him IRL.

>>150441223
Ironically that's why he's now staling, haveing been killed in the past for the coming stale.

>>150441223

Was that the guy with the summod barbarian sprite error?

>implying I didn't join this just to stale
>implying I don't join games with mememod and stale on purpose
>implying you faggots can do anything about it

>>150441513
We can just set staling players AI and that's all.

It's annoying but not critical.

>>150441629

Its game ruining turn 2 tho.

>>150441785
Pff. Just restart then.

>>150441629
Do that right now then, bet you won't, bet you will just lay down and take it while I laugh.

>>150441862
If I was the admin I'd restart at turn 1 if anybody staled. And I'm not even in that game, so whatever.

>>150441513
>implying a Z- tier nation staling on turn 2 will make any difference whatsoever
I hope I get your cap.

>>150442357
Probably, but don't expect to get there before mid august at best, because I intend to stale every single turn.

>>150442536
>Not knowing admins can set players AI

>>150442536
>implying
Unless you're the admin, you'll be AI before your third stale.