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Previous thread: >>149698929
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1st for we need named pyromancer, aeromancers, and summoners in crawl.
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2nd for Demon
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>>149907420
third for demon
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>>149907942
Oh shit nigga those needles.
>no vigorous though
For why?
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>>149908231
gotta stack dem status effects
Also bloodlust gives 5 SP if she hits, vigorous gives a bonus 2.5 SP per turn.
Ferret said somewhere that base accuracy is 85% for most attacks, and her high agility gives like a +20% accuracy bonus against same level targets, so she should be hitting much more often than not with her shots, giving her >2.5 SP each turn on average, which is better than vigorous
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>>149908829
How much SP is poison needle?
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>>149909186
20 SP
So 5 SP from bloodlust + 5 SP from regen gives an effective cost of 10 SP per turn, or roughly 10 shots before she's empty. Needle shot is only 15 SP and would have an effective cost of 5 SP per turn or 20 shots, but muh 50% poison chance
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>get dropped from dlevel 7 all the way to 10
>dcssfags will defend this
Some perma invis thing with hyperspeed that can climb up stairs kept following me all the way to my death.
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>>149909938
Thats unseen horror
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>>149907174
We kill aeromancer and summoner in wizlabs.
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>>149910065
wizlabs are cool as fuck. They should be a proper branch with like 3 floors accessed from vaults or something. The wizard would be random each game.
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>>149909938
I won't defend it. It can be exciting to fight your way back up after getting shafted, but I don't think it's necessary to have shafts when shit tons of very difficult out of depth monsters spawn constantly
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>>149910065
But they don't have proper names or spells named after them. All the other schools of magic have at least 1 spell named after a famous wizard but those 3 don't.
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>>149909938
The only time DCSS is remotely fun is when you don't have an escape path to the up stairs. That was the last challenging thing that would have happened to your character, and it's merciful that it was ended there (where you proved that you don't have the skill to win) rather than being forced to continue playing the game for another 5 hours.
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>>149910359
Wucad Mu has a staff named after him
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>>149910409
DCSS is a shit game, a product of insane developers and their pet top players circlejerking over retarded bullshit and memes while drinking "muh design philosophy" koolaid.
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>>149910619
He's a monk, not a wizard and he still doesn't have any spells named after him.
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>>149910065
>tfw i only ever found two wizlabs
>The first closed because autoexplore a shit
>The second i splatted in
>Will never know the joy of phat loot
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>>149910778
He's a summoner.
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>>149910409
Lol'd.
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>>149910939
Was he a summoner or is his statue just have summon shadow creatures because of some great and terrible tragedy that befell him and the monastery?
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>Turn 209
>Xom gifts me 930 gold
CK is truly best start
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>>149910359
Perhaps the greatest wizards of summoning and aeromancy are so great since modern spellcasters know not even a shadow of their name.
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How is /dcssg/ today? Because god knows that we never talk about anything else here.
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>>149911331
I had a run where i gotten a potion of experience like 5 steps into the game
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>D:4
>xom summons a sun demon on me
>you are now xom's teddy bear
>-1/63 HP
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>>149912113
Maybe bitching about that when the OP image is one from PCB is a dumb idea, especially when you have done nothing to start conversation about a not-DCSS roguelike.
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>>149912113
The only relevant roguelikes are dcss, nethack and dorf fort anyway, and dcss is the more accessible of the bunch. Of course we're mostly going to talk about dcss.
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>>149910409
>>149910728
>>149912113
(you)
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Let's do our best this thread, anonymous!
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>>149912367
>Xom thinks this is hilarious
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>When using a QWERTY keyboard layout, the name "Xom" is simply "Zin," but with all letters mistyped one key to the right.

Deepest lore.
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>>149912996
relly maeks u thnk huh
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>>149912996
>when using a latin alphabet, the name "HAL" is simply "IBM" with a letter shift toward A

wtf I hate dcss now
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>>149912996
how viable is it to do a 3 run escape as a xom fuckboy since the begining ? i hate when he just warps me around the map for shit a giggles and leaves me inside a mob, are formicids inmune to that efect ?
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>>149913574
No, Xom's translocations pierce stasis. Usually.
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>>149913574
Its doable, depends lot on which race youre playing and bit on how lucky you are, obviously.. But it is doable non the less, there have been people doing 15-rune runs as Ck
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>>149909938
>discover that invis enemy is faster than you
>keep running away until it kills you instead of fighting in corridor

you really are a mibe aren't you
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>>149913574
Oh and no, god forced movement pierces all sort of immunities
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>>149913790
i lost a super cool Hill orc of the storm god to a ghost moth man, those fuckers are scary
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>>149913790
>try to fight it
>he gets in, hits me, and gets out of range before I can even try to hit it once
At least try to play the game instead of spouting bullshit all the time.
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>>149914030
YOU HAVE FLAME CLOUDS

JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT UNTIL IT DIES
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>>149914376
I GOT SURROUNDED BY EVEN MORE GHOST MOTHS AND EMPEROR SCORPIONS MAN I GOT SUPER COCKY BECAUSE THE LAIR WAS A JOKE
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>>149914635
WELL DON'T FUCKING DO THAT AGAIN YOU POOR MAN'S MIBE
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>>149914913
I DONT WANT TO USE A MI EVER, WHAT IF I WANT TO CAST MEPHITIC CLOUD TO HAVE EVEN MORE CLOUDS TO REANIMATE

how much armor skill do you need to have to cast on a plate amor ?
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>>149915206
A lot. Like 15 or something and that's with pretty good spellcasting skill. Armored mages are baller though.
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>>149915319
right ? i feel im playing the game wrong as a fighter with semi good rods and getting carried by a gods pasive skill
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>>149913574
>how viable is it to do a 3 run escape as a xom
Xom is better than no god for races that can quaff potions.

Xom is also worse than probably every other god except Ru.

Generally the only reason to play CK is for fun, and it is lots of fun.
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>>149916473
>rest to heal
>YOU BORE ME, TO THE ABYSS WITH YOU

indeed
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>>149916765
Bear in mind, there are ways to manipulate Xom interest to avoid some of his most dangerous effects.

This isn't really relevant on any combo except MuCK, though.
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What is the most AOE damage i can do in a single spell (at max power of course) or ability in DCSS?
If it isn't resisted it would be awesome, but i'd like to know the spell/god-ability closest to "Use this to kill everything in LOS with 2-3 uses"
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>>149917290
Shatter hits everything in LoS and would probably do the most total damage if conditions are right. Not sure how it compares against god abilities like Apocalypse or Qazcuck
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>>149917442
I agree, however 1/3rd of the monsters in the game fly one way or another (and another chunk are incorporeal), so i guess it's what i'm looking for, but not in every situation.
Apocalypse does a shitton of damage (can almost 1-shot pan-lord if it doesn't affect them with statuses), but you can't use it more than once until Exhaustion expires.
Qazlel seems too fucking random with the elements (and the damage too), or does it reliably two-shots things?
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>>149917290
The best "everything dead spells" are Tornado, Apocalypse, Disaster Area, and Shatter.
Tornado is over time and Apocalypse can apply debuffs instead. So you are probably looking for Shatter or 27 Invo Disaster area.
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>>149917442
>Apocalypse or Qazcuck
Ru is literally the god of SJWcucks, mutilating themselves in a mentally ill race to see who can be the least privileged.
Quazloud is the alpha motherfucker who throws open the dungeon doors and murders the entire floor in a no-holds-barred slaughterfest.
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>>149910925
By the time wizlabs show up you should have some mapping scrolls. This is what they're for.
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>>149910925
>autoexploring on a timed vault floor
you're such a fucking noob, anonymous
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>>149917943
The latter. If you have the piety for it you can clear rooms full of pan lords within 3-4 presses.
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Fffffuuuck wand acquirement.
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>>149919629
into the lava they go
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>You miss.
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>>149921757
>You die...
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>>149921757
>It breathes
>You breathe
>You are both alive. That is natural
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>killing hyders with bees
Okay, anon. This is pretty good.
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at what skill level is it worth to use a executioner axe over a broad axe?
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>>149916473

>Enlightenment is worse than worshiping AIDS: The God
>Ru being worse than AIDS

you don't know what you're talking about shitter
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>>149924834
>doing math that involves fractions
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>>149924834
Depends.
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>>149925083
/rlg/ is a master of combitronometry.
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>>149914332
>too dumb to step back and forward in a corridor to kill anything with bat AI

literally peak mibe
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>>149926746
>I have never played the game but I still shitpost about it
/rlg/ in a nutshell
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>>149926848

>baiting this hard

Wew
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>>149909938

>no tele id'd beyond D5
>complaining about shafts, one of the most irrelevant """"traps"""" in the game

you double minotaur
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>>149926746
He fell down a shaft, lad. He had no way of knowing where a corridor would be, and he liked had to continue running from other threats he wasn't yet prepared to face.
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so demolitions depots will eventually explode right
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Turns out Statue Form is pretty good. Between this and Shadow Creatures I can take on pretty much anything
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>>149917290
You want an amulet of harm for that sweet +30% damage.
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>>149926848
Why're you quoting yourself?
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>>149928059

>be Statue of Chei
>move 1 tile
>get rekt by 4 torments from 2 tormentors
>get destroyed by 4 damnations from a single hellion
>get rekt by 2 Brimstone fiends casting 4 damnations
>Dispater casts LCS 10(ten) times
>An awoo managed to land a howl debuff
>a spooky skeleton answers the summons
>-1000000/291hp
>Chei takes off his mask and reveals the face of a grinning Xom
>+15 stats and dat Slouch™ amirite lads
>Xom finds this hilarious
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>>149929774
4 torments would only deal 40% health to me though

that's not too bad
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>>149930140
anon
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>>149929774
Yes anon please continue posting garbage hypotheticals which will never happen.
The only time you can get 1-shot as a statue lad is walking into LOS of aware Hellion Island into LOS of multiple hellions (>=3) on the same turn AND for some reason having statue up while travelling.
I dislike playing chei but you're retarded.
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>>149930637
>getting this defensive over a joke post
don't do this lads
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Should I pick up "Undeadhunter" or ice dragon armor?
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>>149931057
>XL 12
>dat club
wtf I love dcss now
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>>149931198
Trog is a beneficent and merciful god.
Sprints tend to make piety generate at a higher rate.
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>>149931057
The mace because it's fun
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>>149931446
I just read that shit on the wiki? Why is an anti undead mace evil?
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>>149918148
>opening doors as qazlal

he is the god of staircases anon
qazlal would never associate with a door
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>>149926848
yes anon, unseen horrors are unavoidable unfightable instakills to characters without sinv, and somehow you are the only one who realizes this

all those other crawl players who claim to be able to actually kill invisible enemies are probably just cuck shills for the devil's team
after all, tab doesn't attack invisible units so it's impossible to fight them
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>>149932265
not sure if retarded or just pretending.
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>>149932490
if you're a tablord combo you literally just stand in a corridor and mash control+direction until it dies
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>>149932653
I see, so you're not pretending then.
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>>149932794

>I see

No you don't since you don't have Sinv.
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>Xom polymorphs something in D:7 into a dire elephant
>Xom plays tele roulette with me in the minotaur's labyrinth
>Xom teleports me away from the staircase I was going to use to escape from a pack of death yaks on the turn I was going to press <
Absolutely friggin' epik xddd
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>>149932794
i'm too busy sucking dev cock to admit the truth:
that the game is completely unwinnable or at least way too hard, so the crawldevs should just remove enemies until you can win without any keys other than tab and o
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>>149932265
How much do you get paid to defend dungeon crawl stone soup on an anonymous image board, and where do I apply?
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>>149932941
>>Xom teleports me away from the staircase I was going to use to escape from a pack of death yaks on the turn I was going to press <
Lucky you. Normally he prefers teleporting the STAIRS away.
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>>149932980
i already explained this anon

i'm not doing it for money, i just want devil's team cummies in my tummy
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>>149933135
Ah, shucks! And there I thought I could make a quick buck. Oh well, thanks for the info.
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>>149933252
it's more than worth it anon
you should definitely do it anyways
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>>149933135
>>149932980
You get half a shot of cummies per positive post.
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>>149933135
>tummy

I gotta say though. Unless your character is very diesel, an early unseen horror is a serious danger. They have decent evasion (and you lose accuracy if you dont have SInv) and can often move back after attacking, getting multiple hits on you while you get nothing on them.
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Tell me about your current characters, anons. Doing anything spicy? Or are you just playing it safe? Have you found your worth in the dungeon hollows?
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>>149933436
That's actually a pretty good rate. Maybe I could store and sell them. Yummy Cummies for your Tummy, only $5 per shot. Think I'd get takers?
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>>149933462
yeah unseen horrors aren't completely harmless, and OOD ones can be dangerous

but anon is retarded and doesn't understand the concept of using corridors to fight invisible things

probably because he only ever attacks using tab
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>>149933663
Depends, what do you think of pineapples?
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>>149933671
Why don't you project just a little bit harder? You'd even best the high-end epson that way.
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>>149933724
ew. pineapple cummies are as bad as pineapple pizza is good

>>149933787
that's what im trying to do anon <3
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>>149933969
wait an epson isn't a vaccuum cleaner, is it
</3
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>>149933724
Depends where you put 'em I suppose
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>>149933671
Don't be a fag. Getting shafted 3 floors to D10 is like a sample abyss. It can be very easy, but also very lethal. Whilw I am sure anon could have made it out and it is his fault that he died, it is not his fault he wasn't good enough to make it out. Acquiring skill takes time, or being a genius. Not everyone is a genius or has >300 hours of gameplay experience.

Doesn't make him a brainless MiBetard.
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L I T E R A L L Y hitler holy shit
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>>149934421
getting shafted doesn't make him a mibe

but doing >>149914332 then giving up and trying to run from something he knows is faster than him does
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>>149934868
Running away is very un-mibe. Checkmate semen-drinkers!
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>>149934868
Running has a non-0 chance of saving the character. Fighting had a 0 chance of ending well.
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>>149934868
It sounds like that anon didn't know how to ctrl swing in corridors.
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>>149935247
yeah probably

he also gets triggered as fuck whenever anyone points out that it was a fault
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Daily reminder that tummy wummies are for pinchy winchies, NOT for cummies.
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This would be a incredibly useless unrand if it hadn't been on D:5. I hope I get an ice beast or something
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>>149935743
Don't forget tickly wicklies
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>>149935786
I've always been really sad that you can't enchant that into a Zhor leather armour. As it is, no one would ever want to wear that outside of dudes who find it super early.
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>>149935743
i don't think it's even possible to be more wrong than you are right now, anon
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help
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>>149936112
...What the hell is that game?
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>>149935743
>>149935875
pedos get OUT
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>>149936173
Looks like... touhou?

I'm curious too now
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>>149936173
Looks like anon decided his shitpost was getting stale and made some OC

Nice, anon.
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>>149936112
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>>149935743

>tfw Xom does nothing to you, but finds you hilarious anyways
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>>149936589
Xom is cute! Cute! C-U-T-E!
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>>149936589
>Generic anime girl
>xom
Apply yourself.
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>>149936487
it was strangely fun and relaxing making them roguelike tiles
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>>149930637

>which will never happen
>a hasted char moving towards a single hellion can move 1.4 auts and still receive 2 damnations
>the same can happen against a single tormentor since it only casts a single spell exactly like a hellion

retard
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>>149936903
>>149936589
>god of chaos
>clearly humanoid features

No stop
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>>149936223
I'm gonna pinch your tummy, anon.
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>>149934216
You eat the pineapple, and the milk becomes sweet. If you know what I mean *nudge nudge wink wink*
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>>149937108
>>149936112
You did good, anon.
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>>149936903
>generic anime girl xom
there's worse
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>>149936903
>that scrotum belly tho
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>>149937629
Please don't.
>this guy draws every character in pretty much this exact outfit
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>>149937202
It wouldn't be very chaotic for the god of chaos to look chaotic desu. That would be expected.
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>>149937805
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>>149937629
DBZ xom a worst.

>>149937202
I'd prefer nonhumanoid gods if people actually drew them.

>>149937771
>You will never cuddle Xom on a hot day and get stuck to his weird scrotum belly
Only real OG chaos nagas understand this feel.
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>>149937909
This is bad.
I've always pictured Sif as being a giant blue geode-like thing. Or sorta like Ramiel from evangelion.
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>>149938287
gross
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>>149938287
Abate.
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>>149938401
is that japanese for "please post more animes"
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>>149938474
English for stop actually.
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>you will never pinchy winchy /rlg/'s tummy wummy
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>>149938614
oh sorry
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>>149938724
In the holy name of Elyvilon, I demand that you immediately stop being such a pedo
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>>149938724
>you'll never give /rlg/'s tummy some yummy cummy
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>>149939156
cummies are for xom feet, not for tummies
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>>149939059
A-are you implying that /rlg/ posters are lolis and shotas?
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>>149939367
literally everyone who has ever used the word "tummy" for any purpose is 100% a pedophile
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When did /rlg/ devolve into this

Aren't we supposed to get really angry at shitposts
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>>149939254
>>149939059
>>149938772
>>149938474
>>149938287
>>149937909
>>149937629
Jesus he DOES give everyone the same outfit. It's not even that sexy of an outfit or anything.
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>>149939957
well youre supposed to ignore shitposting generally so they go away
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>>149940035
>make community around shit games
>wonder why community is shit
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>>149940103
Does that include the /rlg/ community?


...the tummunity?
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>>149940103
meant for >>149939957
pls no bulli my tummi
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>>149939957
was /rlg/ never not shitposts?
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>>149940521

>implying you can succeed at anything in life while being poor at math
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>>149940521
>do I need to be good at math to play old rl games
well you're a failure in real life, and you will PROBABLY be a failure in nethack, but one isn't gonna cause the other
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I didn't even know they could spawn that early
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>>149940721
>Tfw better at English than math
>Don't care for literary shit
>Too dumb for even the most basic of algebra

Kill me.
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>>149941027

Get their attention and then read fear and you might not die
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>>149941132
>tfw literal children are posting in rlg
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>>149941132
1+a = 2

a = ?
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>>149941132
Try khan academy if you really want to learn. Keep this handy too https://www.cymath.com
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>>149937909
m-mama sif?
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>>149941132
It sounds like you should probably just give up, collect welfare checks, and play the few freeware games that will run on your ancient computer. I know a community where you'd fit right in.
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>>149937194
It's potential 3 hellfires per hellion with max damage of 45 per statueformed move.
Potential 3.25 torments for tormentors, doing 17.5% Current HP every time.
For a 300 HP character (we are in statue form) that would be 3 hellions choosing to cast hellfire every turn (even if a monster has one spell and cannot move towards you, it still may not cast unless it has a 100% cast rate- which I don't think anything does) and rolling 11/15 or 12/15 on every die roll.

So yes, it will never happen outside of the already exceedingly unlikely example I gave or absolutely horrible luck.
It is so statistically improbable that it is not worth mentioning.
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>>149941565
> I know a community where you'd fit right in

Let me guess
it either involves casting spells or walking around with my pants below my knees
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>>149941565
>tfw literally autistic but no wellfare checks

should i just live on the dole and play rouge likes forever instead of getting an education and job
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>>149941708
rlg does both of those anon
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>>149941586
Just like getting one-shot on D2 by a gnoll's trident of distortion, am I right?
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>>149942141
a gnoll with a trident of distortion only needs 1 good roll to oneshot you, not 9.
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>>149939957
>When did /rlg/ devolve into this
When /rlg/ ran out of games to play. People don't want to leave, but they have nothing on-topic to contribute.
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>>149942141
No, that's four rolls against two rolls, (6 total, and likely to go over).
The example case is 36 rolls, and likely to go under.
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>>149941586

You don't need 3 hellions. I already told you that it only takes a single hellion to cast damnation 2 times against a hasted, let's say a MiBe (because you literally are being a MiBe right now), moving 2 tiles towards it for a total of 1.4 auts.

And if you really think that's improbable for a single hellion to do that then you haven't really stepped foot into extended.
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>>149942639
We're talking about being one shot.
A Hellion can cast 3 hellfires per statue-chei move.
A Hellion cannot cast 2 hellfires during a hasted normal-speed character's move.
Hellions are speed 12, hasted characters are speed 15.
Apply yourself.
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>>149942475
You have to roll gnoll on D2, trident on gnoll, distortion on trident, damage on attack, distortion effect and finally distortion damage.
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>>149943012

>cannot cast 2 hellfires at 1.4 auts

ahahaha
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>>149943065
Then you also have to roll 3 hellions in the same place in Pan or Hellion Island with a configuration such as to allow 3 to come into line of sight on the same turn.
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>>149942513
That's the whole reason why generals are awful, by the way, and why /vg/ is not only pointless but outright a mistake. You make a thread if YOU want to contribute, not if you want OTHERS to contribute for you. Not understanding that is what made generals a thing to begin with. The result is that whereas usually there would be no follow-up thread when everything is done and has been discussed, which is the whole point of the imageboard format, some crank whore is making thread after thread of nothing instead, killing potentially good threads, and spiraling everything to shit.
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>>149943171
Where did I say that?
Note that they can only do this if the energy rolls correctly and/or the aut count is correct, so it won't happen very often (on a per-hellion basis).
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>>149943193
>you also have to roll 3 hellions
Yes
>with a configuration such as to allow 3 to come into line of sight on the same turn.
Nah, that's going to happen naturally as a consequence of statue form + chei + the 3 hellions.
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>>149943390
Not really, hellion island is not a square, it is irregular and has points which jut out.

Even then it's a fault because you are travelling while statue'd like a retard instead of using the combat buff in combat.

_Even then_ they still have to roll 300 damage in one turn as described above.
So no, it's not really like getting one shot by a gnoll on D2 (which is also likely to be a fault).
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>>149943804
> Your life is your own fault.
Ow you are so mean!
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>>149943804
Yes really.
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>>149943804
Except yes, it really is.
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>>149943065
the chances of "play dcss -> get oneshoy by distognoll" are obviously way lower than "play cheinaga -> get oneshot by hellion island"

but the chances of "fight distognoll -> get oneshot" are much higher than "cheimove at hell lion island -> get oneshot"
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>>149943324

>Where did I say that

Alright, so you admit that it can happen and your only fault is that you delude yourself that this doesn't happen often.

A statue of chei can move a single tile which usually takes 3.0 auts. A single hellion is capable of 2 hellfires per 1.4 auts. Did your 2 Int brain manage to process this by now?
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>>149943270
why are you even here its been like four years of /vg/ nigga lol like just close the tab and walk away hahaha
you're right though
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>>149943270
The problem is that in practice generals being 50% shitposting and 50% on topic is still a better split than, to adress /vg/ specifically, /v/'s 90% shitposting and 10% on topic. A board consisting solely of generals means people can't make 0-effort meme threads. It doesn't IMPEDE people from doing 0 effort meme responses, but if a board excedes a certain amount of shitposting it gets banned

If you see the archives from back when /vg/ was new people were celebrating finally being able to talk about videogames whereas /v/ just sank deeper into unrelated shitposting
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>>149945861
>if a thread
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>>149945965
>fi
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>>149947375
fuck

>if
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T-thanks Xom
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>>149947616
well what did you expect

it wasn't "a runed blowgun"
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>>149941749
There's more money in becoming another Toady.
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>there are late-game enemies whose dangerousness is based solely on which species you picked
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Xom plz
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>>149948826
you're welcome
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>Adds new bumblebees; 3 varieties of 'normal' bees that simply shock the melee attacker, and adds 2 queen-tier bees. These bees can throw electricity at you, but are pretty rare spawns outside the hive center. Adds in larval bee, only seen at the hive center.

Yes this will surely be the PR that stops Cata from being a shitheap. The 3rd dimension can wait.
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>>149949018
>electric bees
but why
are they bionic
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>>149947375
>>149947518
>a post with no more than three characters
>still fuck it up
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>>149949215
if people can create mibe ghosts on D:3, anything is possible
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>>149949018
>>149949113
>electric bees
Thought this was a DCSS desu
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>>149949018
It's for pisskop's shitty mod. He's not even a member of the devteam.
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*evoke feet intensifies*
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Xom does it again!
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>tfw your illusions are better
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Just got acq. as ogre hunter of Trog. What should I get? I don't have that much and I really need rPois.
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>>149949913

>Using a large shield without the requisite skilling

>Fucking 4 EV
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>>149950224

Weapon all day. You'll almost 100% find rPois before the end of lair.
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>>149950385
>>149950224
>acquiring weapon when you're close to trog gifts
armor all the way
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>>149950385
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>>149950239
>D r a i n
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>>149950478

Fuck antimagic
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>>149950542
god damn nevermind fuck armor
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>>149950558

>Implying yellow drain means literally anything and he wouldn't still be at 4 EV maybe 5 without it.
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>>149950542
Nice.
Make sure to get some shields. It's 9 skill to mitigate a normal shield as an ogre and its pretty much unprecedented defenses.
You can easily use a shield even at 4 or 5 skill.
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>>149950810
but gsc is 2handed?
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>>149950810
I have a shield already so that will help my shit defenses a lot.
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this is my current situation, if anyone wants to help me out/watch me die im playing online on the arizona server under the name 'LadyAsherah'

lvl 21 felid transmuter of ru going for 15 runes
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>>149950886
Yeah but he has a dopeass +8 eveningstar of crushing.
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Hey, look at that. Time to open these presents!
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>>149952135
Pretty gud me thinks.
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>>149952135
>using plate instead of TLA with what is clearly shit-all armour skill
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>>149952393
*Confuse has a 1% chance to confuse you when you take damage.
This stacks per item.
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>>149952393
>-tele artifact on a formicid
kek

>>149952535
pretty sure it scales with damage taken some how
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The ride is over. I should of used Evoke Feet, but I thought hydra regen woulda saved me.
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>>149952583
No, it's just hits which deal damage.
Also doesn't proc on poison DoT.
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>>149953268
>dying on D:11
>to yaks and hill giants
anon
>7-12-4
ANON
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>>149953268
At least you got 4 heads. Last time that happened to me I was an ebin one-head.
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>>149953752
His armor got melded into his body because of hydra form you nig
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>>149929774
Statue form + chei is the only combo i can get 15 runes with.
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>>149953752
Did you notice how he was a formicid HYDRA?
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>>149953752
Based retard.
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>>149953268
regen is only good WHILE evoking feet

if you spend 5 turns meleeing the bonus hp from regen barely matters

if you spend 20 turns walking away first and THEN spend 5 turns meleeing, your regen heals you 5x as much
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>>149953943

Why? Even a kobold using xbows with their non-existent Str stat can do more damage per aut than literally anything of Chei
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>>149955015
what? chei only reduces movement speed, not anything else

anything of chei does more damage per aut than the same thing of notchei
the problem is that chei makes it impossible to evoke feet
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Quick /rlg/, I need a combo to play in DCSS!
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>>149955421
DsGl^Nem
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>>149955360

You can't haste. Haste influences your weapon speed too.
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>DEFE (again)
>Depths:5
>go upstairs to Depths:4
>forgot there's a vault that I've not cleared with 30+ enemies inside
>it's like max level mega zig, every tile is occupied with bs enemies
>read teleport scroll
>from full HP in 1 turn, I lose 90% of my HP from juggernaut, caustic shrike, air strike and other bs
>blink
>dead

I'm still fucking mad.
I should've grinded controlled blink to 0% next time and yes, I should add those two upstairs as exclusion.
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>>149956181
Going from 10 str to 30 is a similar damage increase as going from unhasted to hasted.

Though the difference will be smaller for a higher-str character.
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>>149956181
I wonder if Chei UC statue/BH/Dragon form's HUGE base damage outdamages a normal melee dude's hasted melee.
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>>149956889
>reading tele while in melee range of a juggernaut
>with blink available
they hit for up to 120 damage nigga
get out of melee BEFORE reading tele
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>>149957330
They have 80 - 40 rather than 120 now. Pretty lame but still extremely dangerous.
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>>149957165
>>149957173

here is an example of an incredible ultra hihgg speedy 0.2 aut per swing
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>>149957173
I figure it would depend on the monster's AC.
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>>149939957
>When did /rlg/ devolve into this
>Aren't we supposed to get really angry at shitposts
Feels like the content contributors left and only wandering shitposters remain.

It's okay, /rlg/ can die. The tavern is less garbage than this, and that's saying something.
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>>149957676
haste and finesse don't stack though
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>>149957330
I'm afraid I'll blink to caustic shrike so I read the goddamn teleport scroll before casting random blink. There are 4 of them inside.
It's a really bad situation, I'm not even sure I'll survive if I randomly blink first.

Oh well, I'm too afraid to clear that vault so I leave it alone when I was clearing Depths:4.
I'm really not expecting a stair in Depths:5 will be connected to that vault again.

Maybe I should've used wand of digging to break the vault and then teleport away so the enemies will scatter around.

If I splat again as a DEFE, I'll just play a fucking MiBe or DDBe to relieve my stress.
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>>149958071

Nah it stacks. How else could you reach 0.2 without haste? Test it yourself
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>>149958360
I would like to recommend playing random combo of firstgod

I have been playing them and it's pretty fun

Sometimes you end up with high hp and a decent god

Sometimes you end up with a weak character that you have to step up and actually play
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>>149957330

>BEFORE reading tele

Or you could like, you know, kill it AND the caustic shrek with 2 firestorms after you blink out
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>>149955485
This is already going good I see.
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>>149958936
Nevermind
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>>149957935
Define "content contributors".
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Will ring of teleportation help me find the Minotaur faster in labyrinth ?
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>>149960095
No. Travel until you see stone walls, then stay in the stone walls until you see metal walls. The minotaur is in the metal area.
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>>149959740
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
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>>149960645
If "content" means "maymays", then we still have plenty of """"content" creators"""
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>>149960645
Here you go anon
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>>149959740
>>149961276
yo wait
hol up
why are some of my quotation marks orange, and some of them blue?
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>>149961276
>>149961351
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>>149961404
no but seriously what the fug is this sorcery?
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>>149961873
It's because you're waifu a shit.
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>>149961873

It's because you're an English Only Plebeian
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>>149961987
I haven't read a VN in years desu
I just like to read /evn/ once in awhile
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>>149962076
>/evn/
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>>149961873

your font and/or monitor resolution a shit

also,
>non turn-based games in tabs
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>>149961873
>Dragon Dildo General

Fuck off ponyposter!
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>>149962193
>or monitor resolution a shit
why the h*ck did that fix it?
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>>149958071
they do because you perform all actions faster due to haste and then finesse is what affects attack speed only
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>>149962452
>font too small for the pixels on your monitor
>truetype uses subpixels to represent quotation marks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering
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>>149962728
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>>149962802
>posting anime on a mongolian woodcarving forum
i don't speak that chinese shit, please post in american only
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>>149962861
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>>149962894
good
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Which relic upgrades are good in Demon? I'm using the crown and just hit level 5. I assume I'll die soon because I think I've been spending too many credits giving monsters extra skills
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help
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>>149964196
Ur dead kiddo.
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>>149964196
show ]

or is it [
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>>149963379
There aren't really any "bad" upgrades, all of them benefit you in some way. The upgrades you'd pick depend on how you want to play.

Enemy sense lets you approach encounters from good positions, avoid getting multiple encounters at once, or avoid encounters entirely and dive like mad. You can dive to see later floors if you haven't gotten very far in the game yet.

Nightingale pairs well with quick summon+quick dismiss since your dudes regenerate faster and swapping out dudes is instant.

Capacity up lets you carry around an additional demon which gives your party more variety and a spare meatshield.

Translator makes copying abilities to your player character half as expensive which is good for getting your dude set up quickly.

Some of the others are situational or tough to use well (like recycle, soul armor, revelation, transpose soul). Upgrades that reduce ability costs or give you more money or more shit are kinda boring but they don't require any foreknowledge in their use.
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>you fall through a shaft for three floors
>you hear a distant snort
Shit.

If I find some stairs up, will the branch timer still go down while I'm clearing the floors I missed?
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>>149964430
Yes.
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>>149964430
Absolutely.
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>>149964542
>>149964547
Fuck it, I think I can take on a labyrinth with what I have. Fault incoming
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>>149964642
If you're tabscum you probably have a haste and/or invisibility, might, and agility potion you could use to help you.
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>>149964713
I'm a magic focused character, but I had haste/brilliance/magic pots which you reminded me to use.

Didn't get much useful, apart from a bunch of rods. Might train evo up a bit for them. How good are iron rod -3, rod of ignition +0, and rod of lightning +4?
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>>149965213
First two are meh, last one is very good for early chars.

I'm glad you're not a filthy tabscum. Er, I mean, there's nothing wrong with being a tabber, plenty of my best friends are tabbers.
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>>149965213

What kind of spells do you have
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>>149965290
Thanks, I'll give it a try. How much evocations would be worthwhile for it?

>>149965337
Standard conjurer spells, plus mephitic cloud and conjure flame from the book of Clouds.
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>>149965648
I would say about 7 or so. Evocations are cheap and a lightning rod will stay killy for quite some time.
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>>149964430

You just had to jinx me huh
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>>149965881
makes u think huh
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>>149965987
Please stop with this.
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>>149966434
Not him, but that really stimulated my central nervous system.
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>>149965213
the + on a rod only affects its recharge rate

the capacity is the more important number

iron rod is good but you want it to have at least 12 charges so you can get off 2 shots
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>>149965648

I doubt you'll get into a situation where the minotaur can appear only 2 tiles away from you like I did so just pop your haste, cast iskenderun's battlesphere and hope for the best.
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>>149965875
>>149966871
Both of these are pretty awesome, but is there any way to mitigate the hunger cost? More skill levels?
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I am the topmodel! You're just an apprentice! (Also, first time I beat the quest with this role!)
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>>149967640
the hunger cost is decreased by evocations skill
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I miss the golden age of Elona+ and want to bring it back!
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>>149968879
Then post about it instead of whining you fucking weeb
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>>149969136
Don't you call me a fucking weeb you fat fuck.
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>>149945861
>A board consisting solely of generals means people can't make 0-effort meme threads
Yet somehow that's all /vg/ is.
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>>149931057
Welp, power cut out so when I reloaded the entire sprint regenerated. 2nd part with full weapon list coming up.
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>>149970607
So, what should I roll with my enormous amount of equipment? And should I switch gods at this point?
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>>149970725
Looks like a sex shop
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>>149937914
>I'd prefer nonhumanoid gods if people actually drew them.
Can't draw worth a shit, what kind of descriptions would you like? I feel like Oka and trog would be the two out of any of them to be humanoid.
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>>149970841
If only I could dual wield maces.
>double Undeadhunter
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Wasn't the range of its after-death explosion only 3x3/1 tile adjacent?
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>>149921757
It is only natural.
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>>149970725
>+8 GSC of speed
>+9 antimagic GSC
>+9 disto Dflail
Unless the unID'd GSC is better, i'd say keep those. Changing gods isn't as good as you'd think, there is nothing better than BiA in corridors
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>>149970853
Not that guy. Okawaru is an animated suit of armor with inhuman proportions. Much broader than a human could ever be.

Trog is a hobgoblin, also much bigger and broader and more muscular than a hobgoblin could ever be. He looks... feral, and he unhinges his jaw like a snake. His limbs seem to stretch like putty. He is wearing an animal hide, and punching everything. Sometimes two aspects of trog get into a fight while more look on.
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>>149971338
but oka is a senile grampa throwing random shit from the boxes in his attic at adventurers
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>>149971326
Got some more crap for ya to evaluate.
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>>149971439
He is a suit of armor; gifts are part of his essence.
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>>149971565
you'd think if he was a sentient suit of armor he'd figure out that NO, GRANDPA, I DON'T NEED A THIRD ROBE OF MISFORTUNE
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>>149971787
He is the embodiment of the concepts of armor, warcraft, protection, and heroism. He's giving you, a devout follower and proven hero, this piss-poor excuse for a piece of armor, so that others won't have the misfortune of coming across it.
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>>149971461
Vorpal GSC is great, yes, but speed is still undoubtly better. Maybe also keep the holy GC for demons and invisible shit
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>>149971787
>A wizened old man sits at the far end, reclining in full battle regalia. A table sits in front of him, full of figurines of all shapes and sizes, some threatening to topple at any moment. Scattered all around the table is an assortment of all kinds of weapons and armors, some flighting about on their own to witness the massive game on their own.
>He looks up from the wars of the time with a slight smirk, his graying beard curving upwards. His eyes betray his form, showing experience and warm intellect where there should be senility.
>His massive crest, crossed swords emblazoned across a round table, flaps quietly even without wind
>"Hey sonny there sonny. Say, you're a knight right? Well a knight needs good equipment before he embarks. Here, take this." as he grabs something from the floor at random and throws it towards you
>"Good luck out there, do me honorably."


>You don't have the heart to tell him you don't have 3 arms for his shield
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>>149972213
Is the Dark Maul better than that? Cause trog just dropped it for me.
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epic
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>>149973072
Gee i dunno, do GSC have 52 base damage?
Anyway the dark maul is FUN, and now you also have a reason for switching to okawaru: reaching 1.0 delay with it
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>>149971787
Maybe he's senile so he's forgotten both his real body and what others with bodies need. Maybe he doesn't even realize he's just armour now.
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>>149973812
GSC of speed with a wand of hasting (and 10 recharge scrolls) gives me 22 base damage every .3 turns though.
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>>149972620
kek
we need
more of these
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>>149974050
But you can go oka, dump some exp into charms and spellcasting to have haste reliably castable, and then apply finesse to have 52 base damage at 4 auts
Don't you like fun?
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>>149974657
Too late anyways. Damn Orbs of Fire.
>>149974370
Which god.
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always acquire armor™
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is there a way to play dcss webtiles offline on my phone?
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>>149975116
>-5 str
I good luck wearing that, but stil DAYUM
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>>149974657

GSC of speed + haste + finesse can go to 0.1 aut per attack right?
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>>149975439
I think .2 or .3 is the best you can get, but i'm too lazy to wizmode it
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>>149971461
2 Undeadhunters?
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>>149975731
Power went out about 12 hours ago while I was in the middle of the run so the entire level respawned but I kept all my crap. So I decided to buy another Undeadhunter just because.
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>>149975439
Haste and Finesse don't stack for weapon speed, and I think there's a hardcap at 0.2 aut.
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>>149975720
>>149976160

Who the hell spread the "Haste and Finesse cannot stack" meme and how did you people fell for it?
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Xom is the only thing that keeps me playing crawl
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>>149976505
well they sure as hell didn't stack like a year ago
max weapon speed was capped at 0.3 or something.
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>>149934847
wow
pot 1v1 more pussy
wtf
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>>149974930
Do Makhleb please. He's my homey for life
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>>149972620
>The Arena roars
>Gladiators of all sorts and sizes battle in their corners
>A spectacular scene sends the lord of the arena into a fit of earth quaking laughter as a moon troll is beset by a horde of jellies
>Voices erupt from a crowd that is not there
>"BLOOD, DEATH, VIOLENCE"
>Judgement is swift
>The Lord of the Arena stands, his cloven feet clattering a deadly silence
>His iron chest bulges, every alien muscle perfectly defined, broad as a mountain
>His 4 scaled arms each carry a different weapon, dribbling blood into a small pool in the sand below
>A crimson spiked club in his lower left
>An ichor-stained spear in his lower right
>A vermilion claymore in is upper left
>And a terrible, sanguine greataxe in his upper right
>The troll was still battling for his life as all other combat stopped
>His head had no features save for a stark white mane of hair but all knew his judgement
>The axe flew through the air in front of him, creating such a flash as all who looked upon it were blinded, to share in his unseeing anger for eternity
>It didn't touch the troll, merely its shadow had, but that was enough.
>Its head flew high into the air as gore sprayed from the stump, burning all slimes around it
>And like that he sat back down to continue watching
>Another filled the troll's place, as they always did

>You best your own foe, in your small part of the Arena of the world
>As you club his head back into his body the corpse immediately sets ablaze, a steely whip crackling with lightning
>You scarcely let your thanks escape your lips as you grab it and move on
>Always another foe

>Thankfully, you sigh, your sword and shield are strong as electricity arcs out of the lava pool
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>>149938474

Sauce for this urethra barista?
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>>149976505
They don't stack.
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>>149938724
>tfw no /rlg/ anon smooth tummy to rub and tickle and tease
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>>149978493
do Qazlal!
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>>149978493
That's great writing anon, but i can't tell if that's supposed to be Mahkleb or Trog
The last few sentences, especially, have their meaning lost on me
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>>149976160
>>149975720
Hard cap is around 0.2 and 0.25, cant go below that

>>149976505
Haste and finesse dont stack, finesse overrides haste for the weapon aut only
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>>149979069

They do. Use your GSC of speed to see it clearly and set your skills 27.
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>>149979608

>Haste and finesse dont stack, finesse overrides haste for the weapon aut onl

Found the dank memer.
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>>149978383
>The stench of sulfur oozes throughout the place
>Hooded figures scurry to and fro, carrying tomes and sacrifices
>In the center a great pit lays, chattering with teeth all the way to the bottom of the maw
>The acolytes all scramble, etching arcane markings and pentagrams into each inch of the walls around the shaft
>Yelling echos through the place as a naked man is dragged in by two horned demonspawn
>He struggles to break free as he sees the eyes within the pit stare at him and the mouths gnash even more furiously
>He prays for mercy to every god he knows to spare him his fate
>Gravity takes him to the very bottom, bones snapping and flesh tearing is nearly heard above the screaming
>A flame erupts from the floor in front of the great maw
>For a brief moment, he is seen shifting yet stagnant with all of Him bare and flayed, a collection of living corpses piling ever higher, a sentient cancer
>6 massive legs carry his form, above them rests a massive, bloated collection of guts and organs all still pulsing as though they were still alive
>great amounts of entrails hang low, scraping the floor with each step of his lizen gait
>a humanoid torso sprouts out of both ends, both twisted, one swollen to burst with the other impossibly thin
>the distended rises up to hold a collection of dripping tongues where arms should be and a great worm where should lay the head
>the frail calls 2 claws its arms, not unlike those of a mantis, and has a cone-shaped head, ending out with a single hole where a proboscis can be seen flittering
>while many eyes of all varieties are upon the Beast, one constant black eye remains upon that head, staring like the Abyss
>As quickly as it has came, the vision is gone, and a meaty hell beast comes tumbling out of the flame
>Another servant to the Destroyer

>The destroyers servants are fickle, you remind yourself, as the feeling of teleportation brings you away from the aggressive hell beast bearing down upon you
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>>149979953
is this all the same anon? you are amazing. saving all these by the way. thank you.
do gozag that jew god fuck
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>>149980327
Sheild bye fare
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>>149980449
Sorry I only take advice from sober people.
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>>149979801
?
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>>149980327

The only power debates in terms of melee damage are Two Hand vs. Dual Wield (Dual wielding with 4 hands or more). Shields have no place in it.
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>>149980552
Never mind I'll just roleplay as a shield knight and pretend I never read this comment.
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>>149949708
Not only that, but different devs have different abilities. Can't expect modders to be good at coding. (piss might be, do not know)

>>149980327
https://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/4q33se/dual_wield_or_2h/?st=iqb3yag5&sh=52e0aa18
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>>149980327
tweohand only lets you wield one weapon so its bad
either use shields or dual wield
you get more bodyparts later in the game from gavela anyhow.
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>>149980785
>reddit
lol
>>149980529
kek
>>149980703
>rping
LOL
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>>149980986
>elona
>not rping
Ugh, like, HeLLU?
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>>149980552
shields do have a place in it especially if you use martial arts
also none of these decisions really matter if you're not finishing act 2.
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>>149980986
Get lost die hard troll. Next time, at least be funny.
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got tired of vanilla nethack
what do i play?
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>You see everything from up here
>Flying high above the earth beautiful blue skies and white clouds greet you as far as the horizon
>Nothing so much as a rain cloud from your position
>Until you glance below
>A vicious storm tears away at terrestrial plane
>A massive, swirling hurricane striking at the surface with bolts of lightning, ripping massive chunks of landscape away from their homes in gargantuan tornadoes
>The earth does not sit and take it though
>Massive fissures spring up, cracking the crust as though a pane of glass with a hammer taken to it
>Fracturing apart, consuming entire forests into the ever widening void beneath, dark as night
>Until the Fire
>Massive gouts of fire erupt from the cracks, spewing molten rock well above your original field of view
>Cataclysmic parts of rock come crashing back down into all that maelstrom, igniting half of the once frozen storm
>The conflagration destroys all it passes over, entire cities wiped from existence in a blink
>You think of how lucky you are in your idyllic peace before a scream echos up to your haven
>Not unlike the earthquake before, yet more icy, as though it came cold and frozen
>One final volcano erupts in the ocean behind you, and out pops the most massive shrapnel you've seen yet
>Then he unfurls
>Mighty wings of Ice and Fire uncover the stone beast
>Its body is jet black and serpent like, seemingly endless as it slowly turns into white light as though a shooting star
>Its head, though, is aquatic
>2 dead, diamond eyes sparkle through the storm surrounding it, with 3 long feelers of current arcing throughout the air surrounding its face
>its maw opens, and, for a moment, there is peace, the same blue skies and white clouds are there
>then sound of the earth cracking in two resonates through your very soul
>It shoots through the eye of the hurricane, then takes the storm with it as a shroud
>peace at last

>Not a moments respite, you think, and your storm attracts the whole damn dungeon
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>>149981306
I could of not cared less. I am sorry to be the baron of bad news, but you seem buttered, so allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false mortality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-madonnas, but you seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. so I ask you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything but the kids Nysnc, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back to into reality, because it's now like the pot calling the kettle cracked. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Irregardless, make my words, when you get down you brass stacks it doesn't take a rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts, instead of baking a half bread effort. You might have to come to this conclusion though denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it's a peach of cake. Except the fax. Irregardlessly, I guess it was inevadible....
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>>149980093
Yeah, still me. Testing out the character limits right about now.

Did someone request gozag? I can try, but he's gonna be a bit harder since, ya know, a more abstract concept such as wealth.
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>>149981647
Then try Fedhas
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>>149981782
Naw dog, challenge is half the fun.

Imma try and avoid dragon since it seems too obvious but not as fun as storm serpent like qazzie.
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>>149981647
Gozag is literally le happy merchant.
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>>149981151

How do MAs work? Last time I heard it had a buff which makes it possible to proc multiple attacks but nobody could make it work. Does it have potential to rival 2H or Dual Wield?
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>>149980785

>Kai

So that's why that thread in /jp/ reeks of reddit
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>>149982241
i dont remember the multiple proc thing, my last char that did MA used to proc quite regularly though, dunno if it was from equipment or not

and yes it is a potential rival for 2h/dual especially if youre going to play a looooong while
at start its strictly worse though.
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>gastronok appears on D:10
>spam my throbbing rods down his throat
>hallway mostly blocked off by mobs
>have bad eyesight mut
>finally kill him, taking 1/3rd of my health as damage because lol airstrike
>suddenly, snorg appears 3 tiles away from me
>he one-shots all my summons, they don't even slow him down while I run away
>over 50 damage in a single turn
>I'm not even slowed or anything
Nice game dcsstards
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>>149982942

>dunno if it was from equipment

It should. It's from a Tonfa/Shield with an aux attack I bet. Shields often get that trait.

So if it's still not fixed then MA has no way of catching up to 2H or Dual Wield. That 8 hits (which could proc aux attacks that can crit each) per attack seems to be its only hope to compete
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>The trove is alluring, glittering with lights
>All that glitters is gold as they say
>You give it what it wants, what it craves
>After all, gotta spend to make
>A massive wonderland of treasure fills your eyes
>Gold and jewels stacked to the ceiling
>Entire suits made of emeralds
>Plate armors of opals and diamonds
>Dragon scale of every color imaginable
>Weapons sticking from the ground, neatly arranged by size and type
>Encrusted clubs larger than yourself hang from the roof, reflecting the light in a multitude of colors
>Deep reds and blues clashed by soft greens and yellows and purples
>The lights reveal even more artefacts
>An entire library's worth of books lining the wall with scrolls jammed up and down the entire way
>Clothing and jewelry lain in a seemingly endless closet
>A dining room that could hold a nation, with every plate stacked high as though to feed 5 men
>Every step is a new high of opulence and splendor
>As the final door opens you see a simple room, furnished with wood as though a hunters cabin
>With a strange figure sitting in front of a machine feeding out lines of paper
>The first thing you notice are the talons
>Gold plated and covered with cuffs and watches
>Gripping the cushioned perch with casual grace, yet sharp enough to tear through any of the armor you've just seen
>You can't quite tell where the legs begin or end, only that his body is covered in what appears to be a soft down of sunflower yellow feathers, trapping the light within like a loose coin
>Two arms jut out from the bird-like body, hard scale lightly covered by the same fur as the body, his taloned claws clasped together as though celebrating success
>When finally turns to you his head finally comes to form, very much like an elephant's!
>Twin, gold tipped tusks of ebony and ivory bulge from his face along with a large trunk
>"Finally to make a return on your investment I see. What can I get you into today?"

>"What cheap-ass god wants a damn service fee for signing up!"
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>>149983646
I understood that MA was stronger than 2h and dual wield at very high levels 1000+
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>>149983890
that it can be
it doesn't even lag much behind them at ~200 because of pierce
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>>149983839
well done. xom?
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>>149984593
I'll give it a shot. 2000 character limit is kinda fucking me here but eh, brevity is the soul of wit.

How to distinguish the fucker from Lugnut though?
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With a randart quick blade +9 {pierce} for sale on D:4 for 800g, I'm basically forced to switch to training short blades, aren't I?
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>>149984749

Lugonu sends people to the cuckshed while Xom sends people to the cemetery while laughing
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>>149984845
What are its other properties?
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>>149984845
QB min delay is easy to get with a good apt. I would do it unless you're -2 or lower.
You can also use that well with 0 skill.
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>>149984845
if you arent a small race, or going for a mage build, then no.
even quickblade becomes shit when you're a few levels into U/V, also thats like the worst brand a lblade can have
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>>149984749
just make it in notepad and then copy paste into two pist f you have to
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>>149985120
MR-, Int+5.
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>>149984845
Aslong as your handicap for training it isnt below -1 or -2, youre good
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>>149984845
>>149985334

I'd just buy the blade and raise the skill to like 4 /6 and keep it there to not waste exp on a shit weapon
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Quick blade guy here, I just found a +7 {flame} great mace in the sewer. Would that be a more worthwhile investment?
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>>149985660
easily
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Fucking Yiuf out and walking in D in trunk. This isn't supposed to happen, is it? I haven't opened any rune doors, or even seen them.
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am i ready for v:$ or should i do elf:3? my weapon's pretty shit but i've got some nice rods and can buy a disc of storms. i never splatted in v:$ until my last run so now i'm scared

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/audkyrie/audkyrie.txt
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>>149985832

You easily can if you make enough noise to make him go out and walk around.
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>>149983264
I just don't understand it. /rlg/ used to be a place of learning. A place where people would post their splat, and /rlg/ would chorus "You are fault, you are fault, you are most grievous fault." And the petitioner would embrace their fault. And the petitioner would learn from their fault, and grow stronger. Better.

I remember watching Bastard grow. From his first fault to his first ascension, embracing every death and learning just enough to get a bit farther each time. It was nothing out of the ordinary. Anyone can ascend a berserker. But that growth? That increase in knowledge and skill? It might not be out of the ordinary, but it's still special.

Look at us now. Grown tired of playing games, we're overtaken by shitposts. People bitch about DCSS, and shit players take that as gospel. We have people saying unseen horrors are impossible to fight, we have people running away from berserked enemies and being surprised when they're overtaken. "It was unfair," they complain. "How could I have known," they say. They just lack the perspective. You are always fault. Even when you die to that one-in-a-million chance... well when you risk it enough times it's eventually inevitable.

And not having your shit identified by D:10 and refusing to just read tele or quaff haste (or any number of options) while you continue to run from an enemy that is catching up to you sure as shit isn't one-in-a-million.
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>In the beginning, before space, before time, before all reality as we know it, there was a void
>In the first instant of being all the known worlds and those beyond filled with immense storms
>Uncontrollable maelstroms of primordial energy writhing and seething in new directions and ways with every moment
>The first concepts arose, and thus the first gods to patron them
>Twin brothers of Chaos and Order born from that infinite void
>But there is always an eldest twin, and the blink of a god's Eye is a lifetime to us
>Xom was that eldest
>He ruled with ultimate power
>Unfettered by any rules, His omnipotence was to be used in any way he desired
>And he made some lights
>And he was bored
>BORED
>Until his twin came about
>His brother stole as much energy as possible, to create new siblings, to make new worlds and rules
>He set up the cosmic balance that would eventually create all reality
>Xom could have stopped him, but change was interesting
>Rules were new
>He could break rules, make mockeries
>Have fun
>He could make new siblings as well
>Have them oppose some of the tyrannical status quo
>Occasionally lend his own hand
>His power, though limited now, was still much more massive than all that was
>So he decided upon a form
>One that the mortals associated with his attitude
>A child
>A head much to large for his wrinkled body
>Long, fat limbs plump with bread and circuses ending with knarled nails from lack of care
>A mask to hide is face, like all good games require
>He has no legs, the storms of chaos still fuel beneath him
>Never staying quite the same, sometimes more childish and funny, sometimes more harsh and cruel
>So he sits, toying with all things, mortals and gods alike, giving everything the fun conflict he wants to see
>Playing with emotions, hopes, dreams, fate itself
>The universe is promised to chaos, the game is already won and he isn't even a player
>But boasting only ruins other's fun


>You are cast into the Abyss
>Xom laughs uproariously
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sometimes xom is just a tad too cruel
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>>149987880
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>>149987880
if you can give us your player name and ill post it to the tavern for your recognition if you wont do it. i am sure everyone there would appeeciate these
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>>149987880
>The universe is promised to chaos, the game is already won and he isn't even a player
>But boasting only ruins other's fun
Fucking hell that's clever
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>>149988840
Skagwatcher on CAO webtiles if ya really care.
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>>149987658
Go be retarded somewhere else. I'm sure >>>/mlp/ will take you.
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>>149987658
Please shut up and play some roguelikes.
/rlg/ is fine and if you were paying attention instead of metaposting about the long lost past you would have noticed that plenty of advice has been doled out in the last 50 or so posts.
Don't project your weariness onto others, faggot. We get plenty of new players and returning posters.
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>>149989497
its pretty damn good work dude! if anything do one for each god when you get bored a-z. im saving them for ya under godname-skag fantext.
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>>149989928
If you think they're good enough then sure. I'd prefer someone to pick a god for me rather than just move down the list.
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>>149990039

How about Vehumet?
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>You see here the +5 triple sword of Disgust [speed, Dex+7]
I really wish i wasn't an ogre right now
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>crawl
>unequip + drop shitty randart robe
>suddenly crash
>mfw have to restart Depths 1 again
>maybe I'll get different artifact this time

nope, it's all the same shit
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>>149990175
and then ash or jivya
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>There is something to be said about the beauty of explosions
>A carefully planned detonation is a work of art
>Shrapnel piercing every bit in just the right place
>Flames barely licking friends while roasting foes
>To orchestrate such a symphony of sounds and light requires an artist's touch
>Iskenderun was such an artist
>Painting the field of battle with dazzling lights and sprays of blood
>Every spell a painting
>Every word a poem
>Every victim a tribute
>He was the pioneer of a new field
>Weaving a magnificent dance whenever he took the field
>Tapping into the rawest emotions and the rawest magical energy
>When Iskenderun carved his runes into the rock walls of his home, allowing his disciples one glance before caving the entire site in upon himself as one last piece, he bore a new god into existence
>Vehumet is not just a god of artistry nor a god of mindless slaughter but a resplendent amalgam of the best of both
>His 5 multicolored eyes are those of a painter
>His peacock feathered wings not merely for mesmerization but each color a new spell in the making, plucked to gift his followers with inspiration
>His 8 insectile legs carrying him like a dancer, weaving through battle and towards victims alike
>He is both the muse and the student, forever chasing perfection
>But no matter the future, he shall compose each piece like it his last
>And the runes of Iskenderun look truly alive when written with the dead


>Fuck that shit, I got my library card
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>>149992579
MEME-LEX
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>>149992579
Sorry, had to get one without the shitty fucking 9fag watermark.
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>>149992942
I'M SORRY
Also it was ifunny, not that they aren't the same cancer.
So, who next?
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>>149993094
nemelex !
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So how about them new Elona+ feats? Is any one of uncontrolled power, magic eye, or strings assassin worth taking over the standard hypnotism/dimensional move/natural leader?
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>>149990480
I'd use that over GSC if i found it before L
>>149992101
levels are generated when you enter them
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whats the best way to deal with these faggot caustic shrikes
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>>149988271
>getting all of the benefits of trog and ash for free

Xom is OP.
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>>149994374
What are you playing?
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>>149994612
Ogre of Xom basic meleedude
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I find it very annoying that you can get in situations where you know you can't survive. Oh well, i basically finished it anyway
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how do i fucking play a earth elementalist or any caster in dcss in early game?

>be gargoyle earth elementalist
>have sandblast which is best starter spell according to wiki
>when trying to kill giant geckos it either misses, tickles them or miscasts
>only 3 tries because 3 mana because lol early game
>if fails 3 times, you are dead because lol early game, no means for escape
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>>149989876
Go be shit somewhere else. There are plenty of genres out there that will hold your hand.
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>>149994374
Shrikes are exactly the same as killer bees, so you deal with them the same way (except by that stage of the game you probably just have evokables that can kill anything).
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>>149994789
You need to hit them harder and more often son.
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>>149995043
>be too stupid to read the spell description, which notes that you need rocks to fuel the spell
>be too stupid to understand that a gargoyle is a capable melee fighter regardless of background

Maybe you should play an easier game.
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>>149995043

Then you should play Deep Elves because you're still a shitter. Your tabrace lolgargoyles meme magic doesn't apply to casters.
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>>149995348
good advice™
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>>149993363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTuT41R9hI&index=21&list=PLA2EB9D1C236F6274
jetsetradio.live
Sorry about the extra time. Was playing around with the idea of a rhyme scheme but I couldn't do that shit.
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>>149995669
hey man rlg is a slowmover And we rarely actually die before the end, unlike the actual players games ho
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>>149995404
im describing my experience when using rocks to fuel it

if capable melee fighting equals not being able to hurt geckos in melee then you have nice standards mate
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>The house doesn't always win
>The odds are stacked in their favor but they're just that, odds
>Its all a game of chance
>And while you can always lose you can also always win
>But depending on just what you bet you might want to try to stack the deck in your favor
>Enter Nemelex Xobeh
>The fastest hands in all of Pandemonium
>All 200 of them
>There's not a game he doesn't know
>Not a game he can't cheat at either
>Not that it means he always does
>Best gambler keeps the house on its toes
>Sometimes you have to sandbag a bit
>Make them think you aren't robbing them blind
>Other times you are the house
>And you have to try to keep everyone else playing fair
>A hundred eyes helps with that
>And even the best poker face can falter when they feel a coil slide past them
>Making sure they know its your house
>But sometimes
>Just sometimes
>They win
>Win big too
>Absolute skill
>Fast legs
>Or dumb luck
>They win the ability to change their fate as needed
>Of course they can't do it all the time
>Gotta play it smart before the House cuts you off
>But the heart of the cards is never too far away
>When you got a man across the room feeding you signs
>Letting you know when its safe to go all-in
>And worst comes to worst
>You can always wait for the heat to die in Goulbria's Roulette
>Best casino there is
>Somebody will always deal you in there


>Oh hey, Symbol of Torment
>Real nice in the crypt
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>>149996070
>be a level 1 gargoyle earth elementalist
>pick up a +0 short sword that's laying on the ground
>use it with 0 skill against geckos
>realize that they are just a yellower form of newt

I bet you try to play redguards as pure casters in Skyrim, too.
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>>149996070

Just wield a fucking weapon holy shit, literally any weapon
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>>149996070
play as a GrGl and pick up magic later, early game casting is shit
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>>149997530
>being afraid of geckos
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>>149998550
Ah!
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>>149984845
randart qb is worse than ego because you can't rebrand to elec

it's only 6 skill, but it'll fall off when enemies get more unless you're using hexes
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>>149996868
BEOGH
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>>149986458
high stealth characters are usually advised to do abyss rather than the V5 gangbang
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>>150000832
i won that character by now, didn't really have any troubles with V5. supercharged iron rod took care of the vault wardens and from there i could just stairdance while firing cloud rod twice too, and inacc for titans

only went to the abyss once and even as Gr^TSO still had issues with being able to heal and the insane amount of transient muts and just ran away after the 2nd floor, any tips for dealing with abyss?
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>>150001180
>just ran away
do this, but you're a tiny sneaky kobold instead of a giant loud glowing ogre
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>>149995043
>run out of mana
>"oh no, this speed 10 enemy is firing powerful mind control rays at me and forcing me to hold down tab!"

geckos are even more op than unseen horrors
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I am wondering, which is better for a ziggurat:
>Troll with Shadow Form (Dithmenos), robe of Vines and Vitality Amulet
>Demonspawn with Robe of Night, Darkness and Nightstalker
The former is a huge-ass tank with 400HP and 50% damage reduction, the latter has literally only a max of 24 opponents at a time ALWAYS, and if facing a wall it's not even 20 enemies.
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>>150001881
shadowform also reduces outgoing damage. good for running away from shit but it won't help with clearing a zig

also robe of vines a shit. 2.8hp per turn is good when you can run in circles around a pillar with a single enemy chasing you. when you're in a zig there is nowhere to run or pillardance and there are enough enemies hitting you that extra AC is worth way more than regen
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>>150002108
Shadow form doesn't reduce Disc of Storms damage though, so you have both DPS AND durability when you reach a Ziggurat.
Robe of Vines looks insanely good combined with 50% damage reduction and other pips of regen like Troll's ones and amulet of vitality (not to mention the huge HP bar which gives even more passive regen).
However, maybe you are right, a demonspawn would get way less damage even with lower HP given the few opoonents he faces at a time.
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>>150001803
One time I ran out of nets so I had to run away from a gecko, but it was adjacent to me so it kept following me up the stairs. I ended up retreating to the surface, but I count that as a win because IMO that character had the potential to get the orb.
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>>150002329
2.8 hp/turn is the equivalent of 5.6 extra AC against a SINGLE target hitting you

if you're surrounded by 8 guys with nowhere to pillardance while waiting for regen, it's shit
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>>150002805
Maybe Troll Leather armor would be more effective then, since it gives the Spell-less troll More regen and even more pseudo-HP, not to mention actually some AC as you pointed out.
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After years of giving up on praying to faded altars I finally found a Temple with not one but TWO Slime Altars as a TrMu and got to experience how Purgy was formed firsthand. What a shit deity.
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>Beogh is a god of darkness, though he may not admit it
>His name all but lost the outside world, only the weak bunch of cave orcs still worship him
>The cave orcs, as cruel and bloodthirsty as they may be, still hope
>They hope that, one day, Beogh will send down a savior
>The messiah shall come down and lead the cave orcs from bondage to supremacy
>And they await this day
>Not a single day is wasted, they mine the small gold veins, buying weapons and armor
>They gather in their forts chanting prayers to Beogh, carving out statues of his appearance
>All of them are decidedly orcish though there is variance
>Some imagine him with massive tusks and twin axes, goring all that come near
>Some see him a colossal knight, holding one giant executioner's axe, finishing his enemies in one fell blow
>Other see him and thinner, smaller, but more conniving and vicious than thought possible, using vast reserves of magic to summon terrible demons and massive swathes of flame to his aid
>In a way, they are all right
>Beogh is a representation of the orcs
>And when he sends is son down, in whatever form he may take
>Be it the common Hill Orcs, a clean knight smiting down foes with bursts of heavenly lightning leading the rabble along
>Or the mythical Lava Orcs, burning berserkers igniting all in their way with their rage
>The crusade this Messiah leads will be unstoppable
>All lesser races will bow to the orcs
>All non-believers brought to the church or to the sword
>The surface world shall drown in their own blood and the sun with it
>The cave orcs shall rule with storm and fury
>And Beogh will care not that the world descends in the murderous barbarism
>He is a god of darkness, snuffing creation's light is his one purpose
>And let none tell you otherwise

>Oh its just an orc, whats the worst that could happ
>You see a(n) Orc Priest x3
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>>150003397
DITHMENOS???
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>>150003846
You sure you want dith?
Its gonna be muh last for a while since I'm gonna work out and then probably nap since I got 2 hours of sleep last night.
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>>150003048
if it's a spell-less troll why the h*ck isn't it wearing a good dragon armor
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>>150003959
Have you tried killing yourself instead? It would surely improve the world's average IQ by 20 points and its average productivity in manhour per hour by a factor of 4. Moreover, it would improve worldwide happiness by a significant amount.
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>>150002805
>if you're surrounded by 8 guys
You're shit.
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>>150004935
Define significant amount.

Exactly how much happiness would me taking a flying leap bring to the world? I want numbers here.
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>>150005097
According to research, about 3.5.
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>>150005223
I don't see any units there boyo.
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>>150005083
in a fucking ziggurat?
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>>150005272
As much as if each person won about $3.50
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>>150005425
Hmm. I don't know. I don't think $3.50 a head is worth it. Get back to me when its about $4.20, the we can talk.
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>>150005371
I don't understand. /rlg/ used to be a place where people embraced their deaths. You faulted and you became better and more skilled because of it. Instead you keep bitching like a child and nobody calls you out on it. /rlg/ clearly has fallen.
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>>150004935
fuck off you colloidial fagnoid
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>>150005765
what
i haven't posted about any deaths

i'm just telling anon that his plan to wear robe of vines in a ziggurat is stupid
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>>150005765
Dogg you probably think you make sense or aren't retarded but it's time to face reality. There's probably a welfare check in there somewhere for you to collect, so get to it.
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>>150006103
Stop getting encircled then. Just blink away. Hell, just use your wand of digging. Learn from your mistake and read a teleport scroll next time.
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>>150005765
they're talking about what would theoretically be more optimal for a ziggurat, no one here is complaining about dying or even talking about a current run
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Times like this is when slouch seems too good.
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>A pale imitation
>A false image
>A shadow of the truth
>The very iconography of Dithmenos reveals his intentions
>As well as his flaws
>Truthfully, he does not have a form
>At least one that has ever been witnessed
>The only accounts of his appearance tend to vary but there are always a few key points
>He uses shadowed hands with three sharp fingers to reach out towards his foes
>Any of his parts of being always contain a single point of light, like a dim star in the night sky
>All other light isn't blocked by him, but devoured outright, any that gets around is distorted
>They also say he has an odd aura about him, that there is a feeling of uncertainty and when he appears one is suddenly thrown off balance
>He desires the death of all light
>To drench the world in eternal darkness and let shadow rule the land and have peaceful night for eternity
>But his task is impossible and not for any philosophical reasons
>He does not have the power to break the laws of the universe, and remove light
>He gather it all somewhere, place it somewhere that nobody would find it but it would never be gone
>There will always be light to cast shadow rather than the darkness he desires
>And he can blacken the very sun
>Shroud the world in night
>But he will always be tortured by the crow's call
>As it flocks to the place where his influence can never touch

>The 12-Headed Hydra comes into view
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>>150006263
Just stop crying already. It's alright. You'll get better with more practice. Learn from your mistake and move on. You won't be in that situation next time.
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>>150006258
>Wand of digging
>In a ziggurat
Anon do you even know what a fucking ziggurat is? they were talking purely about theorycrafting on Zigg clears, there's not even a death to begin with.

Before talking out of your ass, think.
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>>150006384
>tfw no killholezig where only 1 enemy is in LOS at a time but they're all oofs and panlords
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>>150006258
>just use your wand of digging
>in a zig
>>150006524
Forgot image.
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>>150006368
Free xp. One slouch and only 2 left.
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>>150006623
>>>>>>>>osx
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>>150006623
>formicid
>d:10
>longsword
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>>150007089
b-but it's +1 anon
the only greatsword i found was +0
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>>150006602
>>150006508
>>150006384
I'm just listing the escape options you have. It's fine if you're new to the game, just play more and you'll get better. You should try to not get encircled by 8 people instead of crying, though.
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I haven't been playing roguelikes since Poschenband came out. Is there a ~brand new~ RL, or should I just see what's been updated?
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>>150006623
>>150006885

Ewwwww
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>>150008036
Ok, you clearly have brain damage, so i'll explain it the easiest way possible.
Ziggurats are OPTIONAL. If i want to clear a Ziggurat, i have to come prepared. If i want to clear a floor of a ziggurat, it's FUCKING INEVITABLE to be surrounded by enemies. Sure, i COULD escape, but if my intention was to survive i wouldn't have tried Ziggs in the first place.
Also no one is fucking dead yet, we were talking about the most optimal build for that specific character, jesus.
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>>150008120
>Dragon fin soup
>Cogmind
>Vanilla Bagel
Honestly, check out the newer PCB/DCSS/whatever other roguelikes you liked and maybe the newer releases if you're open minded.
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>>150008120
Just play dcss like everyone here and then bitch about being shit and faulting every 5 seconds.
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>>150008296
>Just play dcss
I'm looking to have fun.
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>>150008280
Honestly, you don't need TOO much to clear the first zig. Enter with tornado/haste/regen and you'll have a second level 9 up by the time you're deep. Tornado/Shatter does serious work, especially if you have channeling. Song of slaying is also really great to have if you have to melee some stuff on the floors (like DEFE ghosts).
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>>150008280
You're pathetic. You're the reason /rlg/ is dead and full of faultmasters. You're what happens when you let people blame everything but themselves for their own mistakes.
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>>150008425
In that case play Elona+ version 1.60.1 (custom) [wild arms music pack] {monster girl and /rlg/ superior item texture packs}
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>>150013506
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>>150013506
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>>150013608
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>>150013506
more of an auroch really
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>>150013608
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>>150014148
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>Dissolution can be bribed but bringing him over to a place that can be bribed without messing around in wizmode would be too dangerous.
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>4 months ago
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>>150014148
>>150014421
someone post the felid summoner pic, I need some encouragement
I was playing some pure summoning FeSu recently but it's pretty hard
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>>149987658
retard
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>tfw splatting most succesful caster on DCSS yet because pressed battlesphere instead of orb of destruction

just fuck my shit up senpai
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>>150019235
lemme guess, you had 0 fighting skill
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>>150019235
i had like 3 because i was busy training staves to min delay. i am pretty new to DCSS too so did i fuck up by not training fighting? it was a unique efreet who splatted me too
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>>150019345
>>150019610
meant to reply to this
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>>150019610

>splatting on azrael

Ahahahaha where's your rf+ lil nigga
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>>150019610
You don't need to worry too much about mindelay if you're a caster, especially that early. Fighting boosts HP a bit with each level so it's really good to get. HP protects against everything.
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>>150019895
no rf found despite multiple shops with rings
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>>150020376
Just get better at the game already and stop faulting.
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>>150019895
>Azrael, Djinn of Hellfire bursts
>rF
>Hell fi- I mean Damnation
>rF
>3d20 damnation
>rF
Naga, what?
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>>150019610
always get at least 6 fighting
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>>150022868

>Hellfire is the only ability Azrael has and he uses it every turn

What's it feel like to have never played DCSS? I bet it feels good and I envy you
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>>150023459
I'm a genuine goodplayer™ though. The biggest danger is the hellfire, although he really should have quaffed resist if he didn't. I was being somewhat facetious.
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>>150023762

I was also about 50% taking the piss. This guy still made a pretty mibe move by dying to a fire themed unique with no rF+ while almost certainly having available avenues of escape.
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how can death be fault if everything is predetermined by causality
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>>150024924
you wot
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>>150024924
who is this spunk hunk
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>>150027338
my dad but everyone calls him daddy
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>>150027626
I bet that man enjoys listening to Santana's Smooth featuring Rob Thomas, sipping on Coronas and talking to other dads about proper lawn maintenance and how to grill a perfect medium well steak.
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>Make it to Dlvl 13 of Infra only to get pinned by two invisible untargetable Reapers in a hallway
Undead are assholes.
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>tfw all you want is to cast spells at people but the game wants you to smack dudes in the face
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>>150028418
A good player would've cropped out the slaying leather, Yoink-san.
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>>150028418
but also
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>>150028418
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>>150028415
>being this bad at the game
Just give up already. First an unseen horror then reapers. You're too dumb for this, you don't even learn from your mistakes. We told you about hallways and still you fault. In fact, that can't be a fault. It's too retarded for that. Let's call it a Fault. Note the capital F. It denotes the fact you're Fucktarded.
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Yo, Haste+ Finesse guy. You're wrong. The reason you THINK they're stacking is that finesse uses OLD haste and is thus more effective than haste. Haste will make everything else faster, but finesse takes priority for melee. I wizmod'd it too with a weapon of speed. You'd sometimes dip under half delay (.1 for a .4 delay weapon), but that is more due to random energy, or perhaps some estoric mechanic that has to do with attack speed.

>>150028418
>>150029052
>>150029274
You know that you can do both, right? Getting whips to a good delay is cheap as hell. You always want a fallback option, especially as a low MP GREEEEEE
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>>150030092
>Haste will make everything else faster, but finesse takes priority for melee.
Retard, that is exactly why they stack. Let's call you Retard. Note the capital R. It denoted the fact you're Retarded.
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>>150030284
hastefinesse melee is no faster than finesse melee
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>>150030284
Saying they stack is misleading though, because everyone thinks that you mean that having both haste AND finesse results in melee attacks that are FASTER than just finesse. They both take effect at once, but they don't "stack" per se.
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lol
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>>150028418
>>150029052
>>150029274
>>150032381
>babbys first slaying character
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>>150029765
Don't bully the poor lad.
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>>150032381
By the way, throwing stones and other ranged stuff is super fucking broken if you have a ton of slaying.
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>>150032867
>tfw no ranged equivalent of quickblade
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>>150033346
>what is speed brand
End all life.
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>>150033525
>Tfw everytime you find a triple Xbow of speed, your character isn't setup to abuse it
It makes me feel numb inside.
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>take a chei character through hell
>get totally screwed by the mysterious force since it takes soo many turns to move

chei has some downsides sometimes
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>tfw no finished Incursion
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>>150035130
>free exp from spawns
>downside
yeah right
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>>150035283
it's open source, go contribute

i think the dev may have written his own language for it or something though?
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>>150035396
It's not about the enemies, it's about the effects. I've been petrified like 3 times already. I have MR++++++, this shouldn't be happening
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>>150015713
>got the satan worms castrated as a last act of kindness before returning to his home planet
Too good for this world.
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>>150036268
God forbid you might experience some difficulty in your 1 hour chei win.
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>>150036268
Dis is the worst area in the game. Worst hell.
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>>150030092

You cannot go to .1 at Finnese only or Haste only with a weapon of speed at 0.4 mindelay. You'd be plagued by shitty slow 0.3 auts per attack too instead of drowning in 0.2 and occasionally getting 0.1. It is only doable with a Finesse+Haste on

I repeat, 0.1 aut per attack is only doable with Finnese+Haste on. This is proof that they stack. It's time for you to stop dank memer
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wtf why can't you LRD molten gargoyles
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>>150036714
Dude no kidding. Iron Giants suck.
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>>150037616
Liquids aren't brittle by definition.
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Do any gods besides Chei give a stat increase? +15 to all stats is just too good. I will never leave Chei even as a caster due to this
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>>150038526
Zin gives you +1 per 3 invo when you use vitalization or whatever it's called, so +9 with 27 invo. You can still haste and berserk too
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My first 15 rune win that wasn't a Chei transmuter. I started off with Long Swords but found the weapon in a Labyrinth so I switched.

Also the ghost had an anti-magic dagger which made extended MUCH easier. Was pretty fun too.
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>>149907174
Sojobo
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>>150039521
Only +9 temporarily? At 27 Inv? That's awful
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>>150039646
What his this new helpakelpa god?
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>>150039746
God of Stands
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I have 44 AC, 8 EV, 0 SH, 26 STR, 13 DEX at XL 13 as a newell. I have no shield, my only artefact item is a +1 pair of gloves (slay +5). I have an amulet of regen, a ring of str +4 with a ring of protection +3. My weapon is a +1 great mace (protect).

I have just gotten 3 scrolls of acquirements. There is a shop on orcish mine:2 with an unidentified artifact plate armor (which I don't have enough gold for).

Knowing that, what should I use my acquirement scrolls on?
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>>150039870
wand
if you can buy every wand that is currently unid'd
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>>150040069
Not a single wand in shops. I have ID'd the wands: iceblast, TP, confusion, polymorph, slow, disintegration, acid, and I have not come across any other wands.
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>>150040268
first one will probably be telenthen heal wounds or haste. truly your best bet, you can always find better armour and weapons, earlier hw/haste wands are beyond good
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>>150040369
>first wand was a wand of random effect, second wand was a second wand of TP
Should I really try for hw/haste with the third? I don't feel so lucky anymore.
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>>150040605

Don't fall for his epic meme
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>>150040903
b-but what meme should I fall for then?
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>>150040950

>>149975116
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>>150039646
grat
Hep is awesome
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>>150039712
it has a bunch of effects other than that too including immunity to a lot of status effects
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This is a cool map, more RLs should be able to generate complex maps like this
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>>150039870
>Falling for the wand meme
I am sorry for your loss, should've aquired weapons
And train some dodging holy fuck are you wearing crystal plate or what
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>>150042292
Plate + gargoyle. The AC pretty much makes me immortal in melee, but maybe I should stop training armor and start training dodging instead?
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Is amulet of faith any good on D:7 if you just started worshipping sif? I am HeFE and playing trunk if that helps.
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>>150042624
Post your skill page+inventory.

I am a badplayer, but I will give my best advice.

>>149975116
+14 is the highest I have ever seen, but good find anon.
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>>150042838
I play on a device with no internet connection and use the other to shitpost.
My skills are: 17.3 fighting, 12.3 maces & flails, 13 armour. Rest are 0 or near-0 except the cross-trained weapons.
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>>150042202
>generate
it isn't randomly generated, its generated from a pool of vault maps.
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>>150042653
yes
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>>150042624
>wearing plate as a gargoyle
fault
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>>150043176
Oh right. well more roguelikes should be able to randomly generate maps like that
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>>150043359
>wearing anything but plate as gargoyle
fault
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>>150043475
>randomly
he just said it's not
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>>150042985
I'd get some dodging. There will be things that can fuck you up with your low hp and no sh/ev like juggernaughts in depths or large rock cyclops. Polythemeus would be one to look out for in particular since his rocks hit hard.

Also, anything with Crystal Spear, air strike, or orb of destruction.

You've done lair, right?
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>>150038526
Stats are worthless desu
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>>150044220
Just finished all the floors of lair right now. Not sure where to go next, but I'm guessing snake pit is a good option. I guess I'll train dodging in there and go for shoals after? Or is that too dangerous? The other two branches I can do are slime pit and (of course) elven halls. Otherwise I guess I'm proceeding in the dungeon.
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>and so the hoard begins to grow

wew lads. i cant fucking stop aye, if its even slightly interesting i pick it up like a fool.

its an addiction i swear
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>the naga hits you but does no damage
>You are cast into the Abyss!
HOLY SHIT PANIC WHAT DO I DO HOW DO I NOT DIE
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>>150045853
Do everything you normally do but slower.
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>>150045618
Snake>Vaults1-4>Shoals.

That being said Snake and Shoals are definitely the harder of the lair branches.

Shoals has a lot of things that can fuck you up. Less so as a Gr, but still a lot. You want rC+ before shoals.

If you are doing shoals and things are too tough, don't be afraid to go do a couple depths floors before returning.
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>>150045835
I'm the same, senpai. I sort all my loot into stacks of weapons/armor/jewelry/magic staves/wands/evocables/scrolls/potions/books. On Lair 2, out of habit.
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>>150045853

When in doubt, puff tele/blink/haste/heal as long as you're able to get out of that shithole.
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>>150046342
Complete failure. Encountered a lich that sent me deeper into the abyss. During exploration, suddenly dozens of enemies got pulled into the abyss. Finally I find an exit, some demon stands right on top of it. I blink the fuck out into the only area I have sight and I get a unique in my face. Read tp scroll and quaff the shit out of my HW and cure pots but to no avail.
RIP
Is there a script to warn about enemies in the vicinity with distortion weapons?
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>>150046134
If you're a melee Gr the only things that should really worry you in Shoals are merfolk aquamancers. Pretty much everything else there is hard countered by high AC.
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>>150047151
Newest versions autopause when one comes into view.
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Dispater got dispatched. Pretty tough melee combatant.
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>>150046134
On one of my characters Shoals and Spider were both insane clusterfucks for me, and since Vaults is rune locked I had to go to fucking Depths for extra exp and tediously kill everything one by one. And then I had to do Shoals before Spider because my dude is a caster whose only source of see invis is on some shitty mace, so dealing with ghost moths one on one required a shit ton of consumables just to survive.
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>>150047287
Spriggan air mages are also a problem since I don't think airstrike checks for AC or EV. Also, anything with cold damage could fuck him up like Isleya or whatever her name is.
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>>150048031
Spider is pretty hard on casters just because everything can jump on you, stop you from kiting, poison you, drain attributes and mana, and also poison you some more.
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>>150008589
Am I correct in thinking that song of slaying is really bad until late game, where it becomes really good?
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>>150048186
you forgot the confusion and corrosion
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>>150045835
Don't worry, the jellies that spawn on D:9 will clean up all that garbage for you.
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>>150049865
Jellies don't eat items in sight anymore unless you worship Jivya
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>*Contam
>That's not a problem since I'll never take it off.

I didn't get Fire Storm from Vehumet, it's disappointing.
Already got Tornado online, maybe I'll branch to Earth magic for Shatter.
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>cleared D, Lair and Orc
>no Swamp in sight
>"I'll just go straight to Depths what could possibly go wrong"
>You are cast into the Abyss!
>wild ride of bad muts ends 2000 turns later
>escape puts me right in front of the lich who cast me into the Abyss previously
>You are cast into the Abyss!
>2300 turns later
>walls exploding and genes going absolutely insane
>only muts that haven't shit the bed are the natural demonspawn ones
Just fuck my shit up
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>>150049662
Entropy weavers in spider are pretty horrible in trunk.

Their corrosion casts are immediate now, so you can't juke around a corner. Everything's fast, so when they instacorrode you and it starts to stack you have no way of getting away to drop it without consumables or spells.

The best you can often manage is to dig a killhole, but a lot of the spider floor layouts don't have walls that are thick enough for killholes on the interior of the map.

It kind of encourages shouting near stairs to dance, and it turns spider into even more of a slog than it already was.
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>>150052716
Damn.

I was bored and went into elf because fuck elves/xp, eventually got banished of course, appeared in the abyss right next to a portal back out. Fucked those elves up.

I like to think the elf that sent me there was so shocked he had a heart attack, crushing the morale of his fellows.
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>>150052716
When I was hunting for artifacts in Elf:3, I was sent to the Abyss for 8% chance (MR++) by Deep Elf Demonologist.
Good thing I come back in one piece, maybe I'm just lucky.
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>>150053387
I wish really intelligent creatures would get feared if you did too much damage to them in a single hit. Although MiBe don't need to be any stronger.
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>>150053730
Play angband then.
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>>150053730
It's a good mechanic in the games its in, like sil for example. Works great there.

I have a feeling it would change the way dcss plays too much though. Then again I'm not a dev, and they could probably sort it out if they really wanted to.

As if that would ever happen lel.
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>picked up 3 runes
>cleared depths
>still havent found any gloves or naga branding
do i just end? i cant continue like this
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>>150054621
>muh 5 AC or whatever the fuck
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>>150056247
im sure you dont mind wearing -5 prot rings
im sure you wear two of those all throughout your 15 rune runs
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>only 1 tele scroll left
>got 2 acq scroll
>only 2 wands aren't yet recognized : healing and tele
>acquire wand
>tfw fell for the wand meme
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>>150046134
i've always found snake way easier than spider. the snakes are definitely more powerful than the spiders but you don't have to worry about ghost moths, spark wasps, orb spiders, and entropy weavers being obnoxious little faggots all the goddamn time. snakes are pretty straightforward and most run to melee range, shock serpents are the only dangerous thing there really
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15th rune get! This was a fun character. I never realized until today just how strong Statue Form is, especially in the Hells/Pan. Though as an armored caster, I actually LOST AC as a statue. Oops.
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>>150060335
gratz friend
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>>150057925
what did you get?
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>>150059717
Spider I've always had a tougher time with as a caster, but snakes is harder as a melee dude. It is easier to evoke feet safely from range against nagas, but with spider you can't really evoke feet easily.
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>>150061263
oh, i usually play melee dudes and snake is just endless tabbing, compared to spider where i have to actually pay attention and pick off orb spiders and shit
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And I'm out! Woo! I really like Chei.

>>150060493
Thanks
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>>150061419
Orb spiders aren't really that tough. Wands, rods, or ranged weapons, reflection anything, hexes, make really quick work of them. Even 10 throwing plus stones makes them not too tough.

In addition, spiders have low hp, are often susceptible to poison, and are oftentimes many small attacks rather than single big hits making it easy for high AC melee dudes to make mincemeat out of them.
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>>150062004
>Didn't even buff up before leaving
You don't know what lies ahead, anon. Better to be prepared. Congrats though! Chei is really great. What mut set did you have?
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>>150056247
Doesn't naga barding scale with armour skill? So instead of being 8 AC (which is fucking significant) it's actually like 12-14? And then the gloves on top of that would be another 4.

Nah, you're right. 18 AC sounds insignificant.
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>>150061023
Wand of hasting and wand of ice blast, you can see that in the bottom right.
I already have wand of hasting with 1 charge, so it's not really useful.

>>150061263
I always delay Spider branch as a caster unless I have at least 2 potions of invisibility and SInv.
Fuck ghost moth.
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>>150062192
i don't play tiles, i have no idea what the icons are, maybe you'll consider falling for the armor meme next time though
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>>150062084
Toxic radiance is probably the best spell in the game for spider.

>>150062159
Armour skill scales with all AC from what I understand. Barding is just 4 boots instead of 2, so it'd get a nicer boost.
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>>150062126
>You have a pair of large horns on your head.
>You are completely covered in iridescent scales. (AC +8)
>Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+)
>You can hurl damnation.
>You are completely attuned to the shadows.
>You are powered by pain.
>You are immune to clouds of flame.

Not a bad pull, all things considered.
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>>150062356
>Armour skill scales with all AC from what I understand. Barding is just 4 boots instead of 2, so it'd get a nicer boost.

Just armour base AC values. Rings and enchantment bonuses and spells don't get boosted. In my experience it roughly doubles the base AC of all the armour you're wearing at max armour skill.
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>>150062159
>muh 18 AC
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>>150062648
Post your 0/0/0 85hp win
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>>150062908
HP is the most important stat though. You go to 0 and you die.
AC is optional
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>>150063005
Post your 0/0/0 300 hp win
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>>150063074
I don't even think it's possible to get 0/0 AC/EV without a bunch of negative defense items. And that naga guy is already about to win anyway with -18 AC so clearly AC is optional
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>>150063214
Post your no ac win or quit shitposting about how ac doesn't matter
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>>150063538
It doesn't. At least not 18 AC. If you can clear depths then you can win.
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>>150063586
And here you are, still not posting your no AC win
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>>150062551
Oh, neat. That makes armour seem kind of weak as a skill, but free AC is free AC. You always learn stuff about crawl, no matter how much you've played.
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>>150063719
Do you think Fe has never been won or something?
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>>150064558
Of course it hasn't.
It's a meme race you dip.
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>>150064558
I think some shitter talking about how AC doesn't matter sure as shit doesn't have a win on Fe or Op
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>>150064886
The existence of Fe/Op wins necessarily means that AC doesn't matter. Play a spellcaster sometime, your defense is your offense and your feet.
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>>150065081
As someone who has actually done extended with no AC instead of just theorycrafting, I am telling you, definitively, that AC really really fucking matters.

>The existence of Fe/Op wins necessarily means that AC doesn't matter.
The existence of atheist wins necessarily means gods don't matter.
The existence of berserker wins necessarily means spells don't matter.

Do you realize how retarded you sound?
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AC A SHIT. EV A BEST.
DEFENSE WAR NOW
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>>150065462
You clearly won with no AC. It didn't matter that you were missing it. You don't need spells to win. You don't need a god to win. You don't need body armor to win. People have even won challenge MuMo, where you combine all of that into a single conduct. It doesn't matter. Crawl doesn't matter.

>offline tileshitter
oh boy why am I even talking with you
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>>150065662
>You clearly won with no AC. It didn't matter that you were missing it.
How the fuck are you going to tell me what did and didn't matter in the game that I actually played and experienced.

You have no experience with what you're talking about. You have not won one of these characters. You are playing backseat driver and assuming entirely incorrect conclusions. The only recourse you have is bitching about tiles, because your stance is so wrong.
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>>150066106
>tilesbabby throwing a fit
classic
AC doesn't matter
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>>150065081
I hope you realize that most felid/OP wins try to transmute themselves into stone, or spend all 3 runes crying because they aren't.
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>>150065662
>>offline tileshitter
Oh boy I love that ad hominem

Makes me want to do another god bio.
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>>150066106
when you have 0 ac, either you win or you don't
that's two (2) possibilities
you did win, which means you didn't die, so it didn't matter
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>>150066274
And even then the AC difference between cat statues and regular characters training max armor with fully enchanted aux slots can be huge, much more than 18 AC. That naga complaining about no barding is just a little bitch and needs to suck it up
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>>150066308
Do atheist bio. pls.
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>>150066610
Hmm. I'm not certain how to do that but I got some ideas.

I accept the challenge, hopefully sleeping will have improved my prose and the fact that its 3:30 in the morning won't detract.
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>>150066316
Right, *I* won that game. Because I'm not shit. You, however, have not won any felids or octopodes, much less a 15 rune that doesn't use statue form. AC matters because without it, people like you will not win the game at all.
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>>150066956
>HP matters because without it, people like you will not win the game at all.
Do you realize how retarded you sound? lmfao
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>>150067038
Yes, HP does matter, because without it, people like me (and everyone else) would not win the game at all. This is correct. You have successfully argued my exact point.

Pretending to be retarded is still being retarded, anon.
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>>150066956
whether or not you have AC, there are still two (2) possibilities: either you win or you lose

so either way it's really a 50/50, ergo AC doesn't matter
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>>150067189
Except it isn't 50/50. Having AC increases your odds of winning, while a distinct lack decreases it. You doof.
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>>150067172
>Yes, HP does matter, because without it, people like me would not win the game at all.
you're bad hahaha
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>>150067451
You don't need to give him a (You)
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>>150067531
Don't you mean you?
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>>150067451
either you win or you don't
that's two (2) possibilities
it can't be 50-50 because 50 is more than 2, so it must be more like a 2-2 chance
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>>150067610
Oh god anon, you just made me lose my shit. I shouldn't have laughed as hard at this.
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>>150067610
no you have to square the last number so instead of 2/2 its like 2/4 chance or something

>>150067531 You
>>150067602 You
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hey guys, should i buy a lottery ticket? i mean, i either win or i lose, so its a 50/50 chance
if i buy two,i should win
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>>150067715
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>>150067780
fucking idiot
it's a 2/4 chance
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>>150067817
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>>150067857
But 2/4 is the same as 1/2, which is a 50/50 chance.
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>>150068006
50 is more than 2 idiot
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>>150068192
You misunderstand, anon. A 50/50 chance is a 50% chance which is 1/2. They're equal.
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>Another altar
>This time a towering monolith of dark basalt, softly glowing with twin purple torches
>The very dust around it seems more active, as if straining to come back
>How many have you seen thus far?
>ten?
>twenty?
>A hundred?
>Regardless the same disgust fills your mouth
>You spit at the thing and the torches flicker for a moment
>But nothing happens
>You continue on your way, alone, as you always have ignoring every shrine
>Every snail covered shrine
>Every softly glowing reliquary
>Every vile, skull covered sepulchre
>You cannot deny the power they possess
>The power they offer
>You see it every moment in this dungeon, orcish priests calling down the wrath of their god
>Gleaming angels smiting with lethal precision
>Burning demons torturing you every step of the way
>You know what they offer
>After all, they're in your very blood
>Many would think that demigods do not worship because they are to proud or vain
>Others think that it is because their lives are already pledged to their ancestry
>While not wrong, they're not quite right either
>When you were born you saw, for but a moment, with the vision of a god
>And you saw their ways in full truth
>Horrible, rapacious creatures all of them
>The good simply hiding themselves better than the evil
>All taking the souls of their followers, growing in strength for their great game
>All mortals simply pieces, to be moved and lost without a care
>All seeking to change you into their image
>But your blood gives you strength
>Not the godly part, but the mortal
>They need it
>They need the creatures of the earth to worship them
>To keep their strength up
>To keep them alive until their final stake
>But you, and others like you have chosen not to play
>You know not what the future ahead keeps
>What the afterlife carries
>Whether you can shoulder your burden on your own forever
>But you shall try
>Your back has been strong enough so far
>You can bear yourself yet

>You spend a moment contemplating the meaning of life
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>>150068429
Nice
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>>150068429
I really enjoy these, I'm glad you're writing them.

>When you were born you saw, for but a moment, with the vision of a god
so close
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>>150068586
>so close
What? Something wrong? Anything messed up on?
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>>150068281
no
50 is more than 2
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>>150068658
Maybe "When you were born you saw, but for a moment, the vision of a god" without the "with"

Wouldn't mention it normally, but if you're saving these I thought you might like to know.
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>>150068762
You can add it in if you like.

Working within the 2000 character limit has me stretching and I was right on the money with that one.
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>>150068846
>>150068762
Also, i'm not saving them but I think some other anon might be.

Any suggestions for the next one.

I got 9 hours of sleep and a couple quesadillas in me so i'm good to go, at least until a bathroom break is needed.
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>>150068762
You know we can talk about whatever we please, right? You don't have to resort to this for someone to talk to you.
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>>150068991
In most circumstances it doesn't matter if you have an extra word somewhere in your sentence, and it might be considered rude to correct someone in casual parlance.
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>>150068983
Keep doing Xom every now and then with a completely different backstory. Alternatively, Cheibriados knows you don't take him seriously, and he doesn't mind. He hopes you can take it easy anyway.
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>>150068758
>>150068991
Meant for this guy.
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>>150068991
>>150069316
>babby's first meme
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>>150069190
I wouldn't quite call /rlg/ casual parlance and I, quite frankly, don't care. Critique is fine and every little bit helps.
>>150069278
That sounds like a suggestion to me.
But how to do Chei without just making him a big 'ol slug? Hmm.
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>>150069414
make him a colossal biomechanical clockwork snail. He eats the frayed threads of spacetime and his slime trail is the ever flowing river we perceive as linear existence.
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>Uskayaw
>Hepliaklqana

Did the person who names gods in Crawl have a stroke or something?
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How much EV would make a chjaracter almost untochable except by smiting/hellfire/non-checkin EV spells?
I mean, who needs AC when you have a 90% chance or so to not get hit right? right?
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>Of all the universal constants
>All the fundamental forces
>The fates and destinies
>One stands more unflinching than the rest
>In the realm of time, every step stretches for an eternity
>And for those of a certain persuasion, this is the worst torture imaginable
>But for those of a deeper thought, this reminds them of what is more important
>No step can be taken back
>In the center of this realm, there stands an enormous hourglass, taller than any structure in existence, a new grain of sand dripping through every aeon
>It is said that when the final mote of sand falls, the universe shall end and all shall be reclaimed to the primordial energy that was
>And atop of this design, listening to nothing but the granules falling, stands Cheibriados
>On one, chitinous leg he stands, stiller than any statue
>A small, round, leathery body sits atop it
>Small beads of slime hang off from the sides, gently swaying in the breeze in pendulous thought
>And a single eyestalk juts out above
>Forever closed, as though asleep
>But only the nimble-witted would make such an assumption, in their haste making mistakes
>No, Cheibriados never sleeps, every attosecond is far too important for that
>He sits deep in thought
>Meditating
>"Does he think on how to forestall the end?" they ask in hurried breaths
>"No"
>And that is all any true follower would give them
>For, in their brief forays into the dominion of time, they learn the lesson Cheibriados hopes to teach all
>Everything is special
>Every scent of rose on the wind
>Every drop of wine into a jeweled goblet
>Every note in an orchestra
>All things are great, but the hurried never care
>They move from place to place, looking for one thing happiness in particular
>Whereas one with the proper consideration will love all
>And for one in deep enough thought, in a particularly lethargic sleep
>Even the harsh walls of stone are a delight worth noting
>"So take it easy" a voice echoes "and think"

>You step
>Your body is wracked with pain x4
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Is DsCK the most random character i can ever play?
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>>150071358
I unironically like these, a lot.
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>>150071210
Doesn't matter.

>>150071389
>predefined combo
>"random"
Do random random of first god
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>>150071358
>>150071506
Agreed. You're doing good work, anon.
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>>150071561
But i want a random playstyle, not a random combo.
WIth your method, i'd end up with a combo and have to play regarding that style.
This way, my character is literally random in its development, depending on random mutations and gifts/Xom bullshit to decide development or adjust it.
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>>150071859
Any suggestions for next god? I gotta go take a dump then likely take a shower so I'd prefer to start thinking before that starts.
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>>150072041
Chaos knight really isn't a random playstyle. It's just meleedude that xom teleports into packs of enemies every now and then, with some mutations. Wanderer is kind of a random playstyle, but even then you're gonna be "Spellcaster if I start with a book, meleedude if I don't" unless you specifically go out of your way not to use the first stuff you have available to you.

>>150072195
Elyvilon.
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>>150072195
If you haven't done it already, Gozag, my favourite god.
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Why is Xom so much fucking fun? I'm not even mad when i die because of him, i just find joy in seeing in which ways i'll become OP as fuck or die like a bitch.
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>>150073090
Because xom is the most based god there is
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That's a good mut potion.
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>>150073090
This is why he's fun.
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>>150074115
Those Xom mutations aren't even that great.

Stats - who cares?
1 AC - That's only 1/18 of "provides no benefit", so it definitely doesn't help
Blink, mapping, claws 1 - unlikely to matter

The only decent ones are Poison spit 2 (and that falls off during or after lair) and resist mut. Fire resist isn't bad, but you're generally pretty okay on resists.
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>play CK
>Xom gets bored
>Xom summons a bunch of tier 3 demons around me
>ded
>Xom thinks this is hilarious!

I don't even get what I'm doing wrong.
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>>150075224
Not doing stupid shit.

That's not a joke, xom likes stupid/risk shit.
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>>150075324
what does Xom consider a riks? just running around with low hp?
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>>150075509
Yes, fighting many enemies, etc...
That's why TrCK is good.
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>>150075509
Fighting lot of enemies at the same time, fighting red marked enemies, stepping onto traps, especially zot ones, you can abuse that a bit unless they fixed it, drinking un id'd pots and stuff like that
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>In the infinite madness of Pandemonium there is nestled a plane of light
>A holy golden fort with a church of the purest silver standing against the lunacy
>Oft ignored, however, is the forest that hides the fort
>Holy bulls, the apises, graze there, guiding travelers away from the secrets hidden within
>For, deep within the forest, lies an orchard
>A grand field leading up to a small temple
>Made of the whitest marble, two stone pillars stand to either side of the small house
>Lying atop the place, snoozing quietly, is a massive pearl dragon, larger than any other
>The scales of Dunkelzahn being so holy, it is said, that not even the demon lords can threaten the reliquary for fear of his burning touch
>Sitting within is a petite white chalice and a marble statue watching it
>The Chalice of Purification
>To drink from it is to purge all evils from your body, even the ravages of time are washed away in a but a sip
>But only the purest already are allowed to hold it, the chalice immobile to any other
>At first glance the statue appears to be that of a snake or worm of sorts
>Upon making your way up to the Chalice you will see more though
>The wormlike body is entirely made up of hands
>All clutching one another, locked together to make up the writhing form
>The closest seeming to move, reaching out for the meddler
>The form slowly rises up, coiling upon itself, and at the very end grasps a round object
>A small female head with a single hand gripping where the neck would be
>It has decidedly elven features, with a high brow and pointed ears but most prominent is its smile
>Warm and reassuring, looking on you like a mother would her child
>None have dared to seize the chalice
>Not for the angels that swarm the rest of the realm
>Not because of the incredible trials one must face simply to be there
>Not through any fear of punishment or retribution
>But the thought of seeing that face disappointed

>The fire dragon turns neutral
>The fire dragon bites you
>You die...
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>>150071506
>>150071859
If you keep feeding his ego like this he's going to start believing it.
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>>150077346
So what are the downsides, there? Anon feels accomplished and continues producing interesting content? Ohhhh nooooo
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>>150024924
If we're all causality, and causality causes fault, aren't we all at fault?
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Me again. I'm making this coffee-break roguelike and not sure about a design decision, not having played many of them myself.

>every enemy has a significant chance to drop a tombstone
>the only unique use of it is using it up as a weapon by destroying a wall

Would it be "fair" to block some paths/rooms off because of this, leaving it to chance or other skills to find them? (there would always be an alternate path open regardless)
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>>150078257
You could also make them act like boulders, blocking movement on their tile. Especially good for escape, but they'd have to be destroyable by mobs
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>>150068429
that was amazing
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>Playing Death Road to Canada
>Keep getting good runs but I always fuck myself over somehow
>Always low on food or medical supplies, game keeps throwing traders at me whenever this happens.
>Finally a damn good run again, maybe I'll beat the game.
>Megamart is full of pissed zombies but I have molotovs.
>Molotovs are bugged when you're inside and explode the instant you hit the attack key so you light yourself on fire
>It's fine I didn't get hi-
>Dead

I just wanna beat this damn game.
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>>150052407
wow what a shitty trove. what of you have no source of dog? total waste?
>>
>blow up some summons with immmo
>Oka gets angry
>fight off his wrath summons
>Oka says we cool now
>Oka grants you a gift!
>wear-ID bardiche +7 of the Doomed Warrior {distortion *Confuse
I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE WERE COOL, OKA.
>>
>>150080951
There are wands of disintegration available inside
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>>150081050
>+7 bardiche
>Complaining
>>
>>150079464
Alright, that's even better: enemies drop all their carried items - if they have none, they drop a blocking tombstone, which smashes walls.
>>
Stealth--, EV+4, rC+, rElec, +2, or SInv? Which should I get?
>>
>>150083464
Rings? Wear the randart, keep sInv as a switch
>>
Just random-quaffed a potion of experience. I'm low level and my skills are 5.9 fighting, 6 m&f, 7.7 dodging as gladiator of makhleb. Should I increase invocations? Or fighting?
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>>150083682
Cloak. OK then.
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>>150083716
Get M&F up, it'll let you kill shit easier.
And why do you have no armor? What race are you?
>>
>>150083860
Ds. I'm not training armor so I can train dodge faster. Is that bad?
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>>150084035
Train armour too. It'll save your life. And those early points are cheap without having less effect that later more expensive ones.
>>
Somebody knows the list of abilities the ancestors have? I feel like having some jolly co-operation, but I want to know which Stando to pick up.
>>
>>150085208
the crawl forge is uptodate on that
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Hepliaklqana
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>>150085208
hexer with mass confusion
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>>150086597
Wasn't mass confusion removed?
>>
>>150086975
no idea. never used that god. i guess paralyze instead is good enough
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>>150087486
>giving advice on mechanics you are not
familiar with
Wew
Seriously, though; stop posting, stupid nigger.
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Finally, something affordable from Gozag's platinum reserve!
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How do I spell-tab in Crawl?
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Anybody got any more god suggestions, finally woke up from muh nap.
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>>150091603
Play with Ru and always sacrifice the most important thing he offers you
Unless you're the writefag, in which case Ru anyway since his concept is very nice
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>minotaur zaps his rod of clouds
>proceeds to run through all of the freezing clouds then die in one hit
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>>150091050
macro f1 to "z.."
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>>150091773
I am writefag and Ru it is.
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wow this was the shittiest bailey i've ever seen. there were orcs over the deep water but they didn't even have any ranged attacks
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>>150094138
yea usually they all have polearms and crossbows
sometimes
they dont
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>>150075324
>>150075645
Trying to manipulate Xom interest by fighting with a bunch of enemies onscreen is a great way to get him to drop his worst effects on you.

Please don't give badvice.
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>>150085647
>http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Hepliaklqana

That isn't actually up to date, for one thing they removed the branching upgrade path.

>Knight
Starts with a flail, upgrades to a war axe of flaming, then a war axe of speed. Also get a shield, which upgrades to a large shield of reflection. Also gets an AC boost.

>Battlemage
Starts with a quarterstaff, upgrades to a lajatang of freezing. Gets something like Stone Arrow, Throw Icicle, Bolt of Magma, LCS.

>Hexer
Starts with a dagger of draining, upgrades to anitmagic quickblade. Gets something like Slow, Confuse, Paralyze, Mass Confusion.


All of them can eventually cast Haste, and get rF and rC. Ancestor AC has been nerfed pretty hard so the Battlemage and Hexer are pretty noticeably frail, but the Knight is still pretty rock solid.

I've got like 5 wins with Hep, probably my favorite god.
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>>149931261
>Sprints tend to make piety generate at a higher rate.

Linesprint doesn't "tend" shit, it has far less enemies and greatly multiplied piety and XP.

Because of this the consumables you receive at the beginning of the game can carry you through 2-3 fights, which will dramatically level you, allowing for some odd character builds, like a Troll Transmuter (shooting to stack the Troll HP with Hydra/Dragon Form's +30% size bonus)
>>
Is there a way to get Crawl to auto-butcher corpses?
>>
>>150095113
>TrTm
>odd character build

ey yo anon, if you're going to make a post where you nitpick shit, it's probably a good idea to not then go on to post things that are very silly and easily picked apart, like for example the notion that TrTm is anything less than fucking amazing in the regular game
>>
>get pulled into the abyss at xl13 while fighting louise
That was scary as shit but I managed to make it out alive, and with a +15 plate armour of Complete Protection {str+2 dex+4} in tow.
>>
So, new thread when?
>>
>>150095519

Sorry a badly gimped Troll with horns/talons and the ability to summon 1 adder at a time doesn't appeal to me.
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>>150095475
yes, its togglable in the rc/ini file
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>>150085647
>>150095070
Thanks, my afroamerican brethen.

So, where's the new thread?
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>>150097590
Didn't you hear? No new thread, this is the final one.
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>>150097935
New thread mas negroes
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>>150097953
What a shame. What a rotten way to die.
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>>150098018
Rotting is just a part of being dead.
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>>150092307
kek

crawl enemies are pretty stupid about clouds
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