/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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first for spark wasps a shit

>>149698715
I don't know, anon.
I see you giving a lot of praise for Nem, but I never see anyone playing it here and very few play it in general.
And my experiences with Nem have been seriously awful.

>>149698026
Not that anon but you aquire wands very rarely

>>149699856
I have a yugi man parked in trunk right now, being hard carried by his decks of summoning and destruction. I swear to you, he is stronger than we give him credit for. You just do a lighter version of a typical Invo melee dude build and you're cake. You're just locked into going TSO because your heavy investment in invo is useless outside of holy hand grenade.

Repostan in new thread >>149699565
how much Throwing to make Ruks hit reliably?

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I hope everyone is doing their best today!!

>>149700329
For ruks, you want like 20 throwing. They'll be good after like 10 or so, but you want the delay to be low. Collect some javelins in the mean time, they're pretty good if you invest throwing.

>>149700135
>You're just locked into going TSO because your heavy investment in invo is useless outside of holy hand grenade.
That's assuming you even want to do Hell/Pan/Tomb.

I'll give him another try, but I'm still pretty leery of it.

>>149697850

I bet you can't win a 15 runer without using wands you wand shitter

>>149700704
I feel you. If you liked old Yugi, you probably won't like new Yugi all that much. Just make sure you invest your invocations early and heavily. Do the stupid MfGl of Qaz build, but with Yugi. He isn't the best god, but he does work and gives you some extremely dumb stuff. Like I said earlier, LITERAL PANLORDS to kill dyaks.

>>149701024
I was just going to go MfMo per the Mo buff, but basically the same thing.

>>149700948
Kek.
I don't really acquire wands particularly often either, seeing as I don't often have many wands identified by the time I read ?Acq.

I forgot to mention book and staff acquirement in that post, but oh well- he's dead now.

Anyone done much testing with the new jewellery acq or misc acqs?

>>149701795
I'm always scared to use ?acq on jewelry since most randart jewelry is hot garbage

I honestly like my Battlemage Ghost-Bro

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What the hell were you guys saying that I need to learn how to melee in order to do Hell? Seems comfy here with a staff of power and a shit buckler

>>149703158
Some people know not the power of channeling.

>>149703158
You don't need to melee at all in the entire game. But some form of channeling is useful because you can't usually rest to full mana in Heck,

Best race for a filthy min-maxer in DCSS?

>>149703158
>90 MP
You're one of the few dudes who doesn't need it since you can actually blow your wad and still have 30 MP left.

>>149703953

But I always have to use SOB especially if my Iron shot+LCS doesn't hit at a critical point and I just happened to reach 50-60% manapool. 50% is always ALWAYS bad, he just happened to be almost dead that's why I didn't cast it.

>>149703953
>>149703158
Feels good that they finally took off that stupid MP cap.

>>149704347
How much is your SOB restoring anyway? How much HP does it take off?

Requesting a link to the DCSS commit where the explanation is that they added too much content without removing anything

>>149698929
>Full moon tonight
>Moon is clearly almost New
What is this shit

>>149705149

One to full MP and I don't even know why I'm still using a staff of power. It's painful if it's beyond 50% since it takes like ~60 hp restoring you to full mana but that may just be because I was wielding a staff of power for the rest of the game and 44-55 mp refilled is quite a lot.

>>149705687
It's a bizarre picture in pretty much every way.
Everything is wrong with it.

>>149703158
>>149704838
Does channelling scale with max MP? Or do you channel a fixed amount of mana each use if it succeeds?

>>149706080
It's not related to max MP.
http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=channeling
There is also http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=channel_magic
Which I think scales off of MP since it works with MPRegen.

>>149705695
>60 HP for full MP
Fucking hell that hurts. I wonder if its % based. That wouldn't be so bad if you had 260~ HP vs. 180.

>>149706657
Considering he has like 90 MP that's pretty fair.

>>149706657

That's why you'll always use it at 70-80% so you take off a negligible amount of HP. Something like 5-15 or even lower I think which is definitely ignorable

>>149707627
Oh I agree. But most of pan is a really odd balance of how many hellfires can I take if I get tormented once? How many after 2 torments? He basically does a torment lite if he gets into a dire situation with his MP, which definitely throws a lot of that off.

>>149707745
This sounds way better. I'll have to give SOB a shot, I haven't used it since .13 probably. Maybe on a VS. That sounds like one spicy meatball.

How do I into abyssal knight? No matter what, I end up dead within 3 levels and can never raise piety enough to unlock any power.

I also have trouble playing casters as a whole, though.

Finally found a Spellforged Servitor holy shit

let the games begin

how do I know how many artifacts have been created in a given game

>>149708473
Skill as a typical melee dude, with a small early investment into invocation. Once your melee is good and your defenses are ok, you can invest it a little more heavily. Your abilities won't really be all that great early on, they shine more right before lair and during your branch runes. Banish is super great for wrecking orb spiders, shock wasps and so on. Would you like to see a morgue for a 3 rune AK? I did one during the tourney.

>>149709862
wat gam

>>149710730
pozchengband
get it

>all these animes about mmos
>no animes about roguelikes
Where did everything go so wrong?

Why is crawl such a clusterfuck stairdancefest?
every floor after D:12 or so is just a clusterfuck filled to the brim with enemies that you cant safely engage without alerting the whole level, leading you to <><><><> different stairs multiple times per floor

>>149709862
It only tracks those you've actually found.

>>149710730
nethack

there's other roguelikes with artifacts?

>>149711196
So I've got 3... no way to wish for one

>>149711115
What are you playing as?

>>149711394
There's a roguelike WITHOUT artifacts?

>>149711115
Just make a killbox. Sitting in a single tile surrounded by darkness is fun, right? :^)

>>149711604
I mean an artifact system like Nethack's. You know, only appear in special circumstances instead of treasure

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Should I buy it? I'm currently using an AcFiCo cloak of elemental protection.

>>149711838
Some nethack artifacts appear as treasure though, don't they?

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At which XLs does a demonspawn gains his mutations?
Can i, say, get a tier 2 facet as soon as i reach XL2 with much luck? Is there a specific pattern or is it literally random, but obeys the rule "2 tier 2, 1 tier 3, scales and a body part or three"?

>>149711115
just embrace it and play a loud axe-wielding dude

>>149711913
Depends on your resists. The first point of resistance is worth more than two speed because unresisted elemental breaths will likely kill you past like, fire hounds.

>>149712349
Random, but follows the general rule of what a DS should get OR you get monstrous.

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I'm here at last, at the final boss room. I have to do this right and get my good mage diploma

>>149712560
So i can get fucking augmentation or a tier 3 facet as soon as level 2? Seems pretty broken.

>>149712248
Beyond the ones necessary to win the game, only the quest artifact, demonbane and the sunsword can appear without player intervention. Everything else must be named, wished or gifted.

>>149712730
Yeah. Or hooves 1.

>>149712871
No. Plenty of artifacts can spawn in shops or on the floor. They're just incredibly rare.
They can also of course spawn in bones levels.

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Now all that is left is the extra stage Slime pits

>>149711115
If I make a variant I'm going to have a cooldown on stair usage so that once you go down stairs you have to commit to it.

>>149713879
>removing even more tactical options
wew lad

>>149714325
>removing anything

Get this man on the dev team immediately

>>149713626
inb4yousomehowdietoTRJ

>>149713879
>>149711703
oh yes :^)

>>149713879
No. Instead, you should make it so enemies do not follow you upstairs, and so they reheal when you leave the floor.

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Hope everyone else has a strong character today!

>>149715723
Nice of you to say that.
Because you certainly don't.

>>149716035

>b-but muh 40 EV will be all I need when a juggernaut gets the jump on me and I die in one turn

>>149716035
>>149716242
Holy crap, are you saying felids are weak? STOP THE PRESSES! no fucking shit it's weak it's a fucking felid

>>149714556
The AI would be too much, but I think it would be cool if time would keep flowing and they would organize against you, setting up positions by the stairs.

>>149716705
Which is why it was nice of anon to be so selfless.
Try to keep up, darling.

>>149717008
It already happens like that though.

Would it be possible to do a lua script for crawl's rcfile that checked if you had 2+ of a unidentified scroll in your inventory, and noticed you upon entering a new level?

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>>149715723
Mara is a sometimes food. Like fucking never

>>149718143
ACTIVIR

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>>149718143
I think I'll go do shoals.

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I did it, my deep dark elven dreams have been fulfilled

I'm a stabber worshipping Gozag, how much Evocations do i need to make Invisibility's hunger cost not a nuke to my food?

>>149718423
Grats m8.

>>149718561
It'll never go down.

Misery of dicks.

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>>149718410
I ain't even mad.

>>149719571
more like kike am i right

>>149719880
Little did she realize that I already had no weapons or armour or useful spells against her. That's definitely a point in felid's favor. If you get polymorphed by kirke you're already so shit it doesn't actually make you worse.

>>149717698
Only the monsters that actually are after you, and like another anon said they don't heal properly.

>>149720117
>triangle bomb
>not useful

>>149720369
Never heard of this one.
What's it like/about?

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So have you guys played this yet?

>>149720653
Very standard linear dungeon crawler, but instead of a food clock you have to manage light and sanity. As your mind gets increasingly fucked up you get hallucinations, which start out as an annoyance but can eventually become dangerous.

It's a fun coffee break roguelike with great ideas, but it's sometimes too dependent on rng. In this pic I'm rocking an eternium sword that killed the end boss in one more hit, and those giants were definitely going to kill me in two. Sometimes you get so many sanity potions that you can just top off whenever you feel like it, and other times you'll go insane and there's nothing you can do about it.

In any case it's a fun game that doesn't take your whole life to play/master, unlike a certain graphical dungeon crawler.

>>149720836
Oh god my eyes

>Your armoured boots disintegrate!
NOOOOOOOOO

>>149720323
There were no situations where I could use it against her without blowing myself up. So yeah, not useful.

How come we never talk about Infinite Cave Adventure anymore? Like a year ago it was one of the more popular games in the general

>>149721324
do you play it? I remember hardly anyone talking about it

>>149721324
>popular
Like two people played it of course one of them was an e-celebrity so I see where you might be confused.

>>149721117
>certain graphical dungeon crawler
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
Madness sounds alright though.

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>>149719571
I started to say "That wasn't so bad" but it was. It was really bad. Ilsuiw or whatever her name is is still wandering around somewhere after fucking my shit up on three separate occasions, and there's a pack of death yaks that I don't really want to engage all at once just to the south.

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>>149722685
It's funny, I'm always on the lookout for dudes I can confuse next to water or lava, but it just didn't occur to me to do it to the death yaks because the entire level is water. Time to get some free ogres I guess.

>>149722848
FYI those yaks are there because of their herdsman, who is a much harder unique than the mermaid.

>>149723089
What, polyphemus or whatever? Dude had shit MR, went down like a bitch.

>>149723089
Ilsiulliwssli is way more dangerous than Polyphemus what are you talking about

>>149723089
>more dangerous than Ilsuiw
Maximum wot

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>>149722685
Wandspam saved the day. She actually wasn't that bad when there weren't a bunch of javelins flying all over the place, but I had to be careful about the water elementals because the engulf would fuck me right up.

Every time there was a merfolk avatar I had to use a consumable. High MR, summons tons of suicide bombers that you don't seem to be able to dodge the damage from. Luckily, trees are immune to drowning, and I had 5 lignification.

>>149723965
for the love of god just activate windows

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I was hoping to just avoid him, but I stepped in an invisible alarm trap and he woke up. I'm just gonna go for it.

>>149724137
I upgraded from a legitimate copy of 8 and it wouldn't accept my key, and I'm too lazy to bitch at customer support or figure out what I need to do to make it appear like it's activated legitimately. If it starts actually inconveniencing me I'll reconsider.

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>>149724689
That went unreasonably well. Had to kill about 9 other things while fighting him, but he took forever to actually make a copy of me, and my EV rolls went pretty well. Fulminant prism continues to be a strong spell.

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>>149725081
Did they make emperor scorpions easier? Usually they're a big threat.

>>149726947
Looks like song lyrics.

>>149726194
Emperor scorpions are only a big threat if your damage is low or has low duration and are slower than normal speed.

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>see bunch of enemies in room with my formicid sense
>decide to dig through wall and kill them
>this is on the other side of the wall
Mistakes were made. Hope I can make it to the stairs before those basilisks petrify me.

>>149728571
>Lair 6
>probably not even any loot
nice game design, crawl devs

>>149729021
There is at least 1 box of beasts.

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Opened a runed door, took one step forward, got blasted to death in one turn. From 151 down to -1 health. Couldn't see those guys from outside, thought it was just the statue.

I'm taking a break.

>>149720836
What game?

>>149729924

Do you not recognize this vault? It's quite popular

>>149731267
Sounding pretty nethackish there desu

>>149729924

Maybe you should play best race so you'd have monster detection :^)

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Goddamn Okawaru is going nuts

>>149729924
To be fair you should not assume that there are no monsters in the space you can't see just because there is one in the space you can see.

>>149729924
>going from water to a door when you don't know what lies within
Quaff flight next time. Or haste.

>>149699856
i got pretty far and had a lot of fun with a Sp^EvoNemelex but then I died with 2 runes in U to the first caustic shrike I ever met (I tried to evoke my sprigganfeet to get away at low hp but didn't realize it was speed 20)

>>149703915
>min-maxer
by which I assume you want the most obscenely OP race/class combination? It is and always has been minotaur berserker

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The immunity to flame clouds demonspawn mutation is hecka sweet. Immolation scrolls are now part of my regular arsenal.

>>149732803
if you're on trunk MiFi^Usk feels even stronger

>>149732839
TAB TAB BOOM
BRING NOTHING BUT DOOM
WHEN I READ THIS SCROLL, I'M CLEARING THE ROOM
ME AND CHEI
EVEN THOUGH ON THE NEXT FLOOR, I'LL BE ERASED

>>149705239
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f661db7440e4ae78df8f093bdbdf8b46d2d12eb

>>149732803
Wouldn't a minmax character be a zig clearer? MiBe is three rune strong and falls off in extended, and is pretty bad in zigs.

Probably naga or ghoul or whatever the meme zig race is.

>>149733229
I actually did die on the next floor, ran into a pack of orcs with priests and wizards in a big empty room, couldn't choke or run. I had such good muts too, oh well.

Ijyb is a girl now too.

>>149734272
me too

>>149734541
grat

fucking cant decide which god

im tengu caster/stab though havent really trained stealth at all yet

should I just go ash? I always go ash

>>149734857
Death mango or Kiku

>>149731785
More like the hat of "Fuck Elves"

>>149720836
not turn-based, ergo notaroguelike
>>>/trash/

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Alright boys, we're back. Great vaults entrance, starting this in style.

>>149734857
Chei's pretty strong. Carrying this shitty character on his back, that's for damn sure. Do you wanna wear heavy armour and still cast spells and have tons of EV? Do you want to hit like a truck? Do you want to have some of the best defensive abilities in the game?

>>149735145
alright ive tried to figure out who death mango is for 5 mins now and it aint happening

>>149735851
DITH
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>>149733275
undead are not great megazig races because they will get FUCKED up by holy floors

>>149735995
fuck

ok makes sense

WTF why did they shorten the mines? That was the only branch that had a tolerable length.

>>149736276
No it didn't you ass hat.

>>149736276
It was 3 floors of fodder and 1 floor of danger. Now its 1 floor of fodder mixed with danger and 1 floor of danger.

>>149736276
it was 3 floors of tabbing through normal trash orcs and 1 floor of danger

>>149736461
Tabbing through normal trash orcs is fun because at that point you get to see how much more powerful your character has become. These little orc squads of priest/wizard/warrior are extremely dangerous in the beginning of the dungeon.

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Is summon forest any good? Having some extra bodies would definitely be helpful, but I've never used the spell before.

>>149736712
well the dcss devs are opposed to tabbing through trash

>>149736756
No, it's bloat and it should be removed.

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Anyone have an idea how I'm supposed to hit anything in this game?

>>149736712
>Tabbing through fodder is fun
Boy, would you have loved .12-.13 era DCSS.

>>149737052
I can't tell if you're shitposting or giving an actual opinion, friend.

>>149736756
I wasn't particularly impressed with it.

You only get one dryad, and can't resummon until the duration is over even if it dies.

The vines do okay damage (once they come out, seems to take a few turns), but the dryad itself is basically helpless.

It also creates a bunch of shallow water and can't be cast in corridors, which makes it annoying to use.

>>149736756
It can be fairly strong, but it definitely needs a little help in the ways of extra bodies from other summons to really shine. Good for clearing lair/first/second rune and drops off rapidly once enemies can kill the dryad from range.

>>149737519
>>149737672
Thanks. Probably not worth getting the spellpower up on it if I'm in vaults, then?

>>149737871
You'd want another spell easily. Something like mana vipers or the big XXX.

>>149737095
shit like dogs (or zombie dogs, or zombie children) are small and hard to hit compared to full-size zombies

but once you hit enough big zombies your melee skill will go up

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>>149737332
It's not generally fun, but it's fun in this case because it demonstrates how much the character has progressed.

>>149737519
the advice I heard is that it's pretty shit on its own but the vines are ok for fucking around with enemies while your OTHER summons kill them

>>149738207

Think my character was pretty shit, started with no skills except thick skinned and construction, so maybe that's why.

>>149738019
I used mana vipers once, loved it. Absolutely phenomenal spell. I might just say fuck it and get freezing cloud, though. Cheistats is pretty strong.

>>149738357
don't spend points on starting skills if you can spend them on stats or traits, it's a huge waste

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It doesn't expire huh, so I could just grab a ton of gold and come back here anytime. The elves truly are the greatest ally

>>149738751
You have a ton of gold now though.

>>149737504
I'm not your friend, mate.

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>>149738589

Damn, can't even survive a single zombie.

Also what's wrong with starting skills?

>>149738798

>>149738798

2500 gold is not safe, something like 3500-4000 should be enough

>>149738447
Freezing cloud is a really solid pickup. You always want 1 cloud spell that you resist if you can help it. Blocking enemy clouds is always great.

>>149739397
what's wrong is that you're becoming permanently weaker by losing out on stats and traits in exchange for being temporarily slightly stronger

every skill can be raised in game through reading, and every one except computers can be raised relatively easily through actual use as well

buying skills makes you better at surviving the very early game but once you're good enough to do that anyways they're really just lost points

>>149738345
It'd need to be absolutely amazing for me to want to use it.

The open space restriction is really annoying, so you'll often find yourself having to retreat or just not use it. Fighting in a large open space rather than a corridor is often not ideal either.

>>149740218
Its what you want when you're a summoner tho.

>>149739789
>he doesn't play on multi-pool
Not that it doesn't have its own problems (namely that several professions give very cheap skills for their cost), but at least you don't start out as a demigod who somehow has existed without obtaining any practical skills.

>>149735486
>/trash/
Why does this board still exist? Why hasn't chinkmoot nuked it from orbit?

>loli/shota not allowed
good
>loli/shota furshit allowed
W O W
O
W O W

>>149740771
I mean it's still unrealistic as fuck

most starting characters have apparently never boiled water or driven a car before

tbqh i haven't played on multipool because I got bored of CDDA way before it was added
but i still post in rlg

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>A Yamabiko comes into view.
>It shouts!

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>>149730008
Brut@l

>>149735486
I know it's not a roguelike ya dingus, neither have I claimed it was, I was just showing it to you guys because it clearly got inspiration from roguelikes, thought it was funny and was at least worth a "heh, look at that."

>>149741703
Please stop trying to force this, anon.

>>149741863
awoo anon has a new waifu

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>>149741863
He's not the only one who posts Yahoo-chan.

>>149742095
That's all well and good, but the same thing multiple times is just a shitpost.
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/A%20Yamabiko%20comes%20into%20view./

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>>149742382
Sometimes you need a daily dose.

>>149742479
Is that actually true? I feel like that's a complete lie, and there is no need for a daily dose.

>>149743471
Only 3/27 doctors disagree after three (3) level ups.

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Are you ready to slouch? I am ready to slouch.

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I feel like these no-expiry merchants are actually following me

Good comment from poschengband code diving today:
/* Analyze the "dir" and the "target", do NOT explode */

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>>149744898
Didn't you have an elec double sword in your last screen?
Did you rebrand it?

>>149745105

No, I'd never rebrand a slicing brand.

PCB ranger seems better than expected
>good at ranged
>good at devices
>decent at melee
>two realms of support spells

Not sure how much sp they end up with or how low they can get their spell failure down on the high level spells, though.

>>149745105
Braids are cute cute cute!

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never seen this before, is it good?

Is it time for tummies?

>>149746251
It's always tummy time.

>>149744938
when i see a qt young dragon i have a very hard time managing to not explode

>>149746251
>>149746360
do NOT say tummy in rlg

>>149746224
It is great.
If you have a source of otherwise increasing SH (TSO/Qaz/"Refl), it is outstanding.

>>149746683
t-tummy!

>>149746905
dont

>>149747161
t-t-tummy!

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>>149746683
I'm gonna pinch your tummy, anon.

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>>149747463

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>>149747463

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>>149747463
>Is like a hard candy of shit!!!!
>Try to chew it but the poop is pretty solid,
>then I begin to suck it and voila!

>>149747596
awoo!

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>>149747463

>>149746224
It reflects pretty much everything, by the way. I would use it and abuse the fuck out of divine shield.

>>149750419
yeah it's serving me pretty well, spamming divine shield + flight has made this the easiest swamp ever

>ziggurat
>full HP
>game didn't respond
>suddenly dead
>paralyzed by eyeball

Why amulet of clarity is removed, again ?

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I'm at the vibrating sauqre

Everything is prepared

I'm going to take the book from the wizard

I've gotten this far in Nethack

>>149750642
clarity never blocked paralysis
you're thinking of stasis

>>149750742
good luck

the first time i got that far I didn't notice Rodney stealing my amulet and I left the dungeon without it

then i went back to just playing crawl and pcb

>>149750610
This makes you pretty set to go extended btw. rN+++ plus Gr plus Warlock's(it reflects fucking malmutate!) is very solid, assuming you have the other resists covered.
>>149750742
Good luck anon! What version/variant?

>>149750924
cool, yeah i'm looking forward to trying extended as long as i don't splat to something stupid in snake pits/vaults. should i wait for an eveningstar and brand it with holy wrath? still using a +0 morningstar because i don't want to waste any ?enchant weapon yet

>>149751209
Eveningstar may be a long way coming if it even spawns at all. Better to bless a demon whip.

>>149750924
alt.org 3.6.0

>>149751284
haven't found a demon whip either, those usually start showing up around depths right? all i've got available now is a shitload of whips/morningstars and a great mace, but i don't wanna give up the shield

>>149751431
Well it sounds like you're doing okay so far.
You could wait. You could also just spend the enchants on your best 1H mace, then make sure to check Elf:2 Hall of Blades for an eveningstar once you've finished Depths and V:1-4. Then bless either the eveningstar or the nicest dwhip.
Blessing adds some enchantment and even a +3 holy eveningstar is quite good.

>>149751660
ah, i just realized i have 10 fucking scrolls so yeah i'm gonna burn some on this morningstar of protection

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>>149751579
>filename

So, how do you kill Dispater as a Vehumet DEFE blaster ?

He's immune to most element and I'll run out of MP before I can kill him with Iron Shot / Fire storm.
Has teleported and wasted several tele scrolls several times.

It seems crawl is much easier if you play as pure melee dude.
I don't recall any experience where I'm wrecked as meleedude with TSO against panlords / hell lords.

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SO EARLY

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>>149752683

>>149752516
Last time I was a caster I just cast tornado and chucked crystal spears at him while on drugs.

>>149752516

You must have Apportation by now. Just haste, blink towards the rune steal it and teleport away.

>>149752796
kek

>>149752516

It's because you're still a skrub with poor planning skills.

>>149752796
that's my face when riding ringle

>>149752516
>FIghting Dispater as a caster
>No shatter
>No tornado
>No apportation
Nigga, just get that rune. You gotta drown him in bobs.

>>149755247
>Ringil
Blue balls.

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Where the hell do I get cmuts? I only found 3 so far and I already got all 5 runes here in Pan. Should I stay or nah? I don't think I can handle hell at this rate

>>149755702
First 10 levels of a zig can be pretty safe and have good odds on giving you a few Cmut.
Nice chei-tier defenses by the way.

>>149755702
Swap to Zin.

>>149756124

But the only zigg I saw was blocked by glass walls that I can't break

>>149756368
You haven't found /Digging or /Disintegration?
Unlikely.
If they are actually unbreakable, try using all the stairs and chutes/hatches on the level above and below.

>>149756368
tomb has a guaranteed zig figurine if you're in .18 or trunk

>>149756483

They're the variants that's as tough as stone walls but are see-through like glasses

>>149756797
Okay then do the other thing.

>>149750419
>>149750924
Does warlock's mirror reflect hellfire too? Or smiting?

>>149757135
No.
Things it doesn't reflect:
>smite-targeted abilities
>AoE abilities that don't rely on a bolt (so IMB, yes, Fireball no)
I think that's about it.

>>149757135
Anything beam related.

How many good mutations can a character have before making benemut pots ineffective?

Does lichform make me immune to mutations like mummies/vamps/ghouls?

>>149757869
Yes.

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>>149757910

good thing I invested some exp there then

>>149758110
how the fuck does a notchei have that much ac and ev

do you have the unrand +8 rings

>>149755459
Just tried Tornado in wizard mode.
This spell is fucking broken.

Usually when I'm surrounded I positioned myself with Controlled Blink (8 MP) and used Firestorm (9 MP).
That's great against enemies without fire resistance.
But I have plenty of problems against fire-immune enemies.
Previously, I tried to use Shadow Creature or Iron shot to kill them.

With Tornado, I can cast it anywhere, it's like tabber's equivalent of Cleansing Flame.
Just go to Dis:7, with Tornado my MP is never below Maximum.
Fire-immune enemies ? Cast tornado, walk away, watch them die and your MP is reset to max.
Tornado really doesn't give a fuck about enemies' resistance.

>>149753303
Yeah, I admit I'm still a noob when I play a caster

>>149755459
Never tried shatter before, is it as good as Tornado ?

>>149753092
Yeah, I forgot I can just steal the rune.
I even has Controlled Blink mastered.

Also, is it a good idea to have summon as backup ?
I tried this in Wizmode and Summon horrible things can easily kill Dispater.

>>149758741

What? That's the normal defense stats of a lategame melee fighter, except the bad hp because Tengu.

>>149759072
>36 str
>24 dex
but how

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>>149759156
>36 str

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One wrest wish is all I'm getting for my efforts.

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>>149759303
Are you wishing for a plump butt like the Amy?

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>>149759156

Oh, that. I have a total of Str+10.

>>149759303
jesus

is there something that can drain its charges or was it just generated like that as a huge fuck you?

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>>149759072
No, it's really not.

>>149759492
generated like that; not that I'm in need of wishes at this point, but might just as well go for a magic marker.

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>>149759556

>relying on avg

Unreliable. I haven't even maxed any defense skills yet

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Not even learndb has this shit, what the hell is it and how does it evolve.

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>>149759891
Here's the median then.

No anon, most post-endgame characters do not have >36 AC/EV at the same time.

>>149760080
more AC the lower % your hp is

>>149760191

>median(ev)=24
>median(sh)=6

Those are stats of casters wearing some shit buckler and didn't put a single point in Dex

>>149760080
>>149760285
specifically its +6/9/12 AC if you're under 66% hp and nothing otherwise

also surpressed if you're in a bloodless form

>>149760417
i think the SH avg/median includes all the wins with a 2hand weapon and 0 sh

>>149760417
No, they aren't.
I should have added Kiku to exclusions as well, but oh well.
24 EV is the EV of someone wearing high encumbrance armour with reasonable STR and DEX.
0 SH is the SH of someone wielding a holy executioner's axe.

How do i configure my RC in trunk so that i always start on Manual Skilling mode on a specific skill only?
Also, is there a way to add any ammo to the gree-cornered-always-picked-up items?

>tfw had a black scales, frozen envelope Demonspawn with orange crystal plate and 73 AC, 20 EV and 30 SH on offline tiles and still managed to splat in hell because I suck

>>149760617
Manual skilling is easy.
default_manual_training = true
Add that to your rc.
Other than that you have to write a function that opens the skill menu on turn 0.
function set_skills()
if you.turns() == 0 then
crawl.sendkeys("m")
return
end
Something like that. Might need another end, not too familiar with lua.

>>149760758
lol
You suck more than your mother sucks cock haha.

>>149760758
No, it's because Torment, hellfire and hell miscast effects are horrible.
Plus, you can't worship TSO, so your damage output is "halved".

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>>149760993
>burns you terribly!!!

>>149761109
True that
Freezing cloud immunity made cocytus a cakewalk and I tabbed Antaeus to death but the rest was pure misery even with torment resistance mutation (why the fuck is it 50% chance to nullify instead of actual immunity like undead?)

>>149760758
Wait, you too? That's exactly wsat my setup was as well, only i splatted due to a random teleport landing me in the middle of hellion island

>>149761109

>hell miscast effects

So that was why I got bombarded by Contamination that made me chug 10 potions of cancel in those 4 branches. I thought my luck was being autistic or something

would you rather be forced to win every race as a berserker, or as a chaos knight?

>>149764647
Berserker, so i can actually complete it in my lifetime

>>149764725
Chaos Knight. I can just ditch if I want to play another god.

>>149764940
But that ruins the point of it

>>149764959
Anon should have expressed his choice with more constrictions in that case.

>>149733273
>it's actually a thing
Someone needs to tell these faggots that content is not a zero sum game.

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Is this an old hell effect? I'm actually getting petrified at MR5 and it's happening reeaaal often what the fuck. I think I'm gonna destroyed here if it happens at the wrong time, this is bullshit

>>149765112
>more constrictions
ok

would you rather have to beat every naga background, or every octopus background

>>149765461
dont you have any !cancel

you can drink it while petrifying to... uh... "cancel" it

>>149765510
Nice.

>>149765587

I don't since I drank them all pre-lichform since cmuts hate me in this run.

>>149760425
Imagine getting that and augmentation.

>>149765841
But you want to stay at high HP with aug, not be low. Aug benefits most from powered by death, while blood armor seems like it'd be good with powered by pain

>>149766067
Yeah, the point is that it'd be a shitty combination. There aren't any other muts I'm aware of that have an anti-synergy like that.

>>149765461
>Finger necklace without a third ring
>Carrying around that much jewelry
>Carrying around aquirement scrolls when you don't have /HW
>Not using the double sword of chaos

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Shit I almost got killed by that silly teleportitis

>>149766634

I'll bring only one ring with a macabre necklace next time just for your pleasure

>>149768024
Maybe we should keep one -Tele ring just in case we get teleportist from Orb of Fire.

how are Felid Transmuters supposed to kill Panlords n shieet with that beyond help Str stat?

>>149769128
Go Chei.

How come rF, rC, and rN are the only resistances that come in rX- on artifacts?

>>149768815
-Tele does not prevent teleportitis, only cTele, blink and cBlink
>>149769424
Because -rCorr is the same as *corr, -rMut is the same as untreated *contam and -rPois was removed
Also there are some with MR-

>>149769867
>-Tele does not prevent teleportitis
That's pretty dumb.

>>149769207

I plan to do this with a Jiyva but how exactly do jellies eating items work? Never played using that God before.

>>149770267
That's DCSS for you

>>149698929
Is it possible to play Elona just as a trader and wander around making bank as a cute elf girl with her cute elf sister?

>>149737095
Literally take off your shirt.
And preferrably try and fail at stabbing a raccoon until you get a skill up.

>>149764725

Ohhh, so you can play a DEBe?

>>149764647
I already won a Ck so

>>149771108
yes but you'll have to create a "sister"

>>149771927
>Implying DECk is better

>>149771927
>DEBe
Elves (both deep and high) make stronger-than-you'd-think meleedudes, anon. They have good dodging and longblades aptitudes, and they also have good invo and evo aptitudes if you're playing spellless.

They're not anywhere near minotaur tier, but they're much closer in difficulty to Hu than Mu.

Whatever I put in my init.txt (i.e. the file that is listed on the startup screen as having been read), my options are ignored. What the fuck?

>>149773265
Are you sure the lines are uncommented?

>>149773609
Yes.

I've been gone for half a year, maybe more.

What did I miss, what's new, whats the roguelike of the month, what else did they remove from DCSS?

>>149770490
All G and J become neutral to the player, and also become 'hungry' in that they seek out mundane items on the floor to eat. As of recent versions they also eat items randomly on other levels (than the one you are on) iirc.

You get an ability to temporarily pause jelly movement in case you see some loot you want, though.

Jellies eating items also give you nutrition and healing with sufficient piety.

>>149775075
Not sure then. If you have it in the right location and the lines aren't commented they should be read. Pastebin it maybe?

>>149775705
Er, that should read non-artefact, rather than mundane. All items that jellies normally eat.
Also bear in mind random jelly spawn.

There should be an unrand body armour for draconians.

>>149775889
http://pastebin.com/WZcu5g2h

>>149771108
That's probably the most popular way of playing Elona. I've never even been in the plot dungeon.

>>149776653
Playing offline? Where are you putting it?

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your ass is grass rodney

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how fucked am I?

>tfw still no MR+ gear

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>>149777120
oh that wasn't so bad

>>149776653
Are the regular options not being recognized either or just the function you've got in there?

>>149777076
/usr/share/stone-soup/data/settings/init.txt i.e. the file that is being read for configs by the client according to the client.

>>149777120

>Being worried about Abyss at XL 20 while worshipping TSO

>>149777252

>Not going for the rune

Wew

>>149777430
The regular options aren't being recognized either, otherwise I could simply assume it's because of the scope or something like that.

>>149777120
>gargoyle of tso

enjoy your 15 runes

Let's say I'm a Wz who has to choose between either bolt of cold + freezing cloud or ball lightning + airstrike, what's the right thing to do? Got rE.

>>149778164
Air combo if post lair, cold combo if pre-lair

>>149778164
airstrike damage against non-flying shit always felt shitty to me

such is the price of smite targeting, i suppose

>>149778424
Done Lair down to 5, 6 has Kirke and my MR sucks, so I fucked out of there.

>>149777481
Did you install it using your package manager?
I'm afraid that I am not familiar with that system.

Regardless, I suggest asking on ##crawl-dev on freenode. They are usually very quick to answer and will be more help than /rlg/ certainly. Saves you more headache.

>>149779063
Ball lightning, though?

>>149780954
Ball lightning is outstanding with rElec and terrrible without.

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>using new Nem
>draw from escape deck
>The Exile
>HAHA! TIME TO BANISH TO THE SHADOW REALM!
>I get banished to the Shadow Realm instead

This wasn't part of the plan, m8.

>>149781059
Air it is then. I've been forced to train armour, fighting, dodge etc. to make up for starting spells, so I can survive the noise factor.

>>149777481
as far as I'm aware it looks at ~/.crawlrc on linux or unix-based OSes

>you hear a distant slurping noise x10
I want this meme to end.

>>149777662
>>149777535
dang, should i go for abyssal rune or try V:$?
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/audkyrie/audkyrie.txt

>>149781221
Only if such a file exists. The client says precisely which file it's looking at for init, with the complete path.

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I was about to get mad Sticks to Snakes made ball pythons SEVEN FUCKING TIMES but everything's alright

Does a ring of fire (the jewelry, not the spell) improve Firestarter's Inner Flame effect?

>>149783842
I don't think so, but it's probably a good idea to use one with firestarter anyway for the extra rF pip if you don't have it

>>149729924
>opening roond doors

F A U L T
A
U
L
T

>Vampire assassin of Gozag
This is literally anti-optimal but man it's probably my best vampire run so far. I actually have to consider what to stab and how to approach monsters, and bat form comes in handy if stabbing them fails.

>>149783842
no it doesn't

it provides a spellpower boost to fire spells, not just a boost to fire damage

so e.g. it would increase the duration of the Ring of Flames spell, or improve the chance for Inner Flame to beat MR
(or increase Fireball's damage)

dcss is shit
but I can't stop playing it

>>149785524
Play Sil, DoomRL, or IA.

>>149786150
advertise sil to me
why is it good

i mean other than the fetish benefits of constantly being double-teamed in hallways by packs of big strong orcs

>>149775285
they removed all the fun stuff and made the game tedious as fuck piperun

does eating the whizzard of yendor count as cannibalism?

>>149788453
It's shit but this shit-taste fag has been trying to shill it hardcore in every thread.

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>>149777104
I believe in you, anon.

>>149788453
>>149793618
Not the original guy, but I liked Sil for its simplicity. It was nice to not have to manage a humongous inventory of items and just have to rely on what abilities you had and to pick your fights carefully. Never got a very long way in it, but I blame the harsh levelling system for that.