/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>148652447
It means only use one smelter for melt orders.

>>148659282
A stack of 5 (bone), an unforbidden stack of 1, or 25 per crossbow iirc. If you're making dense traps, give a bunch more people the mechanic labor. Once you finish arming set skill brackets on a couple mechanic workshops and leave make mechanisms on repeat to train them up.

>>148665043
When you code it and not a day before fampai.

Use custom professions to assign what you have them do and use nicknames to note special things like prefers steel, prefers x piece of armor, has high siege engineering or a really high agility/str/willpower/recuperation/etc. You can also use profession for general assignment and add mods to the nickname list. Use hauler for your noncombat dumpster bin and recruit for your combat dumpster bin. Reassign and rename anyone you need from that labor pool. You can train pretty much everything from scratch so it's not so much that you need to assign a skilled dorf to fill a hole from a death but that you just need to assign anyone.

>>148668323
Drop some craft shops and make a bunch of shit as fast as you can and you should be able to get enough dosh together. You can also mass produce your mechanisms and masonry furniture and sell the useless crap. It's not as lucrative though.

Always look on your neighbor screen on the embark planner and plan accordingly. Taking a proficient stone bone and/or wood crafter(s) paired with a gem cutter and a gem setter will provide you with a shit ton of 50 buck crafts and totems to trade if you can keep them supplied. You can also take platinum on embark with a metal crafter to make 40k out of crafts with charcoal and if you rush magma or take a lot of coal you can make a lot on maps with fire clay/kaolinite and sand+good tree density with clear glass. You can then decorate with bone, cut cheap gems, cut stone, and cut green glass to up value.

Or just take a bunch of sand, coal, sweet pod seeds, milk, and rpck nuts on embark. Make green glass corkscrews to sell, gather plants in the caverns, disable brewing sweet pods, use the bags to process bushes to leaves, make the milk into cheese and process pods to syrup. Skill up making biscuits then cheese caravans with roasts.

What you're aiming for is able to put out about 40-70k in trade goods in time for the second dwarven caravan. You can buy about that much in ores, bars, wood, gems, kaolinite, meltables then turn around and make about 50% more value with a good gem cutter, gem setter, bone carver, and metal crafter.

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>Fire blob forgotten beast shows up
>Don't have constructed floor firebreaks up yet
>Have to burrow everyone inside and station my guards praying that my bait Giant Olm and 15 marksdwarves can handle it
>Swamp titan shows up, Whole surface guard is out of place cause they're inactive for post-caravan hauling
>They get there in time and kill it
>Come back to the cavern
>FB's missing
>So are my entrance cage traps???
>There's a patch of fire clay where the FB dies
YEEEEEEEEEEEES!

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progress

When their training is active the damn dorf spend too much of their time socializing, dancing, praying etc. How do I make them stay in the barracks during the active months?

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>>148662014
Yeah, they can turn their back, as an adventurer you can't, so for us if you have your shield out it is 100% block rate, for others they have to be at least pointing at the dragon (you can check by grabbing control of them and pulling up stealth view) before it will work.

>>148674772
>habbening.gif

>>148675798
Make sure they're set to train in the barracks? Are you sure they aren't just finishing their socializing

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>>148674772
>all that work before he releases magic and mythos

>>148674772
hyped as fuck. but this is going to take a fucking age to come together, isn't it? a year or more I have to think, to my untrained eye this looks way bigger than the tavern update

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>DF ripoff about to make millions
>Tarn still relies on donations

>>148661894
Did you read the combat reports to see if they were blocking it? It could be that the dragonfire rework is causing it to heat up the ground a lot more now. It almost certainly is, since it's heating up everything else.

>>148673997
Put a grate down before something grows over it.

>>148676861
already dropped a paved road that's magma proof. I'm determined to save my child.

>>148677361
You can gather clay through a grate, but not through a road. Assuming that's what you're excited about.

>>148676553
It's pretty clear that he's happy simply making a living off of it. He's stated that it's his life's work, and I know from personal experience that financial success has nothing to do with "life's work".

>>148676139
Its gonna be hard to give the fan base a magic system that can live up to the hype, Im ok with Toady having time to investigate, read suggestions and go 3 months to live with an african shaman to know how magic and the divine works if he needs to to make a great system

>>148670659 →
lel true, Seems kinda of if you could pop up on your god's house while he's sleeping and stab him to death

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>>148677878
Nerd fite

>>148676553
Really though, how fucking sour would you be if you paid 10+ bucks for this shit?

>>148678284
I'd be angry if I paid for one of the df-alikes and then found df afterwards.

>>148678284
I was tempted to buy it for awhile, but I've gotten good enough at DF that I just don't see the point. Maybe if I had money to blow I'd do it just to play sci-fi DF-lite

>>148678117
>The next released version will actually be magic
>Playing the game in the new "Reality" gamemode causes things to happen in the real world
>Toady disables the mode again after some chucklefuck tunnels down into Hell, causing the world to end

How can I decide my site's size in adventure mode?
I literally have no idea, wiki doesn't help

>>148680176
Can't.

>>148676553
What game are you talking about?

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>>148681219
well, there's gotta be a way
At least do we know why a site appears with a certain size when it is formed?
>>148680139
>Toady visits /x/
>gets fascinated by rune and written magic in general
>The new code for the magic release has a spell that makes the player's dwarves able to pray for his god to make bad things happen to the player if he has treated them badly
>mfw all those mass killing children summer holydays in front of their mothers

>be noob me
>decide to make walls and floors around the entry stairs to make it stand out more
>have a bad feeling about floors covering the stairs
>yep, the dwarves who are outside can't get in
>migrants approach
>the dwarves outside can't mine because no picks
>can't make up stairs
>destroying the floor doesn't help
>migrants start retreating from society
>abandon fortress to ruin

>>148681427
rimworld, presumably

>Gather plants
>Brew them
>Cook the seeds
>Occasionally get some animal action.
>Have 0 farmers still like 8 years later
Feels gud

>Have 7 blind cave ogres I can't do anything about
>2 tamed voracious cave crawlers
>2 I needed for a breeding pair get punched out by ex-soldier haulers mucking about the cavern
>Out of the 10-20 best case if aren't already dead, 4 are gone from the regional population
Fffffffuuuuuck.

>>148682554
>have a bad feeling about floors covering the stairs
Really.
>the dwarves outside can't mine because no picks
Your dwarves inside had picks though, right?
>can't make up stairs
Why not?
>destroying the floor doesn't help
Then you did it wrong.
>migrants start retreating from society
That's a strange mood. He wanted to make an artifact.
>abandon fortress to ruin
That's how you stay bad.

I know you said you're new, but that is a truly impressive constellation of fail nonetheless.

>>148682554
>>148684362
pretty savage desu, not even him
Even if he showed a cringy and anxious behaviour when confronted with a easy as fuck problem you dont need to be rude

>>148680176
3x3 default, smaller if butted up against another site, no control yet.

>>148684341
on the bright side, 7 ogres is good motivation to set up an auto-butchery machine so that some brave soul can make bolts or crafts out of the bones of sentients

>>148686316
i'm out of the dangerous bit of the game. I need quality over quantity. Really sour Toady never fixed shit so you can trade untamed creatures. Last week I was thinking of doing an animal trade fort next but there's so much evil shit I can't do dick with other than kill and eat.

Ugh. I can't do it. I can't build temporary lodgings at the start because I hate seeing those empty fucking holes later on.

I see reports about civilians being hit by members of the military, and I never see reports about members of military fighting anyone. Does anyone have an idea of what's happening.

>>148684017
how viable is plant gathering

>>148686715
Well, since you already channel out the soil layers for a tree farm, you can just put them in there. Or just take more miners and make them proficient and suck it up until you've dug down to the magma sea or picked out where you'll fort and pump, minecart, or piston it up to.

>>148686731
Probably getting bumped into during spars. They can also start fights if they're onery little shits.

>>148686853
Depends on where you embark. If you're on a desert or a glacier or something, you can supplement your food with cavern gathering if you're so inclined, but it won't be a significant source of food and drink for a mature fort. If you settle in a tropical jungle you can subsist entirely off gathering as long you put enough dwarves on it each summer. There are of course embarks that fall everywhere between those extremes.

>>148686914
>since you already channel out the soil layers for a tree farm
Why would anyone do that so early in their fort that they're talking about temporary lodgings?

>>148686853
100% depends on your biome. If you have a decent level of shrubbery you're good to do. If you trim your useless surface trees in biomes with a decent amount and harvest fruits and nuts you're gravy. I had like 2000 acorns at some point before I started cooking all my shit.

>>148687541
What, dig your exploratory shaft to know where the soil ends and hit the caverns. Once you know where the floor is to your soil you just channel out a little soil fort for your temp shops. Once you settle in you clear up the rest for faster rock mining and getting your plants and saplings going. It takes a good 4,5 years to really take off. Sooner begun sooner done and all that.

>>148686715
>hate seeing those empty fucking holes
>doesn't want his fortress to have abandoned rooms
>doesn't want his fortress to have entire condemned sections

>>148688159
>tfw all that retarded burrow job cancel spam so you can't make ghettos without full retard specialization.

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>toady will probably die within your lifetime

>>148687779
Tree farming is a vanity project that is almost never needed for a fort and has a devastating fps cost if you do it on a large enough scale to be useful.
You talk about it like it's something that every player does or ought to do, but it really isn't either of those things. It has limited utility, partially because by the time that it takes to get going you're not likely to have any great need for wood, but also because wood is so abundant and can be traded for cheaply in large quantities from any not-yet-dead civ. Plus, each cavern layer is already an embark sized tree farm. Last time I dug out a tree farm I ended up walling it off and flooding it with magma because I couldn't use the thousands of logs I already had fast enough, without ever having chopped a single tree in my farm.

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>>148688537
>DF will probably be finished in your lifetime

Able to import raw gems fucking WHEN toady.

>>148688737
Muh trainin' bolts
Muh civilian crossbows
Muh charcoal, ash, and pearlash

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>>148688537
>scamps WILL die in your lifetime
why live

>>148688737
>>148689110
Muh light barrels
Muh light large wooden pots
Muh light wheelbarrows
Muh nine gorillion light bins

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>>148689110
Consider the time it takes a treefarm to be productive and the low yields of mushroom trees. By the time you're 5 years into your fort you will have been able to acquire plenty of wood or bones for every civilian to have a crossbow many times over and most players will be drowning in copper for cheap bolts. You'll probably have magma or be in spitting distance of having it, greatly reducing the need for charcoal (if you need it all; it's a slow player who hasn't outfitted their military in steel or adamantine already at that point). If you don't have surface wood to feed what need you have for ash and pearlash, you can trade for more wood each year than most tree farms will ever produce. If you can't trade for some reason, you can wall off an enormous section of the caverns in the 3 years you're waiting for that very first sapling to come up. Caverns which will already be full of trees already and have saplings closer to sprouting than the saplings in your own farm.
I'm not saying players shouldn't tree farm anymore than I'm saying they shouldn't beekeep. But it's about as valuable an endeavor as beekeeping, and certainly shouldn't be a priority in a young fort. It's something to do after you're established and have labor (and fps) to spare on things that aren't going to have much payoff beyond the fun of doing it.

>>148669496
>that map
When is Toady going to properly emulate plate tectonics?

>>148692551
after bumblebee beekeeping

>>148692763
Life goals. Bumblebee man army.

>>148690667
Ever since the new tree rules I've had a ridiculous surplus of wood.

>>148676553
Tarn is an artist who doesn't seek wealth.

That said the government should send him a grant regardless.

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>locate the third cavern layer
>everything is dead
>crundle corpses littered everywhere, with a larger cave monster here and there
>very carefully carve fortifications around the place
>finally find two blinking, named corpses, a 'W' and an 'F', lying side by side
>forgotten beasts
I guess they killed everything in the cavern, and finally each other.

>>148695020
Yeah, last heavily forested embark I did I had 3 legendary wood burners making ash on repeat. They still couldn't keep up with the wood just from the maintenance chopping to keep trees off my walls.

How the fuck do waterwheels work? I can place it on a brook wherever, but it doesn't turn. It's taking water from the correct direction

>>148698337
Doesn't work on a brook. Needs to be over actual water tiles.
You can channel out a brook and the wheel should work after that.
It's built on empty space, so it needs to be supported from the side by an axle or a mechanism.

>>148690667
Soil is ezpz free mining skill and not that 130 imported wood a year isn't significant but you'll use a good 7-15 logs of bolts per squad per fight and more on sieges or arena clears. and archery targets chew through them as anyone who mains bone bolts can attest. That's on top of your 300 or so bins and 200 or so mix of barrels and large wood pots. Maybe it's a 43.04 bug but log harvests while larger than they used to be are never as big as that initial clearcut.

>>148697491
How romantic.

>>148698550
I can confirm from my campstruction experience that the regrowth is always thinner than the initial trees, even when they look the same size.

>>148698550
>200 or so mix of barrels and large wood pots
Is there a good reason not to just use stone pots?

>>148699038
because large green glass pots are way sexier

>>148699038
Muh weight
Muh syrup
Muh Platinum and aluminum everything

>>148699038
They're a little heavier. Not by a significant enough amount that you should resort to tree farming if you're short of wood for some reason.

>>148698550
Wood bolts are useless in fights, and as I noted above, most players will have copper or silver in abundance by the time a tree farm has started to produce what meager production you'll get from it. As for bins, there's no reason to use that many. Bin bugs are a fucking plague on this game, and they should only be used for things that you'll never ever need for anything but trade if you want to avoid them. Pots can be made from other materials if you don't have enough wood (somehow), and syrup going into meals will turn those barrels over quickly unless you want to stockpile it en masse for some reason. And I'll reiterate, if you must have wood for any of those purposes, tree farming is the least effective way to supply that wood. I can hypothesize a perfect storm of bad conditions that will make tree farming the only option for wood, but I've never encountered those conditions in dozens (hundreds?) of forts in the 8 years I've played DF.
Again, I'm not saying players shouldn't tree farm. I'm saying it's not a useful thing to apply your labor to in an early fort.

>>148700975
They add up but their main benefit is letting you train them to legendary then reassign them metal bolts. There's no need to piss all that metal away even if after you finish armoring up your army, militia, and haulers you get ~100 weapons grade bars to work with.

I need fucking caravans and stuff in adventure mode pls

>>148701503
>tfw can't form a band of gypsies stealing everything then packing it your caravan to go elsewhere to peddle and steal more shit
>tfw no qt3.14 and a goat farm in the hills

How do I have the best fish fort experience /dfg/?

What are some cool things to help make df fun again?

>>148695389
Do you ever think he'll make chests hold powders?

>werethings
how do you get rid of those fuckers without traps? I've been getting caught in the beginning of my forts with maybe 10 dwarves when werestuff shows up

>>148701503
>sign on as a caravan guard
>skirmish with bandits that try to ambush the caravan between towns
>have ongoing philosophical debates with the other caravan members
>pass the time in towns playing music and drinking with the locals and other guards
>help the caravan hire new guards and mourn the ones that died during the trip
>head out again into an entirely new environment

>>148701937
I don't know man. every ocean embark I've ever tried ended in boredom. it seems that 99% of the animals that spawn are seabirds rather than whales or anything interesting

>>148701209
I get what you're saying, and I usually don't use my silver for that. But copper? I'm sure as hell not using it for furniture. I mean, if you can turn every bit of your copper into bronze you should, but that's usually not the case. Sometimes I'll turn it into rose gold just for the color, but regular gold is both plentiful and more valuable. By year 5 or 6 I'm almost always training with copper bolts and fighting with bronze or iron bolts. Sometimes even steel, if I've got the resources for it. If I have any wood bolts at that point I dump and destroy them, masterworks be damned, because it's bad for them to end up in a marksdwarf's quiver. It's a guarantee that they'll be ineffective when I want them killing. And prior to then I usually have so many bone bolts that I can't use them all anyway, so wood bolts are optional even before I'm rolling in sharp shiny stuff.

>>148701779
>>148702287
This is exactly why I want caravans.

>>148702713
I agree with this, but in recent forts I haven't even gone to the copper bolts for training stage, I've had so much bone lying around (especially since beak dog mounts were re-introduced) that even with the pathetically small stacks the workshop job produces AND having a hunter constantly using bone bolts, I've never come close to running out

>>148698476
so it's supposed to be hanging and won't work until 4/7 water is flowing through the zlevel below it?

>>148702192
You should be embarking with bronze ores for armor, some steel ores for weapons, once you're hitting around 40 dorfs you should be setting most migrants to train with melee or wrestling with 2 of your skilled soldiers to bootstrap sparring or give them crossbows with 2 hammer recruits, ample bolts and shoot shit up.

Alternatively, a long 2-z high (Use dig upward ramp) hall of raising spear traps with restrained animals and wood doors in the side walls. A battery of ballistas, catapults helps somewhat as does making a supported plug for cave-in's on demand, channel the sides with lead block floors and upright spears, winding dodge traps with a fuckload of crossbow users.

Generally with your fortress design try to have it so that nobody has to go near or outside your outermost perimeter and at that point you want to restrain some animals, build a lot of wood doors, and have squads training in a barracks that anything coming by has to pass through.

So I guess to answer your question uh, use raising spear traps. Use them as part of a dodge trap for additional effectiveness from multiple trips if it's not a flier.

>>148702713
Eh, if my site has copper I like to put every non-critical dorf in civilian squads without a barracks wearing a copper helm, mail shit, leather armor, gauntlets, bone greaves, high boots, the usual additional leather cover, wood shield and a copper crossbow with 500 wood bolts or a pick if they're a miner. Building a good hoard of 75x[marksdorf] metal bolts per enemy entity in range. I like to double up jobs and offset active by 3 months so they get a little training in. Then I'll start moving trained soldiers into them a couple years down the road as my military matures. I burn through a good 1200 copper like nobodies business.

I dunno, maybe cause I usually only do 1x1 embarks? I'm just itchy about shit.

>DF2020
"Why the fuck is this merchant ship from the human civ across the haunted sea taking so long?"
>A vile force of darkness has arrived!
>Undead/mutant sailors spill out onto your docks, slaughtering haulers at the trade depot and sending your broker into the waves where the named giant kraken lives

>>148702287
It'd be kind of cool to be able to form a band of mercenaries and eventually be able to hire people to follow simple shit like tend to my farm and maintain these item quotas back at the camp.

>>148703654
>Not having airlocked depots
>Not having a high percentage of haulers so you can rapidly haul and dump shit out

>>148703137
Caravans will probably come in as a way of getting money and travelling around for adventurers.
Or robbing.

>>148702192
Traps won't help with werebeasts. They're trap avoid. Bring a military dwarf or two with you at embark, get them training around when the first migrant wave arrives, set watch animals. When a werebeast shows, just send the nearest military dwarf after it. Fully armored dwarves with a little training under their belt can typically 1v1 a werebeast pretty easily. Metal armor is, at the very least, almost a guarantee that your dwsrf won't get infected, and makes them deathproof against most things that aren't armed. Only the biggest werebeasts are a threat if you put in a small amount of preparation. The biggest danger comes from unarmored civvies jumping into the fight. A civilian alert burrow will take care of that.

>>148702192
>>148705475
>set watch animals
this is the biggest thing, in my experience
keep a group of dogs, wagon animals, and whatever pets your first immigrant wave brings some ways outside your fort's entrance.
it's entirely likely that in the time it takes the werebeast to kill them all, it'll revert back to human/elf/whatever form, but even if it doesn't, it should give you enough time to wall off temporarily from inside
and like anon says a civilian alert is a must

Can I play as a snakeman priest with an axe now?

>>148706425
There's no way to join the clergy yet.

How do I join a bandit camp and what sort of stuff will I be tasked to do if I can?

>>148707273
I've never done it before, but my understanding is that you need to talk to the ringleader and ask to be their hearthsperson, similar to serving a lord. Not sure what they ask you to do, but it's safe to assume it will be some manner of violent dickery.

>>148707119
Damn.
I'm gonna start playing Dwarf Fortress again when the game lets me create my own cult of axe-wielding snakemen.

>>148707552
Ah I see, good to know. I've been interested in banditry and was wondering if there were brigand-specific quests available.

If I have my Archers 1 Z level higher than the enemy, How does that affect my Archers accuracy and vision? Is it better or objectively worse and not worth it?

>>148707624
Check back you when the myth update hits, maybe?
If it doesn't happen then it will probably be years.

>>148708295
it will probably be years before the myth update hits anyway

>>148708153
They won't be able to fire on targets directly in front of them 1z down, but they'll otherwise have the same (or close to the same) range. And you'll get the benefit that melee troops won't be able to reach them. Until they run out of bolts and climb down to bludgeon them with their crossbows, but that's another issue entirely.

>>148708515
Unfortunate that bug still exists, Thanks though senpai.

what attributes affect poetry? The wiki isn't saying. Does Musicality?

>>148707701
There should be but they behave weirdly at best, I haven't gotten them to work at all, though I recall someone saying they had.

How do you sort items in the haul to trade depot menu by value as opposed to distance? I'm pretty sure I had a noble for it earlier (and everything else) but he went berserk so I had to make changes.

>>148708873
Speaking for reciting, linguistics (I assume) for writing it.

>>148709008
Never mind, it was my appraiser.

>>148708906
Did he say what kind of quests there were?

>>148708873
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Attribute#Attributes_trained_by_skills
Search on poet

>>148710292
Start trouble/harass people, the usual kill quests for stuff bandits care about (things you get called a hunter for, usually), I think Toady said there is supposed to be a "rob/mug people" quest but he doesn't think it is given out to players currently.

What's some fun or exotic shit to do /dfg/? What helps you stand at full mast night after night?

I see DFhack is out of date, how nasty are current and old fortress mode bugs?

With vert axles, do they travel 1 zlevel down as well as up? do you place them on an open space next to your gears and then build a gear on top of that to move power up a z level?

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Armok preserve me.

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Alright, so apparently what caused my dorf to die yesterday was him taking down a wall that had nothing on it and that had soil underneath.
I don't get it.

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>I know! I'll embark to the deserts. Make a fort that raises giant jaguars and giant desert scorpions!
>As of 42.04, giant desert scorpions have been removed, with plans to bring them back in a future update.

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Is there a better feeling than a stockpile of metal ores?

>>148716028
1 tile dump of metal ores?

>>148716229
absolutely disgusting

>>148716229
But muh fps. Shit wigs out when I start getting a big pile of shit in one tile.

>>148676065 >>148676714
They were blocking it up to five times in a row. Actually, after some extra testing I found out they it was not dragonfire what got them, but blood coating which started boiling. Fucking brutal.

Here goes another attempt to get into this game, /dfg/, wish me luck.

>>148716886
Metal as fuck.

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>>148718313
May you and your Elk herd face pleasant seasons

>>148718746
Thank you, dorf. LNP or Vanilla for starting out?

>>148719102
Just go LNP because it has DFHack already in + you can choose from several tilesets

>>148719102
Vanilla. The LNP is nothing you can't do yourself and using the LNP as a crutch makes you reliant on people when you don't need to be.

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>>148719102
If you start with LNP you won't be able to play without LNP.
If you start with vanilla you can always play the latest version of the game, and can add stuff from LNP later if you like.

>Kaolinite is 3 points a piece or 12 for 4 pieces
>Silver nuggets are 40
>Both are mat value 10
Nice, though you can't make porcelain battleaxes to sell.

>>148719313
>>148719342
>>148720492
Thanks, /dfg/
I think I will do my best to start out full on vanilla.

>>148720758
No dude, we just want you to read the shit so you know how to get your aquare tileset/graphics pack, dwarf therapist, dfhack and shit. Waiting for some fat cheeto dust caked fuck to follow the same step by step how to install instructions that are on the wiki/forum page is stupid.

>>148721112
I already decided to do all that without waiting for a pack, but after I familiarize myself with Vanilla.

hooray

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>larger embarks are possible now without dipping down to 3fps

Is it possible to check if evil biome is reanimating without embarking?

>>148724752
Adventure mode, I guess? Pretty sure DFhack can

How does my adventurer learn new poemz? Can an elf learn doerf poems? I noticed they had zero reaction whatsoever to hearing my elvish poetry.

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>reanimating savanna embark
It's time

>>148712958
Axels are basically pillars

Figure out the rest from there

I miss my old laptop with i5 on it
Now I'm stuck with a cheap laptop with a fucking A4 in it and I can't fucking play df

>>148676553
>20k sales on steam
Obviously a lot of people purchase off his website, but he hasnt made millions.

Even Factorio did better than that.

>>148712958
To move power up one level, you build a gear, and then build a second gear on top of it in open space. Gears transfer power in all six orthogonal directions.
They have a higher power loss than axles, though, so if you are moving power more than one level, you should place vertical axles between the gears. Vertical axles transfer power only up and down.

>Build mega fortress
>visit in adventure mode
>this is going to be great
>
>no one is at there posts
>military not following schedule at all
>everyone stand around randomly on the surface, throwing up from cave adaptation
Why?

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>>148724371
>It will still end up at 3 FPS after a while

>>148734321
such is DF
if you had any animals (or dangerous things - FBs?) kept in pens, you can expect them to be wandering around randomly too

if you retire your adventurer and reclaim the fortress, expect chaos

How much does proper burrowing improve FPS? If I were to make parts of the fortress dedicated to metalsmithing, to farming, wood working etc... and constrict dwarves to only live there would that cut down on all the pathfinding?

How do burrows even affect pathfinding? Does the algorithm stop upon reaching the edge of a burrow?

>>148734818
You can gain 3-4 fps from my experience. Read the wiki, then read the wiki again.

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>>148734818
What is proper burrowing?
Iv only ever used burrows to get everyone inside when the invaders come. Won't they starve if left in a burrow to long?

>>148734460
>>148734321
I ran into my previous fort, and there were cats all over the refuse stockpile outside, just playing with the dead guys I guess. I actually ran into it by accident, I thought I'd swim into the fort through the river then saw grates blocking the water, I thought 'Wow, these generated forts are pretty smart' then realized a couple seconds later it was mine and the magic died, but it was still pretty fun to not intentionally find my fort. I usually end up making new worlds all the time, does anyone stick with a single world for years? Gotta imagine there's alot of history to those.

>>148735165
every burrow would have it's own food. That's what I did already with the metal industry. I built sleeping rooms, made a food stockpile, made a meeting room, smoothed out the stone and stuck three or four dwarves down there to extract strands, smelt stuff, smith and so on.

>>148735165
imagine a caste system in your fortress that is implemented geographically as well as activity-wise.

So for example this is the stone part of the fort, where all the stone workers live, work, eat/drink and sleep. They don't leave this area, because they're contained in it with a burrow, but all their needs are met by rooms and locations within this burrow.

So rather than a single massive tavern/bedroom layout etc that require dwarves to run through half to fort to get to it they live in a self-contained bubble of industrial efficiency.

>>148735580
Do soldiers on active duty have to respect civilian burrows? I mean, if I put someone in a burrow, than some time later recruit him, and he goes into active training, will he still be bound to his burrow or free to go to the barracks?

>>148735412
the longest I've stayed in a single world was ~25 years (3 forts, 1 adventurer)
I really liked that world because despite not being huge ("small," I think), it generated a huge expanse of evil but not reanimating plains which goblins had settled, meaning their civ had tens of thousands of ogres

nevertheless it got kind of dull since all the human civs were dead, the elves were locked away doing god knows what on the other side of the map, and the interesting megabeasts had all been killed by my adventurer. plus, having cave-adapted shitters migrating from your previous fort to new and complaining about whatever drove them out there (and the sun) gets old fast

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Not sure if the science is in on this but,
What weapon requires the lest physical ability to use?

Like how maces do more damage then warhammers in the hands of a very strong dwarf, but less damage then warhammers when used by weak dwarves.

What weapon does the most damage wielded by the weakest?

>>148737884
Battle axes are the best cutting weapon, which doesn't change much whether user is strong or weak, picks are similar but a bit more prone to get stuck in targets with weaker users.

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>>148738086
Cripple squads getting a fresh shipment of axes then. Thanks anon.

>>148735580
>They don't leave this area, because they're contained in it with a burrow
That's not strictly true. Burrows only restrict where a dwarf is allowed to take jobs, it doesn't stop them from going anywhere. Additionally, they're broken with respect to the new locations based jobs. They'll sometimes go hang out in taverns, temples and libraries that are outside their burrow when they're idle for both green and purple "jobs".

>>148735779
On duty soldiers ignore burrows except when they have a "defend burrow" order.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Burrow

>>148737884
Whips, scourges and daggers all have small material size, which makes them lighter. The former two also additionally have a good velocity modifier which makes up some for the loss of momentum from a weak or small dwarf using it.
The other guy is wrong, a battle axe's efficacy scales enormously with stronger users. The attack's momentum will largely determine how effective it is, and it scales linearly with the wielder's strength.

>>148738672
Except for military alert burrows which actually force dwarves to remain within them. I know because I left the surface of Cathelms open except for cage traps off and on for years, never lost a dwarf to them venturing up top and getting brained by a falling eagle to lay there vomiting in the blue roophie juice.

My niggaz have no water because it's winter and all sources are frozen. Is the only way to keep them alive brewing ale from plants and fruit?

>>148739150
dig to caves

>>148739040
A battle axe has sufficient edge properties and is far enough ahead of other slashing weapons (besides picks) that even with a weak user you need to get into superdwarvenly tough swordmaster territory for them to win out.

Yes, an axe lord will cleave a dragon in half flat out, but even a weaker user can lop heads off with one easier than a sword.

Axe: [ATTACK:EDGE:40000:6000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250]

Sword: [ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]

Pick: [ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:2000]

>late autumn
>ALMOST done cleaning up from last winter's goblin siege

>>148739514
The contact area and penetration value along with the size of the weapon set the minimum performance in most contests.

Axe: 800
Sword: 300
Pick: 500

So axes have more momentum and a larger area with greater penetration than a short sword slash, while a pick SLASH is twice the contact area/penetration/velocity of a short sword STAB before factoring in the extra 200 size.

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>>148739845
>So axes have more momentum and a larger area with greater penetration than a short sword slash
So are swords good for anything?

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_EDGE]
[NAME:edge:edges]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:EDGINESS]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:slice:slices:NO_SUB:2000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]

[PROFESSION_NAME:BROODING_LONGER:kid:kids] [PROFESSION_NAME:MASTER_BROODING_LONER:edge lord:edge lords]

>nuffin personal

>>148740138
Yes, for fucking me up because I was reading the raw for long sword while typing this: >>148740241 and didn't notice "brooding_longer" on that one instead of "brooding_loner" dammit.

They're only useful as a more versatile but less effective mix of axes and spears.

>>148740241
We can't set these yet sadly, but:
[PROFESSION_COLOR:BROODING_LONER:DARK_GRAY]
[PROFESSION_COLOR:MASTER_BROODING_LONER:BLACK]

>The edge lord slices the thread with his steel edge and the severed part sails off in an arc!
>Psh, nuffin personal kid.

>>148739150
>Is the only way to keep them alive brewing ale from plants and fruit?
You should've been doing that all along, so if you haven't been you should start immediately. The only dwarves who should ever drink water are babies and those recuperating from injuries in the hospital.

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Thought the clothier was fucked for sure when that gray "C" finally came out of the pool and charged at him. I mean, all he does is sew pretty silk robes.
Instead he sent the croc's teeth flying and punched it hard enough to mess up its insides.
If the militia get hurt while finishing it off I may develop some bad thoughts.

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Axes for general combat.
Spears for big bads.
Hammers for undead.

Did I get it right?
What weapon is the best when wielded by steroid dwarves?

>>148744026
more like
>clothier knocks the croc over
>it falls unconscious and is clearly beaten but he can't finish it off
>first militia member to show up on the scene one-shots it
>militia member walks off taking the credit, suffering no bad thoughts
>clothier who did all the work gets no credit and is loaded up with "vengeful" thoughts for months

>>148744870
don't forget picks, which are disturbingly amazing at taking down megabeasts and humanoids alike
I had a dwarf disable a bronze colossus with a (bronze pick) earlier

>>148746743
Will dwaves train with picks or do you train them by making them mine out entire Z layers?

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>>148747053
Just have them mine like a mofo and then when you set them to active duty you do a bit of micromanagement with the weapons and stuff until it works or just disable mining and have them full-time military skulldigger.

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>>148666075
a year later and it's still there. I think I'll just let them keep it
slightly embarrassing for them is that none of their squad recorded any kills in that siege, but I don't want to piss on their parade

>>148747053
I don't think they do properly. I've heard of people doing the latter but I don't bother, just throw them in a squad and make sure they do plenty of killing (animals, prisoners, whatever). I think the dodging/armor user etc. skills they get from regular training are enough to carry them through their first few sieges

>>148748243
Well it's definitely hilarious, especially if a necromancer comes by.

>hello legendary weaponsmith, would you like to create a half-decent weapon for your soldier husband to use in combat instead of that low-quality imported bronze crap he has right now?
>no thanks, got some reading to catch up on

>>148750610
>He's strong, he'll be fine, plus he can use our kid as a shie- oh shit.

Are goblin sieges still nonexistent?

are towers still the only source of fun?


Its annoying that all there seems to be is werebastards

>>148746518
I think he could have killed it if he hadn't run off the moment the croc collapsed from pain and overexertion. The punches were violent enough to cause organ trauma and whiplash-style damage.
Seems he also didn't feel anything about being in a fight but is rather euphoric because of the booze. He also feels bad because he saw the previous thread's mass murdering werepig ded.
Fucking lunatic, that one.

>>148751129
No, no, see first two answers.

>>148751129
>Are goblin sieges still nonexistent?
they never were, but they're dramatically less nonexistent now.

>>148751129
Personally I've never seen a goblin siege. The only thing that downs my fort is Forgotten Beasts/Werethings/etc single unit powerhouses. I'm not too keen on traps, siege weapons and other mechanic-related items and at most I'll have 2 squads on any given fort because even with 80 dwarves I feel like their work potential is too great to keep from producing. My chefs though generally make the most of my wealth in master food barrels

So I hear something is happening involving turkey?

I could use a sandwich.

>>148756135
>low population
>slower than necessary wealth production
>never sees sieges
>wonders why

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>>148756170
It is sad, but not unexpected.

>>148756593
I can vaguely remember hear a couple stories about a coup over there in the early 90's so it was weird seeing it pop up, looking around to see what was going on, and oh never mind it's over... go back to what you were doing... just gotta dispose of some scapegoats here.

>>148756170
The recent news from Turkey is that the monarch who recently came to power has been riling up the plebs who worship The Jihad of Kebab.
The military commanders rose to stop the ridiculous mandates, almost resulting in a loyalty cascade. The monarch is now throwing tantrums and some of the plebs have gone berserk.
I think they need some booze desu.

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>mfw Toady adds fatal lead, mercury, and arsenic poisoning but doesn't tell anyone

>>148757513
that's actually a good explaining
Of all things, what do you think will be the hardest stuff to implement about magic/myths? to make it realistic and satisfying?

>Only 2 immigrants arrive
I'm okay with this. I like having a small fort so I can actually manage every dwarf. What are the essentials to getting the most done with the fewest dwarves possible?

>>148757513
Fuck, that is actually a well dorfed explanation.

>>148758770
Realism I don't care about, plausible in universe is all that matters, and I think having an explanation for why specific aspects/properties of materials/artifacts are what they are will be satisfying but very difficult.

>>148759218
have 2-3 well-trained, extremely well-equipped military dwarves, and manage any larger threats with traps/magma/chokepoints or whatever.
don't bother with hunting or fishing, just use them to kill wild animals occasionally

since you don't need to produce a lot and you can get by with importing almost everything in terms of cloth/plant products, you can probably have one guy doing all of your farming labours
but don't bother with actual farming(fields), just use a herbalist and import a little bit of food

have lots of miner/engraver/haulers, since building things/clearing areas/etc. will probably be the biggest pain in the ass with a small population. you might want to consider giving them a few points in mining and engraving on embark just so that stuff is quicker early on and they have more time for hauling

keep things small, I guess. having everything close together is ideal, you don't have to worry about traffic nearly as much as you would with a big fort

>>148757521
Mercury and Arsenic aren't even in the game yet though.
The fact that Mercury is somehow liquid at room temperature boggles my mind.
Mercury pools in DF when?

>>148760170
Hmm, I kinda want to start over now and do this, make like a dorf tower to oppose a necro tower or something. Have my barracks at the bottom level and an archer or 2 on the 2nd level, dunno if an archer is worth getting. Isn't there a way to limit the amount of dwarves you can get?

>>148760458
I will feel great when alchemist manage to make potions for their kings using mercury and lead.
Well, I would be happy if alchemy had atleast one use

>>148760832
yep, d_init.txt
you can set a popcap (no. of immigrants), a strict pop cap (no. of immigrants and no. of births), a baby/child cap, a visitor cap, etc.

I love playing forts like this, but I usually end up abandoning them sooner than I want because
>there are long periods where nothing happens
>if you try to make something happen like building a megaproject or whatever, it will take fucking FOREVER because you have no haulers

>>148761224
I notice invaders can be up to 120 it seems, maybe I should turn that down to balance out

>>148762049
nah. you won't get a proper siege until you're over 80 pop anyway. I think you might still face child snatchers, but those are rare and usually in small groups (~10)

>>148762962
Will I still get significant attacks at least even if it's not a full siege? Don't wanna be playing ezmode

HOW DO I GET INTO THIS GAME JESUS

>>148763595
YOU HAVE TO STOP BEING A FAGGOT, MY SON, I WAS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS I THINK, OR MAYBE IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE, BUT EITHER WAY GOD HATES FAGGOTS SO DON'T DO THAT, THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF

>>148763184
not really. you'll get
>kobold thieves (if kobolds didn't get fucked up in your area)
>goblin snatchers (rare)
>werebeasts
>forgotten beasts
>titans (if you turn the minimum population down in advanced worldgen, I would recommend this)
>necro sieges (only if you're close to a tower, obviously)
as well as the obvious wildlife. maybe you could embark in an evil biome or on a cave entrance or something to make that a bit more of a challenge

>>148763749
thanks mayne, this could help

>>148763595
Play adventure mode, you'll get immediate feedback to all the new things you're learning rather than being overwhelmed by a new game AND fortress mode management on top of it. A graphic tileset might help you also.

>>148763595
try out new buildings, designations, labors, etc. and if you have no idea what something is/will do, then wiki it. Seriously, have no less than 10 df wiki tabs open at once if you're brand new. it takes a lot of failed forts to get a hang of what you're doing.

>tfw you just thought of making a macro to do your regular needs

>>148764076
NO PROBLEM MY CHILD, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHING YOURSELF EITHER, HAVE YOU

Are unmemorialized dwarven spirits drawn towards a temple when? I have like 3 ghosts chillin there, not hurting anyone (yet) and haven't seen any anywhere else. It could just be chance, but it sounds like it could be right-ish

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>>148763595
More seriously, handy little cheatsheet.

>>148765470
interesting, is it a general temple, or is there some theme?
would be neat if they hung around the temple of whatever deity they worshipped most fervently in life, or a death deity or something
could just be that it's a meeting area though

When I place beds in barracks do I have to assign them to the guys in the military?

>>148762962
Snatchers come alone, but you can sometimes get 2-3 in one season. You're maybe thinking of ambushes.

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>>148763595
Don't play adventure mode. Play fortress mode and follow this guide.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide

You will die before you even get a basic fort up and running so don't worry if you are not doing everything right. The fun comes from having each fortress get bigger and bigger before being destroyed by something you didn't know about.

>>148769000
right. they both exist again in the current version but are both really uncommon, I guess I lumped them together unconsciously

>>148768789
no, if you just assign them as a barracks and then tell the squad to sleep in the barracks, they'll figure it out on their own
granted I don't know why you'd do this, I don't think the 2-3 seconds of time they save not walking to the barracks from their room is better than the happy thoughts they get from sleeping in a great room

>>148769369
You've actually seen an ambush in .42+? Or have you just heard that?

>>148768789
I don't think so. You can select the bed you created the barracks "room" from, highlight a squad with the secondary select keys and press Z, T, I or Q to enable sleeping (Z), training (T), storing personal belongings (I) or squad equipment in the room (Q).
The squad's schedule may affect this too.

I keep getting alerts about some asshole canceling give water: needs empty bucket or give food: no food available. How do I make it stop?

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>>148769713
By getting them an empty bucket, or having food available. Dwarves need food and beer to survive.

>>148769606
yes. I've had 1 (one) ambush, and I think 1-2 episodes of snatchers, since the tavern release. this all happened at one fort, and there have been none in the rest of the 5-6 forts I've played since then.

Haven't played DF in a while.

What's the recommended Z-Level you dig down to when you start off (so you don't hit monster caves and whatnot)?

Also, for mining do you just get to a Z-Level and dig in any direction? Do you need to worry about cave-ins?

setting an owner for a chain set as a room will bound a dwarf right? I got two guys bitten by a werebeast that ended up tearing muscle and I don't have a creative way to kill them yet

>>148773358
When multi-z DF came out about 8 years ago, cave-ins like you are talking about went away.

The only real requirement is to dig down below the soil to prevent the possibility of a tree making a hole in your fortress. Otherwise, the caverns will start somewhere between 15 (default minimum) and ~120 z-levels (most I've ever seen) below the surface, depending on where you embarked.

>>148773358
depends, but usually the main part of my fort is 2-3 z-levels below the deepest soil level. every map is different but the shallowest cavern is usually 20 or so z-levels deep, often more. that said, unless you're generating world with only 1 cavern layer like I do, the top level is pretty benign

cave-ins only occur when something has NO wall/floor/etc. connected to it. read the wiki page, you'd have to fuck up pretty badly to get one while mining.
there's no balance mechanic or anything, so 1x1 tower can have an infinitely long plank stuck to the top of it extending in one direction with no support at the other end, for example, as long as the plank is attached to the tower somehow (diagonally doesn't count)

>>148773470
I don't think that'll do it, no. make him a bedroom and use a burrow to force him into it, then replace the door with a wall

check out the wiki page on werebeasts for their transformation date, if it passes and they don't transform you'll probably want to set them free right away cause they'll be awful thirsty/hungry

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>>148773358
Cave-ins happen when there is no horizontal or vertical support.

#### #
###### <- don't mine that last #
#### # it will hold the rest fine

#### #
### ## < this will collapse
#### # diagonal isn't support

The first 5~10 layers should be above the caverns in default world-gen, you can seal them off with a wall or whatnot if you find them early.

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>Humans bring whips for trade
HUMANS YES, SLAVE LABOR NOW

>>148774325
Thanks for that, got em walled in 2 days before transformation

>>148724752
Uh... The answer is usually yes

>>148730258
>tfw 1x1 embark in an evil biome and you have no room before the spooking starts

>>148731336
Even on a 1x1 glacier/desert embark with only 1 cavern, shallower z-levels, a 60-80 dwarf cap, killing all your pets and butchering your animals, and using entity tokens to lower the gobbo siege/ambush req and dwarf king req?

On a 3x3 I'll already be at 200 fps after embark but on a 1x1 I need a few years to dip under that.

>>148734818
Like 10 fps. Use traffic designations too.

>>148773358
Dig a down staircase then updown stair somewhere near a corner where you wont care about it at least 7 tiles in from map edges. Keep drilling until you identify your aquifers, caverns, magma sea. Wall off or up stair any cavern breaches, Then ramp down to the magma sea (Use macros!), drop a depot, dump everything down there, and setup shop.

>>148779059
If you're going to do this you might as well just copy the save and map everything out.

>>148779765
Hmm? I don't follow.

>Get a migrant wave
>It's like 27 dorfs
>All from my last retired fort
>Have like 20 legendary soldiers
Well shoot.

>>148780439
Do they keep their equipment? And does that mean your old fort got rekt?

>>148780439
I always feel bad when this happens. some dude who lived in a palatial room and used elite steel equipment travels half the world to live in my fort
I show him to an unfinished and unfurnished little room, give him a copper battle axe and a wooden shield, and tell him to help himself to the uncooked meat or plain vegetables any time he likes

>>148781056
No. If someone attacked it maybe but it'll probably be getting visiting soldiers so whatever. Plus it still has about 70 more legendary soldiers. It'll be fine

>>148780235
If you're going to go through the effort of mapping out the underworld in a way that won't interfere with your desired fort aesthetics, you might as well just go all the way and map it out in a different save so you don't mar the good one.

>>148782432
It's not for aethetics, just so that it's not in the way of wherever you need to run your shit through. If it's 7 in from the map edge you can just put a wall on the top plug and you can wall, leave it alone, or convert it easily since you aren't cucked by the outside wall/trap restriction.

>>148783764
Exactly. If you want to put it somewhere that it doesn't "mess up" the rest of your fort, just put it in a different save where it can't mess it up.

stop playing monsterhunter

>Umci Vaultdrink, human pikeman, petitions to join fortress as a mercenary
>oh sure, we can use experienced troops
>assign to foreigner squad, order some human-sized mail and other stuff
>aborts Pickup Equipment: Horrified
>floor menaces with 1 trodgolyte tooth
What the fuck, not even the migrant kids freak out about that one.

>>148786923
>buy giant leopard from elves
>train him for hunting
>assign him to my hunter
>he runs outside, gets one look at the camel that his master is trying to kill - struggling on the ground and full of bolts - panics, and runs half the map to get away
"""carnivore"""

dwarves might be retarded, but everything non-dwarven is even MORE retarded

>>148787469
Even Giant leopards 10 times the size of a dwarf know to swerve in front of their betters, why don't yours?

I've dug down in almost every spot of the map and I keep running into water. How do I get past this disgusting crap?

When are we gonna be able to build boats? I hate how I have to swim from one continent to another in adventurer mode if I didn't take the time to generate a world with all landmasses connected to each other. Now that the carpenter skill was added it's a pretty obvious addition

>>148791380
I dunno about player built boats but Toady wants to do boats after this magic artifact stuff IIRC.

>>148789929
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Aquifer#Dealing_with_aquifers

>>148789929
Easiest way is just to dump a pile of dirt on it. If the aquifer isn't too deep it'll punch right through all the way to the stone alyer

Is there a "max limit" on the number of people alive during worldgen? Whenever I create a world I can never seem to exceed approximately 20K people (total historical figs - dead ), no matter how many civilizations there are.

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>>148793768

>>148794573
Yes I checked the wiki and no, the worldgen page doesn't say anything on population cap. I just find it curious.

>>148794712
Read again underage skimfag

>>148751129
I had one just a while ago that was about a hundred goblins strong or so, which was pretty fun seeing as I only had eighty dwarves at the time.

>>148793768
>>148794712

>design a new world with advanced parameters

literally all you had to do

So I've just reached candy for the second time and I've realized how much DF has lost its shine...

How do I bring wnjoyment back? Can you suggest goals/challenges that are fun and require a lot of time?

>>148800323
Use lower pop caps and avoid item intensive industries to keep fps up. Modify the dorf and goblin entity tokens so you get a king anyway and sieges/ambushes will still show.

Build a dorf colony that only eats vermin and drinks water. Do your best to survive.
Build an artifact mill that rushes magma and seeds weapon/armorsmith/leatherworker moods. Can you get a squad of 10 artifact clad dorfs? How many thousands of artifacts can you make by cycling in new dorfs/chilluns?
Low-tech surface or cavern fort. Only use metal for furniture/non-military picks. can you endure on a tidal wave of wood, bone and stone?
Do an extracts fort. Venom, purring maggot milk, moghopper juice, fire snake liquid, valley herbs, gnomeblight, etc.
Build a silk textile colony. Shoot for max value clothes to sell.
Do an imports only fort. Embark with some raw materials and from there everything you eat, use and sell must be bought.
Build a fort in the magma sea and trap fire snakes 420erryday
You're a band of animal tamers. Catch, tame, and breed vermin and animals for defense and profit. end goal is breeding war/hunting animals selectively and sending 30+ gigantic incredibly muscular, and corpulent war/hunt animals home every year
Build a fortress that uses siege engines for the majority of its defense
Embark to evil biomes and setup fortresses in every evil biome. Note the evil effect in notepad.
Make an ultra-high value and aesthetically pleasing cathedral+library+zoo and sustain it on beekeeping and other exotic means. Bonus points for >10 trapped forgotten beasts.
Set a low pop cap to 7, 20, or 40 and breed your population.
Add roads to all the civs entity entries. Build a tavern at an intersection or roads, over water, through a mountain or anywhere else that'd be a major throughfare. Bonus for a gimmick like all Cave croc meat and mead.
Make a fort out of green glass with clear glass furniture
Pick a color scheme of up to 3 colors

>>148800323
Build a fort inside cavern 3. No pussy faggot raising bridges, cage trap carpet, or walling off

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Sweet Jesus

>>148808240
Time to draft her in the military and send her in the danger room for a couple months

>>148809783
Fug that reminds me, I was gonna make a fort at the base of an aquifer dam

I am having trouble trying to figure out how to set up my food'n'booze industry.
I don't care wether dorfs eat cooked or raw food, so I originally wanted to set up my Farmers Workshop, Quern, Butcher's Shop, and Tanner up on my farm/animal floors, with the Kitchens and Stills down on the dining floor with the food stockpile, but after reading some wiki articles, I'm starting to have second thoughts about that.
But If I make separate stockpiles up at the farming floor, putting plants that can be processed at the the farmer's workshop/quern, it might screw up the still production, with the closest brewable plants being plump helmets
So the only option would be to move the stills and kitchens up to the farm floor too, but then the entire food stockpile may as well be moved up there too and then it's just like "what's the point, everything's up here now. in the dirt."

>>148810447
You can bucket irrigate a couple 3x3's and 3x7's anywhere no problem.

If that's all you care about, just toggle shit to be cooked or brewed in the kitchen menu.

>>148802675
How does one increase the rate of artifact moods?

Is there some possible increase in the d_init files I could do or a special environment to raise them in?

>>148811759
>How does one increase the rate of artifact moods?

Can't.

They start when pop cap hits 20 and no derf will have them a second time.

>>148811759
I don't mean the rate, I mean take migrants and make armorsmithing/weaponsmithing/leatherworking their highest moodable skill. Once they make an artifact, edit their nickname and once you are almost out of dorfs that can mood start killing them off. Preferably with a drop shaft to train doctors in the process.

>>148812631
On that note, you basically can't allow children or they'll soak up all the moods. You have to keep cycling in migrants.
I do one metal job on my drone dwarfs as a rule, it's really fun to keep pumping out artifact weapons and things and it helps me feel less cheated when a child makes a wooden toy with one decoration.

>>148669496
Clean designation fucking when toady? My faggot migrants are puking all over the surface so I have to look at every tile to know what I want to irrigate.

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Best god Y/N?

>>148814663
Y

>>148811759
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Strange_mood#Frequency

I almost want to not respond to such simple fucking questions and just let you suffer in your own ignorance
but that would be cruel.

Keeping stone and ores in normal stockpiles is a shitty idea, is it? I mean I'd need a stockpile equal to the size of my fortress to keep it all since you can't stack them

>>148814663
Pretty cool, but the god of lust and children someone else posted was my favorite.

Is there a reliable way to store bolts in a stockpile like bins? If I add quivers to the stockpile, would that hold more than 25 per square?

>>148816141
Nah. it works out fine. Early on, stone crafts devour a lot until you transition out of it.. If you aren't gonna mass import barrels, booze and logs for pots, you'll use a couple hundred on pots. A couple thousand on stone furniture and mechanisms. A bit for magma safe mechanisms, blocks for bridges, and doors. Depending on your plan, an assload of stone blocjks Make the sizes in proportion to how many it's supplying, how far away from its sources it is, and how many haulers/stone haulers you have.

Ore you sort by imported weapons grade metals and alloys or imported precious/decorative alloy ore and separate piles for whatever major ores you can mine on your map so they don't choke your imports.

Use wheelbarrows and have a good time.

>>148818405
Read the wiki or use your eyes to actually look at what the game tells you dip.

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>>148814663
it's good. but if you're going to be a god, why not be the god of everything relevant?

>>148816141
Stockpiling stone is a noob trap. You'll produce more than you can effectively stockpile once you've gotten good enough to make a decent fort, and before then stockpiling stone with leech a lot of labor that you could be applying to mor usefule things. Having small ore stockpiles near your smelters is another matter. If you plan to do that make sure you take advantage of wheelbarrows to shorten your hauling time and limit the number of dwarves that will haul to that stockpile.

Whyy can't I buy a nice house in town in Adventure mode.

I just want to be a humble peasant.

>>148821787
Stone is fucking heavy. Not using wheelbarrows or minecarts is kicking yourself in the dick.

So the lord of one of my civilization's major towns is a gorlak.

What am I supposed to do with him? And how do gorlaks become rulers of human towns anyway? I didn't even know they were capable of speech.

How does you all determine who should be doing what labor? In Dwarf Therapist, for example, I'd sort everyone on their capability per role, but how many jobs is too many per dwarf to ensure that when you want someone to mine/plant/etc, it would be done sooner than later

>>148822479
I do about one dwarf per moodable or quality-level job (except planting which gets several) and everybody else gets all the non-moodable, no-quality jobs so there are always lots available to do them.

>just started a new adventurer
>starting human civ only has bronze equipment, but that's okay as I don't expect to stay there long
>go to a kobold camp to get some easy xp
>mfw they use steel weapons

Did the dev make steel more commonplace with the latest update? That's certainly not the kind of gear I expected to get from kobolds

When will I be able to live in town and do peasantRP?

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>>148822001
You can rent a room above the tavern atm.

>>148822352
They just couldn't open doors until Toady fixed it, they talk fine, I had a poet I brought adventuring with me once, it was super cute when I gave him a dagger and he strapped it to his head.

>>148823845
They probably stole them from a nearby dorf civ, I made dorfs build tombs instead of humans to generate more steel loot in game, myself, raiding a tomb for iron at best seems dumb.

>>148824242
How do I sleep in a bed and is there a bonus for doing so?

>>148824242
That makes me wonder, if I pushed someone from a really high place in DF and they fall to their death does the game consider it I murdered him?

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>>148824334
Atm you just gotta lay on it and crash, but no bonus that I know of, though I wouldn't be surprised if you got the option to talk about how nice it was sleeping in a bed.

>>148824561
If you didn't attack them directly, and just "accidentally" jumped into them, then no. Minecarts work too.

>>148824676
But if I throw a punch in non lethal combat and they fall, then it's murder. But if I run into them really fast and bump in them and they fall, then it is?

>>148824798
Eh, not sure it's murder if it was non-lethal, if someone saw it happen it might be, if you do it the other way it's an accident?

How do you forbid eggs in a nest box to ensure hatching?

>>148826115
Only way iv found is to not allow eggs in any stockpiles.

Two fun things with my current adventurer:

1. The elves beneath the human fortress have STEEL gear. I forcibly disrobed an elven qt3.14 and performed sweet poems for her to make her happy again.
2. I didn't realize you could dragoon jump people. Was chasing a goblin, and I jumped into him, causing him to skid along the ground for 8+ squares.

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Got df up to 6.3 GB used with the whole system at 7.54 GB and it was taking minutes to move the mouse so I did a hard shutdown, gonna see if the site is full of animals or something because collapsing magma+ice doesn't do this by itself usually.

>>148829576
I like to call it Dragonfall, Mamgozumid.

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>>148829690
Oh Jesus...

Dwarf Therapist will never update

Man, spearmen and pikemen can ruin your shit so fast. I never get that kind of problems with other weapons but those gus won't care if you're a legendary dodger, they'll stab you in the dick and sever a thousand sensory nerves regardless

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Noob question:

Is armor layering only for adventure mode, or should I be assigning 3 mail shirts and 6 cloaks to my military?

>>148831546
If you're willing to put yourself through that kind of micromanagement hell then do it.

>>148822352
They're intelligent.
Leave him be? He's apparently a pretty cool dude.

>>148826115
t+f
Or config your stockpiles properly you buttslut

>>148830035

?

>>148833430
Campsites cause animal populations to explode sometimes, all the cyan sense creature icons are extra critters and lagfucking me to death.

What's the difference between "bowman" and "archer"? does archer affect accuracy of thrown weapons as well?

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>getting lots of shit done
>discover workflow plugin
>get so much more shit done, 0/90 idlers constant
>big furniture placement coming up; royal dining room inc
>crash, probably a few weeks before seasonal autosave

fuck that, i'm doing it again tomorrow
>all of it
boy i'm fuckin mad

>df 2030
>Human siege brings artifact siege tower
what do

>>148834043
Load your boat and get the fuck outta there.

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>>148833719
Well that world is dead, even retiring and trying to load back up ends up with 5.4 GB of ram right away. Shame, onward to the next!

>>148834347
But they brought along a whole fleet of artifact battleships.

>>148833725
Read the wiki jesus.

>>148833762
Always save after you do a lot of shit.

It's nice having a lot of idlers for hauling, bucketing, and dumping though.

>>148834043
ram enough ballista bolts and stones into its asspussy that it falls apart. Or not really care cause I'll just have my legend squad take it over

>threetoe stories involving flying castles
>YFW that wizard you just tortured to death in the arena was the magical thing keeping his castle floating above your fortress

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>>148834976

>>148834828
As soon as they get out of front gate a human wizard chants a spell and they explode into gore.

>>148834976
chaika

>>148834976
>>148835632
>Urist and Armok at the Tavern
>Chaika, when the castle fell
>Mistem, her eyes open!

>>148756170
The world is the same as ever.

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>mason is stuck on tree
>figured cutting him down was the best plan
>killed by gringo wood log to the head
Well fuck me.

Ok I can now finally assign work to humans, do they make human-sized clothing?

>>148838319
>gringo wood log
Why is this so funny?

>>148838371
You can special order gear sized for different races.

>>148838371
Not unless you order them to.
Set some clothing to be made and check the job details.

I don't want to go back to 32bits but this fucking vanilla labor management is driving me insane and i even use macros.

Anyone knows a decent preferably video tutorial to the new job manager system? I don't get it.

>>148676553
>DF ripoff

Did Toady license all of the DF mechanics or something? Someone needs to explain me all this hate

>that red C appears again
>how many months will it take the hunter to kill that fucking weasel?
>the Giant Cave Spider is fighting!
>the Farmer Zefon Estilzas is fighting!
>fuck fuck fuck, how did that get past the checkpoint?
>mfw the farmer dodged all its attacks and kicked it so hard it dropped
Have dwarven civilians gotten a lot more competent recently or are mine just lucky as hell?

>>148839416
Oh. It got a name anyway after meeting some embarrassment of a ranger in the hallway. It bit the guy in the head and shook him hard enough to break his neck.

"Leopardcrowds" the Giant Cave Spider was then killed by an axe blow from the foreign rejects squad's commander while it was distracted by a certain human crossbowman biting it in the legs (what the fuck).

>>148838319
How did you get a mason stuck on a tree? Was he some kind of elf-weeb?

>>148841529
No idea. It could be he was scared of a kea.

How do I deal with this next time? Building stepladders or something?

>>148841709
Not sure, you could build stairs up to him I guess if that doesn't work, seems like a pain though. Hopefully your dwarves stop ending up on trees, I've never had that happen.

>>148841709
Chop down all the trees before the next time?

>>148841709
Build a ramp

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>new fort
>no other kids

I guess the poor lad got bored and needed a useless fucking toy, at least he made it dorfy with bones and spikes.

Anyone playing this on Linux? More specifically, Fedora? Is WINE good enough? What version do you use?
I'd like to start playing it, but I'm not going to Wangblows again just for it.

>>148843120
There's a Linux build that works just fine in Debian at least.
Some of the memory hacking tools may be a bit behind the Windows version, though.

>>148843326
I'll check that when I get home. There's probably a RPM of it. Should I start playing it vanilla? Or use some starter pack? I'm gonna have some free time so I'm planning on learning to play it.

>>148843459
I'm sure there's an rpm, I'm on arch using the native arch package myself, you won't regret starting out and derping around in vanilla, and the tools like dfhack and shit are all generally updated at the same time for the different oses.

>>148842282
I wonder, will he ever actually play with it? dwarves usually ignore artifact clothing/crafts

>>148844680
I saw a kid playing with an artifact puzzle box just now.
May have something to do with it being the only toy in the fortress.

>>148845728
neat. I wonder what kinds of weird dwarven childcare stuff will be possible once the magic/artifacts update comes out, assuming artifact toys still exist

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When you embark and take a boot, is that a pair of boots or just 1 boot?

Same thing for when you craft boots, 1 or 2?

>>148846614
not sure about when you embark, but when you craft it's 2

>>148846227
Might get interesting if their personality, needs and preferences were shaped by their experiences while growing up.
Of course the fortress would need to last much longer and avoid FPS death to see the effects from this.
Imagine family lines of cheesemakers and master smiths, each with their own bizarre obsessions passed down the line.
I wish the descriptions of normal items would mention their maker's marks or peculiar embellishments (which would depend on the craftsdwarf's tastes).

>>148846614
You always craft only one of those (socks and gloves too) so Dwarfs can suffer "one of each pair" always.

>>148846775
>I wish the descriptions of normal items would mention their maker's marks or peculiar embellishments
would be neat. if we can't have guild-like family clans within a fort, it would at least be cool to see individual masters taking pride in their work.

but yeah
>the fortress would need to last much longer and avoid FPS death
I'd like a million bucks and a flying car too while we're at it

>>148838319
Build up/down stairs to him.

>>148839312
Use prefs and nicknames

>>148838434
>>148838506
>check the job details
How?

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Is this the right way of building pumps? My niggaz are drinking stagnant water instead of using those pumps so I figure something's wrong with it.

>DF is 64 bit now
How much of a change did it make?

>>148850630
There's a details view for already created jobs/orders that lets you specify materials for rock items, alternate armor sizes, topics for art pieces and so on.