/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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My broker is an odd one, or at least, the craftsdwarf thinks she is.

Question, for adventurer house building, it says its irreversible. Does that mean the house cannot be added to once begun, or can I just work on one room at a time?

>>149035007
>trade a few lumps of copper and balls of wood for gems and steel every year
>do they call me Oddom the Dealmaker?
>design hundreds of urists of masterful roads
>do they call me Oddom the Waylayer?
>make dozens of masterful engravings
>do they call me Oddom the Stonespeaker?
>but you fuck ONE panda man...

>>149035428
Pretty sure that just means that creating/naming the site is irreversible.

Some migrants have arrived.

>>149034552
Am vampire. Prepared to be drank. :3

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Urist McBonecarver has created an artifact!

>moving fortress parts
>cages full of dangerous beasts spring from the earth and release them upon the invaders

>>149037330
>Store cages on a retracting bridge
>Retract
>Falling damage kills most of the invaders
>Creatures are loose, eat them, and leave

Mustard gas, rain erosion, and trenches when?

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159518.0

wow, neat. Wonder if this is a weird coincidence or something

My favorite thing about this general is the optimism about the game itself. I could just lurk the threads all day so I could read everyone's stories

I love goblin faction names. My two favorite so far were The Seduction of Holes and The Hatred of Women.

>>149037748
Those groups are only in world gen or can show up in Fortress?

what waste of time to play such a shitty game.

I cant believe that some people actually think this is so deep.

>>149040707
I think they are just world gen.

>>149041063
It's not deep at all unless you're gonna build a dungeon and if you are go do it in shit that's made for it.

>>149041063

What hurt your feelings, fren?

someone hit me up, how do i get rid of the fucking childrens? im total noob, so the easiest way would be nice tho

>>149042559
in one of the inits files, either inits or d_inits I forget, you can set max children and max children percentage to 0

>>149042559
Put them on the drawbridge via burrows and FLIP DAT SUWEETCH EEEGOR!

>>149042639
if i set this up, the childrens will disappear in my current game?

>>149042825
>>149042825
Nopers, just controls migration and procreation in the future

>lakes

>>149042881
>any water

I'm on the military screen, in the scheduling submenu, and there's an option like this
"u : inactive = uniformed"
Since most of the options here are usually greyed out if they aren't chosen, or white if they are, doe this mean that during their off time they'll still wear their uniforms, or that I need to press "u" to make them wear uniforms during their down time?

Is alchemy ever going to do something? Will animal carers and fish dissectors ever be welcomed with joy and relief in a fort? Will I ever be able to actually quit being a little bitch and explore a tomb?

Next update pls deliver.

>>149043036
~

>>149044171
It's displaying their current setting, so yeah, leave it alone and they will remain in uniform.

>>149044575
>~
What did you mean by that?

>>149044508
>Is alchemy ever going to do something?
I in a year maybe.

If I break an aqueduct, and make a channel that reaches the edge of the map, will the water leave the map through there, or will I just overflow the map?

>>149042559
>>149042765
>>149042825
Chilluns are great. Like 60% make it to peasant-hood without a mood. Then you only have to make a couple armors or weapons then melt them for free useful artifacts.


>>149044508
Animal care would be great if toady ever enabled their health care and need to eat shit. dissectors just needs more extracts which we'll get more of when he finally does venom application.

Long as you're friendly to undead I think you're fine. Do it late in your adventurer's life and search walk to no get noscoped.

>>149044983
Can't Channel the map edge and you can't smooth soil. If it's rock or you casted obsidian above the surface you're good to go. The aquifer article has a shit ton on the matter.

>>149045643
>Can't Channel the map edge and you can't smooth soil. If it's rock or you casted obsidian above the surface you're good to go. The aquifer article has a shit ton on the matter.
I won't channel the map edge, it already has a part that's in a depression.

>>149045689
It'll flow off it's z-level then yeah. Make sure you setup a raising bridge so you can dam it when it's not needed.

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>>149045794
>>149045643
How much lag will this massive waterfall cause?

>>149045643
>Chilluns are great. Like 60% make it to peasant-hood without a mood. Then you only have to make a couple armors or weapons then melt them for free useful artifacts.
what

>>149045643
> Like 60% make it to peasant-hood without a mood.

That's the problem.
I already have veteran military armed to the teeth.
I need more legendary artisans.
Not more FPS waste. I'm down to 50 FPS now. Fortress pop: 117.

>>149046198
That looks pretty cool. I never got waterfall in an evil area.

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>>149046350
I got a massive surface aquifer up on something like a hill.
Once I puncture it all hell will brake loose.

>>149046198
It will break your dick

>>149046346
If they mature without having had a mood, they have no competing moodable skills like migrants do so you only have to put a little metal into them and eventually they kick out an artifact weapon or armor.

>>149046350
For what? You can just train them up over 2 years with one of your master soldiers, shoot up wildlife, assign them light armor, then have them learn whatever. They work harder, faster, and better after the delay and your entire fort being capable. If that's too long, you can double up assignments and alternate half on sparring, half on crafting for whatever time period you like.

>>149046350
>I'm down to 50 fps
I'm down to 7. 200 civilians, 100 others and 40 pets/livestock. Tell me your specs and which version are you playing.

>>149046967
i7 2600
AMD Radeon HD 6800 (Don't know how big a part this plays in this game)
4GB DDR3

Version:0.42.06

>>149047142
Certainly better than what I'm rocking. I'm gonna burrow the shit out of my next fort. I think pathfinding is killing it the most.

>>149047314
Did you try turning off features to improve FPS?
I'm playing on pocket world, disabled temperature calculations and weather.


I tried the burrowing a couple of times.
Got tired of burrowing every single thing.
I think I'll just limit my population to 80 next time. The number of useful dorfs never goes past 60 for me anyway. I can do with less fodder and more animal control.

Ran into a "buff monster," a scaly slug covered in noxious secretions that I think is a demon. Never seen one of those before, except as rulers in 30.xx. I don't want to stay and find out what its poison does.

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>>149047314
>>149047539
I should also limit myself to one industry.

pic:my fucking storage floor.

>>149047539
I didn't turn off the temp thing, doesn't that mess with stuff like catching fire, or just with whether should your river freeze during winter and so on?

>>149047738
that's pretty fucking uneficient senpai


So, I never get to understand the limits this game offer to mods, what can you exactly mod in the game? what do you can't?

>>149047738
You should make the storage rooms 9 tiles tall and 13 tiles wide to made them AESTHETIC

>>149048114
>that's pretty fucking uneficient(,) senpai
How do I make it more efficient? One huge storage with shitload of bins?

>>149048259
Wouldn't installing a square texture pack be easier?

>>149048421
Sure, but that would be too easy.

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>>149048521
>>149048421
>>149048259
>Sure, but that would be too easy.
I feel you.

>>149048114
Not him, but there doesn't seem to be a clear flow between your stockpiles and workshops. It's not that serious really.

>>149048637
Oooh that. Yeah it takes a bit longer to make stuff.

There was better efficiency while I still had enough space for it.
Then I got too much stuff.

>>149047967
It does, but if I get to still play somewhat smoothly after 5 years, I'm ready to make that sacrifice.

Anyone ever see a general hell rift that is opened without PC intervention? I found a cluster of at least five demons of various sorts, who apparently killed each other until only one remained (according to legends mode, I didn't stick around).

>>149049053
There's hell!? Lemme wiki that real quick.
...
AAAAW SWEET!

>>149049418
Why wiki? You're already here

>>149049418
Yep. Its been there forever, but I've literally never actually seen just... demons rampaging about the countryside unless dwarves freed them.

>>149050164
The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum... shadow and flame.

I've been observing the goblins lately, and I see war parties circling around but mostly staying at home. After closer inspection, I found and killed a second ice demon, and now I'm finding a group of goblins being utterly destroyed by a couple of nasty poisonous, winged snail looking demons.

>>149050325
Deep.

How do I use the marksdwarves? Do I order them to kill or to station? I thought it was kill, but just now one of my shooters charged a cyclops with a crossbow. now, it's been a minute or two, but he has around 40 bolts in his quiver, though I still think he had ammo left when he was fighting.

>>149051153
either works, but I like to station them around a corner from the enemy's path, so that they come into line of sight 10-15 tiles away and unleash a barrage of bolts all at once, rather than spreading out, firing from distance, running out of bolts, and then charging into melee like retards
if they're in the field and not behind fortifications, ideally, keep regular militia dwarves between marksdwarves and the enemy at all times. they WILL charge in at some point if it's at all possible, and you don't want them to be the prime target

>>149050676
It's from Lord of the Rings, you dummy.

>>149052961
I know, you dummy. I just made a shitty pun, you dummy.

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>>149053027

>>149053164
Fuck, don't cry...

Why can't I get more mercenaries? I turn away at least 4 entertainers every month.

>>149053826
Because you don't seem to want visitors?

>>149053826
Are you microsoft trying to retain xbox fans? Because you're playing your role perfectly.

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>>149044747

>in a year maybe.

Ahahahah.

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>mfw untamed wilds

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>>149055098
>oh shit yeah, I'll get interesting wild animals to tame, and great big things to hunt!

>kea man
>kea man
>kea woman
>kea man
>kea woman
>kea man

>>149055438
sux2bu

>>149055438
>Tolon Stickyfingers, kea man poet is visiting.

>caravan comes
>no axe but some iron bars
Fucking finally, my woodcutter and carpenter almost became full-time haulers

getting ready to play again after a couple years away. What does the OP mean by dwarf therapist being out of date? Can I still use it? Also, best texture pack so I can see dwarves instead of symbols.

>>149057767
The newest version of DF doesn't keep all the info in the old places in the RAM, so they gotta figure out where the variables are first, and then they can release a new version of the rapist

>>149057232
out of hundreds, I've never had a visitor that wasn't a dwarf/human/elf/goblin
I keep hoping. my current world's most populous human town has 23 hamster people and a nearby forest retreat has 46 peach-faced lovebird people, but I guess they aren't interested in travelling

>>149058082
so should I wait a short time to get back in, I'm not really trying to relearn the game without it. Or is this one of those things that could take forever for someone to do.

>>149058912
just play with a lower population cap or something so it's easier to handle. the current version is p. cool

>>149058912
I have 200 dorfs right now, playing without the rapist is fun, but in the dorfy kind of way.

>>149058912
Just jump in, you appreciate the tools more without them and stop using them as crutches.

>>149059078
good point anon, I'll start my fun cycles this weekend. Thanks guys!

>Human Caravan didn't left
>Dorf Caravan came , wagon couldnt get to Depot

I hope human merchants are not stuck.

I set up a silk farm for the giant cave spider I caught. So I placed his cage in the desired spot, hooked it up to a lever and pulled it. I placed a cat in front of his fortifications at first, and nothing was happening. So I ordered a squad in the web room, still nothing. I used V, he isn't there. I serach for him in the animals list, he isn't there, he's in deceased. I zoom into his corps, it zooms to where his cage was before I deconstructed it with a lever. Where the hell is my spider?

>>149060240
Could he have gotten squished by the cage and the mechanism? the description of the corps in the stocks says There is some ichor all over him, but there is no body.

>>149060653
It's neither, I returned to before I opened the cage and he's already listed as dead with his body gone.

>>149058789
I've had a crow man scholar and a gorlak poet once, but that was it. That was before gorlaks could open doors so I have to wonder how he even managed to move around.

>>149058789
I have beetle man bard who become my resident.

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I've never seem this relationship before. Is my Duchess a former slave?

>>149064851
Former apprentice. She probably studied goblin poetry or something.

>>149065080
That makes sense. I saw the goblin name and thought she was baby-snatched or something.
It would have made a nice backstory.

Is it possible for male dwarves not to have beards in their physical description?

So how do you tell a Dwarf's sexuality?
I'm reading the descriptions of my Dwarves and there isn't really anything that stands out.

>>149067935
You can view it via The Rapist

if I build an artifact cage as bati constructed furniture, is it indestructible, unless it gets burned or melted?

>>149069208
Yes

LNP or newest release?

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>>149071995
Read the thread!!!

>>149073082
I have.

So does the 64 bit update increase performance?

>>149073082
He was asking if he should use the LNP or the newest release of DF.

>>149071995
>not having both available and switicing back and forth day to day

Does the chance of making a masterpiece depend on the skill level beyond legendary? In other words, does it matter is my weaponsmith is legendary (raw lvl 15) or legendart +5 (raw lvl 20)?

>>149075783
I'm almost certain it doesn't. Having extra skill just prevents the dwarf from getting rusty

>>149075943
Alright. I'll start leveling my weaponsmith as a blacksmith then, and when my armorsmith is legendary he'll become a metalcrafter as well.

>>149076069
It might be better to train different dwarfs, because you'll have better odds of one of them getting a mood and skipping right to legendary.

>>149076450
I've though about that, but I have a pop limit of 60 in order to maintain fps for as long as possible. I have a squad of marksdwarves and a squad of military dwarves, and I'd like to get as many industries going as well, which doesn't leave a lot of dwarves free.

>>149075783
>>149075943
it does, more level, better chances

if you abandon a fortress after breaching Hell, and then start a new fortress in another location, do the released demons from the previous embark ever attack you?

>>149076982
Hmm

>>149076982
Yeah, according to the wiki you're right.
Does anybody know if someone has verified this?

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Post living quarters designs
This holds about 80 dwarves and is good for a smaller embark. Just stack over a couple of z-levels.

What Dwarf promote to Baron?

I promoted tawern keeper but still wait until outpost liason leaves.

>>149074471
Not really. The game is now very unlikely to crash from running out of memory with large embarks or massive worlds, but those aren't really playable right now.
We'd need multithreading for that, and much of the code would probably have to be rewritten to handle things in batches where the individual tasks can't mess with each other. That's may prove very, very hard without some serious software engineering.
Making Toady go through the code and look for typical 32-bit vs. 64-bit issues like misuse of pointer types and arithmetic may have subtle bug-fixing benefits though.

>>149082583
I just give them one big room, barracks and noble bedrooms and eventually give them their own bedroom if they do something deserving (like killing important named character / megabeats in case of solders or puting some good fight as civilian).

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>>149082583
I think living in a post socialist country is getting to me.

>>149076631
With a popcap of 60 you won't get sieges, so you don't need that much military. You could put most of those dwarves to work.

If I have an animal training zone next to where a lot of soldiers are passing will they start attacking still untamed animals in the process of training? A draltha for example.

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Needs more statue holes

>>149084973
...that is a lot of statue holes.

>>149081629
He's half right. There's a cap on the % chance to create a masterwork. I don't recall what it is, 50% or 33% sounds right. Higher skill levels approach that cap, but the difference between legendary +30 and legendary +31 is going to be so small that it's effectively immeasurable. It does show in the chance to create exceptional items, though. Legendary +0 craftsdwarves will still turn out lower quality items from time to time. A legendary +20 almost never will. I don't know the exact numbers, but you're probably more likely to win the lottery than you are to see a legendary +50 craftsdwarf produce an object of lower than exceptional quality.

>>149085223
There's a lot of gold on this embark. Goldhalls will be gleaming

>>149085483
Gleam on, then, Urist.

Only grazing animals would die if locked in a tiny room for too long, right? If I were to lock up a pair of cave crocs so that they could lay eggs or what not would a small room suffice?

>>149090874
That would be fine, but if the room is too small they might fight each other.

>>149090874
Correct. Overcrowded animals will sometimes fight, so you might want to set up an overflow pen for when they hatch. Cave crocs reproduce in huge numbers, so it will be an issue if the room is very small.
If you ever branch out into elk birds, be aware that they're both egg layers and grazers.

>>149091962
>>149091872
Luckily, it's just two female crocs. I'll keep them in separate rooms, just to be sure.

There is a very important dwarf that got dehydrated because of something stupid I did and he isn't going to the barrel that's like 7 tiles away to drink. it simply says that he has no job. I know the dwarfs aren't the brightest light bulb, but do they change their behavior if they get too thirsty or something?

>>149095291
I'm assuming that the something stupid you did involved cutting him off from the rest of your fort? Ensure that you've actually resolved it. If you have, try to get him to do another job and then cancel it to see if that kickstarts his self-preservation instinct.

>>149095653
Well I don't know how and when he got a drink but he finally did.

He was in a magma smelters burrow, and the fort ran out of drinks. The rest would go to the well because the water outside froze, but he was stuck down there.

>>149067287
If they got kidnapped by goblins, the monstrous fuckers shave them... [anon gets choked up for a second] THEY TAKE THEIR BEARDS!

>>149097726
Mongrels...

PURGE

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>>149097807
...RACE WAR!

>>149099367
The world is the same as ever.

>>149047738
You need to use z-levels. Those crafts that are like 45 tiles away? They could have been 4-7 steps down the stairs. Dorfs need to take an eat, drink, or sleep break like every 150-200 tiles. You're breaking your balls.

>>149050325
There's supposedly the chance for a stair to hell in the bottom of some dark fortresses. It's pants on retarded annoying to find the place though so I never do.

>>149082664
Someone with material and item likes that are easy for you to make demands indefinitely and wont be bothered by export restrictions. Since you can't inspect people, you need to take a gander at migrants as they come and take notes.

>>149078641
I believe, but am not sure, that it uses a different system and the game doesn't track just what would logically be wandering about, example being night trolls never showing up in Fort mode. I could be wrong.

>>149103640
>There's supposedly the chance for a stair to hell in the bottom of some dark fortresses.

That must be why demons are ravaging the countryside in my world, never seen it before.

Has anyone here managed to use a vault's slab to enslave a demon lord? In 34.11, arrows to the knee basically always would cause a demon to topple over in one hit, but now that you can make armor even for demons and that ranged weapons are balanced, I bet a pet demon would be off the hook.

>>149034552
what tileset is that
it looks comfy

>>149107367
It's the fuck you don't use graphics packs tileset

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>>149107740
is that the official name? i can't find it anywhere

>>149107740
Graphics packs are shit. Square ascii tilesets with a color rebalance are the best.

>Embark #1: No sand
>Embark #2: No trees despite saying it was heavily forested
>Embark #3: No running water despite saying it had a brook
>Embark #4: No mountain to dig into despite having mountain tiles
Is there a better way to do this? Maybe allow us to see what the zone actually looks like?

Also, a way to generate better worlds that don't look like weird thin islands with proper poles and an equator would be nice.

>>149110325
That's life. Either use a dfhack compatible version or suck it up
You probably had multi-biomes. Dunno man,
Are you sure you didn't move it?
Use the elevation map. Even then, you're gonna need to use adv world gen to lessen the erosion for better cliffs and more mountainy mountains.

Read the fucking wiki.

>>149111841
>read the fucking wiki
What do you think I do all day at my job?

>>149110325
>>149111841
I just want my perfect Taiga/mountain biome with a river running through the mountains :_:

>>149111918
Then you'd know how to make it.

>>149112043
>Taiga/mountain
>sand
Just buy it from caravans you stupid fuck

>>149110325
#s 1 and 4 happen. #s 2 and 3 don't. You're reading the maps wrong. You know that the map in the left pane doesn't show your entire embark, right? You're only embarking on a portion of that, and you can select and resize which portion with umhk.
Learning to read the elevation and cliff indicator maps will solve #4. #1 is a crapshoot without dfhack's embark tools, though embarking somewhere with very deep soil gives you a really good chance of having at least one sand layer.

>>149110325
Delete all the non-sand soil types before genning a world. I leave only sand and fire clay in my worlds, normal soil is far too mundane.

If you're going to sift through hundreds of embark sites and potentially worlds to find exactly the right spot, might as well just make it so that everywhere is exactly the right spot.

>>149113250
This. You already don't care about legitimacy, just do it.

>>149112043
>taiga
>river
enjoy having a frozen river 100% of the time.

>>149113840
Haha, not if I engage... MAGMA DRIVE!

>>149114156
Urist, you're a madman!

>temperate biome
>low elevation
>mid summer
>starts snowing
uh..

If I want to build an obsidian palace is the best way to create a large, multi- z leveled rectangle, fill it with water and lava and then dig it out?

>>149113250
That's a great idea actually.

>>149114527
Yes. "Natural" walls are superior to constructed ones.

>>149085318
Thanks.

>>149114364
WOULD A MAGMADMAN DEFEND HIS HIGHLY FLAMMABLE SURFACE NICKEL FORT WITH MAGMA LAND MINES, STOCKPILES OF BOOZE READY TO BE BOILED BY MAGMA, MAGMA ORBITAL PLATFORMS, ORBITAL OBSIDIAN CASTERS, DOOR'D HOUSES OF MAGMA, CAGED MAGMA MEN, MAGMA CRABS PITTED INTO WATCH TOWERS, MINECART MAGMAGUNS, MAGMA MINECART HOWITZERS, MOATS OF MAGMA.

BRAVE GOBBO, HOOMANS, AND UNDEAD, DARE YE ENTER MY MAGICAL MAGMA SEA VAULT OF TREASURE?

>>149114527
It's certainly easier.

>>149113640
>legitimacy
What?

>>149115074
Finding a desirable embark under default conditions. It's pretty meaningless in a singleplayer game where there's nothing stopping you from searching for exactly what you want for hours, because if you search long enough you will eventually find it.

>>149115074
It's like doing mineral frequency 100. You can but it's kind of eh.

>>149115190
What does any of that have to do with legitimacy? I don't understand how searching for an embark with features you want delegitimizes anything, or what is being delegitimized.
And how is finding any kind of embark under any conditions, default or not, any more or less meaningful than any other embark?

>Dwarf needs shells for strange mood
Just fucking kill me

>>149115692
It's not, that's why the idea of legitimacy relating to worldgen conditions and embark preferences is meaningless.

Is Rimworld fun?

>>149116829
This is the dwarf fortress general. Bugger off kiddo.

>>149116829
You should ask in rimworld general.

>>149116829
For a dozen of hours, then you run out of content.

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>>149116829
Why don't you ask the rimworld general, fucker, bitch?

>>149117090
>>149117135
>>149117343
GUYS.
Is the rimworld starter pack updated? I need a texture pack to remove the sand aquifers on my legitimate ocean lake.

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>having a great time in my fortress
>in 3 years i have a unlimited silk thanks to my caged giant cave spider, 15 tourists locked in a pit dying of thirst and trying not to get crush by falling puppies and elk birds
>I'm waiting full of pride for the dwarf king/queen to see this
>accidentally breach a cavern through 3 or 4 z levels
> I have to completely lock those staircases even though they are visible in all of my fortress level
>I failed you my king
>abandon the fortress to ruin
>mfw

>>149118232
Just do single caverns?

>>149118232
What exactly is the problem?

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>>149118232
Incorporate it into your fort you big baby.

>>149119173
How do I make large, unsightly strip mined rectangles nice?

Should I take off the noob wheels and turn down mineral generation from "everywhere"?

>>149119532
Use a 3 color scheme for walls and floors, floor highlights, and furniture. Looks tight.

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>>149119532
Mineral frequency doesn't really figure into, at least not in my case. When you're digging and importing on the scale that's going on in this fort you'll never have mineral woes.
My advice is to make your plan and stick to it. Design your fort and just use whatever stones and ores you get from digging it out. If you design your fort to look pretty from the beginning and don't deviate from your plan to make opportunistic mineral grabs you'll end up with something that makes you happy. Aside from that, just be willing to spend a lot of time making designations, and get used to the game being paused more often than not if you're aspiring toward grandiosity.
Also, I'll just note that the aesthetics of fort design are very subjective. There are probably flat forters and high-efficiency forters in the thread who cringe every time I post a screenshot. They're not wrong, we're just playing for different reasons. If you want a BBF you're going to pay in fps and micromanagement, and that may not be worth it to you.

>>149119532
With 100 z levels you won't run out of minerals even in pocket worlds

>>149120723
World size isn't related to the mineral wealth of an embark.

>>149123038
I assume he meant to say a 1x1 embark

>>149123439
Yeah I know but page 10.

Is there a reason to use weapons other than axes? Not counting individual cases like skilled migrants

>>149127521
Spears are better against very large opponents. Hammers and maces are better against undead. If your axe's material is worse than the armor of your opponents then blunts are better there as well. Picks are arguably better at the axe's role than axes are.

>>149127858
>Picks are arguably better at the axe's role than axes
How? They have small contact area so they won't hack stuff away
>Hammers and maces are better against undead
Again, won't axes just cut their limbs and then finish them?

>>149128145
>cutting off undead limbs
oh god the horror

>>149128145
Cutting off undead limbs is all well and good, unless whatever made them undead is still around, in which case you have just doubled the number of undead you are fighting.

>>149127521
Spears are pretty important against large targets.
Hammers and maces against undead or if you're fighting against a mod race that actually covers themselves.
It's very easy to get 30+ dwarves with legendary mining, then have them train with regular legendary soldiers to get some shield, dodge, and armor skill over 2 years. Crossbows are also easy to train and you can put both in light armor so they're not helpless when attacked and aren't heavily slowed by breastplate and greaves

>>149128145
Picks can easily delimb and decapitate most creatures that aren't giant. The majority of the threats that a fort will face can be dismembered by them in one strike. Most of the ones that can't be won't be by an axe either. There's a pretty small size window where axes will remove body parts but picks won't.

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>>149130820
>mod race that actually covers themselves

The recent patch makes people wear full armour, you know?

>>149133158
Gobs aren't barely clothed trash anymore? Wow, they still died pretty good.

My fort entrance was full of traps, and now a siege finally arrived. I'm rubbing my hands with glee because I'll both get a fight and some live targets with the cage traps. Then I notice that the traps in the spaces the enemy is most to go through are not loaded, even though not a single trap activating creature went through them and there are no empty cages in my stockpiles. Do some kinds of visitors, like goblin bards or animal people activate them in some weird fashion?

>>149133925
>there are no empty cages in my stockpiles
Found the problem.

>>149133749
They shouldn't be, no. And if one falls unconscious in a fight the opponent will remove the helm instead of bashing/punching the head forever.

>>149133976
Oh, you got it wrong, those traps were laid there three years ago and fully loaded when the first siege came. But that one was beaten by various mercenaries coming to my tavern. I left the traps be, and now I finally see that most of them were set off once, and never reloaded even though during that time no wild animal entered my fort. Heck, there was a lot going around the cage stockpile too, there were many empty cages at various times.

Hell yeah, just became a werebeast via toppling one of my own temple statues. This is a lot more convenient than having to track down some naked dude in a cave somewhere.

It was inevitable.

Will fish appear in an artificial river?

>>149084226
>stairway not in the middle
Oh the horror

>>149137580
I think it's embark-tile dependent, so if you move the river far enough away into an embark tile that didn't have any fish in it before, you won't get any fish in the new river either.

Teej, what is up with retiring into fortresses? I swear you used to be able to retire into a fortress, and become a hearthperson (or at least start that way).

Is there some trick? Does your fort have to be of a minimal level of fanciness or something?

I learned the controls! I think! I made some walls! And a small mine! Now i just have to find out what i need to make a door.

Upon unretiring, I found there was.. one hostile dwarf merchant. He's not close enough to attack and just standing there.

How exactly should I take care of him? Just try to channel around him at a huge distance?

Every time I try to get into Dwarf fortress I play until the first caravan arrives then quit. How do I get invested for a long term game?

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>>149138827
Don't be a faggot

Choose a goal:
Make a sick military
Encrust all your beds with gold
Become the best tavern location in the world
Live like nomads in the caverns
Build a giant castle
Build a giant statue
Tame exotic wildlife, breed them, and set them on elves
Make your own goal

Seriously, there's so much you could do, don't live by other people's ideas of how to progress.

>>149139164
>Live like nomads
How can you be a nomad in a game where the XY axis is fixed over a small area?

>>149139335
By gathering plants and hunting wildlife and not building any "permanent" structures... you know, kind of like a group of nomads.

>>149139459
Settling in caves is the tits.

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>>149108857
>square
Son I am disappoint.

>>149084226
>3x3

>>149142239
3x3 what? the rooms are 1x3, and even that's too much for the little buggers.

>>149144232
Staircase. 1x3 is good tho, but a dormitory is more fps-efficient.

So I found a nice pillar of candy on the second cavern. I'd like to bring all of the raw candy up to the fort and then seal the path.

How do I only bring up the candy? Can I restrict hauling to a specific type of stone? There's lots of gold nuggets and gems down in the mines as well. How about marking the candy for dumping and go that way?

is it just me or are woodcutting accidents more common now?

>>149145715

Designated a dump spot and mark it for dumping

>>149146170
no, you are just more unlucky
nice name btw, where is it from

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>>149146680

your mom lol

Alright, bad news.

I accidentally (yeah, really) opened the circus. I always thought the entrance would be below the 3rd cavern. I'd really like to avoid this since the fort is going well and I'm getting the hang of the more niche industries (paperpaking, soapmaking, glassmaking).

DFhacks tiletypes can't close the entrance for some reason and I don't have a door from a strange mood to block it (and I wouldn't be fast enough for that either).

Any ideas?

>>149146932

You could spawn some magma and water to close the hole up.

>>149147043
Tried it, some fuckers still got through.

I'm truly fucked.

>>149146932

savescum

>>149147149

killitwith gravity

>>149147149
Select unit with [v] > DFhack > exterminate him

>>149147518
There's like 100 of them. Also, I'd like to encounter them when I get my military properly eqiupped.

>>149147154
Did this, worked. Can't believe I didn't think of it. Thanks.

>>149145715
Mass-forbid everything in the caverns, and then claim the adamantine. It's in the designation menu.

>>149145461
What's wrong with 3x3 staircase?

>>149148185
What's wrong with cancer?

That Hitler guy, what was so bad about him?

Ever been shot, it doesn't sound that bad, you know?

>>149148504
Okay?

>>149146749
Oh god all that goblin cap jesus.

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>>149148810

>>149148874
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>149148935

>>149148874
Wait, did he remove a lot of stones and wood or change colors so he's got a lot? Cause that's decades of work.

>>149149008

The first pic I dunno, these last 2 were from one of my older fortresses, the wood isn't that uncommon.

>>149148572
The implication being they aren't so bad, just like hitler or being shot or getting cancer after being shot with a hitlerbullet.

>>149148185
Can you tell me what a 3x3 staircase would actually look like? Because a spiral staircase that size could be more accurately represented with ramps.

>>149149691
So there's nothing wrong with them except that they trigger your autism?

>>149149880
I'd say "they trigger my autism" is a pretty severe flaw, especially in a game like Dwarf Fortress.

>>149149880
Pathing conflicts. It's REALLY bad with animal trainers or just al ot of pets in general.

>>149150493
So what's your solution? Ramps? Sounds like a major pain in the ass to design

>>149152080
By the way, what about 2x3 stairs with half leading down and half up?

>>149150493
If you're going to meme at him at least get the logic behind the meme right.

>>149149880
3x3 stairs don't have "pathing conflicts" any more than staircases of any other size. They're slightly inefficient because the center tile will be redundant in most paths that use the staircase (which redundancy, incidentally, reduces conflicts). It's a meme because the quickstart guide recommends it and a lot of players never grow out of the habit.

>>149152080
I abuse dorf behavior to force them to climb all over.

>embark without axe
>dismantle wagon
>make carpentry workshop and axe out of wagon wood

why is this allowed

>>149153734
Training axes can't cut trees anymore

>>149153817
what the heckie

since this new update?

>>149152505
Do you really? The only reliable way I've figured out to force dwarves to climb is to dig the floor from under them while they're adjacent to a wall. How do you do it? I'd love a way to implement a climbing training program.

Alright I really need to learn pumps/power in order to ascend to the next stage of dwarfhood and make some magma powered monstrosities.

Why do the dwarfs keep putting the corpses of my military and soldiers into corpse stockpiles?

>>149154642
>why do dwarves put corpses in corpse stockpiles
>corpses
>corpse stockpiles
Gee anon it's a total mystery, I have no idea what could possibly cause this mysterious behavior.

>>149154859
I mean exclusively just soldiers. civilians instantly get put in a casket

>>149155030
Got enough caskets/coffins?

I'm so smart, I forbade cooking of all seeds so my fucks won't leave me without stuff to plant
Ehehe
By the way who wants plump helmet biscuit? I have plenty. Oh wait.

>>149154243
Up stair with a hole above it.

>>149155309
That doesn't work. Dwarves won't path into empty space and the wouldn't be able to reach the tile to path into it if they wanted to.

>>149155079
do I need to designate a casket of they're already in a stockpile?

>>149156374
You need to mark it for burial.

I have plenty of candy.

Should I equip my marksdwarves with it? I mean, it's pretty light like leather, but offers better protection.

>>149156971
If you've already armed and armored your melee troops, then sure.

>>149155197
Make sure they don't cook your booze too!

>>149159171
>not eating roasts made from exceptionally minced dwarven wine, exceptionally minced dwarven wine, exceptionally minced dwarven wine, and masterfully minced cat tallow

>>149160216
>deliciousness

>>149160216
>Cat Tallow.

YOU MONSTER

>>149155951
Huh, guess it works cause I have a bunch of way out of the way up/downs from other projects. I watched them go up an up stair, through an empty space and then about the z-level above it. When I checked they gained climbing skill and were getting better at it.

>>149160614
Population control > your plebian sense of right and wrong.

>>149161189
But..Mr. Meaowskirs had adopted a noble. :(

Will water from an aqueduct stop in a lake or must it flow off the map to stop rising?

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>no devlog

Toady I know you're lurking. Just post something to satiate me.

>>149161837
>Toady I know you're lurking
I'll post a devlog when you stop this stupid meme.

>>149162385
N-no

>>149160614
>>149160216
This is exactly why I only bring 1 cat, a boy, and anything else I put in a cage and sell back home. I never really fell for the ebin chinese food & babies in dangerrooms xDDDD lolsorandumb xD meme

Its looking like I'm going to have enough goblin, beak dog, troll, and night troll meat and fat to feed my fortress for the next 1000 years, and enough bone and leather for virtually ever.

Wellp, I've depopulated the local goblins to the point that only 11 are left out of well over a thousand.

Too bad they have 1035 beak dogs and 1035 trolls (not sure if their population is deducted like normies are) so my game still crashes if I visit them.

>>149037748
>>149040707
>>149041196
They unquestionably show up in adventure mode as well. Even after having killed over 1000 goblins (well, the night trolls and demons in the area helped), there's still a seemingly unlimited, roving blob of trolls and beak dogs outside my hamlet. I shall have to see if it depopulates the nearby dark fortress of beak dogs and trolls, or if their population is infinite.

Bizarrely, I've seen friendly animal armies as well. Not any of the helpful kind -- I did get followed by a group of horses, cows, cats, etc. Both the evil creatures and the nice animals were following me as separate asterixes. I had to circle around to ditch them, not wanting to lead a horde of adorkable domesticated animals into night troll, demon, and goblin central.

>>149058789
I had an ostrich man who became a citizen and then baron once I nominated him. He was also a legendary axebird? I guess

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>haunted tundra
>in the middle of gobbos empire
>near necro tower
>dwarves are extinct

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>>149167423
>embark
>6 undead ravens rape me

>>149167638
>not sending out a necromancer adventurer with his kool konstruction krew of 100 hands, necks, torsos and legs to construct an airtight fort for you first

>>149167917
Actually neat idea.

Anon gestures.
The thread shudders and begins to move!

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>>149169970
It's ded m8.
I may post some shit about my haunted embark when I have time to play (so Saturday evening)
Microcline best stone

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>>149170245

>>149170245
I actually agree. Microcline has a nice and unique color, just like law pewter and black bronze.

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>>149170245
>>149171093
Fossilized elf ancestors a best.

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>>149170245
>>149171093
>>149171514
End of discussion.

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Is marksdwarves tower effective vs undead wildlife?
Let's say I have unlimited amount of iron and bone bolts.

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I spent the day bruising the muscle through the dog leather cap. Now to strike the earth!

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>>149172257
With modern undead it'll be effective eventually, know what works better?

>>149171636
>not atom smashing all your porkoclase

>>149173914
Is there a properly pink stone? I can't think of one.

aaaand the thread returns to its burrow on page 10

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Can forgotten beasts kill themselves?

My military was a mess so I let the thing prowl down there, apparently he ram himself into a wall and died.

>>149179806
Like everything else they climb for no reason and fall, killing themselves.

>>149179806
If they have a dust emission they tend to sneeze and blast themselves across the room into a wall.

>>149180384
That's hilarious

>>149180384
Seems to be exactly what happened. He slammed into a wall, smashed his arm, ribs and shell.

is this update cycle done with

can I download the game and start playing

>hunters being faggots about using their crossbows
>ranger goes out unarmed in a biome full of crocodiles and hippos
>beats a fucking jaguar to death with his fists
hello there my new champion.

>tfw expert negotiator/persuader/appraiser broker
>trading away all my shitty mittens and worn out socks just to get rid of them
>can't even avoid giving a 'generous deal' because I want so little of what he has in return

As I was writing this, the problem solved itself:

Some dumb nigger is stuck operating the pump and is spilling all the water around. How do I unblock him? I already disabled his pump operating labor but he's still doing it. Other dwarves seemed to have no problems earlier.

Anyway I got a question: are water sources depletable?

>an enormous humanoid composed of vomit. Beware it's deadly dust!

Perhaps he'll slam himself as well.

>>149182904
depends on the water source. aquifer? no. river/lake/underground pond that goes off the map? no. small surface ponds or any body of water that is fully visible and fully contained by your map tile? should be.

>miner digging a well's emergency drainage pipe into the caves before I finally open the floodgates
>go check out some other things while he's working on that
>check back
>miner is drowning after falling out of the pipe exit in the ceiling and into the body of water a couple z-levels below
>accidentally channelled the vertical section instead of digging stairs
fuck

>>149183574
Better start engraving that slab.

>>149183574
try dropping some stone blocks down there or some wood

>>149182904
Update: the pump stopped working. what could have happened?

>>149183985
You turned off pump operator
You turned off the pump itself
It ran out of water so it looks like it stopped

You tell us anon.

>accidentally dun an unworkable 3x1 ramp down into the tavern
>had to build stairs on either side because it doesn't go anywhere, it's just a slant in the wall
>happens to be recessed into the room behind it; the food stockpile
>as such, it was caught in the stockpile designation
>after getting a bunch of food in trade it was apparently easier to just drop it from the second story onto the ramp than come down and place it in the stockpile or something, because the pile is empty, but the ramp is covered in cheese and lobster
>realize my dwarves have made a fancy display shelf of the nicest foods I bought, showcasing them to the entire hall
I'm leaving it.

>>149153883
You got toadyed son

>>149184673
I turned it off and on and it worked again. Then some idiot hunter chased a kangaroo through the water source and contaminated it with it's blood.

>>149179806
>>149180384
I saw one beast's deadly dust launch a blind cave ogre away so hard it hit a wall and somehow bounced back at the beast. The beast fell over and died from head injuries.

The ogre, now named "Hoaryeats", then died horribly as its body exploded into a cloud of miasma.

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>>149180568
>>149181130
Always funny.

>>149185775
Double funny!

>urist has a sudden mood for trees and bones
>assign all the layabouts in the tavern with woodcutting
>assign a tree of every type in the area to be cut down
>the entire crowd actually mobilizes as one, going from tree to tree like a horde of ants
>as each one falls they pick up all the logs and run as a cloud of worker ants carrying the logs to the stockpile before moving to the next tree
holy fuck this is so satisfying to watch

>>149175951
No. Microcline has some pink variants IRL, so I've changed it to pink before. I had mixed feelings about the results. I'll see if I can't find any screenshots from that fort.

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>>149187252
Do eet.

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>making a really nice channel and stairs to bring forgotten beasts up
>everything ready, all bridges and baits to trap it
>lower drawbridges
>FB coming
>it stopped midway for some reason
>some dog got lost there
>forgotten beast dies somehow

time for some gelding

You have struck threadite!

So I destroyed my wagon and am trying to move all my stuff to a stockpile for everything outside my fort. However, despite designating a box over the wagon stuff using the "reclaim" tool (which left no highlight) none of my dwarves are hauling any of it, instead opting to move the mined stones into the stockpile instead.

Is there any way to tie a room to a noble position?

>>149192952
Try making it a stockpile for _almost_ everything?
Dwarves love to spend months hauling a rock for some reason.

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>>149187252
>>149189429
Found them. This was from Judgecastles, which was abandoned for a new version around .42.03 or so.

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>>149193974
The red is sandstone, which I changed because I really dislike it when stone looks like wood, and is also a real thing. Next time I have an embark with sandstone I'll definitely do it again.
On a second look, I like the pink microcline more than I remember. Maybe I'll change it for Relicwebs too.

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>>149194318
It's nice to have a record of old forts to look back on and reminisce. We had fun in Judgecastles.

can somebody post some fortresses pics with graphic packs for a friend? want to show him things he can interpret

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>>149194882
That's why I always suggest newbies take lots of pictures. I like the pink too, looks like tunnel tube kinda.

>>149193558
They're dwarves.

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>mfw bamboo and panda's at embark

One already stubbed the toe of my mason...

I wish I could find concept art of Chinese dwarves, but all I can find are pick related.

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>>149195213
Well, since I'm already looking through the fort archives, here's a few shots of my personal jewel of 40.24. Foggyrags.
I didn't actually mean to use Phoebus in this fort, but I was using LNP to save me the hassle of configuring dfhack myself. I edited the raws before switching graphics to something else, and didn't feel like doing it again, so I just went with it.
I don't know how this will be any more coherent to a complete novice than ASCII would be, though.

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>>149195950
This was such a cool embark. I promised anon I would post the worldgen seeds and I never did. Sorry anon.

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>>149196230
For contrast, here's another 40.24 fort with CLA creature sprites and the default square tileset. I don't have as many screenshots for this fort, and most of the ones I do have are Armok Vision shots.

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>>149196721
Some of the AV shots are pretty good, though. I can't wait for the current version to get dfhack, I want to see Relicwebs in 3d.

how's the multicore changes been affecting everyone's speed here?

>>149196964
There hasn't been a multicore change.
The 64bit change (which I assume is what you mean) has had a negligible affect on speed, but it does a good job of preventing crashes from running out of memory as you long as you aren't playing on a potato.

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>The wax worker has become enraged!
So she's been here for about 8 days and has already started punching random people in the hallway. She doesn't look particularly stressed.
I swear the fortress is actually very comfy and the tavern does not resemble an overcrowded kennel at all.
Can dorfs just be inherently angry enough to start fights for no reason? Her profile does say she enjoys brawls.

>>149195367
>looks like tunnel tube kinda
Yeah, I think I used the same color that tunnel tube uses. There are only two pink options, and I probably went with the lighter one. I mean, I guess there are up to 16 pink options if you want to go nuts on your color scheme, but most schemes only have two. There was that one vaporwave color scheme, though. Those forts looked pretty radical, but I couldn't play that way for long.

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>>149198363

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>>149200157

>>149196932
that's fabulous, what visualizer is this? do any visualizers support multitile trees and not look retarded?

>>149203043
It's Armok Vision. I haven't tried it recently, but trees looked just okay last time I did. Cavern trees didn't have their proper colors, which was a real disappointment. It's had a lot of updates since then, so it might be better now.

>>149203460
cheers. now that I think of it I/m pretty sure I actually tried to get that running but I was waiting for dfhack to get implemented, and then I forgot and the next time I came back there was a new version. such is DF.

>>149175951

IRL there is. But I don't know the name.

Is there any chance we'll get firearms in DF? Maybe muskets or handguns?

It seems the tedious process of making gunpowder is right up Toady's alley.

>>149205057

No.

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>>149205257
Why did you give me such a blunt answer? You DO know that hurts my feelings, don't you?

>>149205456
>>149205456
Suck it up

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>>149197573
The brawl somehow spread into the tavern. The "interesting" air instrument performance was cut short as blood, wine and vomit spilled everywhere.

From looking at the game logs, it started with the Wax Worker becoming enraged in the hallway, suddenly trying to punch a random Pump Operator. The Pump Operator promptly grabbed her throat and broke her foot, leaving her collapsed on the floor. At this point, an unemployed Manager ran to attack the Pump Operator and several others joined the fight.

The Pump Operator suffered extensive internal bruising, a torn neck and is currently spreading blood and vomit everywhere. Some Planter is fainting in the hallway from a mangled lung and spinal injuries. The Manager broke several of his toes and is also bleeding from the neck. The hospital probably doesn't have enough beds.

Please enjoy the ale, visitors!

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>>149204925
There are lots of them. Pic related is microcline. There are also pink granites, pink marbles, pink sandstones, pink chalcedony, some cinnabar, some cassiterite, and plenty more.