/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

ABSOLUTE MADMAN HE DIDN'T DO IT
R&I ON SUICIDE WATCH

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Nicholas

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>>148331237
>>148331253
Butthurt R&I brigade shitposting imminent

How do I win the 100 year was as ENG 1492 start Seems hard

Shut it down.

>>148331335
Build longbowmen up until your forcelimits and wait for the Duke of Halford event

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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>>148331335
>>148331245

>>148331156
>ended in German defeat
wew

>>148331921
Dude nice meme

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>>148331875

>>148331386
Okay should I sit in my ports? Or defend the channel?

>>148331875
t. Cobra mad he fucked up his falseflag

>>148332198
Take the fight to the French, longbowmen are useless for defense. Just wait for the general and wreck the French in the shock phase.

where the FUCK can I find a download link for HIP?

Anyone else find the Ideology system in HOI4 sorely lacking in depth?

>Democratic ideology is the default "good guy" ideology where you can't invade and conquer other countries despite there not really being any reason that a democratic nation couldn't do this.
>Communism just thrown out there with democracy and facism despite the fact that communism is a socio-economic ideology, not a political ideology (for example, you could have a Democratic-Communist country or a Fascist-Communist country because Communism refers to how wealth and power are distributed within the economic system, not the political sub-structures)
>No option for capitalism, despite the inclusion of communism\
>No dual ideology system that allows stuff as I mentioned above

Shit's so basic and innaccurate, it's basically three options, 'Good guy' (Democratic), 'Bad Guy' (Fascist) or 'Russian Guy' (Communist).

Where's the fucking political nuance? Why can't I be a Collectivist-Democratic nation or a Fascist-Individualist nation?

Really annoying honestly.

>>148332421
Cheers lad

>>148332483
>Anyone else find HOI4 sorely lacking in depth?
FTFY

>>148332483
>muh social democrats
go vote for hillary, bernfag

>>148332483
You played the game having expectations.That's your problem.

>>148332483
hope you've realized by now that the entire fucking game is lacking in depth

Vicky 2 HPM, whats the best national value for Japan?

>>148332483
it gets even better. metaxas in greece was a fascist who got power through a coup, admired hitler, had his followers hail him and even had formed a "fascist youth" group.

yet they put him on democratic (or non-aligned, can't remember), because the gams assumes that having the same ideology or government structure equals an alliance.

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>>148332442
anyone?

have a pic for attention

>>148332892
Nice Yugoslavia!

>>148332892
Radical

>>148332928
Nah, not radical enough

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

Why Parodox is turning CKII into VIKINGS Women who ruled world game?

Why is it that when I have a civil war in my country they somehow join Japan in my existing war with them (fascist civil war).

THEN I take all the territory from the fascist but somehow all of my factories and manpower follow the occupied rules.

TL;DR Why do I not control entire country again even though ive crushed the rebels (Multiplayer)

>>148333092
>doesn't say what country he's playing as

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>>148333092
Reminder that realism is not a meaningful argument

>>148333092
HOI 4 btw

>>148333092
because you're playing a shitty game

>>148333156
I'm Australia but why does that matter?

It's just so retarded that even though ive taken my territory back it falls under "occupied"

Fucking stupid

Don't get me started on the boosting popularity system. Holy fucking shit there is no way to stop it at all.

>>148332842
Order or Productivity

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>>148332892
>Austroslovakia
>Caucasus matryoshka

>>148331335
>100 Years War
>1492

niceme.me

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This dynasty semen is cursed I swear to God. Give me sons already ffs

when do the Mongols invade? I'm playing as the Khitan nomads who live in what is Mongolia but it's the year 1127 now and I was thinking that when the Mongols come I will get wrecked.

If the Mongols invade me will they get my land or will they just make me their vassal? because if they make me their vassal, I think it'd be OK. But I don't want to lose the game yet. Should I migrate somewhere else before the Mongols come?

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Anyone know how to change a country's ruling party in your game save file in hoy3? I don't want a fascist party ruling my Danubian Union.

>>148334329
HIP?

>>148334314
>knyaz

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>>148332892
Thats not Yugoslavia.
It needs a better name.

>>148334378
What mod????

>>148334536
Rurikovichs usurped Poland.

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>>148334378
>>148334634
Self-modded HPP for some mad communist roleplaying

France is gonna GET IT

>>148334496
no, just vanilla

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>>148334736
>Polid
As a slav im deeply offended by that font

>>148334824
didnt the poles give up on Cyrilic

>>148334905
Yeah, we use normal alphabet, although with a couple extra letters.

>>148334905
Im not a pole, im a Serb mate

>>148334978
>normal alphabet
sure thing mr. Brzęczyszczykiewicz

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>there will never be a grand strategy game set in the classical world that isn't shit

>>148334905
>didnt the poles give up on Cyrilic

we never give up on cyrilic because we never use her

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>>148334978
>imblying
Best Cyrillic coming right through.
We used South German as base for grammar

>>148335370
No we won't

>>148335370
who you calling a nerd faggot

>>148335280
I still prefer normal alphabet over slav runes

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How much is rightful Italian clay? Keep in mind I still have a war with the UK ahead

>>148335370
No we dont argue over anything, fuck you

>>148335605
>not taking it all

>>148335682
>Blobbing

>>148335682
>blobbing like a mad man
You disgust me.

>>148335787
>>148335797
>not reclaiming Roman Empire borders as Italy
You disgust me

>>148335605
Might as well take Montenegro in addition to the rest for the perfect Adriatic coast.

>>148335605
leave out moldavia and moldova

>>148335370
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6833963/b8357713/bidsprinkhaan_heeft_verrassing.html

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>cant form alliances with other religions
what did johan mean by this

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>>148336041

>>148336058
That islam is the only true faith.

Is winning the Oriental Crisis as Egypt in HPM hard ?

I just finished my first tutorial game with Purssia and am looking for something more challenging but not too crazy now.

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I'm divorcing fuck this shit. Fuck women.

>>148336605
Its okay as long as you dont end up with GPs involved.
Otherwise even if you win it GP will force you to give your stuff back to Ottomans.

>>148336605

No not really, if you get great powers to support you. If Russia joins on Ottomans' side you're fucked though, so might have to save scum a bit.

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This should be just about right. Any colonies I'm missing for resources?

Took all the adriatic and making Serbia a satellite. Will puppet France next turn.

>>148336735

Take southern France ffs. How are you going to recreate the Roman Empire?

>>148336632
Did you anger a local witch or something?

Seems like you've been cursed to never have a son to be your heir.

>>148336850
That's the most gsg way to call someone a permavirgin

>>148336632
Go for the seventh daughter of a seventh daughter

>>148336837
Not blobbing, sorry. Reddit has done it a thousand times go see it there

Is it weird that I find CKII to be one of the harder games?

It just feels like a lot of waiting and relying on random chance with a pace that makes playing max speed still feel sluggish.

>>148337087
>expanding your tiny nation by a small amount is blobbing
>implying there is anything wrong with blobbing

How is it attempting to play EUIV as Native Americans or an African nation? How does it compare to a more traditional nation choice?

How does Leventine culture spawn in CK2 HIP?

I've been a Francique ruler of Mashriq provinces for about 100 years and there's not been any culture melding events yet.

Or is it only available in the character creator?

>>148336605
Raise relations with russia(over 100) and france and let otto occupy desert areas. When attrition wears them down just roll them.

>>148337087
>HoI4
>Not blobbing
lad...

Is it possible to conquer the whole world in HOI4?

Like, as in literally take over the entire fucking planet with your one single country, not as part of some faggy alliance?

>>148337880
yes

>>148337464
It's like watching paint dry
Until europeans start bordering you
Then it's 5 mins of fun struggling and game over.

>>148337464
I think Aztecs are not that bad

>>148337464
boring as fuck

>>148337464
>Injuns
Spend fucking FOREVER as either a OPM nomading around via the tribal migration mechanic or blob up and gobble up the entirety of North America. Or fuck around mindlessly with the Aztecs. For fucking EVER.

Until Euro's arrive, at which point you get your shit pushed in.

Africa is a little better as you can fuck around with more tribes and maybe get a better tech group from Muzzies or Indians.

Either way, both are really fucking boring as there's not a whole lot to do. Everything moves so fucking slowly.

>>148337880
If people did it in HoI3 and Victoria 2, it sure as hell is possible in such a shitty game like HoI4

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>>148336632
And finally divorced. God will give me a son since I'm crusading, right?

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>tfw fielding 10000 airplanes to gain air superiority in the english channel
>tfw most efficient air wing size is 3
Th-thanks, Johan

>>148338982
Was this documentary an one-shot only or is there more episodes/sequels to it? I watched it last week and its awesome.

>>148335916
>moldavia and moldova
fucking hell man, there's only one

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>/gsg/ would consider this an unrealistic blob if it never happened in history

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>>148338982
>tfw during less than 3 weeks the anglo loses more than 20000 planes
Seems like 3 really is efficient

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haven't played in a while
is WC possible without fuckery this patch?

>/gsg/ would've considered this an unrealistic blob if it never happened in history.

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>''''''''''''''''''''enrolling''''''''''''''''''''
Why are paradox such cucks and don't call it kidnapping and slavery? Are they afraid they're gonna lose on the cockroach market?

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>according to /gsg/ napoleon was just a blobbing EU4 casual

>>148339370
Considering it collapsed almost as soon as Alexander died from overextending. Yeah, it is.

>>148339725
>Alexander died from overextending.
Alexander didn't really die from overextending

>>148339825
My bad, just about to go to sleep. But yeah, as soon as Alexander the Great died, the whole thing fell apart.

>>148339676
Napoleon got fucked by aggressive expansion and rightfully so. Also his client states were to have some degree of autonomy, correct?

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WE

>>148338982
>>148339437
What like
3 planes per wing?

So like you have 300 wings of only 3 planes each?

>>148339676
He got fucked for it.

>>148340405
>making Darius look like an ancient Greek
what the fuck

>>148340405
>that black persian messenger in 300

>>148339458
>EU4
No matter what they do, yes, it will always be possible, because paradrones and reddit love blobbing

>>148340405
WUZ

>>148340405
Cleopatra is also a nigress in civ rev

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QWEENZ

>>148341016
But Egypt actually had nubian dynasties and black elite class so it doesn't suprise me that cleopatra was black

>>148341162
but she wuz greek and shiiet yo

>>148341162
There was one nubian dynasty. One. And Cleopatra was Macedonian

>>148341162
>cleopatra was black
>cleopatra was egyptian
ebin

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>>148340405
>>148341016
>>148341281
>>148341294
>>148341302
Why can't you racist right wingers just accept that there were great PoC civilizations too?

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>>148341506
This desu, pathetic white pissbabies can't accept the truth

>>148341605
Literally me on the left

>>148341605
We can accept that there were great POC civilizations. Just stop saying every single world leader we don't have a picture of is black.

>>148341162
True.
But Cleopatra was a fucking Greek not a Nubian.

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>>148338847
I hijacked most of the sieges and battles and won the crusade. Should I move to Sicily?

>>148341854
Ancient Greeks- Black
Romans- Black
French- Black

Lmao all your white culture was stolen from us. We were philosophers while you whitebois were still in caves

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>>148341294
>macedonians are white

>>148341948
this

whitebois were just neanderthals living in caves while we were exploring space, mathematics and astrology. We were not always slaves.

>>148342018
wtf I love Macekangions now

>>148341854
You whites didn't even have fucking baths before Moors introduced them to you, and as a Korean I have to be truthful and say that up to the 1700s China has always been superior to the west

>>148341948
Ancient Greeks- Germanic aryans
Romans- Germanic aryans
French- Germanic aryans

Look the fact is that all of the great civilizations throughout history were only possible because they were created and lead by ancient pure blooded germanic aryans

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>>148342092
>>148342214
pic related: moor teaching white lady how to bathe

get rekt whitebois

>>148342214
>Germans literally shitting in the street until the 1800s
>DAS RITE ALL DEM KANGDOMS WUZ GERMAN GNOMESAYIN

When was the last time HPM was here? Also when is the next update?

>>148342295
What? I agree that Germany was shit up until Charlemagne, but after that it was the most developed western country alongside italy and france

>>148342436
Sadly, Alex got beheaded by a drug cartel in Rio Del Janeiro.

His brother, Roberto Grandi has picked up his mod but he is nowhere as great a modder as Alex.

>>148342436
he doesn't post here anymore

check the HPM megathread on paradoxplaza reddit tho

>>148342054
When did BLM join 4chan?

>>148342279
>tumblr
pottery

>>148342652
4chan was founded by a black guy you fucking idiot racist, Chris Da Pool

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What do petroleum miners and fish farmers look like?

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>>148340550
3333 to be precise
It's killing me

>>148342652
4chan was a black website created by Christ da Po'ol till white racists covered it up. It was home to a group of black nationalists called Ano'n eyy moos and they wore black masks, not white ones.

stay woke niggas

>>148342710
It's a real painting you fucking white male
t. great arts degree

>>148342906
wtf I love 4chan now

Reminder you need absolutely no education to extract petroleum in an oil field

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>>148341913
Goodbye Prussia! As a bonus, I get agnatic-cognatic succession so my no sons problem is solved. And the pope will crown me which is pretty cool. Now I gotta get rid of all the crusaders who got landed under me to consolidate my demesne.

>>148343332
you look like some wigger weed head lmao

>>148343632
Hello anime

>>148343632
>morning
>it's already afternoon

>>148344095
>>148343632
>morning
>It's 1832

>>148343632
>living on the west coast of Canada, the US or Mexico

>>148343632
G'day mate

>>148339676
What would have happened if napoopan never went to russia?

>>148344124
I thought it's CURRENT YEAR

>>148343632
Hi anime, how does Alaska look like?

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>>148279256
The 20th of August, 1323, is the officially recognized date for the commencement of what will come to be known as the "Eastern Reformation." On this date Bourgogne Aleramici, Queen of Jerusalem, propagated the law which permitted her to revoke any title of a heretic or heathen at will. Regardless of what her vassals thought of the degree, they could not contest her will; the legacy of her father, Baudouin VI, was writ large over the decree, for it was he who bequeathed to his daughter a Kingdom wherein the monarch could not be questioned.

A week after the declaration Bourgogne made her next move, this time against the two Holy Orders which she knew would never convert to her chosen faith. Rather than spending the rest of her reign attempting to pacify men who could, by their very oaths, never be pacified, Bourgogne decided to simply remove them. Making use of her new decree on heresy, she accuses the leaders of both the Knights Hospitaller and Knights Templar of heresy, the Knights Hospitaller based on a breach of their knightly contract due to behaving as feudal lords, and the Knights Templar by means of myriad fabricated falsehoods with just sufficient truth as to be barely believable, crafted by Bourgogne based off of tales she had heard from the Grandmaster of the Templars, Fosco Ventimiglia... a man who considered her a friend.

"Bourgogne," he cried to her as her men escorted his forces to the docks of Maraclee at spearpoint, "this is madness! We have done no such things as you accuse us of! Hanging peasants? Stealing from the burghers? Heresy!? We have always served Christ, and I know you know it well! Why are you doing this?"

"I am sorry, my friend," she sighed. "You are caught in the midst of a larger fight, I am afraid. I do not wish to do this to you, but trust me when I say that, when you reach Venice, you will learn why I have done as I have. You would not like to remain in Jerusalem, my friend. It is soon to be a very inhospitable place."

>have music turned off
>wireless headset
>lay down on bed while waiting for Hoi4 to load
>with music off the thunder and rain sound effects still play at menu
>find them incredibly relaxing and nearly fall asleep

Damn.

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>>148342295
>being this mad all his history was only possible thanks tom superior germanic aryans

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>>148344575
Fucking finally, Hail Lucifer!

>>148344575
I'm sorry, but this is pretty damn stupid. I've loved the campaign so far, but this Messalian bullshit is retarded.

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>>148344575
Shiiiiiieeeet.

>>148345012
Embrace the memes, it's fun.

>>148345012
it spices thing up and makes sense in character

there is literally nothing else left to do as a catholic ruler, the crusader states already blobbed way too fucking much anyhow

>>148331156
Maybe we should make a new thread, the OP image here is wrong.

>>148345012
As I said before anon, I'm primarily doing it because I need something to keep the AAR interesting. Without making an enemy of pretty much everyone around me, I don't have any threats to face any longer. Islam is destroyed, the Mongols are Christian (and I've fucked them up so hard they wouldn't even be scary if they weren't), the Byzantine Empire is in a similar state of decay, etc. I need to make people hate me again so I'll be in some real danger. This is a good way to do that.

And, in terms of traits and what Bourgogne wants as a character, Messalianism is truly the best option. Also, note that I'm not indulging in the incest part of Messalianism except under rare circumstances (lunatic, zealous/lustful, etc.). One of Bourgogne's goals is to suppress that particular part of the ideology, although I admit it's still a bit memey considering we literally worship Lucifer.

Still, in Messalian ideology Lucifer is a benevolent entity, so it's not like we're literally worshiping Satan as other Christians identify him.

>>148342551
>implying he wasn't killed while fighting for the caliphate in Syria

>>148344354
He probably wouldn't have lost his army to general winter and today France would be the dominant member of the EU.

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>>148342803

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kek

Kilwa attacked me the same time Natives and anti westernization faggots revolved

They had around 40k tropps, split into 30k and 10k stacks all in our African border. I had around 32k troops (with mercenaries), and about 6k were in Madagascar. The rest were split into 18k and 8k stacks.

I raised more mercs (I had a lot of gold stashed) and went to attack the rebels in South Africa. We had about 5k more people and prevailed (got some lucky rolls). At the same time, more rebels popped up in my capital in Sri Lanka, while Ayutthaya (30k), Dali (20k) and Lan Xang (15k) joined the war against Kilwa and friends (Pasai and Pattani, who controlled the Malay Peninsula and Java respectively)

Pasai sent about 20k troops to seize Sri Lanka and killed the rebels for me, but they went back when their islands were besieged by my allies. My 8k stack in Africa got deleted by Kilwa's deathstack, while I fought a war of attrition and killed his 10k stack (barely) after evading his troops.

Meanwhile, I sent my 5k soldiers to take Sri Lanka back, and my other troops were trapped between Ayutthaya's (who raised the War Exhaustion of Kilwa). We fought a big war, and despite having much lower morale and 5k less troops, we did well, but we lost. They were so exhausted though, I grabbed away a peace deal and two provinces, even though he could have won the war. (since he rekt most of my galleys in a naval battle)

Pic related is my Kingdom in 1656

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>tfw half your children are inbred lunatics after two generations of brother-sister inbreeding

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>>148344575
Ever cautious, Bourgogne decides to wait a full month before finally taking the step which can never be reversed: on the 30th of September, after spending a week in the city of Irbid, she fakes a religious revelation in the presence of its Messalian peoples. With Bishop Alp Arslan and (by arrangement) Duc Tutus present, Bourgogne is immediately baptized in the Messalian creed, to the rapturous cries of the men and women surrounding her.

For centuries, unto the modern day, historians have attempted to contextualize the Eastern Reformation as part of a larger historical movement. The earliest histories of the conversion--which were inherently biased--asserted that Bourgogne was either the Antichrist sent to destroy the world or an inspired perfect being touched by God, but, as tempers cooled, both of these views were eventually discarded (although the Catholic faith, to this day, claims that Bourgogne was the Antichrist). The first historians to seriously study the conversion of the peasants of Gerasa and Bourgogne's own conversion claimed that it was part of a major revival of Eastern syncreatic beliefs, hence the name of the momentous event, the "Eastern Reformation." Later historians claimed that it was part of a larger series of major Eastern conversions stemming from roots in the conversion of the last Bagration King of Georgia, Tamari, to Apostolic Christianity in the late 12th century, and Ogodei Khan's similar conversion. Even later, historians of the industrial age would, ironically, come closer to the truth than any of their predecessors by indulging in a gross anachronism: the Messalian revival was thought to be a mixed class and gender revolution, the first serious attempt to achieve equality of opportunity in a society. Those industrial-era historians got it half-right, for the Eastern Revival, if anything, was a gender revolution of sorts, one completely orchestrated by a woman tired of being looked down upon for her sex alone.

>>148346157
Thanks, I will try to get the spice islands first and then taiwan. Japan just got exploration so I doubt Sakhalin will remain available, but the europeans really seem inept at doing anything so far (muscovy got fucked by lithuania, sweden and bukhara)

The most eastern colony is a french one in Africa, which I settled near it to westernize

>>148345537
>This is a good way to do that.
is this even true in game terms ?

I thought the catholics won't give a fuck about you since you aren't a catholic heresy, just a small religious differences modifier

>>148346323
thumb icon

>>148346290
>Declare Messalian Emancipation
What does that do?

>>148346323
just say thanks you autist
>>148346421
Venetians and Greeks

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>>148345976
What?

>>148331156
What game should I play for the best Napoleonic Experience lads? Already done Napoleon's legacy and March of the Eagles seems simplistic.

>>148346547
EU4

>>148346504
Activates the memes

>>148346514
Am I supposed to thank every one of them? Sounds autistic desu

>>148345976
As you can see in this pic, the black man is painting his face white, trying to act like someone who knows how to use a pc

>>148346728
depends how many people wished you birthday, if its too many just post "thanks for all your wishes!!" and just reply to your friends/relatives/whatever

>>148346450
I'm going to modify the game files (provided I can figure out how) so that my particular religion can be targeted for holy wars and can target for holy wars in return.

>>148346504
It makes you a religion independent of Nestorianism, effectively a branch of that parent religion but regarded as its own separate ideology. It prevents you from ever overthrowing your parent religion (so Nestorianism would never become a heresy if I activated that decision), but it also makes it impossible, in in-game terms, to be targeted by holy wars and whatnot, similar to Orthodoxy for Catholicism, etc.

>>148346728
like their post

>>148330190
Based Kojak

Next AMA when?

>>148346847
Show the CoA of the Army of Lucifer when you form it, I'm curious.

>>148346801
Venetians are not Italians, Italians are germanic and arabic rapebabies while the only time Venetians were ""conquered" was in the late 18th century by Nap*leon and just given to Austria later on. Most Venetians don't consider themselves Italian

t. venetiANO

>>148346820
Sounds like something a girl would do

>>148347098
>doesn't know arabs conquered Sicily

kek, stay mad terrone

>>148347098
they didn't

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>>148346939
Have to crop the image to avoid spoilers and such, since I played ahead, but here it is.

>>148347098
They use their pyramidal spaceships

>>148347189
>gradient on a medieval Coat of Arms
Would you like me to correct that?

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>>148343332
Oh shit, the curse is broken!
Im gonna kill him cause my first daughter is a genius

Alright, can we put the memes aside for a moment and all agree that, for what it set out to do, HoI4 is a success? It gave us a WWII grandstrat free from all the archaic bullshit of Darkest Hour, and also much easier to get into then HoI3. Can anyone here honestly say they enjoy wasting an hour to fix their OoB every time they start a game of HoI3? Not to mention that, rather than needing to tediously micromanage industry like in other HoI games, HoI4's industry is both streamlined as well as more intuitive than the previous games. Yeah, it's true that HoI4 leads to more "ahistorical" scenarios, but isn't that the point? Why even bother playing the game if the outcome is predetermined form the start? Moreover, from a pure gameplay perspective, giving the player more options, whether they be historical or ahistorical, is a total success. Sure, Mosley ruling Britain never could have happened in reality, but it's fun to have the ability to easily do so in video game form.

Overall, I feel that HoI4 is getting a lot of undeserved hate simply because it isn't a total copy of HoI3 with slightly better graphics. Of COURSE the game is different - HoI3 already exists, there would be no point to making the same game again! HoI4 may be different, but that's by design, not by some unforeseen flaw, and it should be celebrated for the changes it made, not hated on.

>>148347313
I'm still too retarded to replace CoAs, but since this is technically a flag it shouldn't be as hard. I hope.

If you want to spend the time on it, go for it. I just can't promise I won't go full retard and literally be incapable of figuring out how to put it into the game again, although like I said I think title flags are easier.

>>148347779
no

>>148347228

What, both Venice and Sicily are part of Italy

>>148347779
nice meme

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>>148346290
While Bourgogne distributes most of the land and titles she has acquired from the seizure of the lands of the Knights Templar and Hospitaller to her vassals in a bid to buy their loyalty to her new faith, she has reserved some to grant as a personal fief for the newly-appointed Grandmaster of the Army of Lucifer, Leon. While later accounts--which would be worked into the official Massalian canon in the 16th century--claim that Leon was a minor angel sent by Lucifer to aid Bourgogne in spreading the true faith to the world, the truth is much less glamorous: in reality, Leon was just a hedge knight who had stopped at Irbid a week before Bourgogne's arrival and converted once he heard that Perfect Messalians were not held accountable for their actions.

Nevertheless, he is one of the only French-speaking Messalians Bourgogne has available, and his passable martial skill makes him her one and only real candidate. He is granted the counties of Tortosa and Hama in full in return for swearing vassalage to Jerusalem and its ruler for all time, "in perpetual service to the agent of Lucifer on Earth."

While his force starts minuscule and undisciplined--little more than a band of mercenaries parading as agents of God, in truth--to the shock of both Leon and Bourgogne, Nestorian faithful would soon come out of the desert in droves to reach Jerusalem, many of them signing on as soldiers of the Army of Lucifer as their only real prospect. Within a year, the Army would be a major fighting force in service to the Queen.

>>148347779

HoI4 is broken as fuck and really boring to play ATM. I don't want to beat Germany as Poland by drawing a single line to Berlin.

>>148347825
I made CoAs for religious orders before for another anon and they seemed easy to implement. Would you like me to just improve on the Sun design (Lucifer bringer of light would suit it well) or do something different you may have in mind?

>>148347228
Holy fuck, are you baiting you fucking retard? I just said that Venetians are NOT Italians, despite being part of Italy. And Sicily is part of Italy faggot

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Not playing this one any further (have done the whole 'invade London' thing before) but I think it turned out well

>>148348113
Do you happen to have a screenshot of the flavour text you get when you form the Army of Lucifer?

What does /gsg/ think about Mordhau?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-B4AwgArwA

>>148348116
I like the sun design, especially the color of the sun against the black background, but I think it might not convey "star of the morning" well enough. I don't really know how to fix that, though, if it's even a problem.

I'd say just to remove the gradient, unless you've got a personal idea for how it might be improved and want to test it out. There's no need to, though.

>>148348223
You don't get anything, it literally just comes into existence. Probably an oversight because of how minor Messalianism is.

>>148348186
>>148348352
wrong thread

>>148348352
> can't even take greece
Nice joke.

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>>148348535
I changed the design of the sun for the Oriflamme sun (which comes from French heraldry, as a nod to the French culture of the Kingdom) and removed the gradients.
Also I used that green template the other anon was using the other day to make sure it'd look good in-game.
What do you think?

>>148348619
Greece was my ally fighting against the UK and I hadn't re-positioned my armies yet. Can't be fucked doing the whack-a-mole that is defeating the UK desu, especially since I've done it before.

>>148348789
Liberate a small Hungary

>>148342551
>Del

>>148348717
Looks good. Now I've just got to see if I can find out where the file to replace is.

>>148342551
>tfw there is a chance he died in the train crash in Italy

>>148348789
>GroßAustriums AI
what

>>148348980
>expecting me to remember the name of the capital of some 3rd world zika infested shithole

>>148349164
>capital

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>>148348113
In order to encourage the conversion of her vassalage Bourgogne was not only required to parcel out land, but also an incredible amount of gold. Later figures patched together with the use of surviving ledgers estimate the amount gifted as bribes to her vassals could have exceeded 1,800 ducats in value, plus or minus some 200 ducats.

Regardless of the total amount the figure was a staggering one, but it did serve as incentive for the vast majority of the Jerusalemite vassalage to convert rapidly, and for the new adherents of Messalianism to be particularly loyal to Bourgogne; they even willingly acknowledged Bourgogne's chosen heir, Bourgogne II, shortly before the Reformation reached its one year anniversary.

By the time that anniversary arrived there were not many in Jerusalem left to challenge the new order. The only Duc who had not embraced the Reformation was Duc Ademar of Oultrejourdain, who continued to attempt to rally supporters to "launch an invasion of the city of Jerusalem, and to raise up Payen of Yemen as King!" His cries were largely ignored by a suitably bribed and comfortable vassalage, however, and he was left mostly isolated in his struggle for Catholicism. Only Comtes could help him, and all Catholic Comtes in the realm were vassals to other Ducs who had already converted; the writing was on the wall, and their days of Catholicism were already numbered.

Contrary to the expectations of Bourgogne, although it had cost her almost all of her reputation--the furious letters, hundreds of them, from rulers and clergymen all across Europe and Africa attested to that--and a sizable chunk of her wealth, she had actually created a more stable state than she had possessed before the Reformation. Jerusalem could raise over 50,000 zealous souls in service now, all eager to march to battle.

When Bourgogne received unexpected news from Europe, she knew that she now had a place for them to march to.

>>148349220
>expecting me to remember the capital of some 3rd world zika infested shithole

>expecting me to remember the capital of a former colony which are notorious for picking bad capitals

how does the eu4 to vic 2 converter work lads

like, how is population, state names, formable countries and shit all worked out?

>>148349340
>notorious

>>148349340
>capital

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>>148349237
>Unexpected news from Europe
IT BEGINS

>>148349237
>Hamelin, Comte of Hamtab
>Ayyubiyun
>Francique
>Catholic
wew

>>148349340
>former

>>148349352
pls

>>148349340
>Anonymous 07/13/16(Wed)12:40:23 No.148349340 ▶>>148349430 >>148349508 >>148349809
> >>148349220
> >expecting me to remember the capital of some 3rd world zika infested shithole
> >expecting me to remember the capital of a former colony which are notorious for picking bad capitals

>>148349340
>expecting

>>148349891
>capital

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>>148347613
And I hoped for a son so much. This poor guy came too late, she will rule after me.

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>>148349430
>>148349508
>>148349809
>>148349891
>>148349907

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>>148348717
>>148349007
Hey, I'm not retarded! I got it working in-game, and it looks great. Thanks AFPG!

>>148349237
>mad genius daughter to inherit Messalian Jerusalem
Top wew.

>>148350062
Glad you like it. If you need anything else, tell me. I'll be reading your posts.

>he doesn't unironically know the capital of every single sovereign country as of january 2008

>>148342436
I'm mainly busy with work, so I didn't get anything done since the last release.

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>>148350479
>he cares about nonwhite hellholes

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>>148349237
Keiser Berthold II von Sponheim was elected Holy Roman Emperor shortly before the Eastern Reformation began, in 1322. Ever since he had been elected he had been involved in myriad wars, however, some in France and some involving his ally Germanos, the neutered Basileius of the Basileia Rhomaion. These conflicts have served to prevent him from receiving his crown from the hands of the Pope and, as a consequence, technically leave room for a claimant to proclaim themselves the true Holy Roman Emperor.

Or Empress.

Bourgogne's mother was Gudrun von Limburg, daughter to Keiser Albrecht the Black. One of the longest-reigning Emperors, Albrecht ruled from 1230 to 1274 and, in spite of his name, was generally well-regarded by the Imperial vassalage. Bourgogne is now the last surviving child of Gudrun, and the final inheritor of her claim. She is the heir of Albrecht the Black, and the voice of Lucifer on Earth.

In the name of her faith and her claim, she will strike a blow at the very heart of Catholicism: she will claim the Holy Roman Empire, and wipe its Catholic sanctity from it. In the process she will spread Messalianism to the very heart of Europe, so that it is no longer some vague and distant threat, but a clear challenge to the Pontifex Maximus.

She will teach them they have done wrong.

SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS. LUCIFER TRAIN HAS NO BRAKES.

IMUS IN NOMINE LUCIFERI!

>new thread isn't massively behind the bump limit
gg lads

>>148350479
capital of Papua New Guinea and East Timor without looking them up

>>148350659
Port something and East Timor

>>148350620
wew lad
This AAR is getting shittier every post

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>>148350620

>>148350559
I do hope you get some time soon, i want to ask what will you do with the mess that is called Vienna Conference and GP irredentism

Anyone else come here from reddit for HPM? Does anyone know where he is?

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>>148350620
>Messalian Jerusalem vs Holy Roman Empire
This is better than anything I ever expected.

>>148350913
t. cobra

I'm friends with turkslayer, cobra, and kojak and part of all their groups
should i just kill myself lads?

>>148350913
Right now if i recall he has a job in Italy.
Thats all he disclosed to us.

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>>148350620

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>>148350790
>posting thumbnails

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>>148351178
yes

>>148351305
>implying kojak's gruppe raids

>>148351305
gsgmp isn't actually bad unlike the other 2 groups.

>>148350620
You better just give the Empire to someone else and remain in Jerusalem. I want to see a Jerusalemite Empire, not a G*rman Empire.

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>>148350620
As her levies gather on their ships and the Army of Lucifer whips them into a zealous frenzy, Bourgogne receives word that the Crusade for Livonia has ended in success. The current King, Sunifred, is still terribly weak, but he has at least regained sea access and a semblance of power with the victory of the Crusade.

"Utter foolishness," Bourgogne writes in her diary. "What Silvester would say now, as I sail for the Holy Roman Empire and the seat he once occupied, if he knew that his dedication to the frozen north would see him lose one of the very vitalmost parts of his patrimony, the one dearest to him. I wish he were still alive, just so that he could see it and know what his decision has wrought."

>>148351438
>>148351508
t. kojak

>>148350728
Moresby.

>>148350907
You mean the one about the results of the eastern question?
GP irredentism gets a little more complicated. The UK, being an island, doesn't really have any place to get irredentist on. Most GPs are already pretty strong (or big) too, irredentism has little point with a few exceptions. Some GPs, like the Ottoman Empire, already have a few decisions to cover that (Montenegro, Romania, and Tripoli) or get that when another nation is dismantled (Spain).

>>148351597
t.urdlayer

>>148351516
Don't worry, the focus of this AAR is always going to be on the ruler of Jerusalem. Whatever happens in the Reich, it will only be a temporary diversion before the focus shifts back to Jerusalem.

>>148351438
>>148351508
shitposting your MP games in the thread is raiding

also they get involved in stemgruppe wars which bleeds over to the thread

>>148351696
You better take Iraq, Mecca and form a Jerusalemite Empire, I bet AFP can make a cool CoA for it on top of that.

>>148351438
>>148351508
Still he isnt doing anything to stop individual shitposting
>>148351714
>multiplayer is raid
Stop with the autism

>>148351808
>Still he isnt doing anything to stop individual shitposting
Literally nothing can be done about that if they never talk about it
Face it, everyone shitposts. Once you enter this site it's like breathing.

>>148351934
Except he always knew who the shitposters are, but he didn't care because they joined MP.

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>>148352116
noice may may

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>>148351576
In early January Bourgogne's forces land at Istria, looking to seize the coast as a point of retreat before pushing into the Imperial interior toward Karnten, the current capital and residence of Keiser Berthold. It is the hope of her chief commander, Duc Roger Aleramici of Acre, that they will be able to capture the Keiser there and end the war in one swift assault, without ever having to face the Imperial forces of either defender, Holy Roman or Byzantine.

Duc Roger and Bourgogne both overestimate the strength of the Keiser, both in men and in willpower. Terrified by the "heathen army of Satan" at his doorstep and already losing most of the other wars he is involved in, Keiser Berthold surrenders before Bourgogne's forces even need to move into the interior. Although he privately wrote to several prominent Imperial princes that he only surrendered because he was certain they would "unify to expel this Antichrist," there are many who simply call him a coward.

With the conquest of the Holy Roman Empire, what was once to be an isolated revitalization of an ancient cult has transformed into something else entirely; what was once an Eastern Reformation has become a general Christian Reformation. Messalianism has broken its chains of isolation and jumped across the sea--"infecting as a cancer," as Pope Alexander IV puts it--the largest European state. And, while the new Imperatrice Bourgogne--called alternatively "Meretrix," "the Usurper," and "the Antichrist" by her vassals--is hardly well-respected within the Empire, she has plans to change that, drastically and permanently.

"And in the process I shall not only break a religion, I shall break an Empire," she confided in her daughter.

>>148352373
talex

>>148351676
I haven't seen Turkslayer in like years, I wonder what happened to guy

>>148351668
Nah.
Russia was was supposed to get whole Poland but UK forced them for a compromise by getting France into it - its the main reason Poland is split.
Tarnopol area was ceded from Russia to Austria.

Nassau (duchy) was given away from Netherlands to Prussia.

Papal state had some weird claims on France - Comtat Venaissin and Avignon

Then ofcourse we have France and Rhine crisis which ingame player has no reason to trigger. How come crisis cannon escalate (in player hands) to new France vs Coalition war for 1395 borders?

>>148352384
delet this

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>>148352494

>>148352759
>>148352494
Turkslayer is such a cuck

>>148352624
How come crisis cannot escalate (in player hands) to new France vs Coalition war for 1795 borders.
My bad, there we go. Btw if you state GPs would never agree to this, thats what the war would be for. Realistically France should lose but there should be an unlikely option too.
So Rhine crisis escalates
-France loses and A-L goes to Prussia which turns into NGF
or
-France wins vs Coalition, gets its old borders back and Germany immediately forms due to renewed French threat.

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>>148352384
You absolute mad man, what are you planning?

>>148352907
The Rhine Crisis gives you an acquire state CB, so if you feel like it you can go grab the land yourself.

>>148352384
This has gone very strange places.

>>148353161
Rhine crisis wasnt about grabbing a single province and you obviously have no clue what would happen if France actually took parts of Rhineland and broke 1815 treaty.

You just took a piss on treaty that shaped Europe for next 100 years.

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>>148352384
no breaks on the satan train

>>148353024
You'll see, anon.

:^)

>>148353148
It was two provinces, to be fair, but yes, the Kaiser is undeniably a coward.

Although, truth be told, I don't know why I got that much WS for capturing two random counties, either.

>>148353285
I know it has, anon. Believe it or not, after this point I'm actually going to be trying to reduce the memery and return to a focus on Jerusalem and my characters.

This will, hopefully, make interpersonal relations in Jerusalem a lot more interesting, though. So far as I can figure out how to edit the files to make Messalians targetable by holy wars and crusades, and vice-versa other Christian groups.

>>148353336
It's just a scrap of paper, bro.

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>>148352759
ebin

>>148353336
You better not start this shit AGAIN

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>>148353556
wew

>>148353503
>how to edit the files to make Messalians targetable by holy wars and crusades
Probably just remove the "misguided heretic" modifier in the religion.txt

>>148353443
And nothing, thats the problem.

Nothing happens. Whole Europe would be in an uproar.
>>148353546
4 million people died in Europe and it was biggest war until 1914. If Germany reunified in 1955 and took A-L back would everyone else just lay down and chill?
>>148353628
>b-better not touch my German soil
>o-nly Prussia is worth it for unification wars and irridentism

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This isn't going to end well for me, is it?

>>148352624
>Russia was was supposed to get whole Poland but UK forced them for a compromise by getting France into it - its the main reason Poland is split.
>Tarnopol area was ceded from Russia to Austria.
Well, treaties and such usually involve compromise. You suggesting these areas for irredentism?

>Nassau (duchy) was given away from Netherlands to Prussia.
Wasn't really a part of Netherlands. If you are suggesting irredentism there, it's a bit far away from the netherland borders to fit in.

>Nassau (duchy) was given away from Netherlands to Prussia.
Same thing as above.

>>148352907
>How come crisis cannot escalate (in player hands) to new France vs Coalition war for 1795 borders.
You mean a war of the 8th Coalition? I guess it does make sense if they are trying to conquer the Rhineland, but I doubt the player would find fun to have most of the civilized world forming a coalition against you, declaring a war to dismantle you then applying some very harsh measures in a peace conference. Besides that, there's also the problem about the guy who declared that stuff not being involved with Bonaparte and stuff and the impossibility of checking what state you are war with. So the coalition would only form after you take the land.

>>148353747
Ignore this, I was completely talking out of my ass.

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>>148352384
When Bourgogne seized control of the Empire its bureaucracy was in shambles and hardly any of its nobility wanted to work with her, but she still brought with her the legacy of her rule in Jerusalem. Backed by a massive army the Imperial nobility could not actively resist her drastically different style of rule and demands, which were initially the same as those in Jerusalem. Yet Bourgogne quickly realized that this was not the style of rule she wanted to enforce in the Empire.

"I do not want a strong Emperor," she told her daughter, Bourgogne the Younger. "If anything, I wish to make the office of Emperor an even weaker title than it was previously. If the Empire is to embrace Messalianism, I must have effective agents for the change in place. And I certainly cannot have these lords hating me so much as they do now if I am meant to enforce unity on this monstrosity."

As such, Bourgogne decided to reduce her expectations dramatically. She published a writ confirming that she had the right to revoke titles, but now only if the vassal rebelled. She also published a further two writs reducing the expectations she had for her immediate vassals, from regular reports to infrequent reports on important matters only, and then finally to, "naught but the standard feudal obligations of loyalty, defense, and levied troops in times of war."

The decision does not endear her to her vassals so much as she might have hoped, but it does help to reduce the danger of her being immediately overthrown, which, for the time being, is enough. In truth, she is in the midst of a period of danger: before she can fully pacify the Empire she must defeat the King of France, who is currently invading the Duche de Lorraine. He seems poised to accept a white peace at any moment, but until he does she is exposed to the threat of a major rebellion from her vassalage, although they, perhaps, do not themselves realize this.

>>148353831
>>Nassau (duchy) was given away from Netherlands to Prussia.
Meant
>Papal state had some weird claims on France - Comtat Venaissin and Avignon

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Also what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>148354071
do it or you die

>>148354140
I don't even know what I'm doing ???

>>148353879
You could take Messalian out of the Christian group. Then Christians could holy war/Crusade against you. I think you could keep the Christian gfx too.

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And this is WITHOUT Luxembourg, which is a furthur 22 infamy if released, which it almost always is.

>>148354304
It's alright then, it's going to be like the rest of your life

>>148353831
> You suggesting these areas for irredentism
Well, yeah. France, England and Austria signed a secret treaty on 3 January 1815, agreeing to go to war against Russia and Prussia, if necessary, to prevent the Russo-Prussian plan from coming to fruition (Poland to Russia, Saxony to Prussia). So basically yeah, Russia has claims for full Poland.

And for coalition part
> I doubt the player would find fun to have most of the civilized world forming a coalition against you, declaring a war to dismantle you then applying some very harsh measures in a peace conference
Well it could go the historical way and nothing would happen. Or you could get coalition war thats Napoleonic in scale and ratify your borders if you win by well...redoing what Napoleon managed to do. Maybe it could escalate to coalition war if you take Rhineland in crisis and such?

>>148354414
What is this autism?

>>148354507
Some faggot keeps saying "haha but it's only one state and you get a free casus bellis so just take it xDxD"

I calculated this, showing that it would take a total of 85 infamy to take the land required, far more than the 11 that memekid thinks it is.

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>>148354414
>>148354591

>wants to disrespect the congress of vienna
>doesn't want to get infamy for it

>>148354591
Good news is, it looks like you get your coalition!

>>148354670
>85 FUCKING INFAMY

>>148353831
>>148353940
>Comtat Venaissin and Avignon
>Wasn't really a part of Papal States
Although my memory is foggy on provinces and it may not be possible in game anyway that's blatantly false. Avignon was the seat of the Pope throughout most of the 14th century and was part of the Papal States from then until the French Revolution.

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>>148353879
The Battle of Vaudemont is the first time that Messalian forces clash with their previous Catholic brethren on the field of battle. It is also the first time that the Army of Lucifer sees combat.

The battle is a resounding victory for the new Imperial forces, which results in King Amaury de Blois's immediate agreement to a white peace. In the future he, too, will be accused of cowardice against the Satanists, of refusing to strike them down at their moment of greatest weakness. Unlike Keiser Berthold, the charge against Amaury is somewhat true, for in a protracted fight it is possible that the Empire would have slipped out from under Bourgogne.

But there was no protracted fight, and now the Imperial Restructuring can begin.

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>>148354414
>muh disgusting rhine blob
Frenchboos are the worst. Kill yourself frog

>>148354723
What, do you think people didn't get mad at napoleon?

>>148354414
save scum until your war justification does not cause infamy

>>148354410
I might be able to keep the Christian gfx, but I wouldn't be able to marry into other Christian realms so far as I know. That might not be all to unrealistic, honestly, but I don't think I want to deviate away from it that hard; I just want to make it so Messalianism can be targeted by other Christian sects, but does not necessarily have to be, and they can ally with other Christians if they choose to as well.

>>148354670
BUT ANON THE AMERICANS GET FREE CORES ON TONS OF LAND
AND RUSSIA GETS FREE CORES ON SOME MANCHU LAND
YOU'RE JUST HPMIDF YOU SHILL

>>148354414
there comes a point when infamy is just a number

>>148354670
>instead of getting proper coalition war in its full glory you settle for bunch of casus belli justification on disunited nations and containment wars

Now that is just shit.
>>148354702
Sounds great to me anon.

Why HPM just doesnt add a decision on start to turn such major off the rails situation on or off? Then everyone would be happy.
>>148354860
Yes they did, so each one did separate containment war in turn.

>>148331156
Why isn't their an autarky focus for Germany? Some sort of Synthetic Resources, giving ahead reductions and the sort. Historically, the Leuna plants, giving the germans that unused modifier from technology production_oil_factor = 0.1

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>>148354864
>>148355193
>mfw Napoleon used 18540 all the time
>he also used debug yesmen after big battles and capitals
>4th coalition war update broke the cheats
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

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>>148354751
Although the Imperial bureaucracy was still in shambles following Bourgogne's conquest of the Empire, the ledgers which survived in the Empire were still more complete than those in Jerusalem, and they show a truly ludicrous sum of money being expended as bribes: Bourgogne was estimated to have given away over 3,000 ducats worth of gold, plus-or-minus 250 ducats. And this gold was merely an initial expenditure, wherein Bourgogne sought to convert not even half of the princes of the Empire, but merely to establish a small group of Messalians, perhaps 35% of all princes, to provide her with a base of loyalty.

The true expenditure to buy the loyalty of the Empire, which cost another some 2,000 ducats, involved the creation and granting of the titles which Bourgogne intended to use to modify the Imperial structure forever.

"The Empire under previous Emperors was necessarily bound up in myriad power politics with the minor Ducs of the realm," Bourgogne wrote in her diary in late October 1326. "The new Empire cannot be bound in such a way. The minor Ducs must give way to major Ducs ruling the majority of the realm, and the title of Emperor must become vestigial. All lords of the Empire must embrace Messalian faith, and be strong enough to defend themselves on their own from external threat and internal rebellion. The Reich must be centralized in a way that a central Emperor never could unite it: by means of the centralization of all power within the realm into a select group of individuals."

That is precisely what Bourgogne did when she created the eight new Grand Duchies in the Empire, giving them over to vassals who were already Messalian or were willing to convert to Messalianism in return for the incredible power such a title represented. By centralizing her vassalage in such a manner she ensures the loyalty of these new vassals, and leaves the matter of the conversion of the vast majority of her new vassalage in their hands.

>>148354897
Maybe add a clause in the cb that allows Catholics to holy war you? Like this:
http://pastebin.com/G6gNWhfy

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>>148354921

Why does Hearts of Iron 4 have such retarded peace mechanics? Why do you need to invade every country of one faction. What were paradox thinking.

>>148355350
As soon as a woman even touches power half of Europe goes completely to shit.

>>148353940
HPM did you know Albanians werent nationalistic until end of Balkan Wars when A-H created the state to deny Serbia sea access?

Yugos should be able to incorporate them before Great Wars start.

>>148353940
HPM, why did you remove the central African and great lakes nations in NNM from the start?

>>148355393
>comparing colonialism to blobbing in europe
Lad...

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how to i enable castration for culture groups other than byzantie?

>>148355393
Algeria costs you infamy at the start, and actually conquering the Levant and Arabia will cost you no matter what.

Nice blatant lies though.

>>148355350
So one thing I don't get is why she wants the Empire to never be able to unify under one Emperor. I don't see her angle in this, why would she care? Or why wouldn't she want to be the supreme Empress, for instance?