/rlg/ - Roguelike General

First for ants

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First for ants

First for ants.

I've never understood those alert distances. All I know is the serpent will chase you from seemingly across the entire level so it's pretty far I guess.

How big is a tile, anyway?

>>148308450
shut the fuck up if it's not about ants

>>148308450
Excuse me anon, I can't seem to find the ants in your post. Where did you put them?

Green EGGS and ANTS

>>148308065
Time to learn apportation.

1st for bathe the world in flames to remove the scourge.

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hey guys im an ant

anyone want to hang out and do ant things with me?

alone

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MODS ARE ASLEEP, POST SPIDERS

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Was thinking I'd run this Cataclysm DDA build for standard point Really Bad Day start. Any criticism would be welcome, constructive or otherwise.

+10 points for Really Bad Day, all into stats for an even 12 in all stats.

12/12 traits
>Addictive Personality, Glass Jaw, Heavy Sleeper, Light-Weight, Near Sighted, Squeamish, Trigger Happy, Truth Teller, Ugly
>Less Sleep, Light Eater, Light Step, Night Vision, Packmule, Robust Genetics, Weak Scent

No skills.

Relevant Balance Mods:
>Slow Zombies


With casul Slow Zombies I should be able to get through the first 24h and it would make things easier for later. Does this seem decent? The hunter zombies and dogs etc would still be able to run me down, so would giant wasps, giant toads etc.

Plans involve making improvised lockpick and improvised crowbar from crashsites and broken stuff, then doing nightraids for essentials before moving between mansions etc in the outskirts of towns.

>>148308835
Hey bro, I got some nice dirt for your queen. Its called di·a·to·ma·ceous earth. Has a nice ring to it, doncha think? I'M YOUR PROM DATE, YOU UGLY SACK OF SHIT

>>148308835
>alone
But all the fun ant activities are done in groups.
How do you drag a dead insect bigger than you when you're alone?
How do you swarm over anything alone?
How do you bumrush an innocent bei- I mean we don't do that, we aren't wasps after all. It's wasps who do it.

How do you ant alone?

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>>148309023
trustme

>>148308976
It's more fun when you go balls in, with no slow zed ezmode. Die a few times, then finally acquire a basement, first aid and survival.

Don't pick tweaker start though - it's full RNG. Regular one is high in RNG enough as it is.

You want to GTFO the city as soon as possible without getting a lot of zombies following you. Eat 2 datura seeds to gain a ghetto painkiller effect (it will kill your dexterity and focus though). Then you can go back to scan for first aid and antibiotics.

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Uh. h-hey do you guys smell anything funny?

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>>148309218
I'm not a tweaker, just regular shower victim.

I've done it before as long as there's not a rottweiler outside or you start encased in glass on the edge of the building it should be fine with the mod.

Won't even regular zombies run me down if I don't have slow zombies though?

>>148309393
>Won't even regular zombies run me down if I don't have slow zombies though?
" is the run button.

>>148308976
>Really Bad Day
>Addictive Personality
now, I don't remember the specifics of Addictive
but that seems like a fucking awful combination

>>148309218
>>148309393
Nothing wrong with slow zombies imo

Early on you won't have a ranged weapon, so if you want to get into town, you're going to have to wade into the horde anyway. Once you have a ranged weapon, zombies aren't really an issue regardless.

>>148310124
It starts you drunk but the tweaker part is optional.

Daily reminder that ants don't even acknowledge the existence of large mammals such as humans and thus you will never do ant things together.

>>148310276
Is a spear a ranged weapon?

>playing pcb as blood-knight
>have about 50 AC cause steel skin
>skilled with broadsword
>ripping through shit
>encounter 'the borshin'
>He's not doing much of anything to me for a while
>decide to top myself off with a cure crit pot because he's whittled 30hp off my max
>suddenly taking ungodly amounts of damage per turn and getting chunked blow after blow
What in the fuck happened and why did he go insano? It felt like he was getting stronger after every blow.

>>148311973
Back in my day it wasn't, but I don't know what it is these days.

>>148312079
They can poke at 1-3 range, which is why I was curious if you considered them ranged. You can have a pointy stick like 30 seconds after you spawn, which will kill a few zombies pretty easily.

>>148308105

How do I disable a permanent tele trap so I can get a weapon under it?

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Ant talk aside does anyone else have any clever ideas on boosting Anatomy/Alchemy?

I'm calling the bathroom Antschwitz

>>148312182
Stasis.

>>148312182
APPORTATION

>>148312240

What?

>>148312180
That seems exploitable, but I dunno. Ideally, the zomboners would only pose a threat to you if you tried to fight them.

>>148312282
Stasis is an effect that prevents teleportation

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>>148312008
>fighting the borshin early game
>ever
It can hit 2d13 and 2d15 which will rip through your health if you're low level.

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>>148282601
>genuine awfulplayer

>>148285296
>She

>>148312832
Holy shit, Ketziah won. It finally happened. Maybe he'll actually get gud now.

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>>148313013
>he

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>>148313062
My bad. Maybe they'll get gud now.

>>148308976
if you're picking near sighted, also pick far sighted for free points

personally i can't stand addictive personality and I never pick it (especially with tweaker) but it's usually fine

i recommend packmule/night vision 100% of the time

if you're struggling with the first day or two of really bad day, I recommend quick/fleet footed/parkour expert and a mil. surplus start—
if you're lucky you'll get some combination of the following:
food, first aid kits, MBR vests, helmets, kevlar vests
which makes it dramatically easier.

I've never really had problems just smashing windows during nighttime looting

quick+fleet footed+parkour+sprinting will let you juke almost anything through a house unless you goof somehow (except when screwed by tweaker)

any boiling tool+container+firesource essentially solves all thirst issues
survival+forests can solve food issues as long as you don't get moose/cougar/beared

>>148313252
Thanks. I'll keep this in mind although I don't like MRE's.

Only some of it is worthwhile for 3 volume but I find most of it to be useless. Water purification pills don't do shit which is sad because purifying water one unit at a time is tedious.

I never did go into cooking much though.

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it's time

to do nothing because it's not fucking implemented yet

how are casters supposed to win pcb like how do you do zeus and serpent? do they just spam manastorm at everything and get fucked by breath attacks? that doesn't seem very fun at all

>>148313801
>that doesn't seem very fun at all

Welcome to PozChengband.

>>148313801
Git gud.

>>148313417
getting 2 cooking is very helpful because it allows you to make lots of high-efficiency foods like:
biscuits
deluxe eggs
meat/ fried rice
flour
deluxe beans and rice
most of the soups

lategame, cooking is chemistry and allows you to make a variety of helpful things

>>148314035
oh also fluid sac->dehydrated vegetable@2 means you can live entirely off of triffid butchering if you so desired

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>>148313907
I can only imagine what mage classes that don't get manastorm, no at-range aggravation, and no charge draining have to bear later on. I think Armageddon or something gets shard breath which is amazing ESPECIALLY since J and a lot of other late monsters don't resist shards at all and is pretty much the only realm you should take if you're offered it (chaos is pretty decent though).

>>148313252
If you can craft a quarterstaff you can pretty much 1v1 bears and moose no problem.
Just lure them over a bush or something first.

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why is this happening

"Necropolis has all the makings of a smash hit – the kind of Roguelike that hardcore players will brag about beating for years to come." - Hardcore Gamer

what has gaming become

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>killing your spiderbros
>killing your antbros

Switch gods, you makhlebite.

>Lair:1
>1 (one) blink scroll that I read-id earlier
>0 (zero) tele scrolls
I died to a hydra accompanied by a ghost

>>148316302
>perma death
>procedurally generated dungeons
>roguelike

someone post that "roguelike bingo" picture

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>>148316302
>>148316559
are you guys unable to ignore things that annoy you

>>148316612
are you unable to ignore posts like ours?
post that bingo picture

>>148316302
buy it and fund my battletech game please

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>>148316302

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>they removed Wiglaf

At some point I should stop being surprised.

>>148317185
>and urug
>and maud
>and donald
>and norris
>and sonja

>>148317348
Donald got buffed, and Urug & Maud got merged.
Why the fuck would they remove Sonja?
The first sprint mode is now named after a character no longer in the game.

>>148317551
>Why the fuck would they remove Sonja?
they haven't. Yet.

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>>148317609
Oh good. I was afraid they actually removed one of the biggest retard checks.
>tf every time someone posts in here with straight 0 drained skills

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Didn't even need to kite lmao

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Tell me about times when shit got real.

>just now in C:DDA
>doing 40 mph in a copcar through small town
>trying to drift and kill shrieker zombie
>fat fuck somehow manages to spit bile at me doors are open
>"drift" into a fucking jewelry store as alarm goes off
>car still going as hunter zombie jumps into passenger seat
>mfw shooting my 870 as I go through the wall in full chaos

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>>148317841

I thought I was going to get destroyed by Sonja but then I realized I am the One Punch Man

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>>148317841
>he didn't double-sandwich his car with "s

>>148318079
That picture is so well done it actually makes me feel uncomfortable by looking at it.

>>148318079
>those flies
jesus christ how filthy

>>148318506
bro
you have a problem okay
I want you to play a formicid and enjoy it

>>148318545
pls
there's even a wasp thing hovering over the beaker between the dude and his sister that I just noticed
I'd rather play as that felid even though it's not a roguelike

>>148317841
>be cyborg with ok driving
>find decent stretch of open road
>activate all strength boosts
>start playing saxophone and drink atomic coffee
>start going 150 mph with super bike/foot pedals
>suddenly ambulance out of nowhere
>attempt to handbrake but lose control
>head health goes to \

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>>148312187
how do i even make that happen?
necro force?

should i have been saving my bones?
ive been trashing them for easy gold because they dont really weight as much

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>>148318653
Play an ant, anon.
This cute girl is begging you for it.

>>148312182

Be an ant. Be yourself

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>Remington 870 is pulled away from your hands!
WHAT, Z's can grab your fucking guns!?

>>148319934
Not really.
A shocker can apport your metallic weapons though.
Guess what your rifle is partly made of.

>>148319934
technicians can grab your weapons from a distance, some factors mitigate it though (strength? skill levels? i'm not sure)

>>148320106
It was technicians I was fighting. Two of them grabbed my gun and I had to beat them with a wrench. The third I shot from a distance.

What makes them able to grab my shit?

>>148320212
they're cyborgs

try butchering one with decent survival and a good knife

>>148320212
If my high school physics knowledge is right, electric fields generate magnetic fields of equal strength. So since shockers basically throw lightning bolts at you and technicians are literally living electric fields, they could theoretically use electromagnetic force to pull whatever you're holding in your hands towards them.

>>148318506
So filthy you have morale penalties just for wearing it?

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>>148320293

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>>148320286
I'm going back there immediately.

>>148320412
Yeah, that's the player variant.
Because you're not literally a living electrical field.

I mean it's literally called electromagnet

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How do i into Ogre Mage?
I can't tell a skill order, and the early for me is especially hard, i either run out of mana and get raped or i go melee-dude and get raped when i can't escape a harder melee fight.

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>20x 8x40mm caseless burst at +5 damage
what is this monstrosity rivtech

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>>148321263
>rivshit
you have only yourself to blame.

>>148321452
i'll take my atomic nightlights/atomic coffee love them forever thank you very much

>>148321263
ribteg :-DDDD
Fortunately nowadays it doesn't have the cheap ammo recipes.

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>>148321263
>rivtech

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>>148317841

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>>148321923
>>148321663
>>148321452

>>148318724
>the only time the robotman feels alive

>he doesn't plod through DDA in a pisskop world as winter start scenario class

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>>148320286
Oh boy.

Now to find some cocaine.

MISSERY O' DICKERY

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>>148321016
Well, tried my hand anyway once more (you disappoint me, rlg rukers), and i did decently well by going very heavily into spellcasting for increasing my mana pool and get the confusing cloud to reliable success.

Now this happens. Since i went Gozag, gold could be good, but i could also try Wand (i've found no wands though), Book (hoping for conjuration spellbook), Food (fuck you gozag) or... can i wish for ammo? Do i get RUKS since i'm an Ogre?

>>148323762

You look like Mara

>>148323002
I don't get PK's mod at all. What is it doing other than adding Doom crap?

>>148324020
add more challenging zombies so that when you reach the endgame you have still a semblance of difficulty instead of "you may commit suicide when you're ready".

>>148323937
You look like a wizard!

>>148323937
Yiffe

dicku-san please come back

>>148308450
>How big is a tile, anyway?
10 feet.

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>>148324675
foreverially and everyially

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>ram a cargo van into an apartment building at 130 mph
>mfw crawling out at I\ hp with 75 speed surrounded by Zs

I can't keep getting away with this. I need to drive more carefully.

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Where the fuck are the labs, military camps etc?

Also where the fuck are the rivers?

>>148325361
FFFFFFFSssssssSssssHHHHAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>148325449
What?

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>>148325508
FTFY

>>148325832
what a great mod

>>148296271
>Doesn't PosChengBand have a shapeshifter/druid class? I could have sworn you used to be able to take panther/bear forms as something.
I am pretty sure you're thinking of Incursion.

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>>148325361
>complain about lack of camps and labs
>one of each placed just north of me
Illuminati confirmed.

>>148325832
Does anyone actually play with generic guns instead of the ones that add more guns?

>>148326082
>Does anyone actually play with generic guns instead of the ones that add more guns?
Of course.
I think it probably gets used by about 5-10% of players who use mods, judging by polls on the forums and reception here.

>>148326082
>Does anyone actually play with generic guns
Well, duh.
>instead of the ones that add more guns?
jesus christ who on earth would actually do that

>>148325361
What is that 3x5 green O thingy in the west?

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>>148326260
>>148326339
That should be illegal.

>>148326361
Football field. I'm on experimental if that matters.

>>148326491
Anon, there is nothing wrong with wanting a balance between bloat and a tightened style of design.
It doesn't have to be one or the other all the time.

>>148326491
>That should be illegal.
You should be illegal.

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Is this the point when the Abyss becomes a good farming site for items?

>>148326491
Most people aren't gun fanatics that need 50 different reciever variant and specialty ammos. Or special 'always better than vanilla stuff' guns. I generally avoid all +guns mods in all games because they're almost always bloat or overpowered as fuck.

>>148326695
>grinding in "anti-grind, the game"
suit yourself.

>>148326841
DCSS is a hell of a lot more grindy than, say, Brogue.

>>148326568
>>148326610
>>148326740
Alright. I personally like it, but it is annoying to take my pick between 6 different guns and 6 different ammo types which match none of the guns.

Do the generic ones even have gun mods though?

>>148326957
>Do the generic ones even have gun mods though?
sure.
>it is annoying to take my pick between 6 different guns and 6 different ammo types which match none of the guns.
you mean instead of 60 different guns and 6 different ammo types
you get more ammo with generic guns, that's why nikhezen released a generic guns mod with less ammo
what are you even on about

>>148326695
Yeah. It's fun, lucrative and you will probably die or have a near-death experience before getting bored.

>>148326957
Things generic guns currently lacks which people may want:
>some explosive weapons, mainly 40mm variants
>a couple mods like m203 and masterkey (stuff with "non-generic" names)
>super-powerful endgame guns

>>148327079

>near-death experience

I just had one with a single tormentor. Looks like farming it with rn1 isn't a good idea after all

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What the fuck is this I found in a lab crate? Does not seem legit, I assume it's a trap of some sort which will fuck me over.

>>148327069
I meant with the +guns mods I never find the ammo I need when raiding gun basements etc. Just a bunch of new guns and new ammo types, none of which match.

How much %damage is redirected to MPs when having Spirit shield?
Learndb says "proportionally", but doesn't specify to what.

>>148327781
It teleports you randomly. It will usually not kill you directly, but it can put you in a really shitty position and give you fungal AIDS.

>>148327881
But if I am low on speed and a brute catches me with my pants down, it's an alternative to death?

>>148327953
Yes, but you'll probably stash it before that because
>3 volume
>1.4 kg
and then won't have it when you will need it.

>>148328056
I'm still in relative early game with a MOLLE and decent clothing so for now I got nothing more important to carry about anyway. Mite b cool.

>>148328056
>3vol and 1.4kg too much for a get out of jail with mild cancer card

>>148328727
there's a 1/1000 chance of getting fungal only if you use it ten times in a row.

I wouldn't even call that mild cancer. You could win the lottery with those odds if you got it just using it once.

>>148328949
Well telesickness can cause a lot of other things too.
I just said "mild cancer" since it's technically not free.
The danger level is about as high as miscasting a level 4 spell in DCSS or something.

Level 3 or 4 lab and I've yet to see a single mutagen. Do they have a specific part for that in the experimental build or something?

>>148328949
Actually it's 1/10000, but every single turn and with no duration restriction.

It's a bit below 3% chance per use.

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since offline ghosts are the single most retarded feature of all time, how do I disable them?

>>148329606
What makes them more retarded than online ghosts?

>>148329756
well I havent actually played online yet, but I suppose they would be similarly shitty

>>148329606
Online ghosts are retarded too.
There's no option for disabling ghosts because DCSS is e-sports and thus such option-ization is verboten.
You can just delete the bones files in your saves folder. I can't remember where it is in local copies and iirc it's different between prebuilt and compiled, but it's probably somewhere near your morgue.

>>148329315
You can find them at every levels, you're just unlucky.

>>148329852
>and iirc it's different between prebuilt and compiled
is that just a linux thing somehow or what, because that just doesn't make sense

>>148324367
Then why the fuck is there a doom mod inside? Makes no sence.

>>148330789
>Then why the fuck is there a doom mod inside?
Because it's an endgame area.

does anyone else still play unreal world?

>>148330875
>endgame area
Sound unoriginal. He coulda made something portal-wise. I can play DoomRL, i dont need it in other games.

>>148331086
>He coulda made something portal-wise.
Can't be done with just jsons alone.

>>148329853
I ran through so much and I've yet to see a single one. Might restart to make sure I didn't accidentally activate No Mutagens mod or something.

Is there any way to check in game? Would be a shame to lose my progress.

>>148331624
save/world_name_here/mods.json

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would a +8 rapier of speed (i can enchant it) be better than my +6 flame rapier? i could also make a +9 quick blade but i've yet to find any branding scrolls

>>148331274
a- waste time and make a unriginal doom mod for endgame in a mod that otherwise does not state it has doom content inside.
b- waste time and make a original endgame content for the master... kevin stops it because reasons but your attempt and sacrifice will be remembered.
c- dont waste time with cdda

>>148331689
Okay, so I can confirm it's not installed but now I don't know.

Checked the wiki which said they spawn in chemistry workrooms of which I've seen one which didn't have one.

It did however have 50+ dormitories, goo shit and cleaning closets.

I'll probably have to restart anyway because the cold is literally killing me.

>>148331839
Yes, flame is the worst enchant
Also use quick blade only if it has elec or disto ench, ice is ok aswell, or its some sort of really good randard or if youre worshiping kiku, pain brand, thats just my opinion.. And especially if youre a stabber of some sort
Also antimagic is good aswell, but thats trog only anyway

>>148331981
ah, thanks. i'll keep the quick blade in mind if i ever find a scroll of branding and put the speed rapier at +8 for now. i have like 3 antimagic rapiers from trog so i'll go pick one of those up too

>>148332102
Antimagic is more of a late game brand, but its useful all around aswell

>>148331839
Yeah absolutely.
Speed is king.

>>148332181
ah, i'm at depths:3 now, it's only +5 but it seems like a good switch to have, and i'll keep the flame one just for blink. also i have 1,600 gold, there's a shop with 3 ?acquirement for 1872 or i could buy an iron rod, should i save for the acq?

>>148332338
Acq scrolls are the worst shit sometimes, i swear to god
You can use 100+ of them and get average stuff you can use for few floors until you get something better and rest of the time, when you have a shit run, you get some ultra super item but rest of your equipment is pure shit and you die to a random bullshit in lair or something
Anyway, it depends on what sort of other equipment you have, mostly armor
Also i guess youre worshiping trog, since you said he gave you some rapiers, so no armor gifts, so im guessing your equipment is sort of ok-ish

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???

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>>148332631
yeah i've got some decent shit, not sure what i'd even try to acq except maybe getting a lucky quick blade. already have haste/heal wounds wands too

>>148332690
It's like in DotA, when you TP back to base just as you take lethal damage, and your corpse just lands at home.

>>148332732
You dont have a necklace? And youre in depths? Geez.. Show me what you cleared so far

>>148332732
You should definitely be using the rapier of speed for most monsters and the antimagic rapier for any spellcasters.
Ditch that rapier of flame.

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>>148332825
it's under the --more--, +5 reflection, only other ones i've found are magic regen/gourmand (useless as KoBe), and guardian spirit

>>148332939
but i can switch to it in one turn and then use it to blink, seems pretty invaluable as it's my only source of casting it

>>148333234
Sure, but don't hit anything with it.
Also, I would use Guardian Spirit over reflection.

>>148333234
Ok well, i would clear depths now in your place and then go to crypt, youre a KoBe so you can clear that very efficiant and you have antimagic rapier aswell, which is really good
Clear crypt because at the end you get lot of jewelry, usually
Also that guardian spirit necklace sounds real good, i wouldnt use 2 sources of reflection, im not really sure how that works together, and guardian spirit is real good, Ko has some nice mana pool for it

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>>148333413
>>148333473
okay, i actually just found the reflection buckler recently, so i'll go grab the guardian spirit. would just one pip of rN be enough for crypt? and for my last question, what should i be training at this point?

>>148333792
Get 11 armour since that is 2 more AC for fairly cheap. Then just more fighting/dodging.
I wouldn't do crypt. Just go finish Depths, do V:$, and then win.
If you really feel like you need more gear I'd rather do elf than crypt.

>>148333792
Armour, then dodging and some more shields, not sure if you satisfied the no pentaly
And crypt with rN+ is tricky a bit.. Try clearing vaults:5 then, you have quicksilver and blink rapier and such + youre a trog worshipper, so its cool

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>>148334064
>>148334373
fug thanks anyway guys

>>148334558
I was watching you.
You should have used digging to go into that wall and then dig at a diagonal to prevent the flayed ghost from getting LOS on you.
If you kill a flayed ghost you get all your HP back.
Also use 'zerk liberally with shortblades (especially speed) and press _ to check your messages when you see (Hit _) in the top right.

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I wasn't aware of a Pan lord that can spam Fire Storm every single turn he might as well replace Cerebov. Are there any more autists that spam a single highest level spell every turn like it's nothing? I can only think of Liches spamming LCS after you've been petrified.

>>148334697
ah, yeah the flayed ghosts are a pain in the dick, i should've just lured the dragon/giant back upstairs when i first found them.
at least i can learn from my mistake

>>148334752
Shatter pan lords are the worst.

>>148334752
Randlords get random spells, which can include pretty much any of the level 9s imagine pan lords with singularity oh yeah that happened but I think at slightly lower power than the named lords.

>>148334752
There are pan lords which use shatter every other turn-- I died to it on my 15-run ;_;

>>148334796
Yeah you are progressing pretty well for someone with only 30 games are so.
Also I'm stealing your wall tiles for my RC.

Remember take it easy and keep being excellent, /rlg/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l205XWLgUk

I'll be playing cookie clicker.

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>>148334980

>>148334858

>Randlords

Oh shit, I forgot they get to cast random spells but why do they only get to cast a single spell? Shouldn't they at least have variation?

>>148334902
thanks, and yeah i can't stand # walls. didn't realize that was how messages worked on console, after looking into it now it's kinda weird how console messages and webtiles messages are separate channels. can you even view the webtiles ones on console?

>>148335242
I don't think so. I've never gotten a message from a webtiles spectator while playing console at least.

>>148335191
Maybe, I don't know how many spells they get and you'd have to examine on an individual basis to see what a given lord's list is. You may have just gotten supremely unlucky with its casting choice.

>>148336047
You can't examine pan lords to see their spells, it just says they could know any number of spells.

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>>148336264

>>148336264

>any number of spells.
>any number
>1

reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>148336646
1 is a number.

>>148336708
But not any number.

>>148321016
Ok, i seriously need some tips, i'm splatting more Ogres than Stalin himself.

>>148337149

Play a Deep Elf, the MiBe of casters. Your questions will be answered themselves.

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>tfw everything works out for the best

>>148337710
But i want to play an Ogre Mage, not a gay elf.
I'd rather need a hand in the early dungeon, the few runs i got up running were actually really good and i had quite a good character.

>>148338291
Ogre Mages are not a thing in DCSS.
The best spells an ogre can possibly ever cast are Portal Projectile and Haste.
Ogre Mages are lying monsters.

>>148338361
Shitter detected

>>148318752
Make what happen? That's just my undead attacking like normal. This character is entirely based around Necromancy. In fact the only reason he uses magic device at all is because duplicane trains Alchemy.
Necroforce is mostly useful for moving the undead around. Since Barrier is such an important part of the build I don't get much use out of Undead Empower, and since I have so many, and they're so powerful, Undead Restore actually puts me at about -3000 health every time I use it (though it doesn't kill me). Undead Bomb definitely has its place now that I have enough coffins to fully replace the ones that die, but it's still extremely risky.

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Reasonable amount of damage.

What do the clouds for Qazlal scale with? I love the clouds I just can't tell what they scale with. wiki does not seem to mention if they scale or not.

>>148316490
you forgot you had 2 (two) feet

>>148327782
If you have 90hp and 10mp then 90% goes to HP and 10% goes to MP. If you have 50 of each (jesus train more fighting) then it'll be split 50/50, etc...

Oh, and it's based on current hp/mp, not max.

10 years from now we will see DCSS at huge e-sports events
there will be 3 race-classes: melee minotaur, magical elf, stealth whatever tiny
same for enemies, single unique last floor, game will end after defeating it instead of going back to D:1
sword, dagger, bow, wand, single damaging spell
robe, plate armor, leather armor, no aux armor
consumables will be identified and their variety reduced to fixed amount of tp, blink, enchant and recharge
no hunger, 5 different map layouts and only dungeon with 10 floors
fixed amount of enemies, only in random locations
but you will be able to choose from over 60 different genders

>>148342013

>train more fighting

need to get that dank +1 hp per level

>>148342403
I can't decide if C:DDA is a better anti-thesis to DC:SS, or if PCB better meets this.

On one hand, C;DDA has more bloat. On the other, PCB is actually a roguelike.

>>148342403

that's a nice e-"""""sport"""""

>>148340958
piety

>>148342403
But anon, that's... fantasy DoomRL

>>148343126
>C;DDA has more bloat
DDA bloat is less intrusive. It "just is".
PCB has bloat actually integrated into the game - something that DCSS explicitly avoids.

are nethack forks the only roguelikes with lots of content but without killing a billion monsters like in dcss?

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Is maurice's only purpose in this world to be an annoying piece of shit?

>>148347145
Just post a proposal to remove him on the tavern and it'll happen by tomorrow.

>>148347145
>the thief flees laughing!
>you fall down a shaft!

>>148347145
>tfw maurice steals my wand of disintegration
>tfw he kills me with it
I was so mad that run

>>148347891
>tfw Maurice steals my starting spellbook
>tfw he drowns in deep water
I wasn't even mad it was so Nethacky it must've made the devil's team furious..

>>148347891
>MuMo
>Maurice steals all my 13 scrolls of teleport
>every time I hit her she teleports away
>eventually leave after the third scroll because those things are my only ticket to save-my-ass-kistan
>eventually splat two floors below to a cyclops/manticore combo I could have saved myself from IF I had had teleport

But even after this happened, I still like maurice.
She's a cunt, but she's a smart mob, unlike those copypasted cookie-cutter mobs you find later on.
I expect she'll be the next target of the current "unique removal" trend.

>>148348194
>her

Maurice is a boy.

>>148348349
Not for long.

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Wizards are pretty good at this fight.

>>148349124
what combo are you playing as? DrWz?

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>>148348471
Maurice should be able to steal my heart

>>148349312
DrCj.
It's my second conjurer and third time playing a wizard. It was really tough for a long time, but now my character is obscenely powerful. I think I will try my first zig this game.

>>148351473
Are you mainly using Air Magic right now? I've always wondered about its viability, considering enemies only need 1 pip of rElec for it to be rendered ineffective.

I haven't played many casters at all.

>>148351628
Tornado checks AC and airstrike doesn't check anything.
When monsters are lifted by Tornado, you can airstrike them.

Now that I've acquired a staff of air, this combo will kill anything in the game, and if it doesn't, I have Chain Lightning.

I also have haste and Orb of Destruction at 1% if I want to do it and I can always DWhip+Sticky flame if I want to be quieter.

>>148351628
Tornado is quite possibly the best zigging spell. Combine that with ddoor and you're pretty much invincible.

>>148319934
nice pic, can I download?

>>148352191
Nah, you gotta pay the troll toll first.

>>148320476
have you never seen how much junk that thing can pull when you're near a wreck? the stack size is ridiculously huge

>>148350679
>the spice must flow

>>148329606
>someone posts complaining about how some retard died on D:3
>it's their ghost
>it kills them and creates another retard ghost

>>148334980
What's the best cookieclicker-like? Cookie clicker has way too much grind/idle time, and not enough strategic options. That tech cookieclicker-like that someone posted was kinda interesting until the end game

>>148353360
a dark room is the best one

>>148353360
once you find the infinity archive the game doesn't progress any further...does it?

>>148353360
yeah the one gets really fucking boring when you get to the actual endgame.
Rebuild the universe keeps you entertained for a couple days, that's for sure. It's also really beautiful because it's about space and you end up buying superclusters and stars and stuff.
Here let me shill it for you
http://rebuildtheuniverse.com/

>>148353509
nah.

>>148353586
>descriptions of shit like the breit-wheeler process
im learning things
this is nice

i want to write a roguelike as a coding project rate idea:

>procedurally generated world with random villages
>you're a witcher
>ride from village to village accepting monster contracts

not that hard to do when you think about it, combat mechanics etc would probably be the hardest to come up with

>>148353959
>witcher roguelike

sign me the fuck up
no pun intended

>different Schools instead of classes
>signs
>bombs, oils, potions

the format's already perfect

>tfw left an insanely strong ghost in Zig
I just hope none of you have to suffer from my fault.

>>148353959
It's not hard to do, aside from the making a game part.

>>148353959
>not that hard to do when you think about it
nothing seems hard when you think about it
actually doing it is a different story

>>148353959
as a Pole I hope one day you may deliver

>>148354203

im a codemonkey do it for a living

i made a barebones 1700's north america map with injuns, woods and shit but the setting isnt good for a roguelike got bogged down in the details of it

witcher might actually work way better

>>148354631
post updates here
are you actually going to deliver?

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First time I've actually bothered to clear Z:$ in ages and ages.

>>148353959
Would be cool if it was linear. Like, ride to the next village, you can't leave until you finish the mission etc. Randomly generated missions would be great whether you make it more linear or open though.

>get sent to the abyss at level 6
Some runs are just not meant to be.

>>148355086

that would be far easier to do because you could make the maps far more compact and after finishing you'd just leave (y/n) and get dropped in the next area with village and surrounding countryside you could explore

thats FAR easier to do than a huge wilderness overmap and im fairly confident i could do that but i favour the latter approach

still its an idea I guess I could actually deliver in a couple months

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>>148355278

>>148355581
I just feel like overworld maps usually kind of suck in roguelikes.
Most of them would be better off with a:
>Travel to which type of location?
>Travel to which location?
set of prompts in my mind, since nothing interesting happens on the overmap. (ambushes can be made interesting, but the way they are handled is usually just very boring).

You do your thing though.

>>148353360
http://factoryidle.com/ and welcome to /egg/
>tfw realization that Factorio is idle/clicker too

>>148357138
>/egg/
eidle game?

>>148356928
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

Can someone explain why this guy's score ended up being over one billion?

https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/edsrzf/morgue-edsrzf-20160320-213950.txt

>>148357414
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're a qt futa beegirl

>>148357370
engineering games

>>148358194
There was a bug which scored him as if he was playing that sprint with the +oo Axe.

>>148356928
>nothing interesting happens on the overmap

ADOM's overworld is very interesting.

>>148358194
>15 fighting
>4 armor
>2 dodging
>LMAO 2 DODGING
>18 conjuration/17 fire magic
Faulted so hard that the score broke.

>>148358462
Is it? Why?

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>https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/blog
>Hello, crawl players! New trunk changes are afoot. Pray we do not change it further. Here are the changes we've made to our deal:

>Sif Muna:

>Channel Energy is gone. Replacing it at 1* is Divine Energy, a toggleable ability that lets the player cast spells without having enough mp. Using this effect causes a -Cast status for several turns, depending on how many MP the player was short by.
>New 3* ability: Channel Magic, a Trog’s Hand-like invocation that trades piety for a brief, but significant, MP regeneration boost.
>Book gifts now appear starting from 5*, not 6*.
>Sif now gives partial piety for kills, in addition to (slightly reduced) piety from skill training.

>Players wielding long blades can now ‘riposte’. After dodging a melee attack, users have a 50% chance to launch a free counterattack. This does not trigger retaliation effects, such as porcupine spines or hydra head growth, but functions as a normal attack otherwise. Long blade base damage has been lowered to compensate.

>The Fencer’s Gloves no longer give bonuses to Sbl & Lbl skill; instead, they let the user riposte with any weapon. This stacks with long blades’ innate riposte.

>Various unrands have had their stats tweaked; the most notable change is to Eos, which trades its sInv -Tele for Brilliance’s halo. (Wyrmbane also trades +Rage for rC+.)

>Removed unrands: Sword of the Doom Knight, Amulet of Cekugob, and Brilliance (except for the bits Eos took).

>The last mountain dwarf has finally been removed; please, pour one out for our dear, departed Wiglaf. Donald got his Haste and Might, and Joseph stole his hat.
>Urug and Maud have merged into one very smelly, well-armed unique.
>Nergalle can no longer enter Death’s Door.

>Spells

>New spell: Cinco's Re-annihilation (Level 4 necromancy/hex), found in the book of death. Targets everything within the players line of sight; everything takes heavy rot and gives off miasma. Great job!

>>148359763
Literally all of this is good except for nuking Maud/Wiglaf.
Newsif is fun.

>>148359763
>>The last mountain dwarf has finally been removed; please, pour one out for our dear, departed Wiglaf. Donald got his Haste and Might, and Joseph stole his hat.

Noooo

>>148358462
Interesting isn't the word I'd use for it.

>>148359763
>The Fencer’s Gloves no longer give bonuses to Sbl & Lbl skill; instead, they let the user riposte with any weapon. This stacks with long blades’ innate riposte.
IMAGINE

RIPOSTE WITH THE DARK MAUL

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nothing better than a promising run to last lair depth just before bed!

>>148359901
I think wyrmbane getting rC is over the line. Its already the best 1 hand weapon possible, and now its even better. Eos is pretty nuts with the changes too, but wyrmbane is like a little hat of the alchemist now.

>>148360414
Oh baby.

>>148360925
I don't think standarts need to be balanced myself. Just interesting.

>>148359763
>New spell
why did you make this up

>>148360414
I saw a HoMo with the fencer's gloves and a +9 executioner's axe with +10 salying rings.
It was exactly as effective as you'd think.

>>148361406
oh baby oh baby

Frankly I think it's a change that makes the fencer's gloves useful for every character again.

>>148358462

I actually really like ADOM's overworld

It would be nice to code

>>148361112
The disparity in power level between the standarts bugs me, and I dislike how finding a good one basically invalidates most of the difficulty in a standard 3 rune. A character that finds the mask of the dragon or dyprovepreva gets a decent buff, but a character who finds bear spirit or alchemist stands a much greater chance of winning the game, 15 runes included. I feel like they should do something unique or provide utility without pushing a character way over the top. A lot of the lesser artifacts are balanced decently in this regard, with some amount of drawbacks for unique abilities.

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>>148361406
>+10 salying rings.
>+10

>>148361778
they were two randarts with +5.
You silly rabbit

>>148361745
Jesus Christ.
Alchemist is the most overrated item in the fucking game.
Bear Spirit is substantially better.

>>148362396
>Hat of take 50% less damage from everything and wear whatever the fuck you want
>overrated
Yeah, nah.

>>148362396
retard

>>148360925
Wyrmbane is not that good dude. It's good, sure.
A +9 demon trident of elec does more damage than wyrmbane against a stone giant. Wyrmbane has +5 AC and rF which is great but it's not OP or anything.

>>148361745
Hat of the alchemist is not that good now that it's -2. It varies between "pretty good" and "ok".

>>148362570
Alchemist is situationally excellent, for example on a character with no other resists than an FDA and a ring of resist cold it would be awesome.
Most characters find at least one or two of the single pip resists somewhere and at least 2 of the multi-pip resists in good slots.

For a lot of characters you are just wasting half of the alchemists slots and passing up potential 5 or more AC (which applies to more incoming damage than Alchemist resists).

Bear Spirit is way, way better since it actually gives you reduced damage taken from everything.

>>148363207
Alchemist is good because you don't have to remember to ring swap ever again. This is far more likely to save you than 4 ac, especially since you can wear protection or evasion in your now freed up ring slots.

>>148363840
>This is far more likely to save you than 4 ac, especially since you can wear protection or evasion in your now freed up ring slots.

This. Now you can just leave on that ring of robustness and shaolin.

>>148363207
Alchemist removes literally ALL oppurtunity costs for any slot you have. Have a +5 slaying ring but you're stuck wearing rF and MR+? Now you wear slaying and another good ring, or even just double down on the resist. Wear literally any body armour you wish, because all bases are covered. Cloak of invis over rPois and so on. Additionally, AC doesn't scale as well into the endgame as resists. Once you have "enough" AC, more doesn't help as much as additional EV or offensive abilities. And this is just flat out ignoring that there aren't ANY base ego helmets/hats that you'd wear over alchemist except the incredibly rare spirit hat. And how good rMut is even though you don't need it.

>>148364814
There definitely need to be more standard egos for some slots.
Hat and boots are really in need, since what do they have? Running, stealth, intelligence, mr, and sinv?
Obviously running and MR+ are good, but I think both slots could use a couple more options.
rElec boots was an idea I had.
Clarity could work on a helm too.

>>148363207
>Bear Spirit is way, way better since it actually gives you reduced damage taken from everything.
If you have a lot of mp you usually need it for casting and don't want guardian spirit taking away any of it. If you have virtually no mp, you don't need it anyway and guardian spirit hardly does anything for you. It's mainly useful for low hp races as instant death resistance

>>148364814
>Once you have "enough" AC, more doesn't help as much as additional EV or offensive abilities
This isn't true. Each point of AC is 0.5 damage reduction on average. In fact each additional point of AC is stronger than the last one because it is a bigger % reduction of the damage you're taking.

>>148365108
>Rubber Boots of Insulation (rElec)
perfect. should be a glove ego as well

>>148364814
>Once you have "enough" AC, more doesn't help as much as additional EV or offensive abilities.

Don't forget GDR.

>>148365108
>rElec boots was an idea I had.

I'm fairly sure they existed at one point. Boots of Grounding or something.

>>148365310
>If you have a lot of mp you usually need it for casting
Bad assumption. Most characters train a fair bit of Invo or Evo and most use a couple spells, but not enough to significantly drain MP. With some invo/evo/spc investment, you have enough to get ~30 MP towards the end of the game and have >20 for much of it.

>>148365310
you can also get MP by training invo or evo

training evo is good for any character, and most evocables don't actually use that mana so you can spirit shield without worry

>>148365441
gloves of free action

>>148308105
>Expect great things when the next release comes out in 2032.
3.6.1 was under feature freeze when they were added actually.
It should be out by the end of the year.
3.7.0 is when the fun starts.

>>148365441
I don't like the glove ego idea as much myself. Gloves could do with more interesting combat-related abilities, probably.

>>148365484
Yeah boots of grounding was the idea I had.

>>148365332
I thought AC worked as flat reduction and not as a percent of anything, compared to resists which are percentages (except rPois which does nothing to incoming poison damage).

>>148365332
First pip is a flat 50% damage reduction and second is another 17%. You'd be really hard pressed to get enough AC to outperform your resists. Not to mention what it costs to improve your AC vs. just getting more HP or EV.

>>148365484
GDR doesn't really do much after lair and it bums me out .

>>148365484
>I'm fairly sure they existed at one point. Boots of Grounding or something.
Don't think so. There used to be jumping boots that they removed.

>>148365808
Yeah and the first pip in rC+ and rF+ are easily acquirable without using ring or hat slot.

>>148365914
Both at the same time? Maybe if you're using a shield or you get lucky with aux armor from a volcano or ice cave.

>>148366078
It's equally as likely as this situation of having two excellent AC/EV/Slaying rings to use over your rC+ ring.

>>148366206
But that's not what you argued, you argued you get get those two without using either hat or ring
>easily
So which one is it?

>>148312008
his attacks have very high variance because they roll few many-sided dice

unlike, say, mystics, which "roll" a ton of 1-sided dice usually

>>148365914
You use your body slot and probably a ring slot for your 2 base. Ideally with MR as your other ring or as your cloak. rN be damned.

>>148366206
If you don't have any good non-resist rings then you can just wear a normal +2 helmet instead of Alchemist.

But it's not a bad item.

>>148366674
just play dcss, there's still an enemy (titanic slime) that does 1d120 damage

>>148366784
>just play dcss, there's still an enemy (titanic slime) that does 1d120 damage
That's the opposite of what he's saying. Mystics types in PCB do damage like 15d1 instead of 1d15.

>>148366784
It's not a bad item.
It's just massively overrated.
And this scenario of "two +5 rings of EV/AC/Str/Dex/Slay" is just as likely as having all your important resists well covered and a +2 helmet when you find Alchemist.

>>148317551
because she keeps killing qw

>>148359763
VEHUMET
BUFFS
W H E N

>>148365673
AC is flat reduction, but each additional point of AC reduces a bigger percent of the damage you're taking. Example:

Taking 10 damage, 2 AC reduces damage by 1, take 9 damage. That's 10% less damage taken by having 2 AC.

Now equip an item with +2 AC for a total of 4 AC.

Taking 10 damage, 4 AC reduces damage by 2, take 8 damage. The 2 extra points of AC reduced damage from 9 to 8. That's 11% less damage taken. The 2 extra points of AC were slightly more effective at reducing the percent of damage taken.

So, the more AC you stack, the more effective it becomes. It's obviously not a secret OP strat or anything, but it's actually good to equip more AC when you have a lot because it will be very effective. Of course something else like rF might be better.

>>148367341
Never ever.

>>148351853
Chain Lightning is one of the most satisfying spells to use

>>148326070
>>148296271
probably possessor or mimic
under the "monster" classes

>>148368026
Yeah but the percentage goes down significantly for higher damage attacks, and is completely outclassed by resistances for elemental attacks. It also depends on how much AC you already have, really.

>>148355086
You do realize that elemental staff melee is really strong, right

>>148368439
It's great stuff.

>>148368820
I didn't actually know that proc chance scaled with magic skill as well as evoc. Thanks for making me check that, anon. I'll start staff-whacking presently.

>>148369862
You want evocation skill anyway for CBoE or whatever other channeling method you're using
I think staff of earth is the best but I've never managed to get an earth magic character going that i didn't make me want to ^qyes

Is Hermes a good parent god to take? Speed looks useful but I'm not sure if it's better compared to some of the other god intrinsic abilities.

So let me get this straight: with fencer's gloves you have 100% chance to proc Reposte with Long blades, right?
If so, could this make a pure-melee dude able to clear ziggurats with ease? I mean, everything surrounding you gets raped if it dares to attack in melee, and this makes having both good magic AND good melee very powerful.

I wonder who'd be the best melee-ziggurat-tabber.

>>148371967
only if you dodge

>>148371967
It only procs if you dodge.

>>148372067
>>148372194
Well yes, but assuming a dodge it's a 100% proc chance, yes? And when you reach Ziggs you usually have enough EV to avoid "almost" every melee hit.

>>148371967
>>148372389
Do it anon.
Remember OTab the Great. Become the best MiBe you can be.

>>148371053
I'm with Sif actually.
Damage is working out great so far. Thanks for the tip.

>>148372672
>I'm with Sif
That's no excuse for not having a CBoE

>>148367341
The great punchline in all of this is if they had just kept Vehumet as he is instead of turning him into Dontemet, and just given Sif the buffs it would've been fine.

Just found the Gauntlets of War as a Ghoul. Is the +slaying better than my claws?

>>148373196
>using a CBoE as anything other than MuSu
>2016

Does fog effectively block LOS?
Would it make Ziggurats much easier? And what would fog exactly block? (Hellfire, torment or smite?)

>>148376219
It does

>>148375383
Combined with the AC yes.
Claws is 2 base damage. +5 slaying is, if even worse than 2 base damage, still very close.

>>148375858
>mummy
>cboe

fault

>>148376325
>scummy
>dying

but i am already dead

>>148373196
>>148375858
>using the crystal ball of no MP

>>148376219

It wouldn't exactly block those attacks, but it would put enemies out of LOS so they couldn't use them.

>>148375858
>>148376440
CBOE is pretty good as long as you aggressively use it after losing 20%~ of your MP and don't mind having 20+ evocations. Obviously don't be an undead though.