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Edgy Commander Edition

>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://store.steampowered.com/news/22385/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page
League shitter who wants to join dota?: http://www.dotabuff.com/learn/lol

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui
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i fucking hate this game

every teamfight goes PERFECTLY for them and NEVER works out for my team. it's absolutely not fucking fair.
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>>148287256

ooga
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Friendly neighborhood Linuxbro here.

Stay away from Pokemon Go, the handheld botnet. Stay safe.
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WHERE IS PITLORD
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>>148287631
thursday. classic dota big update day.
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day of the rope when
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>>148287631

in the pit
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>>148287256
G I T
U
D
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Does LC literally have a young Wukong as a shota sex slave?
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I hope pitlord is reworked when ported, because holy shit is he trash in dota 1.
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Wow this comic didnt even have any quirky one-liners. The reason you even read this crap.
The art have gotten even worse. LC looks like a dyke.
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>>148287757
fuck i laughed
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AYO HOL UP
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>>148288029
>LC looks like a dyke.

no shit she has far more testosterone in her system than you do
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U N D E R L O R D
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Is having a techies support good for a naga on the same team?
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>>148288378
>something something about "the three" when you beat legion questline

Pugna, Underlord...who's the third nether demon? I don't think it's Viper as he and pugna are enemies
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>>148288470
>Is having a (...) techies good?
no, it's not.
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so let me get this straight, you have to pay like 200 for a desu cape?

no one is that retarded right?
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>>148288486
Shadow demon, Doombringer, Underlord
Shadow fiend is merely a collector of souls.
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https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/8/83/Abad_rival_03.mp3
weow
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>>148288083
she's not black, she's meant to be ptolmeic greek or egyptian type ethnicity.
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>got ~90 fps on spring weather immortal gardens 6.88
>vulkan update
>125 fps

fucking nice valve.

>>148288658
no, those are hell demons. you can tell from teh green that underlord is an abyssal demon, like pugna. two totally different factions/sources of power.
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>>148288378
SAUCE
A
U
C
E
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>>148288820
maybe terrorblade?
i know hes from double hell but still
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>overwatch releases
>anime shitposters and erp fags disappear almost completely
really makes you think
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Tresdin's squire is canon.
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>>148267673
I've just looked my old nick up on google and noticed that the forum that I've posted in in 2006 is still online with all my extremely embarassing posts. jesus christ.

t. playdota metaforger
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>>148289028
i started reporting them and making threads on /qa/ and in feedback. i dont know if it was just coincidence but hopefully it helped

>>>/qa/583098 is also getting a lot of attention
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>>148288985
also a hell demon

pugna and underlord are nether demons(?) and viper is an animal from the nether. soooo
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>>148289268
nice quote lad
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>LC, a black, defends law and order in the lore and protects her city
>blacks in real life contribute nothing to society and commit murder, rape, robbery

>Sven, a swede, is manly, honorable, alpha and has a blonde hair blue eyed CM lusting for his dick
>swedes in real life literally wait in their cuckshed while Mohammed fuck their wife

Can someone explain this?
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>>148289347
teaser for new hero after 3 years
>implying we will get a new hero ever
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Quick question. Can you equip cosmetics with an arcana? I never see people equip any cosmetics with them but lately I have been PA with the new collector's cache skin on top of her acana. I dont know if this is a glitch or people just want to show off their arcanas.
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>>148289476
i fucked up lol
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>>148289536
yes
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>>148289508
It's almost like individuals and individuals in fiction don't represent generalizations or something.
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>>148289508

You know what to do.
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>>148289727
Meh, doesn't really mix all that well,
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>>148289536
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>>148289508
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vulkan isn't shit now lads, getting 120fps even with weathers
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>>148289508
>Kunkka, a white, is noble and civilized
>whites in real life eat mayonnaise, shoot up schools, and make right-wing shitposts on video game boards
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so did empire qualify for TI?
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>>148289508
What is it with /pol/acks having nothing original to say?
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>>148289916
its the only PA set i have, i want that one that EE used when he did his autistitic PA benge with it but honestly i rarely play PA
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>>148290032
>>148289864
>>148289969
>>148289760
t. niggers
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>>148289969
Mayonnaise is a good condiment.
Blacks shoot up more schools due to gang violence.
Most civilized people are right-wing. You don't see any college age republicans blocking traffic or attacking political rallies.
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>>148290112
How was
>>148289760
a "nigger" statement?
The initial question is fucking retarded. Someone who makes a fictional character can make whatever they want of it.
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>tfw we get a shitload of Dota comics in exchange for the TF2 mini-series never, EVER finishing

I don't know how to take this.
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>>148290347
>tf2 story ever ending

rofl lad
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>>148290347
tf2 characters aren't interesting, were overexposed in a way that reduced their qualities, and are passe
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>>148290347
You just accept it, like the fact that we'll never get a 9v9 comp system, nor a Source 2 port.
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So how do you play Legion Commander?
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>>148290754
Or a game size that's lower than 16 fucking gigabyte.
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>>148290809
>tfw at least 9 of those gigabytes are useless hat shit, PASS Time, which nobody ever fucking plays, Mannpower and MvM.
>tfw at least one of them could've been the scrapped classes, or the ability to have more than only 2 teams playing at once.
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>>148290778

wow, whos the qt mate?
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>tfw your waifu is pure
feelsgoodman
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>>148289508
>Alchemist
>proud warrior who is controlled by a small hook nosed fellow that creates wealth without contributing to society and puts dangerous chemicals in the water supply of those under him

hmmmmm
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what is vulkan?
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does echo memeer go on chaos knight?
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>>148290778

You rush your Blink Dagger, find the most retarded person on the enemy team and beat his ass in duels until you can carry the game.
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>Queue Euro with "Donald Trump" as my name.
>Discover that every dota-playing European is an expert on American politics, and that I'm a jingoistic jar-head.
Every time.
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>>148291449

desu, i really like Echo Sabre on CK.

Even though the illusions dont receive the double hit, the sheer mana regen it provides allows CK to stay in the field for MUCH longer periods of time. CK prefers to be farming heroes rather than creeps, so the sooner he is in a position to roam the map and gank, the better.
It mostly comes down to Echo vs Drums, admittedly.
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>>148291509
It's not the yuros fault they've been programmed since the age of 6 to believe certain things without questioning them
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>>148291509

No more /pol/ dog whistle posts please
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>>148291449
echo saber goes good on literally every str carry currently
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>>148291509
>Be Peruvian
>Put MAGA 2016 after name
>Suddenly, I am white
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How the fuck is Morphling balanced lmaooo
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>use jewish letters as IGN
>suddenly i'm a kike and should be blamed for every loss

LUL
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>>148291978
the jews are to blame for all bad in the world
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>>148289272
fuck off reddit cuck, almost every change in the past 4+ years has sucked.
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>>148289952

haven't played for about a year, what's this vulkan stuff?
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>LC cosmetic locked behind paywall

OY VEY
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>>148292329
ass blasted avatarfag and or /pol/ack detected
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>>148291893
what do you build on him?
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>>148292395
>you have to pay for a cosmetic
how is this new?
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>>148292358
some shit that makes dota run better for some pcs
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>>148290040
That's my usual set.
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>>148292358
Just a new feature that comes with the drivers for newer graphics cards. It's suppose to be a hefty performance boost for most modern pcs.
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>>148288029
>b-but girls need to have longass hair!
Not if they are tryhards in fights like LC is.
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>>148292539
ya thats what i want, not worth the money for a hero i never play though. the only reason i even have the arcana is cause my GF got it for me
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>>148292539
What would fucking her astral pussy feel like?
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>>148292542

How do I activate it? Launch options?
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>>148289028
hehe sorry I've been busy lately.

On Friday I can resume our usual programming: Doturds and the Cute Anime Girls Who Post Them
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>>148292546
Also, she's in an army...meaning days, possibly weeks, between bathing opportunities. Even if you stumble upon a stream or something, it takes habitual cleansing to really keep long hair clean without hot water.
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>>148292670
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>>148292539
Sasabi?
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>>148292783
Does that mean in medieval times all cute girls had cute short hair so it would be easier to wash?
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>>148292670
Amazing. Although I do worry that you'd gaze into the abyss, see another astral PA pussy. try to fuck it, only to feel the all too familiar jab of your own dick in your ass.

>>148292651
I spent the money, so I will autistically spam PA whenever I get the chance. Fun hero this patch, get your use before they give her the nerfbat.
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>>148292723
-vulkan after right clicking game going to properties selecting it in the DLC or whatever
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what was the TB nerf afain?
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>>148293102
Metamorphasis is dispelled on death/aegis reincarnation.
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>>148293102
Metamorphosis no longer persists through death/aegis, also costs 100 mana now instead of 50.
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>>148292905
No. It means that they bathed regularly. Europe had bath houses in that era, and you could always just stick your head in a river.
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>>148293182
>>148293184
>dying while morphed

noone does this right?
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>>148293275
pro teams regularly suicide into rax while they have the big dark demonic army doing stuff
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>one racks down
>rest of the team just sits in the fountain instead of trying to fight in one of the most comeback friendly patches of the game

Didn't realize I was playing fucking League.
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>>148285276

you dont have the cars mod installed? you never heard anyone say: me go GT-R mid or blow rod?

you never flamed anyone for not investing cash points into engine oil when they pick a fucking rx-7 and start roaming?
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>>148292723
http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/22000/
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>game will never be 6.83-tier good again
Why persist?
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PSG's adventures in low priority: Part 236230692096

we won this game. I finished 1-16 with a TP scroll in my inventory but I did put up at least 40 sentry wards.
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>>148294072
>troll vs sniper

literally the worst meta i can remember and ive been playing for 5 years
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>>148294072
>mfw I started playing in 6.83 and played with retards of such magnitude that didn't understand the meta and didn't have to suffer neither troll now sniper
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>There are people who actually believe Morphling is a balanced hero
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THE COMIC WONT FUCKING LOAD FOR ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
anyways spoil me lads , my theory on why LC is a woman is because LC is like a title like Kenpachi and our moustache LC failed to protect their homeland so that's why he got demoted and woman LC got the title
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>>148294330
*picks ET*

pshht nothing personnel
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>no jousting str hero with a crit chance
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Damn, I like strong women like Tresdin
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>>148294436
Who is CK? for 500 battlepass points, Gaben.
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yasp > heroes > apply a filter > 6.83 > top 5

go
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>>148293747
you have to get on the mic and tell your team repeatedly the other team is shit, also remind your team you can turtle indefinitely

jungle LS + AA mid + support drow btw
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>>148294513
CK is a clobbering raider not a noble jousting hero at all
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>>148294354
The comic is SJW shit for the part and boring shit for the second anyway
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>>148294354
That's stupid
you're stupid
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>>148294575
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>LC comic
>"Able bodied men"
>LC somehow fits this
?
LCtards?
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Weekly summary.

Post 'em
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>>148294709
Who cares if its SJW , all I want to know if I'm right. Fucking CBR download is 404 as well REEEEE
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>>148294575
Literally only redditors and cuckolds hated this patchu.
It felt so good to be good and have that alone carry your retards in a 1v9 game.
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Any tips on doing quests?

my unranked mmr is like mid/high 2k, and the quests i have left are easily done with orge magi.

Im not incredibly comfortable with the hero, and when i ask to play solo offlane, my team thinks im playing a solo support and picks cores instead. Im getting my quests done, but struggling to win due to the fact that my cores are garbage at farming. What can I do to secure wins?
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>>148294941
You're wrong
LC is the commander of the legion and you can duel him to become the commander of the legion
So Tresdin joined the legion, immediately duelled the commander, got destroyed then trained a lot and [off screen] eventually beat him I guess since they don't show this
Then there's like 10 pages where nothing at all happens and she eventually joins the radiant-dire battle
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>>148295004
i had a game where my lanes were bad so i jungled sniper

i had like, treads maelstrom at 35 minutes or something. enemy team kept fucking around, got wiped twice, i built 4 mjolnirs, shat out like 900,000 DPS and ended positive.

people underestimate the hero even now and he is possibly the hardest fucking thing to high ground against he can just rip you apart, good luck blinking either without wasting your bkb
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>>148295119
Which quests?
Because I can fucking guarantee that shrek isn't the best for all of them.
t. man with 3 stars on all quests except for the windrunner and leshrac-only ones.
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>>148291509
>have DT 2016 as name
>europoors are so assblasted they keep allchatting while i am busy winning

Is there a downside to being a Trump supporter?
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>>148295295
Aether lens with ogre offlane is pretty easy, thats what im working on at the moment.
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>the reason why it took years to port an OLD HERO is because he lost to someone and he's binding his time to comeback

Damn Valve , really makes you think...
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>>148295476
you don't get to fuck cute lil liberal girls
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>>148295476
>DT 2016
yeah I doubt anyone got that unless you like spammed it all chat like some kind of faggot
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>>148294436
I have been throwing that Idea around for years now

>Q Joust
Rushes towards target point in a strait line at 800 movespeed
>destroys trees and passes through creeps
>if an enemy hero is hit they are stunned and dealt a crit
>stun duration and crit percent are dependant on how much distance was traveled
>higher levels increases max distance
>a Joust hit will always proc piercing strike

W: Piercing strike
>Passive
>20% chance to deal bonus damage and ignore some armor
>higher levels increaes damage and armor ignored
>armor can never drop below 0 as a result of piercing strike so hitting a 6 armor hero and a 0 armor hero will do the same damage

E: Valiance
>releases a pulse in a small area around him
>temporarily mutes most buffs on affected enemies
>increases duration with levels

R: Battletide Aura
>gives small boosts to damage, armor, mana regen, health regen, move speed, and attack speed
>only affects heroes
>fully stacks with all other auras
>2500 radius
>also boosts the range of all friendly aruas to 2500 radius
>so if a Rubick with vlads stood beside him everyone in range of battletide aura would gain the null field and vlad aura effects

Aghs upgrade
>gives a negative battletide aura to all enemies in range
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>>148295476
Can't say there is.
>>148295534
Consider Nyx_________
Casually using stun to get last hits after starting with boots, tangoes, and a branch or so is how I got it.
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>>148295176
>played a game where we were literally 4-30 down
>jugg has morbid mask a wand and brown boots
>alch has a platemail and phaseboots
>we can't leave the base
>but their 27-0 riki can't push towers and his team are morons
>TB farms jungle with illusions
>we get a few good fights in exchange for paltry tower damage
>I get my aghs on nyx
>no highground allowed
>win

DON'T CALL IT A MEMEBACK
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there are actually two heroes coming.

LC quest references "the three"

pugna and underlord are nether demons, viper is nether but not a demon. not on the same plane of power.

there's a new hero coming.
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>>148295624
Biding*
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what are >we watching lads
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how to fix dota

>starting a game costs 1 cent
>if you win you get your cent back

there

suddenly third worlders removed from the game and people who tilt easily stop playing because they don't want to waste money
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>>148295958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EikRMYRf5-Y
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what are we watching family
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>ear is itchy
>stick finger in there
>a bit more earwax than normal
>ear keeps being itchy
>keep gettign more wax
>finally get up and grab a Q-tip
>huge chunk of dark orange earwax
>clean that shit out real good
>10 minutes later feel something in ear
>take off headphones
>outer ear is literally filled up with dark orange wax
>enough to make ball larger than a pea
>shake my head and more keeps falling out

Am I die Deetugee?
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>LC kills Dota 1 Legion Commander, explaining the sex change
Pretty clever honestly
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>>148295786
Could be this guy. Also, dragon lance references wyvern outrider, another hero from 6.77. I guarantee you he will be one of the first 3 new heroes to come out

Sissy will be another one. Her design is awesome
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>>148295739

You can only comfortably pick Nyx vs a hard counter of him, like Tinker, OD or Dusa.

It doesn't help that if that if u start failing your ganks, expect to have the whole map sentried just for you. It's super easy to succeed until the enemy team has the resources to catch you or starts 5maning
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>>148296072
the fuck is this garbage
i'm definitely not watching that
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>>148296039
but that's already how it works you silly cuck.
buy steam shekels and hats = get better teams.
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>>148296252
its actually pretty good
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>>148294903
weekly

If I am literally only good at most supports and play support role pretty hard is there any shred of hope for me in solo matchmaking? Im trying to dig from 500mmr with the seasonal jewpendium bullshit for a recalibration.
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>>148296039
hatcucks are the ones who keep this game free for "thirdworlders"

thanks
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>>148296039
>how to utterly destroy company's image in one single move

Imagine the shitshow
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>>148296234
awww i guess three refers to three heroes? that's interesting then

who helped legion at stonehall? it's not in the lore..
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>>148296183
bet you never played wc3 psg fuck off
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>>148295786
>overshadowing the debut of Pitlord after spending gorillion years in valve's who gives a fuck list
No way
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>>148296341
sry lad but i swore off watching youtube """personalities""" except for the based woodworkshop guy
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>>148296456
yeah of course i never played wc3 i stopped playing rts games at red alert 2

i am friends with faluzure though, who was ranked #1 on azeroth ladder for a substantial period of time

>yfw psg is oldschool legit all over the internet and you're not
I bet your irc channel was never even featured on prime time national news.
>>
stop replying to him
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>>148296483
Based Ian of Forgotten Weapons is bretty gud.

He's basically the only channel I watch.
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>>148296483
>not watching chef john
you are the oscar pistorius of your youtube boringness
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>KotL is completely OP this patch
>No one complains because it's a 5 position ward bitch that doesn't gets kills

I'm enjoying my free MMR and so should you. Remember that Mana Leak>>>Illuminate
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w33 vs sumail
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>>148296834
ME VS UR MUM
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>>148296354

>Claims to be a support player
>Most picked item are Aghs and Shadowblade

Start getting Glimmer+Force. Counters Sven and Lifestealer which are the meme carries of this patch. Helps not only you but anyone that gets jumped.

Also helps vs Tinker but u want a pipe against that

t.4.5k support.
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>>148296834
Sumail's the better player. I didn't get why in old EG peter didn't forcefeed him invoker every match
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>>148297012
>it's a shitskin post
ugh
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>>148297012
>>148296987
no you mistunderstood

they're beefing in a pub right now and doing a 1vs1
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>>148294575
Basically didn't play the game from 6.82-85. Otherwise I would have had a dickton more Sniper, I love that little faggot. Also I mainly random so not pictured is the fact that I only had 10 not played heroes even for a patch I didn't play.
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How do we make SF great again lads
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>>148297004
Well lately I have been niggering with the compendium and whatnot not playing my best at supports. The only thing that hangs me up is literally balancing no moneys between excess wards and defensive shit. Plus teammates that over extend to the point where you think they are feeding. Im thinking playing Keeper of the Light and forcing their ass back to base to defend might have to be a thing. I can't do Chen well.
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>Add "Good Game(All Chat)" to my wheel
>Weekly reports go from 0 to 4~

Really makes u think huh
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>>148297375
movement speed obvs
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>>148297375
>Shadow Raze
>Now a channeled ability, 2 sec max channel
>1300 max range
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>>148297115
dam couldn't find the lobby
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>>148294305
>>148294304
>>148294072
Was one of the least frustrating patches to solo queue since I picked sniper every game
Too bad playing with friends was a nightmare.
got tired of that patch around march or april
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>>148297097
>w33 is somehow not a shitskin
lol
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>>148297375
Fucking unnerf his Raze and he'll be situationally good.

He's still the deny lord that he always was once he gets like six souls.

Maybe some changes to his ultimate too, like make the debuff duration 4/5.5/7
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This vulkan shit doesn't seem to do anything for me, is that common?

I'm playing on a craptop with integrated graphics.
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>>148297375
get rid of the jungle magic resistance
or just make it not stack
>>
LOLI LC
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>>148297553
actually that doesnt explain it right

it'd be a new type of ability i guess? a "hold down" ability? you hodl the button to make raze go farther for up to 2 seconds

it's time to start breaking away from dota 1, dota 1 is over, time to add new mechanics that were not possible. the one thing dota could take from league.
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>>148297375
335 movespeed
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>>148297641
yea its not for you its for muticore shit or something
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>>148297012
>6.86
>shanghai major
>invoker is at his strongest
>sumail is known for being a good invoker player
>ppd drafts mid nyx and pugna

wew fucking lad I did not understand the point of drafting those heroes.
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i dont know why return damage isnt pure yet

ability that feels so lackluster
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>>148297641
your adapter probably doesnt have vulkan support...
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>>148297754
Yeah Pedur is straight up fucking retarded sometimes.
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>>148297718

I got multicores on this bad boy though. I've deleted the launch option for muli-threading a while back though, after reading some shit about launch options not doing anything anymore, or was that the autoexec?

Can someone give fps boost launch options please, right now I've only got -high and -vulkan
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I just won a game of Dota 2, please give me (You)s
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>>148297790

Does the vulkan api page list supported adapters?
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why are people convinced the next hero is coming this Thursday?
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@000
no
nice trips tho
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I barely ever played Legion what's the starting item build?
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>>148298094
Legion Commander 6.88 (Core) Build
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>>148298094
Quelling tangos salve idk
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>>148298094
blink
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Don't you have to be gold level compendium to access the legion quests? All the poorfags wanting that shit won't even be able to get it
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>>148298313
its like the enigma bracers
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>>148298094

Talon+Tangos

Disregard reddit kids, jungle LC is completely viable as long as you get a quick Blink and coordinate ganks with it. Also don't do it in case of BH/Riki
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>>148298094
rush a soul ring and go dual offlane. You'll blow em up with your
>Free echoslams
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>>148298313
The real question is why the fuck would you want that cosmetic when Errant Soldier and ESL Netherstar are better looking/less ugly.
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Does anyone wanna be buddies?
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>not tradable
>not marketable

gg valve, compendium getting worse every year
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>>148294072
I quit dota for 5 months because of 6.83, almost did the same on 6.86.
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>>148289508
>>defends laws an order
she is an awful commander who makes retarded strategical decisions just because he wants to fight like a brute ape

so yes she's is pretty much like a rl nigger

>implying LC didn't commit murder, rape and robery while in the legion
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>>148298756
Not even the new weathers they added this year were good compared to rain/snow/moonbeam. Only the Immortal Gardens is decent, Clinkz and WR sets look like fucking Steam Workshop rejects (back when shit actually got rejected) and Ursa set is kind of bland, kind of ugly.
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>>148294072

I miss the Lina+StormSpirit vs SF+LeShrek patch

Funnest patch i've had in ages
>>
Oldfag here.
I used to play the first dota a lot, even winning some local shit.

Is Invoker viable on d2? Is there any important change? I loved playing with that character.
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>>148298830
>implying LC didn't commit murder, rape and robery while in the legion
because that's a rare thing in wars?
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>>148298980
yes and dota 2 has very little to do with dota 1 anymore if you havent played in a long time the game is very different

invoker is almost always viable
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>>148298980
it changes season by season but right now hes one of the best heroes in the game and has been for half a year
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>>148298980
>Is Invoker viable on d2?
he's probably the most broken hero in the game currently
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>>148298980

Invoker was OP last patch and is still preety viable this one. Also both skillbuilds are legit so whatever, enjoy i guess.
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>>148298903
Also you have to buy levels if you want another Immortal Chest II or III :^)
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>>148298980
boy you missed the bus. Invoker was best hero in the game for a few big tournaments this year
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Been playing Dota for 2 years

Still haven't touched these heroes

Don't know why
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>>148299428
jesus christ end yourself

probably only play two roles too
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>>148299428
>ember
>rubick
>pugna
>jugg
>weaver
>tusk

such fun heroes
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>what kinda arcana u want?
>
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>>148299586
>every other company tries to make "strong woman" characters
>fails
>always butchers the design in some way
>valve just makes a bitch in armor who beats the shit out of everyone

simplicity is key.
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>>148299428
>not playing roaming Tusk, BH, Riki, Mirana or Rubick
just kill urself senpai
>>
Are we getting 3 new fucking heroes with this patch on top of Pit Lord, or are they going to warp the everloving shit out of the lore on Ursa/Windranger. Because those quest line heroes are explicitly not them.
The closest to existing Dota 2 heroes for the lines are definitely Clinkz/WK/Invoker. But rogue seems like an invis poison hero, but it's definitely not BH. Warrior seems very WKesque with the line about rising again, and it would work since WK has no established lore. Spellbinder is a stretch, my initial thought was Silencer since it talks about a lone sentinel, which is the base model in WC3 for Silencer, but the lines about those straying fall first seems like Sunstrike, the lines about bindings applys to DB, and Invoker is obviously unarmed. If Warrior didn't fit WK so damn well I'd think it was a Wukong rework since he seems to be LC's shota, and since new PL is effectively WUkong's design. Rogue really doesn't fit anyone, because of the lines about poison and shit, otherwise Clinkz definitely works, and the Spellbinder partially fits Silencer/Invoker/Omni, omni because of all the shit about protecting allies, but he has a big ol Mace. I mean it seems absolutely insane to think that Valve would not only have finally put all the active DOTA heroes in the game, on top of 3 new heroes, but there's just so much new shit, on top of the leaked LC comic being much longer -potentially- it is after all, just a unconfirmed leak, even if it perfectly got the LC Immortal. I personally don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell Valve releases 4 fucking heroes, but it's nice to be able to theorize and be excited about a dota patch, even if it includes a guarantee of the next month and a half havinga legion in literally every game
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>>148299586
>filename isn't JUST
You had just one job anon..one..job
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>>148299428
CM, BH, Lich, Jug, Naix, Slardar, Ursa are quite casual to play. Try them in pub, you should have no problem unless you want to play them at full potential.
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>>148299586
JUST
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>greatest magician to ever exist
>can learn fucking everything if he wants too
>stuck with 10 spells
Uh dotards?
New spells when?
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>>148299428
youve never played juggernaut
YOUVE NEVER PLAYED JUGGERNAUT
WHAT THE FUCK
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>>148299920
those are the best spells he deemed worthy remembering

did you even read the lore
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>>148300074
still no single target stun tho
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>>148300274
yeah, I wish invoker had a spell like coldsnap
that would really round out invokers spells, it being a single target stun
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>>148300274
>cold snap
>not the best single target stun out there
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>>148300274
how come everyone is botching about cold snap all the time when venge/sven/wk stune exists lmao

check mate
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>>148299801
t.retard wukuk autist
>>
So dotards I think I just broke my left hand. Is it possible to play dota with just a mouse or am I boned.
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>>148300432
cold snap lasts for 3 decades or until you die
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>>148299920

Invoker spells at lv25 are like an ultimate of most heroes. Biggest offender being deafening blast.

Eat shit
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>>148300419
>>148300420
>>148300432
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>>148300526
well thanks for prooving my point even further
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>>148299428
You can start with Sand King and Rubick, both are kinda simple and very fun to play
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>>148300575
You forgot to mention the part where it procs every .6 seconds.
>>
guise is troll viable
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anyone know if there's a "boosting" kind of thing for the ti6 quests? lc ones are brutally dumb
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are you telling me if coldsnap stunned like venge's he would be even more broken?

lamo!
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>>148300886
Yes there's lobbies for it
>>
What do you guys think about Earth Spirit?
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>>148300915
You can do quests on lobbies?
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>>148300893
what
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>>148301001
>he doesnt know

lurk more in vg chat
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>>148300575
it adds up
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>>148300523
Yes, pick drow
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>>148301001
You can't do quests in custom lobbies. Think they usually do it with like india servers or something
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>>148300893
If magic missile stunned like cold snap it would be broken.
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>>148300523
you are boned, try playing minesweeper or some shit
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>Roam supported all day and won all my games today
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How much will the treasure sell for later compared to the immortals do you think?

With my luck I will not get anything rare and I already got one of everything so I might as well get as many shekels as I can
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>>148301179
Is it time brother?
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>>148300893

Yes because there are many invoker spells that with the proper setup are truly OP. EMP, Meteor, Sunstrike.

That's why Invoker's setups are all "ambiguous", like Tornado, Coldsnap or Deafening Blast, none of them guarantee you hit your hard hitting spells.
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>>148301229
Did you have fun?
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>>148301179
>>148301117
Guess I'll just go play Battle for Wesnoth.
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>>148301325
>That double tap on Nahaz

Based
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>>148301325
it's time tomorrow, we take john connor at the summit
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>>148301360
yes
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>>148301292
first ones maybe 2$ second one maybe 15 first day drop down to 5-10$ quick

third one unknown but will probably hold at 25$ regardless of quality
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>>148301405
Before we take John Connor at the summit I must do this..
do you have the kotl only loop
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>>148301416
wr immortal would be worth more that 15 i think
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>>148294208
can i at least get one (you) guys this is one of the funny ones! I don't do this shit for free you know
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@148301721
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>>148301718
chests are based on averages

I think the wr will be in high demand but desu the rest in that chest are not gonna be high demand
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dont flame in unranked or else you get paired with people 1-2k mmr lower than you
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>>148301648
nope, just have the one kotl picture
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>>148301828
the more popular the higher net youd be getting

also because no other bow compares to rainmaker than this
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>>148300983
>>148300983
>>148300983

ANSWER ME GODDAMMIT
>>
Absolute Madman

Someone completed half the LC quests as Rubick
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>>148301965
He's a good roaming support but that's it, too weak to offlane anymore.
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>>148301828
don't flame in ranked or your team plays like shit, even if they're already playing like shit they somehow get worse

It's fucking dumb, people aren't motivated by winning or getting compliments for playing well or anger or fear of being berated or anything, they just want to be shit at dota and somehow they have fun making other people lose the game.
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>>148302008
kek
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>>148301965
skill capped
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>>148301965
I think Earth Spirit is a pretty cool guy

Eh summons statues and doesnt afraid of anything
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>>148302067
>>148301843
shit, replied to wrong post
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>>148302067
>dont flame
>win more

uhmm doturds?
tututtuturds?
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so has dota viewership just died? these past tournaments are getting barely any views
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>>148301648
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>>148302152
>what is hrammar

literally raping the english language and dropping your subhuman spooge down the throat of a struggling mother tounge
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>>148302459
>lolbab tries to shitpost.jpg

dont trigger the resident co-posters to drop feces on your general again
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Lets all go out and do a rape!
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>>148302459
Yes.

Sponsors losing interest because the Majors soak up all the money and are the only tournaments due to being the only ones with compendiums. So every LAN organizer now has to plan some way to avoid or make themselves distuingished from a Major, and you can't have your tournament too close to a Major because then teams might drop it to practice for the massive prizepool Major.

Prizepools overall dwindling because if you can't promote with a compendium that has a lot of cosmetics then nobody will buy your ticket. Twitch viewership alone can't pay for the tournaments.

These next few years Valve is going to go full take the money and run tier.
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>>148302503
>hrammar

oh the ironing
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>>148302480
Thanks family
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>>148302459
no
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>>148302503
>literally raping the english language and dropping your subhuman spooge down the throat of a struggling mother tounge
so anally devastated he cant recognize a subtle meme

im not even him jesus lurk more newfag
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>>148302659
>dota is dying
>volvo making over 40 million phat profit from selling digital hats
>not to mention the majors
>not to mention independent tournaments(which still sell tickets)


going by twitch viewership Overwatch is dead in the cradle

hint; it's not
>>
>>148302459
>no top tier teams in it
>expecting viewers
What the hell
>>
>>148302659
this honestly sounds true as much as I don't like it.

the thing is though they won't go into run mode while there's money to be made and I think they have literally tried with the whole ruining the cosmetic market shit.

retards keep throwing money at them for literally anything the add to dota 2 after they keep jewing everyone over harder and harder (those mystery boxes were top notch, holy shit who actually buys a box full of garbage after loot crate and shit have been out for years now).
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>>148302503
>"hrammar"
>Does not recognize the "doesn't afraid to into" meme.
>>
>>148302804
luaghing at someone whose obviously clowning, wow your really quite the champ aint you cowboy
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We almost there

Everyone ready for disappointment?
>>
>play bane
>max enfeeble
>laugh and taunt in all chat as enemy carry tries to last hit with 0 damage

If the aim of DotD is to make the enemy mad. This is the best build in DotA.
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>>148303047
>>148303128
delet this
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>>148302969
hey retard, he said 3rd party tournaments, not the game itself.

I doubt anyone's gonna watch the summit that much, especially now that there's like 3 fucking summits for like 3 games since merlini/ld went full jew
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>>148303132
Can't wait to get half a level!
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Is this a joke game or something right now?
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>>148302679
that gif was so cute I made another version to reduce the jumpiness of the reverse
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>>148303238
>especially now that there's like 3 fucking summits for like 3 games

??
>>
>>148302969
That's the thing though, Valve are the only ones making a profit right now, and probably ESL and Starladder (maybe MarsTV's MDL too, not sure).

The Summit 2015 didn't make a profit.
Epicenter this year didn't make a profit.

As far as eSports go Overwatch is pretty dead, Blizzard and a few groups might throw money at it to get things started for a few months like they did with Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm but I doubt anything will stick hard enough that it will get anything like 2010-2012 Starcraft 2 big.

For the past three years each year has seen fewer Dota 2 LANs, former organizers and investors weren't making enough profit back in 2013 and 2014 and got squeezed out by bigger names like ESL, Starladder, DreamLeague, WePlay and now they're getting squeezed out by Valve. Starladder used to have 2-3 LANs a year roughly, DreamLeague used to have two seasons. They can't do that anymore under the Major system and they can't boost their prizepools with compendiums anymore either.
>>
How do we make Sange not so garbage?
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>>148303128
>i was merely pretending
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>>148303463
love watching kunkka in pro games
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>>148303465
Just type takagi-san on Google family
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>>148303617
Attack Speed Slow is percentage based.
>>
Young Tresdin is cute! CUTE!
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>>148303683
kunkka is legit, I'm more questioning the sniper and and chaos knight picks.
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>>148303463
>kunkka is bad
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>>148303473
overwatch and smash. it's a fucking brand now of "the summit" tournaments
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>>148303973
>Smash

Man top goy LD must be really desperate.
>>
>>148303463
>t2 chinese team
>caring about them

why?
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>>148304045
>LD
>desperate
He needs more money
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>>148302987
What mystery boxes? the crates/treasures?
>>
pitlord has armpit fetish
>>
>>148304261
your mom has cuck fetish
>>
>>148304209
manilla major secret shop

3 sizes: small medium large

medium and large are literally the same, but large has a chance for getting a steel series mouse and includes a cheap manilla major tote bag in every one.

the large costs like 20 bucks more than the medium.

many a kek was had if you went on reddit during that major, so much butthurt all around
>>
>>148290778
don't listen to what everyone says. buy an iron talon and go straight to your jungle, rush blink and do what he says >>148291498
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>>148304209
I think he means the microplush boxes.

I'd like to believe only women buy these boxes, why would a man, not matter how much he loves Dota, buy fucking plushies.
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>>148304404
Oh wait I remember now.
but that wasn't valve, that was the Pinoy organizers
>mfw people got butthurt and called me a RAYYCISt because I said I wasn't surprised about pinoys pulling this shit
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>>148304459
no, not that. the manilla major boxes where some had a mouse and others were you wasting your money because you got the items in the medium box while paying much more for it.
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>>148304535
dude it was valve. valve orders the merch for the store, they make money off it. they definitely had the idea to try doing crates irl.

it fits their jew MO perfectly

now whether or not some boxes were opened by the pinoy staff at the store and they took the mouses out, that another story (also yeah they did that shit, nice lah)
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>>148304459
I'm a hairy ass man and I bought 4 plushies that sit on the top shelf of my desk. I have a bigger pokemon plushie I got gifted sitting on my bed, don't be such an insecure faggot anon
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>>148304797
That's dumb.
You're dumb.

If you're going to buy little ornamental objects why not buy something cool like a figurine. Something with real craftsmanship and technical skill put into it.

Not a dinky little plushie.
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>>148304351
*sniffs your armpits*

Back the fuck off?!!!
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>>148303145
shame that it's so mana-intensive in the early game - max enfeeble is my favorite bane build as well.
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man this moment of courage quest is hard. any tips?
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i just lost a game after a 13 game win streak
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>>148305727
Stop now and don't let the loss streak start.
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>tfw you're one loss away from falling back down to 3k
4k was fun while it lasted mates
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The immortal PtA looks like ass when cast on other heroes.
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>>148304987
>cool like a figurine
>my vagina when
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>>148305845
Go play on chink servers fammo.

As long as you don't make it blitheringly obvious that you're not Chinese (as in typing/talking in English) they play pretty seriously (though some net issues, for both you and Chinese players will occur, lag/packet loss for you maybe - a quick disconnect can fix that in some cases).

Also don't be rude and unpause or spam gg or anything like that. Like 8/10 chinks are well-mannered and don't talk shit, except the really tilted ones. Just make sure you don't get that Storm mid player or safe lane Void player. Chinks fucking love mid Storm, safe lane Morph/Void, etc, and usually they do not play it well or well enough.
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>>148306067
Yeah well your pussy can't do this can it honeybuns.
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>>148306237
chink servers are definitely the best

they are the only server where very high mmr players (6k+) almost entirely play RANDOM DRAFT every game instead of fucking all pick
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>>148306406
Seriously outside of 6.5k+ MMR on Eu West chink servers are the only place where I can just relax. I don't have to even try to captain/command my teammates because I know they can't understand anything outside of scroll wheel commands and pings. Which helps me with my own play because I'm able to just focus on making my role/play more efficient.

It removes almost all of the babysitting out of playing.
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>>148291509
Post more Drow x WR cuteness
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6.88b is out you fucks, now go have the time of your lives!
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>yfw the 6th letter of the alphabet is 14

>yfw 14.88

>yfw icefrog is a nazi
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>>148306967
>6th letter of the alphabet is 14
Did you mean to say F?

Because that's the grade you're getting on this post.
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Where is the rest? This can't be the end of the comic, right?
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will this game finally be the first drow aghs?

chrono and split arrows right?
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>>148306967
It's actually 15 you dingus.
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>>148307125
it's leading into the pitlord reveal comic
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>>148299428
>He doesn't want his FREE MANA for him and/or his team.
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>>148305845
Good. Stay there.
I fucking hate 3k players. You guys are brain dead. Even worse than 4ks.
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>>148298830
pls stop if i get any harder ill pass out
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Battle pass sale when?
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>>148307206
>Pitlord belongs to the same race of demons that destroyed Tresdin city

POTTERY
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What happened?

Honest question, I really want to know.
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is victoria a grill :3
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>>148307576
It's not fucking Pottery if that was the established lore like two fucking years ago.
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>>148299764
She's not just a bitch in armor, she rapes kills and butchers anything that oposes her, and not always in that order.
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>>148307725

el balanced pope of the recycle bin
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>>148307725
this is a very low mmr game

dire did some stupid shit, got necro'd and lost
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Where can I just get the Collectors Cache BANE COSMETIC IT'S SO GOOD GAT DAMN.

And i read that some people think it's the worst, what the absolute fruit. WHERE CAN I BUY IT FROM THEM JEEZSIS
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>>148307725
People literally forget that Necro exists, and then suddenly the game is lost at 60 minutes because of a single fight

He's one of the few heroes I think Agh's>Refresher>Octameme is great, with maybe a Shiva's/Sheep as needed, because entire games can single-handedly come down to whether or not you kill someone important with Reaper
That's the only reason he's worth, and that alone is really powerful
Death Pulse is gone mid-game, Sadist means fuck-all by then as well, though Heartstopper is still pretty good because %
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>>148308106
I'll give you one for FREE_____________

id/engio
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>>148308129
veil, blink, aghs, refresher necro doesnt lose
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>>148301818
WHEN WILL THEY UPDATE DAMNIT, WHERES MY DAILY TOMO
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>>148308106
But it is the worst
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>>148307725
>PA
>No BKB
>Battlefury

That's all there is to it.

She willingly chose to come online slower so that she couldn't midgame peak before MKB came out, against a team who had sufficient lockdown and nukes from Viper's ultimate, Lina's nukes, and Tidehunter's ravage to kill her.

If she had bought Aquila SNY Deso or maybe Aquila Drums Deso she could've capitalized on the fact that: Viper, Lina, Enchantress, and Clinkz all have low armor and do not typically buy early armor items.

Furthermore PA's entire team lacks control. They are relying on Warlock's Golems, Upheaval, and Elder Titan stomp to keep any hero down during a teamfight. So bad picks. The advantage of a stun over a slow is people can't fucking cast spells when they're stunned, and when you have an Aquila, Deso, SNY Phantom Assassin phantom striking a hero who has low armor and not high STR gain and is stunned they die in about 3-4~ seconds.

When people see their mid Lina or their carry Clinkz melt to a fucking Phantom Assassin like that at 16-20 minute mark, they might panic and say fuck it time to run, lost fight. This increases the hesitation for them to join the next fight, when this Lina or Clinkz know all they have to do is weather PA's midgame peak and draw the game out, but if every fight is 3v5 or 4v5 because someone is TPing in too late or trying to farm so they can fight the PA then they are unwittingly losing their team the game.
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>>148308129
As far as I remember, nobody (important at least) got scyted. He wasn't that often in teamfights, look at his assists.
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>>148301371
Good choice
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mana leak nerf when?
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>>148308129
Octomeme can be better before refresher just for the durability/mana and the boost to your q.
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>>148308528
KotL is trash, despite Mana Leak being one of the absolutely most broken abilities in the game
Don't kill a shit hero just for that
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>>148308528
when you stop picking timber and giving me free MMR
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>>148308579
I personally agree, but most seem to prefer the double ult in quick succession
Octameme is certainly better overall, but Refresher first is better if you're up against a really deadly 2/3 core line-up aka every meta for the last 3 years
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>>148307725
>shadowblade viper with clinkz on team
>three (3) fucking orchids for some reason
>noblink tidehunter (situationally viable but not this time)
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Is Purge going to be okay?
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>>148308342
>tfw no blond PA gf
YEL?
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>>148308342
>Radiant Victory
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How many carries are there that just leave the nest at level 6?
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>>148308914
clinkz.... ?
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>>148308874
i'm going to bed
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>>148308839
>mfw this post is always a new IP
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>>148308342
I think this is more it, rather than Necro, as some people mentioned.

As you said, early on we were wrecking shit. PA was someone we weren't worried at teamfights.

Now that you mention the BKB, I reckon one of my mistakes was (maybe) going for orchid before mkb and a hard disable such as vyse. I thought Lina was gonna get it (instead of mkb) tho.

Also pic related. PA got incredibly lucky with the crits.
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How do you farm jungle efficiently as meepo?
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MFW POKEKSMON GO LITERALLY STOLE ALL OVERKEKS SPOTLIGHT THEM OVERKEKS BUTTHURT FAG FOAMING IN THEIR FAGGOT MOUTH FEELS GOOD FAMALAM!!
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Summit 1:
>cool new idea
>hosted in the best time for Dota (before TI4, a lot of good teams there)
>Best EG roster to win the whole thing
Summit 2:
>novelty starts to wear off
>everyone is shit compared to VG
>All-Star match is the only good thing
Summit 3:
>Tryhard as fuck (which is good), but no fun and no feeling of comfyness
>shit bracket system
>good final, but that's basically it, bad All-star game also
Summit 4:
>complete shit
>no one but EG and VP actually try hard enough
>fucking Slacks with dumbass OSfrog sketch

Summit 5:
>will be one of the worst tournament in dota history
>everyone will hide their true powerlevel before TI6
Can BTS die already?
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>>148309112
you learn how to micro and properly set up your group hotkeys to stack multiple camps at the same time (or learn basic agro timings with shift-queuing)
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>>148309112
2,2,1 or 2,3
A-clicks everywhere
TABWTABWTABWTABWTABW
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>>148309037
If you're playing Clinkz then go for Treads Soul Ring into Deso + Solar Crest (get Aquila too if you're getting multiple kills in lane)

Every time.

More damage than Orchid.
Almost as much mana sustain as Orchid.
More pushing power than Orchid.

If you want to complete the Bloodthorn quest then just go for the Deso into Solar Crest, grab that Aegis, save for your Bloodthorn and buy it then farm up a BKB and Skadi immediately after.
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>>148309181
>I complained about BTS two years ago.
>Everyone told me to shut the fuck up.
>This is the future that you chose.
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>played 2 games today
>LC nominated for banning in both of them, banned once
>singlehandedly threw the game where she was picked

Wasn't even a jungle LC
This month is going to be hell
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>>148309209
oh cmon mate even pros don't do that they just queue up poofs and vacuum some lane
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>>148299428
literally who doesn't play jugg
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>>148308191

dear jeezuz!

>>148308304
Don't you start!
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>>148308839
>$121

topkek. it's like he really gave him everything that he's got at that time.
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>>148309368
you asked how to do it, someone who had a 70% winrate on meepo before he even had his ultimate at lv 3 just gave you the best advice to get 700 gpm every game win or lose
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>>148309264
Thank you.

This Orchird meme is fucking cancer, the deso build was starting to become popular before Valve forced their shitty brand new item with the same fucking downsides as Orchid except that it has double the price.

>Still countered by manta, bkb, blademail, linken's, blink dagger, force staff, Eul's, Shadowblade, ghost scepter and any hero that can survive the initial burst damage which is everyone but the squishiest heroes who would die even faster with a Deso.

Fuck you Valve, fuck you and your shit forced meta.
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>>148309181
>>will be one of the worst tournament in dota history
consider the following: beesa is attending
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>>148309617
Christ, it's worse than I though
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>>148309617
I hope he beats someone "big", preferably Na'Vi
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>>148309632
>disliking beesa
how

>>148309694
i'd like to kill the navi hype train before ti6. the team i'd really like to see fdl beat is dc, though.
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this bananaslamjamma guy is pretty good at dota 2 guys
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>>148309737
DC too, fuck them hard
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>>148309264
Ye I was Clinkz. I did got soul rin & aquila's early on, sold them both eventually to make room/finish for aegis/other items.

Not sure if keeping them would've changed the outcome.

Solar crest, maybe.
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>>148309424
Added, have to wait a day to gift it to you because of restrictions (and trading/market/gifting is borked right now anyways)
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Kill all Medusa players who build Linkens or Manta.
If you buy these items on her you deserve to be shot.
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>>148308914

Any carry that gets the ability to fuck some shit up right with their ult and that need to get ganks going to farm.

Clinkz, LC, Gyro, DK, Bloodseeker and Weaver. I think that's all.

Most carries don't have too much of a power spike at 6 because they wanna be farming anyways.
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>tfw I lost a game I got a 17 minute radiance on naga
why live?
>>
What is the usual skill and item build of Brewmaster?
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>>148309870
What's wrong with manta dusa? Carried a team of dumbasses thanks to it.
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A while back you could make it so you only had to press A to issue an attack move command, what function was that? it was really useful on illusion heroes
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>>148309981
blink, vlads, agh's, AC
optional, blademail, radiance, refresher
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>>148309810

last time i saw him he was tilting hard and making all sort of questionable plays.
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>>148307125
The rest will be revealed with SFM animation and if you are a good goy you can view it in VR
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>>148309981
The only reason you would ever build manta is if the enemy team is silence-intensive, Medusa is really dependant on her items so her ilusions are pretty weak and deal no damage.
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>>148309981
https://youtu.be/ynT3RcmGOLE?t=10m15s
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>>148290347
i don't even read tf2 comics and i already assume they're better than doturd2 comics
remember that foreseers contract, the new neighbors (auroth comic) and that nameless zeus/arc warden comic are the same thing
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>>148310379
tf2 comics are good with the exception of the latest one
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>>148310262
I remember that video where an ally SD spams Disruption on Medusa which ends the game within 30 minutes. You really don't need manta.
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>>148309863
no worries, I'm flipping out! thanks man!
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>>148309981
_thanks_ to it or _despite_ it?
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Daily Reminder
YOU (You) will never be Nessa the shota squire, Tresdin's personal "helper"
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>>148310262
Medusa buys manta not for 2 more illusions in teamfight.

Manta has good stats and movement speed, and thanks to split shot, you can easily clear a wave, sometimes 2 if lucky with 2 illusions from manta, which boost her farm by a lot.
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>>148295004
>It felt so good to be good
but 6.83 rewarded for playing badly and feeding in the laning phase
????

IF YOU'RE AHEAD, YOU'RE BEHIND
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Dotards draw what you think Pit Lord will look like
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>>148310786
You build Manta to farm? Good luck having those illusions do damage and you having no damage items.
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>>148310786
If I ever ecounter you in my games I pry to god you are on the enemy team and you pick Medusa.
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>>148310353
>Mask of madness dusa
but why
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>>148310776
LITERALLY
A SHOTA
FURRY

N8BOYS WW@
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>tfw learning how to carry after supporting for years

it has to get worse before it gets better right?
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You guys have any nice comebacks recently? We were down 2 rax from like 30 minutes, ogre kept feeding himself and the chicken, while bristle fed wards for a quest.

After they threw a few team fights the ogre and bristle suddenly decide they need to play the game., and it snowballed from there with a ton of lucky team fights and legion killing herself to my blademail multiple times

Why the fuck do people do that?
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>>148113730
>he loses to "I downgrade my 117 mana/s item to a 12 mana/s item" stinkers
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>>148311039
Right here

http://steamcommunity.com/id/TinkeringTurian/
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>>148311004
He literally explains why.
>activate MoM
>mana shield mitigates extra damage taken
>proceed to fight with attack speed/move speed/lifesteal
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>>148311081
Just watch some pro's stream playing carry before actually play. Seeing them tanking the pressure in a shitty lane really helps a lot.
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We could've had an Alpha Tresdin that hates different colored "humans"
Instead we got a black dyke.
dotards?
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>>147724429
>m-muh soul
mind IS software
_perfect_ copy IS an original
think about a meme you have saved on your mac
which is an original instance of this image and which are "merely" copies if they're all indisguishable? the one on the authors disk? the one uploaded to 9gag? your copy maybe? or maybe the one that existed on his RAM memory when the author made it and doesn't exist anymore?
>b-but im not like an image or any other collection of data, im an unique special snowflake
lm@o
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>Medua deals 80% damage to six targets

Why does nobody build lifesteal on her for 480% of its effects FOR FREE?
>>
>>148311102
Serious question. Is Aether a viable item for Ogre magi?
>>
>>148311285
>>148311153
is replying to archives a new meme?
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>>148311348
Why wouldn't it be?
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>>148311343
On hit effects only apply to the primary target

>>148311348
Yeah it lets you git fogged from even further away
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>>148311275
Then people would play LC and they didn't want that
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>>148311275
>Literally prettier CK/Chen.
>Wraith King when he was alive (AKA: prettier WK).
>Prettier Sven with a horse.

Accept it, you're a faggot.
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>>148311285
It's a bit of a strange concept. Your individual consciousness (for comparison, the very first copy of the meme, when it's OC on the creator's computer) would cease to exist, but your clone would be completely indistinguishable to the rest of the world. You would stop "living" in a sense, but there would be no way to record this because your clone would be exactly like you (like a copied file).
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>>148311518
She's 6th most played though
>>
This right here.

This is the epitome of the MOBA fascination among you autistic people. You consider yourselves these tormented rejects, shunned by the beautiful people, but you have some semblance of inner beauty, and want nothing but the worst kind of revenge.

Not death, that would be too simple. You want the beautiful people to suffer worse than your own imagined pain and suffering. You people don't even know what suffering is. MAYBE one or two of you got beaten as kids but if this is the result, you didn't get hit enough.

None of you are the tragic hero of anyone's story, not even your own.
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>>148311583

But her being a girl makes more people play her because people are horny fags.
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>>148311579
>Your individual consciousness
Read: muh soul
>You would stop "living" in a sense
No, I would live in a clone. We would be all the same, we're all "I", because "I" does not exist.
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>>148311793
except she's like third ugliest girl
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How do you know when the right time to smoke as a support is?

I often can't decide between pulling and harassing the offlane but then mid gets fucked and people cry for ganks and I don't know when to do either.
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How long are they gonna keep nerfing Earth Spirit for? Haven't they already gone too far?
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Can somebody do a side by side comparison of that Skywrath set and the new LC immortal + arcana
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>>148311830
Oh right, I forgot.

How do you know you weren't created this morning with implanted memories?
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>Jungle phoenix
how does he do it
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>>148311275
b-but then i couldn't have my black waifu :^)
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On a cellular level there is not a single part of your brain that existed when you were 3 years old that still exists today
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>>148291498
>Blink Dagger
>Not Shadow Blade hunting in the jungle

WEW LAD
>>
>queue for the first ranked game of the day
>guy in my team has played a shitton of custom games
>7 games of ranked
>6 of them lost
>dodge and wait 5 minutes

Uhh dotards?
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>>148311003
>>148310935

Good lord, it clears fucking waves, you don't want to do it yourself in late game, having illusions clear wave is much safer and actually put a lot more pressure on the map, not just farm.

you fuckface have never actually tried many builds on medusa to actually understand when and why should you buy some items.

Medusa is slow as fuck, you want damage items? Good luck in chasing them, also finding farm, and pushing lanes.

Almost every pro players buy manta on medusa after LINKEN, sometimes they try a different build and quickly realize how shitty it is compared to the linken manta.
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>>148311857

Doesn't really matter since all Dota girls, except Broodmother, are physically attractive.
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>>148295476
Besides your parents being related, none.
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>Jungle Void
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>>148312057
I can tell you're sub 3k from your post
>Almost every pro players buy manta on medusa after LINKEN
So what makes it good exactly?
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>>148311715
This right here.

This is the epitome of the MOBA fascination among you autistic people. You consider yourselves these tormented rejects, shunned by the beautiful people, but you have some semblance of inner beauty, and want nothing but the worst kind of revenge.

Not death, that would be too simple. You want the beautiful people to suffer worse than your own imagined pain and suffering. You people don't even know what suffering is. MAYBE one or two of you got beaten as kids but if this is the result, you didn't get hit enough.

None of you are the tragic hero of anyone's story, not even your own.
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>>148311871
-When you're ganking during laning stage and you don't feel like being spotted by wards and wasting your time because they backed under their tower
-When you're sneaking a rosh or trying to backdoor
-When you're solo warding against deadly invis heroes
-When everyone is sort of in the same area, lanes aren't pushing in and you're bored
-When you know the enemy carry is farming alone and unprotected and you have enough people there to shrek him
-When you're limping away from a teamfight at 100 hp and enemy zeus suddenly buys back
-When you're getting stomped and you want to hasten the end so you can find a new game
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OUR BOY IS STREAMING IN CHINK TWITCH AS NAGA
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>>148312139
hahaha you must be retarded to unironically believe that
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>>148312087
Dotards will actually defend this
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where could i find this trade channel that you guys are talking about? I'm so fucking done with this axe quest that I'm about to cry. bls helb
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>>148311910
At this point she looks more like Phoenix than SWM
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>>148312212
Nah I'm just not a republicuck.
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>>148312215
>whale
every time
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Anyone else play Dota 2 using the 3rd person action camera? I can't go back to the default camera now because being up close to where all the action is make it pretty damn immersive now, however ridiculous it may sound. Never new you could look around while holding left-click. Feels like I'm right there with the heroes.

I know it's not the most effective way to play, but last time I checked, video games were made to be fun. And actually getting immersed in a game that wasn't meant to be completely immersive is pretty damn impressive, and I'm having a lot of fun with it, so screw it, I'll keep playing like this. Characters are so life-like up close and they look even better with the cool lighting and effects you'd normally take for granted when you're zoomed out bird's eye view like normal.

And hey, if Valve didn't want people playing like this during online matches maybe they shouldn't have made this camera angle available.
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>>148312289
neither am I my dude
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>>148312376
what
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>>148312165
I'm 5k2 in SEA, and i'm pretty sure it is much better than 6k on EU or NA server.

If you want to know what makes manta good on medusa, you need to watch a full Medusa game of a tier 1 against another tier 1 team, and having me sitting right next to you explaining shit.
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6.89:
- The following heroes now deal magical damage type with their regular attacks (also known as "rightclicks" or "autoattacks"):
- Abaddon, Ancient Apparition. Arc Warden, Bane, Batrider, Chen, Clinkz, Crystal Maiden, Dark Seer, Dazzle, Death Prophet, Earth Spirit, Ember Spirit, Enigma, Io, Keeper of the Light, Leshrac, Lina, Lion, Morphling, Necrophos, Outworld Devourer, Phoenix, Puck, Pugna, Rubick, Skywrath Mage, Spectre, Spirit Breaker, Storm Spirit, Techies, Templar Assassin, Underlord (not ported as of 6.89, our new hero release of the patch is revealing Axe to actually be Niyish, the Bodysnatcher, foreshadowed by the Last Castle comic [hero abilities unchanged]), Undying, Venomancer, Warlock, Winter Wyvern, Zeus
- Invoker's regular attacks now deal Pure damage

Heroes with magic damage dealing regular attacks can target and damage enemies under the effect of Ethereal state (such as Ghost Form from Ghost Scepter) and attack others while being Ethereal themselves. Magic attacks ignore armor types/ratings, however, magical attacks, just like spell damage, have their damage reduced by Magic Resistance values and heroes posessing such attacks are outright forbidden from targeting Magic Immune enemies.


- Desolator:
- New effect: Equipping it causes regular attacks which deal magic damage to be converted into physical damage type, with all the advantages and drawbacks as regular physical autoattacks.
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>>148312215
>>148312087
Winter Wyvern is extremely popular among the fanbase...oddly enough she's popular with the male audience but the female players don't seem to give a fuck about them.

Let's be honest here, if DotA and video games in general are full of "pretty" woman is not because of the males (at least not anymore), is because females are even more delusional than males and try really hard to make themselves believe they are the character.
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>>148312154
whats the issue

offlaner void is pretty good
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>>148312494
Literally why. Physical damage is the shittiest type and the only reason it exists is so rightclickers can't run over everything from minute 0 without items.
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>>148312497
>Winter Wyvern is extremely popular among the fanbase...oddly enough she's popular with the male audience but the female players don't seem to give a fuck about them.
source?
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>>148311904
Needs a team liquid logo somewhere
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>>148310920
here
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>>148313112
https://e621.net/post/index/1/auroth_the_winter_wyvern%20order:score
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>>148312053
>On a pretty good streak of good teams, cooperative players and even made some friends, having a pretty great time.


>get a match with a PL and LD who've never played their heroes before
>LD spent 30 minutes in the jungle getting 2 pairs of boots and vlads
>PL buys 25 minute drums
>game goes 70 minutes
>the most infuriating, miserable 70 minutes of my life
>we almost win through what i can only assume was my pure anger altering the code of the game but instead of just all inning the ancient LD and PL retreat after taking T4's and their ancient survives with 120 HP will PL and LD run back to the jungle to farm
>lose

>next game
>1st pick slark
>here we go
>slark goes mid, bets 500 coins
>smurf detector going off very loudly at this point
>tell our zeus to be careful, don't get caught out
>dies in under 2 minutes
>sniper rage quits immediately
>ok, supports need to both rotate onto mid right now and shut slark down or the game is over
>noone does anything
>zues dies 5 times in 6 minutes
>their nightstalker playing super aggresive, but he can't get me so he swaps lanes
>NS just running amok in every other lane
>zues swaps with the pugna who's getting his shit pushed in by NS
>they both continue to die within seconds of TP'ing in their new lanes
>zues starts walking down the offlane over and over
>lion trying but literally cannot understand how slarks purge works, stacks his own CC, has it purged then dies about 9 times in a row
>sniper comes back 1 minute before the abandon and cries in all chat until our ancient falls at 22 minutes.
>check slarks profile
>he has ~500 games and a sub 50% winrate, but he's won the last 8 games, all on slark


I just had to vent that.

Also, does anyone have the ember spirit ohaiyo?
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>>148313259
seemslegit.ru
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>>148311904
>How long are they gonna keep nerfing Earth Spirit for? Haven't they already gone too far?

When Remnants get an "arming time" of X seconds (like 0.3 seconds) where a newly placed stone can't be used by abilities for X seconds.

Until that happens, he will keep being nerfed.
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>>148313112
Holy shit is this your first day here?
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>>148313265
thanks for the blog, shitter

I'll make sure to read it anytime never
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>>148311904
Reminder that most of the problems with hero balance can be solved by giving their abilities a real castpoint.
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>>148312087
nah lc is fugly

niggas play her because she has more testosterone than a high school football meathead

and shes fuckign awesome
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Dotards, IceFridge here. Hope you're liking the new patch. Can you help me come up with an aghanim's scepter upgrade for Sniper?
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>>148313398
>nah LC is fugly
DELETE THIS
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>>148313489
Gives flying vision and 1.5x attack range
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>>148313489
Unlimited range
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>>148313489
Shrapnel is applied to the entire map when cast. Assassinate and attack range are global while Shrapnel is active, additional, headshot proc chance is increased to 100% on targets affected by Shrapnel.

HO HO HA HA
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>>148313489
Shrapnel becomes global, ultimate +1000 range.
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Ahri The Pure Slut
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>>148313525
literally a tumblr bulldyke
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>>148313489
unlocks special sniper-only items in the shop with special bullets that do somethings i dunno whatever, they're limited and consumed on every autoattack
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>>148313489
must be something turning him into a nuker like Mirana or Luna. Applying a Shrapnel around the target after a successful Assassinate maybe?
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>>148313265
yeah not reading that blog faggot
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>>148313489
Removes channeling on Assassinate, halves its mana cost and damage and turns it into an orb attack
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>>148313848
>instant assassinate crit
bredy fuggin good
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>>148313763
Also reduce Assassinate a bit so he can spam it in teamfight, the Shrapnel from Assassinate can stack dam and slow with the original Shrapnel.
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>>148313489
+500 attack range.
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>>148313489
siege mode: toggleable, sniper cannot move while in this state. allows sniper to use his ultimate from any distance so long as their is vision over the target. The cool down is lowered to six seconds, and applies 5 armor reduction
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>>148299764
comic even had her mentioned being humbled a bit after surviving being beaten to death.
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haha, time to meme it up with jungle lc for rest of the week for quests
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>>148313698
>scared white republicuck afraid of colored people
more news at 11
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>>148314316
tumblr bulldykes are usually in the white spectrum of colors my friend
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fukcing TRESDIN EVERYGAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>148313489

Sub ability: Spotter
Sniper chooses an allied hero or unit as his spotter. Sniper can attack or use abilities as if he was located at the spotter's location. Abilities have reduced cooldown when used near the spotter but also deal reduced damage

Reduced Cooldown:-15%/-30%/-45%
Reduced Damage: -40%/-30%/-20%
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Umm... Dotards??
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>>148314384
Pick Bane, and hide in the back lines
Cuck her ult every time with three (3) different spells
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>>148314384
>Pick Meepo
>Win
>Pick Kunkka
>Win
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>>148314384
JUST FIRST PICK HER
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Reminder to bet against EG and Secret at TI for many bugattis.
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Dotards why do you not have a SINGLE (1) female dog hero?
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dotards???
explicolo?
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HAO DOES HE DO IT
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>>148314397
what rank famalam?
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>>148314617
>>
http://www.panda.tv/act/secret2016.html
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is upgrading quelling into iron talon worth it on naga

also what build in what situation after rad manta octarine
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I like this game
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>>148315383
this is a /d2gay/ thread
talk about dota 2, not other games
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>>148315014
trash tier trench bronzie 5k__
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3 lancers on TB, what do you think?
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PA is so fucking shit, she's like "Pray for crits" type of hero unlike WK who doesn't even need his crits to fuck people up.
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Kpi what a player
straya cunts
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>your legion goes jungle without iron talon
>your legion maxes PtA instead of putting a value point in it
>your legion rushes shadowblade and not blink
>your legion freefarms for first 15 mins without getting a midas
>your legion maxes OO last/skips it for stats

4-1-2-1 is THE skillbuild even in jungle, if lanes are doing rather well you can even get a midas first, followed by a 12 minute blink, if lanes are struggling rush blink and maybe even smoke gank before blink
have a tp, you can turn around early dives with PtA on dying ally and OO
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>>148315592
> midas on LC

wtf man?
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what if you could post in /d2g/ only after reaching 5k mmr
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>>148313489
Changes cast range of sniper's items into same range with assasinate.
Damage : 500/700/900

or

Take Aim
-Now passively gives sniper damage equal to 40% of his current range.

or

Assasinate
-Sniper 360 scopes everyone around him every 8 seconds.
-Instantly kills mortals.
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>>148315913

>Australia ceases to exist forever

Is that the good timeline?
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>>148315993
>channel EB
>assasinate
>dagon

le epik mlg video montage tier
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New Gyro Agh :

-Gyro leeches damage everytime his attacks hit.

Rocket Barrage : +5
Homing missile : +20
Flak Cannon : +10
Call down : +10 (creeps) +20 heroes
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>>148315721
yeah its VERY situational but sometimes you can afford to slow blink timing by ~4 mins
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can we stop using the word "situational" i.e. "i'm pulling stuff out of my ass"
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>Eul's someone
>Icepath their feet
>they can still BKB before the stun even if the Ice Path finishes
Icefraud, what the fuck?
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>TA counters AM according to dotabuff

Is it more to do with how TA can push very fast compared to AM farming? I dont foresee TA being able to kill AM before he blinks unless you and your disabler both have blink daggers
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>>148316635
Ta is pure physical and early/mid am just melts to her meld burts damage, along the fact that deso is so cheap now its not even funny and the fact that bligh stone exists
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How to make Techies viable:
>Can no longer level stats
>All abilities can be leveled 7 times (except for ult, which is leveled 4 times)
>Aghanim's Scepter no longer increases damage for Remote Mines
>Aghanim's Scepter now changes Remote Mine damage type to Pure
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Why is arteezy playing in 4k average game.
>>
>the shitposter literally so lazy that he posts shitposts from reddit is on

Good night, d2g.
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Play Dota 2 without mastubating
>Lose
Masturbate before playing dota
>Headache along with ultimate brain processing speed and no traces of woman will glimpse throughout my mind
>Could be win or lose yet I am still confident that I did well.

Dotards?
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>>148316635
TA can easily AM kill with a help of some disabler in almost every stage of the game.

In fact except for Meepo and SD, the rest of AM counters are heavily right-clickers ( IO and Brood are there coz their winrate are so shit that play against AM makes them less shittier)
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>>148316943
doesn't even get (you)'s don't understand desu
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John Connor... it is time.
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>going to sleep
>no snake or fish waifu
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How do I play CM?
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Does anyone have any stats about compendium level distribution ? I'm pretty sure most of the compendium owners are far far below level 225. Is this just another trick to make people spend money and get to level 225 ?
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>>148315913
literally nobody would be here then except for the semi pros
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>>148317163
jungle with frostbite and level your aura so people can't flame you for doing nothing
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>>148317202
90% of compendium owners are above level 341
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>>148317224
dude 5k is easy as fuck to get
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fucking dumb chink website that won't load
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>>148317246
Where did you get that information ?
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>>148317306
t. 2k shitter
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>>148317387
I made it up

>>148317418
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>>148317507
im totally 1mmr too dude
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>>148317507
>gaining 1 mmr per 1 game

wew lad
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>>148311102
This was a 5 stack. SS is new and fed really hard at mid and abandoned. I was TB jungle. Defended highground from minute 20. Alchemist's one use that game was buying our Luna Aghs, so it was basically up to me and Luna to get divines, defend mega creeps, and win the fights. Pretty exciting game, didn't expect to win it.
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>>148317601
?

>>148317604
i'll be 10k mmr in 5k games, literally living the dream
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>>148317658
>forgot pic
how do i always do this baka
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>>148309617
Beesa is quite a respectable guy. Take it from somebody who knows him.
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>>148317601
>SE Asia
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>>148317745
>>148317658
>>148311102
Also this one, playing AM. Defended from megas until LC got cocky and bought a divine, throwing the game. It was a really good game, and everyone in our stack played really well, making big plays and such, which is something rare from auts like us.
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>>148317837
Hi, Ritsu!
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>>148289508
>pudge, a brit, is a smelly obese constantly looking for things to eat
>lifestealer, a career criminal, is released early, and continues to commit theft and murder, often simultaneously
>necrophos, a sadistic AIDS victim, willingly continues to spread disease and no one wants to be in proximity to him once they know he's there
Is DOTA an allegory for modern society?
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>>148310776
dude, wtf is it with valve and fragile, young boys serving the heroes
>>
>go to sleep for 7 hours during NA prime time
>the same thread is still active
>the speedrunning general moved faster then /d2g/

games dead
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>>148312215
>You will never be this face blind
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>>148309737
How can one dislike Beesa?
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Sitting at 1500 MMR, how do I raise my mmr when I get matched with peruvian feeders every match? I will go 3-0 in my lane and ill look at the scoreboard ten min in and they will have died 8 times and blame me for not ganking as an offlane or a hard carry
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>>148318228
I think the fastest way to gain mmr would be to learn how to breath without needing to remind yourself every few seconds

if you manage to breathing come naturally your brain will have more time to think about the game and you'll naturally climb to 3k mmr
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>>148318228
>>
>>148317924

>not having your own young, fragile boy to do your bidding

Why? Get a young, fragile girl too for a matched set.
>>
>>148318404
>if you manage to breathing come naturally your brain will have more time to think about the game and you'll naturally climb to 3k mmr
if you manage to breath naturally*

time for me to go to sleep
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>>148318228
By focusing on your own performance because you can't force your teammates to play as you'd like
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WHOS
THAT
POKEMON
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>>148318541

If it is kunkka or necrophos you MUST kill yourself.
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>>148318541
>filename
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>>148318541
>Blinkless Axe.
That's just a misleading title, right? You're not actually that stupid, right?
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>>148318541
If this is a strength hero, you're reported
Riki
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>>148318228
If you can't abuse the enemy feeders harder than their good players abuse yours then you are in the bracket that you belong.
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>>148318604
>>148318606
>being this new

>>148318581
>>148318613
guess ur gonna have to kill me
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>>148317891
Huh?
>>
viable
reported
>>
@148318707
hood AND pipe
for what purpose
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>>148318228


Partly this
>>148318662
Identify their shittest player and farm them, identify their saltiest player and bully them. Use your shittest player as bait.
And partly this
>>148318536
You can't really force your team to play how you want, but you can try. Being a leader will either let you win the game if they listen, or it will cause your team to spasm out and sperg at you.

You really need to play heroes that can either snowball, solopush or 1v9.
Ember is one of my favorites. Slark is good, LC can be good if you can identify that shitter to farm. NP can work. Hard carries will work, but only if you can farm up before your tam totally shits the bed.

t. ex sub 1k player who just hit 2k
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what if there was a surrender option?
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>>148319490
yeah there is
you abandon at any time, and even get to play with other similar minded people who like to use the surrender option too!
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>Take Arc mid, put it on mini map before game
>Dude picks Alch
>"Arc mid?" You're joking"
>Takes my lane, doesn't speak english well
>Fucked up my early game
>Win game anyway
>Do better than mid
>He actually apologizes

What a feel
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>>148319639
t. reddit
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>>148319639
wow what an original response!

Certainly not one i've seen for 4.5 years!
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>>148319640
Happens everytime you try and play a hero in a different/non-standard role.
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>>148319694
Then why do you keep asking the same question?
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zeus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDuWCWMs2-Y
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>>148319681
yeah i've been to reddit exactly once, and that was for runescape back in 2012
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>>148319898
it's a legitimate question that hasn't been answered satisfactorily
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>>148319935
It has been answered satisfactorily
Not now, but over the course of the 4.5 years it's been needlessly asked
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>>148319640
arc warden aghs gives him 3rd clone? to OP?
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>>148319935
It has though?
There's even a valve response to that question.
Go fuck yourself.
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>>148320004
I honestly wonder what they're going to do with him, the way I play him I go 20 and 5 most games, but nobody plays him and he has the 2nd lowest win rate.

Aghs would be too OP, 3 stacks of flux would be murderous.
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>>148320093
he's gaining popularity in very high mmr (6k+) games as both a support and core
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>>148320093
yeah second lowest winrate overall, but he has one of the best winrates in the highest levels of play
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>>148318228
be like me
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>>148319935

The satisfactory answer for 4.5 years is that there is a surrender queue.
>>
>/d2g/ - 1k general
>>
>veno, sniper, kunkka, treant

China literally outmemeing all roundeyes right now.
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>have 2,2k games with 54% winrate, around 170 more wins than losses
>this means i would have gained around 4500 mmr in ranked with those games
>yet im still stuck in "high skill"
>meanwhile i've seen some smurfs with two dozen games, 30% winrate who play exclusively in "very high skill"

ummm dotards? how does this shit work?
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>>148318228 here
Just played a game as spectre where I was supported by a dazzle who pushed lane didnt speak English and flat out fed the spirit breaker to the point where he had 8 kills in ten min. I honestly don't know what the actual fuck I am supposed to do about this shit.
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>>148320505
youre surprised?
anyone who says theyre above 3k here is almost always a liar or an account buyer
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Where can I read all of the dota 2 lore?
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>>148320554

I dont think spectre is good to play by yourself. You have to be on top of your farming and still struggle to try to turn the game around anyway before 25 minutes.

At that level of play, and likely low maintenance enough, is something like Sven, CK, or Luna.
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>>148320554
If you're having trouble playing hard carries like spec play something that can fight early and often yet still carry the game.
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how do you win with drow ranger?
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>LC is basically the leader of a band of glorified bandits
Bravo Valve
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>>148320554

I posted this >>148319037

>Hard carries will work, but only if you can farm up before your tam totally shits the bed.

You always roll the dice playing the likes of 'dusa, Spec and AM. They're just hot garbage in the early game, your real plan is just hoping the enemy doesn't take advantage of your shit team for long enough for you to come online.

One of the reasons I like ember is you can really punish people in the early laning phase with that FREE RADIANCE when they over extend and with chains you can lock down a kill pretty easy. PA is good at shitter brackets as you can just harass the fuck outta the enemy laner and make it hard for him to be aggressive.

Another idea is to play a hero that can punishes aggressive plays, like slark, slardar etc.
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>>148320162
arc has been broken since he was released and has never been anything but overpowered in any patch. Getting one op strat nerfed didn't remove the other ones and he's still got broken midas, broken dagon, broken diffusal, broken everything

maybe his late/midgame being so OP wouldn't be that big if he was weak early game like spectre or whatever, but instead icefrog made it so that at level 9 he can slow you to 100 ms for 10+ seconds while dealing 2000+ magic damage. His only weakness is 5 manning at 8 minutes or whatever
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>>148320984

No shadowblade. Push tier 3s with Mask of Madness timing by 20 minutes.
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>>148320984
>Drow into that lineup
yeah that was never going to work.
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>>148320505
Actually im 2k
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>>148318707
>str champs
>not tanks
off urself
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>>148320984
no point at all building survivability or escapes or whatever else
drow's only job is to kill towers when nobody is opposing her
you could justify bkb so the enemy support is helpless to stop you from suiciding into a tower
manta is pretty shit for tower dps now so eschew that

mask of madness, desolator, travels, bkb, moon shard
shadow blade only if opponents are retarded

dragon lance is useless for zerging rax
manta is mediocre, worse than deso
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>>148320984
>manta
don't do that
>50+ minutes
don't do that

Max aura, spam it on cooldown. Anytime you get a chance run upto a tower with MoM and melt it then run away.

You want to be looking at high ground within 25 minutes.
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how are you supposed to deal with teammates who just feed early game? I just played with an invoker who went 0-10 in 15 minutes and blamed everyone but himself. he lost 1v1 to tiny and died 3 times 1v1, then got shit on by rotations (ie he would run up their river and lion would emerge from the trees and cc him). it feels like i'm being punished for other players making mistakes. i was telling him on mic to play defensively go to the jungle if need be but he just kept on spamming 'FUCK U ENGLISH PIG' in allchat. i was hoping these kind of players didn't exist at 4K but it seems like i was horribly wrong
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>DK is the only hero that has never been good
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>>148321369

You typed "DK" instead of "Tinker"

His PEAK had his winrate sub 45%
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>>148321369
that's not true tho he was picked fairly consistently for multiple patches
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>>148319639
Why are Anti-Abandoning Autists so widespread in Dota? When TF2 team tried to put anti-abandon mechanics in their last update, the backlash was so severe Valve retracted them after 1 day.
Like, I don't get it, do you get a kick when seeing epic 4 digit numbers in red? Early ends have their place, there's no need to remove them with memeback mechanics to force 50 minute matches every single fucking game.
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>>148321413
>winrate indicates how good a hero is
6.79 earth spirit had 30% winrate on dotabuff
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>>148321562
>Why are Anti-Abandoning Autists so widespread in Dota?

What do you mean? You can literally leave a game at ANY time. This has been true for years, "memeback" or not.

You get put in a queue eventually with fellow abandon/concedebros. How is any of that not win-win?
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that ember is balling out of control
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>dota has the second highest viewers on twitch right now
what went wrong?
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>>148321656
b-b-b-but when you go shitty ass memeback bait items like dagon eblade, blink in and die like 2+2 equals for, you lose!
shit fighter -.-
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>>148321562
abandoning is ok, heck i even have 50+ abandons myself
crying for surrender option is retarded, you can abandon whenever you think the game is over

surrender option would even require your team to agree with you, but now the power to give up is all in your own hands
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>wake up
>no patch
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>>148321562
Is dota a casual drop in drop out lobby shooter like TF2?
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>>148321658
>epic passive-aggressiveness with reddit spacing to boot
Why doesn't TF2 have any problems with abandons then?
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>>148321771
I like watching tinkers explode when they get in range to dagon someone
they make funny popping sounds and you can feel their frustration
like farm for 30 minutes and never seen enemy team and then spend less than half a second in enemy teams vision before you get blown the fuck out by chain stuns
pic unrelated
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>>148321850
Because anybody can join at any time and it's a game about just having fun and not about winning?
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>>148321850
see
>>148321827
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>>148321827
No, Dota is a casual dumbed down RTS for people who were too shit for Warcraft ]|[ ladder.
>>148321929
>Because anybody can join at any time
Why can't you in Dota then? Warcraft 3 limitations?
>it's a game about just having fun and not about winning
Like dota, but you autistic spergs took it all way too far.
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I just recently got back into dota 2 the last I played was 10 months ago. I read the balance of power and 6.87 patch notes but not sure what to make of it, What heroes and items are good?
I watched the latest tourney was confused why people played void and kunkka as a support
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>>148322010
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>>148322010
>No, Dota is a casual dumbed down RTS for people who were too shit for Warcraft ]|[ ladder.

there was a time when Clan TDA was the only place to play skilled dota, and the bot was set to autokick anyone without an iconed account as a form of smurf detection, and icons took 25 wins

so 4v4 RT games were absolutely flooded with dota shitters who couldn't micro their way out of a box and turned fors RT into a real shitshow, retards who would literally just build a blademaster and use nothing but it the whole game unironically
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>>148299920
>27 spell invoker will never come back
Hold me anon.
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So hold up

Tresdin is bald?
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>>148322792

>/pol/ dog whistle poster

Where are the hot pockets?
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>>148322792
And what do you plan on doing when I leave you solo in lane and do my own thing while not making you any fat stacks, cuckboi?
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>this hero can kill any 6 slotted carry in the game with a blink and blademail
>this hero can do this every 12 seconds
>this hero is fucking broken

any ideas dotards????
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>>148322885
that would be business as usual.
just try not to die too much before I can come online and rescue your mmr.
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>>148322907
>axe is broken
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>>148322792
me on the left
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>>148322907
I'm actually fucking stumped, who is it?
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>>148323030
REMINDER THAT REAL AXE DIED IN THE COMIC AND HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A BODYSNATCHER NIYISH, WHO COMMANDS HIS BODY AND WE'VE BEEN PLAYING AS THE FAKE SINCE DOTA2 RELEASE THINKING _HE_ WAS AXE

Facts:
>Axe in the comic, while eager for combat, is knowledgeable about things and appreciates reading
>"Axe" in the game is "ooga booga me kill", like some nerd trying to cosplay Rambo, pretends he can't count above 4 (meepo kill lines), shuns books because not axes

>Axe in the comic usually refers to himself in first person, uses third person when discussing with Goodkind how will he be described in the book to differentiate between himself and a character
>"Axe's" ingame lines are ALL in third person with the exception of TWO joke lines, one that references willy wonka factory movie and one "I said good nightstalker" when killing NS

>In comic, Axe only uses third-person when calling out his attacks while shitstomping the guards (well, and once when talking with the dude at the gate). When fighting Zongom, he yells "AXE ATTACKS", right next to the chamber of the "King", so he must have heard it.
Guess what line is used in-game?
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/0/04/Axe_attack_10.mp3

>After battle "Axe" doesn't remember where he has already been and slain his enemies, something you don't just forget when the subject is already brought up and you're thinking about it. He doesn't even know how the books about his adventures are selling.
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>played by cunts
>annoying to play with
>annoying to play against
>extends games more than Naga
>autolose if a bad player picks him
>flagship of smurfs
Even Techies is less annoying than this piece of shit
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>>148323141
Most important clues are in the description of the new immortal item, Mantle of the Cinder Baron
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Mantle_of_the_Cinder_Baron
>The Sorcerer King of Valhessi is but one title among many that the doppelganger Niyish has worn.
Estabilishes that the lizard man isn't the original form of the bodysnatcher, just another body in the line, and as such he wouldn't have any reason to be reliant on it.
>Impersonating the Cinder Baron, the imposter led his forces on a disastrous military campaign, finally gaining an audience with the powerful Valhessian King during their surrender.
Same thing as in the comic. Loser meets up with victor, switches bodies and lives another life.

What reliable source provided Axe with a way to undo the spell? Some random sissy elf writer, while not having time to think things through and about to be choked by a red man-ape.
Our new Axe knew who Goodkind is because old Axe discussed with him how to deal with the baffling obstacle for a lengthy amount of time.
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im excited to see pitlord's final design

i love demons
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>>148323184

Techies is at least better at pushing towers.
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>>148323246
here you go
>>148313230
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>omniknight, necro and cm have had 55%+ winrate almost every patch since release
>supports cant be op
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>>148323363
>tfw over 75% winrate as cm over 30+ matches
top slut m8
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>>148323363
>Easy heroes and heroes with heal have good winrate

Who would have thunk it?????
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What if instead of giving the winner bonus damage, Duel gives the loser a damage penalty?
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>>148323363
Shut the fuck up anon.
Stop trying to get my waifu of free wins nerfed.
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>>148323405
>>148323363

>play against a legit CM mainer
>those fucking clutch ults that do 100k damage

my butt was ravaged
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>>148323423
But why?
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>>148323467
early game beast and if you're good at playing ann frank you can 1v1 with the ult easy
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>>148323536
i guess he wants to make lc more of an anticarry, imagine getting a 7 minute blink and just dumpstering their carry with minus damage. it would be anti-fun but holy shit
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>>148323449
i want to FUCK CM
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>manta arcane tinker

Is this viable lads?
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>>148323417
?Cm
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>>148323657
>carry gets to negative damage
>his attacks start healing enemies
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>>148323657
it would just make her into a one dimensional hero.
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>>148323720
manta used to be part of the build back in the days but honestly you have better items now
arcane isn't great even if people will answer to you with >muh greaves
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What about manta, necro, greaves, crimson guard, hotd tinker?

>goodchen
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>>148323778
Really?

I never saw it built in any inhouse games I've played before
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>>148323849
just shitty gimmicks.
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>>148323770
unlike now where she's a snowballer who is decent at dealing with illusions. the amount of people who go LC jungle in my games and proceed to have so little game impact leads me to believe she could do with some kind of rework etc
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>>148323920
it's like 2012 and prior and was a late late item but even then you wouldn't see it often, people would go sheepstick before it
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>>148323956
>people are bad at hero
>this means this hero should be changed!!!
fuck off
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>>148323956
LC jungle isn't bad
it's just that most people who jungle her suck
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>>148323849
>crimson guard on a tinker

Might as well get a different item
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>>148323943
desu i thought all those items stacked when i thought about it
>tinker amassing 50 necro creeps for the highground push

mane
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>>148323849

There are a lot of shitters that think the "secret" to making tinker work is just doing a different item build.

The problems are much more fundamental than that and cannot be fixed by items.
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>that russian shitposting in bulldog's game
based
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>>148324407
>bulldog
this website is for people over 18
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>>148323720
manta style on tinker is rendered obsolete by introduction of lotus orb and ggboots
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>>148321850
TF2 actually has worse issues because abandoning makes the match not count (even for you)
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>>148324834
valve are faggots this isn't league of toddlers
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STAND THE FUCK BACK. I'M GOING TO FIX TINKER

>Rearm now refreshes spells after 1 second on each level - this means it can be cancelled after 1 second of channeling if you want just spells.
>3/2/1 channel time on each level
>75/125/175 mana cost

>remove current aghanim
>New aghanim: Adds the Overclocking sub ability

>Tinker channels for 4 seconds to overclock all his items and spells
>Overclocked items and spells can be cast in succession without putting them on cooldown
>Overclock resets on rearming or teleportation
>Can overclock up to 1/2/3 additional casts (1 per each channel)
>Overclock is a status buff placed on Tinker, and using a spell or item a second time takes a charge from the buff

This means you don't have 4 casts on each item and spell but like an amount of casts on all your shit
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>>148324194
>The problems are much more fundamental than that and cannot be fixed by items
Not piercing BKB? OD didn't pierce either yet he was cancer.
Escape mechanism? OD had astral into blinking out, Tinker has standing 2,5k range away in the trees spamming nonrevealing rockets

WHEN YOU BLINK IN YOU DIE
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>>148325095
Do you actually think this is "fixing"? What is going on in your head? yeah give 3 instant dagons, that seems like a good ol nice buff.
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>>148325239
Nigga do you thnk Tinker needs to get nerfed?
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>>148325095
>>148325262
tinker players need to kill themselves asap
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>>148325262
lol no, its just that buff is actually retarded
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>>148325321
show me on the doll where the tinker player owned you
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ARC WARDEN NEEDS TO GET NERFED
BEFORE TINKER
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>>148325432
the fuck is this item build?
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>>148325391
>tinker shitters
>owning anything
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>>148325492
I sure owned your mother hard last night :)
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>>148325163

BKB is a minor problem. These are the issues Tinker cannot fix with items:

1. Shitty attack point/animation that thwart any right click builds
2. Systematic removal of good items as valid for rearm.
3. Ultimate is a self-disable that pierces BKB
4. Baseline to function is at least 4.1k gold (Blink + BoT)
5. Power to vacuum farm but not vacuum towers
6. Incredibly level hungry, cannot function except in solo lanes. Needs support since he loses most solo matchups.
7. No damage typically despite needing gorillion gold. Build with dagon/eblade do the damage right clickers do with a few right clicks (and for no mana cost)
8. Blademail is a global "nuke" to use on Tinker if he spams march. Buying BKB or Euls means that you have dedicated 3 items (BoT, blink, BKB/eul) to just NOT DYING. Only one of them gives HP.
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>>148325464
>your_creeps_will_never_pass_the_river.png
>the_inevitable_grinding_of_towers.png
>good_alch.png
>good_naga.png
>good_tb.png
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>>148325570
match id pls i wanna watch it
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>>148325549
what if a new item was added to the game that could be refreshed and was good at pushing towers
something like a new summon on top of necro/manta
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>>148325432
I've played against three arc wardens in 6k average, and they always do super well in early and mid game because his kit excels at killing people without any items early on.

But i've never lost because he doesn't seem to be able to teamfight or defend well against pushes except fielding towers.
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>>148325628
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2501189148
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>>148325549
none of those are valid points except 6 and 8
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>>148325549
>Needs support since he loses most solo matchups.
He absolutely rapes anybody who can't spam down the wave with spells.
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>>148325676
>because his kit excels at killing people without any items early on.
yeah but it gets 10x better with blink dagger
arc with blink is so fucking obnoxious, he can jump on you from literally 3000 range away and drop 2000+ magic damage on your ass at level 9 while right clicking you at 100 ms
meanwhile tiny is off in a corner crying himself to sleep
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>>148325549
almost all of your points are either things that have always been tinker's weak points, or are just not correct.

>Shitty attack point/animation that thwart any right click builds

>right click build

not going to comment...

> Systematic removal of good items as valid for rearm

You mean the new items we keep getting to make him more versatile?

>3. Ultimate is a self-disable that pierces BKB
>4. Baseline to function is at least 4.1k gold (Blink + BoT)
>5. Power to vacuum farm but not vacuum towers

was always like that.

> Incredibly level hungry, cannot function except in solo lanes. Needs support since he loses most solo matchups.

Tinker is a pretty decent solo laner because of laser. tinker safelane is also pretty legit, since he is more hungry for farm than xp.

> No damage typically despite needing gorillion gold. Build with dagon/eblade do the damage right clickers do with a few right clicks (and for no mana cost

Tinker is one of the best bursters in game, even with just dagon 1 or soemthing. not to mention he is a late game beast, with unmatchable lockdown and utility.

>Blademail is a global "nuke" to use on Tinker if he spams march. Buying BKB or Euls means that you have dedicated 3 items (BoT, blink, BKB/eul) to just NOT DYING. Only one of them gives HP.

Always like that. A good tinker player knows how to play around blademail, and you really dont have to get eul/bkb unless someone counters you.

Yes, heroes have weak points. Thats part of the design. Holy fucking shit this is like the basics of how heroes are made - weak points and strength points. NONE of what you said explains why he is currenly weak - all of those things existed beforehand, and he was pretty damn strong at some point, even with those weak points.
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i want icefrog to rework tinker so he's more like arc warden

What I mean by that is that he could itemize in various ways and not require 4k gold to function

Current Tinker is fun enough and viable too, but he's the same thing every match, the only thing that differs is the build, aghs missile spam or dagon nigger zapping.

I wish Tinker to get a set of abilities that don't force him to go soulring travels blink - but that way could still be viable - while not losing the cooldown resetting gimmick.
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>>148325858
>not going to comment...

but its a legitimate concern. Tinker has trash attack animation, has to build items that give nothing at all to his right clicks and spends all of fights stunning himself with rearm

other int heroes with lots of spell damage in teamfights also scale up and get big right clicks as the game goes on. A qop of pain or negrophos or invoker or storm spirit can all get huge right clicks as the game goes on and be carries who can kill towers, kill people through bkb and complement their magic damage with physical right clicks.

tinker has nukes and thats literally it, if the enemy can survive his dagon combo he usually dies before he can rearm, and if he tries to spam aoe in teamfights it just tickles big tanky cores with heart/skadi/heals/bkbs/pipe, and he dies instantly to blademail
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>>148326050
how about
>rearm mana cost from 100/200/300 to 100
>soul ring can no longer be rearmed
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>>148326101
OH NOES some heroes arent built to do physical dps, who woulda thought it.

OK GUYS, time to give zeus some sweet dps, hes "just" a nuker.

Not to mention hes not just a nuker. If you build him every game with dagon, thats your choice. perma hex is the one of the strongest thing that exists in this game.
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>>148325432
>>148325725
>slark has mkb
>huskar going mkb
>tinker/timber give no shits about evasion
>magnetic field already provides 100% evasion
wtf is the point of 2x butterfly
why not get literally any other items
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>>148326165
thats a nerf.....

Has anyone in this thread even seen a pro tinker? honestly you are talking out of your asses
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>>148325739

1, 2 and 3 thwart any effort to bypass needing to use the self disable ult. Or any attempt to use that farm to actually push with right click.

4 is responsible for 6. 5 and 7 is how he loses games with all that farm CONSISTENTLY.

>>148325780
If you mean with march spam then hes an easy gank target and has no damage for most early teamfights. The Q/W max build is better but also level hungry, I think that build has suffered from the collateral damage of mid being a trilane now. Memeback did not help Tinker either and all of those late game problems have always been there.

>>148325858
>almost all of your points are either things that have always been tinker's weak points, or are just not correct.

Right, because Tinker has been this awful since 2008.

>You mean the new items we keep getting to make him more versatile?
Like what? He can't use bloodthorne, he can't use crimson guard, the stupid tear hits his nuking in lane. The only item I can possibly think of is Guardian Greaves when mana has still not ever been tinkers problem except to have to dedicate yet another slot to it. All of these changes in recent years in particular are giving supports blink daggers despite feeding and then Tinker gets solo'd by them.

>Tinker is one of the best bursters in game, even with just dagon 1 or soemthing
That would be most burst supports like Lion or Lina. Outside of that Arc Warden is better because only the cast point of his ultimate gives him the double nuke. Plus he can buy midas to accelerate his farm and has an ability that helps murder towers fairly consistently.

Meepo is better for global splitpush and Nature's Prophet is effectively Tinker that isn't vacuuming farm in a lane to get to that point.

>Always like that. A good tinker player knows how to play around blademail, and you really dont have to get eul/bkb unless someone counters you.

"play around" Its literally buy BKB or Euls, die, or stop using march.

Continued....
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>>148326175
but its a legitimate problem with BOTH tinker and zeus
>Not to mention hes not just a nuker. If you build him every game with dagon, thats your choice. perma hex is the one of the strongest thing that exists in this game.
invoker is a similar hero who can dish out huge aoe damage in teamfights, or solo pick off with burst, or farm all around the map with spirits, or aoe disarm enemy team and stall pushes, or pick off someone fleeing at low hp
but invoker also right clicks better than clinkz and can rape right through a tower or manfight a bkb carry.
and thats why invoker is a better hero than zeus lmao

having no right click in lategame is a huge drawback. It means being unable to capitalize on openings to rax someone or kill through bkb. And those are two things tinker completely fails a
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>>148326323
>lion or lina

>better bursters

oh sorry let me burst my load and then wait for a minute or two. sheer damage isnt everything...
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>>148325432
you should get bloodthorne mate the damage output is insane
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>secure early game for team
>lose late game
>Play late game hero
>Team loses early game

time to go outside
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>>148326323
>awful since 2008

nigga what?
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>>148326479
If only there was a hero who could do everything at every point in time in every game scenario
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>>148326234
>>148326434
heres what memethorn gives to illusions:
>+0 damage
>+0 attack speed

radiance / manta / octarine isn't about picking off enemy heroes or right clicking them down, its about flooding the map with so many illusions they're forced into their base and in a permanent siege
those items are all about "ignore heroes: kill towers"
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>>148322846
Dog whistle?
>>
I know one of you fags will know since 80% of you are weeaboos.

What's the name of the anime with the short female mage with the big stupid red hat/
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>>148326323
continuing

>Yes, heroes have weak points. Thats part of the design. Holy fucking shit this is like the basics of how heroes are made - weak points and strength points.
I have been playing this game for far longer than you. You think you are making a point saying all this. But I already know it. Tinker stands alone in how truly awful he is. There is this ABSOLUTELY persistent belief that Tinker isn't still shit, that it is a matter of just "building the right items unlike what was done in the past" when the fucking vacuuming into not ending the game is the fucking problem. A rubick that steals rearm functions like a Tinker with 6 times his net worth.

>>148326175
Tinker has as his core items:
BoT
Blink
1 mana regen/pool item -greaves, bloodstone (in the past), who gives a shit

He doesn't benefit 1 iota from the +int from items since his attack animation is so fucking shit. At least OD and Silencer turn raw mana pools into both damage AND right clicks.

The thing with Tinker is that it isn't an item build problem. Regardless of the game he is in he MUST be mid. He MUST buy boots of travel. He MUST buy blink. That is the first 15-20 minutes of the game already under lock and key.

He has so many problems that he can't fix them all with the farm he gets and the limited item slots he has. Heroes that have Tinkers net worth at 25 minutes can just END the fucking game with a push.

Tinker keeps chasing after more and more farm while getting outclassed by items with fractions of that net worth

He is the worst fucking hero in the game. And an absolute fucking nightmare on your team.
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>>148326679
boku no pico
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>>148326732

Nigga it's 2016 get out of here with that shit.
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>>148326716
>He is the worst fucking hero in the game. And an absolute fucking nightmare on your team.
i agree with the problems you listed but this is an overstatement

He's not even close to being the worst. He's very viable. but fixing him isn't just a numbers game, like icefrog has been trying for the past several patches

>>148326773
I don't even like anime.

I just watched little witch academia and it makes me really happy
>>
>tfw 2 friends on steam
help
how do i make friends through dota
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>>148326773
>ask for help
>dismiss it
baka desu
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>>148326716
I think you are confusing pub tinkers with pros.
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>>148326865

>Still using the boku no pico meme

Stopped being funny like 3 years ago desu
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>>148326679
Slayers?
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>>148326989

Nah it's modern. Like in the last year.
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>>148326846
stop trying to cyber fuck them
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>>148326880
>I think you are confusing pub tinkers with pros.

Pros routinely abandon that shitheap even after major "buffs". Even during patches when he has been BUGGED to deal double damage. Because he doesn't win games. he doesn't even guarantee a damn thing if the first 20 minutes go extremely well for him.

Dagon is like a metaphor for the general "power ramp" of Tinker.

>>148326826
>He's not even close to being the worst. He's very viable
There is not a single situation or game I have EVER seen at any level of play where a Meepo, Nature's Prophet, and (now) Arc Warden would not have been a better choice.

He is a selfish fuck of a hero that robs your teammate's of any power to influence the game in meaningful ways because it all comes down to whether or not you make a SINGLE mistake.

He's not only bad, he is also antithetical to your own fucking team. Only techies comes close to this garbage, but at least he fucking PUSHES

>but fixing him isn't just a numbers game, like icefrog has been trying for the past
I agree 100%. He needs a partial or complete rework.
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>>148327047
Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku wo!
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>>148327142

Neato. Thanks friend.
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>>148321562
>Dota will never have the option to have shit players leave a match with the posibility of someone better coming in and taking over
I mean it could go the other way too but when you have an omni who buys a bkb instead of using anything other than his Q I feel there's nowhere else to go but up.
Baring that I feel like lack of surrender is great because it punishes bad teams and rewards good teams, while giving good teams the chance to capitalize on dipshit fountain dives.
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>>148321562
theres no place for a surrender option in a game filled with dipshit reactionary idiots and comebacks mechanics piled up for years
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>>148327664

> omni buying bkb

I don't believe you.
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>>148326917
I'll use memes as old as I want senpai
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>>148327906

>Goons

REEEEEEE
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>>148327906
>>148328061

>gifs

Stop stealing my bandwidth you assholes.
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>>148327906
>>148328061
sa pls
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>>148328134
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>>148328061
I too love frogs
frog hero when
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>>148328225
haha i love facebook frog
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>>148327857
My mistake, he didn't finish it after we told him off. Legit though I have a 4k friend who buys them if they buy diffusal against him.
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>>148290451
>This is what mobabby dotards actually believe
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Redpill me on Arc Warden d2g
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>>148329245
>>148329245
>>148329245
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