/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

FIRST FOR DEEP SILVER SAVING MEGATEN

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First for hoy!

>>147617497
Who cares about EU anyways?

Smt4apo when, deep silver?

>>147617863
2018

I wonder if I should cancel my American pre-order and wait for the pal release. I hope they'll give us a release date quickly

>>147618236
Just learn Japanese senpai

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>>147564781
After having played multiple versions, I can say that PS versions are the best, with smooth scrolling and player-friendly UI. The deal with the music is kinda the same as DDS2/KMT2 - the original sounds better, but remixed tracks are also fine. Vanilla version of PS SMT2 was full of bugs, so be sure to get the revised version with golden PRESS ANY BUTTON text at the title screen (the revised version was uploaded here not that long ago). PS version of SMTIf has LOTS of new content and small fixes, including new awesome music in Akira's route.

GBA versions are okay (great UI, new content), but the music quality and scrolling sucks.

iOS versions of SMT1&2 were ported from GBA (featuring Visionary Items), but use PS music, with added extended versions of tracks from SMTIf. iOS version of SMTIf is a port of PS version (with smooth scrolling).

PCE CD version of SMT1 is okay, but the scrolling feels choppy. It also doesn't have that much unique content - only 4 new demons and while some animated cutscenes look great, the others are epilepsy-inducing. The music sounds different, because it's in FM, but it's pretty cool.

Mega CD version of SMT1 is slow as shit (even with Quick Scrolling), but it has lots of unique content, ilncluding: 1. new kickass intro cutscene, 2. new demon spritework based on Kaneko's official artwork (Douman, Yakshini, etc), 3. new demons. The encounter rate is RIDICULOUS, even compared to the original SFC version. The final dungeon has different floors compared to the other versions. The remixed music is hit or miss; most of the tracks made in FM sound great though. There is also an alternate theme playing in the Mansion of Heresy.

There also was SMTif: Hazama's Chapter for mobile phones, which had lots of new content, similar to GBA versions, but good luck with finding it.

tl;dr:

>SMT1
PS -> iOS -> GBA -> SFC -> MCD -> PCE

>SMT2
Bug fix PS -> iOS -> GBA -> SFC -> vanilla PS

>SMTIf
PS/iOS -> Hazama's Chapter (Mobile) -> SFC

>>147617497
>Atlus USA and Sega of America are partnering with Deep Silver to release multiple upcoming titles in Europe.
That's nice.

>>147619717
Is the PSN version of 2 revised or not?

Hoy.

>>147619717
>There also was SMTif: Hazama's Chapter for mobile phones, which had lots of new content, similar to GBA versions, but good luck with finding it.
>PS/iOS -> Hazama's Chapter (Mobile) -> SFC
Have you actually played it? If so, please tell me how.

>>147620540
Revised. Why do some of you guys think they could offer the buggy version? They aren't stupid.

>>147616542

I think your on the wrong general OP

I have no idea where that picture is from.

>>147616542

>>/TMSG/

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>>147624215
>>147624550
It's here to stay.

>>147624624

FUUUUUUCK, leave this board heathen. We don't want you here

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>>147617497

BASED

Anons, will Xenogears somehow help me to satisfy my lust for not-really-generic jRPGs?

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>>147627060
Probably. The story is interesting as fuck and I think if you like SMT, you'll like Xenogears.
You should play it either way, it's a classic.

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.Yoh

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>>147633653
Go home Betatron.

Where the Tips and Tricks says to Focus on STR and VIT with some SPD for Hero, Is 1 SPD for every 2 VIT and 2 STR enough Speed investment? I'm almost to Thor's Hammer and it seems pretty good so far. I'm evenly Spreading Heroine's stats between MAG/VIT/SPD though.

>>147635186
Just go VIT/SPD and forget about STR until mid-late game. STR kind of sucks in SMT I, most of your damage comes from the weapon itself and you're gonna be using guns a lot more anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktlodvp_NZ0

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>>147623541
>Have you actually played it?
Unfortunately no, but judging from the screenshots and info from the Wiki, it's pretty good.

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>Summer 2016
>confirmed to be at the very fucking end of the Summer 2016 calendar
This hurts

>>147638826
Those hacks.

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>>147638826
>physical version for EU

>>147638826
Cool, comes out on my birthday then.

>>147619428
Looks crazy.

>>147635186
I would say it's probably better to focus on raising MAG and INT faster than spreading it evenly for heroine because those stats determine how fast she learns new magic, and her later game spells are really useful. You still want enough SPD for her to stunlock people with Zio and enough VIT for her to not fucking die.

For Hero I just go full Stronk/Speed in every Megami Tensei game and it works. I don't really like VIT as much for him because I find STR already raises your health and Speed raises defense, albeit at a slower rate. INT and LCK aren't useless for him either, they do raise his physical stats a bit and have cool side effects (INT is supposed to help in negotiation, but I don't know how it works; LCK helps with getting items to drop) but it's best to raise them with Incenses.

Oh, and keep in mind that you will have nice stat bonuses from the armor sets you will be wearing, and there are a lot of incenses in this game, so it's kind of a waste to put 40 points a stat.

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>>147616542
I will change this rotten general

>>147627060
I tried Xenogears and couldn't make it ten hours in. Everything about it was offputting and generic, and it wasn't fun to play.

>>147646043
>Everything about it was offputting and generic
Like?

>>147642923

>>147646167
>Game starts with amnesiac protagonist in generic village
>Village gets destroyed
>Meets love interest he remembers somehow
>Meets exile prince and his Friendly Ethical Pirate group

There was just nothing compelling there. If there's anything interesting about the story it waits a long time to reveal it, and the writing at the beginning was too hamfisted for me so I didn't really care.

And again, the game was almost painful to play.

>>147627060
Try The Legend of Dragoon instead. The story is pretty different from generic JRPGs. The battle system is fun/frustrating depending on if you're shit or not (you have to time the X button to your attacks to continue a combo). Inventory management is important. You can only use magic while in dragoon form, so healing items and elemental damage items are actually useful. Great game, wish it got a remake.

>>147646361
>>Village gets destroyed
You forgot to mention that it gets destroyed by the protagonist with him killing his best friends.

>>Meets exile prince and his Friendly Ethical Pirate group
Did you talk with the old man in the cave? That's where the world building starts/gets interesting.

>If there's anything interesting about the story it waits a long time to reveal it
The intro was enough to get me interested. Finding out what happened was pretty great but I admit it takes a while although, if you were paying close attention, you should have already found out that Elly is somehow related to the captain

>And again, the game was almost painful to play.
And again why? Because of the fighting system? It's better than the usual stuff like SJ's.

I mean I can understand if the game just rubs you the wrong way or something but it really isn't generic. And the music is fucking great.

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>>147642923

>>147646361
I actually felt the exact same way about it. I started playing because I had an Evangelion itch (it actually isn't like Eva at all, by the way; it's more like G Gundam if anything), but not only it starts really generic, it also has some seriously boring dialogue to read through (might be the translation's fault) and the combat is nothing special. I think I put about 10 hours in before finally giving up.

The mechs are really awesome, though. They should have made the whole thing about them instead of having so many parts where you are fighting on foot.

I kinda wanna go back and finish it so I can see more mecha and the Judeo-Christian influence it's supposed to have (why didn't they introduce these interesting things earlier in the game? unless they did and I forgot entirely about it), but I also heard the second disk is really rushed, so I don't know if I should do it.

Are Xenosaga / Xenoblade any good? Do you actually use the robots often on them?

>>147647090
>Did you talk with the old man in the cave?
The guy who tells you about the Super Important Robot and then Fei and Bart wonder if Fei's Gear could be the Super Important Robot and they dismiss it and then suddenly the old man starts saying crazy things about Fei's Gear and denies it is the Super Important Robot and refuses to tell them anything else? That's what I meant by hamfisted.

>The intro was enough to get me interested.
Same here. Then it dumped me into a generic village.

>And again why? Because of the fighting system? It's better than the usual stuff like SJ's.
You did not seriously just claim that spamming deathblows is better than Strange Journey's gameplay?

>And the music is fucking great.
Some of it is. Most of it was just annoying to listen to and repetitive.

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>download DeSu2 undub
>Title voice is english, but the game VO is jap

>>147647617
>The guy who tells [...] That's what I meant by hamfisted.
Yeah, that's pretty cliched. But you're confusing things the super important robots they were wondering about are more than one (those have a pretty interesting role in the story). Fei's Gear is just the super super important one.

>Same here. Then it dumped me into a generic village.
Which you leave after, what, five minutes? There's no point in talking with everyone, if you didn't like it.

>You did not seriously[...]?
If you replace gameplay with fighting system, yes, but what I meant is less generic. Strange Journey's figthing system is completely standard and it's only better because of the decent difficulty which Xenogears lacks.

>Most of it[...]
I love almost every track.

>>147647574
>(might be the translation's fault)
I don't know, I have played it in moon. If you mean the slice of life stuff of villagers, then that's not the translator's fault. I really like stuff like that because you learn more about the world not just the big shit but also about completely normal inhabitants trying to make a living.

>why didn't they introduce these interesting things earlier in the game?
Well the intro has already introduced the influence through that God stuff appearing on the screens. With 10 hours you should also have made it to the cave already in which killing God is talked about and I completely forgot that Dajil comes before that, with the church organizing everything mech (don't remember if that gets mentioned before)
I agree that the game takes a little while until shit really hits the fan but that only amplifies the impact in my opinion.

>Are Xenosaga / Xenoblade any good? Do you actually use the robots often on them?
I preferred gears over saga but you might like saga more. Mechs are less important though.
Xenoblade on Wii has no mechs at all. Haven't played it yet. In Xenoblade X on Wii U they seem to be a lot more important but I haven't played that one either.

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Give me 300 macca, ho!

>>147650183
Don't you ever call me or my demons a hoe ever again

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>that op
Cheeky. You leave for a month and Kowashitai is apparently a good RPG from what you hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktlodvp_NZ0
Anyone seen this? Odd how /v/ was informative for once. I may have missed last thread.
Cast trailer or someshit.

>>147650664
>No Laura
>Ashly Burch
>That Flynn voice

It's shit.

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>>147650861
>not liking the Flynn voice

Of course you wouldn't.

>>147650861
Where is burch?

>>147649964
What I said about the translation was mostly about the dialog being kinda bland and boring to read through, and there is lots of it; it is hard to explain. I agree that the world building stuff is pretty cool. I'm probably gonna try to finish it and play Xenosaga to see if I like it, lack of mechs kinda puts me off from playing Xenoblade though.

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So speaking of Apocalypse, did they balance the strength stat or do you still have to go dex for a physical build?

>>147651146
It either sounds like her or the VA for Aigis doing Nozomi. A shame, because it sounds like shit.

>>147652209
Karen something might be her?
Laura Bailey left weeb shit now or something?

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>>147652435
It's hard for me to tell, because I generally shut off my ears when I hear Burch do voice work.

>tfw you aren't Anthony Burch

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>>147650664
We'll deal with this quickly

>>147624624
Did this get a doujin or something?
>even SMT has more at this point

>>147651336
>lack of mechs kinda puts me off from playing Xenoblade though.
The story is supposedly really good and robots are important you just can't use them as far as I know (because they're your enemies).

>>147652110
>do you still have to go dex for a physical build?
No, go wurld of STR you get pierce all on Nanashi near the end of the story so there's really no reason not to with enough LU you crit like a motherfucker so weaknesses are useless

So i decided to play DeSu: Overclocked on Citra (3DS emulator). The music is choppy and game lags during combat. The only thing that crashes the game (at least the one i found) is summoning demons from stock during combat. Dunno if i should wait for better release or just deal with it.

Liam o'brien where?

>>147653964
Too expensive for Atlus USA. English dubs are worthy of your respect.

>>147654081
Nuke it all.

The white were right.

>>147653947
Wait for something better, alternatively get a 3ds

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>>147654248
At least best girl retained her voice.

>>147654328
I want to do lewd things to Isabeau.

>>147649116
>playing with whiny japanese voices
They're the only reason I prefer English dubs. I can't stand shit like Japanese Rise and Nanako. Fuck.

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>>147655683
>I prefer English dubs

>>147655683
So you prefer all of the voices being shit instead of one or two? Seems reasonable.

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>>147655657
Don't we all?

>>147654081
I thought Navarre was O'Brien.

>>147655937
I don't.

How far does the guide that comes with SMTIV get you through the game?

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>>147638826
>4 DAYS AFTER DRAGON QUEST
I WON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUY BOTH

>>147656317
Ever heard of a concept called saving money? You should have more than enough time until then.

>>147656439
I am saving money in the first place to buy Dragon Quest

Okay I have slightly dabbled in P3/P4 and besides that haven't really played any SMT games. I have previously finished Demikids Dark and enjoyed it. what would be a good game for me to return to the series as a whole? Bonus points if its a game that isn't hard because I suck at video games :s

>>147656937
>:s

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>>147656937
Digital Devil Saga would be a good place to ease you into the rest of the series.

>>147655970
Not anymore.

Nozomi ain't Laura Bailey either.

Hallelujah is Jon/Merkabah's VA.

>>147652620
It's Karen anon. It's not Burch.

>>147650861
Flynn's the terminal guardian.

>tfw you never liked bailey's voice acting anyway
>but the replacement doesn't help

>>147657949
I liked her cause she does sound like a girl who wasn't that strong and looked up to Flynn.

>No Dagda
>No Krishna
>No Odin
>No Miroku/Maitreya
>No Jonathan/Merkabah
>No Walter/Lucy.

>>147658380
And by Dagda I mean with an actual profile like the rest, but can't into 2+ minute videos.

Can barely handle 1 min.

What if Master is the Terminal Guardian? Think about how he lets his kids dress.

>>147655909
I prefer a lot of decent/good voices instead of a few good ones and one or two really annoying ones. Plus I can actually understand English.

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>>147650664
I like Flynn's voice

So it's a shame I'll have to wait for the undub, maybe because hearing gibberish instead of something so cringey as 'Godslayer' allows me to keep detached.

>>147647097
why she looks like has down

>>147663281
Flynn sounds similar to that bandanna wearing kid in Digimon Frontier. Like a semi-deeper voice of him. I also think he voiced Neji in the Naruto games.

>>147665034
>Neji
I knew it was familiar

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>>147616542
I imagine if in another timeline Nocturne was a huge success and P3 a failure this fucking nightmare crossover with Fire Emblem would never exist.

Life is really unfair, isn't it?

Don't die

>>147668456
Some say that this was all the result of a single sale

>>147668456
Truly unfair. Although it was advertised as SMT x FE so wouldn't it still exist? Unless you mean the game went a different direction?

>>147668456
>Nocturne and SJ sold like shit
It's not fucking fair.

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>>147668582

Guys, which one is better, SMT IV or Soul Hackers?

>trying to make a SMTI rip off in RPGMaker
>decide to read Simon's Necronomicon to see if I can give it some original spice
>realize game imagery, and plot to some extent, is being literally pulled from it already

Ok so I'm so am I completely crazy or does DDS1 randomly give Cielo a Jamacian accent out of no where and just rolls with it? I swear he sounded nothing like that in the beginning cutscenes

>>147670025
Soul Hackers

>>147671393
You are correct.

>>147670025
SH

>>147671078
>reading The Greater Key of Solomon
>learning how to summon a demon irl
>find out the games got it spot on, up to negotiating with the demons and following moon phases
So, when are you gonna become Devil Summoners, /smtg/? You don't even need a Comp.

>>147670025
Probably preference but soul hackers.

>>147671393
Yeah, the accent is left field but they roll with it.

>>147671602
>>147672134
Ok I was in the middle of it and got to the scene where it happened (and the other scene where they had him jailed) and was just like what the fuck?

>>147671525
>>147671942
>>147672134
SH does sound pretty good, if it helps, my favourite SMT so far were SMT I,SJ and KMT, i just loved their atmosphere.

>>147672579
>shit localization apologists
vomit.jpg

If I'm starting Raidou 2 and import my save data from the first game, am I going to miss anything if I beat Beelzebub but didn't get Raiho?

Why does Nozomi sound so lewd in the Apocalypse trailer?

Found a little slice of heaven
http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?s_mode=s_tag_full&word=%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B7%E3%82%A7%E3%83%A9%E3%83%88

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>>147674445
Probably if it's a similar situation to DDS

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>MISSION COMPLETE

Guys, I just beat Strange Journey with terrible armor and weapons and it feels fucking good man. This brings my grand total to MT [KMT], MTII [KMT], SH, SJ, and IV. I've only been playing for a year or so but I love Megaten more than any series I've ever played. Thanks for being the best general a fiend could ask for throughout my journey.

>>147678924
Congrats, anon.

You cannot escape your hunger, warriors of purgatory!

>>147679198
Thanks, famicom. I bought IV on a whim, and I've torn through more games in this past year than I have in the past 3. There's just something about Megaten... Maybe I can get around to playing SMT on my phone now... After I beat #FE

>>147679478
Looking at your list, you might need to get your hands on a ps2, otherwise you're missing out on some of the best megaten games.

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>>147679606
I actually got a backwards compatible PS3 specifically for playing Megaten. I got like 23 hours into Nocturne, but I really didn't like it as much as the others I'd played. I think I'm going to tackle at least the first Raidou between #FE and Final. Might give the DDS games a shot at some point too. I'm patiently laying in wait for the MTII Famicom translation. There's just so many fucking games, it's amazing.

>>147679998
The ride never ends with megaten. There will probably always be games you haven't played.

/r/ing the old pic of rankings based off of how many games you've played

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>>147679998
>Raidou
Buckle up, because the combat gets...wonky at times. Raidou 2 fixes that though. You now have the ability to roll around the battle map instead of "running" like a Naruto character.

>>147680597
I've heard that, but since they're both so easily available I figure I might as well start with the first one.

>>147681182
If you can get past the combat, then Raidou is all sorts of fun. It's the closest we'll get to a real-time Pokemon action RPG.

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>>147671964

My favorite part of the Key of Solomon is the varying amounts of summoning required. There's probably four levels of summoning that are progressively more spiteful of the demon when they don't show up.

I started reading more Crowley a few weeks ago. The book on Enochian Sex Magick, to be precise. Keep in mind they seriously fluffed up the sex parts, as I didn't see anything about it mentioned in the first half of the book. Shame that Enochian is probably just some 16th-century antediluvian invention and not an actual reflection of human psychology.

Crowley is a pain in the ass to read. I picked up Paradise Lost to read since it's at least comparably straightforward. What /lit/ have you guys been reading lately?

>>147671964
>implying I don't frequent /x/ already

>>147682209
Paradise Lost is pretty great, Satan's really interesting in the first book as well as Adam and Eve's actions after the fall. I haven't been reading anything smt related lately because being an English major leaves little time to read for fun outside of class. I did reread the Oresteia a little while ago, still want more Ancient Greek drama characters in SMT, even if they're not technically gods.

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>my own personal godslayer
/r/ Dagda drawn like Gagison

>>147673375
new meme?

Where are all my friends

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>>147684221
You know where they're at

Musubi = Anarchy > Neutral = Freedom = Peace > Shijima > True Demon > Law > Chaos = Demon > Yosuga > White

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I like Devil Summoner more than your favorite game.

>>147685891
Shit taste, dude.
White > Musubi > Shijima > Demon > Law > True Demon = Chaos = Yosuga >>> Neutral = Freedom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peace of Shit

>>147686183
Forgot Anarchy, it's between Shijima and Demon.

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I think I'm going to enjoy Raidou 2 a lot.

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>>147686183
>actually liking the White

Remember when The White were Whiteman?

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SURVIVED THE FALL FROM GRACE

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>>147682209
>Crowley

Real demon hours who da fuck up

>>147691736
Kill me.

>>147691778
Okay, bend over!

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>>147691859

>>147691932
Those are some ugly shoes, chum.

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>>147682209
>Crowley is a pain in the ass to read
Tell me about it. Is there a proper/recommended place to start with his books?

>>147692058
No they are not.

Hoy.

>>147694963
asuminasai

CARD SIGN OF FRIENDSHIP

Hoy.

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I found this in the Kaneko works Volume 2. What is it supposed to be? also, is there a collection of Kanekos Artwork besides the Artwork from SMT1, 2, and Nocturne?

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>lunatic mode in TMS is the hardest megaten to date
JUST

>>147702308
Lewd.

Hoy.

Just hacked my Xbox.
Is there a translation of any kind for NINE?

>>147707534
No sir.

>>147707534
Is it still a huge bitch to hack an XBOX? I've always wanted to, but always gone the Wii route due to simplicity.

>>147708491
You need a copy of the few hackable games (like Mechassault, Splinter Cell) a USB adapter to connect your USB stick to the console and that's about it.

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I'm at end game of Nocturne and am trying to figure what party I want to use. I'm already set on Dante and Skadi, who else should I use? I'm level 80

>>147708382
Isn't there a finnish translation? I've heard rumors of one with no confirmation.

>>147712838
Now that you mention it I've heard that, but I've never seen it or heard it confirmed.

>>147712838
That was me jocking a few weeks/ months ago? The fact that someone took it seriously, even as a rumour, I don't know if I should feel shame or laughing. Anyway, sorry for the false hope if you speak finnish. Whatever i've heard NINE is shit.

>>147718146
Could've used all those hours on learning japanese.

Oh well.

>>147723026
Would Mediko be Neutral?

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>metal emblems for Apocalypse
That is? Japan got a lot of cool shit, and now not even an artbook

>>147725253
I want them to release IV physically along with IVA in Europe. It probably won't happen but a man can dream.

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>>147724491
Mediko is law.

>>147727504
1. Softmod your 3DS
2. Import everything

>>147679998
>I'm patiently laying in wait for the MTII Famicom translation
Why? it's literally inferior to the KMT version in every way, and dont give me that "the music is better bullshit", it isnt and even if it was its not worth sacrificing the overall experience for

Hoy.

>>147709396
I assume you are doing the True Demon route, right? if that is the case, I would reccomend dropping Dante for the last boss because he doesn't have much utility and won't be able to do damage, either, as he doesn't have Pierce. Use him for normal encounters and any other boss fights you still have.

Some demons around your level range I can reccomend are Mother Harlot (try to give her Debilitate and buffs), the Mega Pixie if you can pass on some good abilities for her with mitamas (like buffs and some way to regain mana), Beelzebub if you don't mind grinding a bit (he's level 84), Kali (if you wanna do some work to give her Focus and Pierce, she's gonna rival Demi-fiend in terms of damage), Lilith could be quite good with some better moves too. Make sure you have at least two demons that can heal, and that you are able to both debuff fully (Debilitate) and buff fully extremely quickly, as you will have to deal with Dekunda and Dekaja. Demi-Fiend can do the damaging by himself, if you build him right.

Of course, if you are willing to work a bit for it, any demon could be good, so you can just use whatever you like. I used a Titania through the entire later part of the game because she is a qt. The Fiends are all potentially good because of their resistances, but you will have to customise their movesets.

Hoy.

>>147741361
Fuck you Demi-Fiend, I wanted the thread to die.

>>147741361
Is that Eric Bana?

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>>147702308
>megaten
No

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What's the best skill path for Nemissa? Or does it not really matter?

>>147742796
Zio.

>>147742796
Sexy Nemissa

>>147742890
>>147743147
Alright cool, I was leaning towards that anyway, but I've taking a liking to spamming Mudo lately for some reason.

Sexy it is.

I want to marry Ulala.

>>147744328
I think there are more demons weak to hama in SH anyways.

>tfw i set the difficulty down to easy on Soul Hackers to beat Beelzebub so I can finally start NG+

I didn't want to grind.

>>147744630
Holy shit, I think that's what I'll have to do.

I've been stuck with him for months, I can't create cool new demons at my current level, and he always fucks my shit up as soon as he starts to become red.
I also just remembered that I had the game set on hard... at least now I know what I'll do this afternoon.

>>147744630
>>147744915
Seriously?

>>147745063
Seriously what?

>>147745063
Grinding in Soul Hackers is lengthy as fuck anon. I didn't want to grind 7 levels just to fuse a demon or two when I could switch it down to easy and get it over with.

>>147745316
How about using your brain when fighting him like with every other boss in this franchise?

>>147655909

As someone who actually knows Japanese, you subfags are insane. Yeah, Japanese VA is generally better for games made in Japan, the dubs aren't really that bad. You only think the Japanese VA is so good because you don't understand it. Now I'm not saying that you can't tell at all if you don't understand it, someone putting actual emotion into their voice, someone who's actually acting, are easy to identify no matter the language, but there's a lot of little things you don't notice because you haven't heard Japanese every single day of your life. Even for me, I can't say I'm an expert of Japanese VA quality, because I don't live in Japan, I'm still not and never will be as intimate with it as I am with English.

Also, I'm not saying that people who simply prefer to hear things in their original language are insane, that's perfectly fine. It's just the people who act like Japanese VA can do no wrong and English VA can do no right that I'm talking about.

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>>147745828
I've tried making this argument before but it's no use anon, there's just no reasoning with people who think it doesn't matter if you can't even begin to grasp the subtleties and nuances of a completely different language so long you can "hear the emotion".

I am a little miffed that they don't seem to have gotten Navarre and Nozomi's VA's back though, it's always a shame when that happens.

>>147745828
>You only think the Japanese VA is so good because you don't understand it.
I am actually the guy you're responding too and I know Japanese too, I am playing the games in Japanese, I do understand what I'm hearing/reading.
This is pretty funny.

>but there's a lot of little things you don't notice because you haven't heard Japanese every single day of your life
Like? And how could anything besides the acting be relevant for the quality of the VA's?

>It's just the people who act like Japanese VA can do no wrong and English VA can do no right that I'm talking about.
I didn't say that. Your strawman really is an unlikeable retard, doesn't know moon and is spouting shit like that. He should kill himself.
You say it yourself:

>Japanese VA is generally better for games made in Japan
And this is really not rocket science. VA is looked down upon on in the US, so the people working there are either not talented or just don't give a fuck or both.
I wish this sentiment towards VA would change because it is a job that deserves respect and pretty much everything gets dubbed but what can you do when VA's are regarded as failures who can't act "for real"?

>>147746380
>the subtleties and nuances of a completely different language
Like? I know you guys are making this argument again and again and I still don't get it.

>>147745796
I'll admit, I could have just used the Nul Elec armors and demons, but I was doing shit damage even after Tarukaja x4, so I got annoyed.

>>147746635

>I am actually the guy you're responding too and I know Japanese too, I am playing the games in Japanese

In that case, you're an elitist who never left the weeaboo stage.

>Like?
If you don't understand this, you can't know Japanese as well as you think you do. There are subtle nuances in language that you'd have to experience many times over the course of your life to truly understand. You can be good, but unless you live in that region for a very long time, claiming you understand another language as well as you do your mother tongue is pure ignorance.

>And how could anything besides the acting be relevant for the quality of the VA's?
It's part of the acting. You know some Japanese people who know English think that shitty English VA is better than their own? That's because they haven't actually seen and heard and used English themselves day after day, year after year, and they don't truly understand it.

>VA is looked down upon on in the US
Not really. Animeish stuff maybe, but you don't see anyone getting laughed out of any place for providing a voice for a Mass Effect character. Fucking no one ever complains about or makes fun of the VAs for Legacy of Kain.

But I'll take the advice of>>147746380 and stop. Clearly, you think you've already decided that you know Japanese as well as a native, and that English sucks for VA. No reasoning with you there.

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>>147746635
>Like?

If you know Japanese you should already know what I mean, and I am mainly talking about the 1000's of weaboos this site is filled with that don't speak a lick of Japanese yet somehow think they can judge the quality of VA outside the most extreme scenarios, despite the fact that if your only exposure to the language is through games and anime, all Japanese is gonna sound the same to you.

I'm not trying to say dubs are as good as or better than the original VA, as they tend not to be outside of some exceptions. Although I do think dubs in general get more hate than they deserve, I particularly hate seeing people shit on decent dubs just because they have a bias against them.

>>147747505
>If you don't understand this, you can't know Japanese as well as you think you do. There are subtle nuances in language that you'd have to experience many times over the course of your life to truly understand.
You're acting as if you'd have to be a native speaker to make statements about the quality of acting. That's completely absurd.
Also good job with giving examples for your mysterious nuances.

>You know some Japanese people who know English think that shitty English VA is better than their own?
Those are called westaboos here.

>That's because they haven't actually seen and heard and used English themselves day after day, year after year, and they don't truly understand it.
Not really, they're just biased. A fuck ton people on earth know English without being a native speaker and I can assure you that they're able to tell when acting is shit.

>Not really. Animeish stuff maybe, but you don't see anyone getting laughed out of any place for providing a voice for a Mass Effect character. .
It's still regarded as not really acting. Just compare the VA industry of the US and Japan. The difference in quality lies there, they need to put a lot more effort in Japan because they actually have competition, a lot of people want to become VAs similar to how a lot of people all over the world want to make it in Hollywood.

>>147747962
>If you know Japanese you should already know what I mean
Jesus. How about trying at least?

>don't speak a lick of Japanese yet somehow think they can judge the quality of VA
Yes, they can.

>despite the fact that if your only exposure to the language is through games and anime, all Japanese is gonna sound the same to you.
What? A fact freshly pulled out of your ass.

>I particularly hate seeing people shit on decent dubs just because they have a bias against them.
I agree that they are a lot people like that but it is as you say
>they tend not to be outside of some exceptions

>Not turning voice-acting off regardless of whether it's English or Japanese.

Wow the thread got so green all of a sudden.

>>147745796
Then tell me your hot strategy for fighting him.

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Any draw requests?

HEE HOO

>>147748654

>You're acting as if you'd have to be a native speaker to make statements about the quality of acting. That's completely absurd.

Try learning to comprehend written English. You can't be as accurate a judge as a native speaker, but I never said you can't judge quality of acting at all. In fact, I said that you can judge somewhat even if you don't understand the language at all.

And as for nuances, there's no examples to give really. There are just cues aural cues people are used to. You're used to hearing things a certain way. Take Christopher Walken for example, the way he says anything at all is really weird compared to any other English speaker. Imagine that, but on a smaller scale.

>Not really, they're just biased.
>No man, people are experts at a language if they know enough to be able to read/listen to it
Okay.

Most people I know who know Japanese may have been weeaboos at one point who thought that everything about the Japanese language and Japanese VAs and all that was superior, but most of them grew out of that the more they learned about the language, and learned how much they didn't know. Even the guy I know who has an N1 certification admits that he's not a master of the moonrunes. But hey, you're Anon, the Super Linguist. Guess we just can't really compare to you.

>>147749705
Show me your work, first.

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>>147749705
Recreate the Nativity with megaten demons.

>>147748654
>Jesus. How about trying at least?

How do you not understand this basic concept? Japanese and English are radically different languages, you can't apply your knowledge of speaking one to the other. From how they sound to how they're structured they are completely different.

If a performance sounds stilted or awkward, halfhearted or unnatural, over-acted or any other possible combination of issues that can come when delivering a performance, how are you going to tell when you don't have any working knowledge of the language? You're not, plain and simple. Outside of extreme scenarios, like when a character is expressing an incredibly powerful emotion.

>>147750221

>like when a character is expressing an incredibly powerful emotion.

This. This shit's pretty obvious, but how are you going to understand if highschooler's standing around shooting the shit is actual good acting and it sounds natural? Don't tell me it's because you've watched a lot of anime.

>>147750412

highschoolers*

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>>147749705
Make fanart of best girl Naomi.

>>147749813
>You can't be as accurate a judge as a native speaker,
I agree.

>But hey, you're Anon, the Super Linguist. Guess we just can't really compare to you.
Could you stop putting shit in my mouth? Same with
>Clearly, you think you've already decided that you know Japanese as well as a native, and that English sucks for VA. No reasoning with you there.
My whole point is that you don't need to be a Super Linguist or native speaker to judge acting.
The language is, of course, a part of the acting but it's really small compared to the other abilities important to acting. Acting schools don't just teach you how to speak the language.

>You're used to hearing things a certain way. Take Christopher Walken for example, the way he says anything at all is really weird compared to any other English speaker. Imagine that, but on a smaller scale.
You don't have to live in Japan to get used to hearing things a certain way. And how weird Walken talks isn't that important for assessing his acting, sure it's a trademark but he can still act.

>>147750221
>How do you not understand this basic concept? Japanese and English are radically different languages, you can't apply your knowledge of speaking one to the other. From how they sound to how they're structured they are completely different.
No shit but that's not really relevant when you're only looking at the quality of somebody's acting unless, of course, the language and culture of that specific country have different standards for good acting. You could still judge from your background though.

>If a performance sounds stilted or awkward, halfhearted or unnatural, over-acted or any other possible combination of issues that can come when delivering a performance, how are you going to tell when you don't have any working knowledge of the language?
You can tell most of that without knowing shit about the language except when it's about grammatical awkward stuff or wrong intonation like in Chinese

>>147750690

>You can tell most of that without knowing shit about the language except when it's about grammatical awkward stuff or wrong intonation like in Chinese

Holy motherfuck. You do not understand this at all.

>>147750690
>Chinese
or Japanese. Heard pitch accent is important.

>>147750893
Then explain it to me.

Kinda unrelated to the current discussion, but this dub debate reminds me of the sperg who refused to play DDS in english because of being a hardcore weeb.

I wonder how that went for him.

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>>147750690
>You can tell most of that without knowing shit about the language

B-but you can't... because knowledge of the language directly contributes to your understanding of if a performance sounds natural and well delivered and...

Y'know what? I'm gonna go fap, none of this matters anyway.

Enjoy the rest of your day anon.

I love you /smtg/

>>147750961

>Then explain it to me.

I've tried, but you just can't comprehend the fact that you do not know how natural sounding speech is when not filled with powerful emotion. That watching anime or playing games is not an accurate judge of "How people sound when they're standing around, talking about homework." Even in English media, people don't always sound completely natural when having conversations. But if you can't understand this, there's no point in trying to convince you that you don't know exactly how people in another country, speaking in another language, really sound compared to their cartoons and games.

>>147751304
>B-but you can't... because knowledge of the language directly contributes to your understanding of if a performance sounds natural and well delivered and...
Only the small part where the language is actually relevant like, again, grammar/intonation. Fact is that emotions are universal and you don't need to know a language to know when a person sounds excited, sad, angry, not caring etc. And this stuff is the most important shit for acting because it's difficult for normal people to express those emotions convincingly without actually feeling them.

>>147751450
>That watching anime or playing games is not an accurate judge of "How people sound when they're standing around, talking about homework." Even in English media, people don't always sound completely natural when having conversations.
No shit.

>But if you can't understand this, there's no point in trying to convince you that you don't know exactly how people in another country, speaking in another language, really sound compared to their cartoons and games.
So every acting in cartoons and games is disqualified from the start because nobody they don't speak like people would in real life? Do you know how acting works?

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>>147751851

>So every acting in cartoons and games is disqualified from the start because nobody they don't speak like people would in real life? Do you know how acting works?

>He doesn't understand English!

You're having a lot of trouble following, bud. Let's just stop here.

>>147749705
I said one earlier in the thread

>>147749705
Jack Frost playing Famicom with Pyro Jack

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Quick question /smtg/, I'm about to replay Nocturne and I wanted to attempt Hard mode. Will I get fucked if I don't go with a new game plus and have the extra turn?
It's been 3 years since I last played Nocturne so I'll probably get rekt anyway.

>>147752510
If you're dissatisfied with my response to
>Even in English media, people don't always sound completely natural when having conversations.
then here:
Why is that? If it's because of unnatural sounding language, it's the fault of the ones responsible for the script. If it's because of unnatural acting, even people who don't know the language are able to realize it most of the time.

>>147753053
Depends on how much of a masochist with enough free time you are.

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So, basically:
>Seinfeld = Hero
>Costanza = Law Hero
>Kramer = Chaos Hero
>Elaine = Heroine

>>147753845
Yes, you got it right.

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>>147753967
This puts the show in a whole new light, man.

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>>147753053

Haha, it's actually real. Apparently it's because the game over scene is similar to the end of Flanders Dog or something.

>>147753845
>JERRY, I SAW KRAMER SUMMONING DEMONS, JERRY.
>Newman?

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>>147749705
Isabeau dressed up as Isabelle from Animal Crossing. Can you make sure to draws Isabeau's makeup and nail polish please, the little details like that make it better.

Hoy.

>>147754382
Would Isabelle follow you in AC regardless of your alignment? Or would you have to kill her at some point?

>>147742796
There's something very wrong with Nemissa's bra.

>>147756708
Depends.

Does Isabelle show a preference to order or lawlessness?

Found my copy of SMT4 finally, doing a replay now that Apocalypse got its release date confirmed. Holy hell I forgot how much Burroughs voice makes me rock hard.

>>147756957

>Holy hell I forgot how much Burroughs voice makes me rock hard.

Honestly, it's one reason I've thought about playing the English version. But I don't want to have to deal with changing VAs in Apocalypse, so I don't know.

>>147756913
She can force villagers to stop saying things that bother you (catchphrases) and suggests them to stop wearing certain clothes.

But whenever she is in charge if you aren't at your village, the town falls into chaos.

>>147757250
Did Nozomi repraised in Japan?

Because otherwise the main samurai cast and people like Hope, Hugo, Skins and that other hipster dude made a pretty good voice acting in english.

>>147757294
Sounds like she's loyal to you enough that she'll follow you no matter what path you take.

Unless the path is Nihilism?

>>147757467

>Did Nozomi repraised in Japan?

Not sure, haven't played either of them yet. The MegaTen wiki only has one Japanese VA listed, so maybe. The Japanese are usually pretty good about reprising their roles.

Yeah, the English VA for the main characters and some of the other characters I've heard sound pretty good. Actually like Medusa's voice a bit more in the English version. Both of Alraune's voices are great.

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>>147753392
I'm a mild masochist in holidays until 1st September so I guess I try.

>>147754284
I thought it was a joke on my kanji dictionary but then I downloaded a couple more and it's there in all of them. Still, thanks for the context.

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This is now the official thread's theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhZ9FT4l414

>>147757250
I was always happy with the cast in SMT4, they're all good and quite varied. Plus Navarre is a fuckin treat. Occasionally some of the really random one off quest NPCs don't sound good but that's about it.


As for Apocalypse, I'm super happy with Dagda being Robert Atkin Downes doing some Irish accent. But damn it would have been cool to have a whole game with Char as your handler.

I wonder what the sales for #FlopEmblem are in the U.S

>>147757467
>>147757834
>Did Nozomi repraised in Japan?
Yes.

>>147757984
Then I guess you could.

Although it wouldn't hurt you to grab a guide and do the boss trial in Amala, so you can do the Hard mode in NG+.

>>147758085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQtIvbkurs
GO GO

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>>147758521
This makes me want to smash my head against a wall.

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>>147753053
I played hard mode my first time through and thought it was pretty easy. The only parts that gave me trouble were the first few encounters (those are just luck), Matador and the first fight with Dante (hey kid, let me just 1-shot your buffers before you even get a turn, lol). After the that, I found that the difficulty balances out and the late game actually becomes a cakewalk because you're just so strong and have so many options. Even Lucifer was pretty pathetic.

>>147758862
Here this should help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjAruPJdmOk

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>>147759205
Now I'll counter your song with a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUNTqqxBAOM

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Are you hyped for the Sonic DLC in SMT IV Apocalypse?

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Hoy.

>>147758310

>Occasionally some of the really random one off quest NPCs don't sound good but that's about it.

You get that in Japanese too. It doesn't really matter as long as the characters you're going to be hearing for throughout the game sounds good, two lines by a bad actor won't ruin a game.

>>147760925
woah, that artist nailed it.

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>>147692170

My introduction to Crowley was via Robert Anton Wilson and his various books on the subject. Israel Regardie is a little bit easier to read and that's nice given he was Crowley's right hand man, but fuck me the shit is just so obtuse at times. The Book of Lies is annotated with explanations poem by poem though so that might be worth a shot.

>>147749705

A white dude cosplaying a Black Frost by wearing black face.

>>147758310
>>Robin Atkin Downes

FUCKHEAD!

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>>147765896

Sorry, meant to post this high-quality OC done with ten human hours in MS Paint. I have been drinking.

How do character in Devil Survivor do physical damage? I mean, do they punch the demons, attack with an sword/random weapon or they press a button on the COMP and somehow the demon receives damage?

>>147766378
Because of magic demon bullshit the COMP harmonizer allows them to punch the demon at a frequency that damages them

>>147680293
>emulator

How the fuck do I beat ancient of days?

As someone who´s native language is neither english or japanese, I can tell all of you that japanese voice acting is (more often than not) better than the english dub.

>>147768646
Uriel with Kannuki Throw, Bloody Glee, Charge, Physical and High Physical Pleroma, Draconic Reaction.

A demon with Archangel's Law.

A demon with Stigmatic Strike, if you're going to attack Days with his weakness to Force.

Also bring Luster Candy, Debilitate, Salvation and most important of all, Doping.

If you can sneak in drain physical, drain fire and drain ice, that's great too.

And hope. Hope that you get lucky.

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Hoy.

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Im playing Noctune for my first time and i had a question about the TDE. Is it worth the 5 extra dungeons and the extra feind fights? In currently Asakusa and have 4 of the candles.

>>147774539
Yes. The Kalpas and the Fiend fights are fun.

>>147774601
Is it possible to never be able to fight certain feinds? I read that you can only fight certian ones if youve placed certain candles in the labyrinth, which ive placed none. Does this mean i cant do TDE anymore?

>>147774981
You're locked out of TDE if you enter the final dungeon before reaching the end of the labyrinth.
Some fiends will not appear until you get to a certain floor but they'll never be unavailable unless you lock yourself out of TDE.

>>147775369
Thanks m8, going through the 1st kalpa rn

Hoy.

SMT Go when?
>pick up an Angel at your local church
>book a flight to the Vatican to get Metatron
>visit Nordic burial mounds for a chance at Thor

I have a doubt about the DDS2 mantra grids.

Once you max out a mantra, it unlocks its adjacent paths. But what I don't understand is if these unlocks are exclusive to each character or if they are shared with the whole party.

>>147778124
They could just expand the SMTV FINAL website game.

>>147768646
By buying and completing the rest of the DLC like a good goyim.

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Hoy.

>>147783678
fuck off flynn

Starting the first SMT on the Famicom now.

The guide says I should focus on Magic and Speed for a Law hero, right? What about the rest of my party? Does it matter?

>>147784424
Nerve bullets on MC

>>147784424
VIT/SPD/STR for Hero and Chaos Hero.
MAG/SPD/VIT for Heroine.

>Your mother likes it in the back with niggers, every Friday night
>...So the sign says

>>147780039
I already have all the DLC.
Thanks to arm9loaderhax.

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>>147774539
>>147774601
>>147774981
>>147775369

TDE-fag here, I think I fucked myself over, long post incoming.

Here's what happened: I finished the 2nd Kalpa, talked to the Lady in Black through the peephole. I continued to the 3rd Kalpa and had a third confrontation with the four horseman in a cut scene. Because at this point i do not have any candles to be put down and open the door to the third Kalpa, I had to backtrack through the 2nd Kalpa to go back to the top of the labyrinth. Because I have one candle left over (can't be used on the 3rd Kalpa pedestal) whenever I teleport anywhere with the terminal I am greeted with a battle with the White Rider after a few steps, which I am currently not prepared for because I had just went through the 1st and 2nd Kalpas.

What the fuck do I do /smtg/?

>>147794484
Doesn't the White Rider only appear in Asakusa? You can try save scumming until you get lucky enough to escape, but if you have Divine Shot you can take him down pretty easily.

>>147794596
I think he can appear anywhere, but Asakusa is the first time he can show up, which is why I always finish the second Kalpa before I make it there. Then I can just grind if I can't beat him.

>>147794645
You might just have to backtrack if you can't escape the terminal at Asakusa. But Divine Shot takes him down fairly easily if I recall, so you could scum from another terminal if necessary and get out from there.

>>147794596
It also happened in Ikebukuro and Ginza, and after a step i'm sucked into fighting him. And no I currently don't have divine shot or have wind based moves for the Virtues he spawns.

>>147794737
just fyi diff guy who isn't TDE-fag >>147794645

>>147794745
When the >will you stay here? prompt appears, just say no. You should be able to avoid it, eventually. He is gonna bother you untill you kill him, though.

>>147794937
Oh really? I always get sucked in no matter what I say. Thanks, ill try that tomorrow and hopefully beat him.

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>>147794057

night fags

DeSu OC jap dub it's as bad as the english dub the npcs in particular are so bad it sounds comic.

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Non handheld megaten when?

>>147805423
persona 5

>>147805423
TMS

Hoy.

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Have a little something

Sorry for the feet enthusiasts/connoisseurs among you, I suck at them lol

http://imgur.com/4IIyAh4

its NSFW :^)

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>>147810785
10/10
Femi-fiend next desu

>>147811267
Anon pls, Im about to play some overmeme. I'll come back later though, dont you have a more canon demonwaifu?

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>>147811423
I do, but I don't want others to see her doing lewd things

What about Cleo, or Asherah?

>>147811512
Ohhh, I see, dont worry, I'll keep it a secret ;D

>Asherah, niiiice
can you give me a short description of what you want her to do/position? I'm also glad you liked that last drawing, means a lot

>>147784424
There is no SMT on the Famicom.

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Got a few questions for you guys, I was thinking of buying Persona Q because I really liked Persona 3 and I need something to kill time with for the next 50 or so days.

-Is hard mode actually hard?

-About how long is Persona Q on average?

-Does it have any stuff like NG+ or other features to replay it for?

-Is Fuuka a combat unit?

-Is Femc a character ingame?

Last two questions don't really matter though.

>>147801335
Nah, it's low budget and bad compared to most Japanese VA but it's nowhere near as embarrassing (cringeworthy) to hear as the garbage dub. Autism girl was particularly terrible in English (but they were all bad)

>>147814072
>-Is hard mode actually hard?
Not really, its EO lite

>-About how long is Persona Q on average?
I clocked in about 50 hours.

>-Does it have any stuff like NG+ or other features to replay it for?
I don't know, never bothered replaying it.

>-Is Fuuka a combat unit?
No, her and Rise are navigators and they each have their own abilities making them different from one another. Use whichever suits you best.

>-Is Femc a character ingame?
Nah

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>>147815013
>Not really, its EO lite
Is it at least Persona 3 levels of difficulty then?

>No, her and Rise are navigators and they each have their own abilities making them different from one another. Use whichever suits you best.
Cool, I was hoping she wasn't just benched like every other spinoff she's in.

>Nah
That's too bad.

Well 50 hours isn't so bad for a playtime.

>>147815569
Persona 3 isn't difficult and I'd say PQ is about slightly easier. Hama and Mudo skills work amazingly well in this game. If you like EO and Persona, then I guess you would like this as well.

>>147816472
>Persona 3 isn't difficult
There was 2-3 hard bosses and the Answer was legitimately difficult if you didn't overlevel, but everything else was ezpz.

Also the Elizabeth dungeon.

Thanks for the help though.

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>>147814072
>Is hard mode actually hard?

Risky can be pretty challenging until you find one of the myriad ways to break the game over your knee, after that it becomes piss easy no matter what difficulty your playing on.

>About how long is Persona Q on average?

I clocked in just over 80 hours, doing all the sidequests.

>Does it have any stuff like NG+ or other features to replay it for?

It has a NG+, kinda similar to SMTIV in that you can choose to carry over your level and equipment or not, you can also choose to carry over your map data.

There are 2 "routes" that the game has, the P3 and P4 route, the differences between them aren't really that big after the first dungeon, but if you complete both (you have to finish the second one on a NG+ cycle) you can fight the ultimate boss.

>Is Fuuka a combat unit?

Not exactly, but you can use the Navigators as a kind of 6th, support party member, you can equip them with sub-personas and they have special skills to help you in combat, complete with their own summoning animations.

Fuuka has really good skills that passively heal your party every turn, I used her as my main healer.

>Is Femc a character ingame?

No :_:

Hoy.

Why are you discussing SMT in /gbfg/ guys?
Come back here.

>>147825916
Sorry.

Annoys me when Neutralfags get all high and mighty.

>>147778654
They're exclusive to each character (i.e if Serph fills out a Zan mantra but no one else has, they can't use the Zan skills Serph unlocked), but the unlocks work across all characters to reveal the special glowing mantra squares. So if your party members complete separate mantras but they (the completed mantras) all surround a glowing mantra, that mantra unlocks itself and is available for everyone to use, no matter if an individual character completed enough mantras to reach that special mantra or not.

>>147828584
Well, for everyone to unlock for themselves, not to use the skills immediately.

Why is neutral always the best alignment?

>>147828584
I see. That was what I didn't understand.
Thanks!

Bufudyne

>>147832490
>teleports behind you
Magma Axis

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>>147832490
>the game has frozen

>>147832857
BRAVO ATLUS

>>147814072
I was in your place last month ago. Considered getting it because I had only a few translated Megaten games left to get through buttfuck that was terrible.

Started out fun enough, but by the fourth dungeon there formed a total disconnect between the dungeon navigation and actual combat. The combat is permanently stuck in tardmode with a lot of broken abilities to make it even easier. Meanwhile you end up spending so much fucking time on the FOE 'puzzles' which basically boil down to trial and error runs to figure out when and where they'll move - until you realize you've been stuck for ages because the game is bugging out and they wind up on different tiles depending on if you walk or run identical paths.

And then you realize it's super easy just to kill the damage-sponge fucknuts and bypass all the navigational padding, by which point the game just collapses in on itself.

Screw that story too. How many times does Atlus have to rip-off Persona 1

>>147835646
>How many times does Atlus have to rip-off Persona 1
Forever, until they hire a writer instead of using Tadashi's scrap notes on graph paper

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/smtg/, I just finished ZTD and need something to fill the disappointment hole, make my choice for me:
>continue Lunatic autism run on FE14
>finish Strange Journey
>start Soul Hackers
>finish SMT IV
>play SMT I/II on my psp
>other? (I can read moon)

>>147836340
Finish SJ and then/or do SMT 1+2.