Tera General - /Terag/

Dicks.

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>>147608445
Quick, someone convince me this game is worth playing

>>147608669
Uh...
Theres this >>147608565

Anyone tried Riders of Icarus? Goes open beta today.

>>147610042
Looks like gimmicky shit.

i'm the fucking best

>>147610784
Fuck off sura

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>>147608669
Butts

Need more high elf sluts.

need more elins

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post femanis

>>147588535
Little late of a response but thanks! That surprisingly worked very well. Hopefully I'll find out more phrases soon, I want to find something I can casually say in public or in party without it being a huge faux pas

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decided against uninstalling, I guess, after sleeping on it. no point in doing it since the instant I do someones going to come out of the shadows and want to erp.

>>147615480
post butt

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>>147615961

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>>147616039

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>>147595031
BR was definitely one of my favorites, but I'd say RG was my most favorite. I also liked a lot of the classic dungeons but not necessarily enough to say they're favorites. One classic dungeon that stands out for me though is Balder's Temple. It was my first hard endgame dungeon at launch, since I wouldn't say Fane of Kaprima was too hard, the DPS race on the last boss was actually moderately tough at the time and the mechanic for your whole screen to turn dark the longer it took you to kill the boss (at a certain percentage) until you were effectively blind was so awesome. It was like playing in a nightmare, everyone's heart was racing as their screen got darker and darker and finally on my group's first boss of the kill the excitement was so high it was just amazing. So I have pretty good memories of that place, but I wouldn't say it was any better made than say MC, and I still think BR is my absolute favorite 5-man with RG being my absolute favorite out of any.

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>>147615480
Ellie add me on discord again

>>147616524
I dont really appreciate talking to someone who shittalks the guild, saying false information so they look good, after they leave it.

>>147616678
What did I say that was false? Add me!

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Requesting someone's buddyup code. Making an gunner on MT. Hoping that there are still people to hotdog my phat ass on MT since I also want to do other content between getting dumpstered by cum.

>>147616678
marry me, ellie

>>147616919
im not a good substitute for the other ellie, sorry.

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does anyone even play this game anymore?
it's lonely

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Save me from the suffering that is cs.

>>147616428
why they removed BR is beyond my comprehension, that dungeon was actually fun and HM could easily fuck even geared people over if they shit the bed

>>147616428
suspicious

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>be ram priest
>all the slayers i've had in my groups can't dodge anything, ever
>all the brawlers I've been with can't hold aggro off my heals
>the ONE lancer I got d/c'd after first boss in SM
>my last CR party last night was with 2 archers, a gunner, and warrior
>the hate was flipping between the gunner and the archers
>warrior entered with 0 stamina, and did not panacea
>I pulled aggro once every few seconds, but only for a moment before the ranged hit him again to peel it back off me
>mfw I'm 42 and have 23 more levels to go through

>>147619690
How even you take aggro with only healing?
Just level up your alchemy by crafting some eclipse pots.

>>147619862
The point is I never lost aggro when I was leveling as a brawler, so seeing the tanking from this perspective makes me realize how shit some players are.

Should I stop expecting my parties to do their jobs right, and go in with the mentality that they are useless and I will have to carry them?

is ninja good in pvp? i'm a multi class glad and looking to shit on retards

>>147619975

Later on you get fewer and fewer tanks that can't hold aggro, so even if an occasional dps pulls aggro for a moment, you shouldn't have much trouble with aggro.
If you do, you can just focus on using aoe heals instead of focus heals, since those pull less aggro.

>>147616913
Noloty.Malachie#7593 remember to use it before hitting level 10

>>147618212
Of course, but this is EU hours and the game is boring at the moment

>3 ninjas, 1 lancer and me the priest in NT
>1 ninja doesn't enter, blames mouse
I will never, EVER get a party with the 400% bonus XP, will I? this is truly suffering.

>>147619690
The higher up you go the less likely your heals will pull aggro unless your DPSes happen to be brain dead.
If anything, the trap case will be the sub-par DPS managing to constantly pull aggro off a shit tank.

>>147620779
I hadn't considered that
I guess my sleep schedule makes it seem more dead than it is

>>147619975
>leveling as a brawler
When was that?

I *never* saw brawler lose aggro while they where highest-dps class. Now they constantly lose aggro to dps, especially ninjas, gunners.
Most brawlers don't use aggro crystals/accessories bcause they never needed those before.

> they are useless and I will have to carry them
xd
It's not easy to carry team of shitters with healer < level 65. Your healing power is low until you get all level 65 glyphs & gear.

Is there a DPS class that isn't hard to learn for new players? Zerk seems to fit the bill, but it looks really slow.
Also is the general strategy for DPS in this game
>wait for tank to aggro
>get behind the boss
>hit and don't get hit
Or are there other things to take note of?

>>147619350
That's what I was telling people. I could do without the 2nd boss in there, but Fulminar was awesome, not only does the whole instance look great and his room alone is like one of the coolest dungeon rooms in the game, right up there with the Plexus, but so many things on HM fulminar could kill you even after BR got nerfs. Before the nerfs, even NM could kill people easily enough, but in HM you had to memorize the safe zones for pizzas and if not they'd 1 shot you, cage was 1 shot, annihilation or whatever was a good DPS race, his general attacks were very threatening and he had that one circle that would pull you in and give you a circle around you that damaged people, so if your group was stupid someone could just wipe the entire party. It was a great boss fight, even patches later it was still scaring some friends of mine.

post DPS rankings from Ninja to what ??? please

>>147621813
Gunner's about as braindead as you can get.

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photoshop butts

post Kusu ??? please

>>147621976
t. I always have full willpower and can't do triple AB

>>147621813
I would say gunner, not a lot of skills to use, good dodges, cheat death passive and high crit rate

The other thing you said is pretty much it, just try to stay behind the boss as much as you can and be careful with some of the more dangerous mechanics always kill adds before they kill your healer

>>147622090
that looks bad

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>>147622090
>Thighs are backwards.
Hmmm

>>147622230
>>147621976
Alright, I'll try it out. Anything else? Slayer looks rather simple at a glance since it seems to be knockdown > rotation and Slayer has quite a few skills that knockdown.

>>147622774
It's not bad but mana and desynch can get annoying easily, they are getting buffed soon so who knows

> go for daily ABNM fodder runs
> ninja using noctenium
> posts dps meters results on both bosses

I had 2nd best damage on last boss, using only infused charm.

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>>147623181
So basically, you're the first loser.

>>147622303
>>147622771
y-you too

>tfw Brawler is actually fucking shit and slow
thanks tera, thanks for completely ruining the character.

>>147622948
TAKE THE POO TOO THE LOO

>>147623369
Tera classes are kindof like a match of FWC, you either get stomped or you win by 4000 points. There is no balance

REAPER OR GUNNER
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>147624115
Reaper

>>147624351
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ok fine.

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>>147624581
Gunner or Reaper?

GUUUUUUUUUUU

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>lancer, warrior, ninja, archer and me in NT
>muddling along on trash to first boss
>not one taunt is thrown out so the trash basically has their way with me
>get to first boss
>exact same thing
>even dying and resurrecting I'm back at the top of the aggro with 1 heal tossed
>prayer of peace does nothing
Does warrior have defensive stance and their taunt by the time they get to NT? Was I... somehow out of line for calling him out when the Lancer clearly was NOT doing his job?

Is there an easy way to do the friends achievements other than spamming global for help?

>>147625434
No

>>147625190
Infuriate is at level 50 for warriors

>>147625736
So they don't get a radial taunt like lancer and brawler until 50...?

I thought they all got one early on, and then their infuriate (make the boss enter rage mode) later?

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>texture by the neck and head

>>147625836
Infuirate is the enrage

warriors get battle cry (taunt) at level 14

>>147625190
gonna give you a hot tip, that chat log makes you look like a complete douche canoe

wait the fuck up, you can only get 1 buddy up in 1 character?

and next characters are fucked? no buddy code?

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>>147626620
>gonna give you a hot tip

>>147626807
what's the matter, don't like hot tips?

>>147626781
I mean its a pretty big, helpful boost for that one character, anon. I know it would be nice to have the exp boost on others too, but that would be a bit too easy wouldn't it?

>>147626895
what a fucking joke of a buddy up thing then, fucking shit, i already used mine on a fucking brawler and wanted to level up other things, motherfucking tera, piece of fucking garbage, what a joke.

i'm quitting again until i can get a buddyup code again, what it is? 3 months? 6 months?


motherfucker, at least i haven't opened my level 50, 60 and 65 gift boxes.

>>147627116
just fucking level without it, you can get to 65 in a day by spamming dungeons

christ back in my day it took me 2 weeks of questing to get to 60 and I was among the first on CH

>>147625190
They buffed priest offensive skills drastically my man, you can easily defend yourself and peel off the mobs on your own. I didn't have much trouble soloing leveling dungeons with my hot lancer bf, doing some damages myself.
That said, priest heals tend to pull a lot of aggro during leveling dungeons so it's best not to spam them unless theyre necessary. You could just put some dps crystals and help the retard dps yourself by rocking some damage.
Also, lancer and warrior shouts can sometimes be retarded and for some reason by not pulling the mobs correctly.
Also, also, git gud.

>>147625190
boy shut yo sensitive ass up

Why has no one namedropped me for several threads?
I need attention

>>147627360
>spamming dungeons
i hate spamming dungeons, dungeons are the most boring part of this game.
i like grinding mobs.

>>147627592
the fuck is wrong with you

>>147627520
Post butt.

>>147625190
>lv 45 sitting in lumbertown
>probably overheals
>complains constantly in chat
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>147627520
post butt

>>147627776
this

>>147627592
Okay anon, let me rephrase
Leveling in general, no matter what you decide to do is super fucking easy now and if you're literally going to quit over not having another exp boost designed to quickly get people hooked with the game, then I don't know what to say.

Also dungeons = grinding mobs
just solo it if you don't like the feeling of group play dungeons, it's literally just grinding mobs but better experience.

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>>147627592
>i hate spamming dungeons, dungeons are the most boring part of this game.
>i like grinding mobs.
>dungeons are filled with mobs to grind off

>>147627776
No I learned back in BoL that focus heal draws stupid aggro, so I do the HoT's and try not to use the big ones.

>>147619690
What level are you and which server are you in? I'm a tank at golden labyrinth level and if you're in CH we can do stuff together.

That said, when you're around that level gaining aggro with heals is just a thing that happens sometimes, if your group is taking lots of hits and you have to heal them often. And since people are learning to play the game at level 42, of course they'll require heals a lot. I was in a golden labyrinth on my slayer where the priest would enter the room, heal a single person, and take aggro for the entire fight because instead of attacking the boss, the brawler hid behind her block and everyone else was fairly undergeared. In the second to last boss room, where there is a boss and his dog, he was chased by the dog for the entire fight while I followed him around hitting the dog with every chain combo I had; I still couldn't peel the thing off him. I just sat there with my mouth hanging open in complete disbelief, as every attempt I made to peel was undermined by the game's bizarre aggro system. Once I got an avatar weapon for that level range it stopped being an issue, but yeah.

Honestly I'd tell you it gets better later, but it doesn't. People play like shit all the way to the end. Golden Labyrinth is probably the worst dungeon for healers because it's long, it's a maze so people get lost, everything hits like a truck, and you really need a good tank or stuff just runs everywhere. And even with a good tank sometimes stuff still runs everywhere. Sky garden, the dungeon after labyrinth, has doors that close when someone enters the arena and starts the fight, so you get people locking out their healers. Ebon tower is full of fresh reapers who don't know how to play. Sabex and MC are pretty bad too if you're at the bare minimum level and everyone's shit. And level 65 IMS dungeoning as a priest is complete AIDS.

>>147627742
>>147627780
But then you'll know who I am

>>147628250
just cover the face up. no one will know

>>147628250
post it you fucking nerd for the love of god.

>>147625190
Geez, you're one whiny bitch, aren't you. Get over yourself. How can you even have trouble in low level dungeons? I dread reading your posts when you reach 65, and try to do real content.

To answer your question, yes, warriors do have defensive stance, but they are off-tanks, and shouldn't even have to tank.

>>147628506
You better not be thinking that's me, because it isn't

>>147628721
Sorry for expecting my groups to know how to play their job, I guess?

>>147629383
In a levelling dungeon when they can be completely new.

Yeah fuck off, you salt mine.

>>147625190
woooooooooooow

is there a setting to turn off that autotarget shit?

>>147630570
Not him but how many levels do you need until you're not new at your class?

He's in NT, btw.

Are you considered new until you're 65 and +15'd?

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>>147625190
Leveling a healer sucks to be honest. Maining one is even worse. Probably one of the least rewarding roles in the game. If you like it, I mean if you genuinely enjoy it for some reason, then try to just ignore shit players until they start blaming their poor performance on you. When/if that happens, then feel free to lash out. Until then, keep doing your best with the group you have, and join a guild ASAP or you'll be in for a world of hurt at 65.

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Hope you have a great Wednesday! I know I will! <3

>>147632102
A lot of classes don't even come into their own until late in the game. Slayer feels super slow and clunky until 63. Zerks don't even get a dodge roll until past 60 or something, and they don't get a tank stance until 65, so don't expect them to play backup tank when the brawler dies in NT or something. Warriors have a lot of skills and are a pretty complex class, so most people get to 65 and fully gear it and still don't know how to play one. And even though tanking has become much easier than it was before brawlers ruined it, the new system rewards aggressive playing -- something a new player is less likely to do if he is hiding behind his shield for fear of getting hit. Hell, with the way the game matches up multiple tanks together, some brawlers don't even know they're a tank until they get to level 65 and people start kicking them from groups for attacking the back of the boss.

tl;dr never expect anything good from anyone

>>147632102
Speaking from a mystic main, boomerang pulse is a core skill, it's your second main heal. And learning to boomerang pulse well is hard to do at first since it feels really clunky until you understand it.

Took me like a week until I got used to it and I really didn't like using it at first, now my only gripe with it is when people start trying to dodge it.

>>147633071
post butt

>>147634348
What for?

CC I still didn't get my damn stickers. Do I have to come to your place to pick them up?

>>147637029
to add them into my collection

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>>147637985
Why are you collecting butts, that sounds really weird and stinky!

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>>147638291

>>147632514
>solo leveling
you deserve it lad
>not having a big manly lancer with you at all times

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>>147638509
I don't know what that means. I'll have to ask Master and get back to you later!

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It took me a long time, but I made her.
What do you guys think? Do I shower her in outfits and sexy weapons?

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>>147639517
>this face again

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>>147640345
Aww really? I specifically took time to differentiate to avoid same face. Used very different makeup, different eyes and mouth sliders. Jeez

>>147640889
u looks nicesu

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>>147639517
>>147640889

Sexy face

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>>147641416
>>147643212
Thanks! I'd post butt, although she's not lewd enough yet. In time though

I give someone my sliders since they like my character, and not even 30 minutes later it's on some bitches website under her name. Like seriously what is the point of helping others when they just take advantage of you. And not just that she even has the audacity to claim it as her own work.

For anyone that knows this bitch "Candice" let her know to fuck off I know she is one of you people.

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I should've expected this after getting him killed once before, cant say I didnt have it coming

https://a.pomf.cat/rqibyd.webm

>>147645812
just stop posting your webms, you're boring as fuck

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>>147646647
Thats the easiest way to keep me posting, for the people who like it, and to spite those who whine

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I want to make a Gunner Loli.
What race do I use?

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>>147647243

>>147647770
>Gunner Loli

You're fresh out of luck.

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>>147647835
L-L-L-Leeeeeeewd

>>147647857
I only have two choices. With adequate facial appearance along with height and thigh reduction. It can be done. Just which race is better suited for this?

>>147647243
nobody likes it
i would tell you to keep it to discord but you post shit in every single discord you're in, you're such a vapid attention whore

>>147648054
Probably High Elf.

>>147648137
Lol the race with the biggest tits in this game?
>>147648054
Go with castanic, you can make pretty cute faces with them.

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>>147647835
I, uh, hmm...

>>147648059
wut, i only use two servers and one is invite only

>>147648548
Castanics make ugly lolis.

>>147648675
Will you just fucking quit allready

>>147645812
you type like a fucking redditor. kill yourself

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Did anyone say gunner loli?

>>147649302
Please be true

>>147649302
That must have taken some heavy modding or maybe photoshop.

>>147649302
That was just my photoshop project you better be following me on tumblr

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Loli enough?
Youngest face and adornment preset I could pick.
Suggest changes?

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>>147650854
From the side

>THAT FUCKING NECK

>>147650854
Why don't you try castanic instead? you can't do full loli but at least something teen looking, instead of that abomination you have going on

>>147650854
>>147651038
Just stop

>>147651328
This + you wont gimp your total dps by playing high elf

>>147651328
I'll try after to compare the races after.
Be constructive at least.
What would you change?

>>147638661
Not everyone has a guild and friends right out the starting gate. Must be nice though!
>>147644387
Sounds like a real bitch, anon. Mind linking what she stole? If I see anyone who looks like it, I'll PK them for you.
>>147645812
Why is your weapon a swastika? Do you hate Jews?
>>147648054
Go castanic. Elves have that hot old milkmaid look to them and they're tall, but Castanics can look pretty young and they look smaller with minus height than an elf. Also they're flatter.
>>147651038
See this is why you shouldn't go with elf. That face doesn't look cute and she's busty as fuck. Redo as a Castanic, trust me.

>>147651476
>What would you change?
Using an elf to make a loli, just the breasts and the neck itself would make it impossible

>>147651793
>>147651797
Okay, going Castanic then.

>>147651476
>what would you change
Her race.

That aside, her face looks pudgy. Nose is way too big. Chin's pronounced as fuck. Forehead looks huge from the haircut.

>>147651038
Also do yourself a favor and give her an actual name name. Don't name her gunner.loli. You'll regret that shit in like 40 levels.

>>147651793
Yeah she took these
http://tinyurl/com/zwmmg8t
http://tinyurl/com/j8acshl
from my elins.

She has one of my human females and a few from bns so letting all games know.

>>147652594
Those links don't work for me. Possibly consider rehosting them somewhere else, or just linking the images here since this is an imageboard.

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>>147652772

>>147652772
I had to use a / instead of . before the dot come part

>>147652926
Ah right, didn't see that.
>>147652908
D-Don't laugh!

>>147652594
>first looks like a preset
>second looks like something I'd paperbag
I mean it sucks that she stole your work, but at least you won't have to worry about other people using it.

>>147651793
>Not everyone has a guild and friends right out the starting gate. Must be nice though!
Literally no friends, I just ask people I run into to party with me an WHOAH PEOPLE PARTY WITH ME

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Couldn't get a young look, I see now why some of you said, teenager.

Criticize this.

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Hi~

>>147653710
Smaller ears. Try a different face. Like, instead of fucking around with the face settings, try grabbing a cute preset and just tweaking it here and there. Make the eyes a little wider, the nose a bit smaller, face a little rounder (though don't overdo it), that kind of thing.
>>147653503
I'm surprised people even speak to you. I get into a party through IMS and say "hi" and no one says jack shit. At the end I'll say "want to go again?" and no response as everyone /drops one by one. Stand outside the party area and nobody even shows up. Luckily I play a lancer and not a priest, so it's much easier for me to just run in and solo everything.

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>>147653710
You can easily go much younger than that.

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>>147654554
I'm going for young, so most smooth and clean face is best. Also, Castanic faces and adornments are all evil looking. I could say I can make one hell of a Sheboon from it

>>147655079
That nose mole bothers me. I want something darker for hair and well, thats not something I would consider younger. That is a ripe age of 20+

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>>147655325
What about something like this?

>>147655756
Everyone has that slider preset. Though its not so bad.

GUYS HELP ME PLEASE I JUST BOUGHT A USED GPU AND IT SAYS QC PASSED GRADE (SOME NUMBERS/-D
WILL IT WORK? IT COST 160 AND IT WAS A R9 380X

>>147655905
Did you plug it in?

>>147655905
I have an r9 380x. It works fine.

>>147655905
Not yet waiting for the new psu also went cheap but good reviews. thats 160 pounds not dollars just to clarify

>>147652594
neither of those look unique tho...

Well I've given up.
Back to making Elins.

>>147656867
>making the most shit race in the game

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>>147656867
And all is right with the world.

>>147657137
would give her a piece of meat

Why does IMSing FI attract some of the worst kind of people.
>healer who doesn't use triple nem or E.Stars or even buffs till someone had to tell him to use it.
>ninja who stands in every single red indicator then complains for rez after he runs out of neos
>slayer who pops every single consumable in the game then post DPS meter info after every boss even though he isn't at the top.

like what the fuck, DF isn't this bad and it's in the same tier of dungeons.

>>147658017
What's the stigma with DPS meter anyway?

>>147658419
you think you're doing well with your damage then a ninja posts the meter and it turns out he did 4-5 times more than you

>>147658419
People who use it tend to be either elitist or just plain dicks and posting DPS meter without asking/knowing people are fine with it is a massive warning sign of being a complete arsehole. There are of course exceptions but in my experiences they tend to be the exception rather then the norm.

Also it tends to make people go full retard and ignore mechanics because of muh numbers and the feeling of being judged.

>>147658419
To most people it kinda ruins a run, since it shows how much you're "contributing" to a fight. So you have people completely ignoring mechanics in order to get to the top of the meter. In dungeons like FI or DFNM it's not much of a problem since all the bosses are tank and spanks, but in SSNM or SSHM completely ignoring mechanics like minions might cause a wipe. Then you have people arguing over things like " oh well i was doing the most DPS have someone else kill the minions".

>>147658017
Most IMS healers are garbage. They're making me want to main my old priest again just because I'm tired of playing DPS or Tank and never having MP unless I burn through pots and chop up my rotation.

>>147644387

Why not just send her a message ingame and ask for credit?

No need to goto 10 mang.

>>147658419
>run dfnm
>only one healer, a priest, who says she is new and asks if someone wouldn't mind tanking the sorc
>tank says he is new as well, but understands how the dungeon works. Only asks that we not get mad if he loses aggro once or twice
>everyone cooperating well in the first boss; one guy offers to tank the sorc, the rest of the group lets the tank move the boss around without doing stupid shit like popping cooldowns and buffs right after a puddle's been dropped
>smooth, clean boss fight
>ninja posts the logs
>sure enough he's at the top
After that it went to shit.
>second boss, people go ham from the start, don't even let the tank grab aggro before I see brooch buffs popping all over the place and people using nocts and shit
>floor phase happens, a few people don't even move away from the boss. One guy takes multiple hits of the floor mechanic and the newbie healer is freaking out trying to heal them so estars goes off, triple nem goes off, no one's getting mana including the tank, so he loses aggro since he can't attack very much
>boss keeps turning around, people who were barely hanging on before start dropping like flies
>barely scrape through
>ninja posts logs again
>final boss, the tree
>everyone going ham again, not that aggro matters here so it's all good
>tank dies to lasers, apologizes, says he couldn't see them
>priest runs around to res him
>nobody wants to go to the front and attack, so the tree starts building stacks
>ninja says "(guy with consistently lowest dps' name here), go to the front you're lowest dps anyway"
>he doesn't budge
>I end up doing it even though it takes me forever to walk around the fucking tree when a ninja could've been there in seconds, because fuck wiping to a tree
>tank not ressing; boss summons adds that give debuff to everyone in the back just as he does burn
>half the team dies on the spot
>then double laser kills two more people
>just me and the ninja now
>we win, but barely
>leave, disgusted.

>>147660445
Text limit killed my post. tl;dr people go full retard when they feel like their DPS is being monitored. I'm not exempt from this shit either. Usually I kill tombstones and I have no problem with doing what's necessary to avoid a wipe, but when that tank died and nobody ran around to the front to cover for him, there was a brief moment where I thought "this is bullshit, I don't want to lose dps by going to the front of the boss." Shit's cancer. Turns nice cooperative teams into a free for all competition 99% of the time.

WHAT'S sexier FOR AN ELIN.
LONG HAIR WITH CURLS OR PONYTAIL AND CAT TAIL

>>147662664
neither of those

"sexy" elin do not exist and if they do you are probably a paedophile

>>147662664
elins are cute, not sexy
castanics are slut sexy
elves are milf sexy
humans are vanilla sexy
amani are elephants

>>147662850
>>147663046
If I had my wish we've have older Elins in the game.
IF I HAD MY WAY I'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A SLUT OR A MILF NINJA

But what's more pretty in your opinions?

>>147663474
blonde ponytail cat honestly

>>147663046
>elins are cute, not sexy
pretty much everyone I know says the opposite. elins have okay faces but all in all they are not really cute at all unless you design one to be cute on purpose. however, they can have crazy sex appeal with their thighs.

I want to get back into ERP but I can't muster the mental energy or the willpower to find someone, convince them I'm worth fucking and then going through with all of that writing.

There are a few people I could probably ERP with easily but I just can't find the will to proposition them. I just keep telling myself I'll do it tomorrow, maybe in a few days or definitely next weekend then it never happens.

Do I have e-erectile dysfunction?

Does anyone have any tips to help me out of my funk?

>>147665962
Just post your name and your picture here and someone will probably proposition you unless you're ugly or something.

>>147666106
It's not so much an issue with finding people to fuck as it is convincing myself to JUSTDO IT

>>147666248
Well that doesn't sound like something we can help you with, then. Maybe ask yourself why you're pushing yourself to do something that you actually don't want to do all that much.

Man, SSHM is hard.

But... One thing.
So, the Tank died a couple of times per try, which is completely fine... But then this one DPS, that was doing the most DPS, just kept DPSing right on top of the tanks body.

That's wrong right? The DPS should be moving it. Or are we supposed to find some safe spot to be able to res?

>>147666467
Not the kind of response I was looking for but I appreciate it nonetheless.

>>147666516
imperator is really difficult to move, to the point where it's really more worth it to just keep going like that and wait till he does a move that moves him.

>>147666516
Of course it's wrong. He should've helped moved the fight somewhere else, not continued fighting on top of the tank's corpse. SSHM has mechanics that trigger on the healer specifically when the healer is ressing. Imagine if the healer resses on top of all of you and then gets an aoe because of it. Only now instead of just targetting the healer, it's on everyone.

>>147665962
Just ask for someone to fap with here, they can look at your character and you theirs. You can even talk dirty if you want, don't have to go into full erp.

>>147666860
>>147666989
It was the first boss.

>>147665962
What server are you trying on? On MT it can be a considerable effort, but depending on who you're trying to convince, most of CH probably wouldn't be too difficult, you'd just need to make a move.

>>147669854
Yeah this slut knows what she's talking about. I've seen her get railed like eight different times.

>>147608445

A lot of male humans IRL seem to enjoy playing a female character on MMORPGs. To most people this would be a sign of being queer or something similar, but when confronting a player who does this, they'll usually counter with something along the lines of; "I don't wanna sit around watching a guys ass move all day" or "I just want sum eyecandy". Is this really a desire for some softcore porn? Or is it a cry for a sex change? Do you ever hear of girls playing as guys on MMORPGs? As a matter of fact, have you ever heard of a girl playing as any kind of character on a MMORPG? Only the morbidly obese, and underage emos.
The alternative is that the player has a god complex -- usually evident to the player -- which causes them to create characters that act as a controlled underling rather than a digital version of the player. This likely comes from failing at real life, so someone will pay, even if that person is their own creation within someone else's creation.

>>147670141
You don't even know who I am

>>147670203
Plenty of females play male characters. Join a raiding guild, or rp guild that uses voice chat. It happens on both sides. Stop coming to your own conclusions based on nothing more then conjecture.

>>147670340
Yes I do, you slut.

>>147670796
Anon I don't think you even know who you are

>>147670879
No, I know exactly who you are, N. You would know about CH sluts.

>>147671043
N? Nobody knows who that is, anon you're making a fool of yourself and your so called knowledge of people on CH

>>147671216
GO TO BED NYUREI.

>>147670657
You're still sexually confused though.

>>147671343
>implying

>>147670203
Post butt.

>>147671389
>I love cock
I don't think I am very confused on that.

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>>147670203
>projecting this hard

>>147668303
Then yes the DPS should have moved him elsewhere. Pahoegar has a ton of abilities that near enough 1-/2-shot healers, rezzing through that is a suicide mission.

>>147670203
I think most girls play Elin in TERA, simply because it's an anime character.

People like to dress up cute girls. Or to create a soft porn character.
Outside of TERA, it's not uncommon for girls to play male characters, but I think the majority still play female characters.

>>147670203
I play elin, also I'm not morbidly obese or emo. I just enjoy the cuteness of it. I've met other women in-game and most played female characters. Still haven't met one playing a male character, not sure what all these other posters are saying.

I'm sure it's possible though, just extremely rare.

>>147670203
>Gender-locked classes
Male Amani Brawler when

I would like to ERP with someone, but only if we act shy around each other and maybe confess one month from now. Then maybe we can hold hands.

Anyone interested?

MALE

AMANI

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>Tomorrow we get new content, nerfs and buffs
Can't wait.

>>147675635
>brawler shit
>lancer GOAT

im fucking HYPED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzQBOBoPg04

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>>147676434
>falling in love
Just embrace being a cumdump anon.

In diamond matches.
Does red buff always have that insane regen buff? How can red side even lose?
It's 30% extra hp, it's huge.

>>147678448
You definitely know from last night... watching another cumdump in action ;)

Hey guys so, I want to buy skins and outfits for my gunner and ninja, what's the best, most efficient way to do this? I'm just level 10 so I don't have any gold, basically I'm gonna buy emp. Should I buy it from the boxes from the store, broker it, or are there better way to get what I want cheap? I promise to model for you when I get what I want.

>>147678761
Cock rival.

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>>147679058
There's a few ways

1) You can buy the boxes yourself and hope you get lucky
This is NOT ideal because the boxes are designed for this type of thinking, you're more likely to spend more than its worth getting the costume. People who make profit off of doing this are doing it at a very, very high rate of opening so it evens out.
You CAN get lucky though, if you want to risk it, I don't recommend it.

2) Sell boxes/other EMP things
Doing this you can get more than EMP is worth but you have to be very patient and it would take probably at least a week to sell all of your stuff, sometimes more, and if what you sell suddenly depreciates in value you can lose gold doing it.

3) Just sell the EMP
This is the safest way but it means you'll be paying the exact price of the costume, for better or worse.
Simply either advertise you want to sell EMP or wait until you see someone buying EMP. Keep an eye out for the going rate on your server. You might want to make sure you know before you buy so you know how much you'll need for the costume you want. When you find a buyer, they just tell you what you want, verify with them before purchasing the items, then trade them for the gold they offered.
As a tidbit, CH's going rate for EMP is 1:35 on average but it goes up to 1:40 if you're patient enough to find a buyer for that rate. For $100 that's either 420,000 gold at 1:35 OR 480,000 gold at 1:40.

Good luck anon! Also you should buy the colorful cat club costume because it's simply the best!

>>147679860
hello pet

>>147679058
depends, what are the outfits and skins that you want to buy?

you should check broker first and see what it's price is in gold, if it's cheap or below say, 100k, then buy EMP and sell said emp to get the gold value to buy off of the broker

>>147679931
I'm no ones pet

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>>147679860
Thanks anon, that was very useful. I'm going to go with the safer option and just sell them EMP. Oh are there any pros to having EMP over gold by the way, more than just being able to purchase items from the actual store?

>>147680140
Shadowlaced Gunblack or regular gunblack if people don't sell that :( and a ninjagi outfit. I'm on MT, do you have and idea of if I'd be able to buy those?

>>147681506
you will be able to buy them on MT through the broker for a fair price, yeah

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>spent 165$ in the past week without realizing it
>i'm currently appealing the purchases since I never saw any popups to confirm a purchase
>also Islam.Girl in /area chat offends me
>eme will reply saying tough shit
>mfw I'll be banned when they refund it
It's been a good year or so, but time's change. I chose to purchase elite myself rather than spend gold I needed for +15ing an alt, but... yeah. Whatever.

I should've been more careful clicking stuff I might want to buy... but never having a confirmation button really fucked me over.

>>147681506
I'm not 100% sure that I get what you mean about EMP having any advantages but I don't really think so.

I mean, EMP can be used to purchase server transfers, and only EMP can be used for that, I guess account mounts too, but other than that I can't really think of anything that you can get from EMP that you can't get from gold/just buying EMP from someone else with gold.

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Hello /terag/

Good night /terag/

>Growing Fury
>Reduced Power and Crit Factor from 50 to 30.
can brawlers still compete?

>>147681749
G-good night binary.

>>147681854
Don't think I'm in a bad mood, It's simply late, the night is too short~

>>147681654
Really? I've been scrounging for the gunblack and literally no luck...
would anyone be able to tell me how much a Shadowlaced gun goes for? I was reading how people spend over like $200 for it

>>147681735
Yeah it was a silly question. Thanks anyway!

>>147681749
Night~

>>147681817
They're still ok at tanking.

>>147678714
Only the BAMs exclusive to Platinum matches (Vedilith, Terkasia, etc) get auto-regen, regardless of red/blue side. This is balanced by the fact that they don't have a super move that automatically triggers at <30% HP like the regular BAMs.

>>147681941
i'm not in game at the moment, but look up shadowlaced smart box and you should be able to find some? the smart box is a thing that you use to make the item inside class specific

>>147681817
That's barely even 2% crit rate. It's a nerf sure but brawler isn't going anywhere

>>147682545
Ahhhhh it's 176k. I may just go with the normal gunblack, won't be able to by any outfits otherwise

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dead thread, dead game

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*plays gunner

>>147687364
post elins

>>147687364
ddos-es your hardware. "what?"

>>147687649
post erp drama

ERPanons, what is your weakness? If someone came up to you and wanted to ERP you but they were a stranger, what's the quickest way they could convince you?

>>147688361
Having huge tits

>>147688361
Appealing to one of my fetishes

>>147689237
Such as...?

Namedrop your favorite elin dead or alive.

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>>147688361
my weaknesses would be...
>big thighs
>submissive (or tsundere)
>fetish appeal (bullying, abuse)

>>147688361
I love it when they wear a pirate outfit and say "Ey m80, tis time for you to plunder my booty~"

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>>147689335
Zolyn

>>147689335
Lico

Quick post the thickest Elin thighs you've seen.

>>147689330
Are you just trying to appeal to /terag/? That seems like a big waste

What if the new Iron Man was a black woman? Oh, wait.

Do we have any black elins to celebrate?

hey terag, what do i dump my KS / bellicarium credits into if i'm maxed out on them and don't want starfall?

>>147689480
Zolyn was one of the worst points in the story though, at least for those not into bitchy lesbians

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>>147689480
This worries me

>>147689790
You can't have a black Elin, closest you get is a dusty color

>>147690089
Post butt

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>>147690396
There's tons of my butt in the last thread

>>147689712
No I have my own preferences and won't alter them for /terag/ but I'm curious, and the question is literally asking what fetish you have so replying "fetishes" is pretty silly

What kind of milk do you like /terag/? "Milk"

>>147688361
mcasts
oral
actual females
embarrassment
teasing

so is Brawler going to get gutted next patch or will it just be on par with Lancer and not have ridiculous DPS higher than most vanilla DPS classes
I really don't want to have to tell my friend that the Brawler he's working so hard to level right now is going to be useless tomorrow

>>147691434
it's literally getting two nerfs and the only real harm that's done is PvP based, where they're still ridiculous anyway.

>>147691074
>mcasts
>actual females

? ? ???

>>147692908
the two don't have to be exclusive anon, i just don't want to have to fuck a little girl with a dick or in general futa 99% of the time

>>147693014
i don't understand it but alright

>>147691434
i literally got a level 65 brawler 2 days.
feels bad man.

>>147608445
so I just hit 65 and have no idea what's left for me to do. Like I got that free armor set but no idea where to go from there.

>>147693642
Follow the 65 quests, they're designed to gear you up and put you on the track of doing harder dungeons, though in general the game is shit at explaining things to you and you should consider finding a guild that will take you on dungeon runs

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>>147693642
First you're going to need alot of gold to buy tier 8 feedstock and alkahest. The starting 65 gear needs to be, I think, 3 items +12 and another +6 to get ilvl for the 397 dungeon.

Which needs the same amount of +12 to get to the next.

And again, and then again for hard modes.

This isn't WoW where a new upgrade is instantly better. The drops you'll be getting when you get +12 stuff will be a lower ilvl than what you have at +12, but they have a higher ilvl cap once they are +12'd, which allows you into the next dungeon.

>>147693556
There's nothing really to feel bad about. Brawlers were so fucking retarded OP when they came out that they practically ruined several aspects of the game with their existence, and caused some long standing lancers who had tanked for years reconsider even playing.
Now brawlers are getting slowly put in line, lancers will be better for people to bring to groups as a tank in general but I kid you not brawlers are still so fucking broken that they'll be taken just to help cheese mechanics.

You're safe playing brawler, maybe they'll be a bit less cancerous to the rest of the game, but you'll be fine.

>>147695075
man if lancers weren't so fucking boring, hard, slow and boring i would play a lancer.

how are warriors after the patch? worth?

>>147695391
>lancers
>boring
>hard
>slow
I mean lancers might be hard when it comes to the groind area, but slow and boring?
shit son get out of here

>>147695391
Better than they are right now, but still not very good.

Play it if you want, but don't expect to be very useful.

>>147695521
>attack
>block
>keep aggro
>attack
>block
>keep aggro
>attack
>block
>keep aggro
also its so much responsibility to keep your DPSes away from the aggro and certain death on endgame dungeons.

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>>147695391
If lancer is a turtle and brawler is a tiger... Warrior is that annoying mosquito you try to swat at but it gets away every time. It keeps your attention while it's around, but it's largely an annoyance.

>>147695673
>attack
>block
>keep aggro
wow its every tank (even brawler) in a nutshell simply epic anon

>>147695521
I can sympathize with him on that, lancer should be real fun but the fact you only use like 5 skills outside of long CD ones is kinda boring.

>>147695763
>>147695564
>Warrior is that annoying mosquito you try to swat at but it gets away every time. It keeps your attention while it's around, but it's largely an annoyance.
well that sucks.


>>147695789
as a brawler i just retardedly hit my abilities that block for me , i do so much damage aggro stays on me naturally and sometimes i just manually block.


Lancer is not retard friendly is what i mean.

>>147695391
Worth? No. People still play them because they like to though. If you're thinking "oh crap I have to find something else to play besides brawler", don't. Let me reiterate things just a bit.

When brawler came out, I nearly caused a guild lancer to quit the game just because I wanted to play with them but I would overtake their threat in a few attacks with very basic gear. That's how bad they were.
Now brawlers are getting minor nerfs here and there to bring them back in line. They've been one of the best dps classes, and they're tanks, its entirely reasonable for them to get dps nerfs.

However they aren't getting nerfed into oblivion. The thing that people are talking about is that they're getting nerfed while lancers are getting buffed. Lancers FINALLY get to have a buff that will benefit their whole group so they can say "hey I'm useful, bring me instead of a brawler that has massive dps"
I mean, if you were a lancer, wouldn't that feel almost degrading?

So here's the thing. You asked about warrior. Warrior is one of those classes that people still play because they like it even if it's not the best. Brawlers can do the same thing, brawlers can play and have fun even if they're not the best anymore. You know what the difference is?
Brawlers are still part of the meta. People will still always WANT to have a brawler in their DS uppers runs.
People don't WANT to bring warriors, they just do, because that's what friends do for each other.

Fuck any brawlers that get upset over this nerf. Most probably don't know half of what classic classes have gone through over the course of this game.

>>147696024
i'm asking about warriors because a Warrior was my first character and for actual years(i quit and come back for short periods of time) heard they were useless.

I made the brawler because after finally reaching 65 on my warrior i wanted an easy grind.


But basically if you want to be a warrior to have to commit, sounds rough.

>>147696227
>Sounds rough
That's the motto for all classic classes unfortunately. Sorcerer will be getting buffs and will probably take a leap up the DPS rankings by the looks of how good their buffs seem to be, but inevitably someone who just started playing the game when gunners came out or something will be like "oh no I'm playing the 5th best dps now what ever will I do"
- they say while using a 5 button rotation while sorc plays a symphony of spells just to achieve the same numbers, and most won't because the class is so difficult to beginners and you practically have to research them to know what's best to use

>>147694731
Post butt, slut.

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>>147697010
If you want~

>>147697096
Good girl

How do you handle crippling depression /terag/?

>>147699486
Fap

>>147699486
By involving myself with likeminded people I enjoy being around.
Sadly those are few and far between and they tend to disappear faster than I can gain them.

>>147699486
Some days are better than others. I'll probably kill myself soon.

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>>147699486
Turning yourself into a cum craving slut. Taking any cock that comes along. Let yourself fall into the lustful bliss.

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>>147699486
work myself to death so pain overtakes the depression

>>147699812
And yes this is directed at a certain person who probably isn't even here anyway.

>>147700804
Just kill yourself already.

>>147700857
What?

>>147700857
>>147700804
lads you are going to die anyway, at least try to enjoy what little time you have left

>>147701001
No doubt about that.
Pretty sure this guy has me confused with someone else though, not like the person I'm talking about would still be in this place, kinda rude desu.

Be a good little elin and retire in hungry cavern.

>>147701237
Nope, I'm just a passerby who after reading your post felt the need to tell you to kill yourself, nothing more.

>>147701367
Fair enough, your request has been taken into consideration.

>>147689480
>Start playing this game thinking Elins are gonna be the cute little mascots who never get harmed.
Boy was I wrong.

>>147699812
Like-minded as in also depressed all the time? Because that would be overwhelmingly sad to be around.

>>147701351
That doesn't seem like something a good elin would want to do.

>>147701872
Well, no, I don't try to make my existence based around being depressed, though generally it just comes bundled with the type of person I like to be around.

>>147701983
What kind of person do you like to be around then?

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>men will never be this kawaii in TERA

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>>147700363
Can't say I didn'y try, pussy instead of cock though, with the rare futa cock here and there.

>>147699812
It feels so good when it happens but just hurts so much when they leave. I'm kind of a hermit lately.

>>147700310
No, never give up

>>147700435
I could try this I guess.

>>147699647
Momentary peace, the a reflection on the universe, if it is with someone ot helps a lot though you have feelings for it does help.

>>147702231
what gamu

>>147702050
I think it would give away a bit too much about me if I told you, I don't want people knowing who I am so I will just leave it there.
Byebye.

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Be honest /terag/ how are my sliders?

>>147702358
Sorry for prying then anon, I'm always curious about people

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>>147702242
>grammar on that last paragraph
G-goodnight

>>147702505
post butt

>>147702671
You'll have to find me yourself.

>>147702242
>No, never give up
Thanks, but you don't even know me, anon. Good luck with your problems though.

>>147702505
You're basically playing my ninja.

I'm not the best judge of sliders, especially not with that screenshot and not from my phone, but they seem relatively okay. In the end you liking it is what matters. A few things I'd question -
Eyes seem slightly disproportionate but that might just be the normal amount that face has, hard to tell.
Cheeks/jaw seem a bit big
Mouth smile looks overdone and maybe unnatural, but not bad

>>147702801
I'm not that guy, but why give up?
Genuinely curious what could be so bad in someones life to drive them to suicide, don't you have people to help you out? Or are you the type to disregard others when you get like that.

I ask because even though I definitely understand what it's like to want to kill yourself, I've found it's quite easy to alleviate the feeling just by talking to people.

>>147702805
The eyes might be a bit off, I'm not really sure.
As for cheeks and jaw, I'm mostly sure I had both of these set to a low value if not the lowest. I didn't save my sliders unfortunately so I have no way of knowing.

>>147702801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE&app=desktop

A very sweet person showed this to me when I was an edgelord, you're right, I don't know you but people I barely even knee encouraged me when I was rude to them.

>>147702989
The cheeks/jaw are probably fine it's just that face's jaw looks awkward. Also I take back the thing about the smile, its fine.

>>147702970
I know you're just curious and trying to help. I appreciate it. But I've tried talking to enough people already. In my experience it is not a long term solution or even a very good solution, because the feelings of hopelessness just come back the next day, and when you talk to people about your depressing feelings often enough, eventually those people will start avoiding you. Depression is a sickness that spreads. I've seen it happen before. Lived it, even. Attitudes are contagious.

Life doesn't get better, anon. We're slowly deteriorating and waiting for our health to fail or for something to break. We're all going to have to get jobs that suck up our spare time. Some of us will get married and have families and houses and debt to shackle us into one place forever, while others will grow old and die alone, possibly starving to death in a shack when working becomes impossible due to old age. Labor, disease, the gradual wearing down and aches and pains of aging, are all inevitable. To me, none of that seems worthwhile. Nothing good is on the horizon. This moment in my youth where I can play video games and shitpost on 4chan at 8:30 in the morning after a night of no sleep is but a sliver in a pie chart of misery that is my past, present, and future. Talking to people won't change my outlook on that. Medication might force some happy chemicals out of my brain until I'm thinking a different way, but the underlying ideas remain: an astounding majority of life consists of suffering. I don't want to deal with another 50 years of this shit.

What can you honestly say you're looking forward to, anon? What keeps you going?

>>147703102
The sentiment is appreciated, but I have seen that video many times before and it never had the desired effect.

>>147704151
I'm not that anon and I'm not here to convince you to live but you're really over stressing the bad in life. Like, I understand that depression makes you see things in a bad light but you're viewing things in a type of way like you saw some philosophical anon post and everything in you broke.

Yeah, ultimately our lives consist of getting a job so you can pay bills and live long for...reasons...but it's not like its all bad.

I work and I'm happier working than I am not. I wouldn't have said that when I was 18 and actively trying to avoid working because >muhh free time
But seriously, working is cool. Get you a job that doesn't make you hate your existence. Here I am at work right now and what am I doing? Posting on /terag/. Who says you have to stop doing any of what you like? It's not like that, some jobs suck but you move up in life until you get one that youre okay with, and then you can either stay there or try to go for something comfier. And at the end of the day when you're done and you sit down in your chair to go check up on your pixel waifus, you suddenly have money to buy things with. Fuck every hipster faggot who says "hurr money doesn't buy happiness". Money is fucking great. Spend it on the most useless shit for as long as you can and just revel in being able to spend your time at work by having a cooler waifu.

And then maybe one day if you're lucky you'll have your own little daughterfu and nothing in the world will make you happier than making sure every day is the happiest day of her life and that she will never end up depressed thinking there's no point to life.

If you can't take it and you see no reason, go ahead and do what you will but at least consider the good parts of life. Give things a chance before you say losing your free time would be the worst, try to see what you'd miss before you condemn everything as a waste.

>removing vanguard requests for timescape
>making KDHM slower
>making FI even easier
>made DF's deadly mechanics easy
>made everyone stronger and faster

What are they thinking?

>>147705002
BHS isn't known for their stellar decision making

>>147704780
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't want to share anymore and reveal my identity. Nice talking to you anon.

>>147704151
That's pretty grim my man, I am of course aware of this whole thing, I know everything's pointless, I won't try to tell you otherwise since you seem like the type of guy who doesn't buy into that shit.

What drives me is my desire to understand how the fuck humans and their brains work, it's honestly a pretty simple thing, I spend the majority of my time just talking to people, but on a conscious level, I'm talking to them more for myself than for them, I change what I say based on who I'm talking to and what I know about them, and observe their reactions, I try this on multiple people and if you'd ask all the people I know they'd probably each tell you I'm a completely different person.
Anyway, it's a weird obsession and the very few people I am completely and utterly honest with always seem to disappear, another thing that keeps me going is the hope that they will just come back, I don' tknow how long that hope will last but it's been years already for the longest one and just a few months for the most recent one.

What I'm saying is you really just need to find something that makes you want to live, makes you want to find out more. I understand that maybe not everyone has this same kind of desire to learn about a weirdly specific thing, but there just has to be something that you have not found.

And at the end of the day, if I feel like any of this is pointless, I can retreat to one of the many shitty internet communities I've become a part of and shitpost away my life for a few hours before falling asleep and forgetting about it.

>>147705152
And of course, I've been up a long time so if any of this sounds absolutely retarded, feel free to ignore it.

Notes are up.
http://tera.enmasse.com/news-page/patch-notes/patch-4503

What do you think? When it says "added more items to the drop list," I'm curious about what those items are.

>>147705152
Appreciate your response, anon. I've been awake all night. It's 9 am here. Sorry I couldn't say more.
>And at the end of the day, if I feel like any of this is pointless, I can retreat to one of the many shitty internet communities I've become a part of and shitpost away my life for a few hours before falling asleep and forgetting about it.
I feel a little bad because this is what I am doing right now. I'll probably wake up in the morning feeling just fine. No need to worry.

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>>147705336
There is nothing wrong with it, letting off steam anonymously in the form of ironic shitposting or even unironic discussion about depression usually helps me feel a little less like killing myself.

>>147705152
>>147705336
>make friends in a community
>be friends with them for years and years
>they then backstab me
>group breaks down
>we never met up
>all of our dreams mean nothing now
I guess this is fine.

>>147705094
I don't agree to disagree because I don't think you've tried any of what I said and you're actually thinking of killing yourself over the thought of what you have to face. That's a big deal man. I like to believe when you're dead you just..never exist or perceive anything ever again or in any form so based on that if you did kill yourself you probably wouldn't give a fuck afterwards but right now you're like "no I haven't done that stuff but I don't want to try it so instead I'll give up every possible opportunity I could ever have and every memorable, happy moment I could ever be a part of, because life doesn't matter"

The universe does not give a fuck about us. The entire human species as a whole has barely any impact on the universe as is, much less one insignificant lone human, so yeah if you get all philosophical our lives don't even count for anything. But you're silly if you do something completely irrevocable before trying to see what else there is.