/evn/ English Visual Novel General

>>147584391
Actually a new thread without killing the old thread?
A miracle! Next a /evn/ dev will actually finish a VN.

>>147584597
i was in a good mood after the recent string of shitposts tbqh

>>147584597
>Next a /evn/ dev will actually finish a VN.
Just watch me.

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>>147584597
And then the lonely gay devs will find their soulmate in /evn/!

>>147584778
VN dev dating sim when

So femdevs, are you actually gay, or is it just a phase because you think it makes you cool and special?

>>147585213
Being bi doesn't make me look cool and special, just desperate.

>>147585213
If I had a pussy each time got asked this question. I'd get a harem.

>>147585213
Anon, I'm fluid with my sexuality. I change it based on what makes me sound more special in whatever argument I'm causing.

>>147585362
What kind of bi are you?

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>>147585650
I bet that bicycle gets more pussy than you.

>>147584391
I just imagined this girl bald, and the size of her head terrifies me.

>>147587791
Fuck. Can't unsee. Why do people always forget basic anatomy? Even in moe blobs, there's some sort of guide on doing foreheads.

>>147588005
"Basic anatomy" regardless has become so overused in this thread it's become a meme at this point. This is reaching ulnar styloid levels where any slight mistake is the artist "not knowing basic anatomy".

Higurashi had characters with christmas hams for hands, this shit is beginning to sound like taking every excuse to disregard an entire game because "Oh shit, one character has a big forehead, my peepee will never be hard again."

>>147589323
An anatomical error could get jarring sometimes. Stylized art is understandable but even then, there are particular rules for it. Unless, "quality" is a meme now.

>>147587791
>>147588005
It's like this for most anime girls. The size of the head is huge, but the hair conceals that fact. It's only really noticeable here because her hairline is so high up.

I found a better negative review for Highway Blossoms from a lesbian who thought it was written by men and for men.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/berraquera/recommended/451760/

>>147589323
That ulnar styloid caused both mental and ocular trauma and had to be stopped.

>>147590895
Why do lesbians hate fluff yuri?

>>147590895
>it was written by men and for men
Is that a problem?

>>147591045
>>147591069
>The main character's motivation is mostly that she wants to protect the other girl, who is incessantly described by her innocence and child-like perspective. I've never been into yuri and thought these might be anime tropes that I'm unfamiliar with, so I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt, but all of my good will was exhausted even before the second sex scene ended in a fake climax.

>The reason I chose Highway Blossoms over another visual novel for my first foray into yuri was because of the American Southwest treasure hunt aspect. Unfortunately, there's barely any treasure hunting, and while you do learn about a couple of tourist attractions in the American Southwest, the adventure makes up very little of the game as opposed to the romance, which isn't good enough to compensate for the scarcity of plot.

>>147583321
It sounds like matching styles is more important in your VN, and by extension that'd mean you're doing the right thing by putting in that effort. Your audience mightn't consciously notice but the style of a VN's art, music, etc. will still influence how they feel and experience your work.

In the VN I'm doing BGs for the characters don't seem to be presented as though they're literally in the BG. It's more like "hey, this is the context you're in", with cut-ins for other stuff the MC might focus on. I'm also somewhat matching pre-existing art too.

Even if your BG art doesn't look good to you, remember that it doesn't need to stand alone. It exists in the context of the VN you're making, and can still have positive (if subconscious) benefits. It's telling the audience where they are and the art as a whole is coming across in a consistent style. Those two things together are good.

Go easy on yourself :)

>>147591289
Did you write this review?

Sounds like someone who isn't a weeb and obviously isn't into stories with weeb-ish character archetypes.

Anyway, I'm a lesbian and I personally enjoy most yuri "aimed at men". Apparently I have similar sexual tastes to men? Most gay girls I've heard say that just seem bothered it's not a super realistic story about being gay in real life and are they kind of people who want only strong womyn tumblr stories. Cute romance is nice sometimes.

>>147591623
>Did you write this review?
No, it's just currently the top negative review.

>>147591623
>I personally enjoy most yuri "aimed at men"
....Which is 95% of it.

>>147591362
Probably the most uplifting comment I've read in /evn/. You're a good anon.

>>147592307
And this is bad because?

>>147591623
>yuri aimed at men

This is shit insane feminists say because they personally dislike sex appeal and what to shame women who do like sex appeal.

Their ideal yuri is 80 episodes of gasping and staring at each other before one either dies or gets married to a dude.

>>147593146
This. They don't like women being sexualized in any way. If yuri games that have hot girls in sexy clothes are what constitutes "aimed at men", then bring on more of those please.

I'm gonna set all you motherfuckers straight

Naked girls are aimed at people who enjoy naked girls

Naked boys are aimed at people who enjoy naked boys

now shut the FUCK up and just recognize that highway blossoms is trash

>>147593639
What if I enjoy both?

>>147593720
Then you are bisexual you dumbass.

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>>147593639
I'll also add that yuri stories are relatively unpopular with men compared to yaoi with girls. This is because while most men enjoy seeing two chicks fuck when it comes to romance they usually would rather be able to self insert because they want be the one romancing and sticking their dick in their waifu. Which is understandable, if I had a dick I'd also want to stick it in my waifu. But because of that, out of het, yaoi and yuri, yuri is by far the most niche of the three. This is why you don't get a whole lot of yuri doujins and stories (that aren't basically moe SoL cuteness) out if Japan, and why in the West yuri productions tend to have a sizeable fanbase of bi/gay women. Straight women will sometimes enjoy yuri just out of pure enjoyment of cute fluffy relationships too.

TL;DR Men don't even like "yuri aimed at men" all that much.

>>147593639
>highway blossoms
I-I liked goofball mode.

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This is the best yuri. Prove me wrong.

>>147594985
i like a challenge, so i raise you this; no ass licking yet

>>147594985
What do girls even do with butts?

>>147595260
Anything you can do with an ass that doesn't involve a penis.

>>147594985

This and Prism. Too bad Prism was canceled. It's hard to have yuri with interesting conflict that isn't just ANNNGST like Citrus

>>147595414
>that doesn't involve a penis
What's the point?

>>147595425
yeah asian webtoons do fluffy yuri better at this point.

>>147595572
Well I'm not much of an ass person myself but touching them is pretty nice. Some people like to eat ass. Also some girls like being fucked in the ass, so lesbo girls might use a dildo in that case.

>>147593356
But anon don't you know women can't possibly have gross fetishes!!!!

Pfft. If only they knew how perverted old school yuri manga were. And those were the og yuri, gay women making gay mango for gay women.

I want to make a eroge about a male teacher pursuing a naive male student among other characters. What's the best way to make this game?

>>147596447
Get off 4chan and start working on it you lazy shit, that's the best way.

>>147596447
Become a gay male teacher that pursues male students, then write about your experience.

>>147596659
I know nothinf about teaching. Without being a teacher, how do I found out what being a teacher is like?

>>147596784
There's this really amazing tool they invented. All you need to do is type in a few words and you will find millions of results to help you research almost any topic. It's called "google". You should check it out sometime.

>>147596784
It's like being a student, but you have less tolerance to noise (fucking brats yelling everywhere. How come it doesn't give them headaches, are they retarded or just deaf?).
You repeat the same lesson for a bunch of different classes. Kids expect you to remember their 120 names after a week because they remember yours. About a 20% of your students are nice and smart people you really care for, but you rarely can give them attention because you are expected to babysit the other morons.
Grading tests is a royal pain in the ass. Also, you have to deal with a lot of nonsensical reunions whith other teachers where they moan about problems that would remain unsolvable until the day they grow a spine and fucking do something about it. But they never do.
Fortunately where I live parents are not too retarded (yet, the percentage grows every year), Most still react when you tell them to do something about their kid being a jerk, but a few will try to sue you over literally nothing. Oh, and if you happen to be female, some will even try to hit you.
And that is factoring the lack of guns in my country, and the fact that I work in a middle class high school, with little to none problem with immigration, gangs and all that shit you see in americlap movies.

>>147599846
I want to take someone there and hug_ them.

>>147599846
Looking great so far. W/c game?

>>147599846
Needs some more textures or filters or something, looks like a cheap FMV adventure game like that.

>>147594985
Clearly Yuri made by men for men. Sweet innocent girls are not capable of sexualizing others in that way.

You know what? I think I figured out the problem. The girls writing those reviews are so fucking ham ugly or opinionated that they never have any sexual encounters or relationships. So it seems alien to them that girls could be like that. If only they met some of the girls I've met in my life...

>>147595941
>Well I'm not much of an ass person myself

Fuck off.

>>147604462
Tits > Ass, accept it.

>>147604573
>plebs, plebs everywhere.jpg

I'm leaving for a little bit, don't let the thread die.

>>147604395
t. raithfyre

>>147604809
I can't find it now but there's a graphic that shows almost all first world countries prefer tits and mostly third world shitholes are majority ass. Tits are for the thinking man.

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>>147601817
W/c?

>>147606013
But what if asses are actually fake tits all along? They don't even have nipples.

>>147606192
Psycho-Pass season 2

Can any kind, programming inclined soul tell me why at_list doesn't recognize 'size'? Doesn't matter if the s is capitalized or not, renpy still tells me that the global name 'size' is not defined.
renpy.show(sprite, at_list=[Position(xpos = x, xanchor= x, ypos= y, yanchor= y), size(h, w)])

>>147607483
I'm using this in a function within an init python block, if that matters.

>>147607483
this may be a very stupid piece of advice, but have you tried defining size in an earlier init (like init -100) before running the function?

>>147607483
Maybe 'size' is not defined, but 'width' and 'height' are?

>>147608256
I'm learning as I go along, so I wouldn't really know if that's a stupid piece of advice or not, but according to renpy's documentation, at_list should be able to take any expression at can, which would include size. Like Position, it shouldn't need to be defined.

>>147608820
Unfortunately no. I've also tried scale. They all give me the same error message.

>>147610237
But he has a bag of blood right on the table. What a greedy bastard.

>>147594697
There are men who love yuri aimed at men. Particularly the men who are really, really into Pure Yuri (the kind where they never have sex) because they hate themselves and wish they could be a pure innocent little girl forever.

Most actual lesbians I know find this shit pretty frustrating.

Men aren't all the same.

>>147607483
Try this. Make a transform:

transform my_size(w,h):
size (w,h)

then use that in your at_list=[my_size(w,h), Position(xpos = x, xanchor= x, ypos= y, yanchor= y)]

>>147607483
I'm not familiar with the particular code you're using - is size actually a function?

>>147610606
Things in yuri that are assumed to be aimed at men:

- no sex ever (purest form of love)
- too much sex (fetish porn)
- girls who only ever love once (purity fag)
- girls who have had multiple relationships (which means they're sluts so guys think they have a chance)
- sweet moe girls dressed in school uniforms
- skanks dressed in ways you'd be embarrassed to be seen in public
- no bisexuals
- bisexuals
- anything a particular reader doesn't like

It's not just yuri fans though, a lot of people will assume anything they find personally dubious is obviously gross pandering to their enemies.

Random game idea:
Very active and aggressive pink haired, overweight feminist finds out that she is actually infatuated with men. This whole time, she was fighting her own insecurities. Love interests include a tsundere MGTOW advocate, men's rights activist leader, a neo nazi redneck from the south, two sizable black brothers, and a nerd who works part time at a doughnut shop.

If you want to use this idea it's free. Don't worry about crediting me.

>>147610629
Renpy accepts this, so it looks like I did have to manually define it after all, but now the sprite no longer appears when I implement it.

Maybe I should just post the function and what I'm using to call it in case any incredibly kind and patient soul is willing to tell me what I'm doing wrong and how dumb I am.
init -1 python:
def showSprite(x, y, sprite, h, w, t):
global movement_minutes = 0 #including global gives me a syntax error. can't figure out why it doesn't want me to reassign the value. Is global even needed to properly reassign the value of this variable?
renpy.transition(dissolve)
renpy.show(sprite, at_list=[Position(xpos = x, xanchor= x, ypos= y, yanchor= y), my_size(h,w)]) #the sprite doesn't appear when I include my_size. Sprite will otherwise appear in the upper left, regardless of what I pass to Position
if movement_minutes >= t: #will need some way to be able to pause this if the player starts a conversation
renpy.transition(dissolve)
renpy.hide(sprite) #the sprite does not hide properly

and the call:
$ showSprite(900, 600, "aiga", .5, .5, 5)

>>147610801
It was under the list of transform properties and a friend of mine said it would work, but I guess not.

>>147611942
>"All she needed was a good dicking to set her straight!" as secondary title.
What could possibly go wrong?

>>147611942
Your biting satire arouses me. Truly, you are a god among devs.

>>147612226
I'm not sure why you're creating your own functions to begin with, it's hard to tell if you know enough about this sort of thing to have any hope of making sense of code (and as you notice, pasting code here doesn't work well, all your whitespace has disappeared)

Where are you getting the information that Position and size are functions? There's a note in the RenPy code that there USED to be a Position function years ago, but it's long since deprecated and replaced by ATL.

Are you being fed random snippets of code by people who last used the program ten years ago, rather than starting from the beginning and looking things up as they currently exist?

>>147612226
>Renpy accepts this, so it looks like I did have to manually define it after all,
No, it's just that you're trying to use things that don't exist in the first place. Since they don't exist, unsurprisingly they don't work.

>global movement_minutes = 0 #including global gives me a syntax error. can't figure out why it doesn't want me to reassign the value. Is global even needed to properly reassign the value of this variable?

What on EARTH are you trying to do?

If you want to modify a global variable in a function you need to declare it at top, but do you actually want a global variable here, and if so, why?

Your code doesn't make any sense, and I keep feeling like it would be more useful to encourage you to use actual renpy commands instead of trying to write your own in python.

>>147612248
I think people would buy this just to see a feminist scum get dicked straight.

>>147612873
but... most feminists are straight. plenty of them are cockthirsty. have you never met a woman?

>>147612873
You'd be better off just making a Gor game. Then the stupid whiny feminists who get dragged in from Earth and made into sex slaves for True Men are at least hot.

I could recommend titles if you want to read the books.

>>147612974
>have you never met a woman?
I don't hang around feminists. Is there something you want to confess? Scum?

>>147594985
>Prove me wrong.
Has cheating later on. That makes it bad.

>>147613535
>implying its cheating when she still faps to it

>>147613086
>Scum?
No, I'm not an artist

>dat feel when nerdy lesbian will never worship my butt and fuck me in public restrooms

>>147613607
What did you just said to me.

>>147613596
Not all cheating is NTR, but all NTR is cheating. Otherwise it's just cuckoldry.

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Is this character acceptable for a mainstream VN? Why or why not?

>>147613765
I know I've been doing this too long when I immediately recognize the artist.

I don't see any problem with it.

>>147613654
>tfw no butt

>>147613765
Fucking furry.
But you can make furry games if you want to, it's not my job to stop it.

>>147613917
Good, people here are degenerate enough to know what Kemono is, right? So I have a choice of making a character like that, or just having them be the run of the mill human with animal ears and tail. I'm not sure the Western audience is ready to delve in that far. The hatred for anything with fur runs deep in the west. I don't know how big of a risk it would be to use a character like this.

>>147613998
The majority of the characters are generic humans that everyone loves don't worry.

>>147613765
Art is adorably cute. I'm sure you won't have any problems with that kind of art.

>>147614090
Yes, but it is also cartoony enough to get a pass.

>>147613765
It depends. If she gets porked in the game, yes it's furry territory.

>>147612564
I'm creating this because I'm going to have a lot of sprites fading in and out at different locations and sizes, for varying lengths of time. If I can get a function to do that for me, it would save me a lot of time and effort.
I'm learning as I go along with the help of a friend and a lot of looking things up. It's a very trial and error process that's been working out for me reasonably well until I attempted this. I know it's not the best method, but I'm doing what I can.

>>147612817
I defined that global variable beforehand. I was just unsure if it was something I needed to include within the function as well considering the sprite wasn't disappearing after a certain amount of time like I intended.

>>147610606

Ask someone what "Yuri aimed at men" actually means and you get two conflicting answers, one where they never have sex, or one where they do have sex. Either way it's the dumbest argument to make because the meaning changes constantly depending on who makes it.

>>147614435
Yeah, it's just a lame term people use to try and declare that any yuri they don't like isn't REAL yuri and their own tastes are superior.

If you don't like skanky tramps in your yuri, better to just say that, instead of making out that it's obviously for men.

>Write something you think is great
>Read it the next day
>What is this!?!

>>147616271
This game looks comfy

>>147616775
story of my fucking life

>>147617572
I write a bunch of script a few days ago. I read it the day after I wrote it, and just deleted it all out of frustration. You always hear professional authors claiming that writing is a constant struggle. I'm starting to understand little by little. It's like the writing version of flipping your image for an artist. It looks fine, but when you flip it you notice the problems. Only to avoid this you can constantly flip your image while you make it. What is the writer's fix for that? Just get better? Take constant breaks and then go over what you wrote with a super critical eye?

>>147616775
>write fluffy event
>really nice and shows a bit of char development for two heroines.
>it's a much needed breather between the heavy world building and darker plot-advancement bits
>feel mentally drained because can't stop editing it until it's perfect, yet I feel like I'm wasting time and not making progress fast enough
Fuck daily word count target, I'm going back to being irregular. At least that way I didn't hate my life so much.

>>147613765
It's furry, but still cute enough to appeal to people who don't like furry. If she had a noticeable snout that might put people off, but as it is she looks like a regular catgirl with a couple extras. Also by the outfit, I'm guessing it's a fantasy setting? Animal races are par for the course in that sort of thing.

>>147618184
>appeal to people who don't like furry
Awesome, that's my goal.

Setting is indeed going to be fantasy with different humanoid races. I just don't want to put people off from the character just because she has fur.

>>147593146
>Their ideal yuri is...before one either dies or gets married to a dude.
That's the opposite of what most yuri fans want.

>>147617862
I usually think my base writing is fine (though I'll often delete chunks that I think drag the pacing down too much, since I ramble a lot in my first drafts), but I can get really nitpicky and polishing, tweaking word order in sentences, editing similes, etc...
I find writing the first draft relatively painless, since I just write whatever, but editing it afterwards takes a long time, and editing doesn't feel 'creative' enough it's also not very rewarding.

>>147594697
My personal experience tells me that your TL;DR isn't correct. It also feels like half of the evn devs that make yuri games are guys. And a ton of guys bought games like Sakura Dungeon.

>>147618610
It's not like most people making statements about "this is what MEN like" or "this is what INSANE FEMINISTS like" actually have any idea what the groups in question want

Though in the case of 'before one dies or gets married' statements, I think the reason that issue comes about is that the most popular and mainstream yuri couples tend to also be the ones who never got beyond subtext or died horribly. Therefore, some people think that subtext is what yuri fans really want. In truth, it largely goes the other way - lesbian pairings in mainstream culture (therefore the ones that are best known and have the most shippers) tend to go horribly wrong.

>>147618868
>It also feels like half of the evn devs that make yuri games are guys
Probably true. population surveys on /u/ usually come out half-and-half too. There are guys involved, there are also girls involved. Take your pick.

>>147604573
>Tits are life, ass is hometown.
Is a very wise saying from a man who worked on Senran Kagura.

>>147619031
A wise loli once said.
Thighs and ass. Tits not required.

>>147618878
Except if you look at every series /u/ likes, it's subtext heavy shows. Every single series where there's an actual confession and sex involved they shit on it as yuri for guys.

What they want and what they say they want don't typically agree with each other unfortunately.

>>147619150
Again. The most mainstream shows are the ones that go least explicit, so they have MORE fans.

There are /u/ fans who will shit all over the subtexty ones and /u/ fans who LOVE the explicit ones and recommend them vigorously.

/u/ is not a hive mind with only one opinion.

>>147619150
I like 'subtext heavy romance' a lot not just in yuri, but in yaoi and het stories too... There's something more appealing about a relationship that sits in this murky 'will they get together or will they not?' area, since it leaves more room for interpretation and doesn't fall into the 'they kiss, they're together, that's the end of the story' trope. If other people like subtext-heavy yuri, I imagine it's for similar reasons - because it allows the reader more freedom of thought, and people have a tendency to like things they cannot have...

But since a lot of yuri stories are very subtext-heavy, without explicit confessions, I imagine it must get irritating after a while. Even if there are subtext-heavy het 'romances' that don't capitalise on the BxG/GxB relationship, I think this would be more widely forgiven just because there is more BxG/GxB media out there to choose from and consume, unlike yuri.

>>147619150
/u/ thinks Kindred Spirits is the best thing ever, and it's not subtext. (Also not an anime, but that's beside the point.)

>>147619150
There aren't that many explicit /u/ series to begin with. They like explicit series like Strawberry Panic and Kannazaki no Miko. Even very fetish yuri like Shoujo Sect is popular there.

>>147619537
That's part of the appeal of stuff like Yuru Yuri. There's a bunch of pairings and everyone is shipped and teased so heavily, but no individual pairing ever quite becomes canon. Done right, this whips up the fanbase and keeps them imagining dozens of different ways it could all work out.

To some degree this is part of why Ranma 1/2 was SO astoundingly popular in the early internet fanfiction world. Every character has multiple believable romantic conclusions, so it really got the fandom going, arguing for their favorites and proposing ever-stranger solutions to the love spaghetti.

>>147619150
You seem to be ignoring how much they recommend the Sono Hanabira H-OVA with Mai/Reo.

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We //u/vn/ now.

>>147621136
Good, write me some more damned games. Where's my chuuni yuri? When do I get to bang a hot lesbian villain and try to redeem her with the power of love only to have us both die together to save the world?

>>147621136
Did we ever get an answer on whether the "sisters" from Razz's upcoming yuri game are related or not?

>>147621554
If you want chuuni yuri you're best bet is Shadows of Pygmalion, which will probably come out in English this year. The only other thing I can think of is Toko, but that's been delayed until next year.

Yuri is boring. Everyone needs dicks. /evn/ should be /dvn/ dick visual novels. Or visual novels with dicks.

>>147621554
I'm making a yuri where the characters are written as people. Not walking sjw panda rings or tumblrites, obviously. Those can't be considered people.

>>147621742
>gb2 /y/ / /otome games/

>>147621852
Some dick would teach you some manners.

>>147621742
Why not yuri with dicks

>>147621908
Is that even possible?

>>147621908
That's called futa if you're unfamiliar with the lingo.

>>147621997
Yes.
https://vndb.org/v11956

>>147621753
>I'm making a yuri where the characters are written as people.
Me too. Wanna play each others projects?

>>147622351
Sure man.

>inb4 we don't make it

>>147622236
Translation never

>>147621720
I know about Pygmalion but afaik it's only barely yuri and not nearly enough kissing. That's why I'm demanding you write me more games.

Toko sucks.

>>147623059
Some students were translating it, but their religious school confiscated their progress.

>>147623159
Complain that there's not enough of something, yet complain that everything that exists of it is shit. This is why nobody wants to make it, because the audience is bitchy.

>>147623542
Toko IS shit and has basically nothing to do with what I asked for, AND I bought it already. Pygmalion I'll buy when it comes out. I want MORE.

What the hell more do you want out of an audience than one that buys whatever shit you put out and keeps clamoring for it anyway?

>>147622456
I believe in you anon. We can both make it.

>>147623802
What sucks about toko?

>>147623973
It was released a year ago and the next chapter doesn't get released until next year. Bushido Bush was right.

The LI is a moron. Read JP's review for more info.

>>147623973
I had issues with the plot and pacing but it's been so long by now that I can't remember the details well enough to explain exactly. I just remember that it was going along okay and i was enjoying things, and then there was suddenly a whole new bunch of stuff with angels and witches happening that felt awkward and boring, and I can't even recall how it actually ended. That's not a very helpful statement but, again, I can't remember anymore

>>147624575
I'll help. Nadia agreed to train to become a witch. Her and Toko were being lovey dovey, then they kissed. That was the end.

>>147623973
Bad writing, non-characters.

>>147625712
You just described just about every evn.

>>147625801
If you think that's really the case, you should either read more EVNs or quit it altogether. To say Toko was even subpar in its writing is being generous.

>>147625929
Let's take Highway Blossoms as an example, since people keep saying that it's "not like those other vns".

The LI there is the typical childish airhead, the rival is a more extreme version of a tsundere, the little sister is a Rei clone, and Joe is the only sane man in the group, literally. Meanwhile, Amber is the typical angsting MC that gets better through the power of love.

>>147626198
>Highway Blossoms
>not like those other vns
Who said that? I see nothing but spite for it.

>>147625712
>>147625801
What exactly is bad about the writing? Is it cringey? Does it seem like a novice wrote it?

>>147626370
People reviewing the game on Steam and Raithfyre who helped make the game.

>>147626419
>Is it cringey? Does it seem like a novice wrote it?
That, as well as no direction. All interactions are ultimately meaningless.

>>147626198
Are you saying every character has to be perfect to be a good character? Or that you have to create a completely unique character for them to be acceptable? With all the characters out there, I doubt that's possible.

>>147626593
I can find you Steam reviews saying "not like other EVNs" for half the EVNs on steam. This doesn't even mean they're paid shills, in many cases it means "I've never played any other EVNs, but I hear they suck, and I enjoyed this one, so it must be different than the rest"

As for Raithfyre, I don't believe he ever said that about HB. The HRP team in general made a comment along those lines about HRP during its kickstarter.

>>147626593
>People reviewing the game on Steam
Granted.
>Raithfyre who helped make the game
Why bring that up? Would you use Black Sands guy's rants as a criteria for his game being innovative?

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Posting progress. Since Ben's sister ended up having a much bigger part in the final script, she ended up getting a sprite.

(the MC also got more expressions, since at times they didn't match the intensity of the text.)

>>147626419
It just feels rushed. The characters aren't really given time to develop before they're thrown into the next plot thread. The game jam version ended after the band was formed, while the Steam version continues on from there with the angel/witch plot. People who didn't even play the original were able to guess where the original ended, because of how tacked on and sudden the angel/witch plot was. They may have done that to set up where they wanted the next chapter to start, but it didn't do the introductory chapter any favors.

>>147626198
>characters can be aligned with tropes
This is true for almost all characters in all media, and shouldn't in itself be a matter for criticism. There is a semi-valid criticism if you see the exact same set of character tropes in multiple games, but you need to be able to identify the games that you're describing as too similar. You say "typical angsting MC that gets better through the power of love" but as I sit here trying to think of all the VNs I've played in the last year, I can't think of any other MC that matches what you're calling 'typical' here.

Which isn't to say that you're wrong, just that this isn't very useful criticism. Can you point to some other examples of works that you feel are Too Similar to highway blossoms?

>>147626675
They were cookie cutter and people called them original and relatable. It's like the people who played it don't even read VNs or watch anime.

>>147626753
He said that Highway Blossoms would be the best yuri evn of the year, knowing that there's alot of yuri evns coming out this year.

>>147627039
I meant media in general, not just VNs. The angsty/cynical character always seems to be cured by the power of love, usually with a naive/innocent character.

>>147627321
No, he did not. How many times do we have to debunk this shit before you stop repeating it? Do we have to add it to the OP, along with "SteamSpy includes bundle sales"?

>>147626864
Interesting style. Reminds me of Disney a bit.

>>147627982
Quite a lot of angsty characters AREN'T cured by the power of love.

Ones that are, yes, are often paired with someone more naive, because you generally want to provide contrast in a pairing, it creates more possibilities for discussion and interaction.

This still has nothing to do with whether the actual writing is bad or not. It's not relevant.

If it helps, I haven't played Highway Blossoms, so I don't have a personal stake in calling it good or bad to match my own opinion. I don't have an opinion yet.

>>147628142
>All in all, I'm pretty happy. I'm not saying Highway Blossoms is gonna be the best yuri EVN released this year, but I'm not saying it isn't.

That's basically him saying it.
https://twitter.com/raithfyre/status/707342784164794368

>>147628528
aka
>i dont have enough balls to publicly admit i think my project is hot shit so im gonna be a pussy and heavily imply it instead

I just finished Zero Time Dilemma and im interested in starting some of the Infinity games done by Kotaro Uchikoshi, but I have no idea where to find these games to download/patch.

Can a helpful anon point me in the right direction?

>>147628528
>>147628787
Sounds to me like he's just rambling. Like his train of thought is,
>I need to show them how happy I am with the release.
Then he just added words with no meaning. It's basically a comment that cancels itself out.

>I'm not saying I have icecream, but I i'm not saying I don't have icecream.

Just seems like random thought process text. Probably has little to no cocky feelings behind it.

>>147629000
google.com

>>147628528
Except it literally isn't. Again, do we have to have this conversation Every Fucking Thread?

He made a joking comment which translates to "I think my project is good." He definitely said that he thinks his project is good. He definitely did NOT say "My project is better than all the others," and it takes either illiteracy or a weird ax to grind to state otherwise.

>>147629000
Ask /vn/. We're not them.

>>147627039
>You say "typical angsting MC that gets better through the power of love" but as I sit here trying to think of all the VNs I've played in the last year, I can't think of any other MC that matches what you're calling 'typical' here.
Maybe not VNs, but this is like one of the standard (especially in het) romance novel plots.

But here's the thing: most readers don't want the game that revolutionizes the genre, just like most readers don't want weird literary fiction. They want the work they previously enjoyed, now with a new coat of paint and an air freshener.

>>147629304
Feels like you want to bring a little bit of /b/ to /evn/ to be honest.

I'm not going to say my last game is VN of the year.

Because that would be overly cocky, and the year isn't over yet anyway.

But I will say that it COULD be VN of the year. Because I think it's good, and on a reasonable par with other things that come out, so depending on who's judging, yeah, it could be the best VN of the year.

>>147629304
10/10
won't say it would be my favorite evn released this year, but i won't say that it isn't

>>147629512
There's nothing wrong with having confidence in something that you spent a lot of time and energy to create. In fact, I'd say it's normal behavior.

>>147629512
raithfyre
you're drunk
go home

>>147629503
Well, it's summer. Only good thing about it is threads will die less often.

>>147629862
I was just surprised. You don't see copypasta much in these threads.

>>147629503
What is /b/?

>>147630027
It's a parody game, so it's okay. My game's called Go Go Hollywood Celebrities :The Unauthorized Super Parody.

>>147630047
Backwards "\d\"

>>147629657
Not if you're a girl it's not.

>>147629657
Yeah, that on its own is no big deal. It's the Hideo Kojima of VNs part what makes me want to bully him.

>>147630205
Does that mean we get _inverted_ nipplecock?

>>147629304
one of my favorite pastas ever

>>147630484
>It's the Hideo Kojima of VNs part
Uguu?

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>>147630512
>_inverted_ nipplecock

>>147631512
What game is he from?

>>147631708
some Jane Austen adaptation

>>147610606
>>147610606
>>147610606
Did I say men were all the same? Of course yuri "aimed at men" is actually targeting men in their demographic. It's just a much smaller niche than yaoi is for women.

And why do they fucking care if men enjoy some crappy yuri series? Are they triggered because filthy pig men are appropriating their sexuality, and it's not allowed to make media about lesbians that might appeal to anyone other than lesbians? Are they worried a couple dumb weebs will think lesbians are jIust like in muh yuri manga? Who cares, it's stupid. There's all kinda of yuri, they can enjoy the kind they want and make more of it and leave people who like other types alone.

>>147632742
>And why do they fucking care if men enjoy some crappy yuri series? Are they triggered because filthy pig men are appropriating their sexuality, and it's not allowed to make media about lesbians that might appeal to anyone other than lesbians? Are they worried a couple dumb weebs will think lesbians are jIust like in muh yuri manga?
I think we've found the person who is actually triggered here.

Especially since all I said is that most actual lesbians I know are frustrated by yuri series where nobody ever has sex.

>>147632753
Russian mahou-shounen?

>>147632753
I thought squatnation didn't allow homos and trannies out of the closet, devs are now in Putin's death note

>>147618868
>reading the TL;DR instead of the whole thing
I just said yuri was a relatively small niche for guys, obviously there are still a size able amount into it. Compare that half and half to most yaoi communities.

If Highway Blossoms wasn't made by Alienworks, would this thread like it more?

>>147633090
>the other half of the world is sexually repressed. No homos, no porn, no light of the sun on a female's bare skin, no chinese cartoons either.
>feminists bitch about our half.
The irony.

>>147633090
Maybe he fights for their freedom.
>>147634138
There's plenty of no-porn-no-homo still to be found in the US, and while bitching on social media is pointless either way, being miffed about things going on that are near enough for you to actually DO something about them is more productive than just whining 'Waaaah IS throws gays off buildings, that's so mean!'

OBVIOUSLY that's a bigger deal than you not being able to go to Prom with your boyfriend, but you're not in a position to DO anything about Iraq!

>>147633992
It would still be a KN. Other than that one guy who was in raptures over OTHAFA, we're not usually their biggest fans.

>>147633992
Not really. I didn't see the characters or story as anything special, and without choices those things are all it really had going for it. Art was pretty good I guess. Music was mostly meh.

>>147636619
Orizon? Porizon? Why are there moonrunes in the title again?

>>147637153
Because the author is a shameless weeb, why else? Silly quesiton.

You really can tell when JP and Raithfyre are posting in this thread.

>>147637264
point them out please, I want to participate in bullying

>>147637445
Just watch whenever JP or Raithfyre are mentioned, they always compliment themselves.

>>147637750
Not even Tao does that as much. Sekai Defense Force is pretty bad too, but that might just be Raith.

>>147637750
I don't think I've ever read a single post complimenting JayPee on /evn/ ever, his general suckyness as a "journalist" is one point we all can agree on

>>147637750
>>147637874
Talking about him just makes him more popular.

>>147637874
/evn/ needs a VN critic that isn't a lazy shit like reviewman C or autistic like JP.

>>147638017
Yeah, someone who is not busy working on their own VN. Should be a bunch here alright.

>>147638017
anonl will rise from his 1000 years slumber and save /evn/ in its darkest hour

If you guys gift me VNs on steam I'll play every single one through to the end and review it.

>>147638418
how about you review some free ones first champ

>>147638841
I don't work for free, champ.

>>147637264
I don't think JP has _ever_ posted in this thread.

Raithfyre does sometimes though.

>>147638418
Sorry, you'd need friends in order to receive gifts.

>>147639053
What are you scared?

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>>147638932
You must be new mi amigo.

>>147639353
I'm a beast from before the dawn of time. I have always been here.

>>147638932
How can you tell? Unless _you_ are JP.

>>147639196
My friends list is full.

>>147639428
If you were, you would have known that JP used to dump his articles here for suggestions before publishing them. And admits to 'trolling' /evn/ on his twitter.

>>147626198
>the rival is a more extreme version of a tsundere, the little sister is a Rei clone, and Joe is the only sane man in the group
Yet somehow they're the best characters in the game.

>>147639608
You mean when someone used to post links to his latest blog post? If there was something more specific, I don't remember.

I don't follow his twitter so eh.

>>147640872
Uh, no. I mean when JP posts his articles onto 4chan and asks for suggestions before they get published, which is exactly what I said.

This convo is shit.

>>147642015
And I don't remember it, so I asked for clarification to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding what you said. Obviously I've either forgotten or was on hiatus at the time, it's hardly important, I was just trying to be sure I understood you. Communication.

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So they took their kickstarter winnings and managed to release a game on Steam. That is... good?

>>147642515
Isn't that the scam game?

>>147642675
People were cranky about it raising money with nothing more than a girl and a pudding cup.

They have at least spent the money making a very short game and releasing it though.

>>147642515
every time I see this game mentioned I'm reminded of that one New Zealander lady who thought elves were pursuing her to rape her

>>147644415
so random XD

>>147642515
It's in early access.

>What is a Kinetic Novel?
>A new form of entertainment for the sole purpose of storytelling -- not a novel, not an anime, not a game -- Kinetic Novel.
>Made with the goal of providing the reader with an unprecedented sense of presence and empathy for the characters through the use of a high-quality scenario, graphics, music, and other production values.

>>147644605
kys

>>147644923
Truly it is unprecedented

>>147644923
I thought the artist left so they have no intention of ever finishing it and they're just collecting money for it while it's in early access.

>>147644923
They're really trying hard.

Cons:

- I would have liked to see the story be in second-person rather than having a named protagonist.

Is writing in second person something that's generally expected in VNs?

>>147647537
Not at all. Second person VNs are generally reserved for ones that have little to no story and are just about choices, in which the protagonist is basically a non-person. Kind of like normal choose-your-own-adventure books. And even then it's pretty rare.

>>147647782
I wouldn't say the little-to-no-story part really, but I'd agree that it's a thing that happens in games based more off RPGs and CYOAs than in standard VNs.

>>147646995
the first artist who drew the pudding cup left right after the KS, i don't think the new artist left.

>>147648135
but wasn't the pudding cup what people paid for?

That fox is really hot.

Can anyone post a character from their game? I want to give you all cute nicknames based on your game.

I would post one, but I don't know how to draw.

>>147650038
I'm scared of showing my shitty art to you guys.

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>>147650038
Don't say I never did anything for you.

>>147651584
I hereby name you, smug anon of judgementness.

Short hair is yes.

>>147651584
I like the art. I like the short hair, expression and the outfit. I would post my own, but I cannot at art.

I really wish more of you would post screenshots and art from your games. I know some of you are working on really cool stuff. I want to get motivated by seeing how talented my peers are.

>>147651584

> when she sees your dick

jokes aside, I like her. Good job!

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>>147650038
have a questionable animation attempt

>>147651584
Hot.

>>147652210
Wow, that's cool. Is your game going to have completely animated sprites?

>>147652210
I like the character design.

>>147652101
Why don't you start :^)

>>147652334
I would, but I don't have anything other than a text document and some elementary school tier doodles.

>>147652101
My screenshots wouldn't be motivating because I'm not talented.

>>147652567
How do you know if you never post? I'm sure there's some merit to your work. You might just be like me and think all your stuff sucks by default. You just need some more confidence in yourself. Maybe you're hiding a masterpiece and you don't even know it.

>>147652567
What are the doodles? Character/UI designs? I really like looking at stuff like that even if it isn't the best quality.

>>147652750
I just mean my art skills are shit tier and would look embarrassing compared to what is posted here.

>>147652270
>>147652327
thanks fampais, it's only the battle sprites that are going to be slightly animated (and probably even only idles at that because shit's hard)

>>147652909
google lemmasoft. all the wip garbage you could ask for

>>147653940
I don't want lemmasoft, I want stuff from my /evn/ sweethearts.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2052836802/the-pirates-fate-a-transformation-visual-novel

>>147655483
>furry
I'm not sure why they're marketing it as furry, as far as I can tell it's not a fetish game, and the characters are drawn more in a disney animal people kind of way. The "furry" label is going to put people off.

>>147655483
Cute characters.

>>147655483
Why do furry evns often get such good art? Are furry artists cheap or do furfags hav eextra deep pockets or what?

>>147655865
There are tons of talented artists who draw furry in the west. It's a pretty big pool of artists.

>>147655483
Man, I got my hopes up for a gender bender VN reading the URL.

>>147655801
Yeah, I'm kind of confused too. I'd expect "furry transformation visual novel" to be some hardcore R18 shit instead of this.

>>147655483
>that chick that looks like bancholeomon

i want her to crush me between her furry soft thighs

Wait, so HB has sex scenes doesn't it? Why is it allowed on steam?

>$9,000 graphic novel
What's the difference between a graphic and a visual novel?

>>147656603
The same reason a whole bunch of other games are. It has a cut-down version which is the official steam release, and a patch to add the H.

>>147656603
They're in a patch that isn't hosted on Steam. There are only 2 and the second one isn't even very good.

>>147656697
Graphic novels are like comic books, but usually bigger, they come in little books instead of those magazine things. Kind of the western equivalent of manga.

>>147655865
Many furry artists are themselves obsessive furries and may be easier to talk into projects?

>>147635184
>that guy who was in raptures over OTHAFA

you mean the dev? the one that just happens to drop in and tell /evn/ when that KN is on sale on steam?

>>147657107
and don't forget it's the best written EVN he's ever read

>people criticizing VNs for "not being a game" on steam
This literally triggers me.

>>147656882
did they CGs even show nipples/pussy?

>>147657107
At least once I've told /evn/ when OTHAFA was on sale because I feel sorry for him not selling many copies, same as I do with Rising Angels.

>>147657861
Must have been bundled at some point, it shows a bunch of owners now.

>>147657107
>>147657450
i kind of doubt it just on principle that /evn/ has maybe 50 regulars so advertising here would be a waste of time, but does it matter either way?

>>147652210
What is your game about anon?
>inb4 it's yuri and you're one of the gay femanons.

>>147660125
I would yuri that girl if you catch my meaning.

In a few months when I finally finish my VN, can I link people here, or is that not acceptable? I really want to show people here what I made, since I hang out here all the time. I want to see if anyone from here would buy it and if they liked it or thought it was bad. Should I just not tell anyone here when I finish my game so they don't think I'm a terrible person who is just out to get money?

>>147661156
I kind of want to post my shitty free VN here when it's done but probably no one will care.

>>147661156
That's fine to do, don't let that one guy who calls everyone a shill scare you away. Although, you may want to let us in a bit before hand if you want to avoid that anon.

>>147661156
Yes, post it. Especially if you've been posting progress here. I was following a dev here and awaiting their game but they didn't post it here when it was finished, then lamented about no one saying anything about it. I didn't even know it was done.

>>147661630
If I ever have anything worth posting, I'll post it here and screenshot it with a timestamp, print it out, sign and date my boobies with a sharpie, and take a picture of the picture with my signed boobies beside it. Then I'll archive the thread and upload it all to mega so no one ever forgets that I was here before I advertised my game.

>>147662023
Do you have nice boobies?

>>147661554
I'll care.

>>147661980
That's unfortunate. I barely see any visible progress here, so any that gets posted would probably get all my attention.

>>147662154
I'd like to think so. They've always been kind to me anyway.

>>147662371
How big?

>>147662650
About as big as my current script.

Progress?

i'm drawing porn

>>147662925
Are you saying you're a man?

>>147663040
Well, yes, technically.

>>147663204
Are you saying you're a tranny?

>>147663331
I don't really have a sex per say. At least not in real life. I only exist to bump this thread and try to make all your days better.

>Tfw I almost talked to a qt gay femanon dev but I ran away like a retard

I just wanna make gay grill games with gay grills why is this so hard.

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>>147663747
>I don't really have a sex per say.
>At least not in real life.
Are you okay anon?

>>147664018
Not at all, thanks for asking.

>>147662951
I'm outlining an act which was going to just be a hook. It's going to require like 4 or 5 more backgrounds and an additional character who wasn't going to appear for a very long time.

I think I may just be doing this to subconsciously delay the demo, because I just don't know man.

>>147663793
Advertise on Lemmasoft for a team, but gay grills only.

>>147664180
if it makes you feel better people don't really give a shit about demos. like no one really comments on them unless they're god tier like 7kpp

>>147664214
>excluding people based on gender and sexual orientation
You bigot!!11!11!!!

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>>147663747
>per say

>>147664608
I'm sorry danganronpa-san. That's how I talk in real life. It just comes through when I type too.

>>147664214
what do you do when trannies apply?

>>147664608
Also thanks for teaching me how to spell properly. I will shine your shoes with my own spit if you ask me.

>>147664821
If in their hearts they are gay grills, they are gay grills. I will not question them.

>>147664325
That's what I fear most!

>>147664985
so a guy applies but says he's a lesbian inside

>not doing every aspect of your VN by yourself
Why do you guys do this?

>>147664706
so, when you talk in real life you mangle your speech and use the wrong words?

>google Highway Blossoms
>google "90's soccer mom" and look at the first image
>google "soccer mom" and look at the second image

Was it on purpose?

>>147665379
Honestly, yes. I'm very socially awkward. Most of the time I slur my words or stutter. I constantly forget what I'm about to say, and I try not to speak at all if possible.

>>147665324
If she seems sincere, sure. Skin is a very shallow way to judge a person. You have to go deeper. Much deeper.

>>147665496
wat

>>147665683
To know if they're telling the truth, you need to take a nice sharp knife, cut open their chest, then take out their heart and open it. That's the only way to be sure.

>>147665352
I can't draw for shit, anon. Nobody wants to see my scribbles.

>>147665876
I was thinking just stick them deep with your mouth appendages and suck out a little of their DNA, but I guess that could work as well.

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Has this already been done within this thread? Maybe we can find each other.

>>147665496
I don't see it. Are you suggesting they have the same outfits or what?

>>147666127
I want to see your scribbles. Now you have no excuse.

>>147666127
Then why not learn? Anyone can learn to draw, you weren't born with "can't draw" genes. Instead of seeing your lack of abilities and a hindrance to being able to make something, why not see it as an opportunity to learn new and rewarding skills?

>>147666258
i'll do one if you do one

>>147666356
I spent years practicing. I improved, but nowhere near enough. Now, sure, I could keep trying, or I could spend my time improving the skill that I DON'T totally suck at while partnering with someone who can draw.

Without division of labor we can't have civilisation, anon.

>>147666272
You -have- seen my scribbles, and laughed at them. You just don't know when and where and who.

>>147667775
You could keep trying and you could improve. It's nowhere near as unreachable as you think it is.

>>147666356
Because that takes years of effort, unlike doing nothing and browsing /evn/

>>147667906
Well let's see them again, I don't think I've seen them.

>>147667931
You could keep trying to master the skill of reading, because apparently you haven't gotten there yet.

>>147668084
I'm not talking about having posted them on /evn/, anon. I mean out in the big wide world.

>>147668430
Then I probably haven't. But now I really want to see them.

>>147668534
Browse VNDB then. Look at all the games with cringe-inducing art. It's in there somewhere.

>>147668731
That's too much effort and I won't know which one is yours.

>>147667906
That's false since I've never laughed at anyone's drawings in my entire time on 4chan. I'm not that kind of person. I immediately go to the mindset of how can I help them get better if it does look very amateur. Making fun of people is for the insecure.

>>147668956
I respect your integrity, sir.

In renpy? How would you do something like

>have three routes branching off one choice
>have one route unlock only after both routes are finished
>before choice is unlocked it is visible but unclickable

I've been trying to figure it out but the info I could find was either out of date or not spelled out enough for my retard brain. Help would be appreciated.

>>147670719

I'm pretty sure you can do that with persistent data.

>>147670931
Well obviously, but persistent data is confusing me. I'm not sure what to put or where in the code to put it to get what I need.

>>147670719
Many people don't like enforced playing order, because there's almost always at least one route that they don't want to play through.

>>147670719
>Menus
>persistent variables and if statements
>Hmmmm... maybe just have it be an image in one if statement and the other be an actual button?

>>147671090
I like enforced playing order and playing through every route, but it's a really short game anyway so I don't think it matters in this case.

>>147671168
H-How do I make it into an image and also how do I code that. You're underestimating how much of a noob I am at renpy.

>>147671237
It takes away player freedom and there are some characters that people just don't like, so they don't want to be forced to go through their route to get to a route for a character they do like.

>>147672868
It depends on the type of game, if it's just a romance game then sure, but some more plot driven VNs have stories that rely on an enforced route order, and not all routes are necessarily "character routes". In any case no route in my game will take more than 10 minutes to complete and one ending doesn't work if it's not the last ending that is seen.

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>>147666258
Here goes nothing.

>>147666258
>everything over the age of 30 is lumped into one category
we logan's run now?

>>147673208
You seem really cute anon.

>>147670719
Could anyone help? I'm a complete moron and I can't into persistent data.

>>147673978
It's from /soc/, that's why.

>>147674207
> It's from /soc/
slice of child

>>147674021
Careful, or you'll end up walking down the aisle.