/evn/ - English Visual Novel general

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>>147809150
You did well sonny, here's your lunch money.

>>147809150
I'm getting sickof laying in the grass in a circle pictures.

>>147809376
what if they're floating in really clear water?

>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1803745874/reach-for-the-stars-a-yuri-visual-novel/
> 2.5k initial goal
> all stretch goals reached at 8k
Like, what the fuck? Is this going to be 1 hour long? When (if) I do a KS campaign, my initial goal will have be about three times that just to finish, the game with most funds coming from other sources the, and I'm not talking about their initial goal.

>>147809529
What costs so much? Stop greedy rip-off artists.

>>147809719
One of my artists is very cheap and the other is not much more expensive, I just have a devently-sized game that requires lots of things.

>>147809529
Also, fuck editing posts on mobile. Should be:
>my initial goal will have to be about three times that just to finish the game, with most funds coming from other sources, and I'm not talking about their initial goal.

>>147809889
>tfw doing everything by myself and my game won't cost me a single dime
Feels great.

>>147810035
See you in a dozen years when you finally finish it.

>2 threads
bravo

>>147810084
>implying group projects don't regularly get delayed into hell because they can't figure out how to cooperate

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>>147810221
>one of them is in autosage on the tenth page

Who else is self funded solo developer with contracted art/music?

>>147810275
They still usually take less time to make than projects where eveything is being done by a single person, unless that person is a fucking prodigy and is able to work quickly, 24/7, with decent quality in all fields at one – write music, draw pictures, write texts, code, etc.
And even then, a single person will never be able to create at least a relatively, relatively decent VN, where a team has at least a chance to succeed.
There is also the point that making the second game will be easier for a good team because they know how to work with each other, while nothing will really change for a single person.

>>147810532
>a single person will never be able to create at least a relatively, relatively decent VN

Why?

>>147809529
It's so funny to me that yuri and yaoi vns are now being marketed as "progressive".
The days when I'll make a loli vn and normies will praise me for being brave and outspoken are totally coming, can't wait tbqh

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>>147810532
Ever heard of ryukishi? UAB?

>>147810693
It should be "relatively big, relatively decent". My bad.
Because that would simply take too much time, require him to be good at everything at once, AND never lose the motivation and the passion throughout the years and years of development. I just don't see that happening and cannot remember a single occasion when it did happen. If you can, please do tell.

>>147810342
Check the catalog bub, there are 3.

>>147805471
>Dating sites are overflowing with normies now.
>now
When has this not been the case?

Imagining trying to explain why I like figures, *degeneratethings*, VNs, animu, cartoons, games and tons of other related degenerate things is enough to make me regret ever considering it in the first place.

>So um, why do you not have a job anon?
>Well, I'm trying to make some money with chinese cartoon flip books, but if that doesn't work I'll get a job.
As she walks out the door.

>>147810451
Me, but I'm paying myself.

>>147810860
>>147810860
As the other anon said, fucking ryukishi07, though I'll give his art is pretty ugly it didn't stop his games from becoming hugely successful. I can't speak for UAB but it think it's at least kind of long and has pretty good production values all things considered.

In any case that's a pretty pessimistic view, not everyone is a lazy shit. If working on VNs and other projects has taught me anything it's that it's not about "passion and motivation", it's a small part but it won't get you through anything. If you really want to get something done you just get up in the morning and you work on it. I don't think it's something most people would choose but it's far from impossible.

I understand why most people would choose the path of a group for larger projects and it certainly has many benefits, but I really couldn't do that. I'm a total control freak and I want every part of my work to be mine and come from my own vision. The skills needed to make a VN are skills I have in varying degrees and am continuing to develop. To me there's no appeal in paying someone to do something when I could just do it myself the way I want it. It takes time but I've done long term projects before and I have no doubt l can do this.

>>147810817
>ryukishi
He is not a Western developer and his art is mostly terrible. He either outsourced, was donated the music for his games, or used free tracks, AFAIK. And I have no idea if anyone helped him with coding. But yeah, I guess you could stretch him to count as an exception.
>UAB
Unteralterbach? Ehm, isn't it made by several people?

>>147811228
>When has this not been the case?
The early 2000's.

>>147811682
You said relatively decent, not stunning masterpiece. Ryukishi was quite successful. And UAB was just made by one guy.

>>147811396
>If working on VNs and other projects has taught me anything it's that it's not about "passion and motivation", it's a small part but it won't get you through anything. If you really want to get something done you just get up in the morning and you work on it. I don't think it's something most people would choose but it's far from impossible.

Yet what will make you wake up in the morning and work on your VN? You're saying passion for creating and motivation to continue wouldn't be that thing?

You say they are not necessary. What exactly would you replace them with? Desire for money? What keeps you waking up in the morning and working on your game? Even when you don't want to? That's motivation. Even if your motivator is money. It's still motivation.

>>147811726
Jesus, Grandma. What are you doing on 4chan?

>>147811778
>>147811682
Also, I just noticed it kek but
>outsourced music
Ryukishi is a composer. He even calls his novels "sound novels" because the focus is on the sound more than the visuals. He makes all the music, writes the script, and draws the art. It's not that difficult of a concept.

>>147811984
arguing semantics mostly

>>147812021
>He makes all the music
Not true in the slightest, you should do your research before making claims like this. Most of the tracks in the franchise are done by dai.

>>147811778
>UAB was just made by one guy.
Then why are there several people mentioned in the credits section on its site?

Sound novel is also a term far older than Higurashi, it was how Chunsoft called their adventure games.

>>147812385
Hell, even before that VNs that weren't dating sims were referred to as Sound Novels.

https://vndb.org/v4108

Wasn't Kamaitachi no Yoru branded as one?

>>147812340
Yes, Anne Frank and JP Morgan teamed up to write a loli sex VN.

>>147812559
I was sure those are just ironic nicknames.

clear

>>147814354
He's dead, Jim

I'm still here.

Everything's gonna be fine.

>>147809529
The person in charge of it doesn't know how to finish a vn.

>>147809150
>>For Developers. Huge collection of guides on everything:
>>tfw your soulmate could be here, right now

So... where's the huge guides on everything

>>147816773
I get the feeling lately that there are many lonely desperate people in this thread.

>>147816773
OPs being a funny jokester

>>147810748
>The days when I'll make a loli vn and normies will praise me for being brave and outspoken are totally coming, can't wait tbqh
Mee too. Unfortunately, this will probably not happen in the next 10 years. And most feminists and purists will have to die or lose all their power first.

>>147817943
Don't expect loli to ever be accepted. If anything, it will become less and less accepted.

>>147818114
A man can hope.

>>147810748
>>147817943
Why not just make a story based around an adult woman instead of a loli? Is it really THAT important they have to be a little girl?

And before you say "They have to be young and unaware of the world" or something else relating to youth, you can do that with 18 year olds as well. Most 18 year olds still haven't gotten hit with the harsh reality of the real world.

>>147816880
Can you blame them? A lot of the people here are solo developers. Game creation is a lonely thing, man. There are even Talks about how ronery it is.

>>147818416
>Game creation is a lonely thing, man
If you make it like that yeah. There's a thing called development blogs, game development communities (We're kind of in one right now), and ways to connect with other people who'd be interested in working with you on your work.

Yeah if you sit in your room and don't talk to anyone you'll be all alone, that's your own choice though.

>>147818524
True, some people are fine with just words on a screen while knowing the people behind them are real.

>>147818695
http://www.meetup.com/topics/gamedev/

Here you go friend, you want IRL face to face there's solutions for that.

>>147818285
Well, I personally love elder lolis (i.e. adults/elder creatures in child bodies). There's just something very enticing in someone who is much wiser and more powerful than they look. Well, and I like the body type too. Would love to make a game about a character like that. Perhaps I will one day, it would probably even be possible now with the right writing.
>you can do that with 18 year olds as well.
You can do that with a 40-year-old and justify that as them being immature and living all their lives in their parents' basement or whatever. What's the point?

> put a note section at the end of survey in case I missed something
> most people use it to leave nice messages

feels good man.

>>147818695
I know you guys are just a bunch of AIs, but even so I like you.

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Would this count as a loli game?

>>147818869
Gamedev, lol. Who wants an emo or hipster game dev normie? That's probably worse than trying your luck at a bar.

>>147818285
Personally I really enjoyed Kodomo no Jikan, and it was important that she was a child in that.

Except for the very ending, the ending was a bit gross and just dumb pandering.

>>147819151
but you're the AI anon.

>>147810748
Strawberry Vinegar already beat you to it. You weren't brave enough.

>>147819186
>I want face to face
>But I don't want to actually meet with anyone out in the real world
Like I said, your choice then, you're not gonna magically meet someone you get along with (Or your "soulmate" as OP put it) sitting around in your room posting about how lonely you are because you don't even try reaching out to meet others.

It's your choice, I'm just letting you know.

>>147819280
Does it have ero scenes?

>>147819326
Thanks, but I'm not the one looking for someone. I'm incapable of having any sort of meaningful relationship personally.

>>147819186
At least you can talk to them about videogames, maybe even animu. I can only talk whatever boring stuff with people in bars when I'm drunk, and that's an state I don't want to spend too many hour in.

>>147819450
I wasn't talking about love you goof, other people to talk to/dev with. OP's the one who wants love for some reason.

>>147819526
All I care about is love
That's what I'm here for

>>147819526
Yeah, that comment was the reason this whole discussion started.

>>147819481
Why go to bars then if you don't have anything to talk about with the people there?

>>147819712
It's out of desperation. The thought that someday there will be a QT who is also into VNs like you sitting there, waiting for you. With her cock-tail in hand.

>>147819672
Somebody to love

>>147819672
>>147819703
The comment that started the discussion was the bit about "Game creation is a lonely thing, man". It doesn't have to be if you try reaching out to other people. Honestly the same can apply to life itself if you want to go broader, but gamedev is not by any means a "lonely" hobby if you actually connect with other people also interested in it.

>>147819787
I'm not desperate. I'm just trying my luck if there's a grill out there who would make games with me. ;_;

>>147819871
>but gamedev is not by any means a "lonely" hobby if you actually connect with other people also interested in it.

This isn't gamedev though, or we'd be in /agdg/ which gets multiple threads a day. This is EVN, the bastard child of gamedev where we don't make real games, we make flipbooks.

>>147819967
It's still a part of gamedev though. We get so few posts because this is a fairly niche genre (especially in the west), but it's still a part of gamedev, or creating entertainment software at the least. The reason /agdg/ gets more posts is because it encompasses all the different genres of gamedev instead of this niche specific genre only general.

Same applies to meeting people or finding people with similar interests, look in places that overall relate to your hobby and look there if you can find anyone, or go straight for the kill and find EVN communities online. I never said meeting other people you get along with would be easy, but if you don't even try you really can't say it's a "lonely" hobby because you aren't even trying to reach out to as many people as you can.

Hell even then, just because someone isn't an EVN enthusiast doesn't mean you can't get along with them or become potential partners in work. Artists in general can work on visual novels created by others. Programmers can work on visual novels created by others. Musicians can work on visual novels created by others.

okay who wants to be my musicwife

>>147821415
We're all guys.

>>147821558
>guys
If by "guys" you mean being taco-havers. Sure.

>>147821615
At least 50% of this thread is male. At least 45% of this thread pretends to be female. I always answer female on the polls.

>>147821756
>not knowing about the hidden yuri game devs who are taco-owners.
Just because you lie doesn't mean everyone else does.

>>147821840
>not knowing about the hidden yuri game devs

Laughs. Guys can't make Yuri games or be into Yuri? I think you're confused. Guys are the number one supporter of Yuri content. Sorry to break the reality that you're posting with a bunch of hot girls, anon.

>>147821986
>Guys
Are you not aware that guys are the minority in every yuri forum on the internet? You're laughable. Yuri was created by women for women. Sure there are porn of it but the soft content in yuri is pretty telling.

>>147822224
>Yuri was created by women for women.
Not even close. Girls like Yaoi and content with guys. Any statistic or poll will tell you this. Western women are the same as Japanese women. Yuri is for guys and lesbians.

>>147822330
Guys thinks that yuri is boring since they can't relate to things with no dicks in it. That works only in general porn. If it really is to cater to men, then why is yuri so fucking boring? Western women are not the same as japanese women. I'm not putting japanese women on pedestal here but they really are rather retarded when it comes to their sexuality, even their fucking society thinks that they're that retarded.

Hence the following trope
>They don't know dicks, so they're definitely just going through a phase

>>147822525
>Guys thinks that yuri is boring since they can't relate to things with no dicks in it.

That's the most warped thing I've heard in a while. By that logic men don't like women either, because they can't relate to things that don't have dicks. I swear to god 4chan, stop learning warped logic from eachother. I guess that's to be expected when you get a bunch of shutins with warped worldviews together to discuss things day in and day out, but come on.

Who gives a shit? I might secretly be a woman, or a man, or Raithfyre, or JP, or your fourteen year old sister still fantasizing about you being banged by your best friend because you got drunk together that one time. You can't tell. You can fantasize if you like, since that's supposed to part of your skillset if you're making these games, but there's no point in arguing about it.

>>147822525
The yuri fans that expect purity are probably guys. Also, people always complain about the fanservice in yuri VNs pandering to a male audience.

>>147822803
>but there's no point in arguing about it.
That's like saying this thread has no purpose. The only time we're ever active is when we're arguing about stupid things.

>>147822795
How is it warped to not like things if you can't particularly relate to it?

Honest question. When boys go on school trips together and stay in, like, hotels and stuff, do they share beds like girls do, or do they each get their own?

>>147822926
It's not warped to not like things for whatever reason. It's warped to assume that EVERYONE doesn't like something because YOU can't relate to a story without dicks.

>>147822895
Not necessarily we were active when we're encouraging other devs to put their posts up. The previous thread was so much better compared to this one.

>>147822926
Think about it. Who adores females? Men. Why? Because we don't relate to them. They're interesting. Opposites. Two different sides of the same coin. Whether it's two of them having a relationship, a pinup of a sexy woman, or what have you, males adore females. So let me ask you this. If Yuri is pandering to females, what are they doing? The proper answer is, they're doing it wrong. It's like saying Yaoi and gay relationship VNs are aimed at attracting males. It's completely warped logic.

>>147823047
But it's somehow acceptable to assume that everyone on this thread are all men? Right.

>>147822843
Which, as we've previously discussed, almost always mean "I don't personally like it or find it tasteful".

In 3dpd lesbian porn it's much more obvious what's pandering to a male audience, because you get these ridiculous pictures where a girl with hugely long nails is posing vaguely near a spread-open pussy and sticking her tongue out in its direction and clearly wants nothing more to do with it. This problem is not very common in yuri.

>>147823180
4chan in general is largely men, unfortunately. You're expecting a niche thread within the community to be bustling with females? Not going to happen.

>>147823180
Huh? The person quoted said that men don't like yuri because there's no dicks in it. I'm not sure what that has to do with assuming everyone in the thread is male.

>>147822936
Nobody shares beds.

>>147823261
>Literally every poll and previous threads have women in it
>retaining tits or gtfo mentality outside of /b

>>147823340
This all started because someone assumed that everyone here are guys.

>>147823340
Just a poster confusing you for being every post in the same reply train up to the very first post. One of the downsides of anonymous boards.

>>147823146
>Think about it. Who adores females?
Everyone, because girls are naturally more adorable than gross icky men.

Also, girls are more affectionate and can get away with openly planting their faces in my bosom in public. People would think that was weird if a guy did it but with girls it's just 'cute'. Also they're shorter so they fit in the boobs more easily.

>>147823261
You're a literal imbecile if you think "no girls on the internet" means that less than half of this thread is women when it's very, very obvious from observing any community of Visual Novel developers that there is an overwhelmingly of girls who are working on these, and we held census at least twice.

>>147823468
Do you tip your fedora often friend?

>>147823375
How bizarre. Doesn't that make school trips really expensive, if you can't stack kids four to a room?

>>147823562
Straight guys would rather sleep on the floor or not at all than share a bed with one another.

>>147823541
It's not a fedora, it's an australian outback hat. Weatherproofed, to deal with the British rains.

>>147823669
Close enough.

>>147823615
Even when they're really young?

I know 'sleepover' has a girly implication, but do boys not spend the night at their friends houses either?

>>147823764
separate beds, floor or bust

>>147823764
How naive are you. You've never been around kids have you?

>>147822936
They will sleep in a couch and even in a bathtub (with blankets) to avoid sleeping in a bed together. I know, since I went on a Spanish Class fieldtrip to Mexico.

>>147823849
I'm not a kiddy-fiddler, no.

>>147823206
There are a decent number of yuri evn creators and writers that are men, so it's dishonest to say it's written mostly with women in mind.

>>147824003
That's a hilarious comment that I would expect from someone on 4chan. You must be quite the shutin or have no family. Strangely, it doesn't take being a pedo to be around little kids since they are everywhere and unbelievably, even adults start out as them. I have my doubts about whether or not having kids around someone like you is healthy though. Perhaps it's for the best.

>>147821415
>musicwife
Since we're so hellbent on talking statistics, girls don't often produce music.

>>147824104
No one actually believes this. Yuri is for guys and lesbians. 99% of the fans of Yuri shows in Japan are males. It's the same everywhere. Westerners are a bit idiotic sometimes, but they normally conform to the same interests when it comes to sexuality. Though they often aren't as outspoken when they like something slightly odd.

>>147824184
True. Maybe they'd have better luck in finding a musicwaifu on lemmasoft. Anyone wants an art waifu? I'm up for grabs. ;_;

lesbians should be counted as men since that's basically what they are.

>>147824151
No father, no brothers, all-female schooling, certainly don't have kids myself, don't associate with anyone who does. Basically, my knowledge of males comes largely from fiction.

>>147824104
>so it's dishonest to say it's written mostly with women in mind.
I'm not sure who said that, but it certainly isn't ALL written with ONLY men in mind.

(Also, the creators being men doesn't necessarily mean it's written with men in mind. The creators of children's shows are rarely children themselves.)

The problem is that people call out individual parts of a story as 'male pandering' largely because they don't like them and not because they have specific evidence that those specific parts were actually meant for guys. As was discussed in the last thread, completely contradictory things are often held up as being signs of male pandering.

>>147824456
What's wrong with you? I thought all girls like that ended up craving the dick. Are you a lesbian or something?

>>147824263
It's definitely exactly the same everywhere, especially in the places where the evidence shows otherwise.

>>147824757
I crave fictional dick. It smells better and comes with more features.

>>147824401
Which is why they post here on 4chan. lesbros.

>>147824861
First of all, how do you even know what dick smells like? Secondly, you've never met someone who knows how to use a dick. Reading about dick is one thing. Having one inside you is something else entirely. I personally prefer to read about getting dicked while I have an actual dick in me. It's the best of both worlds and stimulates all the senses. You don't know what you're missing.

At what point do people talk about english visual novels here?

>>147824996
>First of all, how do you even know what dick smells like?
All those DLsite product descriptions are always talking about 'stinky phimotic cocks'

Real dicks don't have rabbit ears. How are you ever supposed to satisfy a woman that way?

>>147825156
When you post your progress

>>147825156
After the talk about cocks. Later we have another futa argument scheduled along with an hour long autistic rant about Raithfyre.

>>147825156
When someone actually posts about their game. Though I doubt anyone would join the fray atm. Everyone is so angry about women existing on chans and fictional lesbians.

>>147825310
I guess. I played some C14 Dating lately. The sudoku like minigame is a lot more fun than the guess the number of the items one.

Do I have to have romance and love interest in my VN to make it sell? I assume I'll get more sales if I have romance options rather than just a story since isn't that what people expect out of VNs normally?

>>147825673
No, you don't. Just make your fucking game.

>>147825673
Yes. People will hound you about getting their waifu.

>>147825673
You need a hook of some kind. The two most obvious ones are romance and mystery, almost all successful VNs hit up one or the other or both.

Romance is an easy hook because all you have to do is show people a hot character and say 'YOU CAN DATE THIS' and now they want to play.

Mystery, you'll have to tease them a little, get them curious, make them want to know the answer.

Still, this is a much easier pitch than 'Read my VN which talks about political theory! It costs $10!'

>>147825436
Everything about that game always seems uninspired to me. What made you decide to play it?

>>147826058
>'Read my VN which talks about political theory! It costs $10!'
I read An Octave Higher and once you get on the true route, the game just starts forcing the author's political theory so much the story just takes a back seat.

>>147826348
You killed the thread. I hope you feel ashamed!

>>147828850
That's the power of political theory in VNs!

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>linking to a larger screenshot which is still stupidly tiny
>terrible english
congratulations

>>147829605
If the author of this is actually here, speak up and we can explain why the writing in this screenshot is awful, I don't want to post it on LSF because people will call me mean.

>>147829605
Cute sprite though.

>>147829605
>Cute sprite
>Weird/crammed bg
>Black text box that doesn't fit both sprite and bg
>Shitty malaysian engrish
For what cause?

>>147830108
Aren't you being just a little harsh?

>>147830454
I praised the sprite. I'm just saying that the bg is weird, the text box doesn't seem to fit. I suppose I need more context for that. But the english is just terrible.

>>147829354
I'd play a game where the LIs represented different theories.

>>147830997
When's My Little Dictator coming out?

>>147830108
>malaysian engrish
Writer is apparently American and the project is intended to be commercial

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=39329

>>147831225
when he stops making other games.

>>147829719
What's wrong with the writing?

>>147822936
A bed per person. We usually prefer to kick others to the ground than sharing. Unless it's a girl of course.
Exetion is when you have to sleep in a tent. For some reason, in that case we embrace hippie commune mentality and sleep all shoulder to shoulder without a care in the world.

>>147831587
That just made it worse

Bilinguals being shit at their secondary language is at least understandable. Murricans usually only have one language. There's just no excuse.

>>147831587
Yeah, that looks more like overwrought prose than ESL.

>>147829719
>>147832320
I don't see what's wrong with the writing honestly, seems descriptive enough.

>>147833026
No one posts any content for a full day and when someone finally does everyone is ready to critique it to high hell because it's the only thing. The only way to fix this is to post more stuff.

>>147833483
Maybe that's why people are afraid to post though

>>147833026
The sentence doesn't sound natural, nor has the literary originality that would excuse that awkwardness
>Her eyes are a blue of Lapis Lazuli
You anglo natives correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound gramatically correct.
>they gleam as such
Is this really necessary? I mean, you can make it work in some contecxt, but I'd rather do something like "her eyes gleam like lapis lazuli" than dragging it.
>sheepish
Is this an appropiate adjective for eyelids? I'd turn it into an adverb if I were really bent in using it in the sentence. "Squints her eyelids sheepishly". Even better if you used coyly though.

Aside from the first one, it's a matter of opinion, but I think those tweaks would make it look less amateur.

>>147834076
Most likely factors into the equation.

>>147818285
>why don't you make a story about something you don't want to make it about?
People like lolis anon. Lolis are cute.

>>147834541
>You anglo natives correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound grammatically correct.

Yeah, I can't pinpoint exactly what's wrong with it but it's not natural at all, especially if this is supposed to be the guy's thoughts we're hearing. Your alternatives are much better.

>>147835092
You're a sinner and you're going to hell.

>>147835759
I thought Jesus died for our sins?

>>147835759
Can I go to hell too? Imagine what tippity top quality vn you can make there with all the talented loli appreciating people.

>>147837310
You'll be in hell, you won't get what you want. You'd be stuck in a version of hell surrounded by a bunch of old hairy fat men and the VN you would be forced to make would be a MLP VN focusing on pleasing the furry crowd.

>>147837234
Jesus died for our sins yes. Yet here you are. Continuing the cycle of sin.

>>147822843
>Also, people always complain about the fanservice in yuri VNs
That's retarded. I'm a lesbian and I like seeing tits and panties and I think plenty of other lesbians also do as well. It's part of the "sexually attracted to women thing.

>The yuri fans that expect purity are probably guys.
Women would be into something creepy like that.

Anyway: most yuri is "aimed at guys" in that whoever makes it has men as their primary demographic, but for a lot of reasons yuri is a more niche thing for men than yaoi is for girls, and thus it attracts a significant minority of gay grils.

>>147837465
>old hairy fat men
hot

>>147837574
I just hope everyone can enjoy my yuri VN when I'm finished. It's going to have light fanservice and lolis. I hope that doesn't make too many people angry.

>>147837727
Why are old men so kawaii? It's like the opposite of girls. Girls get to be cute when they're young and men can't be cute until they're old and crippled unless they're fabio or in a boy band.

>>147838207
It's the balance of nature, like yin/yang and shit. Little boys and old women are annoying and/or crazy, little girl and old men are cute, it's just how things work.

>>147832320
It reads like someone trying WAY too hard to be "artsy" and not knowing how to do that in a fluent way, so they just end up drawing everything out awkwardly.

>"Her eyes are a blue of lapis lazuli"

This is not normal phrasing. There are many, many ways to phrase this that sound more normal. Here are a few possibilities:

Her eyes are the blue of lapis lazuli
Her eyes are as blue as lapis lazuli
Her eyes are lapis lazuli blue
Her eyes are a blue shade reminiscent of lapis lazuli (This one is kinda wordy and only suitable for certain kinds of protagonist)

The basic problem is the indefinite article 'a' doesn't make sense in the current wording. It implies one of many, rather than one specific. 'a blue of lapis lazuli' reads a bit like "one of many blues belonging to lapis lazuli"

Moving on to the next phrase

>"they gleam as such"

Overlooking the weird word order which again sounds like you're trying to be overly artistic, what does this even mean? Lapis lazuli is an opaque stone, not particularly gleamy. Even if you assume that they mean a cut and polished cabochon rather than the raw stone or pigment powder, it's not all that shiny. "Gleams like lapis lazuli" would be "is slightly reflective", unlike "gleams like an emerald" which would imply bright green sparks. Lapis lazuli is probably LESS shiny than eyes naturally are.

This may be getting long...

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>>147832320
>>147833026
(continued from >>147839957 )

final phrase

>"albeit slightly obscured by sheepish eyelids"

Now, I'm the kind of nerd who uses the word albeit, so I can't knock them for that, especially if the viewpoint character is highly educated.

In the context of the whole sentence, it does still give the impression that they're triyng to pull out the fancy lingo. There's nothing actually wrong with 'albeit' or 'obscured', but by this point I don't trust their command of English.

I do take issue with 'sheepish eyelids'. It's awkward. Nobody says that. How are the eyelids themselves being sheepish? Her gaze might be, her attitude might be, her eyelids might hover half-closed in a sheepish manner, but it doesn't feel like an appropriate adjective to attach to the eyelids themselves.

Now, to keep beating a dead horse, I bring up the next screenshot...

>>147838064
But will there be light fanservice of the lolis? That's the important questions.

>>147840473
If the text is like that I would get a refund right away. Scholarly sounding does not always equal readable.

>>147840764
Yes, of course there will be. Putting it on Steam is the plan though, so no nudity. Maybe butts. Are butts too lewd? Maybe I'll add an offsite butts patch.

>>147840473
Holy shit. Someone needs to smack this guy. Using high-tier vocabulary words to sound smart when you don't actually know how to use them is fucking retarded. Your writing doesn't need tons of purple prose to be good.

>>147840935
>lolibutts
I approve. Godspeed anon.

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>>147840473
>This writing
Jesus, I almost want to read it just to see how fucking deep this rabbit hole goes.

>>147840473

>"To my undelight"

Personally I'd hyphenate that as un-delight, but that's just instinct, not a real rule.

Here we see some less grammatical, more conversational English, a hint of personality coming through. (undelight, after all, is not a 'real' word, certainly not the kind of fancy overwrought word used earlier) Slightly snarky, more human. It might be phrased differently if said by a different character, but I don't know this character, so it's fine.

Unfortunately

>"the ambrosial morning scent"

we suddenly jump right back into "I have a thesaurus and I'm not afraid to use it". Ambrosia, as well as being fancy-pants language again, is a fairly emotionally-charged word. It doesn't just mean a good smell, it means something AMAZING. It's a word you might use when describing your full reaction to the scent of the best coffee in the world. It's not a word to use offhandedly while walking away from something that smells kinda nice. If an ambrosial scent is being shut away, you should be staring at the door pathetically like a dog wanting to go out.

>"fades behind as I close the office door."

Fades behind what?
Behind is most commonly a preposition. Not 100% of the time, since, yes, you can _stay_ behind. I'm not sure you can _fade_ behind, though. So I feel like there's a word missing here. Fades behind me, perhaps.

In renpy, how do you set the volume defaults?

All I found was:

label splashscreen:
python:
if not persistent.set_volumes:
persistent.set_volumes = True

_preferences.volumes['music'] *= .75

Which works but it causes my main menu and game menu to stop appearing.

>>147841639
It's very hard to debug code posted here because we can't whitespace correctly.

>>147841731
It's not the code itself but where I'm putting it, I think. I put it before the script starts (it didn't work anywhere else). The problem is that when I open the game it skips the main menu and goes straight to the start.

>>147841895
I think you need a return at the end of a splashscreen label. At least I have one in the first example from one of my games I pulled up

label splashscreen:
[code stuff]
[return]

>>147842852
Thank you based code anon, please marry me.

>>147843226
sorry, my dance card is full
please accept this consolation dishwasher

>>147845097
10/10

>>147845097
WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING BE EAAASYYY

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>go to take out the garbage
>some Chad is having a loud as fuck argument with Stacy by the dumpsters
>they both go silent and stare at me as I put the bag inside and go back
>look behind me
>they are still watching
here's an authentic experience for anyone writing about reclusive neets, you're welcome

>>147846627
I bet they thought it was a body.

>>147846627
>>they are still watching
>"....what the fuck was that freak wearing, stacy?"
>"gawd i don't know. don't allow me to ever let myself go to that point."

>>147847008
If anyone asks, I was never here.

>go outside to stand in the sunlight and play with the dogs
>completely naked
>wind and sunlight feel great on my bare skin
>grass taller than me to the south
>forest to the north
>more tall grass to the east
>dirt road to the west
>notice cat staring at me through the window from under the blinds
>pretend not to notice
>peep at the window as i walk inside
>he's still watching

here's an authentic experience for anyone writing about reclusive country living neets

>>147846627
It's possible they were just embarrassed to continue their loud argument while someone else was there and watching, and were just waiting for you to leave. If I was talking loudly, argument or not, in a place like that, I'd probably shut the fuck up if someone else came in.

Is there a way to look inside the "game" folder of a downloaded game? I'm trying to look inside my own game that I want to update but don't have the original files to anymore.

>>147847785
Why on earth did you delete the original files? You didn't even back them up somewhere?

>>147847785
did you archive/ancrypt the files? If not, just toss the game folder in whatever directory you tolf renpy to look for projects.

>>147847983
They didn't say they deleted them.

>>147847785
If you see archive.rpa that means all the stuff like images, scripts, music, etc is, well, archived. This is *not* encryption. There's a couple of un-archivers out there:

-here's one with a GUI (I haven't tried it myself): https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17530#p353800
-there's also one made by Shiz (Twofold programmer) called rpatool: https://github.com/Shizmob/rpatool

>>147847983
I got a virus on my computer that transferred to my backup drive as well.

>>147848005
It was not encrypted. What do you mean? I don't see a game folder. I see a contents folder, but it doesn't have the images etc in it. I'm on a mac, if that makes a difference. (I transferred to mac after the viruses.)

>>147849149
Thank you. I'll look for that right now.

>>147849384
np good luck

>>147849160
*.rpyc files are encrypted, *.rpy files are not (at least on PC)

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post script size

I'm probably around 1/3 done

>>147850117
Slight nitpick: Ren'Py doesn't encrypt anything. The "c" in "rpyc" stands for "compiled". Just saying this because some folk mistakenly believe they're concealing stuff by only distributing archives or .rpyc files when really both can be reverse-engineered pretty easily. It only stops someone who has no knowledge of how to use a command line (and even then the tool I linked above apparently has a GUI now).

>>147850827
>The game contains 585 dialogue blocks, containing 4,845 words and 25,106
characters, for an average of 8.3 words and 43 characters per block.
I'm basically done. It's a short VN.

I got what I needed! Thank god. I'm indebted to /evn/.

Small renpy problem: In my game, I had a few saves for the sake of playtesting etc. But even if I delete the save files, they won't disappear. They show up in the distribution copy too, and can't seem to be deleted from those either. I'm not sure what to do.

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I'm glad I'm not in charge of making BxG games because the yaoijam project made me realize I can design exactlt one type of woman.

Anyway, the script for this is done, now I only have to program it.

Overall, I'm glad I decided to make this because I was making a lot of mistakes in ML (like not using layers!) I can go back and fix now.

>>147851646
>I can design exactlt one type of woman.
i'd date 50s milf over the typical bright eyed waifs in most bxg games

>>147850848
ah you're right, I mixed things up because if you're trying to open them windows says they are encrypted

>>147851521
Maybe the save data is stored in AppData/bleh/blah. Try deleting the Renpy folder in there.

>>147850827
I don't feel like booting my work partition just to look at the exact number, but around 180k. Nowhere near the end yet.

>>147851940
That was it, thanks.

>>147850827
>300k words when done
w-what is it about

>>147852765
It is a secret

>>147852975
I'll pay you 0,17 buttcoins if you tell me.

>>147852765
>You aren't very good at math, are you?

>>147851856
50's women (both cinema types and rockabilly girls) are my favorite, hence why they all come out like that.

>>147853957
I missed "over", untwist your knickers

>>147854263
"Over 300k" is not a very good way of saying "about 430k". Sounds a bit too far off, you know.

>>147854514
Don't reply to me or my wife's daughter ever again.

AN ANT JUST CRAWLED OUT OF MY MOUTH

>>147855406
If there was one, there are many. Your body has been infested.

>>147855406
That's fucking creepy anon.

>>147855529
>>147855631
Am I possessed? I'm scared.

>>147856106
The ants are controlling your brain. You are actually an ant.

>>147856106
No, you just have an ant colony living somewhere inside your body. It's fairly common in parts of the world where people sleep in close quarters with ants. You need to find the source and remove it from your body before they multiply to an uncontrollable level.

>>147856494
This isn't true, don't bully anon. Though there are a few cases of it, ants couldn't survive in your mouth/throat area long enough to have a functional colony, so probably it crawled up your skin and to your mouth without you noticing, went inside your mouth, and decided to GTFO.

>>147856986
Maybe if you swallowed a watermelon seed, the ants built a nest in the fruit inside you

if you're a writer or hire them, how much do you usually get per word?

>>147858397
.04c for my writer

>>147856494
>>147857362
I hope >>147856986 is right.
I just showered, should I drink acid?

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>>147809376
Thats a shame.

>>147858960
No, that would be dangerous. Use some organic bleach as a natural cleanser.

>>147859283
kek

>>147858960
What you need to do is move house. That will solve the problem naturally.

Survive.

>>147861325
I'm a survivor
I'm gonna make it

I finished my first VN today.

>>147861325
How?

>>147859230
Looking good anon.

>>147863034
Congratulations! What's it about?

>>147863423
Strawberries.

>>147863034
Writing or playing?

>>147865368
Rude.

Writing (and all the other assets).

>>147865491
So where is it? I refuse to believe anyone here would finish a VN and not want to show it to off.

>>147866618
>I refuse to believe anyone here would finish a VN and not want to show it to off.
yeah let us tear into you like wolves

>>147866618
I'm doing a few last minute checks before I upload it. I'm also not really sure where to put it.

>>147866767
I don't mind if you guys shit on my shit game.

>>147866767
>>147866979

I won't be mean. I'm nice

>>147869380
Y-you too

>>147869380
...is this a test?

>>147869813
Would you pass?

How do Creative Commons licenses work? You just say "My work has this license" and it has it?

>>147870194
I don't need to pass since I'm not a fugly tranny. But I guess I do.

>>147871620
Pretty much

LIVE DAMN YOU

>>147875004
Heh... sorry, looks like I'm not gonna make it. See you on the other side.

We need more soulful, bloodied young men stripped shirtless and suffering

>>147875609
I'd rather have soulful, wet young girls stripped shirtless and experiencing pleasure.

>>147875717
Why not both?

>>147810532
The most impressive evn to date was made mostly by a single guy in under two years.

>>147877481
What is that?

>>147818285
Lolis have an excuse to act cute and naive. When a grown ass adult acts that way, it just seems like they have brain problems.

>>147877481
Stop shilling UAB so hard.

>>147877841
It shouldn't even be considered an EVN since it wasn't an English release.

>>147878229
It's not an EVN, but there isn't enough interest for /gvn/ or any other general for another language to exist, so basically any non-Japanese VN can be discussed here.

>>147878354
Yeah, but in this context it's incorrect since anon said

>The most impressive evn to date was made mostly by a single guy in under two years.

Now if they weren't talking about that VN then I'd like to hear what they were talking about. Otherwise they were not correct.

>>147877481

What's actually good about it? Because all I've hear is that it's a pedophilia simulator.

>>147879237
hi wraythfiar

>>147879237
From what I've heard it's a (very heavy handed) political satire-social commentary thing, and it has a lot of choices and gameplay stuff. I don't know much about it since I'll never play it because ugly loli.

>>147879237
What more do you need?

>>147879237
but it's BOLD and BRAVE and UNCOMPROMISING and it really sticks it to all those bitches who disapprove of your fetishes

>>147877841
Show me another evn that exceeds it and I'll revise my stance.

>>147880064
First of all it isn't even an EVN.

>>147880064
It's not an evn. I haven't played UAB so I don't know what's particularly good about it. It's impressive that one guy made that quality of work by himself sure, but make makes it so much better than every other non JVN exactly? Certainly not the art.

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Spent the morning trying to figure out good material settings for this. It's okay but I had to tweak it quite a bit in Photoshop to get it to look nice.

Probably gonna be making a fair few BGs with drinks as the focus in the future, so this is practice.

>>147878631
>>147880195
EVN may as well just mean western visual novels. It's basically anything that's not blatantly asian, specifically japanese. Who seriously wants to start running around labeling things as GVN or FVN?

>>147880375
Well, for starters EVN has the word English in it, which is the language this board speaks by default. The only reason that game was in English is because it got a translation. Otherwise most of us couldn't have even played it and understood it. So it might as well have been Chinese or Japanese at that point. EVN is for home grown stuff or things in native English. Plus, loli isn't allowed here so we shouldn't be talking about it anyway.

>>147880607
>The only reason that game was in English is because it got a translation
By the creator himself. Does that still exclude it form being labeled as an evn simply because it originally came out in german?

>>147880607
>Plus, loli isn't allowed here so we shouldn't be talking about it anyway.
Only explicit loli, same as any porn on a blue board. Discussion is totally fine.

>>147880806
Discuss it then. I found nothing intriguing about it.

>>147880236
The art is of a high quality regardless of whether it caters to your tastes or not. I don't judge based on whether something caters to me personally or not, I judge based on the overall quality of what I experienced. I would have no problems saying a bl evn is the best if I found it particularly impressive, despite not being into bl whatsoever.

"Western VN" is a better term than "English VN." Discuss.

>>147881705
Western made and in English maybe.

>>147881585

So do I. It looks crude and unappealing, regardless of subject matter.

>>147881705
WVN? sounds like a wrassling company

>>147882004
And that's why it's fantastic.

Starting now I declare /evn/ to be rebranded as /wvn/, where men and women can freely discuss German loli games, Russian dating sims, SEA games with broken English, and no longer be bothered by lost souls searching for /vn/.

>>147881705
I wouldn't particularly care if people wanted to attach the specific language in front of VN, but attempting to exclude it from discussion because of that would be silly. We barely talk about anything as it is and it's more about the creation of non-japanese, non-professional VN's than any real language barrier, especially if the VN has been translated to english.

>>147882274
i don't like change

>>147881585
I don't think you understand what "high quality" means in regards to art. The art is very clean looking and doesn't have freakish proportions. Disregarding style choices that put many people (me included) off, it's about on par with the bare minimum art quality for a commercial evn. And I'm not talking about lolis, I like lolis, the artstyle is just ugly.

>>147882314
It's just someone salty at people praising UAB, ignore them.
>b-but it's not even in English!
laughable tbqhwy famiglia

>>147882805
Nah, it's just a definitionfag.

>>147882805

It just occured to me today that despite a few people here praising it as one of the best WVNs ever made, I've never seen any detailed explanation of why. What makes it stand out?

>>147882805
I have nothing to add and just want to see if the filters are still in place because I haven't thought of them in a while.

desu senpai baka

>>147881705
Of course, if we use WVN and JVN like we use WRPG and JRPG, we'd have to be talking about some very different games.

>>147882780
I would disagree. The artist clearly has a very strong understanding of anatomy, perspective, color theory, etc. and shows it off very well. I'd go beyond saying it meets the bare minimum art quality for a commercial evn and say it meets the minimum quality for a commercial jvn. I found the sprites based on real people and cgs to be especially impressive. I can understand why people might find the art unappealing as it introduces a number of foreign elements into a somewhat animeish style, but I would strongly disagree that it's due to a lack of quality.

>>147883304
It annoys feminists.
Actually it doesn't because they've never heard of it. But if they had, it would definitely annoy them.

>>147883596
I can't fucking stand it when people bring up "lmao feminists would HATE this" when I'm talking about h-games or ecchi shit. Literally the worst.

>>147883304
People are just arguing about the art right now, but the music and writing is pretty phenomenal. It also has some really neat moments like the phoenix wright spoof, and it pokes fun at a ton of celebrities and political figures, but does so in a way that can be funny to people who don't even know who they are.

>>147883747
Well, if they say that just because something's H, it's kind of dumb. As I understand it, in this case much of the point of the plot really is "lol, the child porn is made by children, so everyone trying to protect them is stupid and wrong!" isn't it?

>>147884523
Also you have to diddle kiddies to defeat demons and save the world.

drawing porn CG > normal CG

:_; I guess I waited long enough for the flakes to sog.

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>make a serious error in plot progression
>reworking it makes it even nicer and more logical

>>147880367
Nice. I could look at it all day.

D8

don't die while I'm taking a nap

>>147895739
Artist?

>>147895793
Me!

>>147895739
I like it. How long did it take?

sweet release

Wheat bread or white bread?

>>147899605
Soggy bread

What would you guys do if a flaker suddenly resurfaces?

>>147899918
name and shame

>>147899605
Brown.

>>147899918
I most certainly would have hired someone else if they didn't respond for over two weeks, so they'd not be working with me in most cases.

>>147900457
What brown?

>>147902929
Oaty brown

>>147904532
Sprouted?

>>147905504
Nay.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1368543185/cyber-punk-visual-novel

holy shit AGAIN this shit has another campaign

>>147906393
Is this like their 20th fucking kickstarter?

>>147906865
they passed that mark a while ago. the bounce series got $48,000 recently too

>>147906393
Eeehhh the outfits/characters don't really scream cyberpunk to me.
And they've been on KS before? How many times anon? Did they reach their goals previously?

>>147907937
Also, I think i've seen the first picture in their video on a load of wallpaper sites - is it their image, or what?

Same people as: AJ Tilley, Face2Palm, KiritoKun, Dharker Studios.

A quick google has someone saying they've ran 24 Kickstarters, this was in february, I'm sure there has been like 2 or 3 since then counting this one. (Most of them were successfully funded.)

>>147909151
>tfw too scared to ever run a kickstarter

>>147899605
You could do a whole VN about this. It boils down to personal taste anyways.

>>147899918
I'll resurface but not as the original position, so they won't even know. Never be a writer, go for artist.

>>147909726
A VN about bread?
That's pretty cool actually.

>>147899918
sigh, knowing that the pain will soon begin again

Weekend progress goals?

I think I'm gonna be stuck driving for most of Saturday so I'll just be brainstorming shit.

>>147912568
to not die of heat

>>147913407
get air conditioning

>>147912532
;_;

>>147914990
impossible or I would have, thankfully the worst is happening right now and tomorrow maybe I can even turn on my pc without it catching fire

>>147915401
i'm partly being snarky because i'm one of the few people in the UK who insists on having the stuff, because i love myself and hate the planet

>>147915459
We don't have hot weather enough to need air con though, wtf bruh?

>>147915671
It gets warm a few days a year, especially if you have a ton of computers packed into a small space. It's not like I have it running every day.

>>147916589
Can't you just have icecream or enjoy the weather before it goes away like the rest of us bro.

>>147916721
My ambition in life is to become an evil scientist and build a weather-controlling satellite to make it rain in England FOREVER.

>>147910127
I'm my own artist so I don't have to deal with it. Feels good man.

>>147912532
Wouldn't it be funny if all this whining about artists is actually coming from a couple people who keep changing names and advertising their services?

>>147915401
Why is it impossible? No windows? No money?

>>147917854
old-ass building with thick walls and busted ventilation, basically it'll be too expensive to install reular AC and you'd have to make a new literal hole in the wall.
It's much better now that the sun is on the other side from my flat though, time to do some devving.

>>147918163
Why not buy a window unit or a standalone indoor unit with a venting duct that you can stick out any hole in the building or window? The part of the duct you stick outside is only a couple inches.

If you can't do that you could always do what I do and get a nice powerful fan, freeze a jug of water and stick it behind the fan and keep that thing glued to your ass all day. Also make trips to the WC every little while to wet your shirt and stick it on yourself. Feels amazing with a fan. I've got lots of experience living in 100+ degree F houses over the years. Stay hydrated.

>>147918342
Depending on where you live and how the windows in your house/flat are designed, hooking up a window unit can be much more complicated than one expects.

Doable if you're dedicated, but between the cost of the thing itself and the amount of DIY needed to make it suitable, the fan, water, and ice cream is a more practical plan.

>>147918342
It's only really hot here in eastern Yurop a couple weeks a year really. Thanks for the suggestions bruh, good thing I'm not Korean so fan death is a non-issue.

>>147918957
The summers here are long and hot and the winters here are long and cold. I'd like to move someday if possible.

>>147919198
You want to become a filthy immigrant?

>>147924016
I have immigrants living near me who have higher standards of living and nicer accommodations than I do. So why not.

>>147926647
>girl who looks like saber pulling taffy in a burning bush
Is this some kind of prophecy?

Is it generally a good or bad idea to hold your Kickstarter campaign during summer?

>>147927361
people are dry from the sales and have a lot of games to play I reckon

>>147906393
Anyone got a sauce on that artist?

>>147928067
Well, I was thinking of starting it in the beginning-to-middle of August, not right now.

How many evn kickstarters have there been this year, successfully funded or not? I feel like there's been way more than there usually is, or is that just me?

>>147928305
What's 'usual'? Kickstarter is a fairly new phenomenon whose popularity has been on an upswing in the past year or two

hello darkness my old friend

>>147931412
Hey, how's it going?

>>147931412
I thought I filed a restraining order against you.

>>147931786
>>147932070
I've come to talk to you again.

>>147932572
I will never get over how much money this raised. There's no accounting for taste.

>>147932912
That's what happens when a popular thing decides to make something that is usually not made by popular things. There is just no comparison in terms of the amounts of money.

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>>147932912
but the artist has mad skillz. He even teaches others how to draw.

>>147932912
that guy has his manga being sold in retail bookstores across the west.

>>147934046
dear lord what publisher would pick this shit up?

>>147935978
Well the dude is a millionaire by now.