/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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First for Chei.

You can get other players ghosts while online right?

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>he doesn't fist his babble

Nth for I can't play deathswords to save my own sword-y life but I liked the concept so much I promised myself to play them until I beat the game.

>>146288686
Yeah.
I will not stop being salty about having to deal with fucking qw and tstbtto 3 times a god damned game.
Fuck akrasiac. no_bones now.

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WE'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING WE CAN
THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN PAN

THEY WATCH YOU DIE HERE ON WEBTILES
THEY WILL NOT STAND HERE BY YOUR SIDE

SO LET THEM WATCH AS WE DECIDE
THE VERY FATE OF MUMOKIND

>>146288875
>can't play

what do you mean?

they're not exactly complicated, they just have to grind for 8 billion years to get anywhere

>>146289450
WE ARE THEIR FAULT

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3 more runes (Dis,Slime,Tomb) to go I hope I don't screw up in this hell sentinel shithole

YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER MuMo!

YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE

YOU WILL FALL OFF THE BOARD
BECAUSE YOU NEVER TRIED TO PLAY IT YOURSELF

>>146289497
I always end up faulting and splatting, usually to heavy hitters or asshole magic-users.

Maybe someday
they'll see a MuMo
is just a man
with too much free time

>>146289825
That sounds like a "playing pcb" problem, not a "death sword" problem. It's about the same as playing a warrior except with way more grinding (and higher potential power after you do all the grinding)

How do I ogre warper?

Berserkitis 3 is a hell of a drug.

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>>146289692

I wonder if I can still screw this up

>>146291931
>laughingformicids.jpg

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>>146287604

>>146292241
MMWATCHASAY

>>146292326
This isn't a thing anyone actually wears, right?

Okay the ones on the left are kind of cute.

>>146292326
I would wear the left one desu

>>146292629
>>146292687
They're made as unofficial merch by some tavern person or something.

>You see: |. gasoline and |\ gasoline on the ground
what the fuck

>>146293061
Well, liquids spilled on the ground should be contaminated and thus "damaged' so it makes a little bit of sense.

Probably if you turn on the alternate display you can have some shattered gasoline.

>there is an entrance to Cunt's Assorted Antiques here
Top kek.

fucking Jory

>>146289216
My last win killed a total of 6 ghosts before depths. I couldn't believe how many there were

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>>146293061
I swear they fucked up something with liquids recently

>>146293935
I still occasionally forget that he's actually dangerous now.

>>146287604
Anyone played Vanilla Bagel?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/491510/

>>146294573
>25 cents has been deposited in your account

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>>146294083
>vitamin intake varies by food now
Well there's something I certainly never wanted to manage.

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>>146292241

oh shit I nearly died

>>146294982
>run out of multivitamins
>game become Scurvy Simulator 2016

fun shit

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>>146295065
Seraph ain't nothing to fuck with. Congratulations!

>>146295065
Great job anon
Who's that tall faggot?

>>146295371
seraph

imagine a pan lord who can chain summon tier-1 demons, except holy and they all smite you and they're all faster than you

>>146295371

Something you'd surely cry over when you're forced to fight him in an open space

>>146295459
Also the holy weapon you use to great effect against pan lords is useless. And much beefier than the average pan lord

>>146294573
Please stop shilling this fucking game

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Help! I'm a SpEn!

What do I do?!

>>146297183
>NO VIDEO GAMES ALLOWED

>I will never win
Why do I even try.

>>146297492
>not even discussing the game
>just linking to the store page
>$0.25 deposited into account each time
Nice ``video games'' you fucking fag

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>>146297492
>roguelikes
>videogames

>>146297487

regret not being a SpAM

>>146297487
>Train hexes
>Learn ensorcerelleleleled hibernation and dazzling spray
>?????
>Profit!

>>146297492
What the fuck is a "video game"?

>>146297737
>$0.25 deposited into account each time
wat

That's the fourth fucking great mace of protection Trog's given me. At least he gives me ruks.

>>146297737
>not even discussing the game
>just linking to the store page

Read about it on the Steam page you fucking retard.

AS I FIST, THERE IS NO DEVIL THAT CAN STAND.

AND I WILL FINISH, WHAT WAS STARTED

BY THE DCKS MAN!

>>146298364
Go shill your game at Neogaf you fucking fag

>>146297492
Pirate it for me, anon, and I will play it.

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Demon noob here, can someone explain this comic to me

I haven't gotten past Arcadia yet so advice would be good too

https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/text/%22491510%22/
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>decide to use tiles to see what the hype is about
>see this
Now I see why tiles are cancer

>>146299329
>Find out new Roguelike game
>Want to talk about it
>Get called a shill

NO VIDEO GAMES ALLOWED

>>146299548
>I-I don't shill the game you guys! Honest!
holy fuck, shilling faggot btfo

>>146299576

It's easier to drive vehicles on tiles because it wouldn't look retarded

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>>146299729
>want to talk about it
>hey guys have you seen this game
>say nothing about game
>link to steam page without any further discussion whatsoever
>six times in a row

Sure is roguelikes in here.

>>146299729
Damn fucking right.

>>146299968
Dev here

You're a fucking loser with no life. My game has been successful so far and your retarded ass is not ready for a game such as Vanilla Bagel.

I can shill all I want so go suck my left nut you cocksuckin' mother fucker. :^)

>>146299576
Unless you decided to tile the floor with tables, your tiles look fucked.

>>146300181
wow dev I am btfo beyond all repair, my only hope is to preorder 50 copies of you're game to become cool again

>>146300181
This is b8

Can anyone guide me to the latest least shitty experimental of Cata?

>>146300181
Advertising is against the rules anon.

>>146300331
>>146300519
>>146300607
>>146300763

Dev here

I can shill whatever the fuck I want, whether you like it or not you lazy sack of shit.

>>146300763
They release a new experimental for every single commit.

>>146300763
>>146300976
By which I mean "good luck finding a good experimental because there's 14 billion of them."

>>146300816
Stick to shilling your mother to passing truck drivers, that way you'll leave at least some of the family's dignity intact.

>>146301156
Dev here

So glad I make more money than your fucking lazy ass. Holy fuck, I'm glad I'm not a shithead like you and your family. Why are you a piece of shit anyways?

>>146300816
>>146300607

Seriously guys, you need to stop getting b8'd so easy.

So guys how do I win at DCSS

>>146302194
Don't die.

>>146302194
MiBe press o and tab and if something doesn't want to die press a and then go berserk

>>146302194
You get the orb and abscond. Do you need anything more specific?

>>146302302
But how

>>146302194
Yes

>>146302194
Play Demon instead.

>>146302308
So what armor do I use.

>>146302510
The heaviest thing you can find desu

>>146302510
The kind that lets you have good Ac/Ev

>really bad day CDDA start
>first house has a mini LMOE shelter basement
>second house has gun basement
Thanks RNG

>>146301141
>>146300976
You're a terrible person.

>>146302614
Ok

What should I train more armour or dodging

>>146302764
Dodging.

>>146302891
Right.

Thanks anon

Also, one more thing

DEX or STR

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>>146303035
DEX
E
X

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>>146302496
>not playing them both
>not playing all roguelikes at least a few times

don't be casul

>>146303035
STR if you want to wear heavier armor
INT if you want to cast spells better
DEX if none of the above

>>146303035

INT so you hopefully become smart enough for a 3 rune win.

>>146303035
Dex
Yeah train more dodging but eventually if you armor's so low that it'd take killing 2 or 3 shitters on your floor to gain a meaningful amount of experience, start training armor for a bit too

>>146303215
>MiBe
>cast spells
Anon

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This is ADoM 1.1.1
I've googled it, checked the manual, checked the wiki, and I still have no idea what a purple pool is, or what it does. Anyone here have know anything about it?

>>146303316
>Tfw you need 22 charms to cast haste because you have 3 int
You literally can't stop tabbing.

>>146303436
#justtrogthings

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Also who is Bran-Lukar? Why is he an owlbear?
Still ADoM 1.1.1

>>146303316
I've done extended with a Lich formed MiBe before

>>146304169
Impressive

>>146304232
What was impressive is that, due to the +2s in all the relevant melee skills, I didn't even have to grind at all to get it up before the end of zot.

What does extended look like anyway

I imagine there's so much exp floating around that everyone ends up the same

What's the most diesel DCSS character?

Probably something of Chei I imagine,

>>146303347
Drink it [D], get random events, change to get a free wish

>>146304534
I like you anon. Not everyone uses their apts to do off the wall stuff.

>>146304745
Suffering. You either get a level 9 spell or your melee is strong enough to shred anything in under 10 turns. The only danger is torment, hellfire, LoS aids demonspawn and panlords. The panlords aren't really so bad since most of them don't have disto/chaos melee or level 9 spells. Hell effects are a special kind of shit because you can't do anything about it. Sometimes you just want to cast regen in a corner and get stuck there for a thousand turns because you keep getting hit with torment, confusion and an endless stream of random summons.

>>146294083
>I swear they fucked up something with liquids recently
yeah, I told anon about it in the last thread.

remember when there was that seraph on the mumo orbrun
that was fun

I gift myself an atomic lamp at the beginning of every Cata game

I'm sorry lads

>>146305685
Why anon

>>146301809
SO SAYETH THE ETTITS

>>146305835
he's a scrub who probably plays without skill rust
leave him, anon
he's already lost at life

>>146305648
AND LO', IN THE MOMENT OF OUR GRAND ASCENT.

THE DEVIL'S TEAM DID APPEAR, WREATHED IN WRETCHED LIGHT.

BUT WE EMERGED UNBURNT, ORB IN HAND.

A DAZZLING STAR IN A BARREN SKY.

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>>146306073
>skill rust
Ah yes, the ol' "grind = skill" meme.
A classic.

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>>146306435

Imagine how comfy Cata would be if it had z-levels.

>base of operations is an apartment on the top floor of a 4 story building
>only accessible through several ladders cut through the rooms below
>looking out over the city while eating your pemmican
>solar panels and a farm on the roof
>manhacks blow through your window at night and chop your to pieces

>>146306926
current experimental builds have z levels that function in real time but a billion other things wrong that make the game hard to play, such as unloaded acetalyne torches spawning forcing you to use electric welders for vehicle modding

>>146306926
Doesn't it have z-levels already?

>>146306073
Skill rust is fucking shit.

>>146306483
>>146307241
I bet you use tiles, too.

>>146307189
It's completely unfinished. Buildings don't have roofs, your LOS has gaps, no 3D scentmaps, etc

>>146307349
I do.

Wanna fight?

>want to play CDDA
>check out the github
>annoying open bugs
>wait a few months
>repeat
One year 0.D will come and save me. Maybe.

>>146307176
>Arc and electric welder
Guys
guy
guys

What about
Welding

That requires

Different welders for different materials

Realism right?

Fuck the orb, I just want to find disco Pan but it just won't appear

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>>146307394
No.
Nothing I could do to you could be any worse than what you're doing to yourself at this very moment by simply being alive.

>>146307362
That does suck indeed

It would be so cool to have actual terrain elevation, mountains, ravines, other biome types like oceans, beaches, deserts, forests and so on. It could be so cool, building your car and going on a road trip around the world.

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how convenient

>>146307601
There is literally nothing wrong with playing with tiles and without skill rust.

LITERALLY NOTHING

>>146307438
What will you go when you find it?

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>>146307992

>>146307893
>it's actually a mimic

>>146308102
Prove me wrong.

would anyone know how to view your score while still alive in DCSS?

>>146308324
If by "score" you mean "shit you've killed," it's ).

>>146308447
>no missiles available, press F

>>146307893
>basilisks, redbacks, gargoyles, minotaur skeletons, hungry ghosts
Since when did the labyrinth become so fucking populated

>>146308798
Oh, well I'm using stable and haven't rebound anything.
Check your keybinds, ? -> 1.

>>146308447
that just gives me a no missiles, press f thing

I mean the actual score value used in the morgue file for hiscores

if it doesn't exist, I guess I can just edit the chardump and delete the check for if char is dead on adding score

>+1 scale mail of the Evening Star
>Slay +5
I'm fucking kenshiro

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T-thanks Oka

>>146303347
It's just a pool. They come in random colours. I think the only one that behaves differently is in the stone circle.

Consider the noble butterfly. A life spent scrabbling in shadow, only to emerge from their cocoon a perfect being. Not due to the beauty of their wings, or the nimbleness of their flight, but because of their singular purpose. To find a mate, to breed. I too have emerged from my own cocoon. A life spent under the light of purification, under a sky without stars. My death shroud, my wings. My fist, my purpose. I may not wield arms or don armour, but you may yet find that a butterfly can stop even the mightiest spear.

>The Pharaoh's Rebuff, Trials of the Lab

>spawm
>flaming eye destroys everything around me but doesn't damage me
sasuga Granada

>>146311247
Wait, is that all yours or did you modify an existing excerpt
that's pretty

>>146311404
dont ever mention be again you fucking faggot

>>146300763
here is the link from the cdda website
http://dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/Windows/Tiles/
the one with the biggest number is the recentest

there's no reason to pick a specific one unless there's some awful unfixed bug, in which case you pick the last one before the bug was introduced

>>146311839
Nice one loser I was actually talking about Kevin GRANADE you fucking imposter butliquor

>>146311553
I was flipping through Dune and thought the teachings of Muad'dib were fun. They're my own words, but they're inspired by the various excerpts at the beginning of every chapter.

>>146312069
Never fucking reply to me or my wife's son again!

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>>146312151
>dune
my nigga.

Does Int not affect CBM installation odds in stable?

>>146304905
for a 3 rune game?
there's a reason minotaur beserker is the most-recommended class to newbies
trog is seriously OP but he's not getting nerfed because
a.) the devs want an easy option for badplayer babbies
b.) otab gameplay is boring enough that good players don't like playing him
pakellas got nerfed because he had trog-tier power while also actually being interesting an fun to play

>>146312712
I've had more luck with Oka than Trog for 3 rune desu

>>146306483
skill rust is a stupid mechanic but it's also the ONLY mechanic stopping a 4-int character from reading an entire library over the course of a year and getting 9+ in every skill

speaking of which, having int affect reading speed without actually changing your potential skill is dumb. taking longer to read a book doesn't matter unless you're desperately low on food/water.

>>146312839
That means you're not really utilizing Trog enough.
Trog's hand makes it pretty unlikely to get banished and BiA is the best ability in the game.

>>146312434
Naga, you KNOW I be perusing the tribulations of Paul and his main fremen Duncan Idaho.

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>>146313017
>it's also the ONLY mechanic stopping a 4-int character from reading an entire library over the course of a year and getting 9+ in every skill
Actually not even that will stop them because there is a CBM that turns off skill rust.

>>146312839
Both are good.

I've only managed to reach Zot with Trog but I've heard a lot of people used Oka instead of Trog for their first win so, I guess both are good.

>>146308321
how about the fact that using tiles in cdda means you have approximately 0.1% of your character's field of view on screen at one time

ascii actually lets you see more than 2 feet in front of yourself

>>146313267
WHAT

>>146313367
Press z.

>>146313017
>not playing illiterate
Fucking casuals.

>>146313426
IF
you're ready to eat a tree ever morning

>>146308996
you can't see that score before you win because a large part a winner's score is based on turncount (lower is more points), which obviously doesn't make any sense if you haven't ascended yet

>>146313426
http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Enhanced_Memory_Banks
Anytime you would lose some skill, you instead have a 1/5 chance of spending a single point of power. Which is a completely trivial cost.

>>146313267
Yeah, and requires eating an entire tree each day when you wake up to power it.

>>146313595
>He doesn't recharge his power by walking
Some robit you are.

>>146313595
>>146313620
Interesting

>>146312567
i think it does but it's a relatively small effect. if you want to see a big increase in success chance you need to eat tons of drugs
(cigarettes and coffee work too i think)

>>146313017
Reading in general is stupid

I'm alright with books containing recipes but getting straight skill boosts for zero risk is shitty

>books no longer teach you recipes, but you use them as references to make the recipes contained within
>when you make an item using a book recipe you have an INT based chance of learning it permanently
>books no longer give you % advancement to next skill level
>books now have to be read entirely to get the benefit of one complete level
>you read an INT based amount of pages per day, books should take days to finish
>you can stop and pick the book up again (ie read 100 out of 400 pages, put it down, and then come back and start from 100 pages in)
>if a book can raise your tailoring from 0 to 3 you have to read it 3 separate times to get each level

youre welcome granade you faggot hack

>>146314052
That sounds tedious.

>>146314052
>Reading in general is stupid
spotted the american.

>>146311974
>Let me tell you the basics that you already know else you wouldn't be asking a specific question
Okay guy.
Also no, it's not actually very easy to ascertain exactly where the awful unfixed bugs aka features were implemented.

Hence why I asked and didn't spend couple days playing the 500 different commits between now and the version I got 4 weeks ago.

>>146313998
Apparently it does have an effect but I just wasn't noticing it because there's some bizarre rounding thing for success chance.
My failure rate didn't change at all until I got to +8 int from buffs and then it dropped by half.

>>146314840
if you have a specific awful unfixed bug you want to avoid you can ask "what is the last experimental before feature XXX was implemented"

other than that everyone just picks the latest one whenever they update
you're overthinking it

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I think smiting is an obnoxious mechanic in general.

>>146315536
It used to be worse.

>>146315634
polio used to be worse too, that doesn't really make it any better in principium

>>146315536
>>146315634
>>146315745
Smiting should take a turn or two to charge up as they pray to their god. Like entropy weavers' corrosion.

>>146315745
You used to be worse at roguelikes, that doesn't make you any good lmao

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That was unfortunate.

Why is spriggan SpEn so fucking shit now

Late game is an absolute death sentence

>>146317343
You're a fucking imbecile. SpEn is still the easiest combo in the game.

>>146317442
Nah, it got shafted a while back. It's pretty bad past mid-game, now.
t. 50+ 15 rune wins

>>146317636
Oh yeah, why?

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Well, once i cheese tomb and hell with TSO i know the reason why i'm switching to mahkleb

>>146317713
probably talking about the removal of invis

>>146317791
literally this

it's absolute garbage for 15 rune runs

>>146307189
i dont understand the high demand for such. every now and then some kid asks if its done, is it that important? there are no skyskrapers and cities ingame that would make it that interesting.

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>>146317948
>there are no skyskrapers and cities ingame that would make it that interesting.

they don't have those because theres no z-levels you dip

>>146317924
It really is not, you're still a Spriggan. It's just not so much mindless insta-win anymore.

>>146317786
And what's left of the game after you do that?

>>146318210
it's still not the extremely overpowered meme build that clears every single time anymore, like shitters like to claim

Can't you just cheese late game runes with cblink and your massive spriggan speed?

>>146318356
Pan and zigs, obviously
Although i never tried a single zig, and the only time i stepped into pan i landed in the middle of hellion island, so i wonder what'll happen this time

>>146299845
>tiles in cdda
what? are you serious?
>go play DCSS kid.

>>146318159
>They don't have those because theres no z-levels you dip
They don't have it because the game is located in new england.

SpEn are the easiest fucking thing. You just have to know how to hybrid properly. The only thing holding you back is your SHIT HP. But its not like you can improve that by turning into a statue or anything.

>>146319365
Is there any reason to keep the game set in New England besides giving them a dodge to avoid skyscrapers?

>>146319365
>>146319912
There's still office towers in the game.

>>146319365
The game is located in new england because it's the easiest fucking get out

>>146315536
>MistressOfTheDunes

Is one of the Tavern regulars flirting with you yet?

If yes, post logs pls.

In Granade's mind New England is perfectly flat and towns are separated by massive treeless perfectly flat fields

Toady snorts meth and never received formal programming training yet he can come up with advanced world generation and multitile trees. I think Cata could really use a dedicated autist with a focused vision of the future.

>try out IVAN, hearing it's humorously impossible
>kill a zombie, eat the corpse, start to rest
>you feel something violently clawing through your intenstines <x2>
>hm, I'm probably gonna turn into a zombie or have it's hand pop out of my guts
>suddenly my speakers shriek then pop as my computer bluescreens

jesus fuck I bruised my knee on the desk from jumping

>>146299436
Artemis is the Greek virgin goddess of hunting. Python is a Greek earth dragon. Artemis gets jealous that the player character wants to fuck a Lilim modified with a snek instead of her. Python is an allusion to a cock and virgin Artemis takes the whole thing into herself because she's desperate for it. That puddle on the ground in the last frame is semen

Advice: Have a specialized build setup, don't try to make your player character fill a ton of different roles. Always have a healer with high SP out. Never bite off more than you can chew. Retreat if you need to, especially from summoners/uniques, using your demons as decoys. Don't take shitty links that will get you killed like trying to link with Actaeon->Artemis

>>146319912
It's probably gonna stay the way it is. Even if we asume that New England has grown (somehow) since its 2049 ingame.

>>146320592
>flat fields
That have random squares of land mines placed, dont forget about that.

There was a guy that made a prototype city design and its was really good. People wanted him to make a mod... he didin't.

>>146319993
>>146319365
>>146317948
>>146306926
It's been, what, three years since the kickstarter? DDA is never going to have z-levels. The guy they hired to implement z-levels literally left because the code was so spaghootered.

A lot of people rabidly defending DDA are still in their honeymoon phase and think the game is the bee's knees. When another three years has passed and the only differences are more colors of jackets and some more overpowered guns, you'll probably change your mind.

>>146303347
Pools give you useful intrinsics and/or kill your horribly.

Apparently pools with your character's eye color have better chances of giving you good things.

>>146321613
>There was a guy that made a prototype city design and its was really good

Just looked it up, way too interesting to be in game. But magazines, the game really needs those.

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Alright fagets, DDFi^TSO
What do

>>146321632
Coolthulhu completed all the 3D demands in the request and he took the money.
He is still working on it but... you know, its cdda. Hes fixing and implementing stuff every day, i really wonder how he is doing stat-wise.

>>146321889
http://imgur.com/a/ONzan
Small alleys, large buildings, car wrecks. Interesting indeed.

Can't say much about magazines, all i can say is that CDDA is lucky to have Mugling and Coolthulhu in the 'team'.

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>>146322646
Give me a game entirely like this.

>>146322530
Regen doesn't work on Dwarves. An amulet that only gives you +15 HP is pretty shitty, there will be something better, like that other amulet (though you really should cover up for that rC- if you plan on using it).

I have never used a rod of the swarm. Bolt of inaccuracy is crazy good as long as the enemy has low EV, but DD are pretty beefy on their own already. You could consider it to soften a particularly nasty enemy from afar before it gets to you.

You should get the ring of the shadows if you don't have another Inv source. Inv is free Spider/Shoals rune because almost all the enemies can't see invisible. Not sure about Swamp, I almost never get it in my games despite having won a bunch of times already.

>>146322530
>>146323332
Does TSO mind the Umbra?

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>>146323124
heh i like the small apartments in the buildings. Nice touch.

>>146323505
What he said. Also, why is a cloud rod haram?

>>146323505
TSO doesn't care about umbra. He DOES care about hitting things from invis, but only if they're intelligent and non-evil. He won't care about using it in Spider but might take objection to Shoals.

>>146323505
Oh fuck I forgot to take TSO into account. Don't use it then, TSO doesn't like when you kill enemies while invisible (might want to check on Spider though, he doesn't mind you killing animals or mindless creatures like that, but Shoals is a no-no for sure)

>>146323753
It can create poison and negative energy clouds.

>>146323929
but you already do that on a daily basis.

>>146308324

this guy again, is there really no option for this?

>>146325231

see
>>146313597

>>146321632
I disagree. I think DDA is developed enough that even if work on z-levels and other big difficult features halts, someone else is likely to eventually take another attempt at completing them.

The game is pretty widely known for a roguelike, and the constant flow of new content makes development seem active and worth contributing to even if the game itself is diminished by bloat.

>>146325682
sorry, i missed that

so it looks like only hope is changing it in source to not include turn count while still alive

thanks

>>146325871
i mean you could do that but it would still give you a very inaccurate score that wouldn't give you much info about how many points you would actually have when you win

why do you want to see score anyways

>>146326036
train my neural net while it plays instead of waiting until it dies to see if it did better/worse

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Man, I shoulda known. It was spelled out for me

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>>146327932
Read d, e, h, n, and o.

>Doing shoals
>Octopode sneaks up on me and constricts me while i'm low on health
>Read ?blink
>It doesn't work
why is this a thing
why
i'm on 1 hp and that was my last scroll
why is shoals such a shithole

>>146328191
Constriction. Nigga knew your bitch ass would try to punk out, so he went full on "HOL UP *SMACKS @*".

>>146328191
you waited until 1hp before blinking?

>>146328191
>doing shoals
>totally ignore threat approaching
>get into melee of threat that prevents escapes
>try to use my last costly escape instead of evoking feet on literally any prior turn

anon you're retarded and bad

>>146328517
>>146328539
What part of "sneaks up" don't you understand? I'd just killed that one female merfolk unique, hidden behind one of the rune vaults to spam my healstick, and since the fucker swims fast he popped up right next to me
90 hp gone in two hits and then he threw me away like an used onahole

>>146328886
>doesn't stay away from the water
>throws away toys instead of washing them
You are bad at games and life.

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>>146328886
>What part of "sneaks up" don't you understand?
the part where you use the phrase "sneaks up"

Because, you know, monsters don't hide from you except with literal invisibility, so you were resting and doing stuff in or adjacent to the water in an area you had not cleared, presumably after making a bunch of noise in the fight with the prior unique.

So instead of "sneaks up on me" I would have opted for the phrase "spends a normal move to go from out of sight to adjacent to me because I made very bad decisions about my positioning in relation to terrain"

>>146328886
"In which anon faults and blames the game."

>>146329951
Truly timeless.

>>146313017
>I play CDDA for its difficulty!
There is no ending; there's not even meaningful endgame content. Your only objective (stay alive) is accomplished as soon as you start the game and no matter how many gubbinz you pick up or how buff you make your character it will never be any more accomplished.

it probably isn't a roguelike desu

>>146330779
We need a roguelike definition that isn't the Berlin Interpretation and actually matches up with the stuff discussed in these threads.

>>146331146
It's given like every other threads, and CDDA fits it as well as many other games, technically.
Top-down, turn-based, grid-based, procedurally generated, non-modal(usually with menus), permadeath.

>>146331742
That's too curt to really be a good definition unless you're talking to someone who already knows the roguelike meaning of these things and agrees with you. The Berlin Interpretation tries to unambiguously define what these terms mean, although it mostly doesn't do a very good job of that.

Non-modality in particular is pretty badly defined, and lacks a consensus on what makes a game too modal to be a roguelike.

>>146332993
not him but...I mean, you're talking about the definition and use of a contested word, so it of necessity is going to have some amount of fuzz in it dependent on the speaker/listener's knowledge/experience/social context

>>146332993
Isn't the berlin interpretation the one with the high and low value criteria that tries its hardest to wiggle out of giving an actual definition?

What is non-modal meant to exclude, anyway? Dungeon crawlers?

>>146333678
Yes, but just saying "turn-based" isn't even attempting to define how roguelike time systems work.

>>146333794
it excludes games that have separate "map" and "fight" screens

dungeon crawlers like Diablo are just about as non-modal as Angband is -- gameplay is all in one mode but there are menus for shops and shit

>>146333870
has turns
is incredibly based
qed

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Literally the best book.

>>146333870
Multiple roguelike time systems exist.
IVAN and DDA have "action accumulation" where you (and critters) get a number of move points per turn and spend those until their move points go below 0.
This is the closest to non-roguelike turn based systems.

ADoM has linear time where each action that takes time puts your next turn in queue, with queue "number" based on cost of that action.

Nethack and Powder have multiple "mini-turns" within a turn. Ability to act during each of those is determined by speed, with different mini-turns having different requirements.

Crawl does it like ADoM, I think. Just with much lower granularity (adom has 1000 points per action, Crawl has 10).

>>146334654
Servitor was buffed recently too. It now uses less retarded AI to choose which spell to cast. It casts higher-level spells more frequently instead of having an equal chance of choosing iron shot or magic dart.

>>146331742
Does it HAVE to be grid-based?

>>146335421
it doesn't HAVE to be grid-based, because it doesn't HAVE to be a roguelike

maybe if you wanna get fancy you can have a hexagon grid instead of a square one, but if you have no grid at all then it's definitely not a roguelike

>>146334732
I'm not familiar with the mini-turn system, but the others are different ways of ensuring everyone's turn is as short as possible, approximating real time while still waiting for the player to make decisions.

Most turn-based games that aren't roguelikes don't try to do this, and just let everyone take an arbitrary number of actions each turn, which is a major distinction that isn't covered by just saying "turn-based".

>>146335810
Just saying "grid-based" is similarly not definitive because a lot of games are technically "grid-based" but use very small grid cells to allow finer-tuned placement of objects. Roguelikes almost always have any creature be exactly the same size as one cell.

>>146336047
yeah these rules are more about what ISN'T a roguelike than what IS

>>146292629
>>146292687
>>146292954

They (and others) are being sold on an Etsy that I won't link here because rules. But if you go to tavern or the dcss subreddit, you'll find it easily enough.

>>146335421
hypothetically somebody could *try* to make a game that had some sort of continuous non-grid system for movement (think tabletop wargamers with measuring strings as opposed to grid-based play) and try to have it also be a roguelike

then we would play it and decide

But until somebody makes such a non-grid serious roguelike attempt, unless you can name and point me towards a non-grid roguelike, then I'm going to have to definitely say yes, it needs to be a grid, and I have never seen a game with no grid that I also thought was a roguelike

Do people like angband-style non-persistent levels in PosChengband, or do they put up with it for other reasons?

>>146338470
"Put up with" is a good way to describe poscheng.

>>146338581
Speaking of which, as someone who's never played any *band, how hard would it be to get to the endgame with a lazy combo?

>>146306483
everything about this image is wonderful

>>146338748
what is your tolerance for grindin'

>>146338926
Very high if it's consistent, i find it relaxing

>>146338748
It'll be worse than all those years you wasted in middle school playing runescape.

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>>146338748
hard, but if you were really really you won't be careful you could do it

lazy makes you basically 1 in 20 fail a lot of types of actions for no reason other than you were lazy. The monsters that drop the lazy items are stupidly powerful. If you can take them out, you could have done serpent well before.

they are, however, pretty fucking sweet items

>>146338470
I can't stand non-persistent levels.

>>146338748
Depends on your character, I'm sure. Maybe something like that confusion build from last thread wouldn't be as bad as most.

>>146338470
I like the semi-persistent levels. Levels are preserved until you leave a dungeon, and certain things (vaults, quests) are scripted layouts.

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Well, this isn't an acomplishment, given this nigga has the lowest HP of all the big bosses.
Still, it's something to look in the meantime.

Also, I've found an artifact called The Warlock's Mirror. Looks cool to be able to reflect even piercing attacks, but I don't know if I should replace my +5 Mirror Shield.

>>146338470
well PCB is a bit weird there compared to other *bands.
the levels actually persist until you leave the dungeon (although each staircase leads to a different version of the level)

>>146339563
> (although each staircase leads to a different version of the level)
not always
some stairs lead to different levels at the same depth, but there are often multiple stair links between a pair of floors, even if others stairs on the level don't go to that linked floor

>>146339556
Server?

>>146339556
who dat
don't be a pussy ass bitch that hides your name

>>146339778
Yes.

>>146339894
How am I supposed to bully you if I can't find you?

>>146339778
go to
http://crawl.develz.org/watch.htm
and look for an xl27 human (why doesn't that page list gods?)

but actually there are non on the list so he probably stopped playing

>>146314186
Welcome to Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead.

>>146339976
I wasn't playing, my man. I was on a break.

I'm in CAO; TheAlmightyOne.

>>146340139
Ah nice, I remember you. You're pretty good. Always wanted to see some death mango postend.

>>146340206
I'm shit, nigga. But I've survived long enough for some obscure reasons.

So is Tonberry Ninja playable, winnable, and fun?

>>146340859
Sounds like it. Ninja is a strong class and their huge multiplier crits probably synergize well with tonberry damage bonuses.

>>146341110
Cool, but what about the speed? I know Tonberries lose speed but ninjas gain speed, do they cancel each other out or is there a net gain?

>>146341431
Tonberries scale up to -5 speed at level 50.

Ninjas have at least +5 but it might be +7 or 8 actually.

>ROGUElike general
>people posting hacklikes
>people posting *bands

Go make your own general

>>146341984
does nethack count as a roguelike if you use wizmode to teleport to the rogue level on turn 1?

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Thanks? PCB AI everyone.

>>146343771
imagine if you were a priest trying to use divine magic. the sudden -20 wisdom could be quite shocking

>back to lab challenges
>do the usual
>get a furry suit for sleeping in
>About to bed down for the first night
>Coughs heavily
>What
>Really
>check
>COMMON COLD

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>>146343963
And that's why you shouldn't wear furry suits.

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>>146343963
>made the mistake of thinking Robust Genetics would be safe to take with uncontrollable mutations
>the only thing future survivors will find of me in the lab is an emancipated and dessicated corpse because of Fast Metabolism and High Thirst which I couldn't cure

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>>146345447
>emancipated

>>146345630
emaciated?

>>146345630
maybe he escaped only to die two steps later

>drive my humvee out to a home improvement store that I cleared out yesterday
>turn the engine off
>spend a few hours gathering up all the loot and dumping it in the truck
>time to head home
>"the engine makes a terrible clanking sound"
>what
>check
>0% battery
>battery is light green
>alternator is yellow
>grab some flashlight batteries and try to jump start the car with that
>turns out they removed that in one of the most recent experimentals
>haven't found any jumper cables on this save yet
>even if I did there are no other vehicles around
>out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with ~1800 volume of shit in my tacticool truck and no way to start it

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I see what people were talking about with basements in CDDA.

This is the third night.

>>146346024
>wielding cudgel
Hard nerf incoming soon, it's gonna be worse than pre-buff cudgel at this rate

>>146346024
>generic guns

If you weren't using that, you would be having a much harder time finding ammunition that matches the guns you found

>>146345885
they removed magically shoving double-A's into your car battery to recharge it?

>>146346224
Seems that way. When I highlight the battery on the car, the "re(f)ill" lights up but pressing f just closes the menu. Doesn't consume any batteries and doesn't recharge the vehicle.

I-I guess I need to actually learn how jumper cables work now.

How long until Granade forces Coolthulu & Midget to code rechargeable battery packs that act as battery magazines and does away with batteries as we know them?

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S P I K E S
P
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K
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S

>>146346189
That's cool. It seems a little strong for something I can wield on my first day.
>>146346208
I see. Maybe Generic guns should nerf quantities as well then.

>>146346406
Batteries are a little unrealistic actually. Battery charges are indistinguishable from the number of batteries. Based on the volume ratio, we can reason that what the game calls "100 batteries" is actually one large battery with 100 units of charge in it.

The problem is that this one battery with 100 charge can be freely split and re-combined, used for separate things, etc.

I know your comment was a joke but it would probably be more optimal than the current system we have.

inb4 people call me Kevin

>>146346315
sounds more like they broke it

>>146346627
I'm sure there's an elegant solution to this but I'm sure they'll ignore it and just add every kind of battery that currently exists in the world and make you use the correct one for each item

NPCs in DDA: yea or nay?

>>146346834
Fucking nay.

>>146346834
Dynamic is a clusterfuck.

>>146346834
Of course. NPC shenanigans are half the fun of DDA.

>>146346406
Granade doesn't have a lot of leverage. The only things he can really do are refuse to merge their pull requests for bullshit reasons, shift the development bounties from kickstarter stuff to dumb bullshit, or put his own money forward on dev bounties for stupid shit. Granade can't prevent people from forking their own DDA version if he refuses their good pulls, and he probably can't afford to bribe people to work on dumb things indefinitely.

>find a locked gun safe in the closet
>pick it
>it's empty
>go into the basement of the same house
>filled with guns, everything is out for the open and free for the taking, but there is another gun safe
>pick it
>it's empty

uhh

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Wow.

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And now the true ADOM begins. I swear every other sip from the darkforge pools is dooming. Fuck backtracking to get rid of doom take 1 sip then get doomed again.

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>it's been over a year since KA101 last posted on the DDA forums

rest in peace, my source of guaranteed (You)s

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Okay, yeah, I feel kind of overtuned.

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>>146347682
>Xe

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I have no idea which of these are even worth using.

>>146347319
DDA only rewards content devs, not mechanics devs. I think the item generation process is mostly the same mechanic whales first implemented, which is very swingy and doesn't make sense in many situations.

>>146348345
So I guess that's the other side of the coin of not using generic guns.

>>146348345
>set aside all the ones you don't have ammo for
>compare the stats of the remaining guns that use the same ammo and keep the best one with you

>>146348345
Go through and group everything into rifles, shotguns, pistols and other.
Then slim down with the following questions
>Do you have 5 or more full capacity worth of ammo?
>Do you have 5 or more mags each?
Then you decide whether you want to burn .22s, 9mm, 5.56 or your rarer rounds.

>>146348345
Just restart and use generic guns. Or better yet, play a game that isn't DDA, because DDA is all about analyzing a shitload similar options for minute benefits that probably don't make a real difference.

>>146348345
Usually I look for shotguns (work even on monsters you can't normally shoot easily, like smokers) provided you have 00 shot or slugs, or something with burst fire, usually 9mm since you end up with a ton of that.

>>146348808
If you have enough holsters it's faster to pull out a second gun than reload a mag, I think.

>>146349496
I usually go to shotguns first thing, but I've only managed to find 25 00 shot, so I'm kinda wary about using them all up.

>>146348345
Use the Beretta with a holster so if you ever get into a shitty situation you can drop the weapon and draw it

Bonus points if you can find a magazine for it

>>146349253
>DDA is Gentoo of roguelikes

>>146349253
>DDA is the roguelike of roguelikes

>>146351481
real roguelikes are about analyzing a shitload of options and dying because you picked the wrong one

dda is about analyzing a shitload of options and having slightly suboptimal furry RP if you picked the wrong one

>>146351672
>furry rp
>not picking flowers in the spring in a pretty dress and panties
fault

>>146351978
You're not disproving his point, Ms. Wolf in a dress and panties.

>NPC buddy and I get into a fight with a zombie soldier at a FEMA camp
>NPC breaks both arms and gets a deep wound on her leg, which turns into an infection
>find antibiotics
>"I want you to use this item"
>"Hell nah, I don't fucking trust you enough to ma'fuckin' eat out of your ma'fuckin' hand!"
>okay fine
>"hold on to this item" tends to work to get them to eat food when they're hungry
>"hold on to these antibiotics"
>"thanks!"
>doesn't take them
>eats some popcorn and falls asleep

She's gonna die, isn't she?

>>146352156
Excuse you, that'll be Xs. Slime in a dress and panties and stockings.

>>146352837
You should be able to use first aid on her, if you have some.

>>146353229
>first aid kits cure infections now

oh, huh.

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What the hell are electrohacks for?

>>146353584
For a goddamned age, actually.

>>146353854
Hacking into computers, also card readers.

>>146353854
you can use them to hack computers but there are very few computers in cdda and even fewer that you actually have a reason to hack

AFAIK they're only useful for getting into labs or military bunkers without an ID card

>>146354024
>>146354153
But the description says they CAN'T be used with computers, which was what got me wondering in the first place.

>>146354153
You can open electronic safes and get free gas from those automated gas stations as well.

I don't recommend using one on a military bunker.