/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Dead genre

>>146092328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos

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>>146092485
>not even 100 IPs last thread

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First for Cheibriados. May you take it easy in all your endeavors.

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Don't fall for the memes
the glyphs are wrong
don't get redpilled by grenade's shills

>Want more experience in armour so I can wear a cast better
>Want more experience in conjurations for OoD
>Want more experience in spellcasting for better utility spells
>Want more experience in shields for a large shield
>Have a manual of dodging that I need to burn
>Literally every weapon, need to pick something better than my laj
I never asked for this.

>>146092952 see >>146092915

>>146092996
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/17267

>>146093475
Based.

>Cata's cities aren't surrounded by sprawling farm land
>there's no city centers, no commercial districts, no downtowns etc

Why do Cata cities make no sense? Have the devs never been outside?

>>146092887
and yet several were new

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Should I go to snake or swamp first? Not shown is a +6 eveningstar of freezing, pluto sword, a wand of hasting and a wand of heal wounds.

I am good on emergency potions, but I am a lot lower on scrolls of teleportation and other escape tools, so if I get into a fight I would prefer to engage rather than run.

>>146093858
probably swamp if you don't have any rElec

>>146093858
>10 EV
Snake will fuck you up really badly. Do swamp.

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I lose about 1000 damage per round but I get immunity to elec, sharpness, and the opportunity to free up my glove slot.

If I actually had a non-glove source of rShards I could wear this with Thanos for immunity to the three elements that matter.

>>146093804
its located in New England
>common defence used by devs and Kevin Granade

>>146093962
Alright. I don't and I almost forgot about how annoying the electricity. Should probably put some more points in armor so that Oka is more likely to give me a randart.

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>>146094251

>You cut him in half!

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I wish I could stun him.

oh boy I just remembered fighting him in melee is really bad

>>146095251
>500 hp
>Not even close to killing him
anon what are you doing
>>146095606
what are you doing
do you like being buttfucked by cyberdemons or what

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>>146095705
Chill bro I got this

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He didn't summon a lot, which is good. I just spammed rockets/disintegration and then phase door'd when he got near.

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>>146095981

oh cool he dropped amber
that's a nice thing to die to the serpent with
gives you dignity

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/josefromcouch/josefromcouch.txt

I really don't know if I should invest towards another weapon. I feel really good with my defenses/spells since they only need a little more investment to be where I want them. The laj is great, and I can use it for the rest of the game but it'd feel like a bit of a waste. Too many options and they're all good. I'm leaning towards Frostbite if I do make a change, but god damn. I don't know that I'll ever have that spare experience.

>>146095981
WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOOOOOOOO

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I hate this fucking last fight
so fucking much
I swear to god

>>146096643
>The Serpent of Chaos
>The Destroyer
>Abhoth, Source of Uncleanliness
>Cantoras, the Skeletal Lord
>Hand druj
>Death mold
this is fine

/rlg/ is the only reason I keep coming back to 4ch nowadays

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It's not worth it
It's never worth it

>>146096643
You can do it Anon

>>146097148
>Only 31 speed
>Not even level 50
>Trying to melee big J at all
You knew what you were getting yourself into

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>>146097297
I didn't even melee
I just spammed rockets
and I was wearing a ring of +11 and a ring of +8
I didn't want to grind twenty hours for feanor

It's okay anon

I'm going to play a Death Sword

goodbye cruel world

you know what I wanna try
a demigod berserker that gets the rune sword as the reward of the thieves quest

>>146097709
There should seriously be a guaranteed rune sword somewhere. Maybe as an arena reward or a drop from a dungeon boss.

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>>146098293
Ain't nobody goat the time fo' dat

>>146098293
Or just make the quest-giver ask if you want the regular reward or a Rune Sword for the thieves quest since it sells for 1AU now.

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I may have miscalculated

I gave it the specific ID and everything

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Oh hey now it w-
Rerolling.

>>146099074
>he autodestroyed "cursed nameless weapons" instead of "cursed nameless common weapons"

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>>146099074
Christ.

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my house is full so I have to throw out all my useless low-level devices instead of just hoarding them forever

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Rerolled.

We're going places.

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That guard has pursued me for 3 terrains, all my gear is breaking down and the demon lord has 4k hp left.

Apparently you get a bounty for killing jade forest guys. JUST

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>>146099921
>dragon
My wish has been fulfilled

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L-Lewd!

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Just like the Kool Aid man.

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I have jerryrigging but now my chief concern is that the character is becoming a hungry skeltal from having no fucking food for several hundred kilometers now

-Would you like to identify the thread?-

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rekt

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>>146102235
Some ridiculous hitman wolf killed me from FULL HEALTH even in that ridiculous holy armor, in a single hit

>>146102681
AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!

>>146102279
N

>OgTm
This is so dumb why did i think to try

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Probably the class that benefits from this the most.

>>146103087
Join Chei, play it as a melee character who can fill the screen with snakes if needed

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>>146102843
Don't fuck with awoo.

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>>146103169
Do Berserkers get any form of Trap detection or will they be stepping on every Armageddon trap late-game?

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Thank you jesus

>>146103169
What race are you playing?

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This is super OP.

Apparently the confusion blast is a level and stat check instead of confusion resistance, and seems to be working quite often even against uniques. It even costs nothing to use.

Pretty sure no one ever has played this class.

>>146104446
Demigod of ares.

>>146104480
Huh ok that sounds good, but otherwise abherrations sucks so I guess it balances out. I tried the angel one and died at lvl 30 like an idiot.

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>>146104082

>>146104652
It's giants, actually. You get a ranged stun at level 5, pretty good hp (I'm a hobbit, so a real race would have even more), decent melee, shards/sound/chaos resist, can summon giants.

>>146104480
What combo are you playing as?

>>146105146
Wow the class got completely reworked.

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>it's easier to find journals detailing top secret government recipes for mutative agents in doctor's offices than a fucking stethoscope

>>146105442
Hobbit warlock, giant pact. Hobbit is more for the silliness of throwing around boulders as a midget than because it's actually good for the class.

>>146105708
Priorities.

>>146103087
Come on, you gotta become the 500 HP chei dragon

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>>146103249
It's not like Tm can go as anything other than chei, the stats are too good
>>146106851
I'm trying man
Also nice vault, i'm coming back once i can actually survive it

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rlg i think i might starve to death in this quest

I went in with no food and no recall and it turns out the exit is actually not at the entrance.

I have to get past a room of 4 drujes at the same time before I can get to the <

The pasta said there were drujes but It didn't say anything about "you have to fight 4 at once"!

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Well I killed the two farther ones with my android rocket breath, but now that I'm starving to death I'm constantly losing HP and I've run out of healing potions and staves.

If I actually walk into vision of the two last drujes I'll definitely die, so I guess I'll just sit hear and hope for my healing stave to recharge.

>>146107443
>the druj room
yeah fuck

also if you remove a source of regeneration it will decrease your hunger clock

>>146108296
drink potions
at least I know clw etc potions give nutritional value

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>>146108618
I'm an android. I only get nutrition from oil.

Chugging all my !curing and !CCW didn't bring me above "Faint" although it did give enough hp to stave off death for a few turns

>>146108296
you can recall out of quests

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>>146108845
I had a habit of dropping recall for more inventory space because I thought you always started on the upstair.
I guess I won't do that any more.

>>146109074
reminds me of the anon a long time ago who played a caster, learned Satisfy Hunger, dropped his rations, went into the overworld, had his book stolen, and starved

>>146109074
>dropping recall for more inventory space

oh shit nigger what are you doing

Jesus the Ultima Ratio Regum guy is implementing dialects and language learning

The game is going to be great in a decade or two

>>146110412
Also, I'l literally cream my pants if magic mods start being made once the game's done. I'm sure my grandchildren will love it

>>146110385
starving to death, anon

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whew, such a lucker

before they removed stasis that's what I always used, explicitly to defend against chaos branded attacks

>>146110412
>game
You mean dancing, dressing up, face recognition, fart smell analysis simulator.

By the end of this century, you'll be able to converse with genetically generated virtual characters on diverse (procedural) topics assuming you know at least one of their languages, marry one of them in procedural cathedral of a procedural religion and have procedural children with them.
You still won't be able to fight, though.

>>146110809
>removed stasis

but anon they want you to use >interesting tactics

>>146110827
>implying that wouldn't be amazing
The guy has kept a steady workflow for the whole of the development and seems to have done everything he promised yet. Procedurally generated DYNASTIES and succesion laws are currently on the dev plan. If nothing else it'll create ridiculously fleshed out civilizations with detailed histories, cultures, languages, etc. which would be an accomplishment on its own

>>146110809
Wew. RIP man. Did you ever get your 2 tile LoS?

>>146110809
It's at times like this you regret not picking Ru or Chei

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Deepest I ever got. Died due to ally AI going full retard and trying to meet up with me via a circuitous route after I crossed a bunch of flaming brimstone... instead of fighting the tentacle horror that was ravishing them. Once I lost all my allies and finished the tentacle monster I got cornered by a pack of dar and my +6 Rapier did not suffice to solo them all.

This Revenant tho

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I don't really get these decks. I have 27 evo and am drawing a pre-ID'd Alchemist from a legendary deck, and it only restores a couple dozen HP.

>>146111571
No, I never found that darn robe of night, just a gajillion other undrandarts. My dream was to get the robe of night, boots of the assassin, and some polearm, then cast darkness, so everything in my LOS would be in reach of my polearm and stabbable the turn it came into my LOS. I would switch to Ashenzari and use his passive detection to navigate through the extended game, with double the stealth that the in game display shows at max, just wandering around popping things as I saw them. It was gonna be so fun.

>>146111662
I would never have gotten that far with Chei or Ru. Also I was silenced, which was the nail in the coffin for my character, and ru/chei would have been useless in the same circumstances.

>>146111662
Ru in zig sounds crazy, but I'm not sure that either would have helped him in that situation. Seems like once you get silenced with panlords around, you're super boned. PC demonic gesturing when?

I have GDA (im at 23 str, ill use it when is a little bit higher in the meantime im using a mottled dragon armour), use no weapon (TrMO) and have wand of hasting and heal wound. What should i acquire?

>>146112692
Weapon will potentially get you a shield if you want one. Otherwise, jewelry or misc evokable. Maybe armour anyway for some dope ass -2 hat.

>>146112875
>Weapon will potentially get you a shield if you want one.

naga you high, shields are armor acquirements

>>146111531
>Procedurally generated DYNASTIES and succesion laws are currently on the dev plan. If nothing else it'll create ridiculously fleshed out civilizations with detailed histories, cultures, languages, etc.

>This is a dude. He has lost a finger. His mother milks cows. His house has a leaking roof. The language he speaks has 32 letter alphabet. The language of the neighboring faction doesn't have a guttural 'ghr' sound, making it hard for them to learn local language.
Details aren't interesting on their own. Not even if they connect to a bunch of other details.

And since a ton of it will be hardcoded, the details themselves will not be all that connected.

>Evoking Olbreb's Staff gets me a venom bolt and a toxic radiance for 4 MP
HOLY SHIT

>>146112875
i already have a shield of rPois and rN. I could try to get something better than my +2 hat or get jewelry.

Around what level does a troglodyte become capable of surviving Trog's tantrum?

>>146111531
Doesn't DF already have all that?

>>146113585
When you learn Blink and have a few teleport scrolls

Wizards 1
Filthy dumb trog scum 0

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These high level randarts are kind of crazy.

>>146112692
It's fine to wear gda with 23 str if it gives you higher ac+ev.
Wand or armor.

>>146112875
Jewellery acquirement is really shit. The code that generates jewellery acq makes more useless items than the code for armor.

>>146113585
When you can survive something like 2 berserking stone giants, 2 berserking hill giants and a berserking troll appearing surrounding you at any moment.
That means when you have blink and then teleport.

>>146113178
It's on early alpha at most and it's already more dynamic and alive than your strawman by several orders of magnitude
>And since a ton of it will be hardcoded, the details themselves will not be all that connected.
You literally can't know this. And from what he's actually posted in his blog, that would require him to ditch everything and remake the game from scratch to make it substantially shittier

>>146111959
dicksman?

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I thought the double daeva zig vault was dumb.

>>146114106
no I'm your friendly neighborhood Demon shill, filling the wait for the relic upgrade release with shitty roguelike art and Brogue

>>146113713
Not really. At its most complex Dwarf Fortress generates samey civilizations

>>146114223
You're an ant, get in there and slice his ass

>>146113879
yeah. i was comparing ac+ev, and it barely gives me more now.

>>146114364
Ayy nigga me too except I'm playing notroguelikes

>>146114030
>>146114406
The shilling is real holy fuck

>>146114030
>and it's already more dynamic and alive than your strawman by several orders of magnitude
Nigger that was just an example of how does all that extra complexity look like.
You're the one strawmanning here by considering it a complete description.

>You literally can't know this.
I can actually.
That's because the complexity he's aiming for is not achievable with fully general means short of simulating evolving creatures with intellect.
Which I can be certain he won't do, since Google - a giant company - didn't manage that yet despite it being guaranteed gigatons of money.

>And from what he's actually posted in his blog, that would require him to ditch everything and remake the game from scratch to make it substantially shittier
Or you to learn some basics about software design, programming and AI.

Your dreams of an alive world are just that - dreams.
There are limits of what can be feasibly done and you obviously don't know shit about those.

>>146114581
I dug around and bopped him in his bone hole. he knew haunt, which was super annoying.

>>146115018
You know there's already functioning executables available, right? The worldbuilding shit which you're saying is impossible is almost done

>>146115594
>The worldbuilding shit which you're saying is impossible is almost done
Learn to read you fucking retard

>>146116341
That guy was a shitter and a mad man for thinking that abyss was fun.

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>>146116341
>start talking about roguelikes
>end up talking about muh degeneracy muh trannies muh fags
/pol/tards are the worst
And they have shit taste too.

>>146097297
I killed J with 15 speed before no sweat man.

>>146116719
>it's okay for reddit to force gender politics into my roguelike
>it's not okay for /pol/ to complain about it though

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Makhleb once again proving that he is the Okawaru to TSO's Trog.

>>146116314
Anon, I know you're very bitter about something. I'll have to be brief and tell you you're far overstimating your level of insight. The things on URR which have been announced are either done or being implemented, it's not in the drawing room. You're things like that you'd need to make a fully sentient, evolving creature to achieve the level of complexity he wants with absolutely no basis. What, out of all his plans, do you think is impossible?

>>146116925
How's the haul?

>>146116943
>You're things like that you'd need to make a fully sentient, evolving creature to achieve the level of complexity he wants with absolutely no basis.
Learn into complexity vs. depth.

Complexity alone isn't good. Complexity is better when things interact with each other. Things interact by pure hardcode (scripts), hardcoded interaction of dynamic data (DF, URR) or by natural processes (not in any vidya).

What you're deluding yourself is a living, breathing world is actually a system of
>slaves don't go to king's chamber
>merchants sell wares from 10.00 to 16.00
>merchants can only sell wares to those who share a language with them
and so on.

This isn't deep. It's complex in the sense that there is a lot of those hardcoded interactions, but it's the same shit as DF.

If you had any knowledge regarding software design, you'd notice that pretty immediately.

>>146117467
+1 Pl8 of Freedom {rF++, Str +2, Int +2} which I'm wearing over my +8 GDA. Dropped 13 AC, gained 3 EV but I can cast all my spells and regained stealth. I'll wear the GDA again once I have better skills. I think it was a bit too early for it.

>>146117675
10 AC, not 13. I rebranded my Laj, which is now on fire.

>>146105708
Vets, apparently. And hospitals.

>>146117601
Yes, it's not a fucking alternate reality. Everyone knows that. Nobody expects it to be. Nobody claimed it was. That is not the developer's goal.

>>146118145
>Nobody claimed it was.
Wrong:
>>146113178
>If nothing else it'll create ridiculously fleshed out civilizations with detailed histories, cultures, languages, etc.
Then, when I described how will those details look, you started whining about strawmen that weren't there.

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>28/28/28
>Fighting 14/Staff 14
Feels good.

>>146116341
That post is completely correct, the apple generation is ruining everything. DCSS was already getting picked apart for years by egomaniac faggots and autists who only want to mash O and tab, and egomaniac faggots trying to applease the autists and hamper them at the same time with their countless shitty new gimmic enemies, and then they started to bring sjw shit into the game too.

>>146116341
>I want the game to be fair but RNG bullshit is fine when I like it

>>146118412
Did I really need to specify "It'll create ridiculously fleshed out civilizations with detailed histories, cultures and language when compared to similar amateur projects and within the limitations of modern science and logic"? I was saying you were using a strawman because it's more complex than what you depicted in your post, not because I was arguing that the URR dev was making the fucking Matrix

>>146118671
>All multiples of seven
Jackpot is right, are you going for a 3 rune or more?

>>146118797
>rng is hardcore

>>146118916
Probably going to waltz through extended. I have statue form on the backburner, although I'd prefer lich form. Ant extended sounds pretty spooky though. I tend to pull the trigger on teleports a lot earlier than most people in pan, so I'm having trouble imagining how that'll go.

>>146118412
Possible actual autism

>>146118865
So your shitty vaporware game is just like a worse DF. Good to know

>>146116341
What a whiny baby

>>146119223
Anon all I was saying was that the game was going to be a nice simulation even if none of the actual gameplay bits got made, Then you began ranting about software design, hard AI and a bunch of similarly unrelated crap because you apparently assumed I was saying the URR dev was a god capable of conjuring perfect simulations of the real world.

The thing is, making that assumption was stupid on the first place. Amazingly stupid. It's like if I told you my mom was a good cook and then you yelled that my mom wasn't a master chef working at a 3 michelin star restaurant cooking ambrosia for the olympian gods so therefore she couldn't possibly be a good cook.

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Someone should make a right-winged crawl.
It would be full of tedious bullshit mechanics like having to manually swap to a cutting weapon to butcher corpses, having to regularly pray to prevent the god from disliking you, random instakills you can do nothing about, wading in water permanently damaging your worn armor if it is made of iron, 0.1% chance for a hit to be a crit that deals 3x as much damage and females requiring armors with extra breast space (except for lizard race females).
Also tons of different weapons (most of which obviously subpar), no uniques going against their gender roles, scroll generation padded with tons of flavor types that do nothing at all and tons of /pol/ memes like "cuck" and "degeneracy".

>>146119801
>It's like if I told you my mom was a good cook and then you yelled that my mom wasn't a master chef working at a 3 michelin star restaurant cooking ambrosia for the olympian gods so therefore she couldn't possibly be a good cook.
More like you said your mom makes ridiculously detailed food like holy fuck, then I looked at her food and said that it's just a pizza with one side having pineapple and the other mustard, then you started stomping around screaming that you never said she's a gourmet chef.

>>146119851
> having to manually swap to a cutting weapon to butcher corpses
This was actually in the game I think. It's why there are Ash altar vaults with necromancy books, it's so you can get chunks by raising skeletons when you're carrying a cursed blunt weapon

>>146120252
>>146119801
The fuck is wrong with you people

kys

>>146120364
>not liking food analogies
Hello, reddit!

>>146109074
the royal crypt quest is awful

>>146120252
On the context we're talking about, we're comparing her pinneaple-and-mustard pizza to everyone else's plain cheese pizza, so it's reasonable to think I'm talking within the context of pizza rather than the as of yet undiscovered realm of non-pizza cuisine

>>146119851
Don't forget women having -2 to strength

>>146119851
>females requiring armors with extra breast space
>implying women can be adventurers

>>146119851
Well they've already made left-wing crawl. Players are only allowed to be strong if they play exactly like the dev overlords want, everything "scummy" and "problematic" has been patched out, there are plenty of strong womyn wearing politically correct armor and the game can be played on an iPad with two buttons.

>>146120628
But those "plain" cheese pizzas have different flavors of cheese, different sauces etc.
Your mom puts the pineapple in different shapes and proportions and calls it a new pizza type.
Also, the crust is undercooked.

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This looks bad.

>>146120975
>The Joke attacks Your Head! It misses! It misses! It misses!

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>>146121191
Send help. I hope I don't fail a teleport level.

>>146120975
Get the sand out of your pussy

>>146121454
I hope you teleport right next to something hilariously weak and get last-hitted by it.

>>146121454
Isn't that a fun mechanic?

>>146121191
summoning and paralysis blood curse, goooood

>>146121538
t. Sweden

I like death swords because they're the most Skinner box class in the most Skinner box game

PCB should just get rid of the UI, the whole game should be you gain 1 exp for pressing a button, when you gain 50 million you defeat the serpent. Every 5 minutes the game displays a random artifact.

>>146121098
Mom's pizza is undercooked, yes. All of mom's recipes take longer than they could or should, since she doesn't have a cookbook and has to learn by practice. So it is unfair to pass judgement on the finished dish right now, when she's just experimenting and all of her attempts are incomplete in some way. Her pizza will not be the ultimate form of a pizza, but it could eventually gain some distinction and notoriety even if it is fundamentally a slight variation of pizza. And mom will be most likely satisfied with that. That won't stop me from telling everyone about the mustard pizza, even if there are good reasons why it should

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>>146121836

>>146092328

To be honest I don't see why people care so much about changing genders in crawl. I never even payed attention to any of the special characters other than Sigmund and a few others, most of them really aren't that memorable enough to have become attached to. Grinder especially, I couldn't care less about him being changed. I know PC is annoying but it doesn't really bother me in this case since not much lore is attached to NPCs anyways.

>>146122014
Because people will take any excuse to slide around the internet and fight about their faggot opinions

>>146121875

This is hilarious to watch you guys arguing with extremely long posts involving pizza analogies holy shit famalam.

>>146119143
You could very easily get fucked over in pan with a portal. Chei's step from time is a godsend (ha) to formicids, but it's a lot less effective in a unique pan lord's lair where he'll stay on patrol.

>>146121875
The point is, it is still just a pizza with some weird ingredients. Not a new kind of food, not a pizza that turns into cheesecake when left in the oven.
Also, it looks a lot like pizza made by Toady's mom, except with pineapples and mustard instead of pears and mayo.

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Did they ADD a unique?

>>146122549
what if roguelikes were all milfs

>>146122697
Yeah.
Here are her tiles: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/149a522f2c5ba49cb4ef7355b7d1cfffdb7b5fed

Also Meliai tile is done too: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06b4ce4d803050c4de573e4b44d854ea95944f3c

>>146122014
>>To be honest I don't see why people care so much about changing genders in crawl.
I think it's mostly because of how arbitrary is it.
It's like if suddenly half of the hotdog stands in the city turned into beef roast stands, but kept their colors, mascots and everything, just because someone wants more beef roast to be sold.

>>146123032
Please no more tortured food analogies

>>146122736
I'd buy that for a dollar

>>146123031
Huh, she displayed as a normal storm dragon for me. Really neat tile. I expected the Meliai tile to look more... Greekish I guess.

>>146123032
It'd be like if they changed from ketchup to catsup, if we're going with bad food analogies.

>>146122736
Then they'd be fucked.
They'd be outdated, but there would be people trying to make them look younger, to make younger people more interested in them.

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Sweet christ

>>146123190
Crawl would be laid back and have giant milky tits

>>146123032

It really isn't a big deal though IMO. I'm usually annoyed by PC more than average people are but this doesn't bother me at all.

To me DCSS isn't tht immersive and the lore is bland af so I'm not attached to any of the characters. Sigmund is cool but that's only because I used to die to him back when I was new.

>>146123397
god damn

>>146116341
First of all, the exp required to spawn an exit out of the Abyss is based on character level so if you're low level you can exit faster than if you're high level. And for good reason, banishment at low level was outrageously more powerful than any other effect an enemy could inflict on you.

Second, the exp required to spawn an exit can be adjusted, and WAS increased.

Third, the abyss is still just as dangerous when you get banished to level 3+. But without the stupid exit rng.

>>146119851
What triggered you today?

>>146123397
haha what kind of fag name is that farn shaking my damn head

>>146123397
>

>>146123032
That's like the complete opposite of what it is, since hot dogs and roast beefs have different taste and content, while pixel art is purely cosmetic.
>arbitrary
Do you think games make themselves you dumb cunt, of course it's arbitrary, they're in charge of the game.

>>146122014
Because I care about some of the uniques. Cerebov is badass and I will forever refer to him as male.
Aizul is a unique whose flavor I liked, will also refer to him as male.
Ijyb I don't really care about but might refer to him as male to piss off sjws.
Many uniques I don't care about but some I do.

>>146124128
>Ijyb I don't really care about but might refer to him as male to piss off sjws.
Just reread what you wrote and acquire a semblance of self-awareness.

Holy dildo-swallowing Christ
>call an incredibly minor female character "he"
>to "piss off sjws"
>on a russian child raping forum

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too much stuff help

>>146124410
Sorry, I didn't mean to piss off sjws in this thread. I meant on webtiles chat and forums.

>>146124490
I don't think you have enough healing.

Do you actually use the meteor wand?

>>146110412
Looking back I bet you wish you'd never shilled to begin with at all.

So how do I make Control Undead in Tomb work? Just spam scrolls of vulnerability (or just the spell if I run out of scrolls) and hope for the best? Reliance on stairdancing is always getting in my way of speedrunning that shit.

Can you silence a wretched star so that it won't inflict you with aids?

>>146123459
crawl would be a crazy anorexic lady obsessed with removing weight

>>146125429
No, and if you're playing trunk it tells you which abilities can be silenced in the monster description. (it's the ones that require the monster to make a sound to cast and wretched starts "glow" to cast)

What the fuck is up with laser sight attachments on cata? Well, sights attachments in general. Seems like instead of altering stat values like most other attachments, they just completely replace the stats they affect on whatever they're added to, which means that you can only have ONE actually do anything regardless of how many other ones you have attached to the same weapon. There's also some weapons that don't seem to be affected by certain ones, like I have a mossberg shotgun that isn't being affected at all by a rail laser sight I have on it. I think this is due to the laser trying to change the mossberg's sight dispersion from 90, to 100, which would be slightly worse, but for some reason the game doesn't want to allow that stat to be made worse(even though aim speed would be improved) so it just ignores the attachment? Seems kinda fucked to me.

It sucks too because there's not a whole lot of attachment options to begin with, and in the case of the rail mounted laser sight it's the only option for the rail for like half the gun types(launchers, handguns, smgs). There's also the fact that the only other option for the rest of the weapons with a rail slot is the rail mounted crossbow. Which means you have a choice for your rail between a rail laser sight, maybe a rail crossbow, or nothing at all. Of course, chances are that the rail laser sight is already rendered useless by an improved iron sights, or the other laser sight. So if your weapon doesn't support the crossbow(or you don't want to use it/take the hit to dispersion), and you already have either the other laser sight or an improved iron sight, then the rail laser is pointless and you're shit out of luck for options on that slot.

>death swords

>no death armors
>no death boots
>no death shields
>no death rods

>>146125734
>death rods
magic eaters familia

also there are death rings

i agree there should be a death armor race though. probably they would eat shields too

>>146125542
It just says that it possesses magical abilities that may be affected by antimagic. Thanks though.

>>146125734
>death lanterns

>>146125901
I'd be okay with it as long as they were stunted as fuck in melee

>>146125916
Yeah so if something has abilities that are affected by silence it would say so.

>>146125982
They should have golem-style melee with damage based on their AC
or maybe shield-bashing like a weaponmaster but i think that's less cool

>>146125606
Yea I know it's weird. I just stack as many attachments as possible to my assblasting rifle anyway and try to believe that it makes a difference even if it doesn't

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Confusion blast still ridiculous in endgame. Though chasing the stumbling athena around to keep her in range once confusion ends is harder than it sounds like it would be.

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Was this a greater vault?

I'm attempting to kill the tempest dude in ToME as an archmage using mostly lightning magic. Besides the lightning and storm trees what other spells/items should I get.

>>146128084
You probably want as much gear with resist penetration as you can get.

Would anyone be interested in helping a 2-year runeless virgin git gud at DCSS?
I'm an impatient shitter and need to learn a thing or two.

My username on akrisiac is lark774 if you're interested.

>>146128227
step one: mumo

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Lugonu's closet is absolutely fucked. I end up hating myself every time I take abyss as my 3rd rune. This is that stupid chaos cloud vault mixed with like 8 liches. I've already fought a bunch that wandered out too.

>>146128227
I'll take a break and spectate you.

>>146128084
>>146128197
A lot of lightning resist.

Does he actually resist lightning a lot? I never checked.

>>146128882
Actually I'm not sure, I just guessed.

>>146128882
pretty sure he has 100% lightning resist, but last time I played was 1.3.3. the last storm spell lets you ignore like 20% lightning resist though.

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>>146126368
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>>146129958
Never fucking make a post like this again.
Just link to the source code since most people don't force a monospace font onto 4chan and posting an image fucks it up anyway.
Jesus christ.

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>>146129958
Is that a yes?

>>146129958
TOP YLINEN

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>>146130238
yeah, and it's specifically the one named "(nethack castle (almost))" which is cute

compare with nethack castle (this pic)

>>146129958
>>146130238
those 8 tiles are the juiciest ones btw, not the 9 tiles

>Still no torrent for Vanilla Bagel

Looks good. I want to steal it.

>>146130838
You can't steal it, the author will still have his copy.

Why do ninjas always try to reforge for feanorian lamps of darkness?

Can't they just use a lantern that's out of fuel?

>>146131268
WHY DIDN'T FRODO JUST RIDE AN EAGLE INTO MORDOR

>>146131268
The darkness ego gives you negative light that cancels out artifacts that increase your light radius.

Unless you mean reforging onto a lantern instead because it's lower power and might get more stuff on it? Looks like that isn't possible (at least, it isn't with a torch).

>>146131268
You want darkness so that you can use {Lu} weapons and items which are otherwise great for ninjas.
For example Sting provides light.
>>146131684
No, he's saying why not reforge onto a lantern and then let the lantern run out of fuel (because it provides no light).

>>146131684
Well surely you can get a normal lantern of darkness as well?
And I thought part of the point was getting some stats in the lantern slot, which is otherwise often empty for ninjas.

>>146132150
>why not reforge onto a lantern and then let the lantern run out of fuel
Because the game doesn't let you reforge on a lantern. Not even using mundanity on it will let you do it.

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at some point it must be easier to just give the thing "telepathy" and be done with it

>>146132719
Sense is better than ~Tele, since monsters which are "not detectable by telepathy" are seen by it. ~NoLv is a particularly good one. As is ~evil and ~Z.

>>146133010
I just thought it was funny how many different types are on it.

I've also seen some with ~GoodEvil, but not yet any ~LivingNolv

In any case I probably won't wear it because I have Ol' Jacky's cloak and a hat with actual stats on it.

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>>146131591
Gandalf even said for them to fly.

>>146131591
The eagles don't give a shit about the domains of men.

>>146093804
Primitive mapgen. Whales was no Toady One, and none of the devs after have been interested in improving it.

>No matter how far to the east you drive, you will never reach the ocean
>You will never visit post-apocalyptic Boston

>>146092328
>(embed)

>>146135785
Cata is wasted potential: the game

>>146138370
Give me 5 years and Whalesbucks and I'll make you a better not-Cata.

>>146138962
LazyCat plz

Just started playing DC:SS again since the 0.18 update. Rolling with VpAs and my blowgun isn't doing as much work as I remember it doing in other stabber runs. Did they nerf needle-stabbing?

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I could confuse zeus, so it should be possible to confuse the serpent. It wasn't exactly reliable though and the fight was actually kind of dangerous, so I guess this character won't be as cheesy in the final fights as it seemed until now.

It's still incredibly OP, though.

>>146140062
Needles now scale much more with throwing.
With low throwing needles are kind of bad.

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>>146140118
I was in danger of losing here before the first confuse landed so I could use my healing spell to recover.

Babble is immune so I can't kill it, though.

>>146140118
How is the damage on that unresistable confusion blast?

>>146140907
It tops out at 21d20 with max level and chr.

>>146139076
What if I told you I could give you incredible depth and realism.
A nutrition system which takes into account energy expenditure due to weight, height, musculature and activity levels, and models food sitting in you and digesting

Do you want a game where strength stat represents ability to build muscle and muscle density, and muscles are separated into 3 groups for functional strength. And that you need to eat big to get big

Do you want a free world cata game that has a defined end and progression

Do you want immersive NPC interactions between you and the characters, and realistic cataclysm rules?

Do you want to play a strong man that can go it alone but must work hard to lead but do so absolutely, or a weaker woman who can collect and lead protectors but who have influence?
What about playing as the exceptions of twink and tomboy, that switch the rules, but only 80%?

Just give me 5 years and living expenses and I'll give it to you.

>>146141106
Does that take less energy than a normal turn? If not that is pretty horribly low.

>>146141742
It is low, but the thing is, confused monsters can't attack at all except by bumping into you in melee.

So for the majority of the game where everything is easily confused, you can just poke them to death while they fumble around uselessly.

Also it's a ranged attack that can't be resisted or reflected and costs no resource to use, so there's that too.

>>146142007
I'm well aware of the advantages of stun/confuse-lock in PCB, yes.
But with such low damage, don't they recover from it many times over the course of a long fight?
I guess defeating the GWOP is good evidence of its power.
How's your melee doing?

>>146143230
The confusion duration isn't based on the damage

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>>146143230
>But with such low damage, don't they recover from it many times over the course of a long fight?
Yeah, but then you use it again. You also can heal up easily using mp once it lands.

I have a crazy good randart of Hephaestus's hammer now. Before that I think it was around 450, but I don't really have much +dam from gear (and the hammer is heavy enough to get a bonus from my giant pact, while my previous sword wasn't).

I've been bashing confused monsters in melee to speed it up, but I'm not sure it's the safest way against heavy hitters.

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Not the best plan there.

>>146143629
I mean that you have to cast Confuse Blast ~150 times to kill the serpent. etc.
Many chances for a super short duration where such a monster would blast you.
>>146143985
Seems good. I always thought Giant pact looked strong.

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>DDA
>telescoping umbrellas work by making the "Wet" morale effect turn into a buff instead of a debuff
HACKS
A
C
K
S

>>146145769
That's a filthy hack and poschengband would be proud.

>>146146054
tabbed_into_sonja.png

CataDDA newfag and holy fuck this is unforgiving in the beginning. Fucking zombies and bots everywhere and I'm barely even out of the shelter. I can't seem to outrun them either, especially not dogs. I'm not even making a shit ton of noise either, they're just fucking everywhere I go.

>>146145769
Are you that board glyph memester?

>>146118145
Anon stop falling for the tricky hook maymay

>>146146212
Nope, just was using the umbrella and noticed my morale was in the green for some reason.
It's really weird since most rainproofing stuff just makes it so you don't get wet in the first place using the item's coverage for the slot, but since your weapon slot doesn't really "cover" any of your body it appears they just went with the hack instead.
But hey, free morale.

>>146146146

>146146146

Nice numbers but what was I supposed to do? Disengaging when I've already quaffed an agi+berserk pot is always unwise.

>>146121836
We already have a game like that
It's called cookie clicker

>>146146173
do you know that you can press " to run in the experimental versions
it makes you literally twice as fast

but if you get low on stamina you'll be slow as shit and will probably die

>>146146557
In case you're not memeing:
Umbrela doesn't affect morale by itself.
In experimental it prevents all wetness.
In stable it uses a hack, but a different one - it makes rain wet your legs instead of torso and arms.

>>146146682
>quaffing berserk
maybe you should use the consumable that makes it impossible to run away if you might have to run away

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>>146146682
Wait, you actually tabbed into Sonja? On top of that, you used a berserk potion on a blinking enemy? Jesus m8.
She has a whopping 10 MR, you can confuse or paralyze her with wands even with 0 Evocations. If you don't have anything to disable her with, you either zap her down with wands or get out.

>>146146869
>it makes rain wet your legs instead of torso and arms
But I don't have ANY "feels good when wet" items on. My legs just have cargo pants and leg warmers, but I'm getting a +21 morale bonus here from being Wet.

>>146146894
>should
*shouldn't

>>146146793

Yeah that would probably help. I'm retarded. Dogs are still cunts though. Do the zeds stop giving chase or do they hunt you forever once they smell/hear/see you?

>>146146907
tell us more senpai

>>146141495
No

>>146146907

Why exactly shouldn't I try to kill her while severely buffed regardless of what she's wielding? She's soft af

>>146147092
Mutations
Or bugs with morale system

>>146147794
Berserking against blinking enemies is dumb as hell, because it only takes a couple non-attacking turns for you to run out of it and get slowed. Obviously being slowed against an enemy that already attacks 3x faster than you do is a bad thing.
She may be soft but she's fast AND evasive as hell, and you can expect her to get in many many attacks before you actually kill her. She can also have distortion branded weapons, I really hope I don't need to explain why gambling against her hitting you is a bad idea. Not to mention all those buffs aren't going to help you actually HIT her.

>>146147628
Well then you have shit taste and I hope you enjoy your no-goals furry hobo sim

>>146148296
I like games where there's one food type and you gain strength by killing things

>>146148296
I don't want C:DDA either you shittier taste person

>>146148802
But don't you want to experience the post apocalypse while you get diabetes ingame and out of it, then go into a shock ketogenic diet to fix it?
C'mon.

>>146148819
I bet you like submissive girls. Fuckin' casual.

>>146149189
I mean I guess that would be cool but it definitely wouldn't take a full salary and 5 years to do.

>>146148296
>>146148802
I do like the idea of immersive NPCs, but not in games where modelling my digestive tract is a higher priority

>>146148162

Idk, this is my very first time getting out DPS'd by Sonja of all uniques even if it's early game. Quite a unique experience

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I made the libtcod+python tutorial roguelike, and now I have to figure out what the hell to do with it after being spoonfed 90% of a basic roguelike

>>146149443
Even on a super tablord, I wouldn't melee Sonja with Disto/Drain. Venom is fine, but you fucked up here, lad.

>>146150094
Python does not seem like the best language to code a roguelike in.

>>146150663
Why not?

>>146150858
I feel like it would be hard to prevent slowdowns- especially during generation- without a significant grasp of the language. At least that's my impression from some of the python games I've played.

For a first timer though, there's probably nothing wrong with it.

>>146149345
That is mostly a joke, but I am a fucking loser who knows nothing about how to did program. I mean Toady has all the time in the world but I don't, so whalesbucks pls I also want to consider some alternative to tile movement and time progression maybe.

>>146149348
Aheh. Honestly, it's not even that big a deal, but it was the first thing I really thought about because the whole "You are hungry, eat 10 apples okay you're full" being silly, and wanted to rig new mechanics to make calorie needs fit activity levels, and have it conform to some idea of reality.

In short, you could assign nutrition and satiation levels to food items, where nutrition is the fat/carb/protein amounts and calories associated, and satiation is an abstraction of how full you feel (aka you eat sugar and have tons of energy but feel empty). Have it tick down at a rate based on activity levels, voila.

As for NPCs, I feel like you can deal with it by making a net of emotional needs and personality types. Need values drift to a mean set by the latter over time, but the latter also affects the instant change by events, e.g. being led by the player but remaining injured over a period of time may damage trust and belief in leader, leading them to favour other NPCs, confront you, calve off or just coup, with loyal or untrusting types being less or more affected.

Basically whales except I have literally no experience, but if I get the motivation to get lernt, then I'd like to make it the catastrophically overcomplex shitheap it's destined to be.

Ideally there'd be two modes, which engage a sort of story; the progressive challenge that sees you quarantined in a large infested region aiming to breakout through a couple of options that challenge you more as you progress in time and depth, and the more open sandboxy DDA type that covers you in the apocalyptic world you unleashed in the escape, or birthed a character into,

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Where to from here, then?

>>146152675
*TRUEWINNER*
Personally I got a little bored of Roguelikes and tried to fully mod Morrowind and play it but it crashes all the time so now I'm playing Arcanum.

>>146153060
Well at least those are both great games.

>>146153156
Yeah I've got a lot of time in Morrowind over the years since I bought it on release but I guess I'll wait for openMW to replay it.
Arcanum is the only cRPG I haven't finished for some reason so it was time.
With Morrowind I was thinking that I want the PCB experience but I really don't want to play PCB right now.

>>146151086
I'm not too worried about it. It's not in any way slow for me yet, and I can profile and optimize the bad parts if it becomes a problem.

>>146152494
The "10 apples cures hunger" problem is best solved by just being a little vague about what an apple is. So you eat 10 "food rations" or "groceries" instead, and then move on to something more valuable.

Immersive NPCs is more about making them all behave differently in as many different situations and ways as possible. I think the most straightforward way to do that is to come up with a big pool of AI quirks, and then give each NPC a generous number of them without ever directly revealing an NPC's set of quirks to the player.

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Like a shooting star.

>>146155467
What's this?

>>146155836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl4hJ4j48s

>>146155467
>no thranduil yet

>>146151086
>>146150858
>>146150663

I am one of the devanons (welmish woundikins) and seriously, I don't recommend python, ruby or any other interpreted only language.

For now I am implementing game in ruby and it's slow enough that I am considering switching to common lisp (which is for most tasks only 1,2 - 6 times slower than C).

>>146157089
Write better algorithms you shitter.

>>146157343
The algorithms aren't slow, the time it needs to call libtcod or bearlibterminal input reading functions is long enough that a turn based game lags.

Oh christ there are "dirty" zombie clothes in the latest commits

What a fucking hassle

>>146157913
When I profiled my game out of curiosity the slowest part was rendering and fov. Why is input reading slow?

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I'm always amazed at how good high-power StS is

>>146158407
It's not the only thing slow, but it is the only slow thing outside of the mapgen(which is done before game starts).

I am not sure yet, but since I tried it with two different libraries, I guess that ruby foreign function interface is guilty for the slowdown.

>>146157913
That just tells me that the libraries aren't very good.
Which is admittedly a legitimate reason to switch to a different language with better libraries.

>>146158647
I am currently using bearlibterminal (written in c++) and used previously libtcod. With both I had the same problem.

>>146155836
An autist.

>>146159767
Just a little something I draw for when page 10 comes-a-knocking, anon.

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I swear, this amulet is going to get me killed somehow.

>>146163259
What did it do? Log suggests it teleported the curse toe away, which would be good, so obviously I don't understand.

>>146163383
I was killing the cursed toe, but it got tele'd away which left me surrounded by 3 wandering mushrooms and 2 deathcaps. I had to step from time because of it.

>>146163458
I wish I could step from time.

>>146158804
>input reading functions
>written in c++
Why aren't you using SDL? No ruby bindings? Maybe write a wrapper?

>>146163259
>Can't evolve wandering mushrooms into deathcaps while worshipping fedhas
This always felt like bullshit to me

Would you give a fully charged wand of hasting to a treasure trove? You do not have multiples.

>>146164450
Well if I'm playing crawl I'm playing a MuMo so yes.

>>146164450
Yes, you can always find more, maybe even in the trove

>>146164450
Probably not. How dumb are you and do you have a book with haste in it? It could possibly be worth it if you can learn haste within a reasonable amount of time.

>>146164450
Do you have Haste castable? Do you also have a couple of potions of haste to use as backup?

If so, yes. Otherwise, never.

>>146164636
>>146164589

Merfolk of trog. Casting it isnt an option. I do have some pots

>>146164750
Keep the wand.

>>146164450
>>146164750
You are a soldier and your wand of haste is your rifle.
You are a priest and your wand of haste is your holy book.
You are a pilot and your wand of haste is your parachute.
You are an ape and your wand of haste is your banana.

Never mind found 3 scrolls of acquirement and went yolo and got another wand anyway ez life

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>>146144023
Poor bastard went the same way as I.

>>146165528

>Lear's Harbauk

Into the trash this trove goes

>>146144023
>totally unfeared morale status
that character has enormous balls

>2 spider bags
>Evoke them in a time most dire
>They both unravel after 1 use
:^)

>Start skilling towards glaciate because no tornado/shatter
>Find book of tempests in V:$, as my 5th rune area
I'm mad.

>>146167304
AND A MANUAL OF NECROMANCY AFTER I GOT NECROMUT ONLINE. AGH

>>146102843
game?

>>146164191
I hadn't used sdl yet and I can't bother to use it.

I will make a small prototype in common lisp with ncurses today, and if speed will still be insufficient I will consider sdl.

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I'm starting to hate everything about this character. Hopefully that'll change once I get glaciate online, but god damn. Skilling is an absolute mess. Slow move and rN+ is a great way to get double tormented out of nowhere unless I keep lich form up at all times, which is the absolute pits. I wish I had a way to autocast it or something.

>>146169236
*can't bother to learn it.

>>146111959
Which game this is

>>146169745
brogue I believe.

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>>146166464
>in a time most dire
>remember when dicks fisted elephants of the most dire kind

I wish some maniac would throw themselves into finishing up Incursion or even making the open world game it was supposed to be a proof of concept for.

The original dev should have stuck to his guns, gone full Toady on it.

Fire dragon armour or +3 ring mail of fire resistance

I'm a GrGl with 20 STR,18 DEX, 8,1 armor skill and 12,8 dodging skill