/edg/ - Elite Dangerous General -- All Aboard the VISION Train Edition

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first for V I S I O N

You forgot the /edg/ faction thing from the OP.

>>146280057
I just copy and pasted the old OP. Just post it here.

Is donation rank grinding's effectivess tied to how much you donate or is it simply the sheer number of missions you've done?

I don't want to be blowing 500,000 credits when 25,000 will do the same job.

>>146279572
>passengermissionsneakpeak.png

yey

>>146279572
>Docs for candidate systems:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDxVVfavgiEdr9CbNS51j9wYHpXyz25H7uu7O6TeDzA/edit?usp=sharing

>Strawpoll
http://www.strawpoll.me/10534392

>>146280874
Donate all of it man, soon as you get Allied you'll be raking in silly money and won't even notice what you lost.

>>146282202
Grinding for Fed rep at 17 Draconis, not looking for missions. Will giving them all my money get me to an FAS faster then?

>>146282561
>>146280874

Give all your money man. It took me an eternity to get to Rear Admiral. Also the sheer amount of money you have to donate is so large that it hardly matters when you can sothisgrind it in a couple of hours.

>>146282561
17 Draconis still works???

NEW UPDATE!

Has it fucked with Sothisgrinding?

>>146283759
Sothis is still there.
Funzones still in.

No worries m8.

This Jotunheim system what is Big Harry's Monkey Hangout? Sounds like some player faction to me

>>146284004
>Funzones still in.
thank god, this game is so much better with weekly neetbux. I don't feel like I have to grind for money

>>146284004
It has fucked with the HIP 10716 Imp rank grind. Almost no viable data missions appearing any more. Fuck me.

>>146284606
I didn't want the Cutter anyway.

>>146284903
inb4 new ship at King rank

>>146284004
Cheers

It got fucking nerfed REEEEEEEEE>>146284606


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtAq0YG9Sk4

>>146284903

It wouldn't surprise me, especially if they were the new passenger liners.

>>146285627
>>146284606
Why the fuck do the devs not look at shit like this and how popular it is and go, "Hmm, seems some of our players hate grinding for hundreds of hours for very minimal gain and abuse certain things, thus jading themselves. Let's add in some new and exciting ways to make the grind less obvious for players who play more than 2 hours a week!"

Instead it's "Oh look a new way to grind something boring as fuck slightly faster. Can't let them keep doing that. Nerf."

They are so fucking out of touch it's unreal. Either that or they're very in touch and they love subjecting their players to monotony.

>>146286013
[VISION INTENSIFIES]

>>146286013
It really has me fucking pissed. I was looking forward to flying that cutter.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/267723-Insurance-Reimbursements-amp-Revivals

What the actual fuck?

>>146283565
Seems like it. Tun is the other one to do.

>>146286917
Tun is gimped. Don't bother.

There's a rebbit post alleging that the furry crew are calling it quits.

Thank fuck, my VISION of a furry free universe is closer to completion.

>>146286816

>when youre so desperate to bring players back youre willing to cheat the game for them and give them their ingame cash back

wew

I just did a Federal rank gain mission and the message I got was that I'm now a Warrant Officer, but my status tab says Midshipman. What the fuck?

Is there any reason why I would want to sell off reputation levels with an engineer to get a 100% chance of an effect?

It just seems like I am grinding to grind more since I can still get a shit roll on the effect weapon after I spend the reputation.

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>you can buy weapon effects now for the cost of reputation

>>146287394
The iridium wing or what are they called?

>>146288661
Smelly dogcock crew

>>146288421
Relog. If not fixed, quickly contact ftroop.
It might not even be a surprise that now rankups don't work since permits didn't work previously.

>>146288487
>Introduce RNG-laden grind.
>People complain you to fix it.
>Introduce fucktons more of it.
I'm not even surprised anymore.

>>146288783
It's a known issue apparently, but I'm only Midshipman. Haven't done nearly enough grinding for Warrant Officer. The messages are wrong, not my rank.

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>>146288487
They just don't get it do they?

>>146289043
When I did my Recuit - Admiral grind I remember the rank not showing properly after rankup missions.

>>146280750
Haven't made a text but here's the Google docs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDxVVfavgiEdr9CbNS51j9wYHpXyz25H7uu7O6TeDzA/edit?usp=sharing

>>146289567
Can anyone tell me why whenever I load a google doc spreadsheet it says unable to load file, I click reload but it just happens over and over, but it loads fine in incognito. Other than addons/extensions what else does incognito disable?

>>146289885
Incognito doesn't store cookies or history, so I don't know what could be the issue.

>>146284606
Well that sucks, are you sure?

>>146290307
I know a new spot, which works, perhaps even better.

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>>146288487
>It literally costs TWO ranks of rep
>they tried to counteract the RNG with more grinding

I've ground donations to 100% to rank up at 17 Draconis but the fucking rank up mission isn't appearing yet no matter how much I cycle between Open and Solo

Holy fuck this is such bad design

>>146291869
Donate more.

>>146290513
Quick, put it somewhere in the Google docs and hope no one at fdev notices. Please.

>>146292002
Does the rep roll over towards the next rank or am I throwing money away until I get that rank up mission?

>>146292290
Yes.
At least in December when I did my grinding it did

>>146292290
>>146292385
Pretty sure yes, every time I ranked up last week while doing some missions in between I usually started next rank with 10-20%.

>>146292290
>>146292385
Yeah it does, I did a shitton of "Boom data delivery" missions so I could do sothis/ceos shit and it got me to rank 3 or 4, only trouble was finding the missions to fucking level up.

>>146292290
Donate around 250 million and you're set for Corvette. That's how much I donated in total IIRC

>>146293463
All I want is FAS.

Finally got a mission, had to go to another station to generate it. Courier mission to a nearby star. Station is 240,000ls out. Kill me.

>>146293463
It's disgusting that throwing money is the solution to their shitty grind of a rank system.

>>146294001
It's not their solution. They want to fix this kind of easy rank up method.

>>146294129
I didn't say their solution.
When any system is so grindy that players would rather spend the cost of the ship they're grinding for just to have the rank to buy it something's wrong with the system.

But frontier has their heads too far up their asses to realize this, and the fact that the game would be doing a lot better if they didn't make it such a korean level grind.

>>146287897
This is the only game I've played where it is natural to email customer service/support team to get reimbursed for bugs. I've never seen any other game pull this sort of stunt. Mainly because they weren't buggy to the point that they needed to actually do that.

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i got banned from the forums for muh harassment in a civil shitty fuelrat sticker thread. im still mad, about to get back in and kill something over at the community goals. like, nothing against the fuelrats, but apparently asking FD to let everyone represent their community is entitlement.

reeee. im happy this exists though, didnt know my beloved ingenious leaf had a ED general on here.

btw, ive alsao been eyeballing star citizen but the combat looks so shit, everything else is bretty ebin though. thoughts?

>>146295830

It wouldn't be like this if the development team didn't treat the game like a flat rate shipping box you get from the post office.

So the launcher says the game is up to date but the client says it isn't. What do? Tried verifying already.

>>146296467
Wait <indefinitely> until SC comes and see whether it's not absolute garbage.

>>146296672
SC alpha is already more enjoyable than the whole of elite

>>146296954
I wouldn't go that far...

>>146296954
Shit Tier Bait.

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>>146296954

>>146296467
>Combat looks shit

I don't understand this. It's almost literally the same as ED except instead of turning up down and turn side to side as there are blackouts and red outs from Gs. What exactly makes it shit?

>>146297073
>>146297093
>>146297284
t. Dad

>>146297363
Speed doesn't affect mobility at all. The physics are garbage. Elite has its fair share of problems but at least they got the space flight part down.

>>146297363
MUH TURRET IN SPACE
People meme about sc because it's all they know how to do. When they don't realize it surpassed this shitheap a while ago.

>>146297595
>muh blue zone

>>146297595
>Speed doesn't affect mobility

Why would it? Equal and opposite reactions. The first thing I noticed when I first tried out SC's combat was that if you don't try to counteract your initial movement, you will keep moving in that direction. Contrast that with the flight assist that is usually on except for in turns.

optimistic SC backer from 2012 here

they're making good progress lately and they hinted at procedural planets this year but it's still gonna be until like fall or winter until we get some actual content. until then it's gonna be slivers and bug fixes.

I told myself when I backed that it'd take until at least 2017 to be complete and it's working out pretty well

reeeeeeeeeee make your own general, SC nerds

>>146298114
I was worried for a while there. Progress was at a snail's pace and every other week there was some shill party for limited time ships.

Once they got the alpha universe implemented my fears subsided a bit because there's actual progress now.

>>146298408

/scg/ is dead until at least 2.5 sorry

gonna be a month or two

>>146292119
done

>>146298408

No. We have merged to keep the thread alive. If all the sc people leave, we die as well.

>>146296518
i had that after i updated, restarted the launcher and it worked for me.

>>146298525

One thing that a lot of people tend to overlook is how much backend work needs to be done to make shit work properly. Physics grids on physics grids on physics grids, I can't imagine what a pain in the ass it was and is for their programmers to figure everything out. Once you realise that CIG aren't just raising the bar but setting a new one entirely it's a lot easier to cope with the development time.

PLANETARY LANDINGS WHEN

>>146300749
Don't forget that some of us SC people also play ED. Even if we are tired of the game.

>>146301123

RIGHT ON, CMDR

>>146300749

someone should just make it an elite citizen general desu

it's kind of ironic how the only peaceful and reasonable discussion of both SC and E:D on the internet is in this thread. you guys are alright

>>146301591
And ain't that a scary thought...

>>146301553
i wasnt even dadposting, its what actually happened

>>146299943
Thanks anon, I'll remember this forever when I get a Clipper.

>>146301591
It's because the internet, aka forums, is still confused. We unanimously agreed that this game is shit and beyond saving and we're just making the best of it.

/dedg/

I just tried to download photoshop from piratebay, I don't know anything about piracy, viruses etc and after running installation program it actually installed like 10 other programs on my PC the whole situation was a mess. I had to reinstall windows.
Anyone knows where I can get legit photoshop for free? For vision's sake

Who here /spacefaceplacemace/?

>>146304857
Just use gimp.

>>146305239

Go to bed, Stallman.

>>146305502
A free alternative is better for someone that fucked up their OS so hard they had to reinstall it.

>>146305239
I'll try it thanks

So let's say frontier is forced to sell elite to a new studio.
Who's your pick to save the game?

>>146304857
adobe photoshop is kill. they're giving it out for free now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM8X-LWU3vY

>smuggling with an anaconda

I have made a mistake

>>146308016

Why, though? You can fit it for gud range, fuel and cargo.

>>146308016
Yeah, you have. Kit an AspE or a DBE for it, you'll make the money back in no time if you have a good spot for it.

>>146308016
A few months ago I would've agreed with you. But now the penalty for getting scanned is 1mil-ish off of your 8-10 mil mission, it's okay.

Also Frontier somehow managed to fuck up auto docking. Ship just sits to the side of the pad doing nothing.

>>146307049
Cloud Imperium Games

>>146308016
>playing this shit game

yes, you have made a mistake

>>146308617

AI ships do it now too, the land to the right of the pad, or on the rightmost portion of it.

>>146308617
oh ok then

I almost got scanned a few times, evading scans with this hulking behemoth is hard but fun

>>146308796
How you manage to fuck up something like that when the patch is nothing but changing some fucking numbers, is astounding.

>>146309287
They weren't kidding about their bad code

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DELETE THIS

>>146309791
IT'S OVER

>>146309791
I want to see how the dads validate this as immersive gameplay

Fucking yes. Imp rank grinding feels so fucking good. From Serf to baron in three sessions, no stress.

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>>146313624
tell me more friend

>>146314094
Git fukt brabo, I'm not telling you shit.

>>146314094
Dude show grow a mustache, he looks like less of a loser with it.

>Touchdoown
>Commencing system shutdoown
>Welcome to our stahpooht commandah

jesus fuck it's like I'm back in Cameroun

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>>146314992
You must have mistaken me with someone else sir

>>146315646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMEDz7CvyY
District 9 is canon elite lore

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they nerfed AI with today's patch, the dads are experiencing some internal strife

>these got-danged millenials and their entitled desire for fun vidyuh games

>>146314094
>>146317179
Are we witnessing the start of Brabenposting?

>>146317179

You sell a bunch of UAs to Aisling Duval's HQ. She loves them I promise.

>>146317531
Someone please point out the irony of dads complaining about millennial entitlement while asking frontier for ship refunds because they lost a ship they couldn't afford the insurance on.

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>>146315646
>Please observe fucking protocol

>>146317531
These people are literally like feminists. They go from one extreme to the next.

>You brush up against feminist shoulder and they yell rape
>You ask for game balance and they call you an entitled millenial

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>>146317541
>>146314992
Chill out dudes, I just want to "skip the grind" too if you now what I mean

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>>146317179
>>146317756
But thats where i live

>>146319940
>>146285627

>>146320056
But don't you want the best for Daddy's Little Princess?

On my way to Cubeo to check out that mission spamming where you only have to shoot one base and complete 4000 missions all at the same time.

>>146320352
let me save you a trip, it's gone, and also you can only stack 20 missions at a time now, used to be 100

>>146321347
OH BOY I can't wait to do 2400 missions the legit way, thanks brabo!

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>>146322926

Is mining viable? I have never tried it, always thought it looked boring but I could do with a change of pace. Sothis/Ceos/Fehu shit has me hating life.

>>146320352
>>146322926
Read the thread.

>>146324247
it can be comfy for the first few hours

>>146324919
You bothered to reply, might have as well linked to related posts instead of making the guy read trough piles of shitposting

>>146324247
It's not an incredible money maker, but it is a great way to farm Engineer shit. To maximize the money you make from it, sell off your shit in a boom-state high-tech economy, or try board refreshing and pray to Braben that you get good missions for whatever you're carrying.

Anyone still crashing while grinding merits? I'm not sure but I've left it grinding for over 2 hours now and it hasn't crashed. What I did was go into the power play menu and let it continue farming and I haven't seen it crash since.

new person here

This game has possibly one of the worst reputations i've ever seen a game have.

how did it get this bad? is it not worth checking out at all?

>>146325356
Also what is the most efficient way to use these merits so I can stay rating 5 as long as possible? Do I just farm as much as I can then dump them into a power?

I like the paki woman voice at Space Ports
"hello bud bud ding ding prease to be slowing your speed hwarrrrt"

>>146326356
I just make sure I have 20k at all times to make sure I get two weeks guaranteed in case ASL isn't expanding next week.
It gets halved on cycle and it just takes one night to get 10k back.
If you want to get 3 weeks you need 40k and that's a bit too much. 20k is perfect imo

>>146326339
Yeah, people are super divided about it. I like it just fine, it's just very grindy. At least mild autism is required to enjoy it.

>>146326339
the honeymoon period is good, but wears off quickly. check out some videos and if you want it wait for a sale. should be interesting to see what discount it has in the steam summer sale.

>>146325356
>>146326356
>>146326703
it looks like funzones will be fixed soon, see >>146309791
Might be a few weeks though knowing how long it takes FD to do anything

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Daily reminder

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteWinters/comments/4nh6tz/powerplay_meeting_in_a_nutshell/?su=r2439&st=ipr98a2i&sh=ad5cfa5e

>"Sorry folks, we (frontier) unfortunately maintained poor systems engineering methodology which left us with 'complicated code'. Attempting to fix stuff tends to have rather chaotic and unexpected results. We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practises. In short, shits complicated; stop complaining, you the player base needs to be more transparent and notify us when problems arise; since we (frontier) lack the ability to recognise issues as they occur ourselves."

>>146326703
They should make it so it only subtracts 50% of the amount of merits needed to get to your current rating each week instead of 50% of the total merits you turn in. I mean who the fuck could afford to grind tons of merits without exploiting anyway.

>>146326339
The flight mechanics are really good, flying around feels perfect, and the sound design is great.

The problem is that the content of the gameplay itself is the equivalent of a 5-year-old smashing his toys together while making machine gun noises. Fun, but nothing is actually happening.

>>146326339

Between the dev team having their head superimposed in their ass and the forums/leddit being silenced by forum dads, there is little to do but grind or find ways to make the grind less suffering.

>>146281617
wait /edg/ is making a faction?

>>146326339
The game had crazy potential, but it's being wasted because the devs are incompetent retards, don't play if you don't want to end up grinding for eternity/battling depression

if you absolutely HAVE to try it, for god sake wait for a sale.

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>>146327728
What's a forum dad?

>>146327807
yeah maybe when FD puts it in-game in like 6 months the game will be fun by then

we're literally that autistic

>>146327807
Soon™
Braben himself has to approve

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>>146328163
oh to be this new again....

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>>146328163

>>146328163
a literal cancer beyond any games contemplation

>>146328163
old men who used to play the original in 1984 who think the modern game should be just as grindy and repetitive as that one was

there is literally no limit to the mental gymnastics they will do to maintain their delusion that FDev is in some way competent as a game developer

if you criticize the game or suggest they add fun, impactful gameplay mechanics, they will shoot you down by basically repeating VISION and TEN YEAR PLAN until they fall back asleep in their hammocks, they literally believe that everything FDev does is pure gold, even if you present them with hard data to the contrary

basically if you're wondering why this game sucks, it's because they consulted the forum dads during kickstarter, and still listen to them on the forums and el reddito as they suck Braben's dick and pretend like everything is okay, and that people criticizing the game are just "entitled millenials"

>>146327807
Its all there is to do. /edg/ doesnt seem to want to die this time and building a faction keeps the thread alive.
I think deep down we all know it wont return, in another 6+ months when the next update is released we'll think about /edg/, but it'll have become that old friend we've not seen in a decade. Even if we tried to get back together it just wouldnt be the same.
The hate of Vision and hope for something better that kept us going has all but burned away, now all thats left is dissapointment and regret that we want to aviod.

>>146327274
I'm not sure which is more amazing. The fact that they aren't even trying to disguise their incompetence, or the fact that it doesn't matter because the dads are firmly latched to Braben's cock.

>>146328995
http://steamcharts.com/app/359320#All

notice the bump at the release of engineers, followed quickly by the limp dick of players leaving

it's over, this game will be dead by the end of the year, and some-fucking-how the forum dads will deny this, even if you show them the proof

I wish they realized that their endless enthusiasm for this game, in the face of all of FDev's endless fuckups and mediocre to bad patches, is the REASON IT SUCKS

>>146328667
fuk u millennial scum

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>>146328163

>>146329652
go to bed, dad

>>146328163
A vocal minority that consists of baby boomers who played the original elite back in 84, and insist that this game plays JUST like that one.

Any kind of post on the forum (hence the name) that tries to suggest any kind of new gameplay mechanics is tantamount to heresy, and the dads will respond in turn with vitriol, disingenuous assertions, and trolling, until the dissent is silenced.

Tl;DR this game is suffering because fdev is catering to a VOCAL minority of baby boomers who are out of touch with what makes a game fun.

>>146329598
>tfw the release of NMS causes E:D to drop to sub 1k on steam.

>>146329947
here's a fun giggle:

http://steamcharts.com/app/443080#All

>>146329598
It's not necessarily their endless enthusiasm, it's that they're incapable of holding frontier accountable and telling them they've fucked up. Instead they somehow rationalize endless grind as delayed gratification and immersive gameplay while calling anyone who correctly criticizes the shitty design choices an entitled millennial.

As much as the dads don't want to play eve, it sure seems to me like they're playing eve. And not the newbie friendly eve either, the old as fuck grindy eve where you started with nothing and had to train everything including learning skills from scratch.

The sad part is that eve was still more fun than elite.

>>146328442
>>146328667
>>146329657
>>146329881
So....let me get this straight, this game is suffering because a small demograph of baby boomer "fanboys" won't let it change?

that's...... bizarre

>>146330332
They need timesink so big, they'll get their cutters fully outfitted in the coffin

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>>146330108
kek

>>146330332
The dads were frontier's biggest cash cows. So frontier only listened to them to the detriment of the game.

If they maintained professional practices in development the game could easily be salvaged. But as it is there probably is no fixing this shitheap without breaking it down and starting from scratch.

>>146330332
yeah, they will cry and yell and stamp their feet any time a person so much as hints at the fact that this game isn't perfect, and they pretty much control the forums and the subreddit

it's incredibly bizarre, but here we autists continue to sit and play it, because there's no other MMO space-sims on the market, yet

NMS will take some of what's left of the player base, and Star Citizen will be the killing blow

>>146330332
They did found the game with literally thousands of dollars each. Fdevs listen to them a lot.
I've seen people try to come up with new game mechanics on forums only to get replies like "that's not the original idea of this game", "that's not what I backed back in 2011". They're literally ruining this game. Fdevs are fine with it, it's not like that want to put any effort in to it.

I think they ninja nerfed ceos/sothis.

Ive been on for about an hour and got a single transport mission which paid out like, 200k.

>>146331051
wouldn't be surprised

>>146331051
Just finished a run earlier today, so unless it was in the last few hours no they didn't

>>146330713

The best part is that they preach entitlement to anyone who has a viewpoint that goes against their little game, when they are being the entitled faggots.

>>146330713

They also didn't back a dead game, but they think that their kickstarter pledge will matter if the game dies. They fully expect a ten year software lifecycle on this game.

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>>146329657

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>>146330108

Elite Dangerous is what happens when you have no competition. You end up with a game with a series of more and more bizarre and nonsensical design decisions. They don't care, they don't have to care, they're the only meat on the market.
If SC came out at the same time as Elite, you can bet your ass we'd be playing a very different game.

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>>146334076
>playing Elite: Dangerous to pass the time until Star Citizen comes out

tfw

>>146334076
FD made the base game as quickly as possible so they could release before SC and have a captive audience. As everyone says elite is fucked as soon as another space game releases, but since FD seem to have no foresight or common sense so i bet they think it'll just draw more people into the genre and to ED.
I have no doubt the dads are expecting people to start playing elite after they finish with the less "mature" space games with stupid gimmicks like fun and endgame content.

I played GTA online when it came out on 360, it was barebones back then. Haven't played it since then.
Friends who play it tell me it got shit tons of free updates including heist and create your own crime empire or something. That's a lot for a game that is about driving cars and killing each other.
I remember someone on forums suggested that rich players should be able to start their own businesses etc and dads just came out and said "this isn't EVE, gtfo". This shit is making my blood boil. If people could start their own businesses it wouldn't make any diffrence for dads, no one would cancel solo space trucking for them YET if they don't want it it shouldn't be in the game.
And even all this hussle with /edg/ trying for minor faction it's bs. There should be in game tools to allow us to rally and contest a system in-fucking-stead we have to fill out forms on forums. It's a fucking joke.
I'm seriously starting to suspect that all these "dads" are devs themselves.

>>146330108
>http://steamcharts.com/app/443080#All

>If you don't know what is Elite Dangerous Elite Dangerous: Arena is the mini version of the normal Elite Dangerous, which only contain the close quarter combats in it

is this the CQC thing or some tablet game?

>>146336961
It's on Steam, not fucking Googleplaystore you fucknut.

>>146336961
CQC standalone

>>146331051
>>146331460
Just finished a run so nope, just RNG. Don't tell me you wait an hour to stack missions? Just visiting all three stations usually gives you a full hold worth of missions with great/excellent pay.

>>146337093
>implying

>>146337435
I haven't tried it, but seems kind of pointless when they could've just made a free demo of some kind.

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>>146335271

>>146337689

Nobody is ever on to play CQC anyways, it's not worth you time to wait for a queue that will never finish.

>>146336793

Having more money sinks would be nice, but on that same note, it would require missions to not pay out in pennies.

>>146335329
I think it can still be saved, but they really need to start listening to all of their customers rather than just the dads. When high profile players like Kornelius and Obsidian Ant start bitching about the grind in a game they're autistic enough to play every day, they have to understand that they're doing something fundamentally wrong.

I don't think it needs a complete overhaul, just a bunch of tweaks and some rebalancing and more fucking content. Some parts do need a bit of an overhaul, obviously, like NPC behavior outside of instances which is for the most part not even modeled now, and the entirety of the Engineers (it would make more sense to use some sort of point-buy system to customize modules, rather than a fucking roulette wheel), etc.

I'm not sure if I have any faith in extensive tweaks ever happening, but there's a good game in this hidden under a bunch of bullshit, which is why we keep playing it.

>>146337834
kek

>>146279572
Me on the 4th seat from the right

>>146337972
Honestly, as stupid as the wheel of enchantment is, it could have worked if the mats were easy to get. Spend an hour and get enough mats for 5 rolls and it wouldn't even be an issue. It's just this compounding
RNG upon RNG upon RNG

>>146339617
RNG doesn't work for a fucking engineer doing a custom modification. You don't just slap some shit together if you're an engineer.

With this recent engi fiasco I've decided to not play this game anymore.
No Man's Sky is going to kill this game, even if there's fuck all on terms of player interaction.

>>146331051
system state factors into it
check any fringe system, they're all viable

Canopus is the best

>>146340985

The best part about this is that Frontier dismisses NMC as a threat to their game. They seem to think the fact that it's "cartoony" is a reason to ignore it.

>>146340985
I know I'll be jumping ship.

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>How I would have done Engineers

For starters, to do most of this, a lot of the back end would have to be modified. The Engineers wouldn't be stuck in some planetside base, they'd be on the move. Either you stumble on to them randomly or a side reward for a high end mission where the mission giver just happens to be a friend of this guy that likes FSD's or whatever and they give you a location. The Engineers themselves are either on a station, a base or in space on some kind of huge support ship/mobile space garage. They wouldn't be stupid rare to find, but rare enough that it's a big event for you, rare enough that you smile when you find them and not yell at the screen in frustration like the forumdads would have.

cont..

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>>146341556

Now you've been introduced to the engineer. You're either some random customer or a friend of a friend. He's going to want something. That something isn't going to be 200 tons of wine and arsenic. If he's a master of FSD engineering, he can get the shit faster then you anyways and probably get a station discount. So what he would want is either money or services, this is the only time RNG comes into things, determining what they want done from the list of engineer needs, maybe even tie it into your rankings and, for example, giving you a combat mission if you have a high combat rank. Engineer missions should be complicated with a storyline that reveals a little something about the engineer themselves or maybe lead into a larger story like the UA/thargoids/space penis stuff.

cont..

>>146341141
lel i'm literally not buying it for that reason
>some pleb artsy space "sim"
>or the OG that started it all

Braben will get his head out of his ass when the easy money stops flowing.

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>>146341706

Now, say you spent the better part of the day completing your Engineer mission chain and learned something interesting, anyways, payout time. The engineer you worked for does certain mods, maybe even physical ship stuff like making Clippers or T7's land on Medium pads. You've got 20 points to sink into various aspects or special abilities/visual effects/stats or you can save up your points for next time and grab a real special upgrade like the aforementioned medium pad mods or modding a class 6 slot into a class 7. He does the work, you shake hands and he takes off and you're good until you get another chance with an engineer.

end.

>>146341765
>Braben will get his head out of his ass

That only removes one problem, you still have all the forum dads stuck in there.

Honestly the best that that can be done is for him to pass out what remains of the forum dads' kickstarter rewards, and then tell them to fuck off.

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>>146340061
fucking ork meks are more reliable than elites engineers

>>146342036
>Honestly the best that that can be done is for him to pass out what remains of the forum dads' kickstarter rewards, and then tell them to fuck off.

I wonder if that's the reason we don't have a plot yet. :^)

I've seen some of the shitfits the forum dads have thrown because Braben went with the "wrong" ending/lore/canon/whatever the fuck.

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These fucking people. What do they do when they finally hit 1 mil? Buy more Cobras?

>>146342491
u wot m8? Cobra is the fastest ship in the game and can have 40 tons of cargo.

You don't fly that thing for anything other than smuggling.

>>146341870
>>146341706
>>146341556
Now see, that makes too much sense. Braben and Sandro could never have anything like that. Getting your ship modified by a professional must be like a a trip to Vegas.

I can't wait for Sandro to decide that all modifications should be illegal and turn AI security hostile on scan.

>>146342729
>I can't wait for Sandro to decide that all modifications should be illegal and turn AI security hostile on scan.

Fuck, I know this is coming too. I bet it'll be part of 2.2

>>146341765

>the OG that started it all

You know that FD is NOT treating Elite like that at all.
They've already shat all over the canon just so the Fuel Fags didnt have to travel back from Beagle Point.

>>146330519
someone post this on reddit, I want to see how the dads would react

>>146342862
>Police force takes sides based on a coinflip, disregarding bounties entirely

>>146342664

Undad detected.

>>146342257

This is part of the problem, they need to stop catering to the dads and trying to make them happy. That policy is pissing everyone else off.

>>146342953

Just like they let the dads have a bunch of their ships back after they were destroyed by their precious "fair AI," since they couldn't rebuy.

>>146342862

I always wanted "illegal fitment" in this game.
Things like supercruise missiles, cloaking, military grade weapons, etc.
FD would fuck it up though.

ALL MY FUCKING COMPLICATED KEYBINDINGS FUCKED OFF TO NOWHERE REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>146344019

Emergent Gameplay. Your ship suffered a malfunction. Please perform pre-flight checks.

>>146344019
You didn't backup the keybind file?

I'm thinking of kitting out my Sothisgrindingpython.flv to A fitted combat ship. Where is a good place to hunt the dads?

>>146344554

Mobius.

>>146344615
What's there that attracts them?

>>146344839

PVP isnt allowed.

>>146344278
No because I'm retarded. I damn sure am now though.

>>146344839
Mobius = private group play, ie "co-op solo mode".

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>>146344278

>You didn't backup the keybind file?

Why the fuck is this required

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>>146342953
>You know that FD is NOT treating Elite like that at all.

>>146345772
The constant fuck up when updating the game

>>146345989

IT CANT BE THIS FUCKING HARD TO CODE PRESERVING KEYBINDS

>>146342491
>Long range high payout missions
>an intentional thing that FDEV put into the game.
BWAHAHAHHAHAHA!

>>146345634
>>146345132
Sounds gay as fuck

>>146347569

In a game that has no incentive for player interaction other than to blow up AI together, it isn't that bad.

FUCKING FEDERATION ASCENSION MISSION APPEAR ALREADY

I WANT MY FAS

>>146348552
And what do you know, it just appeared. The power of shitposting I guess.

>>146343582
Wait what? These decrepit old cunts can't even afford a new Cobra?

>>146337972

>I'm not sure if I have any faith in extensive tweaks ever happening

>PowerPlay getting taken out back and shot while FD tells avid PPers to shut the fuck up
>ftroop fixing engineers RNG... by letting you fucking sacrifice your rep with them and forcing you to grind even more

These two reasons alone should tell you that there is no hope left.

>>146337458
No I meant I spent an hour shifting between open and solo trying to find missions that paid out over 1 mil.

I don't lift my ship off the pad for less than 1 mil.

>>146348976
The trouble with Power Play was that the devs thought that the majority of young players would back Archon Delaine and the rest of the forumdad types would then band together and a kind of mass pvp faction war would happen to keep everyone busy for a year or so. I remember a Newsletter where one of the devs even said something along the lines of "Wow guys we thought Archon would be more popular! Why is he in last place?"

>>146348887
That would be decadent, 400k buys you a lot of fuel anon.

>>146342491
What you're forgetting is that forumdads are all garbage at the game.

Like, REALLY garbage.

I have my first and only python sitting in Sothis right now (I'm a poorfag with about 50 million crs), and it has literally nothing but cargo racks, and D everything but FSD, and I think a class 3 shield which is there solely for not getting hull damage upon landing, and I find it perfectly usable and safe out there.

>>146349806
same but with a conda and 4C biweave

the only time my shields go stripped by an NPC it was a master FAS, even then I had wrecked his shields and his hull to 13%

>>146349806
Same I have a Python fitted out for max jump range with all cargo and 320mil in the bank. I'm not stopping until I hit 1 billion because I know one of these whiny old cunts will twig how much we're making one day and run off to cry to teacher.

>>146350380
Any good money makers at the moment? Only got a FAS so far.

>>146349806
I started out gunless too but (depending on your combat rank) you're going to be interdicted by ships that will take down whatever amount of shields and can mess you up.

Still flying Asp though I could afford fully A-rated Conda because it has a perfect rank 4 FSD upgrade and it's fun being a bit squishy so now flying with 4 mine launchers, really great low-mass insurance policy.

>>146350492
Basically anything you can fit a lot of cargo in and cut down on travel time. Python is my preference.

>>146350492
get an Asp and do Sothis runs. 10 to 15M and hour depending on your luck, I averaged 13M

first you have to be friendly with the local factions tho

grind yourself a tradeconda then laugh as you make 4 times as much with it than you were doing with the Asp

>>146350631
Just alt tab out when you get interdicted, takes like 90 seconds to log back in.

>>146351017
Interdictors drop loot when you kill them tho

I got three refined focus crystals from a gunship today

>>146351017
That's both slower and less fun than simply dealing with them or jumping.

>>146351286

Any combat ship would drop those. They didn't drop for you because they interdicted you, they dropped for you because you got lucky.

>>146351819
oh well

still worth it tho

>>146350492
I just bought and outfitted an FAS right after ranking up. I got class 2 beams and class 3 plasma accelerators on it and I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

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>tfw you actually went to Tionisla in search of the ship graveyard and calculated the L1 and L2 Lagrangian points for New Caledonia
4.2 light-seconds in case anyone wants to try
my math sucks so feel free to correct

Steam sale starts tomorrow CMDRs o7

Horizons might be on sale ;^)

>>146352186
oh hey, numbers!

Has Derek Smart saved ED yet?

>>146349513
>Why is he in last place?"
This basically tells you just how much they understand their game.
Even if Archon was super popular he had a major uphill battle to beat out the independents, let alone the actual empire factions.

Then you factor in that having to effectively base out of somewhere a couple hundred light years from money grinding space for PP grinding is shitty as fuck. That and Archon players were less likely to be infected by the vision so they flat out quit when they saw the shit that PP was. I gave it two weeks before I gave up.

>>146342491
They reset their save.
I'm not shitting you. Read the forums. There are multiple instances where a new update hits that a lot of those dads reset their saves. Read the 2.1 thread, lots of people resetting.

I don't fucking get it. It's like they don't want to get good.

>>146354559
It's because they know nothing but grind awaits them and they try to prolong their enjoyment by experiencing the crawl from nothing over and over again.

>>146350492
Sothis runs and neetbux. Grind merits and head for sothis once done.

Do it while it lasts.

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>>146354559

>we will never get multiple character slots because dads either wipe their saves or buy multiple copies of the game

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>want to get sirius permit
>I angered sirius corp by selling their slaves back when robigo was a thing
>have to grind all the way from unfriendly

well at least I'm not enemy with them

>>146348720
It's _one_ of the comfiest ships to fly. Has nice hardpoints and doesn't handle like a brick.

Although wait until you get the Gunship and slap seven multicannons on it. I've never had this much fun and I've flown the railgun FDL.

>>146352493
Oh yeah, it might :----) or it might not. luckily I already paid full price for it and supported FDEV's efforts in bringing the best possible gaming experience to me! Fly safe CMRD o7

>>146355604
Lad... Just fucking go to Sothis already and donate yourself to Allied. Or do data hauling missions to Ceos and back. Or both, I don't care.

>>146355770
yeah I've already started doing that but holy fuck does it take forever

ranking with factions used to be easier IIRC

>Cutter haulin'
>Cobra MkIV: "I'ma git ur cargo."
>drop from SC and boost
>pirate teleports directly in front
>instantly smears across canopy

>>146355859
Took me an afternoon when I went from unfriendly to allied last week.

>>146355936
Thought they said they fixed that...

>>146356037
>Thought they said they fixed that...

It's about as fixed as engineer grind.

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Covenant of the Vision

A theocracy ruling the system of X that is based around the fanatical cult of worship called the Vision. It's members follow the Prophet of the Vision. Instead living soberly to have a good afterlife, The members of the Covenant hope to achieve a "Blinding" during their lifetime.

Being Blinded by the Vision is a great boon, for it shows a devoted member of great things that already are, and great things to come.

Some experienced members that have achieved Enlightenment, called the Blinding form a relgious council called the Forum of the Vision. In this Forum, religious and cult matters are discussed by great seers and sages, collectively called Fathers of the Forum. These Fathers are a minority, but a very vocal one. The Covenant usually listens to them before taking action.

The monotheistic deity of the Vision is called the Grand Visionary. He is a deified prophet of old that laid out the structure of the Faith and a ritual called the Visionary Decennium, or Grand 10 Year Plan. The Plan is a way of life that every new devotee of the Vision needs to follow before having the possibility of becoming Blinded. Many aspire this, but the 10 Year Plan is harsh and unforgiving.

The main force of arms of the Covenant of the Vision is the EDG, the Episcopal Defence Group. They are the weaponised arm of the faith. A fanatical defence force aiming to spread the word of Faith through all known reaches of space.

>>146356418
>10 Year Plan

Too obvious.

>>146356418

Check for spelling mistakes, please.

>>146358257
no

Is engineer rep gain going ti be looked at to make it more difficult for people to grind for levels? 3 upgrades at each level to the next seems a bit low

>>146297363
>there are blackouts and red outs from Gs

ED has this too, although pilots are highly resistant to G-forces in the Elite universe.

Take out a tooled-up iCourier and pull hard boost turns at 700+m/sec and you'll see.

Or try to bank with a maneuverable ship during orbital glide.

>>146297595

Elite got space flight completely and utterly wrong from a physics standpoint.

Yet from a gameplay standpoint it's quite fun .

>>146330519

That's just the standalone, though. It doesn't count people playing Arena through the main game.

In other words it should read 2 or 3.

>>146339617
>It's just this compounding
RNG upon RNG upon RNG

FD repeats this exact same error over and over again, and many exploits are created by this same blind spot in their judgement as well.

They've compounded bonuses on themselves several times in the past (Zemina/Delaine slave trading, Hudson/Arissa BHing, etc...) among other things, and here they are doing the same thing again with material/engineer RNG.

They literally cannot avoid repeating the same mistakes to save their lives.

>all these people complaining about AI
>FD nerfs AI and makes them shit again

Fucks sake does anyone there know how to develop a game. The AI was fine after 2.1 for the most part, all they had to do was

>increase bounty payouts
>stop with the constant nonstop interdictions by elite-level high end ships that could knock out shields within a second
>make the bubble actually fucking unique with harder AI at the edges and at anarchy systems, easier AI around Eravate, have difficulty follow strictly with system security level
>make Sys Authority not fucking useless, give players a module (OR ENGIE MOD???) that allows you to jam a target's comms to delay security response
>lay groundwork for storyline missions that would ease you into the AI

Why the fuck is it always either one extreme or the other with these retards. This is literally the one thing that dads have right but they don't listen to them this time.

>>146359304
AI was ok but the issue was that only high ranked gank terror death squad NPCs ever spawned

>>146359640

I dunno, I'm largely just amused by all the elite anacondas that spawn to come after me in my modded courier running data missions.

They can never win the interdiction unless it glitches, and even in that case I'm beyond their maximum weapon range before their hardpoints finish deploying.

>>146359640

Yeah, that was one of my points. So why couldn't they adjust that and make the Dangerous/Deadly/Elite AI more rare instead of breaking everything again? Why couldn't they up bounty payouts to make the battles more worth it?

>>146358451
G-Forces, in zero-g spess? How does that work?

>>146359304
Did they really nerf AI that bad? I thought it was just a few tweaks.

>>146360889
centrifugal force exists even in zero gravity, it's what will provide artificial gravity for us in the near future.

Another great patch from FDEV, all my keybinds were reset and now docking computers hover your ship 30m to the right of the landing pad.

>>146361432
>docking computers hover your ship 30m to the right of the landing pad.
Oh god the dads must be pissed

>>146361432
>docking computers hover your ship 30m to the right of the landing pad.
KEK

>>146360889

Acceleration from an engine is no different from acceleration from a gravitational field as far as your flesh is concerned.

>>146362390
lewd...

>>146361432

They break that thing all the time. Nobody usually cares though because no competent pilot needs it or wants to be slowed down by one.

>>146362738
in other words

g i t g u d
i
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g
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>>146362738
When bulk trading and watching <insert favourite programme here> it is easier when the game plays itself.

>>146363136
>bulk trading

Found your actual problem.

>>146363282
I had to resort to that over a year ago when turreting was fixed and no friends for bountysploiting.

No worries nowadays though. I have enough money to crash my Anaconda to dads all day every day.

Forgive me, I haven't actually launched this game since Horizons came out in December and it was fucking nothing.

Is it possible to to get actual control via the throttle while flight assists are off? I can't exactly remember because of the above, but it always felt like the throttle on muh HOTAS proceeded to do absolutely nothing and I was left driving with directional thrust and the BOOOOOOST button when F/A got turned off.

I know there's keybinds for thrusting forward and backward, but that's literally the function of the god damn throttle.

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>>146363384
>exploit Founder's World discount bug at release to make 20mil and buy a kitted-out Asp
>Ftroop punishes exploiters and rolls back accounts
>get sent back to a noobwinder
>never exploit again
>every money exploit since has gone unpunished
>mfw

>>146363761
nevermind, I guess this defeats the "point" of FA off as implemented, would still be nice if there were a way to manually control speed via the throttle when it's off without having to give up buttons for something I wouldn't use except situationally.

I feel like throttling up and using the bigass engines to thrust around should be a thing, though. Am I just remembering wrong, or is that possible?

I know the reverse thrust feature exists for a reason, but I don't seem to remember that fucking doing anything either.

>>146363761

....what?

>>146363761

I'm not sure what your problem is. If I punch the throttle forwards or backwards in FA-off I start accelerating in that direction.

Or are you expecting to set the throttle to 50% and have it maintain 50% of your top speed? If so that's what flight assist is for. In FA-off the magnitude of the throttle controls how much of your max acceleration you're applying instead. Once at desired speed you need to cut the throttle.

>>146363950
>i_am_making_24mil_an_hour_click_here_to_learn_how.gif

>>146364228
I mean, maybe it's been updated since I was playing a lot, I didn't even test flight assist modes when I was playing in December, I just landed on a couple planets and drove the SRV around, discovered that was shit and boring after an hour, and never played again.

Trying to update and check that shit out now, but there's no way this download's getting done before I go to sleep.

>>146364332

Flight assist has always worked this way. It shouldn't matter even if you haven't played since the Alpha test.

>>146364454
Then I guess I'm getting ED confused with games where orbital mechanics actually work again.

Thanks, anon.

Hail Braben o7

>>146364275
>24 mil an hour

Python?

cuz my conda makes 40

Anyone else get bugged unlimited ammo for their multicannons after the latest patch? Feels good man, I can stay in the res forever

Going to grind myself to an Imp Cutta today. Fuck yes. Shu Babassi.

>>146366482
Fuck you, I'm still buttmad that I didn't grinded the shit out of that empire exploit before update.

>>146365601
>doesn't know of dank memes

>>146366536
Sucks right?
IT IS STILL VIABLE. IT STILL WORKS ANON

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so i desperately want to mod out a racing eagle but i have no clue how engineers works

what's the fastest way to get the materials and ranks to get this complicated shit

man all i want is to get comfy and fly in canyons
is that so much to ask?

>>146367395
Grinding engineer upgrades in an Eagle.
Oh boy will you know pain.

>>146367395
you need light-weight mods for that, go to inara and look for the components you'll need.

But I would just say fuck it, fly to farseer and get an enhanced drive (no components required, just cash). You'll still go super fast if you go d-rated with no weapons

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LOL

Trade Cutter or Conda for Sothis runs?

>>146367991
ASP

You won't even use that 700t cargo on cutter. On top of shit jump range.

>>146367991
Conda, you can actually jump somewhere.

>>146367991
Tradeconda. Asp is for plebs.

Anyone here plays FTL? I desperately want Federation Cruiser but I an't beat the game with that shitty Egni ship even on easiest

>>146369341
I feel your pain bro. I cheated to get mine.

>>146371010
You haven't posted that in a while.

>>146367991
Conda

don't hesitate to take smug missions too

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>>146372940
>smug missions

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>>146373001

>>146372940
What about interdictions?

>>146373303
Ctrl+Shift+Esc

Although personally haven't got too many.

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How long has the conda been like this?

>>146373945
What do you mean? The huge HP has always been like that.

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>>146373945

>>146373945
Do you mean the panel blocking the other hardpoint?

>>146279998
Isn't VISION a SC thing?

>>146307049
Clearly the most competent around: 3000AD :^)

is there any where that has a ton of donation missions for the Feds? I want to get that corvette.

>>146377184
17 Draconis.

Federal Gunship or Federal Dropship

Which was the shittier one?

>>146378160
both are equally bad
dropship has 2 small hardpoints more and less compartments for 30mil more

so I gues the gunship is even worse

>>146378160
I've never flown the Dropshit, but Gunship is fucking great once you master flying sans assist and fit it with S E V E N multicannons.

>>146378282
>7 multicanons

Do you ram your enemy until his shields go off before that?

>>146378446
Nah, MCs do good enough shield DPS, especially if you put incendiary rounds on

Anyone have any idea what got shut down with the server update?

>>146379708
My will to play this shit game.

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Damn, that gulag thread about the new new AI is top notch entertainment.
>dads, furfags, shills, mods and weebs are at eachother throats

There is no stronger love than the love between a man and his ship.

>>146380176
can the ship give blowjobs?

>>146380425
Of course it can, use your IMAGINATION.

>>146380056

>make the ai a little more challenging
>completely fuck up the balance, keep sending Elite FDLs and gunships to interdict people
>dont make bounties pay out more to justify the new challenge, turn fighting and jousting the AI becomes a chore and more annoying than fun
>dont bother fixing interdictions at all
>RAILGUNS, RAILGUNS, RAILGUNS
>make the AI retarded again instead of bothering to fix the many other issues surrounding interacting with the AI
>wonder why no one is happy

FD has to be one of the most incompetent devs I have ever seen. They just dont have any fucking clue. Absolutely none.

>>146381120
two words: Bohemia. Interactive.

>>146381120
Instead of making the AI potato-tier again, FD could have

>toned down the rate of random interdictions by A LOT
>make likelihood and difficulty of spawned NPCs based mainly on security level of system
>make system security level a front-and-center piece of information
>increase bounty vouchers and combat bonds to reflect how much longer it takes to kill AI
>NPC pirates and bounty hunters also scale with the value of the cargo you're carrying, and how big of a bounty you have on your head, respectively

Everyone has somewhere to go for the challenge level they want, you won't get chain-interdicted for 2 pieces of biowaste or a 200cr fine in some random system, and the grind is about the same as before.

Can I be a dev now?

>>146381120
>>146382040

This would imply that they knew anything about consistency.

These are the same people who thought we would enjoy the Rattle Me Bones gameplay the engineers provide.

/edg/ wings when?

>>146385792
>wings
we're shooting for the stars m8

>>146381120
>>146382040

I'm out of the loop. Did they backpedal and nerf the ai? When/how?