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>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses

>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
/bbg/ Fight Club:
Pthumeru - n6rc9jh8
Loran - jjpkdcgd
Isz - 9v8qndas
(every Saturday 6pm EST, general rules:http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)

>Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr

>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

>Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art & Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj

>Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX

>Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com

No longer dreams: >>145812518
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bloodborne is pretty fun
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>>145924083
Fuck you, nigger.
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>>145924083
i haven't beaten the game even though i've been playing it for over a year
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What was Brador's problem?
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>>145924260
He just wanted a friend
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>>145924260
he lined his brain with lies
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>>145924260
Fursecution complex
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>>145923825
>Cthulhu
>Deep ones
The Deep Ones worshiped Dagon! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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>>145924842
Father Dagon and Mother Hydra are the children of Cthulhu quite often,
Also thanks for posting that image, I've been looking for it.
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so i just killed moon presence and finished the game
and well i don't get it
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>>145925773
Nobody does. Don't think too hard about all this. Just go out and kill a few beasts.
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>>145925773
Keep playing, keep reading item descriptions
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Is the point to chalice duengons only to farm echoes and gems?

This is my first play through and I'm level 55 with 2 17 % phy att and a 16.

Wasn't sure if I should find more before going to the nightmare.
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>>145925952
Basically yes, you can easily beat the game with 17% gems but if you want to PvP you're gonna need them 27.2%
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>>145925940
It's just what hunters do.
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>>145925952
Yes, you can also get Lost and Uncanny weapons.
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Well, I can either do Lower Loran, or Defiled Pthumeru. Which would be the most optimal route to get good gems?
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>>145925773
Finished yesterday.
I read http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Lore
for a while and with some additional lore pages I eventually put it all together.
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>>145926294
That's all garbage
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>>145926294
I feel like I'll get some sort of aids if I follow that link. How could you possibly stomach that garbage?
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>>145926272
Pthumeru for radial, Loran for waning, and Isz for triangular. Happy hunting!
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>>145926272
You essentially are going to need both sooner or later depending on gems. Both chalices can be a nightmare if you're underprepped or not very gud. Defiled will get you closer to radials which you need to complete Ihyll for, but Lower Loran has wanings.

TLDR: Lower Loran if you need wanings, Defiled for radials
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>>145926850
And I want waning for Arcane, with appropriately slotted weapons, correct?
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>>145926272
Do isz
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>>145926946
Waning and triangular are your best bet for arcane. It depends on the type of arcane you want. For example, for bolt or fire gems waning is easier to get, but for arcane type triangular is better. And for some weapons like the Moonlight Sword or the Wheel, nourishing gems are the best, which can come from any chalice with Amygdala as a boss.
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>>145927058
>>145927147

They didn't go out of their way to make this easy, huh? Gonna go mess about in Isz, I think. Seems to be a lot of Arcane gems there, according to the OP's chart.
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>>145926482
>>145926581
Im not familiar with fextralife, was it really all wrong?
My understanding is:
The world was fine. The pthumerians went into the labyrinth and the world was still fine. Then byrgenwerth found yharnam and the blood which started to make things less fine. Laurence was a dickhead and spread the blood ministrations causing the beast disease. The world become very not fine. master willem got a third of the way to greatness but never went the full mile. the healing church run by laurence and the choir were assholes. Ludwig became the first hunter and started hunting the beasts. A lot of shit happened with hunting beasts and gerhman was a big influence it, by creating hunter armor and trick weapons. Shit happens, everyone seeks enlightenment, gerhman becomes the moon prescences puppet and he trains hunters to hunt great ones in order to complete the hunt for MP. You have too much insight from lining your brain with eyes so you fight the MP and become a baby great one. I left out some stuff but thats what i learned.
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>>145927893
also the universe is just different planes of existance stacked on eachother. This is the nightmare, waking world, and dream.
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Quite crushed by the realization I'll need to acquire weapons with actual triangle slots and fully upgrade those. Fuck gems, I need chunks.
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>>145928079
Dream and Nightmare are in the same dimension
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What is a good NG+ co-op level?
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>>145927893
>ludwig became the first hunter
I was under the impression that the crusty old fuck in the hunters dream called "The First Hunter" was first, but maybe fextralife is smarter than miyazaki so who knows X^)
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What's the best place to go to for lore analysis? I can't stand Vati.
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>>145928260
The game
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>>145927783
No, don't worry about gems until you get depth 5 root chalices

For now, do isz, then once you get the isz root chalice, make one with all three rites

We have a speed run guide
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>>145928260
ENB
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>>145928240
Ludwig was the first hunter for the Healing Church, no?
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>>145928394
Of the Healing Church, yes, but Gehrman was the First Hunter.
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>>145928371
ENB is very dedicated to Bloodborne, so much that hes only one red jelly short of a real life CRF dungeon
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>>145928621
I don't have a savage spongebob meme face to accurately represent what I feel
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>>145928853
get out enb
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>>145928621
I feel bad for the guy. He seems like one of the most honest people on Youtube, and I really respect that. I feel like people give him a lot of shit for no reason, and he doesn't know how to handle it.
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>>145928240
that part was kind of just me. I thought I read that somewhere. I know gerhman was called first hunter but I'm also stupid.
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>>145928621
I'm stealing this
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Ok, I think my axe is too slow to use against Maria once she stabs herself.
Time for Stake Driver.
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>>145929027
>>145928934
>>145928853
Truth be told I reuse this joke everytime someone mentions EdibleNecroBaby
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>>145928365
Ahhh, well, alrighty.

The lost versions of weapons are the best for Arcane, right?
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>>145930174
For the most part, yes. Do some searching for the runes you want and then make a decision though. Personally, I've been using https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syKnSKflHbFiGY4pXkfIeXoMa2Lp9X1aXyme2qaTen4/edit#gid=1814333532
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Oh hell, what do I do about the Street Sharks?
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>>145931216
Hit them, preferably while not getting hit yourself.
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>>145931216
Shaman bone blade
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>>145928225
98 to like 117
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>>145931464
It's only one Street Shark.
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>>145928225
116 is a good level to stop at because it can be summoned by level 80s while 117 can't, all the way up to like 170 or some shit.
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>>145931771
The first giant will stop fighting and call the second one when you take 50% of his health.
The second giant has the Rakuyo.
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>>145931909
No, no, I'm not in the well. Street Shark out in the main square nearby.
It's cool though, it's dead.
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>>145931982
You can run past them if you want, they're slow and easy to surpass.
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>>145931801
>>145931647
it's too late for me i'm already 144
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>>145932152
That's fine; he's just spouting memes.
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Wew, Isz ramps up fast. From Brainsucker, to Celestial Emissary, to motherfucking Ebrietas.

I'm gonna head in and get help with her tomorrow, I think. This dungeon has me too spooked to play right.
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>>145932950
>Having trouble with Ebrietas
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>>145933035
>people still think that being tryhards makes them sound cool
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>>145932950
Layer 1 and 2 are easy, Ebby can be a challenge.

If you enter a big room with wolves/brainsuckers, turn back. Waste of time
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>>145932950
I can help right now if you want it
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Do I miss out on anything if I murder Brador in his cell?
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>>145933304
Your dignity
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>>145933427
I cheesed Gascan and the three hunters in Yahargul, my dignity got sold a long time ago.
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>>145933258
Already plowed through it, actually. Sorely regretted that use of 14 blood vials.

>>145933035
>not having trouble with Ebby

>>145933296
Shit, I'm up for that. Meet at the fog gate? Pass is bbg
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>>145932308
I see.
I've only been able to find 3 hunters so far though, and I've had my bell on the entire way through up and including forbidden woods.
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>>145933506
One minute
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Does anyone want to help fight abhorrent beast in lower ailing loran? I'll help in return.
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So... I know this isn't something that should be asked here but I really don't want to go to /dsg/

Is there a PvP meta for DaS3 yet?
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>>145933719
Awrighty, will try not to die. 30 vitality and she murders in 2-3 hits... jeez
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>>145933758
I'll lend a hand. No need for anything in return, I've cleared everything on my file, I just want to help.
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>>145933304
He will stop invading you.
He only drops pieces of his set in his invader form.
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>>145933914
But that's wrong though. If you kill him in his cell, you can find his drops in the spots he would have invaded.
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>>145933810
Don't worry
Also make sure you're not standing too close to the fog gate
Just keep an eye on your beckoning bell icon so there's no X over it
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>>145933914
You can still pic up his armour pieces as items though, near the areas where he usually invades you.
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>>145933914
nah. If you kill him before you kill all of his invasions, the pieces of his set will be where ever he would have invaded you.
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>>145933853
thanks. Password is bbg.
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>>145933183
You can't stop autism, Anon.
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>>145934030
Well shit, not sure what's going on. I'm not close to the fog gate...
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>>145934202
If you interrupted your session with any other application it fucks with connectivity
Your best bet is to restart the game
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>>145934452
guhhh, will ring in a few minutes
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>>145934452
And ringing.
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>>145934452
Goddamn, what were you using? I almost feel bad for helping perpetrate that.
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>>145935128
Bolt saif
You aren't too far away from getting these hot nasty gems
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>>145935294
Feels like I've got a lot longer to go. I beat Isz, and then what?

Also, it's really the Chunks that are driving me batty here. They're so scarce.
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anybody up for NG+ burgerworth and beyond?
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>>145935361
Are you in Ng+?
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>>145935634
I am not, no. Why do you ask?
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>ATK vs the kin DOWN -10.9%
>ATK vs the kin UP 26.7%
why
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>>145935737
How about those +dmg at full hp gems with a -hp drain curse
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>BL 60
>+7 weapon, almost enough chunks to +8
>Every chalice done minus Pthumeru Lel because living string
>80+ insight
>Max consumables on most stuff
>DLC done
>Rom is still alive because she is friendly and I like the blue moon.
I feel autistic but its so comfy.
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>>145935929
Beat Rom, finish the game, go to ng+ and finish chalices and whatever else, get back up to Rom

Problem solved
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Now that I've got the Bloodletter, I'm really regretting not going going bloodtinge build.
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>>145935694
It would make things a little easier, but not by a whole lot.
I was gonna write a guide, but just use this. There's more stuff in the OP. It explains things better than I will.
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>>145935457
please respond
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>>145937627
Coming, where you ringing at and what's the password?
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>>145937627
where are you?
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>>145938396
>>145938516
I just got gang banged at rom's i'm on my way back to him now, pass is bbg
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>>145938748
Ringing bell by the lamp at Burgertown
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Anyone able to give me a hand with logarius? I'm at the fog door. Pass is just
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>>145938974
ringing
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>>145938969
>>145938748
fuck i've got spider legs in every orifice
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>>145939383
Damn, look at that pixel left of health.
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>>145939456
this happens to me way too often to be coincidence
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Thanks, Leming.
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>>145939647
#triggered

Are you still at Byrenwerth?
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>>145939456
>>145939647
You're not alone
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>>145939885
yeah, you might have to restart your game.
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>>145928225
98, it's good for NG co-op and PvP too
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>>145940121
And 98 mph is good enough to kill both parents. Is that why you're obbsesed with that meme number Lucy?
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>>145939965
Done.
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>>145939965
>>145940308

Is there an extra slot free?
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>>145940187
In that case it should be enough to kill himself as well.
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>>145940515
No, they needed to reach 117 mph for Lucy to die in the car crash.
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>>145940308
to yahar'gul?
>>145940397
unless the other two do not want to continue, i don't believe so.
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>>145939965
I see your ohantom and anither guy's but it's nit summoning me.

>>145940397
There was anither guy with us. Don't knownif he's still here tho.
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Time to farm some Watchers...
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>>145940726
We killed rom, I'm ringing at yahar'gul lamp right now
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>>145940895
Oh, alright. My char is not up to yahargul, so I'll pass. Good luck eith the juan reborn.
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0/10 sniping baltimore
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>>145941374
the fuck? are you guys the only ones there or what?
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Is there any place to get good Wheel runes before chalice it's starting to lag.
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>quickstep into an explosion to kill myself
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i love this cutscene
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to nightmare of mensis to meet mr. cage?
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>>145942604
yeah I'll wait at the lamp
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>SRRC spamming
>Host nowhere to be found
>No echoes coming in
>Gate locked
>Okay whatever, I'll just go unlock it
>Unlock the gate
>Host still nowhere to be found
>Still no echoes
>Silencing Blanked home
Fucking nips
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Is there co-operative hoonting going on right now?
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we must never speak of this
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>>145942898
I saw what I saw.
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>>145942803
yeah trying to get that plat
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>>145942984
o shit boi.
Where do I sign up
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5 hp

wew
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What level should I do the DLC? I'm currently at end-game around level 100. Too high?

I could do a new profile and blast my way through to whatever I need to be.
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>>145943532
100 is fine, you can still get a challenge out of the later areas but you most likely will breeze through the first
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after 1200 years nicholas has yielded to my r1 combo + augur infinite
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>>145943584
I still get slapped around in depth 4 chalices so I should be fine in the DLC.

Are the people crying about getting one-shotted by Ludwig just people with no VIT at all or something? I have 50, will that at least get me two-shotted?
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>>145943871
with 40 vit i didn't get one shot by a single enemy in the DLC on NG
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>>145943957
Sold! I hate getting killed in one hit more than anything. I'll take stun-locked to death over it.
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>>145944132
>he thinks he won't suffer both, even with 50 vit
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>>145943871
I had 43 vit when I first took on Ludwig in ng+ and none of his attacks one shot me from full health, not even his jump.
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>>145943090
at mergo's loft middle lamp pass is bbg
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>>145944453
>only up to nightmare of mensis lamp on my good build, rest are halfway through NG+

O-oh well, if you guys decide to NG+ it let me know
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>>145944607
we're doing NG+ haha
after i confront my grandpa and get one of the two endings left i'm going to NG++
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>>145944607
if you want to join we have an open spot right now
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>>145944719
Brave man.
Post here when you start summoning in NG++, i'll wait valiantly at central yharnam
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>>145926083
you need to go beyond!
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>>145944819
it has begun
ringing at yharnam
pass is bbg
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>>145945302
W-what's your total AR anon?
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>>145945302
C-can I be in the club too?...
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>>145945632
Why don't you do the math? All the numbers are right there.

You do know what an AR actually is, right?
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>>145945994
Doesn't split damage show up weird in actual AR stat... Or am I thinking thrust/blunt damage that fucks with the formula?
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>>145945632
I keep it backed up at 43 these days and I haven't played in a month. I forgot what it was with meta level bloodtinge.

Here's how hard it was hitting in a fight club.
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Sorry NG++ anon, I've got to go into town and do some shit.
Might be back on in an hour
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>>145946113
The only things that don't actually factor into the displayed AR are thrust and blunt damage.

It's also worth noting that his AR isn't actually going to be that absurd: he's twinking.
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>>145944819
not sure where that invader was but i'm gonna ring a ding ding in the cathedral ward

this is gonna be the last run of the night for me i got work tomorrow
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>BB has probably the best, most functional/practical adversary covenant system out of the entire series
>Tied the covenant items to stats
>No one ever uses anything but the completely random one because lolstamregen
Put your fucking vileblood runes on
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>>145946285
oh right on
well my thanks to everyone that joined the hunt tonight
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Need help in Central Pthumeru. Password is "4chanhlp" Glyph is 3itx
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>>145946512
ringing at the lamp
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>>145946658
Thanks, gimme 5 minutes please my mom asked me to do something. I'm sitting outside the box room
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>>145945302
Acts of min-maxing are not always wise, and acts of convenience are not always foolish, but regardless, we will always strive to be min-maxed.
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>>145946737
>my mom asked me to do something
Why did this make me laugh?
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>>145946658
What lamp? I'm at layer 2
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>>145940121
Jesus Mother Mary andn Joseph shut the fuck up dude
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>>145946991
oh, i'm at the first one.
give me a second to kill the dog.
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>>145947048
When can invade as Hunters of Hunters?


how does it work?
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>>145947230
didn't meant to reply yo you. Fuck!
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>>145937067
>CRF dungeons
>funnest part of Bloodborne
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>>145947048
Thanks! Why didn't I get vermin? Do I have to be the co-operater?
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>>145947372
CRF dungeons are fun if you're just spelunking for the hell of it instead of farming.
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>>145947230
There is a 30% chance when you are beckoned to be hostile
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>>145947372
>he doesn't like doing depth 4/5 dungeons at half health!
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>>145947230
When they're in a nightmare and theres a bell maiden or if you get the sinister bell
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>>145947419
Someone has to have the proper rune equipped for participants to get vermin.
I'll be at layer 3 in a moment if you want cooperation.
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>>145947601
Could you please equip the rone anon. I thought I was the only one who needed to drive i was the host. I'm working my way through layer 3, I'll wait for you at the lamp
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>>145947719
I would, but I don't have it on this character, unfortunately.
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ow
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oFY2GVyQ3Vq8WDCRnkZWMVldnm0eTt6iotOJaZBWTW0/edit?usp=sharing

Not finished, but it's still better than mugenmonkey. Comapred to MM, it won't tell you if you don't meet the minimum requirements for a weapon and it only has one weapon slot per hand. I'll add those in eventually, but it's not a high priority. Other than that, it's got a few nice extra features, like a damage simulator and (limited) bloodgem selection. Also it has an Arcane Tool calculator. It's in another tab, down at the bottom. And it calculates AR on a per-attack basis.

File > Make a Copy in order to edit it.

Other than dropdown menus, there are only a few fields you should be entering stuff into. The "Desired Values" for stats (C8:C13, leave blank or enter 0 if you want the minimum value possible), your Insight (E5), and values for bloodgems in the weapon editing fields (N21:N29 and D21:D23 for right and left hand weapons, respectively). Also you can enter w/e the fuck you want into Defense and Damage Reduction fields in the Damage Simulator, it just defaults to your character's defensive stats.

Let me know what you think. Or ask any questions you may have. Try not to type stuff into cells that have formulas. Report bugs. Request features, then get told by me that they're already in development.
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>>145949687
Even though I probably won't use it (I;m not hardcore about my builds) I still appreciate your time and dedication, anon.

I also appreciate the old school Dranonlance art in your image. I read those books like crazy as a wee lad.
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>Queen Annalise has unique dialogue after being revived if you killed her
>but not if Alfred kills her
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>invade a fuckboi
>session lost
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>>145953034
You won't fool me. I won't misstreat my Queen.
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>>145953317
All she does is insult you and say it's pointless trying to kill her.

It would be nice if she thanked you or something for reviving her after being WHEEL'D
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>>145923825
Stop wasting space for other threads fagets. Go to your shitty soulsborne general
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>invade
>kill him
>invade him again
>kill him again
>invade him yet again
>he plays hide and seek
>eventually kill him after like 5 minute of searching in the Mensis
>he writes me a message turn off hack please and blocks me
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It's almost like I'm wearing pumps.
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>>145955453
>mix-and-matching tattered hunter gear with the knight set
>using ragged looking weapons with the knight set
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>>145955653
It's literally the best hat to go with the set, nerd.
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>>145955782
It looks dumb. The knight set looks like it's in pristine condition and pretty much every other piece of gear in the game looks old and worn.

The only thing that even remotely looks good with it is the wig and that's only if your character's hair color matches it properly otherwise it looks just as stupid.
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>SotFS $16 on PSN

Why did I do it, /bbg/?
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>>145958030
Masochism.
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Yay, finally reached Vileblood top 250 with my new character..
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>>145960718
>top
>250
I'm really happy for you, but you can do better
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>>145960931
It's a shame that the top won't ever be reached because dupe fags.
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>>145961134
Deathstalkerrai is at the top and he didn't dupe, you just aren't dedicated to the dark
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>>145961210
Wait was that the Praise the Dark dude?
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>>145958827
No, this is Masochism. That's Crippling Anguish.
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>>145962341
What am I meant to be looking at
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>shoot someone in the back while they're trying to run away
>it hits them right as they try to heal and triggers a visceral
>>
I picked the Saw Cleaver just because it was on the box art. Now I'm on NG+ and have a million billion upgrade items. What's a good weapon to transition to?
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>Why is that other guy climbing the ladder faster than me?
>Press all the buttons
>You can hold circle to climb faster with no stamina penalty
>I find this out 50 hours into the game
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>>145963406
It's the Guild Wars skill icon for Masochism. >>145958030 is the icon for a skill called Crippling Anguish.
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>>145964009
>mfw I purposely climb ladders slowly

It's fun watching someone speed up the ladder only to bump into your ass.
>>
Would gem farming with the Eye runs be counterproductive if I'm trying to get regular Tempering gems from the Watchers?

I've heard that apparently increasing your discovery increases the chances of getting rare drops but Tempering gems are the most common so it might actually work against me. I wanna farm chunks at the same time though so I need more discovery for that. Can anyone confirm?
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>>145964830
Increasing discovery increases drop rates, not drop quality. So if something is already guaranteed to drop something- in this case, a gem- it won't change anything.

Higher discovery DOES mean you'll get more chunks from your grinding though, so at least there's that.
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>>145964830
>Would gem farming with the Eye runs be counterproductive if I'm trying to get regular Tempering gems from the Watchers?

Maybe.

There's some evidence to suggest that eye runes increase the chance of you getting less common types of gems, or of getting off shapes, but it's inconclusive. Basically, there hasn't been enough testing done on it. A couple people have done 100 runs here or there and demonstrated a couple % points difference in drop rates, but you'd probably need to do thousands of runs to be certain.

OTOH, eye runes definitely do NOT increase the chance of higher ranks of gems dropping. You'll still get the same ratio of 17s, 18s, and 19s from Watchers. So they don't help with that. There's really no point to using them, unless you're trying to get chunks.
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>>145956013
Maria's set looks perfectly fine with Knight's
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>>145964830
Who are you farming chunks from?
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Ahh...
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>>145972117
some
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>>145972160
times
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>>145972117
You were at my side, all along. My true mentor or some say Kosm
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>>145972160
body once told me
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>>145972193
it
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>>145972292
says
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>>145972340
five
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>>145972417
Kosms...
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>>145928394
He's the famous one that everyone remembers for being great, which is why he's mentioned in so many item descriptions, whereas Gehrman is "obscure in the waking world" and you don't know shit about him until after you've killed him. You can even sense a little bit of resentment in Gehrman's voice when he talks about Ludwig.

Basically, Ludwig is Jobs and Gehrman is Wozniak.
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>>145970418
Merciless Watchers while farming gems
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>>145972482
aren't
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>>145972513
>You can even sense a little bit of resentment in Gehrman's voice when he talks about Ludwig
nah
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>>145972513
Ludwig was the first hunter of the Healing Church, which ended up basically being the main governing body of Yharnam. You're damn straight he'd be remembered over a hunter of the workshop. Nobody remembers the Powder Kegs or Maria either.
>>
Starting Defiled Pthumeru. How awful is this gonna be.
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>>145972793
Also I would guess that hunting was done discreetly maybe to not fluster the inhabitants of Yharnam.
>Allows one to stalk beasts unannounced, by cover of night (Hunter set)

After the Beast plague went out of control the Church made their own workshop with Ludwig as the leader of beast purging crusaders that went through the town and cleaned up.

/headcanon
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>>145974819
All fun except for the last boss.
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>>145961210
>Deathstalkerrai
Miss Maple / highchampion with 16k is at the top.
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>>145975121
Amy is really easy though, as long as you solo it. It's basically a noob trap because summoning makes it harder.
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>>145975814
Was I talking about fun or difficulty?
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>>145975875
Yes.
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>>145976016
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>>145975121
Gruh, regular Amy G gives me trouble, this one is gonna be monstrous.
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>>145976895
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First for no one expects the surprise cannon!
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>>145977301
>mess up the positioning even slightly and it's instant dead
>>
>50 seeds today
>never died once
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>>145978231
Say that again.
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>>145978641
>surprise
>literally right there
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>>145978524
With 30 vit and a health rune you should be able to take a hit. and the positioning on the jump is easy. Just stand behind the tail when she jumps then stand still.
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>>145978980
Nope. I had 45 vit and the rune and I was still getting killed in one hit.
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>>145979032
You must have been getting counter hit then, because I could survive being swatted at 30 vit, unless you are talking about the jump, which should never touch you.
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>>145978641
Wait, how did you that?
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>keep of the old lords kills me in one hit

Well fuck Defiled.
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Splunking FRC Ihyll gtwhfg34

pass is bbg555

will be ringing throughout
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>>145979551
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>>145979643
That would require skill I don't have.
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>>145979551
Level up or don't get hit.
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>>145979829
Then trust your instincts.
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>>145927893
Sort of. When the scourge first spread, the workshop hunters were formed. Gherman was to lead them and he the first. These hunters were sneaky, quiet and worked at night as they didn't want the scourge public. When the scourge was public then they made the church hunters, who went out and rallied all the common people to kill beasts.
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>>145979643
Nose Bop is much better for the Dog than the legs.
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>>145979872

Was thinking level 30 vitality would be enough... urg
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>>145980254
I got the plat with 30 vit. You just need to learn their patterns and exploit them because you have less margin of error. Mensis gems help a lot too.
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>>145980225
You type that bullshit since summer '15 and everytime a dude explained that breaking the legs is far faster. And that was before you could summon the Npc to divert hotdogs aggro. Aren't you tired of your faggotry by now?
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>>145980424
Using Mensis Gems, but yeah, gotta get gud.

Seriously though he's killing me in one hit with normal strikes why.
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>>145980652
Level your vit, equip his armour, use the parry cheese or set a pass, some bored anon will probably help you.
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>>145980893
Mmmn, just cheesed him with Augur. He can't get close enough to hit you.
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>>145980652
Do what I am doing in the WebM. Wait for a gap in him combos then attack. If you are using a fast weapon it will interrupt him. Eventually, back him against a wall.

Also, don't try to attack when he sprints at you. Wait for that cocky slow walk then attack until you corner him.

You should be way more damage than I am doing in the WebM because the damage in that is purposely low due to the challenge.
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>never tried the Chikage before
>make a build for it
>finally get it after wasting all my vials on Logarius
>it's shit
god fucking damn it
>>
>>145939456
>>145939647
>>145939885
>>145939892
tfw too cocky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ1SeFZJHXk
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>145981447
That's why you should have gone with this build. Even if you didn't like the Chikage, you would have access to every other BLT weapon.
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>>145981447
it's shit if you're shit
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>>145981714
>tfw nobody ever summons me for queen Yharnam
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Anyone want to help me with normal bsb? Pass is bbg
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>>145982008
I'm coming, give me a few minutes and I'll ring at the door
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>>145982008
Ringing at the fog gate.
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>>145981748
>every other BLT weapon
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>>145982161
>>145982219
Thanks guys!
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>>145982258
?
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>>145981891
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>>145981748
l just tried this build and l got to say it's awesome
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>>145981748
I,too, just tried this build and got to say it's awesome!
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>>145982709
I just enjoy bullying things what need to be bullied.
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>>145981891
>>145982875
If I can get through lower loran and defiled on this character I can summon you babes
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>>145982886
>>145983002
This is going to be a false flag thing, isn't it?
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>FRC splunking in the dead of night
>turn corner
>see this

fuck
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>>145983131
This is actually terrifying
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>The hot poker watchers can heal themselves
What are they eating when they do, anyways?
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>>145983457
Half Moon Grass
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>>145981748
Cannon and Gat are Str weapons, not Blt. They barely have any scaling.
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>>145981748(You)
>>145982886(You)
>>145983002(You)
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>>145983828
They have zero str scaling
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>>145984172
Why don't you show up in the fc to prove once and for all how awesome your build is?
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>>145984172
But the requirement is so high that you're already playing a Strength build, you may as well go all the way with it instead of spreading your stats thin and having a build that is sub-par at everything.
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>>145984948
>minmaxing to 98 instead of doing something fun

Bloodletter+Gatling Gun is badass and certainly not sub-par at anything.
>>
Is there any real reason to stay exactly at 98? Going ten levels above won't harm anything, right?
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Anyone want to help on Lower Loran Dark Beast? Will set the pass to bbg132 if anyone wants to.
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>>145986000
There is no reason at all to ever bother being level 98.

There's a fight club once a week containing people who are not level 98, and aside from that there is no organized pvp in this game. Arbitrarily stopping at level 98 is just stupid.
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>>145985972
You forgot your tripcode
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>>145986000
Most reddit and gaf and those places metas are 120. 98 keeps you just out of range so you don't have to fight the same Bone Ash wearing BoM shitters without fail every single time you want to PVP.

If you don't care about avoiding the unwashed pleb masses, then you can basically do whatever the fuck you want.
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>>145983352
IT'S A 4 LAYER DUNGEON
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>>145983131
Those fucking things are harder than most bosses.
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>>145983131
Which enemy is this? Don't think I've ever seen one
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>>145988638
Naked watcher, usually found in Pthumeru and Hintertombs.
They roll around instead of walking.
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>>145986000
Those at lvl 98 can invade people that are level 80 and also avoid being invaded by people that are 120.
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>>145989341
>>145988638
I've never seen a level spawn in the middle of a room.
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How many god damned blood viles does the npcs from the old bell get?
Jesus christ I just faced three hunters and managed to kill one of the summoned guys before running out of blood viles trying to kill the god damned npc.
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Is pic related worth anything to anyone? layer 4 boss of gtwhg34 drops it
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Need help on bsb lvl 34 ringing outside her room with pass bbghelp
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>>145993242
omw
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>>145986392
That wasn't even me.
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>>145992750
What do you have 15 skill for?
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Micolash is a fucking garbage fight
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>>145993403
Thanks my dude
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>>145993829
Dunno, i think it's amazing the first you fight against him. It's not exactly thrilling at long term though, true.
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Just took out NG+3 Orphan. Wew.

Time for NG+4 I guess
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>>145993648
Don't know, I must've fucked up the leveling at some point
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Can anyone help on defiled Amy G.?
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>>145994625
It's so much easier solo.
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>>145994625
Sure thing, just let me boot up my console and I'll be right in there.
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>>145994772
2 people is even easier. 3 is where it goes wrong
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>>145994948
Pass is bbg123
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>>145995261
i'll be there as well
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>>145926294

When you use wikis, youtubers and anything not directly cited from the games to get your lore always take it with a grain of salt. There's always some subjective theories barely hinted at that get presented as canon.

If you really want to get into lore, the best thing is to do it yourself and make your own theories.
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>>145994993
No, even one person makes it harder. It means her aggro can and wwill suddenly change. You won't really be able to just stand still to avoid her jumps anymore, which is the easiest way of dealing with her.

See: >>145977301
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>>145986000
98 is enough to finish a build without it being op, it's right in the middle of the late game and ng+ brackets for invasions, and you enter into /bbg/'s fight clubs knowing you're offering your opponent a fair fight.
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>>145995352
>>145994948
I botched it. I'll ring again
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>>145995352
>>145994948
Thanks guys. You're my heroes.
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Is it possible for a quality build to get the kind of damage numbers strength and skills builds get at bl98?
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>>145998209
No. take it to 125 for real damage and to avoid autismos.
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Whats the point of BL43?
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What should my VIT be for NG+ Orphan?
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>>145998289
Just go MV-44/15/50/25/08/06

>>145998446
Twinking. The lowest level that can be invaded is level 30. Level 43 is the highest level that can still invade a level 30 player.
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>>145998209
You can have 50 vit with 50/25 str/skill
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Is the dupe glitch still working?
Gone away for a while and just wanted to make a gimmick build for the day off
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>>145998951
No, they fixed it.
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>>145998951
If you delete your game and its updates, un-plugg the internet, and reinstall it though the disc, and don't re-plugg in the internet, until you're finished, then sure.
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Which LHB is the best for arcane build? Lost, uncanny or normal?
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>>145999498
Lost with bolt or arcane gems.
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>RFC Bloodletting Beast
>can OHKO with half its attacks
>finally getting good run
>WEAPON AT RISK

Luckily Fire Paper made up for the lost damage on my Beast DOWN backup weap, but fuck durability.
>>
>>145999287
the game is weird in its retail state though, and I'm not sure if the Old Hunters edition has the patches on the disc
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what weapon would you guys use on a SKL/BLT build early on? kinda underwhelmed by the Cane..
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>>146000351
>I'm not sure if the Old Hunters edition has the patches on the disc
I have it, it includes all the patches.
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>>146000356

Saif
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>>146000356
Saif
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>>146000356
Sawspear
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>>146000356
Wheel, you filthy vileblood shit.
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anyone for logarius? lv50
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>>146001707
set a pass why don't ya?
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>>146000661
>>146000735
so i have to kill amelia with this stupid whip?
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>>146001707
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>>146001936
>>146002029


nvm killed him meanwhile
just wasnt sure of myself with the new char lol

thanks anyway
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>>146001998
Yeah, just put fire paper on it and it will take 20 seconds.
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>>146001998
>serrated weapon capable of hitting every weak spot she has
>stupid
git gud kid
>>
I just can't do the Winter Lanterns on BLT playthrough. They're hard to parry and any stagger I do is a health drain so I die when the frenzy hits


FUCK
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>>146002096
mhm. i just need to find my dodge timings again after DaS3.
yes i still havent beaten her, 7th try
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8

The best
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>>146002346
Have you beaten Hemwick?
>>
>>146003095
i had a character up until upper cathedral ward, but that was over half a year ago.
on this new character no, but honestly i forgot you could go there without beating amelia
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>a large portion of my NOPE
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>>146002378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ARlJYXoMUU
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Why is the doll so damn big? lt makes me feel like a midget each time l go level up
>>
I know you all will say get gone and what have you but I'm over and bored with Bloodborne something snapped just now about he gems and everything, PC fats are lucky they don't have it
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>>146004678
Stop farming gems and go explore a random RFC dungeon.
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Don't you think it's strange that you can only save 8 favorite faces and yet you have 10 available character slots?
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>>146004549
More like why are you so damn small?
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>>146005289
>>146005473
>tfw you forget to attach a picture

happens to me everytime
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>>146005219

Is that Lisa's brother?
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>>146005473
>>146005289
HOW EMBARRASSING
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>>146005815
Don't you dare look at me!
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>>146004280
>>146004549
SEE>>146005815
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>>146004846
Oh case that's fun.
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>>146007005
Shit sorry I forgot about the NO FUN rule. Go back to lvl 98.
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>Ludwig's Holy Blade looks best with Cainhurst pieces

COINCIDENCE OR
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>>146007005
fuck you it is I'm doing one now
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>>146007687
For maximum effect:
>crown of illusions
>cainhurst chest, gauntlets, and leggings
>LHB
>loch shield
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>>146007879
anyone got a picture of this?
>>
Oh sweet Jesus WHY?!?!
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>>146008282
you won the frc lottery
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>>146008629
Look closely in the top right. That's one of those fireball-spamming bitches on the bridge. As if it wasn't bad enough already.
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>>146008271
Don't bother, it looks like shit.
Crown of Illusions is the most ridiculous piece of equipment in the game, and it will clip with your hair.
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>>146008282
>Even the bridge has a fucking pyro witch on it
Delicious.
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Why is it so hard to find a connection in new game plus?
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>>146002286
Why bother? The gems you find on the floor are good enough to beat the game, and if you want top-tier shit you should be in FRC chalices. Winter Lantern gems are the awkward middle ground.

>>146003883
What dungeon do these guys show up in?
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>>146009269
ng+ players can online get matched with ng+ players and beyond(ng++,ng+++..) unless you use a password, of course
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>>146009482
Ihyll mostly I think.
>>
Instead of using quicksilver bullets, which is stupid, Augur of Ebrietas, Call from Beyond, and Blacksky Eye should build up frenzy on the user

Discuss
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>tfw no splunking covenant

it'd be nice to get a little lore item at the bottom of each chalice or something
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Too proud to show your true face, eh? But a sporting hunt it was!
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>>146010003
At least you've got a chance at a Blood Rock.
>>
Anyone ever found a Revered Great One Coldblood?
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>>146010135
but like a register recording how many chalice dungeons you've splunked would be really nice I'd be ww number 1
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>>146010307
Doesn't exist like the Guidance 3 Rune.
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Does anything in the game change at all between ng and ng+ like in dark souls dark souls 2 sotfs?
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>>146010327
That'd be pretty sweet.
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>>146010406
Nah not really. Key items (rune workshop tool, bloodgem workshop tool etc) and fixed runes are are replaced with Madman's Knowledge. No new enemies. Everything else is the same. Even bloodgems, which is real disappointing, watching your inventory fill up with useless +5% gems again.
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>>146010404
How do we know Guidance 3 doesn't exist? Is it just assumed it would've been found by now if it did, or was there some sort of confirmation it was fucked at some point?
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>>146010406
You get a little grave in the Dream if you choose a certain ending. Other than that not really, which I'm kind of glad about because fuck that ring +2 bullshit. DaS2 almost had it being interesting with some boss fights gaining additional enemies and mechanics, but not nearly enough.
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>>146010736
it exists, but it isn't coded to be dropped by anything or spawn anywhere
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>>146010770
Nobody seemed to have a problem with DeS and DS1 NG+ but suddenly DS2 threw some shitty gimmicks in and "OMG NG+ IS THE SAME WHAT BULLSHIT FUCK THIS GAME".
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>>146010736
Just assumed, pretty fucking obvious at this point though I'd say.
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holy fuck I forgot how good the regain was on the Hunter Axe.

Truly the best starting weapon in all Souls
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>>146010770
>fuck that ring +2 bullshit
To be fair DaS2 handled that better than DaS3, since you could use ascetics to re-fight the one boss you needed instead of replaying the whole game.

>>146011221
It only needs the regain because it swings so slowly you can't avoid getting hit. Threaded Cane 4 lyfe senpai
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>>146011221
>Soak a hit while kirking
>Charging a kirk
>Kirk back all of the damage in a single swing
Kirk yeah
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>>146010541
It's to the point that I get excited when the first two layers have been short because Chalice dungeons appear to have a set budget of assets and that usually means it's saving for a 4th layer.

It's to the point that I can use the insight and echoes I get from one dungeon to fund the next, becoming a perpetual splunking ritual.

>tfw no mad phantom covenant bell that lets you either help or hinder intrepid splunkers

>tfw no forgotten madman covenant leader

>tfw no cute Yharnamite searching for aforementioned forgotten madman covenant leader who's actually her long-lost grandpa
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Why is the doll like the best of the support waifus from the souls series? Even if the dream is pretty empty the doll is top qt, only the maiden in black comes close
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Looking for help with crf headless bloodletting beast. Reply for pw as im hoping to snag someone off srrc in the meantime.
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>>146012681
That hell lake with hotdog+pyrowitch is zyzgs22s if you want it. The last boss was someone I haven't seen in ages too.
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>>146012836
Heres a pic as offering
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>>146013053
Thanks, I might check it out once I'm done with x97gu475
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>>146013354
>double Saw Spear witch
Lord have mercy. I didn't even realize that was possible.
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>>146012681
Sounded interesting until the "tfw no cute Yharnamite searching for aforementioned forgotten madman covenant leader who's actually her long-lost grandpa" part
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Say I'm level 4, and a 120 or something summons me with a pass. Will my hp scale up so I'm not fucked or does the scaling only go downwards?
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>>146012791
Maiden in Black was the best unless you count bonfires from DaS1. Doll was less shit than the DaS2 bitch though.
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>>146013354
>>146013557

Oh fuck the first room has a Cainhurst hunter + a corpse-wielding Sage.
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>>145992750
Cold gems are good with a secondary effect of fire, bolt, or arcane up. Also that's a shitty cold gem. The increased scaling goes up to +65.
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Requesting picture of Ludwig saying "ahh my sides"
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>>146013871
And DaS2 was better than DaS3
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>>146013693
Only down
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>>146012836
Just got two summons in a row at 100 both bt builds and both got wrecked.

Anyone want some chunks or rocks?
Maybe a heavy abyssal gem?
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>>146013871
MiB has no eyes.

Doll literally IS eyes.

>>146013946
Here you go.
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>>146013971
NO.
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>>146014159
I mean the bonfire bitch, not the game
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>>146013557
>>146013898
They're not the only pair of hunters in the dungeon either
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>>146014159
The PvP was, at least, but you wouldn't know that since you only play offline.

>>146014237
Seriously the green bitch was the only part of DS2 That didn't look like ass.
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>>146014337
Majula in general was pretty cool comfy as fuck, wish the dream was more like that with people joining you there, even if the dream has the best atmosphere imo
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>>146013898
>>146014306
Fun!

I'm gonna keep a Bell going with pass 'plsno' as long as I'm in here in case anyone wants to join via SRRC.
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>>146014542
something like if a hunter npc, Eileen for example, died peacefully they'd end up in the hunters dream, but if they died drunk with blood they'd end up in the hunters nightmare.
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>>146014542
The dream would be ruined if it wasn't so lonely. The whole point is to be a serene retreat from the city.

It reminds me heavily of the End of Time from Chrono Trigger, which looks similar and had a similar atmosphere.
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>>146014102
Doll rejected her eyes and became the maiden in black. The Squid babby hunter grew up into the Old one.

>>146014237
So do I.

>Bear
>Seek
>Seek
>Lest

>>146014337
>The PvP was
The PvP was babby mode. It was like Real Soulsbourne PvP but with training wheels and a speed limiter
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>>146014049
Ya bastards are no help or does everyone hate fighting hlbb?
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>>146014542
Well that was the point of Oedon, and obviously BB isn't as big on the whole "everyone happily gathers in the end and it's great fun!" bit as DS2 was.
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>>146015000
Or at least have more interaction with Gerhman and the Doll
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>>146004549
I'm just happy she's tall and not just levitating 3 inches off the ground.
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>>146012836
OK I'll help if you want
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>>146015127
>it's a clever trick to make them look taller without altering the models
>genius, really

Yes, I've seen someone unironically defend this theory about Dark Souls' floating NPCs.
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>>146015246
shut up matthew
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>>146015164
Just managed to finish him from half health after my summon died.

Thanks for the offer though!
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happy reminder that if you ask for help to beat a boss your scrub and should not even play the game
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>>146015101
That's true makes the fact that everyone there will probably end dead or crazy even worse
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>>146014953
>>146013898
I/you might need help with the layer 3 boss

let me know when you're here
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>>146015727
I'm only on L1 but I can SRRC if you want
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>>146015614
Someone sounds resentful that other people havent sunk as much time into the game as he did
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>>146015819
not to worry I just obliterated it

which is surprising
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>>146015101
>everyone happily gathers in the end and it's great fun!
It's hardly a happy end. It's more of a retirement home. Yeah it's not as bleak as Dark Souls 1 where all your friends go hollow and die, but being stuck in a rotting decrepit seaside town for so long that you forget why you ever came there in the first place is depressing in a unique way.
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>>146015614
Well to be fair to some bosses like Rom is not a matter of difficulty it's just that it's merely time consuming.
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>>146015614
I wouldn't go that far, but it's a head scratcher for me when they ask people here to carry them through chalice bosses then claim they finally "earned" the plat.
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>>146016348
Still better than the days of "GIEV BLADDERSTONE PLZ so I CAN EARN MUH PLAT".
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>>146016521
Nah, you could just let people how a sharp weapon for them to get that. Now speeding a week farming that shit doesn't really equate to having someone beat a boss for you.
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>>146015948
not really, l actually made a small diagram to show my point(pic related)

ln summary, even though dying feels frustrating, you great feeling of acomplishement after beating a boss. With help, it literally gets killed in 10 seconds and it leaves you with a "meh" impression, l would not even call it a boss fight
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>>146016991
Fighting NG++ or higher bosses together at level 98 is fun though.
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>>146017169
l guess, l haven't really went to ng+ yet so l can't tell
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>>146012836
Here

Don't wanna set off people with the 'tism but I've suffered learning this boss and now im savescum farming him for abyssals. I can usually solo him but im off my game today.

Also i agree with the no summoning idea at least until you beat each one on your own its really the only way to play the game.
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>>146017341
Find someone in NG++ and help them fight Laurence.
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Anyone have any theories as to why I keep getting blanked out of vermin when I did all the fucking work?

>gesture joy and rally at end of boss
>host disrupts bell
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>>146016991
You forgot the "shitpost on bbg about how gud I am and how easy it is to dodge all its attacks" part of the "with help" graph
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Did you retards really split the generals again? What the fuck kind of autism do you idiots have?
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>>146017471
That's more just "gangbang until he lag-cancels an animation and OHKOs someone" though.
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>>146017756
Who is this semen demon?
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>>146017756
sauce
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>>146017582
Top cucked
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>>146017756
>close /bbg/
>someone posts about BB in /dsg/
>instantly buried by DS3 shitposts
>BB is never discussed again
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>>146017756
/dsg/ is a containment board for DaS3 apologists
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FUCK YEAH! just killed defiled armeggedon and im fucking done with curses forever
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ls there any significant amount of difference on summons between le 98 BL meta and the 80 BL meta?
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>>146016081
They're not retired, everyone has a job and they all interact with a lot of travellers, the nigger in paricular.
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>>146018319

He's slowly getting hollower though

Also Cale was murdered by Creighton, which is why seeing Creighton is the last thing he remembers
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>>146018419
We're all slowly getting deader.
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Are the stones you get from crows in this game supposed to be eyes?

Also why does everyone have their eyes bandaged?
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>>146018203
could you put any more buzzwords into that post
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>>146018531
/dsg/ is a containment board in the CLOUD for Islamic DaS3 apologists
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>>146018531
/dsg/ is an artificial containment board for DaS3 apologists baka desu
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>>146016991
Except chalice rom I agree. Fuck that nigger. No fun, no strategy, just hope you get lucky.
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>>146018302
You'll get more action at level 98.

>>146018882
False. There is a strategy. It's just a bit tedious.
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So how the fuck does Amygdala fit into all this?

The church has statues of him despite it completely revolving around Ebrietas, he has both former humans (Patches) and great ones (lesser Amygdala's) as minions, his minions constantly try to kill the good hunter as he gets closer to the upper lecture hall, and he's basically the only great one who is completely out the gate hostile towards the good hunter (Ebrietas won't attack unless you attack first, MP tries to convert you if you kill Gehrman and only attacks if you can resist him, Mergo's Wet Nurse is just trying to stop you from killing baby Mergo).

The other great ones range from benevolent to apathetic to a degree, hell even MP's goal is to kill Mergo and make everything normal again (for a time at least), Amy seems like the only one with sinister intentions.
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>>146019225
Patches was never human
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>>146019397
Aren't the human headed spiders the nightmare forms of the School of Mensis guys?
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>>146019225
I don't think there is a distinction between boss Amygdala and "lesser" Amygdalae. There's not really anything in the game to suggest that boss Amygdala is anything special.

Also, the reason MP wants Mergo dead is because Bloodborne is an unofficial remake of Earthbound and Mergo will grow up to be Giygas.
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So was henryk the father of gascoigne or viola? gascoigne/viola's daughter mentions her grandad so he has to be one of those two options
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>>146019679
There's no real evidence that they were human, it's more plausible to think that they're just creatures that exist in the nightmare like the winter lanterns and the crawlers in frontier.
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>>146019225
I think amygdala is worshipped because shes the most common great one. The lessers amygalas are everywhere and you can see them with only 40 insight. Im sure someone must have made contact.
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>he didn't consume 3 Umbilical Cords
>he didn't kill the Moon Presence and permanently end the scourge of beasts
>he didn't ascend his existence and claim the mantle of Great One
>he isn't comfortably chilling with the doll in the Hunter's Dream that he now owns
>he picked one of the other two endings
explain yourselves right fucking now
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Just noticed that ds3 has something similar to beasts embrace.

Just how much bloodborne stuff is in ds3?
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>>146019769
>gascoigne/viola's daughter mentions her grandad so he has to be one of those two options
How the fuck did you jump to that conclusion?

>>146019705
The Amygdalae with the tentacles are called "lesser Amygdala" in the official guide.
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>>146019705
The way I see it, MP wants Mergo dead because shes the child of a great one (oedon?) and MP is a dick to great ones.
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>>146019225
They're inter-dimensional taxi cabs. But the church saw them and went "woah, a great one, sweet."
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>>146019927
dragon transformation stones were a thing long before BB came around m8
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>>146019803
Not the guy you're replying to but i thought they were from mensis.
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>>146019903
I don't want to be a shitty worm
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>>146019903
I did the best ending but I didnt realize MP was tied to the scourge. Is this true? As in does it have any supporting evidence.
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>>146020045
Is that a dragon head? Couldnt really tell what sort of monster it was.

Ive read environmental assets from bb was reused tastefully
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>>146019705
>>146019947
Also Patches specifically refers to boss Amygdala as "Lord Amygdala" and don't seem to worship the tentacle faced versions.
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Wow fuck Defiled Pthumeru layer 2, this is just bullshit. Standard zombie guys one-shotting me with 30 vit
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>>146020324
>30 vit
You sound surprised
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>>146020324
Welcome to Bloodborne. Everything will one-shot you with 30 vit once you hit NG+.
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>>146020429
Yes, incredibly. Ludwig couldn't halve my health with single strikes, but these little stick-armed fucks can? Guh.

All worth it for gems, I guess.
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>>146019947
Does it also refer to the boss as as a "greater Amygdala"?

>>146020257
He says that line while the camera is hovering over a tentacle face one. It's never made clear which one he's talking about and it doesn't really matter anyway, Patches is a useless fuckboi who couldn't get any attention from a proper Great One.
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>>146020324
Nigga, 40 vit is the minimum, 50 vit is recommended.
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>>146020161
>the red moon hangs low, and beasts rule the streets...
>...when the red moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred
the MP descending causes the curse to go into overdrive. the two are clearly connected somewhere

>To escape this dreadful Hunter's Dream, halt the source of the spreading scourge of beasts, lest the night carry on forever
aka stop the Mensis Ritual. Which, again, is a ritual that beckons the MP (whether on purpose or no).

we also know from the Chalices that the Scourge of Beasts was originally laid down upon the Pthumerians, spreading outwards from Loran (see: Loran chalice). These same descriptions tell you that said curses were laid down by Great Ones as a response for some sin. Given that the Bastard of Loran curses your chalice ritual, it is HIGHLY plausible that said sin had to do with children.

Combine this with the Ring of Betrothal, which states that children were highly regulated by Great Ones, and we conclude that the Pthumerians pissed off some unknown Great One by having unauthorized kids, and were cursed with beasthood as punishment. Now, given that the MP seems to be in charge of Great One reproduction, since the others can only have kids when it says so, the MP is the most logical Great One to get butthurt at having bastards and cursing with Beasthood.

Not to mention that the MP is much more "bestial" in both visuals and grunts/cries than the other great ones, and uses blood (the carrier of the scourge) liberally in all of it's attacks.
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>>146020638
No, he merely states "oh Amygdala, oh Amygdala, have mercy on the poor bastard!" when the camera hovers over the lesser one, then when you talk to him through the door of the lecture hall he tells you to seek out "the divine."

He only refers to Amygdala as "Lord Amygdala" if you talk to him on the other side of the door after killing boss Amygdala first, speaking in disbelief that you killed his "god"
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>>146020638
The boss version is just called "Amygdala"
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>>146020632
You probably fought Ludwig on NG. Depth 4 enemies are about as strong as NG+ or +2 enemies before accounting for the 50% health. Also naked pthumerians do a lot of damage with certain attacks. Their slow, overhead swing, for example, deals shittons of damage.

Then there's stuff like instability or counter damage that will situationally result in you taking a lot of damage.
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>>146021216
Oh, fuck.

Well, time to start leveling past 98, methinks.
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>>146020787
You've convinced me, thanks
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>>146021216
Oh wait I have 40 vit fuck. Maybe I'm just bad.
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>>146021387
just don't confuse Beasthood with Blood-drunkenness. The former is a curse from the MP, the latter is a curse from Kos
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>>146020324
Use something faster like the LHB or Whirly one-handed. It will let you interrupt them and essentially stun lock them to death so you can avoid getting hit.

>>146020645
I cleared it with 30 vit. 50 vit is only really needed for PvP.
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I do think the ride stops at Watchdog of the Old Lords. Chalice Dungeons are just insane.
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>>146021585
Beasthood is not a curse, it's a natural event.
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>>146022073
just boop him on the nose

just btw, the REAL bloodborne starts at Defiled Amygdala
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>>146022073
Defiled chalice feels like an odd one out to me.
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>>146022147

Is he that much tougher than the other bosses so far?
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>>146022104
lol
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>>146022147
>People actually find defiled Amy harder than defiled Watchdog
I will never understand this, Amy's AI is so fucking easy to exploit
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>>146022428
So is Watchdog's, though.
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>>146022284
if you don't use ai cheese like this loser >>146022428
yes, he's the hardest boss in the game, chalices and all
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>>146022304
xD
No, it's true you moron.
People become beasts because it's the way their bodies react to the blood and vicinity of the moon, nobody cursed them.
The description of Beast Roar makes it clear, "The indescribable sound is broadcast with the caster's own vocal cords, which begs the question, what terrible things lurk deep within the frames of men?", beasthood is something that's innately part of men.
You should also check out the metamorphosis runes.
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>>146022567
>beasthood is something that's innately part of men
This, but it's drawn out by imbibing Great One blood. It only happens in Yharnam because the Church hands out Ebrietas blood as a cure-all.

>>146022498
Watchdog can still pull a charge out of nowhere and just fuck your whole attempt up if you don't dodge it perfectly. With Amygdala, once the cheese starts, it never stops.
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>>146022517
>Actually running up to Amy and hitting his arms or what ever
>Not just standing slightly out of range until he wiffs with one of his attacks that brings his head down, and in his last stage just baiting endless jumps
No wonder everyone fucking complains when they have no idea how to fight him.
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>>146022517
Its AI exploiting to understand mechanics and boss positioning?
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>146022567
>146022816
>beasthood is something that's innately part of men

it's like the tail bone, hidden deep inside us, a relic of our primeval ancestors.
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>>146022284
hes so fucking hard I spent all day trying to beat him, got him not long ago. Its all one shots I swear
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>>146022245
Honestly, I wish it were the first chalice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsijTye9LRA

Ahh, Kos
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Anyone wanna help with Hotdog in Defiled? I'm doing chip damage, to be charitable, but most his attacks don't hit me, save for the occasional charge
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>>146025708
or some say kosm...
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>>146025738
Nose bop him. Eventually his face armor breaks and you start doing massive damage to him.
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>>146025738
fug, pass is Gaston

Will be at gate
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>>146025853
ooooh, noted. Help still appreciated, can hardly get a hit in on him.
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>>146025871
I'll lend a hand, sure. Just let me boot up my console and I'll be right with ya.
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>>146026021
Use the Axe on a Str build or the Church pick on a Skl build for the easiest time. This vid should show you everything you need to win:

https://youtu.be/tXwxAgA7tak
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>>146025708
THE SKY AND THE COSMOS ARE ONE
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>>146026234
I am so terribly sorry for that. Didn't expect the charge move right off the bat.
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>>146026701
protip: cursed chalice bosses ALWAYS open the fight with the move that has the most range and will OHKO.
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>>146026234
Oh for fuck's sake why. I'm usually not this god-awful at seeing it coming.

>>146026862
Naw, he did the initial charge, then did another charge ten seconds later.
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this is why I splunk, this version of Yharnam's alter has a hunter emblem on it, never seen it before.

>>146026862
fuck the man eater boar's opening charge
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>>146023074
>>146022567
You've got it backwards.

Indulging in your urges to RIP AND TEAR puts you especially at-risk for falling to Beasthood, but it isn't a requirement. Gilbert and Vicar Amelia seemed perfectly lucid/non-blood drunk before they suddenly popped like balloons. Plus, everything about how the affliction of Old Yharnam is described makes it sound like people were falling to Beasthood almost at random, they contracted the Scourge (ashen blood) like an std. The idea that Beasthood can be thrust upon someone via an external source, like an infection, is also corroborated by the towns population falling in waves immediately upon the MP's descent, even when they were fine just moments before.

In addition, people who have gone blood-drunk but are still human (Henryk, Crowsteel, pre-transformation Gascan, etc.) are not counted as beasts by the game. Go on, break out the serrated weapons and beasthunter gems, and see for yourself. Losing your mind does not necessarily imply beasthood, or vice-versa. Ask the Suspicious Beggar for his opinion on the subject if you don't believe me. Or post-moonlight Ludwig.

TLDR indulging in RIP AND TEAR =/= succumbing to the Scourge. It just makes you much more likely to succumb at any given moment.
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>>146027030
Does she show up in roots?

Seems like all the Ihyl roots want to give me is BLB (followed on the next floor by HBLB) and hotdog + a shitboss like watchers.
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Did Father Gascoigne and Viola Gascoigne have a happy marriage, /bbg/?
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>>146027078
is there a hunter version of this meme?

>>146027183
nah it was Ebrietas, she doesn't show up
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>>146027208
Enough to make a man sick.
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>>146026234
Wew, that was kinda nutty to watch. High level, or is Beasthood that powerful?
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>>146027269
>is there a hunter version of this meme
There's at least 2, but I don't have either. They do exist tho
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>>146027208
Viola couldn't give Gas a son which is why he axed her
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>>146027208
At the start, yes
But as he went more crazy he likely started beating her and they had to use the music box to calm him down

I'd almost go as far as to say Viola left the music box behind intentionally knowing he had finally gone off the deep end and it wouldn't do any good
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>>146027279
If you consider 98 to be high level. I have really good gems, and beasthood tears up bosses if you can rack up enough meter.
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>>146027443
How do you rack up meter effectively? Whenever I try they either jump away or hit me after a few hits and the meter runs down before I can get another combo in.

Hell even stopping to recover stamina seems to kill the meter.
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>>146027275
I like hearing this. Not enough healthy committed relationships in vidya
>>146027405
Delete your post
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>>146027078
That has nothing to do with it, the point is that beasthood is a latent aspect present in every human since birth. It only starts showing its signs under certain circumstances, but it's not a "curse", it's just part of humanity.
Same goes for astral kinship.
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>>146027528
Beast's Embrace changes the moveset on the claw, makes it so that your hits build up more beasthood. Heavy attacks are usually what you use to get the bar really high though. A few R2s and your bar will already be like halfway full.
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>>146027405
>Viola left the music box behind intentionally knowing he had finally gone off the deep end and it wouldn't do any good
So why would she go out and look for him?
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>>146027585
>Not enough healthy committed relationships in vidya

Well he DID kill her, so that puts a bit of a damper on the whole thing.
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>>146027590
>Same goes for astral kinship.
Only happens when you have insight and/or eyes on the inside. That sure as fuck isn't natural
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>>146027585
I refuse

>>146027703
I dunno. Women are dumb?
Maybe she figured it was the last time she'd ever see him without fur, even if it meant she'd probably die
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>>146027859
Why didn't Viola just become a beast herself?
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>>146027742
>implying that you don't find him slaughtering the transformed Yharno that killed his wife, which pushed him over the edge on the spot
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>>146027854
Human brains can effectively acquire insight, arcane knowledge and be lined with eyes.
The ability to become kin is innately part of men.
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>>146028010
I like this idea a lot.
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>>146027984
She may have never taken blood
Her and Gascoigne, as far as I remember, were foreigners, and foreigners only came for blood if they were sick
Say they moved into town to treat whatever was wrong with Gascoigne. Viola would have had no reason to get ministered
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>>146027590
Famalamalam transforming into a werewolf is most certainly a curse, and it's because of angry Great Ones fucking with the Old Blood. I guarantee you that the Pthumerians were using Blood without beast-related problems for a long ass time, before Loran ruined everything
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Is rapid poison useful with the BoM against bosses, or is rapid poison just shit overall?
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Anyone wanna bully main game Ebby? Pass is Gascan, will be at fog
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>>146009482
On the floor?
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>>146021664
>50 vit for pvp

Wut? Genuinely curious.
arent there people running around with 30ish vit high end serious pvpers?
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>>146028307
sure im sick of fighting orphan. ill be there in a second
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>>146028102
>the human body can do [x] thing, which means that it's an inherent quality
Um, no, that's retarded. There's a thing called "technology" that exists solely to allow humans to do what they naturally can't. Everyone who pursued insight and eyes in BB were mad scientists and inventors/doctors for a reason.
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>>146028569
>Everyone who pursued insight and eyes in BB were mad scientists and inventors/doctors for a reason
Your character isn't and he can acquire insight and even become a great one.
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Holy shit I think I finally got gud at Loran Camerabeast.

feels good man
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>>146028164
Papa G was a foreigner. Show me where it says that his wife was, as well.
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>>146028253
>I guarantee you that the Pthumerians were using Blood without beast-related problems for a long ass time

[citation needed]

>>146028416
>high end serious pvpers

there is no such thing in this series...
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>>146027854
People theorize our pineal gland was a defective third eye.

Craaaaazy man
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>>146028652
Only after imbibing specially-distilled SCIENCE blood, and receiving magic powers directly from a Great One, at the games start
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>>146028653
>get under him
>steak dinner to the chin because his recovery time is retarded
>you have now poisebroken loran camerabeast, enjoy your free visceral/second steak dinner
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>>146028857
>Only after imbibing specially-distilled SCIENCE blood
Source? As far as I know the blood was found in a dungeon, and it has to do with beasthood, not kinship.
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>>146028532
Wanna try that again or naw? That's twice I've come close.
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>>146029021
yeah i went to change my runes real quick
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>>146028652
>Everyone who pursued insight and eyes in BB were mad scientists and inventors/doctors for a reason

Because they're nuts

Insight is the knowledge of the COSMOS and shit basically eats away at your SAN, which makes you more vulnerable to MADNESS, which is why it decreases your "frenzy" resistance

Only crazy people go out of their way to seek insight
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>>146028738
That's why I said "as far as I remember"
She may have been foreign, maybe not
But even then, not everyone native to Yharnam has to have taken blood anyway
If you subscribe to the theory that Viola was Henryk's daughter, a hunter would have plenty of reason to tell his family not to take blood
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>>146028857
Blood has nothing to do with ascension, Willem became kin and never consumed blood.
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>>146027269
Found it. Here you go Hunter.
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>bloodtinge gems

PLEASE tell me there's a better way than the bloodlickers.
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>>146029174
I know.
Only humans are innately capable of acquiring that knowledge and ascending.
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So I'm doing a SKL build run through on my new character and I got the BoM early by letting Eileen die to Henryk. Although my viscerals are doing great damage now, the BoM themselves are decidedly pretty average at my current 35 SKL at the Forbidden Woods. Does that get better after I get the 27% tempering gems, or is it always this average?
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>>146029328
Bloodlickers aren't even all that hard to kill if you've got a weapon with some reach. Tricked Ludwig's makes them pretty easy.
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>>146029430

It's the inspiration for Black Hand Gotthard's fighting style of ROLLSTABROLLSTABROLLSTAB

Always rollstab
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>>146029098
Bloody fuck those charge moves are impossible.

Gonna restock and retry. Wanna try once more in like, ten minutes, or no.
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>>146029328
Shotgun Watcher in the Isz chalice is how I get my 31.5% BLT gems.
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>>146028416
No
There's a few absolutely silly builds in the FC that run 30-ish vit that do really bad (they can only win maybe 1 in 30 fights if they get lucky).
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What determines Visceral damage? It's clearly not AR, but it's also not just SKL since visceraling with my ludwig's equipped does like a hundred damage less than visceraling with my stake driver
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>>146029551
Which Isz? The standard one or a specific glyph?
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>>146028770
The entirety of the Old Labyrinth is accessed by Blood magic, the Pthumerians traveled between different parts of their civilization by ritual blood - powered chalices. Unless you want to argue that the entirety of the Old Labyrinth was built after Loran fell (which would be dumb), the Pthumerians had a long history with the arcane power of Blood before beasts entered the equation.

Furthermore, the title Bloodletting Beast (aka host of the beast blood) implies that the original carriers of cursed blood were acting as living blood banks, like how the Healing Church set up their Blood Saints, which is how it spread throughout the city like in Old Yharnam (a comparison the game makes directly). Unless, of course, you want to claim that the Pthumerians purposefully drank and passed around the blood of people who had fallen to Beasthood because lmao let's all go full retard (which is dumb).
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>>146029668
I personally use y592byza, which is a FRC Isz chalice. The Watcher is super easy to get to in the first bonus area.
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>>146029836
Thanks I'll check it out. Does he have a high droprate or should I throw on some Eye runes?
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>>146029015
You get Yharnam blood transfusion at the start of the game, and all Blood Vials are also shots of Old Blood


Using the Blood as a research tool was the impetus of the Healing Church's creation, and the rift between Laurence and Willem. If Blood + 0 insight = beast, does Blood + 99 insight = kin?
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>>146029550
lemme know if you got her
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>>146030081
Beat it that time, da. Thanks for the assistance.
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>>146029942
It's not super high, but I didn't find the droprate too bad without any Eye runes. I don't know exactly how item discovery affects the quality of drops (quicksilver bullets vs ritual blood vs blood gems, for example), but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.
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>>146029270
Didn't Willem eat a cord? That's not only Blood, that's Paleblood + babby Great One stem cells
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>>146030135
>I don't know exactly how item discovery affects the quality of drops

It doesn't. It never has in any of the Souls games and anyone who says otherwise is lying or misinformed.
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Reminder for all you dummies saying the Healing Church passed around ebrietas blood

The CHOIR discovered ebrietas after the Healing Church was already a thing. They had blood before Ebrietas. ebrietas may have been a source, but that's all. A source, not THE source
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>>146030135

It increases drop chance, that's all

It increases the chance that something will drop at all, but the kill will still roll on the loot table with its internal percentages unaffected
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>>146029275
you're the best
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>>146030295
I always thought that she was just a teacher, not a blood bank
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>>146030414

>May have been a source

Personally, I tend to agree she was just a teacher, although one of her attacks is her vomiting a massive batch of red stuff from her face
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>>146029942
>High drop rate
If you're going for circles, yeah reasonably high. If you're going for offshapes, heh
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>>146030295
The choir was founded by the healing church.
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>>146030545

That's Frenzy blood, it's no good

Makes people go mad and then their heads explode
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>>146030549
Circles for now.

Offshapes... is there even another way to get them? I don't want to think about trying to get them this way.
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>>146029620
Pretty much this. 1/30 is a bit of an exaggeration but in saying that, anyone who has under 1k hp after blood bulleting tend to get bullied a lot more than those with over 1k
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>>146030414
This is correct
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>>146030640

Yes, I know

My point is the Healing Church was already possessed of blood before it founded the Choir, and thus before finding the Isz chalice and so Ebrietas
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>>146030710
This is honestly the best way for offshapes too. Other than this, it's farming blooclickers for them.
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>>146028416
>low vit builds
lel
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>>146030640
Yeah, but after. The living failures are the culmination of the Church's pre-Ebrietas efforts
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>>146030919
Well then I think my plans for +94.5% Bloodletter are gonna take a back seat for a very long time.
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>>146029430
How does a 5k combo on Gehrman sound with 27.2 gems/50 skl? Might not be for you then :^)
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>>146030919
So on the topic of these gems, I imagine Abyssal Bloodtinge gems exist somewhere, but never hear anyone talk about them so they must not be worthwhile?
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>>146020787
>Browsing /bbg/
>Scanning for lore discussions out of a combination of genuine interest and and morbid curiosity because of how bad /bbg/ lore discussions can be
>find somebody who knows his shit quite well showing somebody else the ropes
>the other person accepts the teachings

Kosm bless you anon. Continue doing the good work.
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>>146031401
They don't. Abyssals come about from layer 3/4 bosses. Watchers cannot be a boss in either of those. Even then the drop rate would be such a pain not even a man whose entire ancestry was a culmination of incestuous Korean miners would bear it.
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Guys talk me into not quiting my Bloodtinge build. I feel I'm do shite for dmg and no OP gems. I can get Op gems cause my dmg sucks even at BL 43 and 10+ Chickage
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>>146032142
Just look at the Bloodletter moveset and you'll forget the pain.
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>>146032142
you can do it young thug
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>>146031130
In my farming for a good 31.5% for my Lost Chikage, I did get 1 offshape, which was a 31.5% waning gem. A good one too. Too bad I already fully upgraded my normal Bloodletter and I can't be assed to get more chunks from the chalices or NG+. Unless someone wants to do a coop NG+ palythrough with my scrub ass
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>>146031931
I see. Thanks for the info.
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>>146032237

Why don't you just farm the chunks off the woofs
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>>146031165
But my real question is how much per hit.
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>>146032409
BoM will never have high damage on its normal R1s
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>>146032361
The what? I don't know your fancy in-crowd jargon
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Bowblade is incredibly homosexual, regardless of stats/damage/viability.

Discuss.
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>>146032542
So it's shit in PvP then? the "rollstab" is super telegraphed, and if the individual R1s are weak, then what's the point? Unless there's a guaranteed multihit combo?
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>>146032580
It's a bloodtinge weapon, I thought that much was implied.
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>>146032704
>get shot in dark souls with guns
>complain about people using guns
>they're easy to dodge anyways
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>>146028416
No. Having 30 vit will get you one hit killed.
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>>146032686
It's fine in pvp because dash spam is viable.

There aren't many guaranteed combos in this game.
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>>146032686
The roll stab is ridiculously viable
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>>146032686

The rollstab is super good
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OH LOOK IT'S A WORST BOSS IN THE GAME EPISODE
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>only took ~20 shotgun watcher kills for a 31.5 dur down gem
>only need one for this character

thank god I didn't want to waste a lot of time on something so minor.
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>>146032847
I never complained about people using guns, anon. They are easy to dodge, I kill bloodtinge kiddies all the time.

It's still for faggots.
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>>146033056
>put it on gun
>literally one AR more than my previous gem

Totally worth it.
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>>146029174
Insight is basically knowledge. Essentially, being more intelligent makes you frenzy easier because you know enough to know how fucked you are.

>>146033054
That's not even the double scythe one.
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>>146032208
>>146032217
Is it better to have my blood dmg gems on? If it seems they have lower AR or a cursed with high dmg
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>>146029620
>(they can only win maybe 1 in 30 fights if they get lucky)

I know you're exaggerating, but 30 vit isn't nearly this bad. 30 vit is bad from a min-max perspective because there's basically no use of 20 stat points that's better than going from 30 to 50 vit. Like, it's just a mathematical mistake to go 30 vit unless you're really low BL. But 30 vit isn't going to make every fight a 10:90 or worse matchup. Like if you put a 50/25 scaling with 50 vit up against a 50/45 with 30, all other stats and equipment being equal, it'd maybe be a 35:65 or even 40:60. (I.E. between two equally skilled players, I'd expect the 50 vit player to win 60 to 65% of the time.)

Like, you can pull off wins with a 30 vit build reliably. It's just that you're always going to do better with the same build, but with 20 points taken out of scaling stats and put into vit (unless you're BL 43 or something).
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>>146033319
The ar will be higher on the tricked form even though your stat screen will show a lower ar because for some reason it sticks with the phys ar instead of the higher ar, for pre-chalice gems you'll probably just want to stick to mensis +phys and put the bloodtinge droplet into your gun
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>>146033236
>Insight is basically knowledge.

No. Insight is explicitly stated to be Eldritch Knowledge, not just any old knowledge. The frenzy comes from humans' minds being unable to handle such information.
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>>146033484
Okay, but going by your picture here it seems I should use bloodgems.

What % do Bloodlickers drop?
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>>146033408
30 vit is pretty bad, especially once you get to builds like 50/25 and 50/40, 1/30 is an exaggeration but really a closer estimation is 1/10 at best
the few people I fight who have 30 vit lose more than 9/10 times but we're assuming everyone is equally skilled in the hypothetical so it's not quite the same
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>>146033484

>117

opinion discarded

go back to /dsg/
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Can I get a hand with the Undead Giant in Lower Pthuerian?

Password will be Doll
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>>146033754
>not playing at all metas
it's 2016
>>146033725
I don't farm bloodlickers because spawning them is a chore, y592byza is ez as heck and it takes like maybe 30 seconds per run max even at 43
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>>146033893
Sure, give me a few minutes to set up and I'll srrc in
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>>146033910
>playing at any meta
it's 2016
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>>146033630
Eldritch just means weird or spooky.

When you learn about a monster that is going to wipe out humanity you want more "insight" in how to fight it. The problem is the more knowledgeable you become about it the more insignificant and powerless you realize humanity really is, and it just starts to blow your mind.
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>>146033910
That's an FRC I assume, Isz?
I haven't gotten far in the Chalices cause I feel I'm doing poo poo dmg

>>146033951
Take your time.
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I feel ashamed for asking this, but can I get some help with ng+ Micolash? He keeps OHKO me.

Pass is bbg by fog wall.
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>>146034148
I'm ringing now, but
>srrc
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>>146034161
I wish I could help, but don't feel ashamed that nerd gets tough on NG+
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>>146034098
In this moment I am euphoric, not because of some false meta but because I am enlightened by no arbitrary build constraints but my own
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>>146034148
Honestly, I did the 43 chikage twink build, mensis/hamlet gems are the best you'll get, farming for off-shapes before frc depth 5 is a waste of your time
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Short and sweet thanks a lot anon!
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>>146034161
Be right there
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>>146034161
I'll be with you as soon as I can, but I'm a little in the middle of something now. Shouldn't be more than ten minutes or so. Don't wait for me though, if you get help from someone else, go for it.
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>>146034124
Whatever dude. Prove us all wrong by posting videos of people getting frenzied and having their heads physically explode from learning Algebra and shit
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>>146034429
Nws
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>>146034124
Insight isn't learning "oh shit there's a big tentacle monster that's gonna fuck me up" or Total Perspective Vortex-style "shit I'm not even a speck".

Try picturing an object in five-dimensional space in your mind and move it around in that space. You'll probably find this puzzling to think about, since it's not really something a human can do. Multiply this feeling by several thousand. That's Insight.
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>>146034428
I can't farm those fuckers with this damn thing. (the Chikage)
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>>146034606
You can do it if you imaginize it, seriously just get your frenzy resist at the level where the frenzy goes off during the visceral animation and parry them to death
or level up and don't play a twink if you suck too much to make one
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>>146034606
Get the Bloodletter.

Honestly Str/Blt (28/50 for that badass gatling gun) is the only way to do Blt without being a candy ass little fairy faggot.
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>>146034574

Actually it's all those things

Especially if we're going by Lovecraft style "Insight", disturbing knowledge also comes from

>meeting non-whites
>bad places, like churches that have had shit rubbed all over them
>seeing gross things
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fuck he got me, i'll ring again.
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>>146034726
t. overcompensating in the closet homo
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>>146034804
No rush, ringing
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wew, the range on augur
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>>146034849
you are reply number 666 not that it matters in the slightest
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>Watchers FINALLY drop a tempering instead of some shit nobody cares about
>go to inventory expecting ATK DOWN
>It's actually a 27.2 kin down
>have to re-check 3 times to believe it.
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>>146034849
omw back
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>>146034574
They aren't different. It's basically like learning what Cthulhu is, they finding out you can hurt it, it is fucking up humanity without even noticing, then finding out it is tame in comparison to the other shit out there.

Insight is strange knowledge, and frenzy is the absolute despair that comes with it.
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Are the Vilebloods actual Pthumerians, or just wannabes?
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>Get around to reading Lovecraft
>Get to his story "The Temple"
>All that build up with the lost city and the lights in the temple
>Story ends with "Imma go explore that temple and potentially die, cya Rhineland bitches"
What was in the fucking temple! Damn you and your vague ending Howard!
Miyazaki and Lovecraft is a match made in heaven
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>>146035071
...or does it?
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>>146035101
>frenzy is absolute despair
You realize tha frenzy is not a made up term right?
You can't just reinvent its meaning.
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>>146035248
He's autistic, reinventing meanings of words is pretty much what they're best at.
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>>146035101
Nigga, have you ever actually read Lovecraft?
Eldritch knowledge isn't just "oh shit, everything is fucked, I'm sad now."
It's knowledge so beyond feeble human capability that your brain basically fucking melts because it can't handle it, it's like trying to get get windows 95's to run a game at 10,000p at 700fps.
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>>146035538
>It's knowledge so beyond feeble human capability

Or finding out that those dudes are fucking fishpeople
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Still doing Micolash, ringing in a bit but he's a pain...

Anyone else down to help?
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>>146035248
>A state or period of uncontrolled excitement or wild behaviour

Sounds exactly like what I was just saying.

>learn they are fucked
>fall into despair
>panic as a result
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>>146035674
Except for the despair part.
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>>146035538
Hell I've never even read any Lovecraft and it's so fucking blatantly obvious this is what Insight represents, and not "I'm scared of hentai monsters!"
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Why does the MP hate Mergo so much?

Why did it decide to contract the Hunters as 3rd party assassins to kill Mergo for it, instead of descending on him in the Nightmare and doing the job itself?
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>>146035246
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>>146035643
>>146034459
Okay, took longer than I thought but I'm with ya now. On my way to the fogwall.
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>>146035157

They are no doubt descended directly from Pthumerian nobility.
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>>146035794
>Hell I've never even read any Lovecraft

That's pretty obvious, because in Lovecraft, finding out that hentai monsters and the cultists who worship them exist is enough to start madness going. This 5-D knowledge nonsense is a fairly recent development.

There's varying degrees of maddening bullshit, but things like the colour from outer space are just as maddening as the Innsmouth incestbabbies.
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>>146035794
>>146035538
I've read most of Lovecraft's works, actually.

See: >>146034803
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>>146036181

Don't you dare agree with me you mealy mouthed scumsucker
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>>146035643
I'm so sorry about that.

I'll be ringing again, in case you need it.
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>>146036181
>See: >>146034803

Was expecting you to link to some retarded webm of somebody who is certainly not you playing the game, as usual.
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When was the last time you saw a Child of Rom in an FRC?
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Chalice dungeons are fucking terrible, and is a total waste of resources that would've been better spent making the main base game much better.
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>>146036181
>he flat-out admits to taking off his trip to pretend to be multiple people
Epic, simply epic
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>>146036328
Everytime was the boss.

>>146036382
You're an idiot.
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>>146036328
Prepare your anus anon.

do you have a pass set on that bell? I want in on this.
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>>146036328
In any chalice where Rom is the boss on that layer
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>>146036382
I think hes already posted as lucifer and god-king lucufer separatley so it wouldnt suprise me
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>>146036434
*everytime Rom was the boss.
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>>146036350
"Story" dungeons are boring, Root dungeons are great, I spend most of the time here.
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>>146036350
Sounds like someone just entered level-100-babby's first Pthumeru Chalice.
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>>146036443
>>146036434
>>146036446
oh fuck

pass is bbgrom
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>>146004846
What is a rfc duengon?

I just finished my first playthrough and want even more fun.
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>>146036663

Dungeons that have been infected with bone bits, wrists, and dead babies
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>>146036609
I've got something else going on atm but if you're still at it, I'll join eventually
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>>146036663
You make a Depth 5 Root dungeon with Rotted, Fetid, and Cursed rites.

Then you go get your shit kicked in.
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>>146036609
Ringing at SRRC; hopefully it's an Open chalice.
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>>146036737
>>146036721
Nice.
I just hit level 55 and unlocked a depth 4 duengon.
I'm not even sure how c'ds work yet, but when I get there I will have to try it.
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>>146036737
>Witch of Hemwick rooms
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It's fucking crawling with them, lotta Great One's wisdoms too

>>146036847
it is
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>>146037015
>open door
>15 red spiders
>dash through to chime cunt
>kill her
>none of the spiders around you disappear
>see other bellbitch down the stairs as you get 40 spider legs shoved into your urethra
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>Jump down to Meme Man
>Instant ACB
wew
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>>146037060
this is Hintertomb, right?
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>>146037125
I was major kek then. Ringing again.
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>>146037179
no, frc ihyll
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>>146037125
>when the level of your Arcane stat is straight out of Disgaea
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Damn what got you? I was completely lost in there.

I'll swap my rune before I ring again.
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>>146037546
an absolute madman, layer is fucking huge
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That fucking back and forth at the end. But we got him.

Thx for the help guys.
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>>146037546
>>146037587
Room for one more?
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>>146037636
sure, pass is bbgrom
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what chalices are best for frc?
also is it acceptable to just do fr, I hated deflied chalices curse
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>>146037629
Nws, Meme Man just got banned
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>>146037587
Why must the swamp room always have the worst things possible in it?

Ringing.
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>>146037719
Ihyll, Lower Loran, and Isz. In that order, and if you're going to FR you might as well C, it isn't worth it otherwise.
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>>146037702
ringing
>>
Shit, let me know how you guys go

You made the Loran and Isz FC chalices, Hau
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>>146038962
It went JUST
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>>146038962
>>146039056

RE RINGING

I did
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>>146039056
>>146039072
wew, ringing
>srrc
>>
The loch shield really help against Rom, Seraphina?
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>>146039341
No. I just wear it for luck or something...
>>
Just bought dis game.

When do I get shield?
>>
wew

damn tryhard spiders not even stopping at 98
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>>146039551
>NEVER EVER
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>>146039551
Cathedral Ward, after the first or second boss.

It's really good.
>>
Rom Spiders can't melt bolted reiter
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>>146039602
We got him

no forth layer sadly, thank ya both for the assist
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>>146039749
Nws, was good being lost somewhere in the layer before meeting anyone
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>>146039709
It's good, all right.

Good for nothing.
>>
>>146039749
>sadly
At this rate it would probably be Moon Presence with x30 HP and red spiders.

Which would be pretty damn awesome.
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>>146039747
They also drop madman's knowlege which is fucking lore

This gem worth anything?
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>>146039939
Doesn't look too special. Use it if it gives a better AR than anything you have equipped otherwise toss it in the box.
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>>146039939
It's OK if you're using HMLS or something else you wanna gem Nourishing. 19.5% with +15 flat is better, though.
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>>146039939
It goes alright for HMS

Gargoyles drop 19.3% at its highest, Rom drops 19.5% Amy gets farmed for the triangle which is about 21%
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you may think it all a mere BAD DREAM
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Whats the upward/down range for invasions? The calculator I found just shows summons.
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>>146041825
https://mpql.net/tools/bloodborne/
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>>146041934
Thanks
>>
anyone want to engage in some co-operative hunts with their fellows?
in NG++
beginning at old yharnam.
>>
>>146042584
Sure, why not. Set a pass and I'll be there.
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>>146042803
alright, pass is bbg, working my way from the chapel to the lamp down there right now.
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>>146042584
>>146042939
I'll be there as well
>>
NG+ down and Moon Presence is slain. I feel pretty damn accomplished, but now we NG++ boys.
>>
It turns out both of my weapons are at risk now, so I'm going to return to the lamp.
Shall we resume from the start?
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>>146043656
Sure thing. Let's wait for >>146043056 as well, more hunters is always more fun.
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>>146021585
Beasthood (as in actually transforming into one) being something of a curse is something I can see, but blood-drunkenness is definitely not a curse. The consequences of becoming blood drunk, however, are.
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>>146043056
>>146043750
oh, my bad! I didn't see that post.
>>
wew I goofed that one up hard
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You're all cute! Yay for /bbg/
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>>146044914
:D
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can anyone help a severely underleveled character get the Holy Moonlight Greatsword? ggnore is the pass at nightmare church lamp.
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>>146045062
NEW THREAD
>>146045062
GET YOUR NEW THREAD HERE
>>146045062
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>>146044914
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