/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Hallowed be thy name.

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My horse evolved into an unruly horse and it seems like I've lost speed because of it. Can anyone confirm/deny this for me?

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3rd for dragons are a shit race.

>>145825856
You may have lost speed because of insufficient riding skill? I don't know how riding works in Poschengband at all.

>>145825856
In PCB monsters have their speed slightly randomized when they're generated (up to I think -3 or +3 from the normal value).

You just got shitty lucky and your new horse was generated with -1 speed.

>>145826054
Fucking gay.

PosChengband? More like PozChengband.

Cause the game is AIDS.

>>145826130
horse-on-horse might be gay but horse-on-woman is actually less gay than man-on-woman

:^)

>>145826278
>anything being more straight than straight sex

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What could go wrong?

The Tarrasque is evidently another monster capable of killing a solar.

>>145827004
That HP is actually looking pretty good now.
Also nice capped unhasted speed.

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>>145827004
Can you control gods? Also nice current mount that fucker has killed me before from the rocket spam.

>>145827226
No (but you can summon them with summon monsters, for a short amount of time anyway).

I looked it up once. It's p, h, t, A, L, V and nazgul I think.

We managed to kill artemis, though I had to let my mount kick her to near death and finish her with a magic missile since all my devices and mana were empty.

>>145827004
how much of that speed is from Echizen and how much is from eating eight thousand speed rings

>>145827918
My speed bonus is +29, but you only get a percentage of that when riding. It's almost all him.

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Why haven't they done something about gargoyle, just too powerful

>>145828126
And since I lost control of him already, my unmounted speed is +34.

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Lost my first horse to a death sword but was able to grab another unruly horse, this one without a speed malus. To be continued tomorrow.

>>145828229
>AC: 58

well meme'd my friend

>>145828313
had armour of the dragon king, didn't max armour because there was no reason to

>>145828229
Have you won a Cheiite of every race or every role?

>>145828229
>XL 27
>171 MHP

Gargoyle doesn't even make the top 5 strongest races in Crawl anon.

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I only use repel missiles and blink spell but this hat gives me better spell chance. Should i train some int or keep it as it is now?

>>145829061
>implying HP is what determines the strength of a race
nigga pls

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>>145829061

>>145829270
>implying that rLCS doesn't impact the necessary care taken when playing different races
You can do better anon

>>145829248
Don't raise int.
You should only wear this hat if you need rPois for a Lair branch. And for fire monsters if you haven't found any other source of rF like a ring.
-3 AC is bad.

>>145829492
Are you bad at the game or something? because it sounds like you are. I recommend gittinggud

>>145829575
Should clarify that if you have any other source of rPois, don't use the hat.
It's a bad hat against every monster that doesn't do poison or fire damage, and it's a bad hat if you have rPois or rF from somewhere else.

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Has anyone used it before? Is it too suicidal?

>>145829818
well you get rF++ from it so you won't take much damage

I'd use it just for the fun factor.

>>145829818
It's fun and in trunk it makes you immune to your own clouds.

>>145829492
LCS is not a very scary monster spell. Iron shot is much worse.

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>>145829962
Well damn, I'm going to acquire money for the first time ever. This thing costs 2k, the orange plate armour costs 2.3k and I already bought a pair of randart rings for about 1.6k gold. This is a very jewish run and Ash isn't going to pay for it.

>>145830008
>LCS is not a very scary monster spell
Your new is showing

Maybe do something about that

Yo, quick Crawl question: If I'm an endgame worthy mummy, can I just wait forever and kill the monsters that spawn for free exp, or does the game have some way of detecting this?

I figure I can kill pretty much any single spawn.

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pretty good minotaur drop

too bad rings DONT HAVE HANDS

>>145830636
time eventually runs out, i dont know why youd want to do that anyway

>>145830363
I am more scared of a spell which is likely to actually deal damage to me then a spell which has a much lower chance of potentially dealing ~33% more damage to me.

LCS is pretty shit as both a player and monster spell.

Smitefire, Paralyze, Iron Shot, Torment are all much much worse.

>>145830636
Why don't you just enter a ziggurat to test your character's power?

>>145830363
I think he was talking about iron shot having longer range and it being easier to stay out of range of LCS, but that's really iffy reasoning.

>>145830636
You should do Pandemonium if you want to grind, assuming you can get the 4 pan runes without leaving their levels. If Pan is too easy you can do Zigs but I don't know why you'd want to do that.

You could wait forever on normal dungeon levels and the game will spawn increasingly dangerous monsters and then stop spawning entirely. But this is boring and stupid.

>>145830793
LCS is more accurate than iron shot.

>>145828790
Maybe I should

>>145829061
I had frailty and not 27 fighting

Oh right, mana storm destroys everything ever so maybe the black reaver isn't as good as it looks. He has a lot of pointless spells, too, though I'm not sure what casts intelligently does for that.

You can walk through walls while riding one which is pretty cool though.

>>145830793
And there was a time when LCS was the most dangerous damage dealing monster spell you could face, thus using LCS as a shorthand for 'high incoming magical damage that has a chance of flatly assguttering you' is a fairly straightforward way to state things to someone who's played anything older than nucrawl

But this has stopped being fun, so peace

>>145830784
That's at 20 million turns, right? I don't think I'll grind for that long.

>>145830862
Too dangerous.

>>145830898
>You could wait forever on normal dungeon levels and the game will spawn increasingly dangerous monsters and then stop spawning entirely. But this is boring and stupid.

Sounds right up my alley. The "stop spawn" threshold is per floor, right?

>>145830898
>LCS is more accurate than iron shot.
Are you sure?
I have only been hit by it two or three times that I can remember, while I get hit by iron shot all the time. Maybe the spell frequencies on Iron Shot casters are just higher?

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So how is a mage late game in PCB? I'm thinking of finally trying one out. Do they have to grind like for *healing* like hitdudes? Or do they just get one-shot by everything? How are you supposed to survive lategame? Can I just go full spells and not train melee at all?

>>145831394
Mages are kind of bad, though Armageddon/Sorcery can be fun. Try a high mage first.

>>145831394
if you have heal spells then you get to grind for !mana instead

>>145825603

Can anyone recommend a roguelike with good immersion/story? I know that's not the focus of most roguelikes. I've been playing DCSS and the lack of any story other than "get orb take it back to surface" is kind of annoying.

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>>145831523
Which realm? Armageddon right? I want to kill shit with manastorms and psycho-spears. Or is it just nature for everything because nature op?

>>145831157
It's per floor. I think it stops after 10k turns?

>>145831215
Yes it's more accurate, by 3 more accuracy.

>>145831802
Tales of MajEyal

>>145831826
Mana storm is chaos. Neither one has really any utility whatsoever so pick whichever sounds cooler.

You can't really melee things that matter as a mage unless you're doing some weird build you've focused your entire character around.

>>145831802
Elona Custom has the plot finally translated for us gaijins.

>>145831826
No no. A pure nature caster is bad.
Nature is a support school (though its fourth book isn't, but Nature 4 is bad)
I recommend either Chaos or Armageddon.

Daemon is also doable, but has a huge gap between good spells early on.

You can see the spells for a bunch of the schools here: http://nikheizen.github.io/pages/spellbooks.html
The page is currently unfinished though.

>>145832016

Elona looks like a clusterfuck of random weeb shit. Could anyone explain to me it's appeal? Not a rhetorical question I'm honestly curious about the game.

>>145831826
nature is OP as a sort of support school for hybrid dudes like monks
it doesn't actually have many/any good damage spells so it's poor as your only school

maybe nature+armageddon on a mage would be nice? but high mages only get one school so don't bother

>>145831802
nothing is gonna have a hugely engrossing story because you're repeating it from the beginning every time you die

>>145831802
Sil.

I don't really get the advice to pick High Mage over normal mage. Sure you get lower mana costs on your spells but you have to pick a damage school and then you're losing out on strong utility shit like dimension door or clairvoyance. Just dimension door by itself is good enough to be worth it, especially if you're a human so you can take astral guide.

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>>145831978
>>145832137
>>145832350
Okay, so how am I supposed to kill serpent? Manastorm spam?

>>145832201
The non-story enemies and items are, honestly, pretty random. A lot like PCB in that sense (you're gonna run into Big Daddies, for instance.) The main plot itself is pretty solid and non-random though.
The main appeal of the game is "you can do anything," for lack of a better explanation. Decorate your house, make a living selling cooked crops, be a golem protitute, mod your waifu into the game and turn her into a disgusting god-slaying powerhouse, marry a horse, you get the idea.

>>145832583
Did you pick Armageddon? You have Breathe Mana, not Manastorm. But the serpent doesn't resist shards so you'll probably use the slightly-higher-damage Breathe Shards instead for 500 damage a pop.

>>145832583
What did you pick? If Chaos, yes, you just manastorm it until it dies. It takes 60 casts before regen, so make sure to stock up on !Restore Mana, staves of Restore Mana, and rods of Great Clarity.

>>145832583
That and offensive devices, since you have one of the highest device skills in the game.

>>145832998
Nah I picked Chaos.

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>>145833001
>>145833102
Thanks guys, really helpful. I love /rlg/.
BEST AND COMFIEST GENERAL RIGHT HERE FOLKS

>>145832569
Isn't astral guide shit though? Just carry scrolls.

>>145832569
Have you played a mage?
Running out of mana constantly is not fun.
Even with a primary damage school you still run out of mana in fights against low level uniques constantly.

>>145833531
astral guide makes dimension door cost only 1 turn instead of 1.3 or whatever

being able to 0% fail teleport to exactly the tile you want is really useful

>>145834624
I don't think many characters can cast dimension door at 0% fail.

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>>145829575
Yeah. I didn't notiice the "-3". I already have rF ,rPois and blink. I'll just drop it.

It turns out ring monsters can't learn the 'plasma bolt' spell. Fuck.

>>145834965
Fair enough.

Psions can, I just assumed mages could too.

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It was worth trudging through all of Robin Hood's traps for this.

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>>145835539
As it's been stated, mages are kind of shitty.

This is a Shrewd Demigod Athena Mage of Armageddon/Sorcery who took Arcane Mastery as a feat. That's 3 Easy Spell bonuses right there.
With a 4th easy spell bonus from the Charmed Pendant, the fail rate is 0.

Another little bit: the fail rate on Breathe Shards is 24%(12% with the Charmed Pendant) and costs 51/457 mana (capped INT, no DecMana or SP pool increases).

>>145837062
>cropping

>>145837179
I guess the fail rate is lower when it's your primary school at least? I thought the general strat was to have the school with escape/emergency spells as your primary school for the lower failrates.
I don't know how severely that shits on your secondary school though

I absolutely cannot get Lab start to work on the current CDDA experimental. Even at total base defaults for city gen, I can hold Shift+Y all night and it won't spawn a start.

Is there an earlier build that it does work on that still has the majority of the new features?

>>145838009
They just pushed a new build that fixed it 25 minutes ago

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Dear /rlg/

fuck this place and fuck ancient liches

Why the fuck does waterstrike exist

>>145838162

Amazing.

>>145837773
It's pretty bad. Obviously Dimension door is 0%, but having this bad fail rates on your damage spells with pretty much the max amount of easy spell you can get is not worth it imho.

Though I guess as a Mage you might want to rely more on -Rockets et al.
Still, sounds pretty shitty compared to an XL50 High Mage.

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>>145838485
Forgot image.
With one more easy spell bonus the fail rate would go down to 0%, and 2 is not as hard to get or sacrificing as much as 4.

>>145838723
Breathe Shards fail rate would go down to 0% for the high mage*

>>145838293
10/10
And surprisingly I haven't seen ancient liches in the vaults in a while

>>145828229
hi tittycrusher

>>145825603

>tfw there is no roguelike where you can play as a nazi exploring ancient castles to search for artifacts on the behalf of Himmler
>tfw no roguelikes where you can use Hitler aryan magic

>>145839279

Yet to be programmed, anon!

Would anyone be interested in a series of Brogue videos where a decent player goes over replays of their games and points out mistakes and reasons why they made certain decisions?

>>145841840

Sure. What do you have to lose but a little time?

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Casters in PCB are really fun, a lot more than melee, glad I checked them out. Bolts are great for clearing lots of enemies in hallways.

>>145842242
What realm are you playing?

>>145842371
Chaos. Just learned chaos bolt a little bit ago but I'm a little worried it might poly an enemy or something and completely heal any damage the actual bolt does. I used it on Meng and obviously uniques can't be poly'd so it just confused him which was really useful. Chaos damage does have a chance to poly right?

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>>145842494
Oh yeah it can poly. Now that's what I call shit.

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>Lair is now 6 floors

WHAT TOOK YOU SO LOOOOONG

>>145842494
>>145842758
Yeah. But you should really be using Mana Burst for pretty much everything.
It doesn't destroy loot and has amazing mana efficiency when mastered.
Use Doom Bolt for uniques.

>>145842887
I have been using Mana Burst for everything, though I sometimes use fire bolt or fist of force.

>>145843330
Yup. Sounds about right.

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>>145843342
Uh, what's that supposed to mean?

>>145843330
Remember that first of force is actually a single-tile ball of disintegration. So it'll destroy any sweet loot that your victim is standing on.

>>145843657
You can't destroy artifacts right? I got shit from meng and I'm afraid I may have faulted.

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>>145843462
It means that that was my experience playing a high mage of Chaos as well.
Don't think too hard man, you might hurt yourself.

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>>145843750
Yeah whatever.

>>145842772
ANCIENT CHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

>>145843868
>tfw no tails got trolled roguleike

>tfw you want to win in 10k turns but you're not as good as sapher or jj

>>145844697
Play Sil.

>>145844767
>tfw you want to win in 10k turns but you're not as good as Psi or Wildkhaine

I wish there was a midgame guaranteed fixedart somewhere in Crawl. I want more fixedarts.

>>145844697
I think sapher has a video of his best run. You can see just how fucking risky he plays. Stuff like berserking to kill an orb of fire and the berserk literally ending on the last swing to kill it. Insane luck.

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I FIND THRANDUIL SO EARLY
MEME

>>145844996
There are good rolls involved in any of those runs, sure, but it's not mere luck either.

Turncount runs require very precise and smart play, if you just try to go full throttle until you die you'll get nowhere.

>>145845138
Don't get me wrong, he is obviously skilled. Its just everything he does is balanced on a knife edge, and it would only take 1 thing to go wrong for his run to end. Also, its a pretty funny video. You can hear him smashing the fuck out of his tab key.

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Chaos bolt confusion spam is priceless.

>>145845286
Have a link? Youtube's giving unrelated results.

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Of course I find this when I'm playing a mage.

>>145845442
Give me a minute. The video came out during the tourney and I have no idea how or where I got the link.

>>145845442
>>145845593
Oh man, I'm dumb. It wasn't a sapher run, it was Demise's. The sapher run I was thinking of was that speedrun overview on reddit. Still, its a pretty good video even if he is doing the wrong kind of go fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW8734SEN9Y&feature=youtu.be

>>145845719
>people talking about turncount speedruns
>posts a realtime speedrun
Disgusting.

>>145845719
>The sapher run I was thinking of was that speedrun overview on reddit
I managed to find an imgur album through the learndb, is that the one you meant?

http://imgur.com/a/Jsa8b

Tavern and learndb and youtube searches aren't turning up anything as far as videos, it looks like he might not record them.

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High Elf protips please?

>>145845914
Yeah, thats the one. I'm sure you can watch them through ttyrec's though, assuming you can find them.

>>145845885
My apologies. I really did get them mixed up and didn't realize until I started looking for the video. I just woke up an hour or so ago and haven't had any coffee.

>>145846058
Play a human.

>>145846058
Use their aptitudes to become a deathmachine.

HE are pretty good when you play to their strengths.

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I'm surprised he doesn't shout ARRRGHHH like the others.

>>145846138
>Use their aptitudes to become a deathmachine.
>__ are pretty good when you play to their strengths.
Yea

>>145846153
Monsters only do that when they have the speaking flag.

>>145846385
>Mu are pretty good when you play to their strengths

Hmm

>>145846483
well, they are

>>145846483
>Hungerless casting
>Scumming floors for maximum EXP
Mummy is literally the only race that can complete the MuMo challenge (if there was no race restriction) due to the fact that they can heal to full before every battle and they can even scum floors for more exp that they might be lacking

>>145846618
can we try to set the funposting standards a little higher pls

>>145845090
Seems about par for the course if you're lucky.

>>145846747
Go ahead and do a MiMo or TrMo challenge
I dare you

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>>145846953
Okay, I'll give it a try.

>>145847317
Yea I might actually try it too because it might be a less tedious challenge

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Mummy stronk.

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>>145847317
let's dance

Grinder should be renamed to Grindette.

>>145847765
I hardly know her

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>>145847725
Mino stronk-er.

Wait are potions allowed for non-Mummy MuMo? Because that would change things a lot

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>>145847901
I would assume so. The scripture never forbids them.

And anon's challenge never mentioned them.

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Fault

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>>145848109
Same.
I'll give it another try tomorrow, but it seems like it's way easier to do it as a race with actually good apts.

>>145844472
The Abyss is bad enough without being the entire game.

M I S S

>>145848270
>Mummy kills the heretic
IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES

>>145847901
>>145848072
this is like that tavern thread all over again

but as long as you're having fun

>>145848683
which thread
did anyone ever win a non-Mummy MuMo

>>145848727
I don't think anyone would really care that much, desu. A lot of the challenge comes from being a mummy.

>>145848778
Is that a no? So no one has won non-Mummy MuMo and three people have won MuMo

>>145848727
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=272135#p272135
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=272230#p272230

>>145848846
You realize that the idea of the challenge came from here, right?

>>145848897
He obviously knows. When those threads were posted before, they were the subject of ridicule.

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Might take subtle caster since the pastebin tells me it's critical for me. I usually take cop on my melee characters so I'm sort of in the dark about this one.

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Ayyyy that poison tho

>>145849315
Subtle Casting is really, really good for casters.

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>>145849504

>>145849504
you were quaff IDing weren't you

>>145849315

Take Subtle Casting.

>>145849574
Yea. I had curing identified though

>>145849570
God damn it pepe

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>>145849546
>>145849630
Took it, sounds pretty great.

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>>145849712
What do you know, no darkness breath.

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Oh hi there! The Amy is of course not nearly good enough for a 14-conduct ascension, because she's a harlot :D, but she'll give it her best shot!

>driving my killmobile down the road between towns
>spot a turkey in the field off the side of the road
>it's time for some post-apocalyptic hunting
>chase that fucker down and bump into him repeatedly at like 30 mph
>there's a snake in the way, he's getting bumped too
>snake dies, finish bumping the turkey to death and he explodes into giblets
>there's like 4 chunks of meat from him exploding
>there's also still a corpse, which gives me like 4 more meat
Shit son, I'm eatin' good tonight.

>>145828229
>random roll GrSk
>two steps into D:1 encounter a spear gnoll
>die without even managing to land a hit on it

>>145851065
Amy pls

>>145851065
Amy pls suck my dick

>>145851065
L O N G D O N G
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>>145851641
A dong?

>>145851851
Oh my god JC a dong!

>>145852256
Colonel, whats a long doing doing here?

Just have to pull the shaft... There.
Relax.

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How do you play ogres without extremely lucky drops? Their defences are so spectacularly bad it's not even funny. If I didn't have that +9 AC from items, I'd be dead long ago. And don't answer with the high HP meme, regenerating this shit takes so long that new monsters spawn before I'm even back to full.

>>145853089
High HP and insane weapon/fighting apt.

>>145853089
>high HP is a meme
This is worse than calling high HP rLCS.
Regeneration rate scales with max HP.

>>145853089
>slow regen
I think I understand your problem, anon.
You drank a !mut too many.

>>145853361
Slow regen only kicks in with monsters in LoS.

Is there ANY good 15 rune god except Chei?

>>145853496
Yeah.

>>145853494
Then why aren't you wearing a +4 TLA instead of that dank swamp kush? You already have Rpois from the ring.
Anyway you're fault stop quaffing !mut stop eating purple meat
or at least if you do don't say that your problem is your race

>>145853241
It scales so well it take over 300 turns to regen to full, more or less. I've run into situations where I wouldn't be able to regain HP because new monsters would just appear long before I'm done resting and take away most if not all of the HP i regained, sometimes forcing teleport(s) too.

Even High Elf and Vampire melee chars seem at times easier to play than this.

>>145853601
I'm not that guy, anon.

>>145853496
ASHEN
S
H
E
N

TSO too if you want a boring choice or have shit resists. Makhleb is solid, as is Veh if you're a master blaster.

>>145853741
Then you're losing too much HP in fights.

>>145853583
>ASHEN
>lategame
does not compute

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>>145853857 -> >>145853743
i fucked up

>>145853601
Because using scrolls on TLA is a horrible waste unless you found 8 of them before reaching Lair or something.

>Anyway you're fault stop quaffing !mut stop eating purple meat or at least if you do don't say that your problem is your race
My mutations have nothing to do with the problem I presented (or rather, they even make it lesser because of scales and rC++), so how about you don't try to use them as some weird way to gain upper ground at the end of your post?

>>145853857
>>145853959
Ashenzari is a great god for any character throughout the entirety of a 15 rune run, yes.

Please stop posting that guy's art. It is irredeemably shite.

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>>145854005
>Because using scrolls on TLA is a horrible waste
That is wrong and stupid.
You are stupid and wrong.
Enchant a TLA you ape.

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>tfw you don't shower for a week and your colleague calls you a Great Unclean One

>>145853959
Looks too genki for Chei, shit fanart desu senpai.

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>>145853959
22 instead of 27 for level 9 spells is actually a rather large discount, which lets you have an incredibly diverse arsenal of spells while maintaining above average defenses for such a character. Passive map and enemy sense is at its absolute best in Pan, where it actually saves you valuable HP and time. Scrying is exceptional for ninja'ing the hell runes with spells like shatter or cblink. Also, that chei is really awful. Please take it easy with that art.

>>145853496
>Is there ANY good 15 rune god
All of them.

No, really.

The game is trivial to knock out naked if you allow yourself any of: buff spells, offensive spells, evocations, potion quaffing, LOS reducers, cloak of fog, and probably a bunch more crap that I'm forgetting to mention.

Gods in DCSS are icing. Yes, all of them. Even Sif channeling is useful.

>>145854081
Okay, I'll try it with the next ogre but until that happens, I'm not convinced.

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Reminder that true Chei worshippers take it easy.

>>145854005
>Using scrolls is a waste
Anon, stop it. You complain about no AC when every ogre wants dat sweet troll wrapper for the regen and marginal protection it affords. Its also kind of an optimal choice to use your armor enchants ASAP on auxiliary gear if you're having trouble, since early game AC is so good. You don't gain much by saving anything in crawl.

>>145854248
I'm actually complaining more about no EV.

Your and the other anon's points sound good, but I bet it will fucking suck once I do try it. Thanks for the tips though, I might have not considered it a viable solution on my own.

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>>145854410
>I'm actually complaining more about no EV.
>how can you survive without +9 AC
Stop.

>>145854248
Isn't +Regen worth less for high-HP characters, since it increases your regen rate by a flat amount?

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>>145854457
no buly

>>145854457
>how can you survive with +9 AC when you have no EV either
not very difficult to understand, I hope

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>>145854632
no buly the buly
u buly

>>145854474
Regen is insane no matter what.

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Everyone's getting bullied

>>145854474
If you have 200 HP one source of Regen+ on gear approximately doubles your rate of regeneration.

>>145848846
>Implojin literally defending slaying
lmao

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>The zombie elite grenadier opens its pack and spreads its hands, a mininuke hack floats out!!
Who the fuck put this shit in the game

>>145855075
I know right
Fucking ridiculous

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>>145855075

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Oh, that's pretty good.

>>145855075
Do those grenade fuckers still get infinite grenade hacks? Last time I came across one he just kept throwing them out and didn't stop until I finally got tired of shooting them and killed him.

>Haven't played PosChengBand since 3.5.0 was fresh
>Forgot most commands and can't play for shit now

So what's new in 4.0?

>>145855480
Endgame tier.
What character?

>>145855492
It's not infinite but it might as well be.
Poking around the source:

>grenadiers
>{"bot_grenade_hack":10, "bot_flashbang_hack":3, "bot_gasbomb_hack":3, "bot_c4_hack":2}

>elite grenadiers
>{"bot_grenade_hack":20, "bot_flashbang_hack":10, "bot_gasbomb_hack":10, "bot_c4_hack":10, "bot_mininuke_hack":1}

>>145855554
Demigod Paladin of Life.
I'm endlessly grinding for a better weapon or a Ring of Power to up my damage a bit so I can take on the end-game.

>>145855514
colorful messages
major change to devices (new types added, devices can have egos, devices no longer stack [RIP for that last one])

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>>145855604

>>145855514
Check out the commit history.
Otherwise the biggest change is that devices now have egos and all devices regenerate over time and when you sleep at inns. (town recharge service is gone).
In 4.0.2 some changes were made to the distributions of certain useful items like !Healing and !Speed to require less grinding.
Additionally, artifact/item power was reworked and reforging is now much better. Randarts seem to be a bit more variable now too.
>>145855637
What are the fail rates like in your 4th book?

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>>145855869
>What are the fail rates like in your 4th book?

This is without the Stone of Life since I haven't found it yet and with shit Wis as you can see.

>>145855828
>>145855604
granadiers are very dangerous,
havent seen one a long time. last one was in the lab weaponry section. Almost dies since i underestimate them.

>>145856090
Yeah, you basically want to kill it ASAP or evoke feet.

>>145856036
Well I think Clairvoyance is usually the most a hybrid will get out of Blessings of the Grail. I also don't think casting stat affects fail-rate? Not sure though.

Post your CM/~W as well.

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>>145856131
Actually Ultimate resistance is quite godly for the mid-game because enemies can't really dispel yet.

>>145856269
599 damage vs. evil @ 71% is somewhat suboptimal, but is definitely doable for the serpent. Especially for a durable character like a Life Paladin.
You should be trolling D80-90 Angband for vaults and uniques instead of the arena dungeon. Much more likely to find a Ring of Power in a greater vault than in Arena:65(way too low btw).

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So fucking happy mages can wear actual armor with resists unlike monks.

>>145856471
Yeah, yeah I know.
Just trying to be careful and Arena is the most careful one can be.

>>145856130
hate them since they destroy everything that might be good, like in the military bunkers.
>long range the turrets
>now to somehow lure the granadier away from the loot.
>actually quite fun

>>145856518
What demigod feats did you take?

HEY LISTEN UP YOU FAGGOTS.

YOUR TURN BASED HUNGER CLOCK SIMULATORS ARE FOR LOSERS

YOU WALK AROUND AND PRESS THE UP ARROW KEY INTO MONSTERS UNTIL THEY DIE AND THEN YOU GRIND AND DO IT AGAIN

THERE IS NO STRATEGY AT ALL, LITERALLY PRETENTIOUS ASCII GRINDING

HOLY SHIT

>>145856678
Evasion and Demonic Grasp.
I think they're the most optimal ones for a paladin.

>>145856681
>MY NAME IS JOHN AND I HATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU

>>145856681
>arrow keys
>>145856761
200 AC, 1000 HP, Evasion, and Demonic Grasp and you are hanging out on Arena 65? You silly bugger, you. You're probably making things more dangerous by extending the grind so long you get bored.

>>145856681
MiBe detected. Did an orange crystal statue addle your already simple brain?

>>145856681
you remind me of cancer.

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What did he mean by this?

>>145837179
How much difference would capped int make though?

>>145857054
He's going back to Chengband

>>145856925

>PLAY AS MINOTAUR
>WALK AROUND KILLING EVERYTHING
>LEVEL UP
>KILL STRONGER THINGS
>REPEAT

>PLAY AS ANYTHING ELSE
>WALK AROUND KILLING WEAK THINGS
>LEVEL UP
>KILL STRONGER THINGS
>LEVEL UP
>KILL EVERYTHING BUT WITH MORE CAUTION

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>>145856873
>u're probably making things more dangerous by extending the grind so long you get bored.

Every time.

>>145857398
This is a good edit.

>>145857349
>Play game
>Do thing to progress in game
>Progress until win

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>Dramatic Exits
>-Tele

>>145858442
>unsheathes portal of golubria
>apports the orb
>pssh, nuthin personell, Orb Guardians

>>145858442
>Blurry vision
!cMut nigga

>>145858405

>Play roguelike
>almost no story or depth
>everything is turn-based
>grind so you can grind some more until you win
>occasionally die because you get bored from grinding in an unengaging game
>have to start all over

>Play other game
>not turn based
>rich story
>if not rich story challenging plat forming
>if not that challenging strategy
>if not that immersive environment
>if not that beautiful graphics
>etc

>>145858727
>implying I'd use it for just blurry vision 1
>implying any !cMut even generated at all

>>145858739
So why aren't you enjoying what you like rather than disparaging others?

>>145858739
>If it doesn't have a rich story then it either plays good or looks good
Gone Home. Check mate.

PS: Can you still use * aiming in PCB to aim a bloodknights blood explosions or was that deemed a bug and patched?

>>145858739
Keep trying, you'll get there eventually.

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>>145859040
Because he's shitposting, don't respond.

>>145859040

Honestly senpai I actually like roguelikes and just wanted someone to prove me wrong, been playing them for a while now and just came to this realization recently. I still play them but feel stupid knowing they basically test how long you can keep your focus on something before getting bored and accidentally killing yourself.

>>145859306
I don't know what's wrong with you, but I get quite immersed while playing IA, Sil, or Brogue and never spend time grinding in them at all.
They are also definitely fulfilling for that strategy itch.
No, I never grind in 950' either unless I feel like it.

I've recently been playing more stuff like PCB and DCSS, because I always cycle through the roguelikes I play, but those three are the holy trinity in my mind.

Alright fellow neckbeards, how do we fix mutations in DCSS?

>>145859649

Remove them.

>>145859649
Malmutation has a higher chance of removing mutations with the more you have, same as eating mut meat or quaffing !mut
Also have it be balanced 60/40 towards bad muts, so you have a higher chance of getting something decent once in a while

Oh, and give !benMut a very small chance of conveying Ds muts to everyone

>>145859649
Remove potions of beneficial mutations because often they aren't all that beneficial.

>>145859917

Why not just remove all potions?

>>145859649
Just make a roguelike entirely about getting muts and getting wierd without any of DCSS' mechanical chains holding you back.

>>145859649
Beneficial mutation potion now lets you choose the mutation you gain.

>>145859649

Make them slightly controllable. You should get to slightly influence the types of mutations you get.

>>145856681
>You are too berserk!

>>145860150

Ah shit really senpai? I just downloaded DCSS again 1 day ago and it didn't let me choose.

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>>145860248
>not playing online

>>145860248
He's lying to you.

>>145860069
Just play a mummy.

Really though, what I meant is that "beneficial mutation" might not really be beneficial when your fucking +2 helmet of Kicking Ass {Str+6 Slay+6} falls away because you got horns 1. It's misleading and should either be reworked in some way or removed completely. >>145860150 has a good idea, though it might be a bit too good, probably would have to be compensated with making it rarer.

>>145860341

>Not playing offline so you can edit the tileset so that all the monsters are naked anime characters and the weapons are different kinds of dildos

Faggot.

What is the fucking matter with mi-gos in DDA?

Slamming a car into them at 50mph does fuck-all damage, completely stops the car and allows them to murder you in a couple of turns

what a load of shit

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>Just watch out for those sneaky gloves of archery making your bread deal damage
>Then you have to kite the thing you hit until it's back at full HP before you kill it
Classic Implo.

>>145861118

DDA is what's wrong.

>>145861127
I don't think bowslay applies to non-weapon ranged attacks.

>>145861318
Yeah, that's the joke.

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>>145861118
I remember exploring a lab for the first time and I heard "My Leg!" to the southwest and when I went to go explore what was going on it was actually just a fucking mi-go mimicking some dude's voice and then proceeded to kick my ass in. Turns out they can parrot voices, I've heard shit like "Oh God! Oh God!" and the like.

>>145861208
Is the original still even around?

>>145861414
Yes but it's worse than DDA.

When you're riding a monster in PCB is its speed effectively your speed? I'm wondering if wands of haste monster are as great as they seem to be.

>he isn't subscribed to "breadwielding daily"

>>145862064
Didn't the devs remove this once they saw someone from this thread doing it?

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Wow what a load of bullshit
I've literally had no problems up until now and this fucker decides to roll max damage while i roll minimum AC
Bullshit

>>145862164
The devs have known about breadswinging for years.

>>145861318
They do, i remember him testing it by throwing scrolls of uselessness and killing a roach

>>145862201
You definitely seem to be having a problem in that situation.
Man look at that CHOICE chokepoint.

>>145859649
Add a third category. Anything that's generally good but potentially harmful, such as beaks, hooves, horns, claws, talons, antennae, slow metabolism, evolution, wild magic, goes in it. Beneficial Mutation only gives stuff that literally can't mess with a character.

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>>145862201
>?tele
>?fear
>?blink
>!haste
>!invis

>>145862201
All dose consumables mang.

>>145862201
>he fell for the AC meme
another garg bites the dust he-hey!

>>145862319
>slow metab
>potentially harmful
What, how?

I'm thinking of playing a MuMo that can only wear armor of the uniques you kill.

>>145862619
Excludes Regeneration (mutation), and how does one ever have trouble with finding nutrition anyway?

>>145862380
>>145862395
>Message log clearly says i'm reading a TP
apply yourselves
also
>Implying !inv does anything with no stealth and wearing plate
>Implying they don't sInv
>Implying ?fear is strong enough to scare them

>>145862778
>reading a TP when surrounded by more than your CHP in damage and you have blink
Man just own up to your fault, you scrublord.
>>145862707
Wow I did not know it did that, but that is super rude.

>>145862778
Just blink the fuck out of dodge.

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>>145862778
>>Implying ?fear is strong enough to scare them

strong enuf to scare that there ettin what thwacked ya m8

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>>145862778
Anon
anon you're retarded I'm sorry

>>145862778
>>145862201
YOU ARE OWN FAULT

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>7 AC
>8 EV
It's like I'm really wearing scale mail!

>>145862201
How did you even get in that situation? Why didn't you blink?

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>>145863658
He's just mad cuz bad.

How are the new gods?

>>145865528
Hep is okay to play and strong (for 3 rune games).
Usk is boring to play and decent.
Pak is awesome to play and maybe too strong.

>>145865230
He isn't the greatest, but he usually has better judgement. That ettin has double base 53 damage PLUS MIGHT, the warden has 51, the convoker 38, and the yaktuars' have base 30 and 20 respectively AS WELL AS MIGHT. Even with his GDR of 50%, his defenses fall short because his shield is going to get overwhelmed by the 6 blows per turn (and you can see that it did get overwhelmed), which leaves his extremely subpar EV to defend him from that nonsense. Like, the ettin by itself was more than capable of dishing out 30~ damage per blow, and he looks to be at like 25~ in that screenshot. Really awful fault all around.

>>145861562
so I have to settle with DDA then?

lame

>>145866328
You could play old cata, but its really awful in its own special way. We had a lot of fun with it when it first came out.

>Add washboard to tools
>Add function to wash filthy clothes in fresh water
>All characters now suffer morale penalties for wearing filthy clothes

>>145866814
>Implying they won't add races first
>Blacks have better stats
>cracas must suckle suckle on black DINGUS or get morale permanently destroyed
Also
>Morale
>Not disease and morale

>>145867016
/pol/ please go

>>145866814
I want a body hygiene stat already, for full authentic hoboruns

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>>145867016
I see you took the BBC pill my friend.

>>145865693
I was at 66HP, the ettin did 42. That turn i rolled really fucking badly, taking 27 chip damage from everything else while i had been fine before
Plus i had no fucking EV the whole game, even while wearing a robe it did not go over 22

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Fuck whenever I move I get this jarring effect because of my shield

>>145867192
>dex
>15
Were you investing strength? 15 maxes out at like 27 EV. Seriously though, why didn't you blink?

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>>145867246
>

>>145867192
>>145867481
Also, I looked up how monster might works and they just get a flat 50% bonus to damage. So that ettin had like 78~ double base. A juggernaut has 80 40.

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Haven't played it in a while, do Cata NPCs now have working hunger and thirst?

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It's not like I wanted to keep playing anyway

>>145867996
yep

>>145868191
You know you could have consecrated that pillar with the dance of ages, right?

>>145868361
'course I know
I just didn't want to keep playing with that glitch
and you know that it's best to die in lair/orc to have the most fun in MuMo

>>145867523
Medaka is cute

>>145868463
I wouldn't call energy scumming a glitch, but I feel you. But you're wrong, the best MuMo deaths are in the branches. Or tomb.

>>145868615
>I wouldn't call energy scumming a glitch
not that anon
this >>145867246
it was killing me

>>145868660
Ah yeah. That does seem annoying as fuck.

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We exotic now.

>>145869009
>centaur cavalry is now a fremen
Nice.

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Literally one blow away from killing her.
Not that it was that hard but fuck fuck fuck.

>>145869149
>her
Can you read?

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>tfw no riding
I would use this in a fucking heartbeat, damn it.

>>145867481
I took dex at every single stat up and didn't find a single piece of equipment with +DEX, GrFi start out with 9

He's right.
And that's why you play GrGl.

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>>145869149
That's a man, baby!
Thanks for going to Angband by the way.
>>145869312
>not riding the most dangerous steeds for the sheer thrill of it

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>>145869274
>>145869772
>not a her

>>145861397
"Hey asshole, talk to me!"
"Wait up fucker I want to talk to you!"
>proceed to get robbed, base looted, or head blown off with a shotty, by a dynamically spawned migo in your sleep

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commit/f1de0fdbb646f2078f549afbc435f6dcc86d8dd0

>you can actually use fire as a source of light now

wew lads

>>145862636
post pics

>>145870325
nah
just splatted this dude
>>145870206
you know what's even better
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/17236
fire actually doesn't burn your whole body with tons of hardcoded -null- damage.

>>145862636
>Kill Xathua or Large Marge
>Free win
Anon please.

>Captcha nancy

>>145870532
yeah
it'd be fun and more people would play it

>>145870635
Why don't they just try to find another challenge to do instead of various casual versions of MuMo? And MuMo is fun. Try out loremaster or something