/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

First for shitpost

waifus

OOP is best paradigm

Fourth for salt your fucking hash

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Thank you for posting best girl.

>>145772419
>if you have ideas for scenarios, post them
Mostly interested in high amount of active objects and/or collisions

>>145772616
does that mean use a different seed for every hash or something else

Any good and simple tutorial for a breakout in gamemaker? im stuck with what happens with the ball and the bar after the ball respawns again, it just moves as it wants and i can't respawn the bar to it's start location like i do with the ball

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How do I make sand look like sand?

I'm fucking slow with adding stuff.

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>>145772425

xth for do not reply to shitposters.
ignore shitposters.
report shitposters.

>>145772616
Why, I'm not using hashing for anything security related

>>145772805
is he urinating in the sand?
Also is this the game with the circle earth?

>>145772781
How are you handling restarting exactly?

>>145772805
Make it solid white with black noise

>>145772805
Is he melting the sand by pissing on it?

>>145772805
yep solid is the way to go >>145773026

>>145772781
your game sounds like its out of control

>>145773023
Right now the only restarting i got is the ball, wich respawns when touches the lower part of the screen. What i wanna do is make it so when that happens the bar also respawns.

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>>145773057
>>145773019
>Is he melting the sand by pissing on it?
>is he urinating in the sand?
... fuck
No he's using a long arm.

>Also is this the game with the circle earth?
Yes

>>>145773026
>>145773181
I'll try

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Finished the map, it will now only show tiles as you discover them.

>>145773181
Yeah it is, i don't fucking know what to do or what im doing anymore, just started working in it again after some weeks.

>>145772628
You are exempt

I want to make a 2D game and I have absolutely no idea what to make

Please give me non-meme ideas. It can be a cliche

>>145774145
start with a ping pong, then a breakout and so on, start with the basics and level up.

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ragdolls are still stupid

>>145774260
I laughed

>>145774260
i dig it

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>>145774258
I know how to code anon, it's not my first time. I just don't know what to make

I used to post a lot here a few months ago, but I gave up on this game

>>145774260
Make it a feature. Player is so strong he turns people into goop.

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Animation system done. Just need to fix some issues with offsets and what not (the arm is a separate sprite to allow smoother transitions to slashing animations). Then it's onto coding a way to generate collision maps.

>>145774472
Oh hey, I remember you. Since you've already done some work on patroling stuff, why not make some sorta stealth game?

Maybe make it top-down so it doesn't feel like working on the same thing as much.

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>>145773026
>>145773181
???

>>145775015
Missingno?

>>145774472
I love how he slaps their asses and they die

>>145775015
Perfect.

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Hi /agdg/.
I have non-gaming non-graphical intermediate programming experience.
How long would it take me to make something like picrelated in OpenGL/Vulkan for Android?

>>145775015
GOTY

>>145775129
OpenGL: several months
Vulkan: several years

>>145775129
>vulkan
>android

>>145775129
Well, that's gonna depend on how much experience you have and how you're going to go about graphics.

>>145775129
>OpenGL
A few weeks, it'll take you longer to make all the assets
>Vulkan
Good fucking luck with that, you have no hope if you don't even already know GL and GPUs inside out.

>>145772642
did two tests on my garbage hardware

1) how many 32x32 sprites moving at constant speed with 60 FPS
GM: 4500-5000
Godot: 2500
C++/SFML: 10000

2) how fast does it take to iterate a while loop 1000000 times (tests conducted 3 times, this is arithmetic mean)
GM: 225ms
Godot: 200ms
C++: 3ms

not really something you should take into consideration when choosing an engine
C++ has virtually everything and is a speed demon, but takes months to set up a project when working solo
GM has room editor, easy scripting language and most of predefined and useful data structures ready
Godot has this + ability to create own data structures with ease, and brazillion of UI elements ready to go

>>145775129
The only struggle is learning openGL, the assets are simple, the movement is not complex.
You just need to learn rendering pipeline.
I think i could make that in a week because i already have openGL code to start from.

>>145775189
>>145775205
>>145775281
So Vulkan was a meme all along?
Who could have thought.

>>145775528
Imagine making a bangai-o game that wouldn't start slowing down intentionally when the screen is filled with missiles, explosions and other juicy things.

>>145775785
It apparently has a lot of great features and performance improvements, its just not well known or widespread. Give it a few years.

>>145775785
>So Vulkan was a meme all along?
It's not a meme for real devs.
It's beyond a meme for anyone on AGDG.

>>145775129
Years.
Or you could choose an engine that exports to Android and supports 3D, and make the game within a couple months instead.

>>145775980
I sure remember it being a very loud meme back around march, lots of hype here and on /g/.

>>145775528
Thanks. I'll keep an eye on Godot, but I'll stick to GM in the meantime

>>145776113
>very loud
Only because of 3 nodevs that think they can make a C Vulkan engine. They don't even make games.

>>145776113
Because we will enjoy the performance benefits when real devs/library devs switch to vulkan

>>145776113
so you're taking shitposting of community that doesn't know the problems vulkan's solving as a truth? stellar

>>145776390
by that logic your post is bullshit

>>145776535
yes, because everything is posted by the same person

>>145773304
I chuckled.

How the shit do I get a gf like the one in OP's pic?

Should I use drag and drop i gamemaker or just use programming for everything

>>145777020
Programming, dragondrop will only hinder and limit you in the long run.

No spacegress, no hope.

>>145776761
>you have to be the same person to be part of the same community

Who else is really hyped to see what will come out of AGDG collabs?

>>145777628
>what will come out of AGDG collabs?
Nothing?

>>145777684
Very unlikely

If I was making a garden sim, and allowed the player to plant things anywhere on the ground, how would I implement saving using GM:S?

How can you tell when a fellow dev just innocently wants to hear your cool game ideas vs. an uncreative vulture trying to snipe your valuable, unique ideas?

>>145777983
You can't.

>>145778063
Then how the fuck am I supposed to share my ideas safely so that they'll know my creativity is the real deal?

>>145778337
Truly creative people have no fear of having their ideas stolen because they can simply come up with a better idea later

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back to game dev after a long break, played settlers of catan for the first time with some friends a few weeks ago and thought it would be fun to make

never made a grid of hexagons before so i've got some learning to do

>>145778337

take comfort in the fact that most uncreative vultures are nodevs, and even if they were to develop it, it would be a mobile game tier trash rendition of a game

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is unity still the best engine if i just want to make prototypes and never actually sell anything? haven't done gamedev in a while

>>145778474
Not true. Nice try, vulture.

>>145778692
>not true
Proof?

>>145778669
For 3D, yes.
For 2D, absolutely not.

No one has a screen smaller than 1024x720, right? That's the smallest resolution I can support in my game.

>>145778901
>not supporting CRT tvs
kek

>>145778901
If it's 64-bit only, then you probably should be good to go.

>>145778669
No. Godot is a lot better for 2D games. If you're looking to prototype 3D games Godot can do that too.
If you want to go into a big full 3D game UE4 might be better though.

>>145778901
>not supporting every resolution

>>145778901
64 bit only.
DO NOT SUPPORT LUDDITES.

>>145774260
Splatterhouse

>>145779206
>>145780176
what do you guys mean by 64bit only?

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>>145772628
>any of the rodent brigade
>best anything

>>145780515
Your release executable.
Honestly it doesn't matter and really your game should be scalable at any resolution, poorfags or not.

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>>145778543
it's not hard, six triangles from a hexagon

>>145780647
The UI starts to get too tight at anything below 1024x720, it can scale to anything above that though.

>>145778543
http://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/

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>>145778543
>>145780775

you can also use a 3d coordinate system in order to get a nice straightforward value to play with for movement and such

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>>145778901
Presumably any such person would be in the 'other' category, so you are AT MOST missing 2%

Next enemy modeled, didn't have time for animations though. Will be gone for 5 days due to trip to England, so I'm not actually dead on the outside yet, just away from the computer.

Thanks to the guy who suggested using a Mosquito as inspiration! Hope the abdomen don't trigger to many people, me and P̶̢̰̓͆t̵̲͕̅͛r̸͚͈̀͠a̴͍̗̓͝r̴̨͔̎̚k̵͉͕̈́͆i̸̹̩͋̚ơ̵̢̺͝<̶͍̩͒̍ really want to keep it like that.

>>145778669
And for prototyping games like FFT or Tactics Ogre would you go with unity or something else anon?

>>145780807
Well as long as nothings game breaking that's fine then.
also
>>145781174

>>145780515
If the game only runs on 64bit machines (ie. not some WinXP toaster), I'd probably expect them to at least support 720p by today. Of course, there are always outliers and some cheapo machines, such as some dirt cheap laptops. At work I've come across systems that are running Win95 and use some specialized software that they can't replace for a reason or another.

Just look up the average specs that Steam releases every now and then, and decide for yourself what you're willing to (or can) support.

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>>145781179
Why the fuck do I always forget image I'm really not made out to be a dev.

>>145780775
yeah i figured out this much already, i had to hardcode it but the other resource shared answered some of the questions i had about how this was going to work
>>145780934
this is really useful, thank you

>>145781369
thought it was a moose with helicopter antlers before it started turning.
p.cool though

>>145781369
Is it's skull really supposed to be split in two?

game dev was a mistake

>>145781779
indie game dev*

>>145781779
>>145781837
*happy accident

one word: inspired

>>145781859
Go beat the devil out of your code, Bob.

>>145781717
3* Yes it is, will become apparent when it's animated.

microprogress

>tfw no languages have the type system I want so I'm making my own

>>145782458
>>>/g/dpt is that way Jblow

>>145781082
i never understood what the fuck was this trying to solve. what's wrong with having non-ambiguous coordinates?

>>145772425
>>145772628
This OP image is the same equivalent to the source gif. I mean what exactly does this anime have to do with video games? what am I miss here?

I don't know why AGDG loves posting the same shitposts over and over again.

>>145782530
how is that ambiguous?

>>145782512
It's for gamedev.

>>145782530
Nothing, it's just this coordinate system is really convenient. A line of hexagons is a line. A hexagon of hexagons is a cube.

>>145781369
Pulsating Blood Sac / 10

>>145782791
It is. It doesn't matter, though.

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Finally got the orbits working. Also got he placeholder planets for now.

>>145782791
-1 -1 -2 is 0 0 0. assuming your ints aren't capped you can represent any hex with infinite amount of coords

>>145782865
It will be poppable

>>145782957
it's completely unambiguous

>>145783005
How does the gameplay work?

>>145783173
The image just shows the canonical forms, each hex has an infinite number of coordinates that correspond to it.

It doesn't matter, though, and makes it more convenient: >>145782806

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>isometric view
I don't know if I like this. There is wasted space in the corners.
>Click to move
So much better than arrow keys
>This huge square unit that fill all available space

Any good ideas for how units should move or abilities they should have? Right now I'm just throwing all of the abilities onto one test unit.

>>145778543
>played settlers of catan for the first time with some friends a few weeks ago and thought it would be fun to make
•it's been made and re-made many times, I implore you not to
•read the rules, some people are sticklers on when and who you're allowed to trade with, some are not.
•break the rules if it's faster/more fun
•Make Splendor instead, it's more fun and easier to make thanks to it being more abstract.

>>145783217
Well, its still not there. The player will be able to capture the asteroids and send them to other planets to destroy others.

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>>145774835

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UE4 game jam dev working on spicy food eating game with pooping mechanics here.

I have my food spawning script working, next step is to build the GUI.

If you are a 3D guy who want to tag along and make some food items or if you are a sound guy who wants to produce to toilet splatter sounds for the high score screen then let me know. Minimal effort required

>>145783986
How exactly does one shit themselves on a toilet

>>145784127
if you keep your pants on

>>145773304

When you dig you normaly put the object you dog with in the soil and move it upward and not downward like it is doing in your webm.

>>145783986
genuinely curious

what's the focus, the eating part and choices/mechanics or the pooping part? How is the former affecting the latter? Is it the player goal in the second part to make as big a mess as possible?

need more info all around.

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progress

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=705485961
I'm on GreenLight now
please be gentle

>>145785080
Is it even done m8?
Seems like you were still playing with shaders not to long ago.

What's a decent way of implementing items that have different uses?

For example, say I have two potions, one healing the user, another one adding a temporary buff based on some conditions. How can this be neatly implemented?

I presume the best way would be to create a base class for information like name, etc and then inherit new classes that each implement the desired behavior for each item. However, with many items the amount of classes would scale rapidly, so that doesn't seem fully clean.

Another way I could see is having separate functions for each behavior, and then just passing function pointers to the object so that it invokes those on calling use() or something, but it also seems messy.

Is there a better way of pulling this off without having an if statement for each item?

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And here's a better angle of that lewd pulsing action.

>>145785235
That's dynamic dispatch, in general. Subclassing and method overriding is one way to get dynamic dispatch, while function pointers are another.

>>145785318
Looking great, creeps me the fuck out which is the whole point so kudos!

Progress: Making slight forward movement on my inventory systems, Dwarf merchant might actually have a shop by the next recap, huzzah.

>>145785235
>>145785435
Personally, I would go with function pointers. Unless you're using C, this shouldn't be very bad because every language nowadays has some kind of lambda syntax and function pointer/delegate.

>>145785235
how about you stop being a knob and make a data driven system?

>>145785318
Are those veins pulsating backwards?

>>145785817
Veins transport low-oxygen blood back to the heart.

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>>145784919
You have a table with 5 random dishes.
Each dish have a Potency value and a Duration Value.
When you click on a dish you eat it, and for the Duration the Potency of the dish is added to your Ohfuckimgonnashitmyself meter. (And a new dish is spawned on a 5 second timer)
If your Ohfuckimgonnashitmyself meter gets too high, you shit yourself.
The goal is to eat as much as possible without shitting yourself, and get to the toilet where you "unload".
Unloading on the toilet gives you a high score depending on how high your meter is.

So I guess you could say it has tactical elements. If you play it safe you get a low score, but if you aim too high you might end up shitting yourself.

I also plan on having two tactical items, milk and hot-sauce to modify your meter.

If I have the time I might add some annoying mechanic to open the door to the toilet, to add some stress factor.

>>145785813
That's a separate concern.

>>145785961
why are you making this?

>>145785813
Are you talking about some sort of database implementation or just having one method for checking the type of item used and say having if statements define all the functionality, e.g. if item X = typeY, carry out this behavior?

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>>145785235

>OOP programming in a nutshell

>>145785817
Veins pump towards the heart, arteries pump away (both are readish under the skin). Is my mosquito/dead human cyborg not realistic enough?

>>145786226
>object oriented programming programming

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>>145785235

>OOP

>>145786025
it's fucking not

maybe if you didn't spend your days trying to tell the compiler what a spell is you'd have more time to actually make your game

>>145786170
i mean make classes be intangible concepts, not your game things. items should have actions, actions should have effects, effects should have some abstraction you come up with that do things to entities in the world. then you just fill arrays with data from files and your game works without having everything laid out in code

>>145786462
>effects should have some abstraction you come up with that do things to entities in the world
That's what he's asking about, you knob.

>then you just fill arrays with data from files and your game works without having everything laid out in code
Exactly what I mean by separate concerns.

>>145786532
>However, with many items the amount of classes would scale rapidly
can you read or not?

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>>145785235

>classes
>inheritance
>scale

>>145785080
is this just an endless runner/platformer where you can also shoot the obstacles, paired with excessive juice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBDgu6IUCsw

this is ACTUALLY vomit inducing

>>145786654
Yes, data-driven design is how you prevent that (while allowing other things), but it doesn't answer the question of how to implement the behaviours in the first place, loaded from files or not.

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>>145786716
I have seen some shit, Usually i'm not affacted but holy fuck

>Want to make a lot of progress this weekend
>The hubby is staying the weekend at my place
Do I be a sperg and dev all weekend or do I nodev and spend time with him oh noooo

>>145787050
If you want to progress, make progress. Have him test the game.

>>145787050
make babys and in 16 years make up your own family dev team

>>145786913
oh fuck off. merely because i didn't provide the last piece of the puzzle it's somehow not an answer? after he implements what's already posted he should be able to think for himself

>>145785080
>>145786716

nigga, I think you did juice wrong.

juice should be about communicating the essential components of the game clearly, and this does the exact opposite.

the chromatic abberation on the sides makes it harder to read and react to incoming obstacles. the bullets are so small as to be unseen.

>>145786130
72 hour Game Jam with the theme "Fire in the Hole". I wrote down a few concepts and settled on this one because it was the idea that relied the least on art assets.

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>>145785235
Ye oughta study up on object oriented programmin' and how it's been shaped and evolved by t' great programmers who were conforeed with t' very problems ye be experiencin' now.

>>145787303
>how do I do X
>do Y after doing X
>dude, you didn't answer the question
>oh fuck off, how is that not an answer?
Stop sperging out.

>>145786716
I have motion sickness and your game doesn't trigger me, but it's really annoying to look at

>>145787420
yeah, ok, let's have 200 classes

>>145787301

>implying traps can have babies

>>145787229
It's not in a testable state. :( I guess we can chill and play games together or something while I dev and switch off.

>>145787301
>Implying traps can have babies

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>>145787401
>However, with many items the amount of classes would scale rapidly
How does object-oriented programming solve this problem, piRATA?

>>145787535
Did I ever say to make it OO and not data-driven?

>>145787535
Use JSON

>>145787616
FUCK OFF SPIC

>>145787619
That's exactly what he said, still doesn't answer the question.

JSON, XML, etc. are also way overkill if you know the format of what you're loading already, which is usually the case.

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>>145785080
>>145785183
there's still a little work to be done yes, but most of my shader playing recently has been "I want to make a shader that does X", I'm not even sure if certain stuff will make it into the game.
There are a couple other people helping me out with the art, level designs and play testing. I've been told the greenlight process takes a few months so I'll be done most of what needs to be finished.

>>145786716
>>145786918
The cascading block effect is the main cause of that, which has been toned down severely since then. On top of that, there will be a toggle for it.

>>145787390
Thanks for the feedback, I'll work on those suggestions.

>>145787751
What was the question then? And how is it overkill if he needs 200 classes?

>>145787836
>What was the question then?
>What's a decent way of implementing items that have different uses?
He said implementing, not defining.

>And how is it overkill if he needs 200 classes?
JSON is overkill, not data-driving.

>>145787836
he should have exactly one class that can do everything an item needs to be able to do

>>145787397
the time limit's a bummer, it's an interesting concept, and I like the simple depth to the risk/reward, but the foods should be recognizable and interesting and seem like a big art sink that might not jive with your fast design, and you're losing some things with the bathroom. Might be a side objective in deliberately fucking up and pooping on the walls, on the sink, etc. Might even be better just replacing the pooping with puking.

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>>145785235

I believe functional programming was invented to solve this particular problem.

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What's the best OpenGL guide for gamedev beginners? I want something that covers everything from the triangle to a tiny 3D game.

>inb4 enginedev != gamedev
I just wanna learn OpenGL, not make games.

>>145786716
DEJA VU

>>145788183
>raw OGL
you're a madman, godspeed anon.

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So I'm thinking of making a First Person game where you just loot/steal shit like in Morrowind. Game would take place in a big alien city (like pic related) except the buildings would be much closer together. You sell everything you loot/steal to purchase upgrades so you can fly and explore the city much easier.

What do you guys think?

>>145788183

everything you need is here http://nehe.gamedev.net/

>>145787950
Different actions need their own parameters. A item with an action to "change status" needs a stat to change and the amount. Making a monolithic base class with everything an item could ever need at once isn't a good solution.

The best thing would be to use a language with variants/algebraic data types and have the item type be common item data plus a variant for each action. Most languages don't support this, so an abstract base class with a subclass per action is the next best thing.

>>145788183
http://ogldev.atspace.co.uk/

>>145788183
learnopengl is a great guide. It has a little 2D game at the end, but all the tutorials before are about 3D so it should be easily transferable.

I only just discovered that I can draw things in Krita with my tablet and import them directly into GMS. Why don't more people do this, and instead opt for making sprites via Aseprite?

>>145788320
NeHe is horribly outdated and poorly written, never recommend them in this thread ever again.

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The genesis of a new project!

It'll be basically Roadside Picnic in 2D, focused on stealth and anomaly retrieval and the life on the institute.

Thoughts? Not my first project, so this might actually get somewhere. My last project: >>145774472

>>145788314
>What do you guys think?
I think your game could be """played""" by just hacking in a free-camera.

>>145788476

>I can't follow along a simple guide. hold my hands.

kys

>>145788496
Roadside Picnic/STALKER is all about atmosphere, it's very unlikely that a 2D game will be able to deliver.

>>145788287
I didn't say raw, I'll most likely end up using SDL with it as well. Still pretty raw, though.

>>145788320
>>145788356
>>145788442
Thanks, anons.

>>145788183
open.gl and web.archive.org/web/20150225192611/http://www.arcsynthesis.org/gltut/index.html

>>145786462
I see what you mean, but I can't see how it essentially doesn't boil down to the same problem I presented.

Whilst item actions/effects are abstracted away from items themselves, it still leaves the problem of scale at hand. If I have 50 different item actions/effects, I would still need to have a multitude of classes, each covering each separate action/effect e.g. dot, healing, etc.

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>>145785813
>>145786226
>>145786404
>>145786443
>>145786687
>>145787401
>>145787535
>>145788089
>>145788356
>I have no game and no intention of helping so lets shift the focus from making games to what the newest paradigm I learned was so i can feel important

Holy fuck why do you guys do this, are you too stupid to help him? You are fucking talking about ECS without even telling him how that paradigm can easily be implemented in his example without him having to switch over rcompletely.

>>145785235
Just make a base potion class, have your other potions inherit from it and only ovveride the "effect" function that takes a character and modifies it in some way.
Inb4 "Hurr to many classes how will i ever keep them in order" You can have all fucking potions in the same file and it would take just as much place as an ECS implementation. Now SHUSH and just like make game.

>>145788650
>2D games don't have atmosphere
play more video games faggot.

>>145788183
http://learnopengl.com/#!Getting-started/Creating-a-window

>>145788069
Thanks for the encouragement either way!
I'll be posting progress, I'm in the flow right now

Which engine is the easiest to pick up for 2D?

I'm realizing Unity's 2D is a huge unusable memefeature so I need a new base.

>>145788631
Are you retarded?

>>145788675
That's not necessarily a problem, because the classes will likely be small and won't suffer from code duplication. Keep action composition in mind - "do X and then do Y" where X and Y are actions can be an action in itself!

>>145788765
Not one person mentioned ECS.

>>145788356
listen nigger there is literally no difference between a derived and a base class except for new functionality, this is oop 101

what is stopping you from making a class with a method for each action, and then defining which action to use through data or some other code?

>>145788650
There is absolutely no way I can make a 3D game about that. I tried once, i'm shit at modeling, animating and programming in a 3D ambient. In 2D, I find it easy as fuck to program and although I'm not a master at drawing, I think my skills suffice.

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>>145788827
>He is right but didn't read all the 400 lines to find what new paradigm I implemented if i tell him that he'll look stupid

>>145788845
>what is stopping you from making a class with a method for each action, and then defining which action to use through data or some other code?
That's exactly what I'm saying.
>an abstract base class with a subclass per action is the next best thing

>>145788765

>"newest paradigm"
>have been in use for 15 years

>>145788665
less shitty mirror for arcsyn

alfonse.bitbucket.org/oldtut

>>145788845
>>145788964
Wait, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. That's stupid. You pick the subclass and set its specific member values through data.

>>145788984
>newest paradigm I learned was
Why can't non oop guys read?

>>145789119
Functional friends aren't good at parsing.

Freshly uploaded PROGRESS for REM.

>>145789119
I love this FP vs OOP meme

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>>145789213

>it's a pro-OOP shitposter derails yet another generally productive discussion with his hot opinions

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How would I create textures like Shadow of Colossus?

I just need some sort of tutorial that gives a look close to it. All the handpainting tutorials end up looking cartoony. Looking at shadow of colossus there is no bump mapping.

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>>145789358
>it's a pro-OOP shitposter derails yet another generally productive discussion with his hot opinions

No but seriously is there some connection with non-oopr's being unable to write/read properly? This guy didn't even finish his sentence and expects himself to be taken seriously.

Make a game with the paradigm of your choice.
PROVE to us that it's a good choice.

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>>145789360

japanese hand-painted textures are slightly different from their western counterparts. more grungy and detailed.

>>145789726
Don't say that it triggers the non-oopr's.

>>145789287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20CNeKa3QYE
Managed to not include the link. Awesome.

>>145789684
>...episode
Happy?

>>145789360
Just hand paint something that's not cartoony.

I mostly don't like OOP languages because of their poor type systems.

>>145789839
Is that your voice? It's fucking sexy as hell.

>OOPfags can't defend their paradigm and refuses to admit that the class hierarchy collapses when exposed to any significant complexity

instead of defending their paradigm they resort to namecalling and such.

Help me pick an engine/framework guys. I'm on a mac and I have little programming experience. Most of my experience is in Java, but I've also dabbled in python, lua, C# and javascript. I'm still ass at programming without a book though. Also I can't/don't care about 3D right now. I just want to start with something and stick with it. What should I use?

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>>145790107
People keep saying that. Its making me smile.Thank you anon.

>>145789839
Screw the game, become a voice actor.

About a week ago a nice anon told me how to implement a dialogue system in my game that would be able to print dialogue as well as effect game entities based on choices, by telling me to use a domain-specific language with an abstract syntax and interpreter that could be used to run scripts. I sort of understood, but if anyone has any more thoughts or advice on how to do something like that, specifically in Monogame/XNA, I'd really appreciate any advice. I'm starting work on it today and there doesn't seem to be much talk about it on the googles for specifically this use.

>>145790317
>>145789839
Stop it anon, you're making me jealous.

>>145788827
I see how that could work then, but how would one initiate it well?

Keep a file that stores all item specifications, load/parse it and store its contents in a flyweight structure that stores a shared copy of each item for further use?

>>145788675
well, i don't know the scope you're aiming for but i assume having a simple set of operations is not enough

i'd propose making a scripting language of sorts, where effectors can query the context when the effect is being carried out

for example you'd have a file with "change_health invoker 10" which would be parsed into a changeHealth object which has getInvoker instance as subject member and 10 as a value member. when applying the effector the visitor (i think that's what's it called) pattern should be appropriate. basically, you construct a situation context object and call some apply method on your root effector that iterates over its inner effectors with that context instance. this way the changeHealth (through getInvoker) can figure out that the intention was to heal the invoker, which might be the player

i've written this before, i swear. it makes sense, i'm just shit at explaining

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>>145790358
But its my favorite game D:

I will voice act in it though, maybe I can shill my voice out for other devs for sheckles.

>>145790464
no

>>145789839

it's like Beseige, but for space?

>>145790863
Multiplayer, dueling, 6DOF, Beseige in space without fire being instant and assured death.

Sure, why not.

I always thought it was closer to KSP, but I like Besiege better anyway.

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>Start using ECS
>Only difference is that you call Objects Entities and that you are more anal in where methods and data go
>Nothing revolutionary, imagine I can save maybe 3 minutes of refactoring a day
>ECS guys spend 20 minutes each day screaming this shit to silent ears who are instead making games

Why do you guys always sperg like OOP is the devil when ECS is a branch of it?

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Performance tests are fun. My weakest machine has Intel Core 2 Duo, and even on it it managed to stay roughly 60fps.

I think I could improve it a tiny bit, but I'll tackle that if slowdowns become an issue in average gameplay.

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>>145791391

>I have no idea what OOP or ECS is but I'll opine on it anyway

>>145791391
Everyone is argues about any paradigm like what happens in this thread sometimes are actually just nodevs. They spend so much time arguing about this shit because they don't have an actual game to work on, this is the only thing they can do.

>>145791586
>He is right and hit the nail on the head, lets just meme him and nobody will notice I didn't point out what was wrong with his statement!

>>145791613
Yeah I know, its sad. At least source-guy had a vendetta.

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>>145790394
Anyone? :(

>>145791735
>>145791391

>Only difference is that you call Objects Entities

how does one take such a statement remotely seriously?

>>145778337
Look, whatever you have for idea's or premisses for games, as long as you don't have a 30+ page document describing the game in great detail it'l be worthless for creatively bankrupt idiots trying to "snipe" your "unique" "idea's"

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>>145791982
>If I take only a part of his sentence and ignore the rest it will seem retarded, nobody will notice!

What is up with this mental dissonance with non-oop'rs? Its kinda scary.

>>145791559
>performance test
>same exact sprite

>>145792180

>implying the rest of his statements were of any consequence or had any facts to back what he was saying

>>145791559
>no particles
Sure, performance test with the exact same sprite works, provided you're developing for the fucking NES.

>>145790394
>>145791975
Hi.

I'm thinking about it, but it's dinner time, so I'll get back to you soon.

Teaser: it uses async and await, i.e. coroutines.

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>>145791982
>>145791586
>>145792330

I found a picture of you guys. You might not be retarded as he says but you sure can't spot bait for shit. You do realise that you guys look retarded when A: You reply to his baiting and B: You refuse to tell the thread when he is wrong right?

>>145792217
>>145792353
I could make it reload the image file for each separate instance, but that'd be silly.

I'll do more tests as I have more sprites to test it on.

>>145792408
I eagerly await your return, anon.

>>145792451

see here >>145791982

false equivalence

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>a bunch of nodevs arguing about oop and ecs while both work well enough
How about you flip a coin either one because no one gives a shit.

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Made a simple script that randomly spawns debris all around.

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>>145791982
>>145791586
>>145792330
>>145792616

>ECS is not that different because statement A and B
>HAHAH You must be retarded to mention A or B
>What was wrong with statement A and B?
>Because reasons you are retarded so I won't answer hahah you are so stupid

Every, fucking, thread.

>>145792808

>what was wrong with statement A and B

>>145792616
>>145791982

>lalallalalalala can't hear you

>hahaha what is wrong with statement A and B

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I turned my castle into Lemmings...

>>145793464
Good to see they're as suicidal as ever.

How would you program "Hitstop"?
On any hit, pause game for 1 tick?
pause animations?
Just the player?

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>>145793449
Still. Avoiding. The question.

Why do non OOPr's fuck up every thread with them sperging about the newest paradigm they "learnt" at university? Don't they have games to work on? Don't they realise this isn't the place?

They claim they want to teach but refuse to answer questions, pathetic. The worst thing is there might be a nugget of truth in what they are saying but since they aren't smart to teach it people will just get a sour association with non-oop and maybe miss out on a better paradigm.

>>145793946

I dont know exactly what you mean but in Unity the most simple way would be :
Time.timescale = 0;

>>145793946
Stop updating the characters for X time.

>>145793946
Pause all gameobjects (player, enemies, any moving items or obstacles) for # amount of ticks. Don't pause any background elements or other intangible objects.

>>145794062
hitstop is when you hit something and it freezes for like a frame

>>145794002

>implying anybody here has any responsibility to spoon feed anyone

I think this where I drop the let me google this for you link

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figured out some shit with my hexagon grid

probably not the best way to accomplish what i was trying to do, but better than the last attempt at least and i'll probably start it over once i've shaken the dust off

next up: settlements, roads, land tiles, dice rolls

>>145792557
Async/await are probably overkill for loading from a file, actually, but the theory is that they will make it so easy to write dialogue, you won't even need to load from files (you could still load the actual strings from files, just not the dialogue structure).

Do you agree? If so, I'd love to elaborate on the async/await method.

Tip: you learn everything you need to know about animation from boobs

>>145794528
They teach you a lot, but not everything e.g. how to animate effects like explosions, smoke

To those who've mastered GM:S (like I read some anon last thread saying who had 500 hours used on it), how did you go about doing so? Should I watch all the tutorials I can find ever until it sticks? Or perhaps read all the GMS books ever made? I've seen a bunch of channels over Youtube.

Basically I have a lot of free time and motivation and was wondering what was the best and more efficient way to go about it. I don't have any prior programming experiences but so far it's going well still I think.

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>>145794273
>The burden of proof lies with you, you stupid OOPr!

This is some next level fuckery

>>145794751
I would also like to know this. Share your wisdom anons. What are things you wish you had done differently when learning?

>>145789757
they also have more honor, unlike western textures

Tip: you learn everything you need to know about animation from boobs, explosions and smoke

>>145794273
>I'm gonna sperg about my paradigm of choice and if anyone asks me why its my favorite, I'm not the retarded one if I then refuse to explain why.

Please teach me those mental gymnastics

>>145794751
I watched Tom Francis videos, and then kept messing around. If I wanted to make something new, i'd just look at the GM docs and make it. Once I wanted to make some more complex things, like grids, I watched some videos on Youtube and learned it.

>>145794960
Add arcs to that list.

>>145794751
Do tutorials and such and make a game, like heartbeasts rpg tutorial, then add stuff by searching other tutorials and most importantly reading the GM:S manual.

The goal is figuring out all the in built mechanics of the engine, what it can do and how to do it most efficiently and the best way to learn that is to make a thing instead of just reading. You'll learn far more by doing, same for any coding.

>>145794405
>nested for loops
sure glad my language has vectorized operations

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>>145794002
you sound like you need a good dose of capitalistic programming theory, comrade

>>145794474
The problem isn't necessarily loading from files, it's that I don't quite understand how to design a system that will use the loaded scripts to affect game code.

So let's say I have json data that contains dialogue for an npc. Great. I put a dialogue component on an entity and have the dialoguesystem render out the dialogue when necessary.

Now..let's say that I need the npc to ask "Do you want to be healed" and have the player choose from options, and depending on the answer either kill the player, heal the player fully, or close the dialogue.

That's where I'm having trouble.

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>>145792658
>all debris perfectly still relative to each other

space does not work that way

>>145795063
I think you also has to study gesture drawing to make proper keyframes, right?

>>145795042
I'll check him out thanks.

>>145795079
Yeah I've already made two little games thanks to HB and I've started his RPG tutorial series a few days ago. My plan so far has been pretty much what you described; learning by doing.

I just thought I'd ask anyway, as anon said here >>145794884 I was curious about what people wish they had done differently in their journey. I'll keep it up anyway.

>>145795345
What program is that even? Never before have I seen it.

>>145795518
Not him but I'm pretty sure it's GMS's sprite editor.

>>145795635
I see

>>145795518
>>145795635
Or http://www.piskelapp.com/ maybe.

>>145795371

If I give them a push from the start they just infinitelly fly in some direction and they are gone. I could give them some roation though.

>>145794748
>implying explosions aren't just violently shaking boobs
>implying smoke isn't just boobs floating away gently

>>145795389
Obviously, but as far as animation goes:
>Boobs: stretch & squash
>Explosions & smoke: basically how to go about a good amount of effects (smoke, flash of light, the explosion itself, etc)
>Arcs: how to make motions visually appealing, how to work out walk cycles, timing, among other things

Of course there's far more to add, but you'd be a pretty technically competent animator already if you can do those well.

>>145795829
Some rotation would be good. You could only push some of them, like push 25% of the debris, that way there's some movement, but they wont all fly away.

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>>145794405
I'm really excited about your project!

>>145795852
No there's more to it. Boobs usually don't change color or break into pieces like an explosion unless you're doing some real damage to them but even if you did they wouldn't move the same way an explosion does and in the end it would be pretty much exploding boobs but that's just animating and explosion+boobs and not just boobs themselves

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>R is functional and OO

>>145796472
can't wait to see your game about time series analysis

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>>145796472
Arrr, matey!

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progress

>>145796737
>hook and pegleg on same side
I am triggered

>>145796930
what if he lost both of them to the same injury from the same side?

what happened to the guy with the star flybys and walking around inside the ship?

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Working on an auction house for my RPG. Anything to change in the mockup before I start implementing it?

The thing on the crossbow icon is a mouse highlight btw.

>>145791559

noice

>>145796984
There's nothing unrealistic about it but makes him visually unbalanced

>>145797139
Flew too close to the sun

Fact: if your team fighting mechanics can't be boiled down to Tank, Healer, DPS, then no one will play your game because it's too complicated.

>>145797174
What's the actual auction house mechanic like? I could give a couple of ideas based on what you're planning.

>>145775528
>67 times slower than C++
>likely not even properly optimized code
I'm so happy I'm writing my own shit.
>but takes months to set up a project when working solo
No I don't think so. Depends on if you're using a library of course. Implementing everything like writing your own platform layers and stuff is gonna take maybe two three months (full-time, less time the less ambitious you are of course).

But honestly if you don't know the engine you could choose (say you're picking between C++ and Unity, you don't know Unity) that's just time that you're gonna have to put down into learning the engine and its quirks.
>>145775785
Vulkan sees a lot of gain for high end games. But you don't have that kind of asset load.

>>145797587
Is a TF2 engineer a tank, healer or DPS?

>>145781259
https://springrts.com/
http://urho3d.github.io/samples/39_CrowdNavigation.html

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progress: I've made my first GI implementation

Should I boost the intensity or should I keep something sublte?

>>145797715
DPS?

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>>145796085

Okay, I did it pretty much as you said.

>>145797876
Isn't DPS also used in English?

>>145797823
>GI
global illumination?

>>145797963
Debris should spin proportionally to its mass. So smaller debris can spin very fast

>>145797876
If you're playing engie as a DPS class you're doing it wrong. Where the fuck are the teleporters

>>145797963
looks good now!

>>145797995
Yes. It is.
>>145797876
This guy should know this.
>>145797715
Engineer is a utility class.
>>145797587
You're wrong.

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>>145797617

Bid: Find item you want by navigating category buttons (stuff like Weapons, Equipment, Food, Materials, Components), click the icon, it loads up the info boxes at bottom right in this screenshot. Choose what price you want to try to bid, then click "Bid." The "Check" button is there to see what the item's past history is. Ignore the numbers on the weapon icons there, I'm cheating.The category icons and buttons also look like shit, but I'll come back to them I guess.

List: What my first screenshot is >>145797174, where the player can stock up to 10 items up for sale on the auction house. So they click an empty slot, navigate their inventory using the same category system, and then choose a minimum bid price (sort of like E-bay I guess?).

I've got a time passage system in my game, so the player will be periodically notified if any of their listed items are sold. Bidding is instantaneous.

>>145797876
double penetration science

>>145798158
No it's random (unless you simulate whatever created the debris). Large objects are very unlikely to spin quickly though.

>>145798053
more like poor man's global illumination right now ( I don't use any RSM; only VPLs); it's totally imprecise but at least it's real time

Does anyone have that triangle diagram where the points are Warrior, Rogue, and Mage and it is filled with different RPG classes that are near which base class they most derive from?

>>145798330
That's what I was getting at. Of course small objects can be slow and large object can be fast, but small objects can spin very quickly if pushed with only a little force.

I don't know how those dynmics would work in a field of debris that's had time to stabilize though. Would most of the fast moving small debris stabilize?

>>145797876
It's short for: damage per second

So instead of just going by attack strength or power, it also takes into account how fast you deliver that damage. So let's say a submachinegun in your game does 10 damage per bullet. It seems weak, but then when you take into account how fast it shoots, you can deliver massive amounts of damage in a short time frame.

Where as a melee weapon like a sledgehammer would do 50 damage per swing. It's more powerful per hit, but since you swing slower, you do less damage in the long term.

>>145798681
Derivative garbage. My game has Fightmen, Sneakyboys and Spelliers.

>>145795216
Actually, forget async/await. To make them work with this we need to implement a custom "awaitable" and "awaiter", but this is super poorly documented.

So I'll go with the regular AST method instead.

The general idea is that you break up dialogue into statements. A statement is something like "<participant> says <text>", "<participant> is healed", "choose between <statement> and <statement>", etc. It also makes things way simpler if the statements each say which statement should be next (null to end the dialogue branch). So you have an interface/base class for all statements that is then implemented/derived for each individual type. The "participant" can be something like a boolean - true for the player, false for the NPC.

Interpreting the dialogue is basically running it as a state machine (and now you know a great way to do this!). It's probably simplest if you put the information needed for interpretation inside the dialogue to begin with, e.g. the class for saying something includes the number of characters that have already been printed (starting at 0), for typewriter text. Otherwise, you'd first have to instantiate the dialogue into an otherwise identical structure that now has these fields - probably not worth it. Just be careful that you clone when you need to.

Example, realized the "statement holds next statement" approach was kinda hacky towards the end:
http://hastebin.com/kanavujuju.java

I'll make an article that learns from my mistake here, but hopefully this will get your foot in the door.

>>145798835
kek
stealing this thanks

>>145798778
very slow weapons also can be used by DPS characters

its just not popular

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>>145798835

>>145798696
Barging in on your discussion...

Isn't he in space? Why would the debris ever stop spinning?

Also large objects can definitely spin at the same speed or faster, but since they're larger it just seems like they're spinning slower.

Lastly, gravity is infinite. Nothing would ever 'stabilize' because there is always some other giant mass it would be affected by. Hell, it doesn't even need to be massive. It just needs to have some mass and you would still be affected by it however minuscule the effect might be.

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>>145798681
>>145798835
Found it (;

>>145799224
>Gravity is infinite
Its not though due to the vacuum energy discrepency, or rather it gets so small beyond a point it cannot be measured, which in scientific terms means that it doesn't exist.

Large objects tend to spin slower as it takes more energy to make them start spinning, momentum 101.

Objects spinning in "space" stop spinning rather quickly, again due to vacuum energy, a nearby sun blasting it with radiation (ever heard of a solar sail?) and it's not even close to a "space" vacuum at space stations heights in case you didn't know.

>>145799224
>Why would the debris ever stop spinning?
Same reason space stations slowly fall back to earth and need to be pushed back up once in a while. Space isn't completely empty.

>>145798835
I like that.

>>145798878
This is..... interesting. I'll take this example and try and run with it, see if I can't get something basic running tonight. Thanks a lot anon.

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>>145798835
My holy trinity of character classes are: Amazon, Elf, and Sorceress.

I went to a gamedev club meet up today.

Why do all you fuckers have rainbow hair?

>his game doesn't have a dynamic procedural class system

>>145799637
>you
You're mistaking us for the hipster walking simulator crowd

>>145799637
>implying we go outside