Deep Dungeon HYPE Edition
>Summary from the latest Live Letter:
http://pastebin.com/x3petsBx
>Current Event - Summer DLC Campaign (June 14—27)
http://www.ffxivredeem.com/
>Patch Notes:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/197e9c8b2f04efdecffe26bebe43b40551d1e3e8
>Resources, Guides, Free Companies and Linkshells:
http://pastebin.com/raw/p88PqskL
>Previously on /xivg/:
>>145593718
Fuck off Jaiba
Do I go back to pharaohcat or do I go blue?
>>145615791
I can smell the body odor from here
Arie is a cuck still crying over his internet boyfriend Celyn
>>145615630
stay inferior and lipless :)
>>145615647
hey man do what you want desu i just know if i end up going cat around the same time i'll never stop getting shit for it lol
whn is xiv going to have draenei
Just end your life Jaiba.
xth Mohammed going to bomb that canadian bp
xth for big head highlanders who dont fit in the maid attire
>>145615874
>>145615946
how about no
Post maids. More maid posts, better thread.
>>145615647
mooncat next time
>>145616005
Kill yourself
NeoGAF from Ultros is cancer. Follow by floor kissers, shitters, pedophiles, SJWs, etc.
>>145615897
Pharaohc@
>>145615926
I think the both of us would.
Such is tanned character life.
>>145616067
Mooncat mancat? Or mooncat kaori?
Should I bother with the Adept or Trailblazer gear you can get from the moogles? I don't know much about crafting or gathering, but I have all these kupo nuts.
>>145616061
This Kong's got style, so listen up dudes
She can shrink in size, to suit her mood
She's quick and nimble when she needs to be
She can float through the air and climb up trees
If you choose her, you'll not choose wrong
With a skip and a hop, she's one cool Kong
I missed the live letter but that list gives me hope.
Also, post husbando abdominals.
>>145615926
why does calling you a copycat make me a jealous white person
i'm just stating facts that all your characters are replicas of his with different eye color
>>145616159
No. no no no. Fibres are worth a lot. Wait until you get to 60 to gear up.
>>145615939
Yeah, took about 700+ casts but I got it two nights ago.
Now I can get back to work on trying to get all my gear up to scratch so I can do some big fishing.
>>145616061
xth for forgetting panties in public!
Has anyone got a meido code from pre-ordering an item on amazon?
>>145615920
you seem fairly perturbed to make several posts in such a short period of time my kin-who-is-not-my-kin
>>145616136
moon mancat
>>145615549
Well I am very happy that you like the new outfit. It is a bit of change for me but I really like it.
>>145616061
>>145616297
>you will never stumble upon someone who does this.
>When the director of the game says "brb smoke"
More than 30 mins for weeping city as healer...
me and shirou goin for a hike brr chilly up here heckin cold
Since my FC is giving me a bunch of mixed responses, is spell speed worth using on gear as a summoner? Not sure if spell speed works the same way as haste does in WoW when it comes to DoTs
*sticks pasta in the microwave*
dinner will be ready soon
>>145616136
the problem is that people like you a whole lot more than me :^)
i'm satisfied just knowing my long lost twin has good taste
>>145616231
okay but you still have no lips and i don't age like milk so really who wins?
>>145616457
Good players already got their clear by now in anticipation of groups of bads later in the week
Bad players are scared of doing it after last week
>>145616297
posts like this honestly disgust me
>>145615926
Related, I remember experimenting with a subtle lip color on my Xaela with since the lips are basically nonexistent
Kinda okay once you get used to it, but they're edgy enough to do without, and I liked angry eye facepaint better
>>145615910
>>145616236
relinking for discussion, actual RP intricacies and not futa degeneracy shit is refreshing
Should I EB him again?
Posting the only race that matters
>>145616561
share?
>>145616253
congrats
is it your wife's new home huhuhu
>>145616639
chocobo
>go through Amazon customer support to get my promo codes
>finally get them
>try to redeem them
>each unlock code has "already been registered"
Thanks, Square Enix and Amazon!
If I cancel my preorder and reorder it, will they send me a new code? This is pretty fucking stupid.
>>145616561
you should learn how to make noodles anon!
I make fresh noodles everyday and it is great!
>>145616639
Ironically, the male roes that don't push themselves are probably the coolest
>>145616559
det and crit are both better than spell speed for summoner.
K6I1 9RI2 T8O0 T121 I8A0
Maid code I don't need.
>>145616061
More butlers desu
>>145616551
cute
>>145616693
Nah it's a simulation of the EU servers cause sometimes a frog jumps out and ruins everything.
>>145616674
le catte post!!
>>145616674
Only if you share something with ME.
>>145616559
Crit is better because each DoT can crit.
Crit > Det > SS
Will I get in trouble for giving a friend an amazon code?
There are three things I currently want over $20 and was gonna order them separately
>>145616834
Those spats are too tight
last word, idiot??
>>145616976
It'll be fine, booboo
>>145616834
le catte reaction image post!!!
cat pits~!
>>145616834
hehe
le cate!!!
>>145616790
>>145616958
Thanks. I just got into endgame stuff, so I had almost no clue what to do when it came to materia and such
>>145617042
Are you sure Yogi?
>>145616173
da fug is this
i need something to pump..
Have I come in time for the birth of an epic new meme?
Hold up, Alisaie is cannon?
Does that mean Bahamut is cannon too?
>>145617150
walnuts, peanuts, pineapple smells
grapes, melons, oranges and coconut shells
>talking to friends in linkshell
>faggot jumps into the conversation
>they all start talking to him
>logout
fuck off
>>145617160
anon are you dumb
>>145617267
>being a butthurt autist that doesn't know how to commandeer attention back to themselves
kys
>>145616601
I did it 3 times yesterday and didn't get a drop
>>145617160
Bahamut was a primal, not a cannon you idijit.
>>145617160
Nigga did you even watch the opening cinematic of the game?
>>145617160
What the fuck?
>>145616783
Why not
POST YFW INCOMING SCHOLAR NERFS
SCHOLARFAGS GET BENT
>>145617451
Look at what happened the first time around.
>cummies
>bussy
>futa
anyone who uses these words regularly in their vocabulary are either sociopaths or mentally ill.
>>145616947
im sorry i have nothing to offer you
>>145617501
What if he's changed
>>145617520
i'm going to blow my futa cummies in your bussy anon :3
>>145617472
>AST is garbage
>better nerf SCH
>>145615897
This, but the hair is trash.
>>145617472
>pet heals now uses your mind stat
>cleric stance pet heals will be trash
>>145617472
I play astrologian too
I'm a monk and I don't contribute shit
but ignore that, look at muh bootshine crit
>>145617579
He hasn't.
>>145617579
Beepy no...
>>145616426
>e-liquid containing nicotine is illegal to sell in Japan
>Yoshida will never use vaping to quit smoking
>Yoshida will die of lung cancer within your lifetime
;_;
>>145617650
>the white mage will now have to heal even more
I don't think you understand what SCH nerfs means
>>145617823
>ywn chase clouds with yoshida on the roof of sqeenix hq
>>145617239
what did he mean by this
>>145617650
>mfw scholars will still hump cleric stance after fairy nerf and let the other healer do majority of the work
>>145617702
MNKs make things die fast
>>145617832
ASTs fail to understand that nerfing SCH healing only will put more pressure on the main healer, which WHM already excels at. Better nerf WHM next :3
>>145618000
>after fairy nerf
You talk like they don't do that already
>>145617160
yes annon they were both cannons!
>>145617917
Cloudchasers go away reeeeeeeee.
give males maid outfits
>>145617818
Not beepy.
>>145617725
How do you know?
>>145617948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcP91tQ4ZSM
>>145618108
give females butler outfits
>>145618172
Don't fall for his games, Anon. He had a chance.
>>145618042
>t. nervous sch shitter
You make it seem like the only way to nerf SCH is to nerf the fairy ;)
They call me Tuproc Shakur, i'm sure you've probably heard of me
I'm the greatest monk in the game, this is absolute certainty
>>145617650
I don't get this sort of thing.
Isn't part of the big reason why people like Scholars the fact they can just do so much damage? How would nerfing the fairy do anything but make the WHM heal more? WHMs are already arguably better for 4mans, if not just as good as Scholars.
>calls himself proci
>MNK doesn't even have skills that proc
Post houses I need decoration ideas.
>>145618330
It doesn't matter what they nerf. If SCH healing drops at all, groups will immediately push to have the main healer overcome the difference before the SCH will be expected to. And if the a6s nerfs say anything it's that they aren't going to try and force the off-healer to simply heal more through heavy raid damage because that's too hard for most people.
>>145616425
Maybe I should have worn panties when travelling to Haukke...all these giant voidsent eyes are staring.
>>145618435
Haymaker
>>145618108
who's this cute kitten and does he like catboys
>>145618347
WHMs ARE better than SCH for 4mans, but that's mainly due to set up time. Holy + Assize + Aero III shits on SCHs AoE because they can't set it up quickly enough for it to matter before everything dies.
People like scholars because their fairy is MP free, shits out a ton of healing and utility, and they have great sustained DPS. If you take the fairy away, people argue that all it will mean is that WHM's will have to heal more, but I doubt that.
Fairy is too invaluable to just throw away and expect a WHM/AST to cover
>>145618347
don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure SCH has the lowest offensive potency, at least against single targets.
>>145618610
is it cringe hour already
>>145618347
WHMs have the highest dps and healing of all 3 healers, the issue with WHM is that its limited by their bad mp regen so they can't dps too much or they'll go out of mana pretty quickly. They're also limited to how their dps works, since most of their dps comes from stone III spam, they need to sit on cleric to dps, while scholars only really need to be on cleric to apply dots and go back to healing.
>>145618808
ugly
>>145618725
Remove fairy, now any DPS WHM did before will be heals.
There
>>145618661if you're on levi yes
>>145618435
>not using haymaker
>>145618435
He calls himself Lauren.
>>145618743
Which is meaningless because AST/WHM can't keep up the sustained damage for more than a few minutes without running out of mana.
>>145618725
WHMs are only better on the pulls where they can unleash chain holy with assize and aero 3. Now that there are so many gated pulls(fuckyou yoshi), SCH is ideally better because it can have the same consistent DPS on every pull no matter what. Where as WHM is more suited to nuking down several large pulls because they won't have the resources to do that on every pull.
Guys, if the fairy gets nerfed, what if the new meta is to have WHMs solo heal and have 2 bards constantly rotating through ballad?
Even with 20% damage reduction from ballad, a bard can do more dps than a scholar.
>>145618172
If it doesn't work the first time, it won't a second or third time.
>>145618330
If they nerf scholar I think they will either go after the shield crits (nbd imo) or the pet. I think if they really nerf it, instead of just some token gesture, they will want to reduce the effectiveness of the job while in clerics, or somehow make it so that you don't spend 90% of every fight in clerics.
The real implication of that, assuming you're considerate and don't want to totally fuck over your WHM, is that DPS players are going to need to make up for the loss of the scholar's DPS. That puts the ball in the DPS' court, no more 75th percentile shitters passing checks because you've got a 90th percentile scholar.
>>145618986
>haymaker
>proc
Since SCHs have such good MP management, why not also have the fairy draw from their MP pool? Give Embrace half the MP cost of Physick, Whispering Dawn the same cost as Succor.
>>145618910
>All of fairy's healing can be covered with a couple of cure Is
>Expecting a WHM with already mediocre MP management to cover all of that
>Implying what wouldn't happen is that SCHs would just DPS a bit less and heal more
That's not how this works, have you raided before?
>>145619123
>discarding all the valuable mitigation tools a SCH brings because muh dps
>>145618743
AST actually has the lowest (only three dots, no oGCD damage abilities), but they make up for it when they apply aoe Arrow/Balance.
>>145618910
SCH entitlement, everyone.
I want topet_Jaiba!
>>145618808
>>145619368
You only need mitigation if damage goes higher than the mp pool of players.
>>145619429
All this mp talk.. meant HP pool.
Please assist SCHs, I asked in the morning but got no responses.
599 Accuracy builds for SCH
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UIWP using Midan Codex
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UIWR using relic
+1 WD, +7 crit, +44 ss, +36 PIE, +7 VIT
vs
+13 MND, +34 det
the PIE and VIT from Codex build might be superfluous, I dunno how 7 crit and 44 ss compares to 34 det and how 1 WD compares to 13 MND though.
>>145619429
>>145619573
This is true though.
WHM solo heal can brute force fights like Thordan and Seph once everyone has sufficient MP and dps are killing things fast enough.
>>145619429
And in any realistic encounter where it's used as insurance. Don't bother responding if you're gonna recite some arbitrary "well if x happens, then y should be no issue" scenario that only looks good on paper.
It's so dusty in here! Is...is that a hole in the wood beneath me?
>>145619691
I'll give you the good ol' "the game has telegraphed attacks" reply instead.
>ywn have a cute meido to bully with your cock
why life
>>145619671
Use sweetfish and drop the crafted acc
Is proci's static dead yet? My WAR quit the game and I hear stratos is good.
>>145616005
jaiba i wub u
>>145620032
you heard wrong
Aether Healer queued up for A7S final phase progression in raid finder, if any of you need a spare tonight.Does anyone even use this thing?
>>145620087
is that caryn
what did you guys do with your old 210 armor and jewelry? im a new 60 and i don't know if i should vendor it or if theres a way to break it down
>>145620256
>>145620256
>raid finder
I have the same question
dropping one accessory and using sweetfish would put me at 573 because there isn't enough accuracy to get the full benefit from it. Would have to do at least one accuracy meld instead of vit to compensate. mitebcool
>you will never vape with naka
>he will never take a fat rip from your vape and seal his lips to your boypussy
>he will never fill your guts with dank cloud
why live
>>145618323
Im not falling for anything
>>145619131
Are you sure
Does reporting people in-game for harassment actually do anything?
>>145620527
at 240 you dont really need any vit melds at all
>>145620368
You can turn it in for GC seals I think, use then use the seals for whatever you may need.
>>145620863
>Getting bullied
fag
>>145620863
It does more than reporting gil sellers
>>145620863
It does more than reporting them for botting.
>>145620915
Yeah but....I already have them
>>145620863
yes, I got a warning for shit talking a bad tank in CT a year ago
Who are the most fertile c@s on balmung?
>>145619868
Source please.
I want mado to fart on my dick
>>145621107
Suhr Zarek
>>145620863
Yes. A GM sent my character to prison and told me to stop after I had stalked a guy through his FC's webpage to facebook and started linking him pictures of his baby after he had tried to take my fleece farming spot.
>>145621078
>friend gets reported for calling someone a faggot
>didnt get a warning for telling saying his mother should die in a ditch
I saw the email too, kinda weird.
>>145621107
>fertile
unless you mean good sperm, none of them are women.
>>145621107
Mafuyu Laeh
Which slut on balmung has the most sensitive soles?
>twitch tv/mtqcapture
AST limitations, LEL
>>145618480
Check this
>>145620863
Yes! Once I reported a cat who was being really mean by offending me constantly for how my character looks.
Got a GM in like 5 min.
>>145619396
>>145620119
Aww, you two are so kind! ~
>SCH gets nerfed
>preferred comp changes to WHM+AST
>noct ast feeds ewers for the WHM so both can dps and heal
>healers can be healers but still contribute with dps
RIP sch
>>145620985
I wasn't getting bullied. Dude was bullying a new-ish tank.
>>145621156
lol
>>145621171
He probably didn't get a warning because your friend didn't report him for saying that. They only give a shit if you report them.
When are Apartments?
>when the voidsent steals some fellow paladin's equipment
my work never ends
>>145621585
They're aiming for 3.4
I just transferred to Balmung. Any good Free Companies here?
>>145618480
I try to keep my room comfy and make it look bigger than it is.
http://imgur.com/a/PVNWv
>>145621234
Whisper me, Liora Nae'blis.
>Go into new content and say you're new and didnt read a guide
>The other healer/tank pulls anyway then yells at you and quits after one wipe if anything isnt perfect
>>145620945
ok thanks anon
>>145621626
So? you dont even wear the armor you get
>post yfw exploring as a butler
>>145620863
Yes. People being an ass to someone new? Report them. People being an ass in alliance chat? Report them. Vote dismissed for no reason? Report the entire party.
SE takes things that people do that might make other people want to quit the game (and cancel their sub) very seriously.
>>145621290
>>145621924
I've reported people twice for shit they say, and got responses within two hours. It's crazy fast how they are with this.
>>145621924
This almost never actually does anything unless there was serious verbal abuse. Merely getting a response from a Gm saying "Well look into it" doesnt mean they were banned.
>bismark daily trial
>shitty ninja gets knocked off the edge 3 pulls in a row
>complains how its impossible to play with "ffxiv's shitty lag"
>say I'm not lagging at all, its just his isp
>he fucking loses it and tells me to "learn what a fucking trace route is" and calls me autistic
>all I say is "fix your internet"
>and he explodes during the whole fight bitching in party chat, and constantly misses his nardo an hero no jutsu hand signals, and falls off again
>>145620863
NO, GMs ARE FUCKING GARBAGE AND WONT HELP YOU
Some people keep stalking me and I reported them a countless amount of time. It's fucking annoying.
Was Garuda murder because the DPS wasn't killing Razor Plumes? I haven't had that much trouble keeping people up since uh. Like. Ever.
>want to do Neverreap to get items to desynth
>get it by chance in roulette
>end up with a fresh 60 tank and a healer on PS3 with a third world connection
Be careful what you wish for, people. Because you just might get it.
>>145622235
>constantly misses his nardo an hero no jutsu hand signals, and falls off again
holy kek, fucking DF ninjas man, can never trust them. did he have a japanese name?
>>145622235
DPS in that fight piss me off so much. Even overgeared to shit they still can't meet the DPS check in EX.
Was Weeping City savage actually mentioned?
>>145621251
They just cleared tho.
Killed the thingie
>>145621251
MIDAN
METAL
GREATSWORD
>>145622562
People jokingly asked about it
>all the new hairstyles clip through coat collars
>>145622562
He laughed at the idea.
I'm glad they thought Void Ark was too easy. It really is way too fucking easy and it's so boring because of it.
>>145622805
short hair is best, duheven without clipping
>>145622805
>my dick clips through your mom
>>145621116
Don't bother it's just some ugly roach.
Is there a good model viewer that has animations?
>>145619868
>ywn frug anzu bussy
>>145623278
the game
>less concubines on balmung than any other server so far
how the fuck did i even manage
Is it gay if you erp as female?
who fukken /2chesta7sclear/ here?!
>>145623318
Besides the game.
>>145623435
then the answer is no
>>145623361
>Going into the city of sluts and being surprised you can't find someone that won't walk away the second you zip your pants up.
>>145623361
Max Viddion bullied them off the server
>>145623395
technically, no.
Predictions for the amount of mistakes and misinformed information that will be in mizzteq's a8s guide?
>>145623361
supply and demand, retard
Why is Sugi still alive?
>>145623645
You can always watch the mr happy guide.
>>145623645
i don't care, i'd still rather watch their videos than Mr Happy
>>145623765
Mr Happy doesn't even have his clear
>>145623796
I'd rather watch her streams than Mr.Happy
>mfw she talks about her butt sweat
>>145623662
what does that even mean
>>145623520
who said i was looking for love or some shit
i mean literally i haven't even found a qt to put an internet video game collar on yet
>>145623918
>>145623747
Why is beepy still alive?
>>145624085
>>145623747
they both have hordes of asspatters
>>145619370
SSS says WHM > AST > SCH.
>>145623918
Someone here was talking about their buttsweat when they fap to ebins and how it made their butt all swampy so, whats the difference?
>>145624258
I thought beepy deleted all of his characters. Or was he just manipulating again?
>>145624318
>Believing everything you read on the internet
>>145624447
mELtDoWn
>>145621251
Why would you intentionally gimp your DPS this late into the raid cycle with a WHM when all of their heals are superfluous
Don't be dumb
>>145624318
MTQ is a girl. Her buttsweat smells like lavender and tastes sweet. man buttsweat is gross.
>>145624574
>gimping
>implying an acc-capped WHM wouldn't be doing more dps than that AST is throwing out cards
>tfw your husbando becomes the ultimate husbando with the butler suit
GOD
BLESS
>>145624574
where's your a8s clear with AST
>>145624304
>>145619370
and SSS is what i based it on.
i'm wondering how much of the expected solo dps for those checks is based on AST carding themselves and Malefira's 200 potency vs Broil's 170 at the same cost.
>>145624574
i can't hard carry my shitty sch with my ast though
>>145624592
Mizzteq has some dick sucking LIPZ
>>145624592
Exactly! My point is that we should all be used to buttsweat conversations and have a actual girl bring that conversation is way less gross.
>>145624574
To be fair i was watching the stream and the scholar was barely dpsing, even on parts where healing wasn't necessary at all.
>>145616174
can you HQ moogle quest items for extra exp on turn in or am I retarded for thinking this
>>145624740
why aren't you answering my question
why would you intentionally gimp your DPS this late into the raid cycle with a WHM when all of their heals are superfluous
>>145624927
I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wasn't grossed out.I was aroused.
>>145625003
No, quest shouldn't even accept HQ if it doesn't ask for HQ.
>>145625003
try it and let me know
>>145625015
Where are your AST clears. if AST is so good why are the top tier players who are clearing a8s not using them all the time. Why are there 20x more WHM clears than AST clears.
Post andjudgethem lads
>>145625003
you can HQ the crafts for extra EXP from the crafts themselves, you can get up to like 250-300% bonus experience iirc.
>>145625003
Quest experience will remain the same, but the experience from crafting it will be High Quality.
>>145624927
so it was a shitty sch then
>>145625015
What that other guy said. Where are the AST clears?
>>145625260
that's filtered to only groups that have both a whm and an ast in them jackass
>>145625260
b-b-b-b-but noct AST is fine!
>>145624927
I'm pretty sure you have to save mp for the Fire tornado phase or you are fucked specially because the AST can't carry that phase like WHM does. DPSing as as SCH drains your mp pretty quickly.
>>145625096
get out of the quicksand, lad
>>145625091
you still aren't answering my question
>>145625413
I've only been playing a few months ;-;
>>145625096
I'm only 2 days old!
>>145625096
>>145625379
>>145625260
Literally who said anything about replacing a SCH with an AST
who mentioned SCH, find me the post.
Stop being autistic, there are tons of AST/SCH clears
>>145625417
you're not answering mine either. The answer is the healing is not superfluous, obv, and the tools a WHM has even when not healing surpass AST anyway. AST is only good for padding one person's parse, that's the only reason anyone brings them along.
>>145625524
you mean 1/9 as many as there are WHM clears, counting the people who already cleared on WHM and then went ast later
>>145625379
It is in pvp.
>>145625454
post selfie
ARI COME BACK
YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME
>>145625668
lmao what a fukken fag
>>145625091
>>145625260
i mean i don't have a horse in this race but the #1 DPS in A8S was in a party with an AST.
>>145625096
I don't really wanna talk about it.
>>145625735
Obviously. But what practicality is there in buffing a single person's parse. That group's overall DPS is trash. Look at that SCH DPS.
I'm switching my main from diurnal AST to SCH.
I just got the job to 60 a couple days ago as my static reshuffles and I honestly have no fucking idea what I'm doing, can't even find a good guide.
Outside of my opener, should I be saving Aetherflow stacks for healing and mitigation purposes until the cooldown is about to reset, then use them for Energy Drains?
When exactly should I be using Sacred Soil? is it worth it to use it for single raid busters like Bioarithmetics or should I use it only on short periods of intense raid damage like phase 3 Nignogg Akh Mhorn? Is it ever worth using just to mitigate tank damage?
What should I be saving Rouse for, if anything? Should I just use it on CD if nothing particularly demanding is coming, or should I save it just in case?
Is Emergency Tactics useful for anything besides doing the main healer's job for them?
Should I ever use Dissipation to help the main healer through tough parts, or is it just for when they die?
>>145625096
Working on BLM next very slowly. I really just love healing and mining dragonskin maps for money.
>>145625786
Forgot my image.
>>145625668
what happened?
>>145625878
>Is Emergency Tactics useful for anything besides doing the main healer's job for them?
This motherfucker doesn't even main SCH yet and already has the mentality of one.
>>145625948
Last I heard their static lost Banos and I guess they couldn't find a new one.
Guess he's moving to Gilgameshlike everyone else ;_;
>>145625096
Character made in February.
>>145625865
>"group's overall DPS is trash"
>11:29 clear
>compared to 10:47 being the fastest clear
okay you really need a better argument.
>>145625735
only one group in the top 10 for guild speed has an AST on A8S, and it's like 50 seconds behind the #1
overall kill speed is more what you'd want to look at
>>145625792
cute 10/10
>>145625260
Huh. I mean I'm not one of those people deluded enough to defend Noct AST, but I would have figured that SOMEONE would have managed to do it just to basically prove that they're good enough to do it.
It is /realgoblinhour/ my dudes
>>145616174
>>145625649
k
>>145626245
I can't tell if you're wearing pants or you're just trying to make mepuke
>>145626319
post pits
>>145626319
I NEED to breed this cat
>>145626043
Moving to gilga in hopes of finding a static is pretty dumb desu.
>>145626371
I'm wearing the SMN esoterics pants
>>145626319
who is this fluid feline
>>145626245
go away jaiba
>>145626071
if ur not first ur last
a wise man once said "it don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning"
>>145626437
Too late you have to clean out my trash can it's full of vomit
>>145626319
Cute kitten... yes
>>145624950
>long hair
absolute bleh
>>145625735
>"GUYS, ONE GROUP HAS A REALLY GOOD PARSE WITH AST!"
>"AST IS BETTER THAN WHM SEE!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>145626108
are you bullshitting me, the parse i linked with the #1 DPS for A8S parses is only 42 seconds behind the fastest group, and they're 13th.
you're literally arguing that AST is unviable because there's only one AST in the top ten clears by speed for A8S?
>>145626385
>>145626397
no
>>145626454
me
xth for old women
>>145626043
>another person falling for the Gilgamesh meme
That server just needs to implode on itself already.
>>145626559
>definitive, irrefutable proof with the only objective metric that matters
>muh one raid group
how are people doing this evening?
>>145626582
uh
no?
Why do I gotta be grumpy looking all the time?
I got this nice suit finally and all I can do is look mildly pissed off while I'm wearing it.
>return since not playing since 3.1
>server suddenly infested with DRGs
The fuck happened? It wasn't like this when I left, now the only melee I see are DRGs and the occasional NIN.
>>145626683
Thanks doc
>>145626602
who is this hottie
post butt...
>>145626640
That group is an exception. Show me the 100s of AST clears for Brute Justice. Oh wait, you can't because there aren't even 100 AST clears compared to WHM.
Why aren't all groups running AST if it's so good?
>>145625524
>Stop being autistic, there are tons of AST/SCH clears
>30 SCHs cleared A8S with a AST on party
>346 SCHs cleared A8S with a WHM on party
>0 records of AST+WHM pairings
AST is viable
Why is DF so bad, /xivg/
>>145626683
cute green
>>145626701
Opposite problem on mine. Fucking nins everywhere and some monks, but not many shitgoons.shitgoons have by far the best armor design in this expansion, goddamn do they look goodwhile monk look like clowns most of the time.
>>145626791
AST IS VIABLE GUYS !!
>tried to make elezen
>came out kinda eh...
>>145626591
paris a cute
jeph a handsome
>>145626791
>Say AST/SCH
>Proceeds to talk about AST/WHM
Anon can you even fucking read
Do you have brain damage? Because nobody can be this autistic
>>145626845
Weren't you shitting on the Mateus cats a while ago?
Would FSH be the easiest DoH to get to 50 because of how their leves work? I just want an extra map a day
>>145626774
What's even worse is that 90% of the ASTs you look at out of the 30, if you go to their page, they have clears on WHM too. Their first clear (maybe even first few) is with WHM.
Even LESS people are running AST for progression. Most ASTs on that scoreboard are in a group that's already farming A8S. Often times, their fastest WHM clear is far faster than their AST clears too. It speaks even more for the state of the job.
>>145626582
AST's should go prove their viability to statics they want to join and leave the rest of us well doingWHM'salone.lol
>>145626774
inb4 muh stigma
There are plenty of PLD clears despite their stigma. There are plenty of MNK clears despite their stigma.
>>145626774
Because the truth of the matter is most groups don't care to compete for parses and if WHM is easy then players will choose the path of least resistance. Basically the casual shitter mentality that made no one do the first implementation of savage coil, no one was hardcore enough to give up free loot for bragging rights. Bitch niggas probably play choose easy/normal if there's a difficulty setting in any other game.
Why does AST not have as many clears as WHM if it's so great? Why haven't all WHMs switched to AST if it's so good and exactly the same healing? We'll never know the answer because AST faggots can't explain it.
>>145626640
>>145626582
Don't bother guys, this is literally the only place on the internet that still meme spouts that AST is unviable and it can't be taken into content
You go literally anywhere else and they'll talk about the situation involving AST, but you come here and you get autists like
>>145626559
meme spouting all day long
>>145626942
no? maybe i pasted the mashitus pasta in discord before because it's funny how chemo just throws shit into whatever words he feels like it
i've never shit on the mateus cats especially the purple one because she's great
>>145626683
I'm going to be hitting this dummy every goddamn day until i'm the best.
>>145627036
>WHM is easy
BUT AST IS EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!
IT'S NOT HARDER TO CLEAR ON AST THAN WHM !!!!!!!!
>>145627058
>A class being popular or not means it's good
Are you autistic, Kazegami
You literally argue the same point every single time, and it doesn't even make sense.
>>145626945
Eh, FSH may be easier early on when you can plop down in one spot and.. sit there forever while chatting but ultimately IMO they all take about the same effort to hit 60 with.
>>145627109
I believe in you anon, I look forward to seeing you rise a little bit more toward the top every day
Oh boy, yet another
>A-AST IS BAD GUYS, I SWEAR.
>T. NERVOUS SHITTER WHM
thread.
winky face
>>145626937
Is this a meme now where people blatantly ignore the majority of a post because it suits them, and then they claim the poster is autistic?
>>145627172
Then, as you and other's are saying, WHM isn't viable, because you yourself said it's exactly the same.
This whole AST viability scheme makes me think of theMeleecommunity.
>"Captain Falcon is viable guys!"
>meanwhile Cap hasn't won a major in years
Viability is secured by proof of victory, people.
>>145626748
Can't right now.
>hottie
I have been told I am refreshing compared to the heaps of pale-skinned face 2s, but "hottie" is a stretch.
>>145627319
Just ignore it, we call it ASTposting. They can't handle facts too well.
>>145625878
PLEASE RESPOND
He's awake.
Cease all game discussion right now.
>>145627186
a class being popular among groups beating the hardest fight in the game IS significant. This isn't overall general population numbers. And why do you feel compelled to say my name here? Did Ayase's autism infect you while you raided together, Bokchoy? You literally got your clear the week before catch-up patch, I don't know why you think you're an expert.
And I argue the same point every time because no one offers a proper explanation. Raid groups doing a8s don't give a shit about stigma, they will run what works. If AST is allegedly so superior to WHM it would have way more clears than it does.
>>145627058
I don't know if AST is good or not but I've been playing WHM for 2 and a half years by now so I wouldn't really feel as comfortable switching for a marginal gain on paper.
I'm pretty sure if I did switch, I'd do worse than as WHM.
>>145627407
only if you post lewd sluts
Should I fanta to Hyur, Elezen, or Au Ra?
>>145627295
Thanks. Had a friend help me fine-turn my opener. Halfway to memorizing it, and then once it's muscle memory to put in practice in DF and normal Alex runs.
>>145627570
Elezen
>>145627570
post all 3
Which ebins really hate each other?
>>145627467
>bullying someone who had to raid with ayase
you're basically spitting on a vietnam war veteran
Finally got my butler set.
I preorderedXV. ...I hope I don't regret it
>>145627570
Make one of each and post imgur to album.
>>145627705
Not my fault. They got their clear and decided "time to go onto reddit and argue about healers! because I'm an expert now!" Had to strategically wait for that clear otherwise he could've been called out for not having it done yet.
>>145627312
>>145627378
>Can't right now.
Booooooo! Shame.
>I have been told I am refreshing compared to the heaps of pale-skinned face 2s, but "hottie" is a stretch.
Don't make fun of my tastes. I find your character hot as heck and that ain't changing.
Did anyone else switch to monk just so they can be the conqueror?
>>145627736
>msyu meido
im kill
>>145627467
>a class being popular among groups beating the hardest fight in the game IS significant.
This, all AST buffs on the past months were based on savage clear numbers and on JP player feedback. He doesn't buff classes just because people complain.
>>145627570
male or female? this is important
>>145627663
I hate all of them
>>145627802
Oh gosh, someone cleared the relevant content to obtain the experience for it and then discussed it? I guess they're the devil. How rude to not be like anon shitposting with no relevant experience to back it up.
>Avatarfags panicking and trying to force ebin drama to stop game discussion
Every fucking time
>>145627859
Fuck off you thirsty shit.
>>145627398
eos seems a lot bigger in this picture than she is in game
You guys can't into reading? Processing numbers?
AST numbers are lower than WHM for flat healing just compare the skills yourself and SCH is just too damn overpowered in HW to ever be replaced, their kit is overdone and they have too many useful tools.
So its easy, you are in progression, you need that extra healing so you go WHM. After you get your loot and gear and shit is easy, you can just use AST to pad your numbers. Why are you guys so passionate about this shit anyways? Its not like you are locked to your job in this game, you can change freely between them, why would you not have all the healers leveled in this game if you plan to heal in raids? Thats the least you can do, understand all the jobs related to your role.
Jesus Christ you guys are autistic.
Post godspeed material
Bleh, it's so hot. I should have packed something shorter and lighter! I'll probably need to bathe in the springs nearby, too.
>>145628089
>tfw no huge Eos
>>145628136
This.
Every tank should be expected to know the 3 tanks, healer the 3 healers, and same for casters and ranged.
Hell, as a NIN I keep my MNK as geared as possible just in case it's needed.
>>145625878
>>145627398
AF should always be on CD but when you use stacks depends on the fight, your group and your co-healer. Don't duplicate effort with your WHM, let the fairy and regen ticks do their work. I use mine more often for energy drain than I do for healing, but lustrate and indom are clutch. If you know the tempo of a fight and how damage comes out you will know whether you can use them for damage or healing. I will use stacks for more healing when I am learning a fight, Indom is broken as fuck.
Sacred Soil is for big hits and high raid damage when people are stacked it's the same as CU.
Rouse should ALWAYS be on CD, it's the most powerful healing spell you have.
Emergency tactics is extremely useful for topping a raid with succor. You can use it for tank busters too and for Living Dead. It's a very good skill and people don't use it enough.
I only use Dissipation for extra energy drain stacks for damage and rarely at that, usually for a fight that I have on farm. If the damage is intense enough to warrant a healing buff you can use Eos, who is crazy powerful
>>145628321
This is what most groups do, and they still settle for WHM over AST, but will go DRK over PLD even though PLD is easier to work around for most situations except when living dead immunity time is OP
>>145627312
stop impersonating me pls
Who is the most annoying avatarfag?
>>145628136
I have no idea.
When PLD was less desired than DRK, people switched classes without complaining.
When MNK was less desired than NIN/DRG, they switched too.
When BRD was less desired than MCH, they also switched.
But when ASTs have been asked to switch to WHM or SCH, they go into these huge complaining fits. It doesn't make sense.
>>145628609
ippiki
>>145628609
me
jk I don't even avatarfag anymore I'm washed up ebin at this point I just run a shitty linkshell
>>145628393
I should add that I am not good and I am not familiar with a7s/a8s or nid ex since I quit in march and just came back
>>145628609
That would be me.
>>145627859
Why two of the same?
feels good man
>>145628473
Except that every big raiding static wet dream is being able to use ASTs cards to boost their numbers, they just don't do it because AST still has a hard time clearing the healing checks unless them and their group are crazy geared.
Just ask any healer worth their salt what their group want them to do, the dps thirst for those Balances dude, they wanna put big numbers in the fucking fflogs. They just don't do it because its not all groups that are good/equipped enough for it.
>>145628683
WHO are you anyway?
>>145628746
exactly....
>>145628609
you
>>145628136
2.0, 3.0 and most likely 4.0 raiding doesn't permit that flexibility as those updates usually bring job locked gear.
Also one thing that sucks as healer is that there isn't a way of measuring a good one from a bad one so people go by trust and people don't trust ASTs right now and all 3 classes play somewhat different to the point a great WHM won't be a great SCH or a great AST as each healer heals differently each phase.
>>145628683
Give Naka back to the people you dick.
>>145628709
they're adorable
>>145626591
>me
wanna get EBd I'm a highlander man
>>145628867
no cage can hold me
>>145628874
>TWO goblin sized onaholes
perfect!
>>145628136
>Calls other people autistic for not autsiticly playing every goddamn class
Lol?
>>145629071
Gibe butt.
>>145628557
post fresh cute putt pls. I NEED it
>>145629191
>>145629113
>Playing 3 jobs is autistic and hard
Why are you even replying to me?
>go to Limsa to buy some stuff
>see this
what to do?
>Customer Service didn't want to give me my code on the spot
>told me to wait
>Got my code on day after ordering
>Got game one day earlier than due.
Not even mad anymore. Time to try out sm4sh while I wait on these XIV timers.
>>145629113
>autsiticly playing every goddamn class
Jobs within the same role play the exact same with some slightly different tools.
You're a fucking retard.
>>145629363
well they arent paedophiles so....
Do you
>>145629363
>2 catfags and a squintylander
I turn 360 degrees and moonwalk away to oogle at some actually attractive men aka male ra and elezen.
like
maids...?
>>145629521
But if you 360 and moonwalk you'll still be looking at them.
>>145629475
Actually before someone spergs out on me, I'll correct myself and say BLM and SMN play very differently.
>>145629584
I need to be certain that they don't follow me
>>145629363
gay?
>>145629596
AST, WHM and SCH don't play the same.
For a good example just consider how each class heals through nidhogg ex ahk morn as if they were solo healing the fight.
Ah yes, the "doing relic for no reason at all" meme. A vintage!
>145629517
>145629527
>145629545
Only the hyur. The other two are badly done cats. Also know what you want and I'm not giving it to you.
>>145628646
That's not the case at all.
WHMs being asked to go AST are throwing just as much of a shitfit. You mention how they can be switched out and endless supply of memes and pointless NUH UHS pop out of nowhere.
>>145629761
AST and WHM are 1:1 in like 2/3 of their skills
>>145629784
Why do you hate yourself?
>>145629836
I know, i play all 3 healers. But consider that situation i've mentioned.
>>145627319
>Post gives examples of how AST can replace WHM
>Resort to shitposting about SCH and Nocturnal Sect and completely irrelevant information
You should be smart enough to realize you're perpetuating the same meme you're calling others out on, I have no where people get this shit from
>>145629895
i really wish i was dead
>>145629517
>>145629527
>>145629545
I like Naka being free to use bussy.
>>145629951
There is a better way to hurt yourself than doing relic. Relic is just mean.
>>145629836
They're two very different flavours of the same dish.
Things like Aspected Benefic doing some healing upfront while having a shorter duration and how Essential Dignity works along with its shorter cooldown compared to Tetragrammaton actually end up making a huge difference in how the jobs play, even if they're very similar on paper.
>145629909
>Giving himself a (You)
>will probably HTML edit and "prove" I am wrong
kek :^)
>>145627802
>Someone clears and then discusses their clear and experience is a bad thing
You're kidding, right?
Sorry, maybe everyone should be more like half of the retards here and post nothing but cat pictures and talk about drinking other peoples' piss.
>>145628874
whuddup kid
>>145629943
>posting FFlogs clears data is now irrelevant
>145629909
>giving yourself (You)s
doesn't count m80
>>145630113
omg EW, this makes me think of that gif of that person in the creepy ass bugs bunny suit sitting on a toilet and like beckoning someone to sit next to him.
>>145630178
>Talking about an argument nobody brought up isn't suddenly relevant
Kazegami is as autistic as he is bad at the game and theorycrafting.
Is Max Viddion the next Kam Nidar?
>>145630343
no, but you're the next autistic homo i'm going to pile drive through a glass coffee table
>>145630267
>muh samefag
Yeah, nah.
>Inb4y-youjusteditedit
>>145630206
ey bb
>>145630425
Le HTML Edit!
>>145630292
see >>145625260 and >>145625524
which was the post chain to which i replied >>145626791 to
How wasn't it called out when >>145625524
posted
>There are tons of AST/SCH clears
I simply provided the data on FFlogs for it and you went full autist about it.
>>145630331
Bokchoy's penis is as small
Do you think they could make nocturnal AST viable in the next expansion if they introduced a fourth healer that's offensively focused like SCH but has a different gimmick than shields?
>shrek is a woman
>gott faust has the voice of a god
Aren't all femroes supposed to be played by cringeworthy neckbeards? What happened?
>>145630527
People were discussing AST replacing WHM and you thought that bringing up replacing SCH out of nowhere counted as an argument. So did the other posters. Nobody said shit about AST replacing SCH; it's common knowledge Nocturnal Sect is shit.
People were discussing AST in Diurnal and you sperged out and started making talking points nobody was discussing or even disagreeing with.
>>145630440
stop this cass
>>145630625
>offensively focused
WHM it's already the most offensive of all healers, it just burns through mp like a fucking steam train. SCH is the least offensive however it's the way shields, fairy and dots work that makes it so offensive compared to WHM.
>>145630625
Yoshi P has already said he wants to fix SCH and make AST/WHM work, so the problem is going to be fixed eventually.
Besides that, we aren't getting a 4th healer come 4.0, because we're getting Red Mage and Samurai, both of which will be a tank or a DPS.
>>145630690
Again, my post only picked on the
>There are tons of AST/SCH clears
You sperg out and say i can't read but you should get a mirror.
megu bp
who has the cutest feet
>>145627850
when do i get to play as a kitten
>>145630624
Not him, and I'm not even Bokchoy. But your responses to the problem of AST viability ARE autistic because they make you sound like a piss-baby scholarfag who needs to get off his pedestal.
AST needs to be destroy? AST will only work if SCH and WHM are gimped into the ground? You sound like a fucking toddler whenever I see you argue on reddit. All this doomcalling and trying to kill off a class that needs help balancing wise just so you can keep your guaranteed raid spot makes you look like a tool, like the rest of the SCH community.
>>145631109
Cute screenshot
>get home
>actually wanted to play
>forgot about maintenance in an hour
Damn it.
it's Tyyne noon
>>145630642
>Aren't all femroes supposed to be played by cringeworthy neckbeards?
No. That would be the mass majority of fem'qote players.
>>145631204
Guess you're going back inside that dumpster then. Poor thing.
Let us discuss i190 Thick Creampie (Savage).
>>145631198
have another
>>145631204
PLEASE let me PURGE you
>>145631204
ugly
>>145631316
What's the deal with this? Carbuncles aren't natural creatures right? They're like made of aether I thouhg.
Is this carbuncle sent from her mother or something?
POST
MAIDS
AND
BUTLERS!!!!!
>>145631204
Make a character on excal to say hi!
>>145630821
I think it's pretty obvious they'll introduce a healer and a tank in 4.0, so far all the jobs they've introduce have attempted to make it so that no job has a fixed position and needs to be in every single raid group.
With NIN and MCH they succeeded, with AST they clearly meant to make it a jack of all trades and failed to make it viable as anything but WHM alternative, and frankly I've no idea what the fuck they were trying to do with DRK but in the end they just made a PLD replacement.
It's clear they don't want WAR and SCH to be obligatory picks, so unless they do some substantial redesigning to AST and DRK chances are we'll see SCH and WAR alternatives introduced next expansion.
Same way they turned Summoner into a fucking DoT based pet class they could pull some nonsense out their asses and make Samurai a tank and Red Mage a healer, or just introduce something elselike Blue Mage as a tank holy shit that'd be amazing.
>>145631459
It's always been around Idyllshire, not sure why
>>145631494
>>145631204
Your face looks dirty.Let me clean it
>>145631494
It's a bit silly how it interacts with some poses. Can't help it though I guess.
>>145631590take off the helmet
>>145631382
>purge
I don't follow.
>>145631281
I found a blanket, so tonight will be nice and cozy.
>>145631524
Could. Should.
>>145631606
But it is clean.
>>145631735
But why?
>>145631494
mrrrrrr
>>145631797
i need tosee your face
>>145631132
tfw discussing is suddenly acting like a toddler some how. I can play any job, it doesn't matter that much to me what healer comps are. AST is the biggest disappointment of HW as far as I'm concerned because of how it's designed, and how they are attempting to balance it by tacking on extra values to stuff. In the end AST is only getting better because they are making it more like WHM. A noct AST will still not appear in any progression because it's poorly thought out. SCH is stronger because it has things neither WHM or AST have in serving the same role, and what AST has that SCH doesn't does not fit the meta.
This isn't about dick waving about which healer is best. AST just doesn't measure up to WHM and SCH in healer compositions in challenging content, and as I've mentioned before, the clears of each job for high end content is the most significant data point when judging these jobs. You can look at the PLD and DRK clear rates for Gordias and you can see a problem, and then you can work backwards and identify why DRK was superior to PLD. I don't understand why the same thing can't be done with AST. I've reasoned out why I think AST lags behind WHM in terms of healing volume, and there is a plethora of reasons why AST isn't taken over a SCH (it's basically a gimped WHM with shields with none of the complementary stuff SCH has for the meta).
I push this point really hard, because when I provide my rationale that I've developed I just get hit with a bunch of exceptions and excuses, I'm literally trying to bait people into providing the rationale if mine is incorrect. "stigma" doesn't account for the discrepancy, I'm sorry. The best I've seen is "WHM has more healing throughput and is therefore the safer option", which I'm more than willing to entertain. But that's a reasonable person giving that suggestion, the ASTs like Bokchoy directly contradict it by asserting AST can do exactly what WHM can no matter what regardless of progression phase.
>>145631494why
>>145631932
just shut the fuck up you are trash
>when the Tank says you're doing too much DPS and it's hard for him to hold hate.Proci I'm gonna make you fucking proud.
This crop is doing well.
lol this place sucks youre all garbage
hearing you all "theorycraft" is enough to make me laugh
>>145631951
please give me char data
please
I need this more than you know
>>145631494
This is what our lives have become, then.
>>145631792
you're a foul dirty voidsent that needs a proper holy cleansing
>>145632047
Post your clear,if you're so good.
>>145631527
>So unless we some substantial redesigning of AST and DRK
The power level difference between tanks is nowhere near the power level difference in healers. When you talk about the strength of tanks, the difference nowadays is fairly minimal. WAR is still the best at OT, but we're talking no more than a 150 DPS or so.
With healers it's a bit different, obviously because SCH is so stupidly good that it's mandatory.
Also, that's the problem. Instead of balancing an entire role against two classes, the smarter thing to do would be to nerf the op classes. They've nerfed shit in the past, so it could happen.
This game's healer role and tank roles can't survive if they're constantly balanced around one class being OP and untouched. That's why they're now hinting at SCH nerfs. Because it's absurd to make an entire role aspire to ONE class.
In its current form, SCH is nigh irreplaceable. You'd have to seriously create a monster of a class to replace it.
>>145631921
For all intents and purposes,the helmet is my face.
>>145631932
damn nigga do you expect me to read all this shit
>>145631494mrow~
>>145632029
RUN GIRL RUN
>>145632057
It isn't that great
the screenshots make it look better than it is
the lighting and angles are generally poor
>>145632021
>tfw you can literally hear the cringe through the screen as they hatefully turn on Defiance, tears welling in their eyes
>>145632021gettem, champ
>>145632057
>literally 80% default
lmao nigga what the shit
>>145632073
That's real sweet of you, Palanondin.
>spend $50 on vidya on amazon hours ago
>still no codes
>>145631792
I´d love to snuggle with you
POST CAT
Just resubbed, getting the expansion in a bit. Is the turretfag job hard to play?
>>145632138
but i bet you're cute
>>145632159
ugly
>>145632159
why are mooncats so slutty?
>>145628307
she doesn't need to be bigger...
Hired an escort to Mohr Dona to get an early bathing suit!
>>145631070
Hnnnnnngh
>>145631494
>>145632563
Can I hire you as an escort?
>>145632531
only some, suncats are definitely way sluttier
>>145632440
You're saying THIS isn't cute, anon?
>>145632060thanks for healing for me in toto earlier. i was genuinely terrified of GLA tanking at minimum level for a synced BLM and SCH though.
>>145632563
>posts pits anyway
God bless you.
>>145632124
WAR and SCH present the exact same problem to job balance, though at different magnitudes.
WAR and SCH are fundamentally designed to be off tank and off healer in every way going from their core mechanics to the higher damage they deal at the cost of having worse but arguably burstier mitigation and healing.
No matter how much they nerf the jobs or buff the others, the way they're designed makes them irreplaceable because there simply is no alternative like there is for the main tank and main healer roles.
This is a problem that cannot be fixed without the introduction of new actions or jobs, because the problem is one of design and not simple numbers.
>>145632637
go away tincaT, i was talking to tincaN. i bet you're an ugly moonie anyway
>>145632097
kill yourself kazegami
I'm happy that there's nice people who didn't want their maid codes.
>>145632780
there's also how hilariously invaluable storm's path is in general. you could nerf WAR DPS pretty hard and path would still be worth bringing them.
>>145632426
There are a few different turretfag jobs depending on what exactly you mean by that, be a bit more specific.
One of them even uses literal turrets.
>>145632637I think you're cute, Helmet-san
>>145632000
Is that really all you got?
>>145632945
Machinist.I wanted COR SE why
>>145632648
Think you've got me confused with someone else, friend. Haven't healed at all today actually, just been tanking roulettes and ARF for my anima.
>>145632765
I don't fully understand the obsession
Only a little.
>>145632426
not as much, a bit frustrating but more fun to play, go for it.
>>145632343
you will get your codes when you get your shipment, unless you preorder something
>>145633010
>midlander pits
is this heaven
>>145631932
"Discussing" and preaching the end of times for SCH and WHM just because a class is getting fixed are two totally separate things. One is actually explaining what your opinion is of a class, the other is looking like an entitled prick because you want your raid spot guaranteed.
I don't think anyone will disagree that AST was poorly designed. The double-up theme just didn't work, and it comes across as weird. But at the same time, one of the healers was going to be kicked from the parties with the introduction of AST. If AST was designed as a SCH replacement and gave WHM a free hot seat, it wouldn't be fair.
AST's design makes sense if you view it as SE trying to make the class viable in any situation so that no one healer was mandatory. Obviously they fucked up, but to insinuate that it's a bad class at this point is stupid. Diurnal AST and WHM have similar spells, yes, but they place almost entirely differently.
I've seen Bokchoy's arguments against AST and I've read yours. Both make sense, but even you yourself in SEVERAL of your posts admit that AST is underrated and needs love. You yourself admit that there IS a stigma against the class because people underrate its potential and its toolkit. WHM is designed for more raw healing power, and people like that safety net and see it as more appealing than AST's cards and added mitigation.
Of course AST needs tweaking, but you outwardly dismiss it altogether for no reason. It's basically a WHM with tools that aren't useless after the first month or so. While "stigma" doesn't count for the entire discrepancy, it accounts for at least part of it. I have not seen a class get shit on as much as AST does.
Fuck, there are daily threads on reddit, posts on here, posts on the OF that constantly bitch about how the class is NEVER going to be good enough. But they're two different animals. AST and WHM are not the same, and play differently.
>>145632969
>shamanistic summoner
i don't know if that's what you were going for but i like it.
>>145633007
then there's another roe running around on faerie that looks almost identical to you. was about 14 hours ago.
megu bp
>>145632616
No
>>145633010
Just let them come naturally
>>145632787
Ouch, anon. That hurts. I'm just as cute as my tincan version. And I'm not even a moonie...
>>145632969
Thanks, muscled long hair dude.
>>145633114
Meant to say it's basically fits the WHM role with tools that aren't useless after the first month or so.*
>>145632273
Trying to figure out the best way how to deal with trash mobs now. Practice makes perfect. Will keep you posted.
>>145632445
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>145632531
Am not.
>>145632994
The very start of your rotation has so many buttons you might as well learn how to play the piano, but once you get past that it's one of the simpler though most enjoyable jobs in the game.Unless you get into the highest level of min-maxing, which involves stance dancing in unintuitive ways under tight restraints to get about 1% extra DPS, which is fucking hard but also unnecessary unless either you or your static is plagued by crippling autism.
>>145633120
Oh yeah, there's one or two around that are pretty similar to me. Might have been Mother Abbess, maybe? Pretty sure they mostly heal.
So whose dick do I have to suck to get a maid outfit? Obviously I'd need the code first, because otherwise it's just free blowjobs.
>>145632124
>In its current form, SCH is nigh irreplaceable. You'd have to seriously create a monster of a class to replace it.
To be honest, the problem with SCH as it stands isn't even that it's nigh-impossible to replace it with another healer. It's just flat out too fucking strong to design content around, without either making content that's trivially easy to handle with SCH's toolkit, or so ludicrously demanding that it's basically out of reach of all but the top couple tiers of players.
>>145633341
it was. damn you and your army of clones.what's your name so i can say hi if i ever queue with you?
>>145633242
>tincat is a suncat
>>145633327
>shitload of buttons
Aww man I want to be a lazy piece of shit.
>>145632780
Then they're going to be adjusted in some way.
SCH wasn't "designed" as an off-healer, it was designed as branch off from the Arcanist route. To make up for the initial lack of healing power, they tossed in the fairy and stupidly realized their mistake later on.
With all the tools a SCH has now, they could easily mainheal, especially with Eos (though it'd be far from optimal.) SCH's design was poor, and even if it will always fill the off-healer role, no new class could ever hope to replace it as it stands right now.
>>145633315
We can go over AoE sometime after maint, MNK has great options for that BUT YES
PRACTICE
>>145633378
Ask anyone you know who might not play if they plan on getting any vidya soon.
why is ast so shit? i hear theres a local autist that goes by the name of (((kazegami))) that can type walls of text as the sweat off of his sausage fingers dirty up his keyboard
not to mention hes an avid upvoter of 5 years !
https://www.reddit.com/user/kazegami
end thyself
ugh
>>145633429
you have problem?
>>145633503
The problem is that all my friends play and want it for themselves, or they're paranoid about Amazon. I don't know why.
>>145633402Initials B.S. Don't like to put my full name out there but I'm usually either in Idyllshire or hanging out near the beachside MB in Mist.
>>145632410
>>145633686
How do you usually pay for your sub?
>>145633114
>"Discussing" and preaching the end of times for SCH and WHM
It was definitely (and overtly) hyperbolic. But no one can deny we're seeing homogenization for classes are some level, and all the changes to AST are 100% "let's make this more like classes that already exist". It's more of a lament for the unique identities between healers that is gradually fading.
>but even you yourself in SEVERAL of your posts admit that AST is underrated and needs love.You yourself admit that there IS a stigma against the class
I think the value of the mitigation of AST over WHM is underrated. I think the value of DPS cards over WHM and SCH stuff is overstated unless you're trying to pad a parse. That's about it.
I don't disagree with anything you've said in general terms, because most of what you say is basically what I'm saying in different ways.
AST is just harder to work around for healing. It plays like a 2.0 healer in 3.0 fights.But saying that gets your crucified by random people on the internet, who are more concerned with trying to name shame you on anonymous image boards than actually discuss it.
>>145633434
Consider BLM or MNK.
They're still pretty deep jobs if you want to go further than an average player, but they have a more reasonable amount of buttons.
Really, the only jobs with piano rotations are MCH, SMN and NIN, every other DPS is much lighter on that regard.
>>145633825
Credit card. Just a poorfag for like two weeks because I gotta be an adult. Otherwise I'd buy a timecard
I've decided to go on a quest.
A quest for the most (You)s possible.
it may be today. It may be tomorrow, heck it may even be a year from now. Just when you least expect it. I shall share my results once the vision has come forth. Farewell.
>>145633429
But anon, suncats are the best.
>>145633570Oh, cool. You got a screenshot in the 5 seconds it took me to spam emotes and log off. Kinda regretted not being able to take one.
Final one before I pass out. Sure is chilly tonight, but I don't mind much!
>>145633907
Here is one for the road, buddy.
Good luck on your travels.
>>145633491
Have work for most of today, but maybe when I get back if you're on.
When I feel comfortable enough with it should I try joining in on ex runs?
>>145633739found you. like the name, bit of a throwback to galka names.
>want to unlock DRK
>want to unlock MCH
>level 40 as SMN still
>can't fucking stand SMN
I hate this.
>>145634140
Change class then. It's not so bad.
>>145634140
>not switching to sch
>>145634140
Thats ok cutie, I'll help you out
>>145634140
Then you have a free 40 SCH as long as you have CNJ to 15. You'll get quicker queues as a healer anyway.
>>145634140
Play scholar!
>>145634140
SMN gets a lot better later on, if you still can't stomach it just switch to something else.
>>145633907
I want in this ride
>>145634080
Absolutely, putting it into practice will teach you things that words couldn't. It's why I'mabove mediocre after a few raid tiers
>>145634140
give scholar a try, though it's not much better if the pet aspects bother you. you get 100% more EXP on jobs that are <your highest level job up to 50 anyways so it's not as bad leveling another job up.
did you pick up the brand new ring like i told you to?
>>145634221
>>145634239
>>145634243
>DoM
>ever
>>145634243
ixara is the cutest
>>145633828
>Identities between healers gradually fading.
It isn't, though. That was the entire point of my post. AST and WHM have similar skills but they play entirely differently. People see
>OMG SAME POTENCIES CURE II AND BENEFIC II ARE THE SAME THING
And then will completely ignore the traits for them and how it matches with their playstyle. Just because a class was adjusted to make its heals stronger doesn't mean it's now suddenly the same as another. You need to stop looking at the differences between AST and WHM at face value.
So their potencies are the same on some skills, so what? Who cares. They play entirely differently.
I do disagree with you, though, because I think AST is just as viable as WHM when it comes to progression raiding. I think the problem is that people see excess healing as more desirable than added mitigation and party buffs. This isn't a one-sided street; it's not like WHM is just flat out better than AST. AST beats it in a LOT of areas.
People aren't trying to name shame you, but it's annoying because any time anyone ever so much as mentions AST being viable you jump in with on cue every time. If you're tired of being crucified, stop insisting everything you say is true and that people arguing otherwise are just idiots who don't know how to play.
>>145634376
>person rushing to other jobs,
>sch levels up with smn
>>145634417
>AST beats it in a LOT of areas.
I wouldn't say "beats" but rather matches. In the areas where AST can't provide raw healing, it makes up for it with mitigation in the throughput stance and cards.
>>145634528
Mobility, MP management, card buffs are not synonymous with making up for lack of healing.
>>145634417
>>145633564
hello autist
>>145634417
>AST beats it in a LOT of areas.
Oh boy here we go again
>>145634221
>>145634243
>>145634221
I have to level CNJ to 15. I don't know how I got that thing to 20 or 30 in one of the betas.
I'll just do it tomorrow after work, I guess. Or when the servers come back up.
>>145634353
Gonna get it either tonight or tomorrow morning before work.
>>145633803
THIS CAT IS A BASTARD
This cat is a bastard
What's a good DPS job for someone that doesn't like DPS jobs?
I've tried SMN, NIN, MNK and DRG at at least 50 and none have really grabbed me, blindly following a rotation is just not very enjoyable compared to the dynamism of healing.
>>145634630
That's mobility in exchange for a true haste, and card buffs in exchange for high personal dps.
MP management is much better though.
>>145634140
Wh-why is your face so dirty?
>>145634417
>It isn't, though. That was the entire point of my post. AST and WHM have similar skills but they play entirely differently.
Same base healing pattern, special proc for using your weak heal, one skill that does enmity/mana regen stuff, one skill that makes things go faster, one thing that increases your healing potency, bubble that regens HP, skill that is an instant cast heal. They are all superficially different skills with "gimmicks" or slightly adjusted values to make them just different enough to not be the same thing. SCH healer pattern is distinct from WHM, AST should be designed as such too, if it isn't anymore obvious AST was originally a CNJ job....
>I do disagree with you, though, because I think AST is just as viable as WHM when it comes to progression raiding. I think the problem is that people see excess healing as more desirable than added mitigation and party buffs. This isn't a one-sided street; it's not like WHM is just flat out better than AST. AST beats it in a LOT of areas.
Viable is not really the question. I don't deny the viability of AST. PGL is probably also viable. Viability isn't the issue, the issue is what you say in your second sentence. "desirability." Things that are harder to do and less efficient can be viable, but in high end raiding WHM is more "desirable" for a reason, and it's not because WHMs are just spamming heals.
>People aren't trying to name shame you, but it's annoying because any time anyone ever so much as mentions AST being viable you jump in with on cue every time.
I've only had this conversation in these threads twice, now and once before. I jump in when I'm around for it and feel like it, that's how discussions work. And I wills top insisting everything I say is true when everyone else stops insisting what they say is true, including you.
>>145634528
Also Disable.
Often overlooked ability, but it offers solid mitigation for busters under a relatively short cooldown.
kazegami is legitimately shit at the game
kys faggot
>>145634710
snagging that will ease the burden of leveling another job if you decide SCH and SMN aren't for you. you'll also get the first dungeon set equivalent for free on the job you do it on, though you can go back and get the other sets any time. there's one for casters, one for tanks, and one for the blob that is the rest of the DPS early on.
>>145634648
You're REALLY bad at this samefag thing. It's like you're not even trying.
again
>inb4BUTYOUEDITEDITAGAIN
>>145634796
paks stop rping in the thread
SERVERS ARE DOWN.
POST LEWDS.
>>145634942
But they aren't down yet
>>145634721
ny0
>Another maintenance
This is like the 3rd in a week now.
>Spidercat is max bust
>>145634942
>>145634630
>mobility
I swear to fucking god everytime i see this i want to punch the nigger that spewed this shit.
You're like all those fucking bards that didn't wanted to use WM because "muh mobility" when the fucking game rarely needs you to move like a fucking epileptic cunt to dps.
>yfw maintenance
>>145634898
if ur so good post lodestone shitter who is scared of ast repping his job
>>145634796
Those ovens and fireplaces aren't going to clean themselves.
>>145634876
Good to know, actually. Thanks.
>>145634994
Die
>>145634994
You are truly a disgusting creature.
always maint when i want to play
>>145635038
>all the erp that just got interrupted
jej
>>145634994
end your life
I want that too. I understand.Goodnight
>>145635116
t. foot fetish catfag
>get the urge to play PLD
>go play PLD
>remember why I don't play PLD
I do this at least twice a week.
Sword and board is the coolest aesthetic, Cover and Divine Veil are bae, Clemency could have been really cool, but fuck me that job is helpless.
>NIN gets fat buffs on Katon, Doton and Death Blossom but PLD is still incapable of AoE
Favorite spot to idle between doing stuff?
Maintenance is the best! The best!
>>145635173
All they gotta do is put a DoT trait on Flash or some way to reset Scorn.
>>145635127
ugg
>>145635170
Fuck off, pedophile sympathizer.
>still logged in
What
>>145634991Big fat cat tatsare best
>>145635257
Catfags and lalafags both need to be removed. This goes without question.
>>145635279
when will you ever let me clean face face of yours
>>145635206
>>145635206
nah fuck this post some cute Beepies.Are you truly reformed? Its only been a few months and I'm skeptical.
>>145635279
ugly
I'm bored of WAR/SCH, what's a fun DPS?
>>145635248
whats wrong lil homie?
>>145635321
Never.
>>145635173
I do this with about six jobs.
I just want to find an alt that's not another healer but every other job is unappealing.
>>145635342
nope. he was melting down the other night posting pics of him and sugi
>>145634834
>Similarities on skills mean the class is EXACTLY THE SAME
By your logic, PLD and DRK might as well be the same class as well. Shadowskin and Rampart are the same thing. Shadow wall and Sentinel are pretty much the same thing, too. They both have a tanking stance and a DPS stance.
What's the difference, then? The play style. The insinuation that because classes share similarities means that they're the same class is absolutely ludicrous. I don't mean to be that person, but have you actually PLAYED AST? It's nothing like WHM for the reasons you stated. Playing AST like WHM or vice versa means you're going to do a shitty job of it.
>Viability isn't the issue.
Then people need to stop memespouting it on here as such. You argue against it's viability in prior arguments as well.
Viability =/= Desirability. Maybe a class might be more desirable in some instance, but that doesn't make class B any less viable. Class B is desirable in other instances. Viability implies it can't be used ever; desirability implies there's more of a want to use it in specific instances.
>Twice, now and once before.
And yet it only took those attempts to make people annoyed with you. It's not your argument, it's that you present it as:
>AST is bad. Anyone who disagrees with me is retarded. Where's your A8S clear? See, you're bad. AST is bad. Delete AST Yoshi P, thanks.
I say what I say and how I say because my opinion reflects most of the community at this point. Diurnal Astrologian is a fine replacement for a White Mage. Nocturnal Sect Astrologian is garbage. That's what people feel like everywhere; the only holdouts with the "AST is garbage 4ever" opinion are people on here. Maybe WHM is more desirable than AST for this raid cycle or the next. That doesn't mean it has no viability.
>>145635364
what's your definition of fun motherfucker
>>145635364
NIN
All melee jobs are fun
>trying to hit 60 for the first time
>doing Vault clears to get meager EXP
>last one before maint
>do fine up until 'SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED'
>literally cannot keep up the heals, feels like my healing is nerfed to hell despite not being in Cleric stance
>wipe, have to abandon
Am I just a bad healer or are my teamates just getting hit too much?
/blog
>>145634985
What happens when you take the eyepatch off?
>>145635364
BLM
>>145635427
People have been saying since HW launch that DRK shouldnt exist since its so similar to PLD though. This isnt some isolated /xivg/ rant.
>>145635131
It's a damn shame.
>>145634942
> tfw when servers are down and I didn't finish my wank in the Quicksands.
>>145635506
people who use the nude mod are disgusting
>>145635364
>only playing WAR/SCH
JOB CARRY
O
B
C
A
R
R
Y
>>145635230
That would make it merely bad instead of hopeless for Expert Roulettes, but wouldn't help that it's always the worst option for those things, or how bad it is in Trials and Raids.
In some ways I wish that instead of adding DRK, they'd just remade PLD from scratch using all of the DRK abilities and the general DRK playstyle.
>>145635342
How about alewd trioinstead?
>>145635420
Yo, that was just an isolated incident.
why is kazegami so autistic and awful at the game?
he feels so threatened about his precious healslut role being replaced
pathetic
>>145635506
I beg of you. Post the imgur. Lay bare these c@.
>>145635506
>>145635549
Where can I get this mod? So I know to avoid it..
>>145635506
Invite me to your next gathering, please.
>>145635481
Gotta give us a bit more to work off of. What's your job? Were they getting hit by rings/not breaking chains? I hate healing it as a Scholar.
>>145635364
The only answer isDRG.
>>145635031
Maybe it's because being more mobile saves you time and doesn't hurt your DPS output or interrupts casting of spells?
Mobility isn't just about dancing around like a retard, though that is why most Bard mains threw a shitfit when WM was introduced.
>Waaah I can't run around anymore
>>145635481
99% of the time healing issues on charibert boil down to the rest of the party fucking up and eating mechanics. the AOE healing is not too significantly heavy and the tank 'busting' isn't too bad. if your tank was doing fine elsewhere in the instance, people fucking mechanics is the most likely issue.
>>145635579
cool doom 3 screenshot. haha us gamers will get this joke.
>>145635629
You've got to do better than that son
>>145635650
DRG is fun.
>>145635573
>In some ways I wish that instead of adding DRK, they'd just remade PLD from scratch using all of the DRK abilities and the general DRK playstyle.
This.
DRK should've been a suicidal DPS spending HP for damage, but god forbid we get something interesting.
I just want a new 2H DPS.
I wish I could physically stab all the undercutters on Balmung.
>>145635645
White Mage. Mostly keeping out of mechanics; had a new guy hit by the horses like, once. The SMN occasionally didn't move during chains. Sir Charibert makes me want to drink bleach.
>>145635701
.. Raiding purposes?
>Grinded up a ton of Eso/Poetics before the patch to finish my relic
>Yoshi said there would be multiple paths to complete the next step
>3.3 comes out
>It's another Eso/Poetic grind featuring leves and company seals
Is there ever going to be a feature introduced in this game that isn't some sort of daily chore?
>>145634942
>>145635506
can you get banned for using the nude mod?
>>145635506
This picture gives me a kind of pang in my chest. I don't know any of these cats, why does this happen?
>>145635768
Thats all MMOs are now Anon.
I'm a new player looking to get into RP, how do I start
>>145635046
Yoza?
>>145635427
>By your logic, PLD and DRK might as well be the same class as well.
Yep, I definitely agree. Of the three jobs only MCH has managed to be unique through wildfire rotations and their proc system. And I've played AST a lot. Where you'd do something on WHM, you'll do the equivalent action on AST but less effectively :^)
>Then people need to stop memespouting it on here as such. You argue against it's viability in prior arguments as well.
If I've argued against it's viability it's my poor wording or I'm using viability in a different context, like not what AST is capable of, but the possibility of people picking up AST. I assume that's where the confusion comes from. I'll clarify here though I think AST is viable, but I don't think it's as good as WHM.
>And yet it only took those attempts to make people annoyed with you. It's not your argument, it's that you present it as:
More like one person and probably a couple of his friends. I'm sure my Ayase comment got under someone's skin, I don't think Bokchoy anticipated how much I know about him and his raiding.
>>AST is bad. Anyone who disagrees with me is retarded. Where's your A8S clear? See, you're bad. AST is bad. Delete AST Yoshi P, thanks.
I've probably said those things in some form or another, mostly jokingly or hyperbolically. Should focus on my arguments rather than the superficial tone. Also, I usually avoid bringing up clears altogether unless people start pushing about it, or pullout some bullshit garbage like namedropping me.
That said, I think AST is garbage because it tries to be a WHM but fails, and is a testament to poor job design not just because of how much of a mess its been to make it desirable for raids, because the way it plays is rehashed WHM stuff, and the same thing bothers me about DRK for what it's worth.
>>145635579
One on the far left has a pale face and tanned body. wat
>>145635907
facepaint
>>145635857
Its a client side texture alteration so no.
>>145635452
MNK isn't very fun.
>>145635872
Step One: Transfer to Balmung
Step Two: Find a Group
Step Three: Profit
Step one is the most important part.
>>145635930
>he doesn't want to go fast
>>145635650
>>145635754
DRG is a good time.
>>145635763
Yeah if you don't have people helping and doing those mechanics it's just annoying. I think you have the easiest job to heal it as, but it doesn't mean much if people just act dumb during mechanics.
>>145635836
Please tell me this isn't Elk
That cancerous shitter has scared all the cute brown midlanders away from blonde hair, when it's the best combo in reality
>decide to do research on EB since it's constantly referred to in the thread
>people pay real life money to be fake married on the internet
It's not as serious as everyone makes it out to be right?
>>145635761
>on Balmung
There is an item worth at LEAST 9,000gil easily. Recently the market below 8,000 was bought out and three of my six stacks sold for 8,700 a unit. There's barely any of the item left on the market in non-High Quality AND YET, there are listings falling sharply from 8,700 to 3,900.This is on Gilgamesh.
What if the faerie "nerf" is just making Eos and Selene enter Cleric Stance when their owner does?
>>145635885
Who?
>>145635872
Have you RP'd before? If so you can do a bunch of walk-ups easily in Ul'dah, Balmung server. It's fun. If you're looking for ERPI honestly don't know
>>145635768
Nope, enjoy Yoshi's strategy of playing it """"safe"""" while the game fucking dies.
Please look forward to 2 hallway dungeons, a new trial, a new 24 man and a new raid featuring tomestone grinds for gear and relics while side content such as Diadem and Palace of the Dead are dead because Square refuses to put a single piece of BiS gear outside of raid in favor of adding some midcore content.
>>145635930
Opinions, I can see why some people wouldn't feel that way though.
Rotation is really straightforward and movement can feel like a chore a lot of the time.
>>145635506
We're you guys having a threesome?Who was the futa?
>>145636021
The basic one is free I thought.
>tfw you've been collared
I'm so happy...
Post more DRG
>>145635481
The first time healing that guy is shitty for everyone.
>>145636005
Elk hasn't scared away anyone.
That's just your ill, pre-concieved notion assuming that people actually think that a single anon's opinion matters on a vietnamese snow cone making board.
>>145636021
Its as serious as you want it to be.Just like real marriage.
>>145636079
It's great, isn't it?
>>145635506
God bless lewd catgirls.
>>145635836
>tfw still haven't bruised and stretched out Sayora's asshole
>>145636021
Basic one is free, but the most boring clothes only
>>145636041
You reminded me of a SCH Raen I knew from somewhere else
>>145635891
but you are garbage. literally kill yourself (((kazegami)))
>>145636119
>playing the meme DPS
Post MCH instead.
>>145636005
I don't think I've ever spoken to Elk, or seen him in-game.
>>145635836
why do gay men take shots like these
Post Cowboys/Girls
>>145635481
I can promise you DF shitters weren't breaking chain, moving out of circles or dodging knights.
>>145635560
Maybe they should make the rest of the jobs as good as WAR and SCH
>>145636167
I want more...
>>145636180
One day at a time
>>145636201
>Lalafell insulting anything
Kill yourself pedophile
>>145635756
DRK should have had cooldowns that function like wildfire in terms of giving you temporary eHp buffs based on damage dealt, and other hp enhancing cooldowns similar to thrill of battle. All while relying on lifetaps to help sustain these temporary buffs. DRK has always been about life taps, and yet WAR still excels at it in comparison.
>>145636021
some people pay for the 2-seat mounttwice
>>145636281
>implying I'm a pedophile
I'm just a super submissive gay, anon.
>>145636270
nope just do it now shitter
>>145636038
Just fucking change Arcanist so that SCH's DPS skills aren't as effective, which would help both SCH and SMN since neither are tied to that crappy class.
>>145636201
MCH is probably the job I have the most fun with
>>145636287
Agree, Shadowskin/wall feel very uninspired
It is nice solo tanking Final Punches though
>>145636432
no
ri
ko
>>145636382
Even if I kill myself now, it will still take Bokchoy 9 more weeks before he has as many a8s kills as me
>To Be Continued...
>>145635891
>Yep, I agree.
Then you don't know what the definition of the word 'same' is, and I invite you to play any one of those classes to realize that calling it 'the same' is a very uneducated opinion of it.
>I'll clarify here though I think AST is viable
Because it is.
>I don't think it's as good as WHM.
Again, 'you think' = your opinion.
>Tl;dr petty drama I don't care about
I don't even know Bokchoy but he seems like a pretty cool dude from what I've seen of him on reddit. He (usually) posts his opinions with actual factual data, even if he gets to also be a snarky cunt at times. I have no idea who the fuck Ayase is
>Should focus on my arguments rather than the superficial tone.
Maybe you should focus on making an argument than just superficial memespouting, because 'AST is bad' isn't an argument. :^)
I think AST is a good replacement for WHM and even makes up for its shortcomings. This is the only place I visit that insists Diurnal Sect AST is shit. You agree with that. There are arguments that can be made for or against it. Either way, it's just petty ego waving at this point. I'm just going to agree to disagree. You don't like AST, other people do and will take it in favor of a WHM.
>>145636432
SWEATERBREASTS
cute
>>145636453
ma
ko
to
>>145636256
So do I, anon; so do I.
>>145636342
see? this guy gets it!
>>145636070
>>145636173
Thanks senpais.
>>145636154How long until I fall into degeneracy?
>>145636302
For why
>>145636527
is
cu
te
>>145636218
I have far too much free time on my hands right now.
>>145636038
>faerie nerf
>just makes the whm have to heal more while the sch continues to hump cleric stance
>>145636459
doubt it
post lodestone unless all u can do is hide and shit talk bokchoy faggot
>>145636502
>Then you don't know what the definition of the word 'same' is,
I know what similarities are and when many things are similar cumulatively that thing seems the same as another thing.
>Because it is.
Duh.
>Again, 'you think' = your opinion.
Again, duh. Having opinions isn't revolutionary, you have them too.
>Maybe you should focus on making an argument than just superficial memespouting, because 'AST is bad' isn't an argument. :^)
If you've been following what I've said I've presented a lot of reasons for it, you also read my reddit posts, so I don't know what you want from me /shrug
PS:
AST is baaad
>>145636531
How do I get more collars...
>>145636549
judging from your posting habitsyou've got one foot in the door
>>145635891
>Where you'd do something on WHM, you'll do the equivalent action on AST but less effectively :^)
You do the equivalent action on AST and do it faster. Benefic 2 procs to be instant, Aspected Benefic has 20 less combined potency but it's differently distributed and shorter, Essential Dignity rewards you for dealing some damage and only healing when you have to.
It's not worse, it's trading raw numbers for flexibility.
>Should focus on my arguments rather than the superficial tone.
You do this to yourself, things like that little :^) in the previous quote turn the tone of your post from a solid argument to a well thought out shitpost.
>I think AST is garbage because it tries to be a WHM but fails
I think AST's design is garbage, but the job itself isn't. In the end it is like a creatively bankrupt WHM reskin, but the result is a solid job that offers the same role as WHM with a handful of pros and cons instead of a completely different deal.
>>145636201
The unequaled power of pew pew.
Is not actually unequaled in this setting but ayyyyyfuggedaboudit.
>>145636051
Surely 4.0 will fix everything and most definitely won't be another glorified patch that they charge $40 for which adds nothing to the game aside from a chunk of new content to get sick of within 2 weeks.
>>145636549
>For why
Because, sometimes,people loves each other so much ~
>>145636693
>more collars
Traitorous whore. You get one and only one, that only comes off when the one who gave it to you says it does.
>>145636667
In your dreams. I also didn't start the shit talking, I was namedropped first.
>>145636041
Want to go on a date to the Golden Saucer?
So I don't normally post here in /vg/ but this seems to be the only place that actually loves this game.
I just finished the main story and wanted to know where I need to go from here. I see a starting point with Minfillia of course, but I'm asking in terms of dungeons, if I should be trying to do any of them before I go any further, stuff like EX Primals are lost on me and I'm going to assume I am too late to jump on the Alexander bandwagon.
>>145636775
ok so you didnt clear it got it
keep talking like u know the game like guffy lmao
>>145636813
What's your opinion on AST vs. WHM?
>>145636813
You mean the ARR or Heavensward MSQ?
>>145636432
What chest is that?
I've been looking for something like it for quite a while, please respond.
>>145636398
anon, what you're suggesting does literally nothing to address the actual problem.
>>145636661
i'd much rather they end the meme that only one healer should be healing.
>>145636813
>I'm going to assume I am too late to jump on the Alexander bandwagon
not at all, People PUG the low level stuff all the time. Savage might be a challange though.
>>145636703
Luckily no one plays on Sarg so I'm safe for now...I think.
>>145636732
>tfw no one will ever love me that much
>>145636751
Oh...
But I want more...
>>145636813
do you like (Savage) creampie
>>145636856
you haven't posted yours either, why should he post his?
>>145636459
>talking shit about Bokchoy
You what
Bok carries his static so fucking hard it's absurd, short of Alex who's actually solid.
His static's SCH is useless.
>>145636905
You're unfit for collaring.
>>145636856
Oh shit, you figured it out. I'm Guffy
>>145636549
Don't fall into the degeneracy, kiddo.
Grind away on your crafts and work on your class.
>>145636723
Not them, but benefic 2 procs are really bad game design by being on a timer. The timer for cure 2 procs is fair because you have nothing to lose by using it because it costs no mana anyways. 9 times out of 10, my benefic 2 proc never occurs when I actually need it. It should just stack up to 1 so the "instant cure 2" actually has some real sort of advantage over whm's free cure 2 proc.
>>145636813
Alexander is level 60 stuff but I think you mean you're level 50? Just talk with Minfillia and keep going. You'll need to kill Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan on hardmode some time to keep going, but don't worry about that. You'll know when you need to do it, and people can carry you if you're concerned about being dead weight. The extra optional stuff like dungeons shouldn't be too hard, but EX primals will probably be rough.
>>145636201
Post SMN
>>145636885
It drops from Neverreap and the Facility- not the long 150 eso facility, the other one, I forgot it's name. The one with the boss at the end with the platforms. BRD/MCH only.
>>145636885
That's the Valerian Fusilier top you get from Neverreap and that other level 60 dungeon from HW's launch that I forget the name of.
Someone tell me if you can make a catboy cum by rubbing his ears and jerking off his tail. This is important.
>>145636670
>That thing seems the same
But it's not the same thing and you'd know that if you played any of them
>Duh
Okay, thanks for agreeing with me.
>Again duh.
Then realize they're opinions, silly boy.
>If you've been following
I have, but they're just as easily all countered with facts from the otherside. Bokchoy proved that already, I don't really need to regurgitate what's already been said
>AST is baaad
Is this supposed to trigger me, because
>>145636723
is right. You nullify any argument you had with pure shitposting. This is why people will continue to namedrop you. Your loss, chico.
Ok guys, you can stop now.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1555706/
Here's Kazegami.
>>145636813
Unlock everything and gear up first.
>>145636921
>get all gear
>design strats around yourself
>"wow guys he carries"
based retard
>>145636038
That idea gets floated every time we're on the subject, but the problem with it is that it would just exacerbate the current issues.
Instead of having the current situation, which is that the WHM handles the heavy lifting healing-wise, with the fairy supporting them, and the SCH doing almost full-time DPS except when you need shields or excessive healing, you'd have a WHM forced to handle even more of the healing load, since they wouldn't have a Fairy to back them up, while the SCH stayed full-time DPS except when shields or excessive healing are required.
>>145637081
He deserves the gear more than his useless co healer.
I see you have no idea what you're talking about with the strats, but at least if you call me a retard you can pretend you're correct.
>>145636990
The difference is that WHMs NEED that proc to help with their mediocre MP management. Instant cast Benefic II is just a side benefit.
AST doesn't have an MP-saving proc because it doesn't need it. WHM does.
>>145637032
wanna test it?
>>145636813
First of all unlock every single level 60 dungeon and complete them at least once, so you can do your roulettes for tokens. Prioritize Sohr Khai and Hullbreaker Hard for Expert roulette.
Then start running Alexander Midas normal through DF, they're fun fights but the difficulty is low and the rewards useful if you're just getting into things or gearing an alt.
The real raiding endgame is currently the Final Steps of Faith Extreme, which is just a harder version of what you just did for the MSQ, which you can probably do through Party Finder with some dedication if you're on a good server; and Alexander Midas Savage, which is too hard for most people, has driven more than a few to quit and absolutely requires a static.
Ask as many questions as you like in the next thread.
>>145637196
A side benefit that means fuck all if you're just using it because it proc'd and don't actually need it. It isn't about MP management, it's about adding more to the "instant cast" flavor to AST that it's lacking on benefic 2 procs for no reason.
>>145636038
Just remove Cleric Stance from SCH altogether.
>>145637448
Make Cleric Stance double the MP cost of offensive spells.
Then cut the MP costs for AST and WHM offensive spells in half.
Hey guys
what if
guys
stick with me for a moment here
what if
are you listening
guys
What if shit in this game actually hit hard instead of raid bosses auto attacking for nonexistent damage every 3 seconds, and trash hitting for literally fucking nothing
That way you would have both of your healers need to mitigate and heal at all times
Whoa, nobody cares about healer DPS anymore except for soloing healers!
>>145636813
>>145636859
I've never had the ability to try AST but I have been interested in it. WHM I have used more than once in leveling my SCH and perhaps I have not gotten far enough with WHM but it seems relatively easy in comparison to something like SCH. I was doing the last two dungeons of the msq and kind of choked due to there being so many different people on the list at once and not being sure of who I should prioritize healing. The eight man thing is going to take getting used to, but so far I see SCH as a fun class in comparison to WHM.
I am looking forward to giving AST a try for the first time as well.
>>145636880
>>145636897
>>145636908
>>145636995
>>145637069
Thanks for the other responses too guys, but
>>145637069
what does this mean? Unlock everything?
>>145637583
Dungeons, trials, raids and whatever are locked behind quests and shit, go do them.
>>145637579
The learning curve to memorize the fight would be too much for a lot of healers if tanks were capable of dropping dead within the window of a server tick.
noriko
>>145637826
If autos were simply doubled in speed you'd need both healers to babysit the tank while managing MP/trying not to overheal, which is kind of what healing in an RPG is supposed to be.
>>145637997
Good luck getting that meta to stick. Even if Yoshi flat out said that incoming damage in 4.0 raids will require full time healing or something, scholars would still try to make their white mage heal all of it so they can watch act on their second monitor
>>145637921
Yes?
>>145638193
adorable
How come Yoshi P tours shit servers like Exodus & Behemoth but never graces those of us at the Quicksand on Balmung with his presence?Those of us on Balmung can show Yoshida-san a whole new World.
>>145639134
At least he said that flipping houses is prohibited now.