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Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

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Cookie cutter builds:
>Consult thread before using
http://pastebin.com/zfAghE2H

TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.

>What is Tree of Savior?
Tree of Savior is an action MMORPG with a lot of classes, cute hats and autism grinding.

>Can I play the game now?
New players are restricted :
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=430

>English patch for kTOS
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/general-ktest-thread/124575/645

>Servers
- kTOS - Server : Vakarine (Upside down "A" in gookspeak)
- iTOS: Klaipedia (NA), Fedimian (EU), Telsiai (SEA)

>Official Translation Project - https://github.com/Treeofsavior/EnglishTranslation
Helping in the translation will speed up international server updates and remove unwanted machine-translated text. There are also rewards for contributors, further explained on the github page.

>/tosg/ Guilds info
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena/Silute/Orsha, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.
>Klaipeda
Futureproof (Lolipan)
FOE (Jinsae)
Clover (Karga)
Cake (DeliciousCake)
cute (Hiraku)
CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)
Empire (Louvain)
>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)
NiceBoat (Tello)
>Telsiai
Comfy (Katzenberg)
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>>144985115


ANNON PLEASE

I ENED THIS
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>>144985046
Previous : >>144931129
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I LOVE TALT
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>>144985202
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>>144985046
>cute
>empire

Why are you listing dead guilds
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>watching kTOS get all these cool updates almost weekly
>we still don't even have so much as a stat reset scroll on the TP shop
I'll just be over here, with my three no loading screens.
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>>144985243
Before runecaster was added, we already knew its skills and a bit later, all information about them (cd, base damage and what not), so probably not so early.
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>>144985316
I want to fug a keiki
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Has anyone who actually got to sr2 and had good gear explain to me why sr2 is bad?
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Kevin - Chevalier
https://my.mixtape.moe/pobbql.mp3
SFA - La Valle della Morte
https://my.mixtape.moe/qblhfd.mp3
SoundTeMP - Exotica
https://my.mixtape.moe/epvnys.mp3
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>>144985258
oh fuck yes, tell me anon tell me how to be a great luchador like you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KGX9nH7co
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>>144985128
Well fugg, I don't think I have the latest version of excel on pc, and I can't check that shit right now. It'd be nice to estimate that sort of shit in excel for funnies using my stats and possible distributions, for instance.
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>>144985202
http://behemoth-arttos.tumblr.com/post/145663806379/this-screenshot-appeared-on-internet-nowadays
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You know what would be a cool skill to have for Templar C2/C3? A reverse Battle Order. Instead of being around Templar gives you bonus stats, guildmates around the Templar give him bonus stats instead. The more guildmates around, the more powerful the Templar is.
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>>144985640
>Has anyone who actually got to sr2
That may have been one or two people who have either quit or killed themselves by now.
For all anyone knows SR could actually be good, but it's filled with fucking bugs that make it unplayable.
Bugs that are fixed in the korean version, by the way enjoy your new potion icons
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Wiz1 > Pyro 3 > Sorc1 > Alch2
vs
Wiz1 > Pyro2 > Linker1 > Sorc1 > Alch2

What should I do?
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>mfw luchadors become meta and gvg is just a bunch of luchadors doing aerial body slams and kicks
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>>144985664
>Valleys are feminine in Italian
Weird
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>>144985640
I know 3 people who had SR2 and rerolled to something better.
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>>144985963
>mfw we will never get any content and the game will be dead by the ti...

Oh, nevermind it's already dead af.


Any estimates on the new low for today? Given the trend we might hit 9k today.
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>>144985963
I hope the class is based around immobilizing holds, pins and grabs.
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Someone please convince me to get electrocute 14 and Hail 15 before it's too late.

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#2111bbbf..1a283a4155657185.14253551
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>You will never suplex a giant demon tree
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>>144985963

>mexican masked wrestler class
>Lithuanian mythology
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>>144986462
You do 1/10 of the damage on targets affected by stone curse.
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>>144986462
>Stone Curse: 8
For what purpose
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>>144986354
you better give me salsa on that
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>>144986473

>you will never suplex a ghost train
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>>144986645
>not knowing about /tosg/ porn
Maybe if our drawfags are still alive we'll get some more.
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>>144985963
that sound fun as fuck
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The grind is real.
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>>144986727
where can i see the rest?
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>>144986624
The purpose of stone curse is to render the others useless (praying they don't have dispellers or raising the rank of Stone Curse as a status ailment) while you deal with the others or for easier setup of pulling off your combo.

>>144986630
I-it's for the upcoming arena, silly! We'll get it soonâ„¢, right? RIGHT?
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>mfw got left behind the grind party
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Gold bars are rare, right?
I found one on the ground, I think a bot left it there.
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>>144987372
50k when you sell it to NPC
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>>144986512
there's a lot of other mythological things and fucking cannons and muskets too
the game's lore builds on the mythology then branches out to fucking everything
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>>144987110
gelbooru
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I love you /tosg/...
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Event TPs don't expire, right?
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rancid stancids.

that's my team name and character name

give me talt
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Whose stats are used when rogue uses a captured skill? Rogue's or original caster? I remember reading in thread that a rogue's captured frost cloud would be stronger than the original (implying original caster's stats are used), but the stuff I'm reading says that rogue stats are used.
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>>144988210
right
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Is there any reason to have more than 2 levels of Magnum Opus? I'm not asking for super secret recipies here, but most patterns seem to at best be just 4x3 and going level 5 like I did seems like a mistake.

If I fill in multiple 2x2 recipies I can't transmorph them all at once, it just cancels.

Asking for fellow alchemists to respond.
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>>144985664
Here's where the new bgms play for reference. Looks like they added different bgms for all the instance dungeons.
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>>144987540

>checks it out
>only two pages
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>>144988358
I'm going to put only 2 points in there too.
In icbt it was: more slots = more items you can combine in batch.
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>>144988359
>Symphonix_music_prostitute
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>>144987372
Not super impossible rare, but it's always in demand. Consider it free 5-digit money.
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>>144988747
The problem is right now if you do that it just doesn't do anything, like it's entirely bugged.
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>>144988825
A ton of symphonix tacks have what sounds like a hooker talking nonsense in the background.
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>>144985664
Im really liking Kevins work more then the rest of the composers in this strangely enough
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Why does IMC hate money?
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give me talt
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>144988359
http://pastebin.com/tWfGMNV2
for anyone wanting to match up the new bgm to actual location names.
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>>144989260
Because they know people shouldn't pay money in F2P games
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>>144989260
Money = Evil
IMC = Saints
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>>144989260
Why do I keep playing
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>>144989260
There might be some kind of korean government program for failure MMOs.

Germany has something like that for terrible movies, and that's precisely why/how Uwe Boll keeps making shit.
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>>144985664
This Death Valley song is nice tbqh
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>another 12 cubes
>some talts, cards, a MaleDick
>no Petra
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Dead
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>>144990242
Like
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>>144990242
Kids are at school :^)
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>>144990276
Cattly
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>>144990242
Yeah, I'll be dead soon.
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They put back the Bakarine statue at workers lodge! That's nice!
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>>144990591
>that star
even Koreans know
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>>144990591
>Kabbalist's reaction to IMC's budget management
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So how do people get their Temple Shooters so big?

Mine is so tiny
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>>144991124
It's a visual bug.
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>>144991124
ur not sexy enough. its like dicks... grows
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnskUpDimk

Daily reminder that if you like PvP, you'll never enjoy this because IMCompetent hates money.
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Is there any way to bring my non-alchemist character into my alchemist's awakening dungeon?

Like, I open a portal with a skill lvl 2, once inside I switch to my other character and enter the portal again?
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>>144991129
>those are actually little plates on their boots
Huh. For the longest time I thought the girl plague doctors were showing off their feet.
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>>144991124
It grows with level (skill or card or maybe both)
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>>144989454
What a waste...
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>>144991129
NOT ENOUGH BELTS DESU
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>>144991562
i think not.
if you logout and nobody else is inside = fail. and no way to get back inside if someone logs out
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>want to do team battle league
>it's kTOS only

>want to switch my stats around
>reset scrolls are kTOS only

>want to grind without switching channels every ten seconds
>faster respawn rates are kTOS onry

>want to wear a different costume, maybe change my eyes
>kTOS onreeeeeee
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>>144991129
I love the PD design so much.
Crow skill when?
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>>144991562
Why not just bring a friend with you?
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>don't use the wings of vagina npc until level 200
>6 gorillion cards all at once
fug yes
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>>144991806
>I paid $50 for this.
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>>144991806
Just stop playing this kusoge
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>>144991129
>Not posting full size
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>>144991962
I need to kill mobs in there for achievement points.
But I guess I can just tag along when someone else does an awakening.
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>>144991806
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>>144991806
>Maybe I'll try playing a new class and make new friends
>Closed to new players
>Maybe I'll try asking that cleric for a heal
>It's a bot
>Maybe if I report it, it'll go away next week
>It promotes to a new rank the day after
>Maybe I'll try striking up a conversation with that cute wizard
>It's an afk/macro farmer
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>>144991379

Subzero shield nerf totally killed cryo 3 lol.
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>>144991806
>want to switch my stats around
>reset scrolls are kTOS only
wat?

>>144992093
uhmm how?
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>>144991806
Let's just go back to kTOS. Ping be damned.
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>>144991923
I hope they add it for C2, even the master has one
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>>144988825
That track isn't new.
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>>144992304
>let's just talk to that lonely swordsman
>cool, we're friends now
>he quits soon after realizing he played the wrong class
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I just realized miko poster has been kinda dead for a while too

Jesus christ
RIP everyone and this whole damn shitgame
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>>144991923
I want a crow pet instead of this hawk
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>Wants to level a Cleric
>Don't like playing with other people
>Solo leveling Cleric2 is a fucking pain

There is even a good Cleric path for solo leveling? I don't care about being useless later in instances or pvp(I dont play pvp anyways)
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>>144992975
TOP
TWENTY
ON STEAM
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Which Goddess has the best feet?
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>>144993078
Cleric2 leveling is easier than Wiz2. Get a Cafrisun set and and Arde for when you hit 75
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>>144993078
Just go Krivis after Cleric.
The god of thunder will carry your lame ass until you figure out what build you want to go.
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>>144991806
There's no excuse for not getting cosmetic outside of lens since they neeed to add a slot for those i suppose since we got spring outfits in the same timeframe.
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>last world boss was ice walled off by the wb mafioso
>4 hours later, right now
>they're asleep
>world boss doesn't show up
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>>144992975
-30k players but hey, better keep restricted server access to new players and working on loading screens
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>>144993616
>world boss doesn't show up
I hate when that happens
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>>144993078
Get a sword and cafrisun and buy buffs from the jew pardoners. You should be fine until you pick rank 3
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Yeah, sure. Whatever you say, Satan.
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>>144992849
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even memes may die.
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>>144992390
add :orig for original res to the twitter pic url
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj7_usBUgAAMLdg.jpg:orig
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I wish characters were as customizable as Wakfu's
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>>144993798
>Grand total of 3,203,069 HP
>You're a cleric

No problem.
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>>144994029
i wish characters had brown hips like wakfu's
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>>144993616
Crimson or Aistra? need an ign so I can crash them with my kino gang
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>>144994029
i wish characters have a french cartoon like wakfu's
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>>144994304
What weapons are you using for your Kino?
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>>144994423
gravity pole :^)
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>>144994304

Synapse.

Telsiai's resident wb mafioso and top pvp guild. Likes to ice wall world bosses. Once there was this world boss out in the open, they practically caged it within an icewall and nobody could get a hit on it before the ice walls were gone.
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>>144993976
oh that is inconvenient. maybe i try that.
cant upload them all to a 'decent' site
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>>144994607
Get a Kino to swap it out of place
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Monk build where?!
Skills?
STR, INT, CON, SPR?
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>>144994607
rip, I'm in klaipedo
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Where do I grind at 200? Any !!fun!! places?
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>>144994674
>cant she upload..
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>>144994204
Easy.
t. Zaibas
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>>144994834

Yeah
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>>144985046
Why are all of the chan players I find in game so bad? Are all of /vg/ and /v/ so bad at the games they shitpost about?
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>>144994834
little con to survive and all other points into tiddies
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Are STR and INT the only stats that get circle bonus?
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>>144994463

They fixed pole I think. Played my kino yesterday, poled the shit out of mobs non stop at truffles and evac, 0 crashes. I even stopped playing here because of that issue, could have been 280 by now.
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>>144995273
Hard to concentrate on playing properly when I'm crying, sorry.
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>>144994607
Neutrality was a mistake.
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>>144995434
Yes. Current max bonus to str/int is 60% at rank 7 since rank 1 doesn't count towards it.
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>>144995273
Hard to concentrate on playing properly when I'm fapping, sorry.
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>>144995572
I know man

>you will never got wardec Crimson cucks and trash them all at Worldbossfights
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>>144995273
Hard to concentrate on playing properly when I'm shitposting, sorry.
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>>144995273
Hard to concentrate on playing properly when I'm ERPing, sorry.
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>tfw addicted to skyliner

Nerfing it here in iTOS was a wise decision imo, but the lack of compensation to the overall swordsman skills fucked up everything.

I'nm not a fan of powercreeping, but toning down the others and giving MINOR buffs to swords would be nice.

Anyway, having fun with my highlander now, fush fush noise from skyliner is awesome.
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>just wasted 1.3 mill and 2 level 5 gems for this
why did i just do that
sure i'm gonna be leveling several wizard alts because i fucking love wizard
but fuck
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>>144995572

It's not even just that. Synapse is also a PvP guild. We'd wardec and contest the wb against them but guess what? We got ourselves wardec by other guilds and now even when the war is over, their cooldown slot takes up the wardec limit and we can't even wardec them or anyone else for that matter.
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>>144995985

Worth keeping it until 170, not so bad.

But yeah, totally unnecessarily.
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How do I join the world boss mafia?
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>>144986512
>greek soldiers
>Lithuanian mythology
>german mercenaries
>Lithuanian mythology
>roman gladiators
>Lithuanian mythology
>afro-brazilian medium
>Lithuanian mythology
>spanish bullfighters
>Lithuanian mythology
>haitian sorcerers
>Lithuanian mythology
>australian executioner
>Lithuanian mythology
>italian/spanish shield bearers
>Lithuanian mythology
>finnish cavalry
>Lithuanian mythology
>roman army officer
>Lithuanian mythology
>indian ascetic
>Lithuanian mythology
>french fencer
>Lithuanian mythology
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>>144995929
What's your class progression anon? Curious because I have a Highlander too.
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>>144995985

Eh.
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>>144995985
servant rod at 170 does the same dmg and costs nothing. pre-170 you can just ride pardoner buffs

pretty fucking retarded, yeah
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>>144996225
daugther wedding etc etc
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>icewall caged the boss

How the fuck you guys don't have a single oracle in this shit guild?
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>>144996096
Mafia is real.
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>>144996373
But we do.
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>>144996225
Bring enough talt to open a slot up for you
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I want to fill Shieruu with my sweet Talt
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Do Koreans really have an easier time leveling gems?
I'm working on my second level 6 and I want to neck myself.
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Let's have a list of bullshit on the skill mechanics on your class

Elememe
>Sleeping MIST doesn't hit flying
>Lethargy doesn't hit flying
>Prominence doesn't hit flying
>FREEZING sphere doesn't freeze
>RAIN doesn't hit flying
>Frost CLOUD doesn't hit flying
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>>144996323
Get cancer and have a long and hard struggle, fampai.
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>>144996854
Every event (which happens every month) guarantees you'll get multiple level 4+ gem abrasives, so yes.
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>>144996871
Wahhh why does the best AOE class have to have flaws?
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Why do most Pyromancer builds only have Pyromancer 2? Is there something wrong with 3?
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>>144996871
>only usefull spells are ice spells
>not even one earth spell

I'm an elementalist not a glorified cryomancer
FUCK
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>>144996313
can somebody post that godly +15 magi?
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>>144996871
magic missile
energy bolt
hail
electrocute
meteor

wowowowow
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>>144997032
>best AoE class
You mean uninspired-we-got-no-more-ideas Cryo 4
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>>144997090
Nothing much adds to pyro3 just more ticks of fireball/ground/pillar.
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>>144996871
Rain actually makes sense. Its main purpose is to increase electricity damage, which is due to the fact moist/wet soil is a better conductor than dry soil. Since flying mobs make no contact with ground, that become irrelevant.
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>>144997090

pyro 3 only worth feature is the lv 14 firewall

hell'sbreah is a joke, ball 15 is strong but not really necessary. extra points into pillar is not that interesting because of the huge cooldown, more into flame ground is useless because u have 100% uptime with lv 10 already and even this is not worth, flat damage scalling very low on spells


you just gain more by picking thauma or linker.

pyro 3 thauma 3 or pyro 3 wiz 3 wl is a thing thou
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>>144997337
It could at least slow down or apply the damn damage to fire flying mobs.
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>>144996871
>finally get Frost Cloud
>all the zones I go into are full of flying shit

I just wanted to have fun.
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>>144996942
I don't want to play this game anymore.
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>>144997090
Pyro3 might be decent with ktos buffs. Hell Breath blocks melee attacks while casting, and applies a debuff to enemies that increases fire damage by +50%. I kind of want to try a Pyro3 Thaum 2 or 3 with that.
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>>144997337
>moist/wet soil is a better conductor than dry soil
And air isn't?
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>>144997190
The only good skill of those you listed is magic missile. Hail is only good against bosses, and flying bosses can get hit by frost cloud.
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>>144997190
None of those are direct debuffs
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>>144997684
That's the point, I guess.
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Why is there no class that adds flying status?
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>>144997875
raise doesn't ?
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>>144997554
>Hell Breath blocks melee attacks while casting
that sounds nice, didnt test it yet.

but that debuff is kind lame. maybe good vs not-moving bosses
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>>144997337
Wet status don't apply to flying mobs so it will not amplify the electrocute damage.
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>>144997875
Play the game.
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>>144997875
Falconer.
Kino
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>>144997875
theres one it use a chicken to fly, its called chickener
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>>144997875
Cataphracts can make everything flying.
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TALT TALT TALT
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>>144998193
I LOVE IT.
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>>144998193
PETAMION PETAMION PETAMION
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>>144998193
Not this time!
This is gonna be the one, I can feel it!
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>>144998487
Who is that cutie?
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>>144995929
This. Highlander's kit feels so weak, but you still don't need much to increase its effectiveness, just some cd reductions, overheat for Moulinet, damage increase for VS and overhauling CS
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>>144998487
Yes!
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>>144996373

The only "oracle" we have is at level 39 and busy trying to get 100,000 overkills for the sake of having a title no one else has.

She's currently at 50,000.
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>>144996291

This is my second swordsman, going to be fencer.

Highlander 2, Peltasta, Corsair, Fencer 2.
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>>144998073
>Falconer
Wut?
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https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/earth-tower-20-f-clearing-party-17-f-video/293631
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>>144998727

Lol, I remember that story, HAHAHAHAHA.

You guys should get a cleric 2 priest 3 oracle pd soon, it's the best fs cleric option, every guild needs one.
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>>144996313
>>144997159
>>
ET CLEARED


HAHA
THE SOLUTION?


MELSTIS FORM KRIVIS 3
REITER 2

I TOLD YOU GUYS


TOLD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS.

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/earth-tower-20-f-clearing-party-17-f-video/293631
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>>144998862
>make retarded party comp for the sake of clearing tower
>can't actually trade any of the things you get to other chars anyways
>your chars only purpose is to clear ET20
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>>144998996

>knows the secret of upgrading equipment to that level
>not enough silver to fund it
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>>144999084
>>144998862

>using Excrulons addons

kek
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>>144999336

>not using cx add-on
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>>144999294
Is it with a chrono?
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>>144998862
>>144999084
>kTOS
It's almost a different game now. Doesn't count
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>>144999084
Can you even do this now that they nerfed SP recovery while casting Melstis?
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>>144999685
shut the fuck up retardo
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>>144999761
Maybe if you have a pet Kabbalist or two to fill SP
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>>144999761
it's called having minus sp gear and using potions
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>>144999685

Back in RO it was nigh-impossible to get +10 on anything. However, with the use of a 3rd party program, anyone can get their equipment to +10. What the program actually does is it anvils the equipment at precise intervals.

The concept is similar in ToS. The easy way to do it is to get a third party program, maybe a macro to hit anvils at precise intervals. The hard way to do it is to be really good at rhythm games.

There's also that hitting anvils with a dagger and see if it shakes, relog if it shakes, etc. trick but I think that was fixed.
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>>144999709
>>144999761

Yes, I think, with the diev statue and very low max sp, maga rod and shit.

SR and Melstis works the same way here, even frost clould was nerfed there to the same as we have now, no excuses.
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>>145000127
They changed it last week so sp potions didn't work while Melstis was up. But I guess other means of SP regen might work.
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>>145000127
>using potions during Melstis
>3.2 Krivis Skills
> Melstis: Consumables can no longer be used while casting this skill.
THEY JUST FIND MORE WAYS TO SHIT ON MELSTIS

>REVIVE? FUCK YOU.
>POT REGEN? FUCK YOU
>LEVELUP BUFF? FUCK YOU
>INVINCIBILITY BUFF? FUCK YOU
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>>145000127
>>145000268

sp potions works, they just don't lastr as long as melstis is up.

what happened before was: use hp/sp potions -> hold meltis -> regen as long as the skill is up

now you have to deal with cooldown
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>>145000168
Steady Aim nerf alone means here Reiters deal 83% of the damage ktos ones do, assuming both have steady aim 15. There was also a duration reduction, but then again, I don't know how meltisis works
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>>145000658

Melstis will make your steady aim last as long as Melstis is up, but yeah, we will deal a little bit less damage.
>>
water fire air and dirt
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>>144999084
It only works because the SR is so fucking geared to the teeth. It's a good strategy, smart, very creative use of skills and resources. The sort of thing I play ToS to find out about, interesting interactions. The stuff IMC tries their hardest to remove, but I digress.

You can't just form an SR2 Krivis3Diev3 party and clear ET. That SR is probably more geared than any current ToS player, even the world boss mafia's top geared Fletchers. He'd probably win a straight DPS race against them.

But again, very good use of resources. I knew that Melstis had some uses. I just never thought about using it on Ausrine or Retreat Shot. Amazing. Honest to god, it's going to become the new world boss meta, SR2 and Krivis3. Retreat Shot with 100% uptime just shits all over Fletcher3.
>>
tip for no potential loss anvil

have a chronomancer with backmasking
use anvil
if you fail, use backmasking
you get your potential back. you still lose the silver, though.

enjoy your faggotry before it gets patched.
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Anyone else FUCKING HATE chronos?
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*adds Retreat Shot to Melstis ban list*
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What do I do at level 210? Just keep spamming the 190 dungeon?
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>>145001180
D E L E T E T H I S
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>>145001252
Reroll
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>>145001252
130/190/200 rush or grind Alemeth.
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>>145001180
>still didn't patch this
I guess it's fine then
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>>145001252
grind or quests
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>>145001252
Go to alemeth and join a truffle grind party.
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>>145001303
NO!!
WE K E E P T H I S
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>>145001205
I wish their outfit was cuter.
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>>145001205
I still want a pocketwatch
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>>145001217
To be fair, Ausrine being permanently extendable is broken to a rather impressive degree, and probably will get patched.
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>only one hair acessory with +1 mov speed on the market
>fugly miao hair
>3.5mil silver
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>>145001041

Being geared is party of the game, it's party of being good at the game. Having a team is enough to do this, 5 players fixed party working towards one goal will do this. You don't need to be kirito RMT to do this, 5 guys farming for this is enouigh in a few months.

The game had a challenge, the hardest one up to date and his guys worked their ass to make a perfect setup group to do this! Tehy deserved it bcase, even if the gear was all RMT'd it took skillto play right, not fuck up, build the characters and do this perfect setup from floor to floor.

It's doable to do here assuming we'll only loss a little bit damage on Steady aim, +10 mana mana lv 6 gems and funneled money into Retreat shot attribute is enough to do comparable damage, will take more time, yes, will have a minor error/fuck up limit? yes.

But it's doable to do here. IF the top guild get their best 5 players and funnel money into this, they can copy the setup and reach the top in a month or so.

The hardest thing was already done anyway.
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>>145001180
But... how. How does that even work? Why would your equipment state be rolled back by backmasking?

...can you roll back people's successful upgrades?
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>>145001893
It's magic, I don't have to explain shit
>>
I'm making an SR2 and you can't stop me!
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>>145001893
I think it has something to do with the fact that you have to hit the anvil.
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Alright, time to force Koenig to go Krivis 3 at rank 7.
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>>145001893
>...can you roll back people's successful upgrades?
brb, gonna make a chrono asap
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>>145001854
I'm not saying that they're not skilled, but an equally-skilled player with lesser gear wouldn't make it.
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>>145001180
posting this on ribbit to ruin the fun just in case
because i will NEVER EVER go through the trouble of leveling chronomancer to r7. i'd rather swallow dookie.
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>>145001893
What part of time reversal you don't understand?
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>>145001180
Fake and gay
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>>144993231
L A I M A
A
I
M
A
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>>145002376
Post proof you tried it, fagboy.
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>>145002557
I'm not gonna get 'trolled' into spending another dimensional piece
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Is any gem worth putting on arde if you are a wizard?
Will I be able to block if I put a blue gem on it?
>>
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#3115558f.1a25334a5161.122131415f6a7a85.14213545.11213145

Convince me this is a bad idea
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>>145002741
Anything is okay as long as you pick musket/cannon at r7
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>>145002719
Nice try, disinfo shill. You're just trying to dissuade people from trying it.
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>>145002736
no
no
>>
Darn, I made a mistake - I wanted to move onto Klaipeda but my fun chars are still on Fedimian, so I always come back to my cleric/archer.
Wizzy is no fun and I remaking another cleric2 yet agian seems too much pain!
>>
Reminder that SR2 and Krivis 3 are now the meta and everything else is shit.
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>>145002871
ok, thanks
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So I heard you guys like Melstis now?
Should I 5/5 it?
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would i be fucking it too much if i went swordie c1, peltasta c2, hoplite c3 and dragoon c1?
instead of the more common pelt c1 and doople c1?
I just like being beeffy and deeds of valor doesn't seems to be the best idea for it. Any other alternatives?
Thanks!
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>>145002818
Meant for thos GvGs they have in Korea. Maybe QS for the /fortress/ meme points
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>>145001180
D E L E T E T H I S

t. Necrover9000
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>>145003072
if your not kriev3diev3 reroll
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>>145002823
Try it yourself retard,
the worst part is that I forgot about to mention you have to keep enhancing and wait until it fails which cost shittons of money
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>>145003072
>Aukuras 15
>Daino 7
Please explain
t. Novice Krivis
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>>145002741
Max barrel if pvp is your intentions for this.
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>>145003212
NO! WE KEEP IT! WE KEEP IT!
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>>145001180
This was the reason I originally wanted to go Chrono but assumed it was too ridiculous to work. I still don't believe you.
Karga, we tested everything but the one thing I wanted most. How could I forget?
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>>145003369
Aukuras at 15 is basically a HoT
Divine Stigma is garbage, and there's no where else you need to put points, so might as well put them in Daino, I guess.
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Which NPCs would you make sweet, passionate love with?
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>>145003369
>Aukuras 15
squire food meme

>Daino 7
what else do I put points on
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>>145003072
If you're going Krivis3 why the fuck would you not max Melstis even before the ET clear? That's the only reason to even take multiple circles of Krivis.
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>>145003679
Don't bully my girlfriend punk
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can any chrono 3's confirm?
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>>145003642
>>145003670
Zalciai?
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>golden anvils rendered useless
>we can't even inspect upgrades to see who exploited
>this is "ok"
>"not a big deal"

literally game broken

I'm guessing every mafia nigger is full of these assholes

go delete your OP weapons soon anons or it's ding dong bannu time faggots, no mercy, posted a ticket already about this
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>>145003878
Yes.
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>>145003679

THE REASON IS ZAIBAS 15

Z A I B A S
A
I
B
A
S

*the zaibas' lightning damage sounds are traveling your mind now*

THE POWER

OF THE GOD

THUNDERER
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>>145003878
Works 100%

t.chrono3
>>
T-they didn't even use a swordsman, let alone a pelt 3 squire 3 one...

What does that mean for us swordsmen now? ;-;
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anyone knows the earthquake weapon?
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>>145003918

That's not how you get things fixed, silly.

Just make a throwaway reddit account and post it to reddit. It'll be fixed literally right away.
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>>145003909
Scales horribly by its level.
It mainly scales with SPR.
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>>145004045

who cares about tank when everyone is immune
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>>145003264
The diev was a separate Cleric.
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>>145004045
>swordsmen
who? literally. what is a swordsman?
>>
HOLY SHIT IT WORKED

+25 noob weapons here I come
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>>145003679
Wasn't sure how useful it really is like most of you guys.
Still put 2 points in it because I believe. Holding the 3 spare for news like this.
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>>145003979
Truly the best skill in the game
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>tfw not enough silver to keep enhancing
>tfw not enough time to buy silver from MMOTANK because of the 2day delay

JUUUUST
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4117666f.1a25395561.11253544.1f21344a5a65.1535

Going full INT after a safe amount of CON.
Should I take something else instead of Kabbalist? I threw Kabbalist in there because I couldn't thought on anything with better synergy.

Thoughts or tips where I can improve?
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>>145004056
No one maxes earthquake, no one will buy.
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>>145004784
>sadhu

thats the only problem
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>>145004056
https://tos.neet.tv/items/142105
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Is Hiraku still around? I heard cute was dead but I still want to join just to get that guild tag.
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>>145004905
>not knowing the power of level 20 earthquake
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>>145004934
>>145004056
>EQ Lv19
>that kills the ToS
reported
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>>145004924
Yeah, I know all the 200 lines of memes about Sadhu, but the class looks fun and I want to try it anyway.
>>
>>144985046
I'm lvl 225, any Klaipeda guilds with openings?
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>>145005072
Class
Teamname
Girl (Boy), Boy (Girl), Girl (Girl) or Boy (Boy)?
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>>145005047
Lv20 (twenty) with Divine Might.
Literally will clear ET on its own.
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>>145005072
Clover has a spot open.
I think FOE and FP do too.
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>>145005072
Cake has slots
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>>145004784
I'm pretty sure you can attack in OOB without breaking Fade, so that would probably be worth maxing over 9 Safety Zone. If you don't want to take a chance on that, Cure 10 would still be a better option than 9 Safety Zone, in my opinion.
>>
why do no builds appeal to me? all i want is something else to level which isn't shit later on
>>
>tfw finding 2 gold mobs in a span of 20 minutes

feels rich man
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>>145005608
Because you're a jaded cuck with no friends?
I don't know, theres alot of builds that aren't shit but are suboptimal to others

Maybe try a different game then
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>>145004784
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4117666f.1a2a345561.11253541.1b21334f5a65.153545
My exact build although i'm still sadhu3
You dont need OOB much. It gets replaced by possession.
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>>144999520
cxscanner where?
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>>145004784
Max Merkabah since it gains a hit per level (6 hits with divine might) and does double damage to dark monsters, which is the most common type. Max Cure for the same reason as it will be one of your strongest attacks, take the points away from safety zone.

I don't think diev helps your build much, but its more of a support thing. Most people do krivis1 or cleric3 for extra damage. Also Sadhu2 Druid would be better damage than Sadhu3.
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>>145005246
>>145005542
Shit guilds, I only want to join the best (Futureproof).
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>>145003645
Her smile and optimism: Gone
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>>145005202

Don't reply to this guy, it's a non-tosg guild trying to poach members from here.
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>>145005956
I also said I'm pretty sure they have a spot up.
Try PMing Lolipan.
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>>145005998
There's no /tosg/ guild
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>>145005202
Is there even such thing as Boy (Girl)?
>>
>sr2 is bad
>krivis3 is bad
>both are used in the first et clear of the game

Why does anyone listen to you shitters. Does it feel bad that you're consistently wrong 100% of the time? Why do you any of you fucktards still give advice and suggestions so confidently? When you're sub rank7 shitters?
>>
>>145004784

I would do this:

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4113666e.1a2a33415561.13233445.1d21314f5a65.122535415161

No reason to pick diev over krivis. Diev 1 is weak, no owl to enjoy your fat int. maybe diev 2 sadhu 2.

With Krivis, Deprotec + zalciai + cure = 15 seconds of inceneration. zaibas 5 and cure 10 is wonderful for int clerics.

you don't need that much levels of safety zone if you're going cleric c2, maybe reduce a bit of divine might for it.

sadhu 3 is a weird shit, you can always roll the classic cleric 2 krivis 1 sadhu 2 druid 2 build, way better imo. sadhu 3 is good if you want to marry another int cleric/mementalist for massive damage on transmiti plana.
>>
>>145006171

You know how guys like to play girl characters because they like cute girls?

Yeah.
>>
>>144985046
Is NiceBoat made out of old RO2 players?
>>
Clover getting called out
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>>145006213
>Why do you any of you fucktards still give advice and suggestions so confidently?
Because people come here and ask unanswerable shit all day.
>>
>>145006213
They use to say wiz3 was bad anon. You shouldn't come to tosg for build advice.
>>
>>145006213
I mean they were used in a very specific combo, but ya never listen to /tosg/ about build advice. They'll give you some standard cookie cutters but anything they say is bad without a novel of reasons why is always bad info.
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>>145005246
>>145005542
All these people leaving guilds. Is the game really going to die? Or is it just part of the cycle where new players step up to the plate?
>>
>>145006213
This is literally a disinfo honeypot you retard

People just make up dumb shit all the time for fun
like that chrono3 exploit
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Can someone kill Discord people irl?
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>>145006436
Cake is a new guild, nobody left.
Go away doomposter.
>>
Valhalla Status: Bootyblasted
>>
>>145006309
Is the parentheses in-game gender or RL gender?
>>
>>145006382
>wiz3 was bad
It was terribly suffering to level a wiz3 during beta and it was only worth it for its quick cast. Things have slightly improved and magic missile is one of those improvements.
>>
>>145006436

For some reason recently all the /tosg/ Templars did a spring cleaning and kicked out a couple of inactives at the same time. So now most of the guilds have slots. Cake however is a new guild.
>>
>>145006436
>new players step up to the plate

Anon...
>>
>>145006558
what happened lol ?
>>
>>145006591

Yeah.
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>>145006532
over 1k
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>>145006213
SR2 is bad, but Retreat Shot is the most incredible skill in the game for damaging large, mobile crowds of monsters, which makes it perfect for ET. If the current iToS endgame meta were ET instead of world bosses, you'd see people raving about SR2 and shitting on Fletcher3.

That said, basically nobody in this thread actually knows what they're talking about. They just spout information that they read on Reddit or whatever. Lolipan's kind of clever, I guess. t. Lolipan

You want to really see how wrong everyone in this general is? The Elememe in the 20 floor ET clear had Runecaster as their R7 class.
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Holy shit, Cartar Stroke is OP. I'll miss seism cleave from my barb fencer, but this is futureproof strike damage, helm chopper was not enough.
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>>145006532
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>>145006595
I know, I leveled it myself. Magic Missile wasn't as terrible in icbt2 as it was made out to be by many anons though. It just required more precise positioning than it does now. The ridiculous rikocheting it does now is a major plus however.
>>
>>145006731
I don't know, I just see them crying about Clover in yell.
>>
>>145006309
But why report it? Anyone can lie about irl gender
>>
>>145006558
One of the Clover members managed to kill three of them and now they're claiming to have been loading in.
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>>145005916
>>145006253

Wouldn't Krivis1 fall off later on? I just took Diev because of this, it felt like the buffs from statues would matter more than the damage that I would get from Krivis.

I could switch Diev for Krivis 1, and switch Kabbalist and 1 Sadhu rank for Druid 2, would that work? Altho I don't really know if Sadhu and Druid works well together.
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>>145006436
>New players
>ToS
qt pls
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>>145007095

kek
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Is 2:1 int:con fine for diev or should I put more into int? I plan on Druid2. Or is Druid/PD better?
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>>145007360
If you go druid go druid2
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>>145007360
pvp = druid/pd
pve = druid2
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>be a christian
>that awful feeling of terror when i have to use a spell with a pentagram
>look closer
>they're actually stars of david
kek

did imc really confuse a pentagram with a star of david?
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>>145007590
what's the difference, jews and demons.
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How does equipment work in arena? I heard some rumors it doesn't take it into account.
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I'm making a crit Hahaman for fun. I already have good chars at 250.
Should I go High3 ??? Doppel2 or High2 Barb2 Doppel2?
Also, is 1:3 STR:DEX good enough for a crit build?
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>>145007097

Zaibas never falls off. It double scales with MATK AND INT and when you have a cryo linker in the part to hold hands, holy shit. Daino is nice too.

4k+ each hit zaibas (and cure for the same reason) is a common sight late game.

Well, druid 2 is also matk based (carnivory dps) and also brings invulnerability so it's nice to channel possession and oob when needed. druid 1 + something can work too, carnivory 5 is still strong

I'm not really sure about super jew tits, but people here have more info about it. Just max merk anyway, decent damage at lv 6
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>>145007590
No you dolt, it's a fucking star of david. The game is packed with folklore references. What do you think a Kabbalist is?
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>>145006816
>Holy shit, Cartar Stroke is OP.
lol
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>>145006816
those will be 3k crits at level 200
congrats
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>>145007590
Hexagrams are a thing too, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram#Usage_in_Occultism
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>>145006816
>meme stroke
>OP
>lv 80 area
fampai i'm sorry but you need to wake up now.
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>>145007590
>americans
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>>145007736
swd>pelt>hop3>any>any

highlander is dogshit, and any crit build without hop3 is a joke
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>>145007826
I'm talking about this motherfucker right here that should obviously be a pentagram

I know it's a Star of David, but I've never seen a burning Star of David before this game.
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>>145007097
Zaibas would still be decent single target because of double Int scaling, just get its attribute % up. Mostly falls off for mobbing.
Basic plan on Cleric2 Krivis Sadhu2 Druid is plop down Cure, Zaibas, and Carnivory on the mobs and finish off with Possession.
If you decide to go druid2 instead of Kabbalist, Sterea Trofh can protect you while using Possession so it doesn't get interrupted. Its also pretty good party support because of 11 seconds uptime and 30 seconds cooldown.

My sadhu build is going to look like:
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4113665f.1a2a345561.13233445.1a21344a55.152565.153545
Its more of a dps focus though. RS can give nice damage too since it reflects a hit * 1.5 * 7 (and *2 to dark) and applies to whole party. Ein Sof works as a mana battery with attribute.
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>>145007783
>tfw not high enough level to get to Evac and rains thunder on candle spiders
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>>145008134
OY VEY IT'S A 'NOTHER SHOAH OUT THERE
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>>145006808
>The Elememe in the 20 floor ET clear had Runecaster as their R7 class

Why? It's worth mentioning they finally fixed Retreat Shot ending before the skill was meant to finish on ktos too
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>>145008134
>every 6 pointed star is a star of david
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>>145008134
>I've never seen a burning Star of David before this game.

I guess you weren't alive in the good ol' days then
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>>145008117
>I'm making it for fun
That reading comprehension.
I don't care if its dogshit. I'm making it because I like big ass swords, and before you cry about no pelt, I'm planning to solo this, I already have actual good characters for partying and farming
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>try to play on Silute
>bunch of people playing 'normally' grinding for hours on red panto spearman
>also a bunch of dead bodies that are there for god knows how long

Thanks, ToSKore.
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>>145008134
Pyros are firejews
what else is new
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>>145007736
I'm making a mostly DEX Fencernobi with Hahaman for FUN.
Sword3 High2 Fencer Shinobi.
I know Hoplite is better but plenty of people have Spear Lunge already but noone ever use the Cross Guard stagger.
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>>145008117
>doppel2
>spears

fullretard.tiff
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i was on vacation for a while and i'm back
has there been any major changes to going spr:con cleric, taking a class in chaplain C2 then PD or is there a more viable path (like dieb)
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>>145008390
Why would I cry about you having to solo from 220-280?

Why wouldn't you just go hop3>dop2 and use a "big ass sword"... Do you just desperately want to have a ktos memelander because gooks love skyliner 0cd?
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>>145007957
>>145008049


Not really, assuming I'll have 500 atk and upgrade the attribute (it's a cheap r2 attribute) to lv 40~ this going to do some nice damage to plate monster, which is the only use for the skill later anyway. It's 4 hits! And no, the skill is lv 3.


I mean, swordsman are weak and shit, but we gotta deal with the tools we have.
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>All this salt on shout against Clover

Give them hell, Clover.
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>>145008834
It's now more viable in kTOS due to the Blessing scaling with SPR and INT.
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>>145007783
>>145008152

Alright I think I got everything now, and I also know which path to follow now.

Thanks a lot.
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MAGA rod for 4 mil or cata club for 5.5? diev/druid on orsha btw, not sure if these prices are balanced since this is the first time either item was actually found and posted on this server.
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>>145008898
>Why wouldn't you just go cookie cutter
Because all swordsmen are putrid ineffective hot steaming shit, so I'm going to go with one that I can have fun playing with. This is like my 6th alt.
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>>145008390

Sword - high - barb 3 - doppel

This is my main and I'm 10 levels away from 280.
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>>145008898
>hop3>dop2 and use a "big ass sword"
>Finestra with 2H swords
ummm
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>>145008687
>weapon swap
>buff

go play the game and learn some things faggot
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>>145008978

Can I, someone not from Klai, get some screenshots of the shout?
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fags where i go level from 145+ demon prson what level answer
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>>145009440
>going 3 ranks in hop for shitnesta

LMAO

go play the game and learn some things faggot
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>>145009440
How about (You) play the game.
Finestra cancels if you weapon swap.
Don't ever reply again.
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>>145009286
Will it suffice with Barb2? I'm already High2.
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>>145009286

How's Cartar Stroke at 270 vs plate mobs?
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>>145009440
>go play the game and learn some things faggot
Oh. The irony.
You do know the Finestra falls off if you swap to a weapon it's not compatible with, right?
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>>145009453
Literally buying their tower location on shout in exchange for Salty Talts.
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>>145009624
>barb anything

wasted circles
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>>145009624

I guess. What's truly important here is the doppel part. Using DPE on mission bosses is the main source of EXP.
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>>145009624
highlander outscales barb hard in late (they're both shit but highlander is alot less shit)
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NEW PLAYERS WHEN
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>>145009869
When we get enough loading screen updates.
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>>145009631

At 20 attributes, 3k-4k per hit totalling at 12k at most per skill use. Cleave with stunned+crit however could reach 20k per skill use.
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>>145009791
>highlander outscales barb hard in late
Only on single targets.
Barb skills have extra AoE ratio which makes them better for mobbing.
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>>145009657
Good hoplite, cata and rodelero skills don't work with 2h swords, genius.
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>>144991379

All of those CryoKino tryhards hopes and dreams shattered.
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Biggest mistakes by IMC?

-Random matchmaking giving more EXP than premades
-Closing off new players
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>>145009453
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>>145010059
- selfpublishing
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>still bothering about playing swordsman
DAILY REMINDER THAT THE TEAM THAT CLEARED ET20 HAS 0 (ZERO) SWORDSMAN
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>>145010024
Correct, so dont make a 2h cause they are trash
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>>145010121
B-B-B-BUT MUH PELT3 SQUIRE3!!!!!!
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>>145010121
and they would have zero wizards as well if someone was equally geared as the sr2
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>>145010208
All swordsmen are trash. Your point?
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>>145009526
give answer when do I go bee/prisoning
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>>145010346
>check next grind spot level
>chek your level
>check current grind spot if you can still squeeze a few more levels off it
>decide
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I'm going to make a Diev/Monk.

Is it worth investing in the owl statue when I'm mainly STR based?
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Hahahaha
Type /name fartsnifferz
I can't stop laughing.
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>>145010575
DELETE THIS
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>>145010059
Making their retro MMO that caters to older players into a questhub.
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>>145010554
It still hits hard with 0 investment.
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>>145010074
Time to get some talt
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>>145009453
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>>145010645
Should I max it or 1 point?
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>>145010575
YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT YOU MADE ME WASTE TP TO CHANGE MY NAME TO FARTSNIFFERZ

I fucking hate 4chan sometimes.
I've been trying to leave 4chan for 7 fucking years, but I just can't seem to do it.
I hope you fucking die, you piece of shit. The world would be a better place without cocksucking pieces of shit like you.
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How much is this piece of shit worth and why is nobody selling it
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>>145010036

only cryo was really affected. kino still op, gravity pole hold everyone and raise is the same bullshit, you just can't cheese kill people with 40k hp with raise and pixel of agony anymore.

I'm cryo 1 kino 3 thauma 2 anyway. just waiting for my reversi nerf to leave this game
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kek

Hopefully they join the GBL on the opposing faction
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>>145008320
>Why?
Fuck if I know. Ice's attribute slows enemies, so that might have something to do with it, useful in ET. Giants for crowd control, I guess? And Destruction is okay for taking out enemies in a pinch.

Point is that everyone thinks the class sucks and that you should take Warlock, which makes even MORE sense in an environment like ET where there are tons of enemies to kill and use Invocation on, and yet the Elememe is going RC.
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>>145010834
pics or fake
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>>145010834
Post proof, I want to see.

>>145010895
If they do, they won't be able to war Clover because of the cooldown.
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>>145010901
Maybe because the only skill that matters is Meme cloud and the SR is killing everything already
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>>145008134
>>145007590
>I know it's a Star of David, but I've never seen a burning Star of David before this game.
Every asian game ever uses them as generic magic symbols. Didn't Solomon

>did imc really confuse a pentagram with a star of david?
Check the mage tower for answers.

>that awful feeling of terror when i have to use a spell with a pentagram
Why are you even playing a mage if you're a Catholic or Jehovah Witness or something?
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>>145010575
>>145010834
kek
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>>145010834

Haha, have fun with your new name

t. Valhalla
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#1134449f.23354552.15243541.1f2c3f516171.15213455.15243541

str with 50 con and 50 dex. Is this the right way to build it?
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>>145010895

this guy really hate clover
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>>145009631
>>145008049
>>145007845
>>145006816
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So Clover. Nobody will respond in game to me, so ill post here. Waiting to organize a 10v10 or 12v12. Respond here so we can have some fun, instead of me soloing you or yuckani killing people on warp locations after we let you guys live at a grynas event.
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>>145009980

12 only, even on plate? well, still better than helm chopper.

What about Stun + cleave vs 3x Skyliner (2 hits, 200% on bleeding? You think that cleave is better? Cleave hit hard as fuck, but I don't remebem if the mod is 240% or something like this
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>>145010305
You post a build that looks like dogshit compared to the dogshit it's sitting next to, ask for people to hold your hand and tell you which circles to take, then you get ass blasted when people tell that its dogshit

what is YOUR point faggot? Do you want build advice or not? pelt>hop3 is the only swordsman build, deal with it
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>>145011443
>only level 5
lol
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>>145011443

That's some solid damage. IT was without deeds, right? 2x quick releases of the lv 1 will be good. I'm going fencer so I don't know how hard Venier or Cata Rapier will hit in those plate guys when my rapier combos are offline.
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>>145011647
"duhh its shit reroll" is not build advice, shitposter-kun.
He wasn't even talking to you in the first place, you just jumped at a chance to shitpost.
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>>145011647
My point is that I want to know the best 2h sword skills, of which you don't seem to have any fucking idea.
The only reason to make a swordie is to get exp for team level while you wait for IMC to update some fucking content, don't get triggered because your build is undiluted diarrhea too.
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>>145012194
>My point is that I want to know the best 2h sword skills

Cyclone. The answer is Cyclone.

Jesus you are fucking retarded
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>>145011647
like this?
>>145011309
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>>145012313
Between High2 and Doppel there are 2 circles. Just stop responding.
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You know, I really don't get why people hate on Swordie when Doppel can literally double your attack. If you go Barb3 beforehand, you're getting at least 3000 physical attack (War Cry in crowds, Frenzy on single targets. Add another 1000 if you somehow manage both). That's a lot of damage.
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>>145012474
Well then it doesn't matter, does it? Take anything, you can't fuck up a swordsman any worse
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>>145012720
Double of 0 is still 0.
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>>145012474

why not pelt 1 highlander 3 doppel 2?

swash buckler is too good to not use, guardian's evasion too if you're going high dex. also, party play. you can swap weapons or just cyclone with one handed sword when mobbing for party, you can swash with dagger too
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Hauberk was a good boy ;-;
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>>145012994
But you don't end up with 0

You end up with 3000
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>>145012720
Warcry + Frenzy single target are together 700patk or 1400 after 10 stacks of deeds. The problem is to keep them alive. If they're invul they don't get stacks so that new krivis 3 unlimited invul isn't going to work. You could however farm those shrooms that poison you and deal a small amount of damage over time to get those stacks.
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>>145011596

Welp I actually remembered 12 was on non-plate mobs. Not much plate mobs around this level range. For the actual damage, see: >>145011443

As for stun cleave, it's in this webm. I don't know about 3x Skyliner at this level range so maybe ask around.

I'll do a helm chopper on one of these plate spiders next.

>>145012003

From my experience, not only deeds is bugged, it's also shit. Didn't take it. Yeah I don't fully charge it anyway and level 1 charge is decent enough.

>>145012720

In order to utilize Frenzy, you got to auto attack. Auto attacking a 120k hp mob is absolute madman.
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>>145013048
Yay, that's like a whole tick of meme cloud!
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>>144985664
>Chevalier
my heart
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>>145013014
cause he's an edgelord with a Truly Unique build that doesn't use the pelt. everyone has 1 circle of pelt, this man is making something... special
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FUCKING FOE TOWNSITTERS REEE
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>>144998914
oracle is needed in a guild for counter spell/prophecy, right?
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>>145013014
You can't take advantage of higlander 50% extra crit attack with a one handed sword.
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How is the cup floating?
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>>145013332
What's wrong with them sitting in town? They're all in OW now, so its not like they're harming anything here.
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>>145013146
If you think that a 10 deeds lvl 10 whirlwind doesn't outdamage a cloud at any given moment than you must be sub 100.
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>>145013219
>still this fucking mad because his build was called shit
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Guys, how do I join CuteNotLewd? Cutest guild, i see them around everywhere and I've met / partied with a few of their members, that was a fun grinding party.

I didn't even know they were a guild from here but apparently they are since I suddenly see them on the OP now? though with a name like that I should have guessed, silly me.
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>>145012720
>>145013123

This guy knows what's up. Frenzy is dumpster as it works now. Why would a swordsman ever want or need to autoattack 10-20 times? Especially at r7, it's just a complete waste when you can rotate cds and put out way more damage

If they made frenzy stacks build on all hits, skill or otherwise, barb would no longer be a waste of circles
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>>145013593
[citation needed]
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>>145006213
/tosg/ is full of bad

like really fucking bad players

most of them are theory shitters from Leddit / Discord

just watch how the butthurt and shitposting begins the moment you mention DISCORD SHITTERS
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>>145013123
There's nothing bugged about deeds of valor. Its takes 10% of your min attack per stack and adds it to min and max attack. You can quickly and safely get 5 sticks by eating a lapalase mushroom, or just pain barrier through an attack you don't care about. Losing 50% defense doesn't even matter most of the time.

DoV makes my Stabbing crits on harpeia go from 10k per hit to 13k per hit.
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>>144985046
Hey Anon, i have an Archer1>Ranger1>Sapper2>Rogue, it's gimmicky but FUN. I want to know what to do next. Keep in mind i don't care all that much about rerolling, and i've heard swift step attribute in c2 is a must, thoughts?
Also, on that matter, i decided to use the calculator in the pastebin to see my crit chance with sneak hit and it almost nullifies the need for Dex in the build, reaching 80%+ crit chance with full STR agaisnt 120 crit res at lv 280. BUT my guess is that sneak hit is a bitch to proc (outside of parties with swashbuckling) and therefore unreliable, but i didn't test it yet.


I don't know what to do next, but i have an idea, it's probably shit, but it's not like i have that much of a choice anyway:

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#314559ef.15244551.15213445.1a213641526575.31
Falconer and cannoneer is mainly for being useful in parties i guess, i don't wanna get kicked :(

Keep in mind i just hit rogue and got capture with the first point, i don't know what to build next in the skill tree on rogue onwards. The rest is as i leveled up, tell me about any fuck ups, i can buy a sp reset pot.

Thanks Anon!
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>>145013665
PM Plasmagica when they're online
There's a few slots open right now.
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So I have two nukellas now. Should I just dump them in the collections
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>>145013946
Do it you madman.
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>>145013946
Are you going for top 5 achievement? If not then most collections are just a silver dump.. the bonuses are a joke (exceptions exist)

Sell them on the market, you won't miss that +1 accuracy
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>>145013993
I mean, there are no other uses for it, right?
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>>145013946
What do they even do?
>>
ded game
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Anyone selling a Valia recipe? I'm sick of running 115 and it seems barely anyone else runs it either.
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>>145011596
>>145013123

And here's helm chopper.

>>145013831

Yeah I know how it works and I know about the shrooms. It's just that there was this bug for the life of me I can't remember how exactly how it worked. Something to do with having a full stack of deeds and something bad would happen, something involving your defence go way below what it's supposed to be and straight up death. Googling about it at the moment.
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>>145013593
kek are you comparing yourself to full con elememes or something?
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>>145013849
Koenigs are for loving, not for bullying, anon.
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>>145013849

If I were you I'd take Scout (1 circle wonder if you ever want to PvP, flare shot isn't bad either) or Wugushi for the broom trap poison meme combo over Falconer.
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>>145014643
I'm sorry, i thought this image was cute.
I have a friend in my group that has a hoplite with the same mindset on stat allocations.
He's doing fine, cookie cutting isn't that much of a necessity.
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>>145008134

This is the first time jews and fire have ever been vaguely associated.
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>>145014569
Hownewru.jpg
Not that dude but whirlwind with deeds will 100% outdamage a elememe, the issue however is stacking deeds against things that hit like a truck as well as needing to stay within melee range to whirlwind.
The damage however is absolutely higher than elememe frost meme.
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>>145014992
>the issue however is stacking deeds against things that hit like a truck

http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/640131/
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>>145014569
theres a reason doppel c2 is known as a glass cannon with the highest dps a swordshitter can output you know, emphasis on glass cannon
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>>145014514
I've never had the bug you mention happen and I use DoV all the time. Its swordsmans best damage buff next to finestra.
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Is Swift Step bad to be party wide?
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>>145014514
>Mfw my monk can deal 20k double punch
Poor you!
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>>145014992
>The damage however is absolutely higher than elememe frost meme
This is not politics. No matter how much you repeat a lie, it won't become truth
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>>145015090
Yeah because you're totally going to be able to afford them right :^).
And you're also going to be using them constantly whilst playing right :^).
>>
Some Valhalla nigmos checking grynas for Clover
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>>145014992
>source: my ass

>>145015159
And there's a reason elementalists are called elememes while doppels are not called doppelmemes.
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>>145014818
I can't PvP, anon. My connection sucks and i already put many points into STR.

>Wugushi for the broom trap poison meme combo
I don't really see a "combo", Anon, do they synergize or something?
And i would need to grab wugu C2, right? I don't think poison DoT can outdamage cannoneer skills even if i went full str, can it?
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>Get to Drill Ground of Confliction with a Bokor
>Whoever thought this was okay is either genuinely retarded or the biggest asshole on the planet.
>Fight boss
>Oh, here's some Blue Ticen of various ranged abilities and a gorillion HP while we're at it

>All the Ticen eventually explode on their own, as if the game's admitting that this is bullshit
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>>145015278
>I can only repeat what tosg shitters say without ever having any experience
>I can only follow the elememe meta to the letter
Jesus christ anon, stop your retardation.
Make a doppel 2 before you meme about them when you know nothing about how they work.
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>>145015206
It uses up a buff slot and the extra evasion won't do anything for low dex party members. Its bad if you push off a good buff with it. The crit rate attribute does not apply to party members that don't have the attribute.
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>>145013394

You know that this is shit, right? You need to put a drooling 600 str build to gain, let's say, 800 damage from this attribute. WHEN you crit. How to crit with a full str build?
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>>145015206
If your party doesn't need buff slots, those dex swordies might like it. I heard it fucks over other archers swiftstep attribute but I didn't feel like confirming it.
I would turn it off and forget about it
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Today is the day!
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>>145015515
>On their own
No, you killed the Specter Monarch's totem, it destroys the Ticen adds, too.

Drill Ground of Confliction wasn't too bad when I did it, but I didn't do it as a Bokor.
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>>145015608
monstrance, dex linkers, etc.

The same way the full str fletchers at wb crit.
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>>145013892

>There's a few slots open right now.

so are we just going to let the people who got kicked / left as a joke be replaced here or something..? I'm going to miss them ;_;
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>>145015707
It's not.
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>>145015608
Critical attack is way easier to get on equipment and hats than crit rate. I have a single hat with 64 crit attack, with the attribute it's already 96.
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World boss at legwyn mansion channel 2 varena
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So, the SR is bad meme is over now?
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>>144989006
Is your name Lana Kane?
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>>145015160

Hmm, weird. Nothing on Google. Maybe I've gone insane from all the solo grinding and remember things wrongly. In any case, Doppel's skill choices are pretty limited anyway and most end up putting points in it in the end. If DoV works for you, that's great. For me is just, eeeeeeeeh.
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>>145015608
Mordschlag against Cloth enemies!
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>>145016123
>kTOS only
The meme will literally never be over.
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>>145016123
Sr is still bad outside ET
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>>145015540
Take a primary school math class before you post.
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>>145015791
I'm pretty sure one is already back in the guild and I heard another joined a different guild. There's one more in the air that I know of, but there's more than one open slot. I don't know how many there were though.
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>stuck with people 15 levels higher in a mission
>boss literally oneshots me from 100 to 0

Who the fuck comes up with this shit? 15 level gap?
And why the fuck is this game so goddamn DEAD that I'm stuck in a 12 minute queue for a fucking MISSION and get teamed up with 15 level higher people
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>>145016595
Did you expect to survive with only 100 hp? Fucking idiot.
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>>145015773

no one is going to support a swordsman to do this. the reason we do this to fletcher is for wb purposes, even on cloth boss fletcher outdps doppel 2.
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>>145016496
No anon, I think you should take one instead
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>>145016349

SR is the same here and in kTOs we just lose 15% steady aim damage or so
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>>145016496
>>145016883
The solution is for you to both take one. You can even be in the same classroom
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>>145016883
If you actually do the math frost cloud is superior to 10x deeds up until you get an impossible amount of physical attack. But of course you're too scared to do the math and would rather just "no u" and stay in your little delusion bubble.
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>>145015315
They drop in tons and are super cheap. Are you dumb? It's not the only way to get stacks.
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>>145017291
10x deeds cyclone*
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>>145017291
Out of curiosity, what is the required physical attack?
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>mage tower
>not only are you forced to go through 5 floors of shit mobs and quests, but you also have some retarded npc following you for those first 4 floors and has 20 lines of dialogue when you accidentally talk to her
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>>145015501

The combo is that Broom Trap spreads Wugong Gu, which is C1. Falconer would probably be the better choice for party play though with Circling.
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>>145016883
>>145016496

One of you make a doppel 2 webm, one of you make an elememe webm and compare damage. If you wanna claim something, it's best to be prepared with evidence to back yourself up.
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>>145017584
Press Esc
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>>145017291
Oh the irony
If you actually do the math cyclone deeds is superior to frost cloud up until you get an impossible amount of matt. But of course you're too scared to do the math and would rather just "no u" and stay in your little delusion bubble.
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>>145017291
>>145017720
Fuck you both, I'll do the maths.
How many times does memeclone hit so I can calc for both of you retards to stop arguing?
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>>145010863

Kino was good because of Subzero shield though, now they need to be protected.
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>>145017561
I just threw in 1 million into the calculation and that seemed to be more or less the required amount, even assuming 100% crit rate, so around that much. Definitely impossible considering the highest you can get right now in game is what, around 2k?

>>145017720
>literally no u
kysmm

>>145017898
33
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>be pyro
>main damage right now is fireboomers
>swordsmen keep knocking my fireboomers around

what do?
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>>145018232
>>145017898
Oh crap I read memeclone as memecloud. Memeclone does 13 with a 2x overheat, so 26 total.
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>>145017898
memeclone does 18 hits x 2 at level 10
true multi-hit unlike shit like seism
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>>145018393
Knock them back
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>>145018232
isn't memecloud 32 hits?
>>145018402
>>145018546
errr which one is correct?
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>>144985046
Currently Cleric C2 > Diev C1
What should I pick next? Diev C2 is the meme answer but Paladin and sadhu look so tempting ;_; help me /tosg/
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>>145018918
Cleric C3 for level 15 Cure maximum DPS.
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>>145019028
No please, C2 is enough. S-stop misinfo ;_;
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>>145018918
Fuck both of them, go for >>145003979 and join our Zaibas club.
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>>145019108
Level 10, or 11 with Divine Might, doesn't even come close to level 16 Cure damage. Don't fear flying mobs, you'll be world bossing anyway. Everyone will want you in their party for insane Cure damage. You'll destroy Rexipher.
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>>145019309
>mfw 5k per cure tick
Not even geared but that shit feels so good.
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>>145018918

You could go into Paladin 3 from there.

Or for Sadhu you could try Diev2 - Sadhu2 - *
(if you're going INT)

Or the Diev c3 - Druid - Druid2/PD meme
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>>145007736
Your crits won't do as much damage since deeds increses your damage based on your attack. 1-1 and high strength build would yield the highest average damage, with the high str builds becoming more relevant as get more stacks.

Still, if you want to do it, you might want some form of CC. You could get corsair for costume and hook, barbarian has stun moves too right? I also would go something closer to 1-2 dex desu, then get equips to increase crit chace
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I have a pretty good feeling that this next Tuesday they're going to give us the kTOS store items.
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>>145018393
I just cry inside, because the dungeon would be done x3 times faster with just Fireball damage, but the fucking faggots keep knocking them away to do their 10 dmg hits.
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>>145019730
NO SWORDIE
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>>145019720
We will never get anything special
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>>145003679
What does Melstis even do.
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Honest question. Is it even worth it starting a new character? I feel like by the time I reach a respectable level the games population will be sub 8k.
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>>145010117
This.
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>there are pyromancers here that thinks their measly fireball can do missions much faster than a bunch of hoplites
I'm holding my kek for now.
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>>145019847
It'd be worth it if you have fun on that character. If you don't have fun on the new character it won't have been worth it.
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>>145010059
>Random matchmaking giving more EXP than premades
No, fuck you party fags. Playing in a party is already better in all cases, why not let solo players have at least something worth.
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>>145020001
>a bunch of hoplites

i would just afk if i had to party with 3 or more swordsmen.
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>>145019551
Paladin then. The costume is awesome
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>>145020061
What's a fun, non-meme build? I wanted to look into Rodelero but Lolipan has started to make it a meme with all his blogs.
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>>145018691
Going to assume barb since I don't know how to calc dps with crits
Also not taking gear into account
(934+85 (gungho) + 69 (concentrate) + 400 (frenzy) + 600 (frenzy) )x2=4176+1355 (skill damage)=5531
5531x36=199,116
The above would obviously be higher on a crit.

Now going conventional wiz3ele3
936+634 (skill damage)=1570x33=51810x1.5 (quick cast)=77715

There you go, I'd still go with an elemem anyday through since its not dependent on getting hit or stacking buffs (just need quick meme).
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>>145020191
Special snowflake builds are a meme too, anon.
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>>145020191
The "stop being a fucking hipster snowflake" build.

I'll suggest Cleric 3 Sadhu 2 Druid 2 full Int I guess as a fun build.
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>>145020120
>he doesn't know
Play the game.
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>>145020340
No, I will not carry you and your useless friends.
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>>145019819
Stops buffs from running out. Some really OP stuff is counted as a buff, which is how the ET clear happened.

I'm betting the Ausrine + Melstis combo gets removed. I think you can actually get 100% uptime invincibility with gems and Divine Might in tandem with the -CD statue. There's no way they'll let that slide. They nerf every other OP combo, after all. That seems to be their MO, in this game where the entire point is coming up with neat / OP combos.

Retreat Shot + Melstis will probably get changed as well, honestly.
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>>145020001
>Swordsmeme doing more damage than a Pyromancer
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>>145020191
Every single build is a meme. If you can think of a build, it's been memed sixty times by now. You're best off looking at a class and then finding the best way to include it.
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>>145020298
>since its not dependent on getting hit

Neither is the doppel with shrooms.
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>>145020298
Someone give me a response since its looking like the doppel 2 faggot was right if he has enough time to stack buffs.

Too bad elememe is still better in 90% of situations since all it needs to do is cast quick cast + frost meme.
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>Be in FP most active /tosg/ guild
>Log on
>See this

I guess the game really is dead.
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>>145010059
>-Random matchmaking giving more EXP than premades
God this is so annoying. You can't even enter the queue with your friends for whatever fucking reason.

The biggest mistake right now, though:
-Withholding content patches from the international version for no reason, instead only bringing over some loading screens and journal icons

People actually defend this, saying they're "testing it" on the KR version first. To that I ask, for what fucking purpose? There is nothing left to break and they've already been in kTOS for months. iTOS is starving to death.
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>>145020298
>elememe shitters can't even do primary school maths
toppest kek
Its like people don't even play the game to try and argue that elememe out damages glass cannon doppel 2
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>>145020446
>>145020401
So easy to gobble up misinfo when you're not playing the game, right? Just wanna get into memeing and parroting whatever bullshit is thrown to you.
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>>145020692
They're all outside you fucking NEET
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>>145020692
Everyone is playing iToS here, anon!
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What stats should a Paladin have?
SPR CON?
INT CON?
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>>145020298
>No reply from the wizard theorycrafter
LMAO
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>>145020796
I do play the game. I'm still not carrying you and your useless friends.
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>>145020768
Random matchmaking gives more EXP because 3 swordsmen no healer groups, lol. I really wish you could queue with friends though.
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>>145020956
Wow anon, way to go showing how much of a shitter you are!
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>>145021096
>Swordsman
>Calling someone else a shitter
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>>145020956
>Not having a cute background for your game
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>>145021160
>wizard player whos part of the elememe damage is unbeaten missinfo already got rekt and still trying to shit on swordies
kek
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>>145021224
Me with the cat onesie/hoodie
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>>145021224
That's really neat. How do you do that?
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>>145020425
>which is how the ET clear happened.
You can only clear Earth Tower with this combo? Shit this content sounds harder than i thought.

Also the skill sounds fucking great. If they remove the downright OP combos, does the skill dies, though? It must be harsh for people that invested into the class for this.

Somehow i'm starting to feel the need of making a krivis3druid2 now. I hope it fades away though, no more gimmicky alts.
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>>145020298
>not taking gear into account
You already fucked up because quick cast also multiplies gear magic attack, while sword is flat increase.
Also need to take into account you can drop 4 clouds every 2 (4) cyclones
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>>145021160
>he thought i was the swordie
I'm Cleric grouped up with 3 hoplites and all mission bosses melted in less than 20 secs. Explained Spear Lunge into Pierce. Made sense.
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>>145021257
>elememe damage
>i was just taking about fireballs earlier
Pretty sure I wouldn't be using fireballs if I was an Elementalist. :^)

Stay angry, inferior Swordcuck.
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>>145020298
This is confusing and doesn't properly solve the problem. Here.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%28x*2+%2B+1355%29*18+%3E77715

You need about 1500 physical attack to outdamage Frost Cloud with one Cyclone use, so 750 with both Cyclone uses. 750 is easily attainable, 1500 is possible without buffs but you need basically full STR investment and really good gear. With buffs, 1500 is easily attainable. Gung Ho basically gets you there from a decent STR + CON build with a good weapon.

So yeah Cyclone outdamages Frost Cloud.
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>>145020298
Isn't this like the 3rd time in this general its been proven doppel 2 outdamages elementalist 3.
>>145021347
back to /a/ with you
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>>145020298
I thought cyclone did 16 hits at lvl 10, so 32 hits from the overheat? If you look at damage alone than yeah, cyclone even has more potential once we get to r8, with deeds 15 and considering it gets +103 damage and around a hit per level.
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>>145021389
>You already fucked up because quick cast also multiplies gear magic attack
And deeds multiplies all sources of physical attack.
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>>145021389
quick cast multiplies gear magic attack
yes and deeds is a direct doubling of your attack

Just let it sink in you were wrong anon, just accept you got completely rekt.

Either that or post your own counter calculation since its becoming apparent elememes can't do primary school maths like >>145017720 said.
Kind of laughable elememes posted >>145017291 yet havn't posted a single calc themselves
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>>145019309
>Level 10, or 11 with Divine Might, doesn't even come close to level 16 Cure damage
It is in fact 75% of 16 Cure's damage.
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Post meetup screenshots. The only thing that brings me joy in this game.
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>>145021385
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>>145021931
Post the rare meetup screenshot that has only been posted twice in this general's life.
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>>145021746
How many time do you need to set up lvl 10 deeds, concentrate, frenzy and gung ho? Serious here, I'm trying to plot both skills over time.
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>>145021931
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>>145022076
Anon we all know that elememe is alot better in actual gameplay because they don't need a gazzilion buffs, no-ones arguing against that.
The argument that the elememe did at the start was frost cloud outdamages deeds+cyclone which got blown out of the water.

No-one cares if elememe is better because they only need to cast quick cast vs gazzilion sowrdie buffs
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>>145022076
deeds and gungho have like 60s of uptime
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>>145022241
So you're saying cyclone outdamages frost cloud, except it doesn't?
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>>145021846
Can't blame them, elememes don't need minmaxing to do respectable damage unlike swordcucks right now.
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Brb rolling a doppel
Oh wait I already did :^)
I just wish the c2 skills did more damage
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>No-one cares if elememe is better because they only need to cast quick cast vs gazzilion sowrdie buffs

Swordie doesn't even need a gazillion buffs. One Cyclone will outdamage Meme Cloud at 1500 P.Atk, which is actually doable just with gear, albeit really good gear. Gung Ho shaves like 100 off of that, though, and 1400 is pretty easy to get.
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>>145021931
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I made a fletcher but it feels weak in pvp
What's a better pvp archer to reroll
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>>145022758
You're ignoring crits, right?
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>>145022241
>The argument that the elememe did at the start was frost cloud outdamages deeds+cyclone
But the calculations that anon posted use gung ho + frenzy + concentrate as well you dunce. It's just so outrageously biased for the swordsman side along with not taking into consideration time for a D-P-S calculation. Also why is frenzy calculated twice, once with 400 and another with 600? It's also using 18 hits per cyclone, not 13. I'd like a citation for that.

The argument is as valid as saying no attribute level 5 meteor out damages frost cloud because it does 20k instantly but frost cloud only ticks for 8k per instant with 100% attribute. Fuck off swordshitters.

>>145021846
Also I have better things to do than watch this thread like a hawk, and looks like I did myself a favor seeing all the "WOOOOH SWORDIES ELEMEMES BTFO TIME FOR DOPPELMEME TOP DPS" circlejerking you shitters spammed while I was busy. KYS
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>>145023000
>Also why is frenzy calculated twice, once with 400
War cry

It's also using 18 hits per cyclone,
Cyclone ticks every .3 second, 5.5/.3=18

You sound booty blasted
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>cyclone
>meme cloud

L

O

L

hi im bokor

damballa = 18 * (200% + 1085), level 6 thanks to DM (you're a cleric so you get DM in your skill calcs)

basically same as 36* 1085. This is already 2x as much damage as meme cloud, but people will go "lol quick cast" so I'm going to lol back and say "lol hexing is a 30% damballa damage boost" and we'll call it even because you do NOT have the 8k magic attack necessary for that 50% to outscale my 30%.

"so its even" yeah it's even only damballa is on a 10s cooldown which means I do 3x as much DPS as elememe's frost cloud, checkmate you fucking shitters *drops mic*.
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>>145023337
A Bokor
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>>145023000

The uptime with those buffs is 100% and you only need to cast them once to outdamage a frost cloud.
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>>145023000
>But the calculations that anon posted use gung ho + frenzy + concentrate as well you dunce. It's just so outrageously biased for the swordsman side along with not taking into consideration time for a D-P-S calculation. Also why is frenzy calculated twice, once with 400 and another with 600? It's also using 18 hits per cyclone, not 13. I'd like a citation for that.

Here.

>>145021452

Proper math. You do not need much physical attack to outdamage Frost Cloud.
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>>145022779
me on the left
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>>145022831
Yeah. If you include crits it gets complicated but more importantly it just gets stacked MORE in the Doppel's favour so it's like why even bother? We're trying to see which is better not make the Elememes commit suicide.
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>>145023597
Eleme gets to cast a bunch of other stuff while frost cloud does its stuff though. Wouldn't the overall dps be higher?
Swordies can't do anything else while cycloning can they?
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>>145023000
>he needs 100% enhance to tick for 8k
lmaoing@urlife
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>>145023497
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Tell IMC to update their game or Licorice will "get" it.
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>>145020298
>gungho
okay
>concentrate
Only gonna apply to first 30 hits, and that if you're sword 3 which you aren't if you want to apply full frenzy and warcry. Make it 20 with sword 2.
>frenzy
That's 20 autoattacks on the same enemy before you can even start applying the other buffs.
>warcry
You need 10 enemies to get the full effect, realistically speaking you're not having that much
>deeds
I'm guessing you will get the stacks with mushrooms while you auto for your frenzy.

Then you drop your two cyclones, your buffs run out, and you are useless for the next 55 seconds while you try to get them all up again.

Basically while you do all that the elememe has dropped 3 clouds (with 10+ AoE each, instead of 3+) already and is laughing from a distance instead of getting hit.
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>>145023962
Shhhh let them dream.
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>>145023996
Sorry pal, you're a little late
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>>145023251
Warcry is -60 def (+60 atk), not 600?
>u mad u mad lol
kys

>>145023425
>The uptime with those buffs is 100%
Literally false. Also by your swordshitter logic wiz3link1sorc2warlock is stronger than frost cloud because one cast of pole of agony is superior hurr who cares that this is a ****DPS**** argument fuck time.

>>145023460
>3 classes combined defeats 2 combined, also disregarding time
Totally not biased. See above.
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>bought 3m silver
>3 new loading screens
>game is dead
>chitoge lost
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>>145024317
>chitoge lost

Really? Please be real.
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>>145024317
>chitoge lost
I call bullshit.
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Is this a new meta I'm not aware of?
And what's this bullshit about rain deleting fire property skills?
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>>145024367
>>145024368
harem ending.
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>>145024051
>>145024084
>>145024118
I would recommend that each of you scroll up to the original topic again, before this math was done and the reason why the math was done.

The argument is not, and never was, about which of the two classes deals more damage. The argument is, and was, about whether or not Frost Cloud is outdamaged by Deeds and Cyclone, with claims of an impossible amount of physical attack being needed for Deeds and Cyclone to outdamage Frost Cloud
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>>145023962
>elememe
>DPS outside of Frost Cloud

Anyways, if you bring all of that in, you also have to account for the length of cooldowns, what attacks are available to each class, yadda yadda. It overcomplicates matters.
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>>145024118

You only need to cast those buffs once though.
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>>145024413
Just meme ice burn
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>>145024118
>3 classes combined defeats 2 combined, also disregarding time
Totally not biased. See above.

Do you deny that you can reach 1500 attack solely with gear and point investments? How about 750? Because it seems like that's what you're doing.
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>>145024453
>pole of agony outdamages frost cloud ELEMEMES BTFO YOU GUYS BETTER REROLL INTO WIZ3THAUM3WARLOCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ELEKEKS
"no"

If your argument is literally just optimal single cast damage then fine you win. But this is a dps discussion. You have no place here just like build of kings is never mentioned in dps discussions. Swordies are shit. Deal with it.
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>>145024453
So you won a DPS contest with one Frost Cloud, congrats. Let's see you apply that in practice.
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>help soldier alan guard the entrance
>he autos for 2k

Strongest npc in this game
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>>145024665
>muh one hit wonder
See the post below you.
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>>145024679
No, the discussion was literally
>>145017291
>>145018232
>frost cloud is superior to 10x deeds up until you get an impossible amount of physical attack.
>But of course you're too scared to do the math
And now you have your math, except the goal posts move completely. The bottom line is that the math was done, the physical attack is not impossible and is quite attainable. I hate the phrase moving goalposts, but that is exactly what you're doing when this started as a matter of Frost Cloud vs DeedCyclone.
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>>145024679

>Swordies are shit. Deal with it.

It was always known that a glass cannon doppel outdps most classes in game. It wasn't known that you could pop Deeds with just mushroom. The fact that you can makes doppel glasscannon a potential king of DPS in game.
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>>145024051
Each use of cyclone consumes one hit off concentrate.

>55
Less than 50 seconds

with 10+ AoE each, instead of 3+)
Swordsmans aren't Archers, magi two handed gives +2 AoEAR like some other swords, others give +1

No one here is arguing that elememe is better than doppel, it is. However, it's not hard for Cyclone to outdamage meme cloud, even more so if we consider r8.
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always know your swords
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>>145024991
>Less than 50 seconds
You not using the attribute?
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>>145025013
Ako a cute. Cute!
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>>145025013
Comparing her to Koenig is insulting to Koenig
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>>145024679
>>145024839

>But this is a dps discussion.
Nice reframing of the narrative. It's not. The claim was made that Frost Cloud outdamages Cyclone + Deeds unless the Doppel has an "insane amount of attack". That claim has been proven false.

Nobody on the Swordsman side is claiming that Doppel outdpses Elememe, or that it's more useful, or that it can even hit as many enemies as Elememe. They are just stating the truth, and refuting an untrue misinfo statement. Cyclone easily outdamages Frost Cloud.

Meanwhile, everyone on the Wizard side seems to be pulling out all of the stops, desperately grasping at straws to defend their precious Elememe. Reframing the narrative like you've done, intentionally not doing any math because they know they'll lose. For some reason, they can't handle the idea that a Swordsman class's skill can do more damage than Frost Cloud, even when raw damage isn't the fucking point of Frost Cloud in the first place.

It's actually fucking sad.
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>>145025096
Cyclone lasts for 5.5 seconds, just like broom trap has an effective cooldown of 25 secs etc.
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>>145024958
>frost cloud is superior to 10x deeds
>posts math that uses gungho frenzy warcry etc
No anon, you are the moved goalposts. In fact to be fair I should be moving goalposts and telling you to show me doppel out damaging frost cloud+hail+pole of agony+dark theurge with max warlock dark attack attribute and standing in max invocation attribute. Starting to sound like an uchiha madara pasta huh.

>>145024962
>It was always known that a glass cannon doppel outdps most classes in game.
No, it does not "outdps" most classes in game nor is it "king of DPS in game". It is literally you theoryshitters crafting up some vacuum scenario where a GM appears to turn all your buffs on max instantly and makes them last forever so one of your skills does good damage on aoe ratio+3 targets. Again, your case for doppel being the best dps is as valid as warlock being the best dps because pole of agony hits hard once every 2 minutes in a pixel.
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Don't even know why this discussion around meme cloud. ideal setup pyro 3 wiz 3 outdps elememe already on a fight longer than 3 minutes
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SWORDSMAN ARE THE TRUE KINGS OF DPS

BOW DOWN TO ME
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>>145025187
>>If your argument is literally just optimal single cast damage then fine you win.
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>>145025362

It literally takes 10 seconds to have every buff up and said buffs lasts for one whole minute, Cyclone lasts 10s. It only takes 10s to outdps frost cloud, 40s to spare to use every other skill on the Barb3, Doppel2 side.
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>>145025362
Why does Elememe get Quick Cast, which requires 3 circles in Wizard, but Doppel can't get Concentrate + Gung Ho, which they get automatically at their base C1 Swordsman level?
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>>145025362
You had your math up here, too >>145021452

The original claim was that

>I just threw in 1 million into the calculation and that seemed to be more or less the required amount

You're so quick to try to argue against the original point being proven wrong that you can't even follow who you're arguing with anymore.
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>>145024317
when you win in the penultimate ep, you know what's gonna happen next
rip onodera ;_;
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It's funny how swordshitters don't seem to understand the concept of time when it comes to "damage per second" calculations. Must be how they managed to waste so much of their lives pretending to be more than a walking taunt.
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THEN WHY WERE THERE ZERO SWORDIES IN THE FULL ET CLEAR CHECKMATE SWORDSHITTERS
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>>145021931

Weirdly enough I actually don't have many meetup screenshots. Have this old small tower defense afterparty thing.
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>>145025013
her chest is a little bit smaller than koenigs
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>>145025786

The amount of damage a glasscannon doppel can do in 1 minute outdamages an elememe. Even a Shinobi with kunai combo can do it in 5s.
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>>145025786
And you don't seem to understand the concept of reading comprehension.
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>>145025786
It's funny how there is no "dps" argument here. It should not be so difficult for people to think before posting stupid shit like "it takes one million physical attack"
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>>145025650
Warcry alone lasts 30+10 seconds with an 82+10 cooldown. Why even bother with blatant lies like this?

>>145025695
Because the argument was specifically deeds+cyclone. If we were talking about entire kit vs entire kit then that would be a different discussion.

>>145025710
I used 13*2 hits in my calculations. Of course if you add more hits the difference is closed more easily. But by that logic, what's stopping me from pulling out "frost cloud actually deals 55 hits per cast" from my ass?
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>>145021931
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>>145026125

40 seconds is very close to a minute, only takes a second to use.
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>>145024367
>>145024368
Slutdera is the promised girl
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>>145026395
Is the manga over?
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>>145026259
Your warcry would be on cooldown by the time you cast your 3rd cyclone. Seriously, is time a hard concept for you kids to understand? Are you all going to roll thaumlocks to stick it to elememes with your 'superior damage'?
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>>145026259
>40 seconds is very close to a minute
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>>145024367
>>145024368
>>145026395
They're both shit. So is this manga as a whole and your taste.
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>>145026125
Because Cyclone deals a hit each .3 seconds, it was nerfed to get only one additional hit per level on itos.
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>>145026567
I want to fuck Illya until she can't walk anymore.
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>>145026259
>66.67% is very close to 100%
uhmmm
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Why this cyclone bullcrap when hexen droppen + fencer skills outdps deedsman on real defense highlevel targets?
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>>145026690
Don't derail the autistic shitposting into an even worse autistic shitposting, please
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>>145026650
Shut the fuck up, Marikafag.
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>>145026675
The exploits are strong with that one.
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>>145026758
Highlander has Skull Swing
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>Liru game came out before iTOS had a single meaningful update
Later nerds
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tfw watching old avgn episodes while questing
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>>145026675
>7/8 potential
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>>145026125
The number of hits was requested in this thread. The answers given were
>>145018402
>>145018546
and clarification on which was correct was requested >>145018691
You could have avoided any confusion by actually verifying which was correct for the original calculation. Nothing was pulled out of the air for the original calculation, you literally only have this thread to blame.

>>145026537
What is it you're having trouble recognizing here? The argument is not class vs class, it's the required physical attack for Deeds and Cyclone to outdamage Frost Cloud. Nowhere in this argument is Doppel being called a higher damage class choice over Elementalist. Swordsmen are not the players being defensive over their class, this argument went from an "impossible amount of physical attack" to "yeah, but Elementalist can do all of THIS while Frost Cloud is active"
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>>145027021
>>Liru game came out
source
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>>145022779
I need to kms
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>>145027021
Is it a full release? Holy shit.
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>>145021931
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>>145026903
>>145027127
This weapon was so very obviously exploited. What are the chances to get to +15 with only failing once?
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Is putting stats at a 1:1 ratio in STR and DEX okay for Musketeer?
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>>145027326
>implying he failed once
>implying it's not from trading
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>>145027280
>thingken of quitting
>Kusarihime

Too soon.
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Reminder to everyone who missed it:

You can upgrade your weapons and armor without fail by using Chronomancer's Backmasking spell.

If you fail, just hit backmasking and it goes back to the potential and + it had before it failed. You don't get your silver back, but at least you don't go down a + or lose any potential.
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>>145027463
Yeah, maybe not if you're considering some PvP
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>>145027171
For the last time,
>>>If your argument is literally just optimal single cast damage then fine you win.
I think when you miss me repeating this several times then you are the upset one too furious to read posts. I don't even know why you're trying to push this so hard because for all that prep just to out damage a frost cloud you might as well have gone build of kings RC/shinobi.
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I think I have 90% of the server blocked. Pretty much anyone talking on shout about anything nonrelated to the game.
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>>145027495
This.

>exploit on alt
>trade it over
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>>145027529
I wonder if that's intentional or not. You'd think it would just reset HP values to how they were before backmasking it's odd that it literally rollbacks the area. Unless people are just meming about this, don't have a chrono to test.
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There. Math done. You can end this stupid discussion now.

t. elememe
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>>145027326
The chances without any failure is 0.12%.
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>>145027529
Lies until proven true.

I wonder how this actually works, though. I guess the enhanced weapon is a "drop" from the anvil or something and backmasking reverses drops.

I guess it's fine, though. Not really too exploitative. Still costs a fuckton of Silver.
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>>145027894
I wonder if it works with trading.
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>>145027617
>swordsmen talking about swordsmen
>"frost cloud outdamages all of your shit lmao"
>"no"
>"ha, post proofs"
>"okay"
>proofs posted
>"um, why do you even want to outdamage frost cloud so badly?"
Okay.
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>>145027941
>that drawing

SO CUTE!
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>>145027617
It isn't even my calculation, which you should have noticed from the fact the original poster has replied at the same time as I have several times. The fact you haven't noticed that and can't identify which poster is "pushing this so hard" suggests something else. It's that people are literally incapable of following the topic. It's all fine saying "If your argument is literally just optimal single cast damage then fine you win." up until the rest of anything I just replied to is something far away from that. The topic was never DPS, nor class vs class, or even Sword players being defensive. The most defensive this thread has been is how quick Elementalist players were to jump and say "we have all of this we can do at the same time"
> prep just to out damage a frost cloud you might as well have gone build of kings RC/shinobi.
I wasn't aware Runecaster was a valid case for physical damage required to outdamage Frost Cloud.
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>>145028128
>>145028187
This whole debate should've ended with "okay, you outdps this one, no need to be so autistic about it." Can we move on to the next topic now?
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Does any Ranger 1 skills even matter besides Barrage and Steady Aim?
What about Oblique Shot for Archer 1? Am I fucked if I didn't put 1 point in it?
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>>145028454
People need to justify playing some cookie cutter shit that 95% of the mage population plays.
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>>145028563
No
Oblique is only for easy leveling
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>>145028454

Then why did you get so butthurt and started adding irrelevant shit that no one cares about? Next time read the fucking thread.
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>>145028128
>literally lying when everyone can see for themselves how this argument started
More like
>"your physical attack buff is 1 tick of meme cloud lmao"
>"UHHH ACTUALLY CYCLONE OUTDAMAGES ELEMEME
>>145014992
>whirlwind with deeds will 100% outdamage a elememe
>>145014992
>whirlwind with deeds will 100% outdamage a elememe
>>145014992
>whirlwind with deeds will 100% outdamage a elememe
>"you're not just talking about one single cyclone cast doing more damage than one single frost cloud cast...right? you know there are time constraints to consider for dps...right?"
>"NAAAAAAAAAH ELELMEME SUCKS DOPPEL IS ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY BEST DPS IN GAME"
>>145024962
>doppel glasscannon a potential king of DPS in game.
>>145024962
>doppel glasscannon a potential king of DPS in game.
>>145024962
>doppel glasscannon a potential king of DPS in game.
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>>145028624
Whoa dude calm yer tits, I'm unrelated to your shit-flinging with each other. You guys are going to shit up the next thread if you don't conclude your autismo contest before this thread hits bump limit.
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>>145028759
>shit up the next thread
I for one I'm so fucking glad someone is discussing the game instead of attention whore drama.
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>>145028105
>chronos sell you items and then take them back and keep the silver
what could go wrong
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>>145028680
Dumbass >>145013146
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>>145028974
Yes I literally mentioned that in my 3rd line in that post. I see you're literally, LITERALLY just trying to argue for the sake of arguing now without even bothering to read posts.
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>>145028835
I agree with this guy.
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>>145028680
>Why are people shitting on Doppel?... (with deeds and buffs) That's a lot of damage
>"Double of zero is still zero"
>"No, it's 0+3000"
>"Wow, a whole tick of frost cloud!"

And the shitfest began. Please, stop.
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>>145029068
So then how exactly was he lying about how the argument started? Because that's exactly how it went down.
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>>145028835
This.
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As QR, whats more important, STR or DEX?
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>>145029298
>>>"frost cloud outdamages all of your shit lmao"
The first mention of frost cloud was in relation to buffs not "all your shit", and things only really kicked off with "cyclone outdamages elememe".

>>145029194
See above.
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>>145028680
Which is great because you have this post >>145017291 with the requirement for otherwise being an impossible value. Leading to >>145017561 for the purpose of identifying what that impossible value was. This argument stopped being about classes and entirely about the minimum requirement within the target stat to achieve what needed an impossible value. Argument is over. Following all of that, the shitflinging can be seen in these posts
>>145026537
>>145025786
>>145025797
>>145024679
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>>145028835
Kinda funny seeing ERP faggots getting upset the thread is being spammed with game discussion leaving no room for their cuteposting faggotry.
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>>145029482
It's all about the dexterity, why would a quick reply need str?
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>>145029526
>being pedantic about the wording used
>accusing others of arguing for the sake of arguing
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>>145029672
I mean QS
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>>145029707
3 at least. More is better though, not like wiz has many skills to put points into.
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Original calc anon here, I just came back from shopping to see a ton of shitposting.
Why are people arguing right now?
Wasn't it already proven that memeclone+deeds outdamage meme cloud which was the original argument?

Elememe will ALWAYS be better than doppelmeme simply because they don't need a gazzilion buffs and don't need to get up close and personal.

I swear to god, I posted that calc to stop the original two autists only to come back to more autism.
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>>145029669
Cuteposting is not ERP.
Do not post this again or I will call the police.
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>>145029551
>how the argument started = how the argument developed
Epic.

>>145029743
>Why are you lying?
>how is it a lie?
>See: reasons
>lol whatever ur being pedantic
kysmm
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>>145029790
QS would be better off with being heavily focused on Str, assuming you're going for auto attacks.
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>>145029940
>literally roleplaying in a little girt that gets flustered at lewd things
>not erotic role play
Anon...
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>>145030026
and what if im going A2 QS3 Falco1 and Canon1?
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>>145029526
Cyclone is doppel's most notable skill and really the reason, together with deeds, to even consider picking the class. It was heavily implied that even with it doppel didn't do damage comparable to Frost cloud. Why do I have to explain things that are incredibly obvious if you follow this conversation from the beginning, Mr lawyer?
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*adds barb's ktos buff to slash damage into the mix*
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>>145029852
>why are people on 4chan the site for autists being autists
idk anon, you tell me
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How to open the gates in Nevellet Quarry F2
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>>145028835
Mmm yeah no, I'd rather go with the easily deployable and remote damaging skill than going there myself and spinning like an idiot exposing myself to vulnerabilities not counting the CC skills coming from the opposing party that can render my body useless.
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>>145030118
You and I seem to have a different definition of cuteposting.
And ERP for that matter.
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>>145030267
*adds blocking and missing to the mix*
*adds flying enemies to the mix*
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>>145030312
Kill the enemies in front of the doors for 2 hours and hope that you're fulfilling the mysterious condition that nobody has figured out otherwise it'll be 4+ hours.
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>>145030212
>literally an explicit post claiming doppel outdamages elememe
>not "outdamage frost cloud", "outdamage elememe"
>still trying to put a spin on things
stop posting
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>>145030267
How long does the debuff last? No, I don't want to start more shitflinging, I'm just curious
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>>145030160
The whole point of going QS 3 is for auto attacking so Str would still be better for you since a lot of your damage will be from autos.
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>>145030267
I made an autoattacking barbsair just because of autistic roleplaying/farming and new beforehand it will be underwhelming. The kToS buff would be something to look forward to, but I wouldn't count on it being ported to iToS
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>>145030312
kill stuff, after a while a message will say left/right door opened, activate the torch inside and kill more stuff until the other door opens, activate the torch again and the middle door will open, expect to be at least 1 hour in there killing shet and waiting for the messages to pop up
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>>145030457
The only one trying to spin things is you elememers.
Or did you forget >>145012994>>145013146
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>>145030409
>CC
>on Cyclone
lol
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>>145030507
ok, thanks anon
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>>145030507
>go high STR QS3
>get pummeled and stepped on by anyone who went DEX (everyone else)
At least I can still kill wizards and clerics!
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>>145030212
>t was heavily implied that even with it doppel didn't do damage comparable to Frost cloud
Dude, I'm >>145013146 and if you can't detect a fucking obvious joke like that you have problems. Pic related.
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>>145030582
Thanks for the (You), anon.
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>>145030467
Same time as current cleave 50 crit rate bonus.
So about 5-6 secs with overmeme so 10 secs per cd.
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>>145029852
I have both Elementalist and Doppelsoeldner.

There is potential of Doppel easily out damaging my Elementalist, but the danger while spinning is usually too huge. Not to mention you need insane amount of gear to even pull it off, minimum of 2x Sissels, Max Peta and Level 6 or 7 gems and always having your 2H weapon honed by squires for 7k (yes 2H weapons cost more to hone, bet you fucking thread full of archer faggots and mages didn't even know this).

However an Elementalists needs? 2 cheap rings for 500k each. A fucking gray wand from a level 250 map which you can solo. Less than 2 mil into rod upgrades. A fucking level 75 meme dagger. You're set.

You obviously need to pump millions into your attributes. But a Doppel has to spend probably 10x more silver into both gear and attributes to basically become a better AoE that has a very high fatality rate.

Being melee in this game is utter shit. You fucking lose so much. Your durability dies faster. You are at a higher risk of death to these sudden lag spikes. Deeds of Valor fucks up your game and gives you EVEN MORE lag spikes. Being a fucking taunt bot is the most boring shit in the game and it made my quit playing on my Doppel.

It's just utterly unfun.

ToS is nothing but a fucking archer / mage fest. There is no need to have a swordsman DPS around. Archers shit out damage with ease and are no brainer class. It's easy mode, million mile shooting with no regards or care about game mechanics.

Why roll a class that requires a ton more maintenance, skill, positioning, knowledge and WORK to be on par or just barely better than something that is easier and more comfortable?

This is the main reason Tree of Savior is losing so many players. The developers either don't know or don't care or just don't play their own game.

The idiotic /tosg/ retard level tier discussions about which is better is fucking pointless. There is a point where physical DPS will trump magical, just not in AoE.
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>>145030457
>One cherrypicked post vs at least 3 others, from the anons who were actually discussing and backing their arguments saying otherwise
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>>145030576
But doppel dps does pale in comparison to elememe so what's the issue here? The only problem is someone claiming cyclone+deeds outdamages elememe entirely.
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>Farming Socket Horns
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DO NOT POST A NEW THREAD
DO NOT POST A NEW THREAD
LET SHITFLINGING CONTINUE IN THIS CURRENT THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
DON'T BRING SHITFLINGING TO NEW THREAD
>>
what skills do i take on oracle2
10/10 change
1/1 clair
1/1 fore
1/1 reset
5/10 proph
5/5 death
2/10 counter spell
save 5 points for immediate sex change r8?
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>>145030659
I was assuming the anon was focusing on pve since they said falconer 1>cannoner. If they were focusing on pvp, then Dex would be better for evasion.
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How do you actually go full STR for a swordsman? Wouldn't you miss like 50% of all of your attacks if you literally went full STR? How much DEX are you supposed to take in a 'full STR' build?
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>>145030917

Wtf are you doing.

1/10 change.
1 clair
1 reset
10 proph
5 death
7 CS.

Save for sex change.
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>>145026675
>memo being censored
>not a picture of your waifu
Completely worthless.
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>>145030801
>yes 2H weapons cost more to hone, bet you fucking thread full of archer faggots and mages didn't even know this
Why would you even be surprised? Next time you get a two-handed item drop or recipe, look at the vendor price and then look at the same tier but for a one-handed weapon. The two-handed recipe will vendor for more at every level range. Similarly, the two-handed weapon would cost more to repair than a one-handed. It's been that way for the whole game. That's why you picked two-handed weapon quest recipes to vendor
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>>145030713
No, thank (You) for the (You)!
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>>145031062
They gain the same bonus you fuckwit. 1H and 2H.

Neck yourself.
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>>145031046
Zero unless its flying faggots, I'm 272 with full str.
You do however need 220 gloves enchanted 3 times with at least 1 green 6 gem.
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>>145030689
Of course I know it was a joke, but it sparked all this serious discussion ( thanks btw) and Mr autism around there is quite the literal guy.
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>>145031062
Arde Dagger costs 75 silvers to repair.
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>>145030801
Anon, there was a time when hunters were the gods of pvp in RO too.
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>>145031046
You won't miss unless you're using under leveled gear or in pvp.
You also will miss half the time against anything flying/archers but maybe thats just me because I havn't green gemed my gloves yet.
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>>145030801
>Archers shit out damage with ease and are no brainer class.
>Top DPS in the game is fucking no effort, no risk Fletcher
This is my least favorite thing. The top DPS in any game should not be easy to play. Definitely shouldn't just be "roll 3 circles in this class".
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>>145031127
I didn't say they gained a different bonus, you moron. Every single service involving both one-handed and two-handed weapons has the two-handed weapon cost more. It costs more to vendor, it sells for more to the vendor. Where the hell does the bonus come into it? Of course they get the same bonus, to the same stat. That's not what I'm talking about

>>145031271
Arde Dagger is a low rank sub weapon, not a weapon. Two-handed swords cost more to repair than a one-handed sword of the same rarity and rank. Rods and Staves are similar. Same for crossbows vs bows. Likewise, their recipes have a higher value to vendors. It's why you were always meant to pick the two-handed swords and the staves as quest rewards for more silver.
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>>145031402
>>145031402
>>145031402
>>145031402
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i-is it safe for a new thread yet?
or are the elememe and doppelmeme faggots going to shit up the new one?
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>>145031470
*It costs more to repair
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I can't decide between archer 3 hunter 2 or archer 2 hunter 3.
Leaning towards hunter 3 since growling is so unique but archer 3 is obviously the better pick especially when I take falconer at rank 6 for circling + multi.
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>>145027326

>every time some whale posts a pic of their equip it's +15
>every time

so does this mean report lolipan on sight
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See! Swordies can DPS t-too!
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>>145030801
>However an Elementalists needs? 2 cheap rings for 500k each. A fucking gray wand from a level 250 map which you can solo. Less than 2 mil into rod upgrades. A fucking level 75 meme dagger. You're set.

What exactly are those items?
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>>145030801
>skill
>taunt and don't drag enemies out of aoes
it doesn't seem that difficult, but random swordies really have trouble with it
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>>145034031
Wizard Bracelets, Superior Corona Rod with enhancements and the Arde Dagger. Except on my server Wizard Bracelets are 600k-650k each.
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>>145029707
>wiz1
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#21.15213554
>wiz3
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#2111.18213f516a7585

Don't fucking try to get Reflect that shield and cast that shit in my party erasing my haste/blessing buff slots are limited.
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