/dsg/ - Souls General

in for Poise

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any reason not to use the caestus over the small leather shield?

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>>144913584

Is the Wolf Knight's Greatsword any good or should I get the GOTTA GO FAST Abyss Watcher sword?

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Reminder to rev up your DaS1 twinks and practice your backstab fishing for the Reddit event this weekend!

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FC at stray demon bridge, PC
magic is fucking dominating

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<3

>>144914175
WHERE THE SUMMONS AT?

WHERE ARE MUH SUMMONS

>>144914021
Less active frames, no damage reduction on partial parries.

>>144914245
sorry, there are a lot of signs
i'm trying to get them in order of death with priority for new people

>>144914036
>Female hunter
>Needing so much vitality
>Using the most overrated weapon in the game
>Worst fashion
>Cutting webm after you eat shit
Lmao

>>144914175
>die first time because still had Caestus in off-hand selection
>die second time because I'm a shitter

Thanks for boosting my confidence in PvP.
I'll just use the "le bad Faith" excuse.

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>>144914036

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>Poise is literally a 0/1 switch that's just set to 0
>Can get banned for turning it to 1 so it works

>>144914442
N-No, you see, Poise now has a mysterious and unverifiable effect on i-frames after getting hit when relating to total equip load!

I figured out how to fix faith

>Make lightning spear range scale with strength

You literally just throw them harder and they go farther my resume is in the mail mr mizataki

I visited Fromsoft a couple days ago in Sasazuka (currently in Tokyo for a manufacturing workshop) and asked them what Poise did in the game directly. Basically said I aint leaving till I get an answer, they have no way to stop me from hanging around because they have no active guards.

They said that poise does 3 things and they intentionally left it out of descriptions because they wanted people to figure it out themselves:
1)
>the more poise you have, the less your thrust absorption drops during an action
2)
>the more poise you have, the more or heavier hit/s you can tank during a weapon art without being stunned out of it
3)
>Poise priority when trading with an opponent who also has hyper armour and or great weapon, aka 2 UGS swinging at each other, the one with the higher poise will not stagger while the other will and be awarded the combo

You can shut up about it now

>>144914740
well memed

>>144914713
Or they could just eliminate the range.
Soul arrows don't do more or less damage the closer you are to someone

>>144914309
>Female hunter
is best hunter

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>>144914442
>>144914442

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Well then, that sure was fast

>>144914309
That's the original memeblade, not the DLC memeblade.

>>144915050
The game is not meant to be played this way. It's ludicrous.

>>144914740
Not sure I believe this
Went intot aduel agains a fulll catarina set zwei user against my /fa/ set which has around 17 poise I'm pretty sure catarina beats mine out and when trading it was hit or miss who was awarded the combo since my dragonslayer greataxe could get 2 in while he was swinging and sometimes he would get two in while I was swinging
poise is off

>>144915067
Mlgs isn't overrated
Lhb and choose are the two most meme weapons

>>144915171
That poor invader at the start.

>>144915050
Need help with anything else?

>>144915267
I felt bad desu. Didn't stop me from joining in though.

>>144914206
why.

I HAVE FINALLY

BROUGHT ON OTHERS

TO CHEER ON

BELOVED PETE

PETE

YOU ARE WELCOME

>>144914442
The switch is 0 by default and turns on under certain circumstances. Manually switching it "on" is basically the same as turning on infinite iframes.

>>144915358
At least you got a hit in on him.

Gonna subhost the Stray Demon Bridge FC, since we have so many hosts.

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DS2: Hard as fuck zone progression, laughable bosses

>>144914308
fuuuck i just want to stay in FC and fuuuck

need another host

>>144915559
FC does not stand for Fuck Club.

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>>144914309
Why so triggered?

>>144914365

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>>144915610
IT DOES

SOMETIMES

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>>144913687
Sorry, we already beat the area. Took us about 5 minutes.

If you and anyone else want to we can bum rush this area next.

Password is still dsgcoop

>>144915447
What are the certain conditions then?

>>144914442
that's just Perseverance, retard
>>144914551
One thing I am certain Poise does is that is affects your ability to take a hit at the end of a roll. So if you get hit as your you're getting back on your feet, instead of getting staggered, you take a hit and minor damage but you maintain your motion I'm not sure if that is all its does but i have noticed this more when i wear good armor

>>144915731

Fuck, replied to the wrong post

>>144915436

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That was a sexy parry mr white phantom

>>144915731
That blows, I'm on my way.

The short bow is fucking hilarious, using the rolling attack against random hosts seems to confuse and intimidate them

>>144915672
>make cool boss
>make it easy to kill

this is why i hated BB
even the hailed "orphan of kos" can be cheesed with backstab loops

>Beat the dancer, solo, easily because sl.125 feels way too strong for even NG+
>have to play through the whole game just to do so with the same character
These games need a boss rush mode

I'm new here but why there's a tripfag posting Bloodborne when there's a Bloodborne general?

>>144916065
fuck off

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tfw Yorshka has no idea Gwyndolin is already dead ;__;

>>144916065
No one knows. Nobody likes him, he exclusively shitposts, but he's still here! I don't get it either.

>>144916065
/dsg/ aka souls general
Bloodborne counts as one.

>>144915940
Are there any that aren't easy to kill in a Souls game? The only one that comes to mind for me is HMPH without parries.

>>144916065
Download 4chanX
Enter: stub:no;/^!/

Now you don't have to worry about the village idiot anymore.

>post yfw poise is a 0-1 number

>post yfw all the poise values on armour all have decimal point values

>post yfw the actual poise numbers should've been moved over 2 digit spaces

>Knight set torso piece's poise number is 10.4
>tfw it should've been 0.14
>All 4 pieces of the set make it end up about .4 poise

>tfw poise was originally going to be a very min max thing, all about as getting as close to 1 as possible

>they retconned the idea and just made poise "activate" as soon as you had any, the current numbers are just flavour text literally

The total max poise you can possibly get in the game with the biggest armour and 2 yhorms shields is 80 something poise, currently.

If the decimal was moved over, it would be .8. Just shy of the full 1 "always have poise" total.

It would seem to me poise originally was going to be very wide and flexible, but you could NEVER get max passive poise, just very close to it with the most extreme setup.

Now it's basically useless by design. They probably found that washingpoles and estocs would just sit behind yhorms shield in testing for even MORE assrape than they currently dish out so they decided against poise at the last second.

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UNSPORTSMAN

USE

OF KNIFE

>>144916198
>BLOODBORNE
>Souls game
???

>>144915731
My sign is down. Do you still need people?

so I'm playing dark souls 1 for the first time, how much poise do I want for just walking around? I want that fastroll and all of my light stuff gives me zero, and being stunlocked by basic hollows is just embarassing

>>144916065
i'd be cool if he only posted bloodborne
he shills the everloving fuck out of it too

>>144915787
From what I understand:
>during iframes
This is what led to that retarded "poise damage affects the amount of iframes you have" theory. It's not clear why it turns on during iframes, but it's not that. The only reasonable idea is that they wanted you to be able to take poise damage during rolling, even if you can't be poise broken during it.

>during hyper armor
You can take poise damage during hyper armor, but it doesn't actually get you staggered out of it. It could also be related to it checking your poise during Halberd and Greatsword attacks, even though 0.1 poise is all you need for that to work.

>certain frames of Stance weapon arts, including charging Storm Ruler
This seems to be pretty much the only circumstance where your poise can actually get you poise broken.

It's a pretty stupid system, but it does seem to actually be how they want it.

>>144916126
Heavens...

>>144916241
it was probably just as broken as it was in DS1 so they scrapped it and did it just on recovery type shit and that funny roll stagger

>>144916198
There's a Bloodborne general
If BB is a Souls game then the mods should delete that general

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>>144916441

>tfw Greirat is just really trying to off himself and there's nothing you can do by the end

>>144916126
>mfw people think they're brother and sister based on her awful, shitty dialogue when she thinks you're a fucking crowdragon
>mfw only gwyndolin knew about motherfucking priscilla
>mfw yorshka is his daughter, not his sister

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stray demon bridge fc
magic users and enemy stands on a roll
pete has a win streak
everyone is comfy

anything going on in the PS4

>>144916607
They are brother and sister, only adoptive.
Read her chime.

>>144916358
Yes, Bloodborne is a Souls game. Your point?

>>144916509
BB general was created because console fanboys and PC autists kept shitposting in /dsg/ before it was released. There was never a logical reason to separate the generals.

For now, it still has it's own general, but people are obviously going to discuss it here since it's a Souls game. Eventually, /bbg/ will die out and this will be the only place to discuss it, just like Demon's Souls and King's Field.

>>144916509
blame it on the tard keeps removing soulsborne from the OP.

>>144916767
The only reliable counter to magic is fists apparently

>>144916353
Those guys are fucking annoying, Jesus Christ.

>>144915854
That butterfly is a sore losser. That was fun though.

I will list the only viable weapons of each category, if you use anything not listed here you are probably trash who probably loses to people who aren't mouthbreathers.

>Axes
-Thrall Axe
-Battle Axe

>Bows
-Composite Bow

>Claws
-Manikin Claws

>Crossbows
>using crossbows

>Curved Swords
-Carthus Curved Sword
-Falchion
-Carthus Shotel

>Curved Greatswords
-Murakumo
-Carthus Curved Greatsword

>Dagger
-Dagger
-Corvian Greatknife

>Fists
-Caestus

>Greataxes
Black Knight Greataxe

>Greatbows
lmao

>Great Hammers
-Great Club
-Large Club

>Greatswords
-Claymore
-Black Knight Sword
-Hollowslayer Greatsword

>Halberds
-Red Hilted Halberd
-Black Knight Glaive

>Hammers
-Mace
-Drang Hammers

>Katanas
-Washing Pole

>Reapers
>implying they're viable

>Spears
-Dragonslayer Spear
-Drang Twinspears

>Pikes
not viable

>Straight Swords
-Anri's Straight Sword
-Dark Sword
-Gotthard Twinswords
-Lothric Knight Sword

>Thrusting Swords
-Estoc

>Ultra Greatswords
-Astora Greatsword
-Farron Greatsword

>Whips
>whips

>>144917027
Missing Lothric Knight Spear and Profaned GS.

>>144916372
We just beat the armor.

I'm going back to firelink to do some things and then hit the archives.

If you want to come with me we can run that too.

I'll post when I'm there

wtf is that counter hit jesus

>>144917027
You're missing so many it's laughable.

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>>144916892
Nioh is soulslike too, can I post that here?
Or do you mean because they're both made from Fromsoft?

Can I post Armored Core here then?

>>144916892
can i discuss S&S here too?

>sleeping on the hellevator button
>knocking the host into the hellevator shaft
double rude

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AHHHHHHH

>>144917027
>mfw none of the weapons I use on on this list
Feels good, but part of me wonders if you're just shit for thinking so few weapons are "viable"

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>>144916358
looks like you're new.

you see, this here "series" encapsulates 3 others that share common themes, gameplay, and style, and all of them are explicitly referred to as spiritual successors to their predecessors by FROMSOFT.

this general is for all games that meet the following criteria:
> dark fantasy ARPG developed by FROM
> MLS is in the game

>>144917027
Morion's Blade???

I'd like to report an unsportsmanlike use of a throwing knife to the official dsg mlg dueling council

>>144917650
I'll beat you yet arcanist.

fists OP

>>144917027
>Using crossbows

confirmed shit teir loser

Crossbow's are among the most OP thing in the videogame. If you ever go up against someone with weapon + crossbow combo, you're likely fucking dead

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>>144917308
BB is made by the same company, same director, has the same mechanics, etc. None of those come close.

That said, I don't see why you couldn't talk about Nioh if you are doing so in comparison to the Souls games.

>>144917753
I was scratching my balls, alright!
My build and me are also both pretty fucking bad.

>>144917027
>no exiled greatsword
Ayyyy

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Alrighty, ready to run the Archives

Anyone that wants to come the password is dsgcoop

PC

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post your favorite mixed sets

>>144917308
why the fugg do u think kings fields is in the op idiot

>Morne's Greathammer
>Wolnir's Holy Sword

Why?

>>144917027
What makes the Battle Axe more viable than the Man Serpent Hatchet?

>>144918062
you look like a really girly girl

>>144917027
- Battle Axe
+ Man Serpent Hatchet
- Falchion
- Carthus Shotel
+ Storm Curved Sword
+ Warden's Twinblades
- Murakumo
- Dagger
- Great Hammers aren't viable at all
- Claymore
+ Twin Princes' Greatsword
+ Gundyr's Halberd
+ Partizan
- Drang Twinspears
+ Profaned Greatsword

2/10 for effort tho

>>144918121
Morne's is literally the single best ultra weapon in the game.

Wolnir's is just shit due to its AR.

>>144917308
>Nioh is soulslike too, can I post that here?
Sure.

I'm going to start a run on DaS2 so post fashion
I want to make a /fa/ knight

>>144917027
t. salty loser

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>>144917027
>BKG after the wombo combo got nerfed
>no gundyr halberd
>crossbows being bad
>Dragon slayer greataxe not on the list when it is not only less stamina consuming but also just as strong as BKGA and one hits with hornet also
>farron greatsword viable
WELL MEMED COMPARE

>>144918260
Alva's never disappoints
Pretty much the best knight set honestly

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>get first dorkmoon summon in literally three (3) weeks
>host is just standing there spamming applause gesture while 2 reds and a purple rape me to death
>mfw

I wish Dark souls stayed its own general and left demon souls general alone

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>doing invasions for the first time
>only have an SL120 character so doing SL120 duels in the woods because I hate myself apparently
>getting my ass handed to me left and right by super OP shit, ultra weapons, etc
>trying all sorts of different meta weapons (estoc/dork sword, BKG, WP... whatever I think I can use to just fucking win for once)
>since high damage seems to be key and I can't parry anyone because it's SL fucking 120 and everyone knows how to play around it and punish it every time, I decide to try out my old favorite, the Drang Hammers
>first fucking invasion with them is against a guy who ganked me earlier, this time with a blueberry

>after a long prolonged battle, halfway through which the blueberry beats the other red but I kill the blue, I finally beat the host faggot switching between rolling L1 twinswords and the homosword

God, that felt fucking amazing. Made the whole night of getting crushed worth it, a great learning experience. I'm still gonna have to think of new strategies to beat ganks at this level though considering parrying is for the most part impossible. Hoping I can find a way to make the drangs work at least relatively consistently, I'd rather not be forced into the ultra weapons only for invasions meme.

I underestimated bomb thralls, if you open the shortcut, sign is back there.

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>>144918376
>two generals for one series

scoot on over to /bbg/, you'll be in good company

>>144917843
>That said, I don't see why you couldn't talk about Nioh if you are doing so in comparison to the Souls games.

Because it's shit.

Anyone on ps4 wanna drop me a golden crown? Im trying into white fashion right now and it might go well with something but im not high enough level to get to archdragon peak yet

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herald or chain?!?!?!

>>144918636
herald

you're face sucks

>>144918376
That would be so incredibly dead though.

>>144918559
these generals were better before das came along
pc players are cancer and bring people like luci

>>144918636
Gross. Neither. They're both too damn small. Go Onion or go home.

>>144918636
you have such a tiny head

>>144918636
>artorias chest

nah

>>144918636
they both give your emphasize the Jesus Christ face your character has

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>>144918260
Hope you like farming.

>>144918585
Actually, the Alpha was better than the Souls games have been in a long time. Beating the first boss for the first time game me that feeling of accomplishment that I haven't gotten from a Souls boss since DaS1. The combat is more engaging as well. It's like they took all the best parts of souls games then slapped a better combat system on top of it.

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>>144918705
>>144918861
Don't hate me because i'm adorable

What is the most bullshit achievement in Dark Souls 3? My vote is for rings.

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>>144918585
all the "souls likes" that arent developed by fromsoft are.

especially salt and sanctuary, what abominable garbage

>>144918791
>X players are cancer

i only see people saying this, never the cancer either side is talking about.
try having an opinion of your own for a change.

>>144918942
gestures was more of a pain then rings. miracles are probably the worst with the whole darkmoon blade thing

>>144918942
seriously. it's just as bad as ds2 locking away spells to covenant pvp.

>>144919112
Imagine if the +2 rings had to be gotten from covenants in ng+2

>>144918942
Gestures for me beCAUSE I KEEP FORGETTING TO SUMMON HEYSEL

>>144913837
First for Iron Round Shield best shield. Small shield with 62 stability.

>>144918976
>takes off trip to pretend he isn't cancer

really?

>>144917027
>>144918171

>tfw Drang Hammers make the list for both lists

feels fucking good, man. i love them but i don't know how any of you guys actually hit niggas with them considering how short and slow they are. mostly how slow they are, with literally 0 fucking hyper armor, makes me sick. if you hit someone they hit like a truck, though.

>>144919081
>tfw didn't know that NPC summons could give you gestures upon being summoned

Fucking Heysel's gesture goddamn

>>144919081
Ill have to go NG++ for yellowfingers gesture.

>>144919112
>it's just as bad as ds2 locking away spells to covenant pvp.
They have done in DS3 though, you need hand in 30 darkmoon things for a spell.

>>144919194
I have done this twice so far since I never go cathedral first.

>>144915819
Not staggering at the end of a roll is based on equip load, not poise.

That flag is also not perseverencef.

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>>144918365
>be angry red
>invade in Aldritch playground for reliable backup
>kill all the host's summons and drive him away from the summon zone
>me+2 hyper mad faithful chasing host
>blue spawns right in front of our 3 man rape train
I almost feel bad for him... almost

>>144914175
Is it flash sword/great dart or actually Something big.

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PETE

YOU'RE CONFUSING ME

I AM CONFUSED

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You'll get your sun one day brother.

>>144919225
Use them with a weapon skill shield, the 1HR1 can actually hit people and set up a wombo combo

After finishing Bloodborne I thought From is fair with the trophies but Dark souls made me think otherwise.

does magic make dks1 too easy? I feel like it makes bosses too easy/safe

anyone want to drop +2 rings to my twink on pc

i can return the favor

>>144919407
>full havels
>not using his weapons
>1448x844
>dark souls 1

Hey!

Fuck off.

How's the swordspear?

Going to try it. i never saw people using it for some reason.

>>144919419

i mean that's great and all but 1H or 2H doesn't really matter they're still slow as fuck with short range, people roll out of it far too often unfortunately. like if they attack you and miss and you try to counter attack they have all the time in the world to mash that roll button.

>>144919472
Yes. Magic was a bit broken in Dark Souls 1 pve.

>>144919472
A little, but not nearly as much as DaS2 or DeS did.

>>144918897
>Actually, the Alpha was better than the Souls games have been in a long time.

I disagree.
It was full of incredibly stupid decisions at almost every turn.

>Farming for potions
>Farming for repair powder
>Durability worse than DaS2's
>Shit tier durability extends to armor too
>Procedurally generated equipment
>A combat system that encourages you to frequently switch between weapons and stances paired with a level up system that rewards you for putting a lot of stats in a single stance for a single weapon class
>Worse grab hitboxes than any Souls game
>No character creation, just Asian Geralt
>Blocking with anything trivializes all combat
>Walking away from your enemy and attacking when they chase trivializes all combat
>Stagger locking yourself for running out of stamina
>Shrine spirits give useless rewards like +1% healing item droprates instead of just directly giving you more/stronger healing potions

There are so many aspects of it that are just fundamentally contributing nothing but tedium or annoyances, and very little to the gameplay itself.

It's completely misguided.

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>>144919205
>trying to be the voice of reason
>"haha nice one lucy"

tripfags are always going to exist, there were more console tripfags in the old days than PC ones, in fact.
stop pretending these threads got worse because of the PC release, it wasn't that.

it was the natural side effect of this literally who series gaining more and more attention.

>>144919560
It's amazing and I hate fighting it. It has a halberd moveset.

thanks for hosting the FC

will cum back and fuck later

>>144918636
herald

>>144919285
took me an entire day of waiting to get summoned to get 30 ears. i did not wanna sit there and farm the silver knights for god knows how long.

wasn't it 500 victories in the covenants that net you the reward in 2?

>>144919472
Sorcery was the primary speedrunning tool in DaS1. That should tell you how broken it was in pve.

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>>144918636
my balls
hehe

>>144918791
>pc players are cancer and bring people like luci

Lucy is a dedicated consolefag.

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this is very spooky

>>144919225
It's all in the spacing bud. Stay JUST out of range of their attack while attacking so yours comes within range just as they're in recovery. It's possible to use them vs everything except spears if i remember right. With spears you gotta play aggresively or you'll never win.

>>144919724
Halberd and spear moveset, right?

the weapon art look useless beside the buff. is it? does people dodge this shit easly?

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next game better have a bow-sword

>>144919827
Idiot, that's lucy you're replying to.

>>144919898
that's if we're getting any more sword and board style games.

Anyone on ps4 that can drop me a golden crown?

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>>144919898
Is that Runescape?

Oh my god

>>144919840
People who've never seen it before sometimes get hit by it, but experienced players dodge it and can punish it. It also has ridiculous range.

Y'know, I actually got buttfucked by a guy using Profaned Flame into Swordspear WA. Sure, he was probably a SL 600 downscale, but the hitstun on both let his ganker buddies run me down.

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>finally beat Orphan of Kos after two fucking hours of trying

YEAHHH BOYYYYYYYY

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>Winged Knight Chest's wings flap as you walk

Moe.

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>>144920030
>tfw you made duplicates just to walk around with it
>quit and come back two years later saying the fuck is this shit

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neat. managed to jump up here using the tree

>>144919829
it's spooky until you follow them and then they just instantly disappear with no effect or anything

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>>144919797
lewd man :$

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>>144920154
>Cornyx's Set has far more prominent crow feathers on the back

This pleases my inner pickle-pee.

>>144920149
damn, did you also take 2 hours on asylum demon?

>>144920229
guess that's the best they could do with the models. since they pretty much abandoned the dancer's npc for whatever reason.

>>144914143
>implying anyone is going to go human until their builds are at least 3/4 completed
Waste your time, go ahead.

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>>144920030
yea i used the RS3 version because the other one looked like this and you could barely tell.

>>144919975
Patch it in boys. someone go beat up the nerds at formsoft till they do it


Also this.
>achievement unlocked

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>>144919709
t. conquered

>>Farming for potions
Stop sucking. It gave you a certain number on every respawn. If you needed more than that then you should have to farm them.

You couldn't just face tank shit like you can in DaS2 because of your million estus and life gems.

>Durability
The idea is that they want you to keep switching weapons. Plus the better weapons have better durability. By the end of stage 2 I was leaving repair powders behind because I couldn't even carry anymore.

Better than DaS3's system where breaking your armor is basically impossible.

>A combat system that encourages you to frequently switch between weapons and stances paired with a level up system that rewards you for putting a lot of stats in a single stance for a single weapon class
I focused on katana and just kept switching between various katana when one would break, rather than switching weapon types. It's not different than making a build in the Souls series. If you make stupid choices then you pay for it.

etc.


>>144920149
>two fucking hours

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>>144920408
nah, it was just lazy.

they had better ghost tech in KF3. Ghost alex would never appear or vanish when you were looking.

couldn't have been difficult to give them a looping patrol route and have them do the same.

>>144917027
Missing MLGS and sage rapier.
Sage outclasses estoc easily on int build.

HOW MANY FUCKING RUNS DO I NEED UNTIL BLACK KNIGHT DECIDES TO DROP HIS UGS???

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Does Dark Souls 3 have less enemy variety than Bloodborne?

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Modern art.

Can I trip here

>>144920842
no

>>144920279
>>144920647
Don't talk shit
I beat the main game in like 15 hours, Orphan is the only thing in the entire game which took me that much effort

Don't act like it's not probably the hardest boss in the game

>>144920842
Sure, but if you fall, get right back up.

>>144920071
I don't know if it was lag but I fought a dude using it today and I was able to sprint and have the WA miss me.

>>144920842
We have enough with one tripfag.

>>144920842
if ya want bro
no ones stopping you
the only people who actually use filters are retards

>>144920869
ok

>>144920842
fuckoff

>>144920892
Orphan was one of the easiest bosses in the game for me. I beat it on my second try.

>>144920892
>hardest boss
>can be chain backstabbed
o-okay

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>>144920842
Go ahead you special snowflake you!! so special :)))

>>144920676
>Dark souls
>They make npcs creep you out with laughs at the end of dialogue

>King's Field
>They make npcs creep you out by not having faces and turning to face you when you speak with them

This couldn't have been a coincidence

Where's the lore video that explains why Pickle Pee accepts the Moaning Shield?

>tfw no invader and blueberry rings

I wish they'd add those.

>>144920869
>>144920903
>>144920936
>>144920942
>>144920967
>>144920997

You guys are so retarded. You give tripfags so much attention

>>144920997
That's nothing i beat the game blind in 10 h with my dick.

>>144921272
Why would you need rings when you have red orbs and covenant emblems?

>>144921317
You!

>>144920842
trip this!
*unzips dick*

>>144920817
>handholding

>>144921371
He means like the white and untrue dark ring

>>144921353
Well i beat it in 4h by just stopping.

>>144920647
>Stop sucking. It gave you a certain number on every respawn. If you needed more than that then you should have to farm them.

It gave you 3, sometimes 4.

>The idea is that they want you to keep switching weapons.

And that's a shit idea for twats.
They made it so weapons within the same weapon class always have the same movesets, and then give you randomly generated bullshit for your weapon selection.

You don't get anything out of switching weapons other than having to keep asking yourself "what is the least shit weapon I have right now?" It is not a meaningful choice, it is just comparing arrows.

>Better than DaS3's system where breaking your armor is basically impossible.

It's not, for the exact same reasons. Having to switch between weapons and armor isn't fun and engaging gameplay, it's a chore. It does not provide anything positive to the gameplay.

>I focused on katana and just kept switching between various katana when one would break

That still doesn't address the brilliant design plan of "We'll implement a multi-stance system the players can freely switch between and then reward them for putting all their points in one stance".

Sure, it would be fine to make it so different weapon classes had different upgrades for character building, but when stance changing is one of the main points of the combat system, dividing the upgrade system into supporting specific stances was retarded.

>>144921272

there should be a blue eye orb for god sakes.

blues could invade even when the boss is killed.

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Alrighty. Anyone want to rush through here with me?

We can kill both this boss and Nameless right after

Password still dsgcoop

PC

>>144921565
fuck off??

>>144921565
>that armor combo
I don't want nameless to go ape shit at x100 speed m8.

>>144921565
Welp, we already did two bosses, let's race for the wyvern.

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>tfw using Red Hilted Halberd in PvP

Jesus, it's so easy.

>>144921664
Different gloves and leggings.

>>144921565
It's more enjoyable if you do it yourself! :)

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What pyromacies are best for PvP?

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>>144921776
I still don't trust it.

>>144921450
It gave you 3. If you farmed, you could have more.

It was like a cross between DaS1 and BB's systems. It worked well, and the Souls games would benefit from it.

The later weapons have various effects and elements so mixing and matching, especially to enemy weakness becomes fun.

Having to switch/repair constantly is engaging. Durability on armor in DaS3, for example, may as well not even exist as a concept because it's never going to break.

You only get rewards for putting points into one stance very early on. It's no different than putting points into one stat early on in the Souls games.

>>144921884
surge
whipe
chaos fireball
vestiges

>>144921884
Pyromancies for PvP?

LMAO

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Sorry about that, I BCed out cuz i'm falling asleep in my chair, will be back later. Love ya.

God fucking dammit, how do you get summoned as a fucking Darkmoon. I'm SL 58 with a +9 Astora GS.

I've been sitting here for literally an hour and no summons.

>>144921884
* Black Fire Orb, Great Chaos Fire Orb or Chaos Bed Vestiges
* Fire Surge or Fire Whip
* Profaned Flame

Only 3 spells you need

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someone post artorias the arbyswalker pls

Whats some good male sorcerer fashion that wears dusk crown?

I feel like I am stuck with a female with anything that looks good.
Even then I wear
dusk crown
paint guarding top
paint guardian gloves
Black leather boots.
Not that great.

>>144922010
family share
also how the fuck are you SL58+9

>>144922010
> SL 58 with a +9
there's your problem. you'd have been better off at around lv 25 with a +2 weapon

>>144921913
>Having to switch/repair constantly is engaging
I believe the word you're looking for is tedious.

>>144922010
change location / unequip and equip the covenant item / restart the game often
It really helps.
Especially do that when you do get summoned, even if you fail to join session.

>>144922134
Cheesed Dancer before it was patched, got all the chunks I could and farmed for Large Titanite from the Red Knights at the Lothric Castle bonfire.

>>144922108
you could try something like nameless where your head is buried in your shoulders, dunno

>>144922108
>Whats some good male sorcerer fashion that wears dusk crown?

You don't fucking wear it you turbometa filthy fucking cuck. Go get good with your build or fuck right off, don't you dare pretend to be fashion-souls caring piece of shit with one of the only pieces of gear that has an actual effect in the entire game

>>144922158
The method was a bit tedious, but the concept is engaging. There are better ways of Doing it. I think Borderlands is a good example of doing it right. You can tap the button to pick something up into your inventory, or hold the button down to replace your currently equipped weapon.

That keeps you engaged without slowing shit down.

Repairing shit can be engaging too. I think MonHon does it well.

>>144922010
>>144922249
Also I'm SL150 and I still get summoned so don't listen to people who say you need to be like level 10 with max +2 weapon otherwise it's over.

>>144922108
Nothing will ever look good with that fairy crown.
But try fire witch armor, pontiff knight gauntlets and painting legs. It's what I use for my mage

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>>144921565
I won the race

Alright, next bonfire

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Why is Dark Souls II Reddit's favorite Souls game?

All I see on the DaSIII subreddit is people jerking eachother of over how fucking amazing the PVP in that game was and ugh ugh Dark Souls III ugh.

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>>144913837
I need more of him.
Post what ya' got.

>>144922635
Because leddit has shit taste?
Also because it was far easier than DaS1 and they welcomed it with open legs like fucking faggots.

>>144921913
>mixing and matching, especially to enemy weakness becomes fun.
>Having to switch/repair constantly is engaging.

We're at a fundamental point of contention here. I think that's some of the dumbest shit you could do in game design. You're never making choices of personal preference, it's always a matter of straight up "this guy is weak to lightning, what is my best lighting katana" or "My armor with 23 defense broke, better put on my armor with 22 defense". It doesn't affect how you'll be playing the game, it's only a difference of numbers. That's not engaging or thoughtful decision making, that's micromanagement.

>Durability on armor in DaS3, for example, may as well not even exist as a concept because it's never going to break.

And that's fine because durability on armor is a shit idea for twats. There is no point to it, and the less relevant it is the better.

if you disagree then there's no point in continuing this conversation. It's a matter of different tastes at that point.

>You only get rewards for putting points into one stance very early on.

There were more than enough upgrades you could apply to a single stance to only upgrade the same stance throughout the whole demo.

>use FTH build
>die
>use INT build
>win
It's like pottery.

I'm out for the day, FC-guys. Thanks for the fights and for hosting.
Damn you BigGuy and your stupid knives.

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>>144922660

Am i shit at playing a caster, or is casting shit in das3?

It seems like if i want to play with magic i have to commit my build to it completely. If i try to balance casting with dex or strength, i seem to always end up worse off than if i had just chosen one of the two.

Is there a babby's first sorc/cleric/pyro guide that you could recommend to me dsg?

Also, if I'm playing a caster, should i use elemental infusions, weapons with built in elemental damage, or non elemental weapons?

Oh, and what's the best starting class if i want to be able to respecc into any other kind of build later in the game? Thanks.

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>>144922660

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I want your honest opinion guys. Hot or not?

>>144922986
It's shit.

>>144922873
So you must hate games like Borderlands 1 and Diablo. I don't.

Very Good G, P.

>>144922460
Yes, and in borderlands(2/PS) it was "use the best shit until you got something that was better due to flavor text" I'd remember killing terramorphous 20 times and never picking up anything than the eridium due to the amount of junk there was. Sure, it was "engaging" to a certain point but after a while you'd find 1-2 guns that'd roflstomp anything and only swap between those two unless you ran out of ammo for both.
I can't say anything on MonHun cause i've never played it though.

>>144922924
You generally have 3 options with INT.

1) Full-on 60 INT pure caster. Probably the hardest one the be successful with at not dieing, though with by far the best burst.

2) MLGS with less focus in attunement but more in raw melee with some spells in the backhand to help in emergencies. Generally pretty damn easy to steer.

3) Crystal Sage's Rapier and DEX. The DEX will allow you to cast much, much faster without using the Sage's Ring and while also slightly increasing your Rapier's damage. The weapon itself has all the weaknesses and strengths of other rapiers, but with added magic scaling. Easily my least favourite option of the three and I always see it as a bit of a middle path, having a proper melee weapon while still casting a lot.

Of course, mixing and matching them is also a viable thing to try out. Many caster use the MLGS but go 60 INT.

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>>144922660

So I haven't played in a while, it died down a lot? Aldrich 60 invasions dried up yet?

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low level invasions
fire clutch
swamp ring
cloranthy
fire lucerne+2
raw reinforced mace

there's probably better stuff to get but it is fun

>>144922635

Because it has the most build variety out of any Soul games with fun weapons that are actually viable?

>>144922752

>far easier than DaS1

Yeah right, because DaS1 babies didn't complain about the fact that you could lose up to half your life upon dying too many times and you could be still invaded after killing a host

>but muh stones

Yeah because having 10 estus from the beginning and popping manatees that instantly healed you completely was so hard in comparison right?

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>trying to Reaper+off-hand dagger the creator of offhand dagger spam
oh my sweet summer child

>>144923063
I liked Borderlands because there often were meaningful choices between weapons.

>I really like my Sniper Rifle
>New Sniper Rifle dropped
>Wow, this has much better damage
>But worse fire rate
>Or only holds two bullets
>Or it doesn't have a scope
>Or the bullets have slower travel speed
>etc.

IE, changes that actually changed how your weapon functioned and influenced you played.

Nioh's system is lacking because it's just going to be a matter of addition or subtraction telling you what weapon will do the most damage. You don't have to decide between weapons, the best one will be self-evident.

>>144922986
garbage in 3, literally not a single advantage over a normal spear, and even then spear are just worse halberds in this game

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thx 4 tha fights
btw i hate whip dittos, only i pulled it out against that one guy is cause he was parry spamming.

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>>144922878
>have faith in your god and lose

>get intelligent and win

Sounds about right.

how the fuck do you get through anal rodeo with those silver knights everywhere?
their electric attacks literally kill me in one hit

>>144923667
roll behind them and backstab, their attacks have a good deal of delay.

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>>144923413
>variety
>every weapon in the same class has the same moveset
>implying "fun" and "viable" ever intersect in any souls games with how prevalent minmax metashittery is

also if you think DaS2 was ever easier than DaS1 (yes, i'm including the prenerf version) you are deluded

the only people that complained about the health and invasion mechanics were casual faggots that summoned for bosses in DaS1

>>144923610
say that 2 my face fucker not online and see what happens

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Thanks for hosting, you depressed bastard.

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stray demon host here
signs dried up, so i'm gonna take a break for a bit
if somene could take ove rhosting, that would be nice
hope everyone had fun

>>144923783
Harder*

i'm tired

sl20 on PC hiding in undead settlement with dried finger and way of the blue on. come get your covenant items, i will be here for hours. tons of red and blues coming and going.

Looking for a fisting partner to fight through Farron Keep with dried finger on.

PC, use caestus or demon fist

>>144922010
Dont fucking bother, its pointless

You'll almost never get a summon, it's as rare as diamonds.

>>144923989
what sl

>>144923989
Which fire, senpai?

>>144923803
Thanks for the hosting and shenanigans
we were trying to get you to dark hand use and restore hp when you were out of estus

>>144924046
>>144924053
The farron keep bonfire, SL 95

its NG+

>>144923783
kinda sad that they took away the health/invasion mechanic 2bh

>>144924013
what? I just joined the covenant 10 minutes ago and I'm already being summoned

>>144924102
Gold sign down.
Pass dsg

>>144924102
pass?

>>144923783

Yeah, because the longsword, the red rust sword, the blue flame, the fume sword, the puzzling stone sword, etc, had the same moveset right?

Completely different from DaS1/DaS3 vastly different movesets.

And no, I don't think that DaS2 is easier than DaS1.

>>144923164
>I'd remember killing terramorphous 20 times
I said Borderlands 1. BL2 was garbage.

As for Durability in Nioh, it wasn't really accurate. They didn't really break, they just got dull, as a wetstone would indicate. They still did decent damage, just not maximum damage.

Weapons in MonHon work similarly from what I have noticed. The less sharp they are, the less damage they do, and the more easily the recoil from strikes.

I much prefer that to the Souls system where a broken weapon is basically worthless.

>>144923615
That's true with the shitty weapons. The weapons with higher rarities had various attributes that went along with them, assuming you had the stat points for them to apply, sort of like needing to meet the faith reqs of an item to use it's special ability in a Souls game.

>>144923783
DaS2 was ridiculously easier that DaS1. The only difficult fight in DaS2 was the bullshit Gargoyles fight.

>>144924186
What SL and weapon upgrade level?

>>144923370
define low level, your health seems awful high

>>144924240
dsg


also WOOOPS I FORGOT THOSE FROGS CURSES

I have about 3 signs, i can only summon two, sorry for whoever's left out

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Well, we beat everything else, might as well finish it.

If you guys want to do this last fight we can keep going

>>144924269
see >>144923874

even prenerf das2 was a joke compared to das1

>>144924513
Give me a few seconds while I buy some shit in firelink.

>gank squads are literally impossible to beat unless you're playing against some noobs at SL60 with a twinked out character and parry the world
>they have more life than you
>they have more people than you
>they have more healing than you
>they can summon more people in whenever they want when one dies, however many times they want
>can't punish estus chugging
>can't punish host infinitely running away and rolling while behind phantoms
>can't use mobs to your advantage because of seed, or they already killed all of the mobs in the area
>oh and throw in how OP magic is when used in a gank scenario while you're at it

Great. Fucking. Game.

>>144924557
Okay no problem

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>>144924479
>When your Master's set holds out but the host is already turning to stone

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>>144924627
>expecting good pvp from a series that has never had, and never will, have it

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>>144924687
Black Blade vs Chaos Blade

Which is better?
What is the point of the Black Blade if Chaos Blade is better?

>>144924292
BL1 was the same thing though. Kill boss multiple times to get weapons of varying damage and hope for better ones. Once you've got 1-2 weapons with a decent roll you're set.

I'd actually favor it if the weapons got dull actually, it makes a bit more sense. It'd go sharp>dull>broken if we followed basic game logic instead of "this weapon is completely fine, whoops there goes one durability, it's completely broken." At least through regular use.

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>>144924740

Dark Souls 2 had it

>>144924740
>what is DaS2

>>144924446
25

>>144924740

That's not true, dueling is great.

I just fell for the streamer meme where it looked like iskys was saying how much better invasions/"gank spanking" was than pontiff duels. Then I realized he was half my fucking level and that for the most part he was just parrying people who just R1 spammed and didn't know wtf they were doing, then one-shotting them.

Just fuck my life up famalamadingdong.

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>>144923610
i avenged samson dearly

you monster

>>144924820
Black Blade is objectively shit. There is no reason to use Black Blade over the other katanas.

In fact, all katanas are pretty shit. Washing Pole is the only one worth using because of its meme range.

>>144924627
If you want honor duels/1v1 go outside Pontiff retard.

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>>144924557
Once you are ready we are at this bonfire

>>144924827
You must not have played it, or played very little of it, if you think they were the same.

I prefer: Perfectly sharp > Sharp > Dull, with an infinite use wetstone.

Weapon breakage is stupid.

>>144924292
Even the Legendary weapons have variant spreads that change their reload speed, fire rate, clip size, scope distance, or damage that can make them more or less desirable depending on personal preference.

>>144925025
>fallen knight helm
>dark sword

Why did you bring that cancer in your world

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>>144924446
Come on man, low level is easy as fuck

>>144924740
>>144924902

What I mean with dueling is: in pontiff duels no matter the level, you can win with anything if you're good enough. I crush people all the time with the long spear or even drang hammers and other non-meta weapons.

Try doing that shit against a mage, a pyro, a guy with a BKG and another guy with an Astora GS coming at you, swapping to some katana shit when it strikes their fancy. Try beating that shit 1v3 or 1v4, it's fucking impossible.

If no one could heal during an invasion it would solve a lot at least. I'm just pissed because 3 times in a row tonight I got the host down to a sliver of health with my drangs and then he just rolled the fuck away and healed back to full while his buttbuddies tooled on me. Very frustrating, I honestly don't know what FROM was thinking or what drugs they were taking at the time they made the rules for invasions.

>>144925025
Okay, put my sign.

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>>144924864
>>144924856

>getting hit from 30 feet away consistently because of horrific netcode
>lowest skill cap of all of the games because of it's sluggish, shallow combat
>good

>>144924902
dueling was alright in DaS1, every other game has been utter trash, honestly, i wish they would have never added multiplayer outside of the message/bloodstain/ghost system

>>144922660
Because the time Leddit became aware of the souls series was at the same time 2 was released, leading to DaS2 being most of it's browsers first souls game, while most of /dsg/ started with DaS or DeS

>>144924627
remember back in demon's souls where invasions were heart pounding experiences for both players?

Literally rewatching Game of Thrones Season 2 while I wait for a Darkmoon Blade summon.

I'm already on Episode 7 for christ sake, and no summons. FromSoft\Miyazaki you fucked up so hard it's unreal

At least let us get Concords when we invade as a red

>>144924938

You're missing the point entirely, dickhead.

>>144925169
>i want 1v1 duels in invasions
??

>>144925051
At 1kh in BL1 and 800h in 2, i've played both and 120h in PS, but that game was quite near bad. While there are differences it follows the same basic shit.

>>144925051

>BL1

>piss poor graphics, ugly blocky samey weapons, generic as hell characters and constant grinding and farming

It's like you have a superpower and your superpower is having shit taste about everything.

Why hasn't FROM put a boss rush mode into the game yet?

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i hope that black bow was worth the death of your friends.