/btbg/ Battleborn general

First for NOT DEAD

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>>144449082
>not dead
You sure?

>>144449082
It's undead because OP keeps reviving it.

>>144449582
good

Did they make balance patches since release? Beta was fucking disgusting.

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> "He plays Battleborn"

>>144451417

One large balance patch and a series of hotfixes every week.

Galilea doesn't have a giant "fuck you and fuck your skills" bubble anymore. Well she does but it doesn't work as fucking retarded as it used to, plus she's has some damage and health nerfs.

The Incursion map that everyone prefers playing on got some big changes to it that immensely improved the way it plays.

Unfortunately there's been very little in the way of buffs for characters that need it. Mostly nerfs.

First DLC character is a bit out of line, she got nerfed once already and is confirmed to get hit again soon. She really just needs a damage tweak, though.

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>>144451524
>he doesn't play both

>>144448830
can we start a GoFundMe page to buy the devs lessons in antialiasing?

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>>144453912
>using ingame aa
>ever

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phoebe a best

>>144455993

slut

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>>144455993
>>144456120

>>144449191

he was first so he might have some validity to his argument

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>>144455993

Please don't let this game die

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>>144460461
The game will probably be fine regardless of the thread, friend. But the threads aren't doing much because whenever they start to move they attract shitposters, and the people who want to talk about the game don't want the shitposters to be a part of that conversation. Enjoy the game and don't worry about the rest.

>>144455993
It's a three way tie between Phoebe, Shayne and Galilea

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>>144462740

i dont get the shayne infatuation

mellka, thorn, phoebe, and gali are all in my dreams nightly with pick related as my number 1

THEM THIGHS

also dat A E S T H E T I C

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>>144455993
shit taste

>>144465331
It's the dike look
she's also a preteen

>>144461286

i blame myself for not bumping the last gen, i got turnt up last night ;_;

>>144465629
>literal white trash crack whore face with a shadow fiend backpack

Performance fixes when?

>>144455993
Too bad ingame Phoebe looks nothing like that.

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>>144466425
glad I'm not the only one that thinks that design is a complete SF ripoff

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>>144468632

she still looks cute

How am I supposed to do 2000 damage with blade rush? It's the only lore challenge I need for Phoebe

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>birthday yesterday
>get a small dvd sized gift from my mom
>she asked the clerk which game is popular right now
>she knows i loved tf2
>think it's overwatch
>it's actually battleborn

fuck that cunt of a clerk

>>144469068

i get it nice simpson meme

>>144468936
the final bossfight with the wolf suicide mission with the varelsi boss
when he takes you into the void phase basically kill all the hungers and wait for the rest to group up
take all the damage things and explosive rush
stuff like the max shield = damage and shield boosts

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average battleborn player

>>144469329
>he got it on console
smart kid

>Galilea dives me as Foxtrot
>she gets shat on
>does it again
>insanity.txt
>taunt the dumbass
>he starts beelining me for the rest of the game
>just keep killing and taunting

Poor bastard with his old and busted waifu.

>>144468936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1RBofLJ0J8

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>>144469510
>>144449191
waw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF5oIKubaz4

have a video

>>144469971
>kill a guy a few times
>don't taunt
>he manages to kill me once
>he taunts
>ohitsfuckingonnow
>focus and kill him
>taunt every time
>win
fuck taunters

>>144465629
Hottest voice on the worst girl
What was gearbox thinking

>>144472095
>guy is steam rolling our entire team, no deaths
>get the drop on him while he was trying to teleport back to base
>taunt after killing him
>he leaves the match

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>>144474427

>>144471356
console?

>>144473886
She sounds like a 13yo

>>144469329
I wonder which figurine he got

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>>144475782

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>>144474882
PC.

>>144475782
Shayne? Her lore says she's still a preteen

Montana likes Thorn. I haven't heard if Thorn cares or not.

Ghalt and Reyna used to be an item?

Phoebe is sexually attracted to Caldarius's power armor.

Whiskey and Deande have been hooking up via internet long enough that they have a 'usual spot.'

Anyone else?

>>144479325
Benedict loves himself and had a wife who may or may not have died when the aviant world was destroyed.

Whiskey is one of her biggest info sources.
He gives info, she gives sex.

>>144465331
Shayne, because some people like small tits, and she has really nice small tits

>>144479151
I still don't see the problem here

>>144468905
She looks like dogshit like all other Gearbox characters do in the game. Her design is cute, like Alani's.

>>144479325
Thorn talks about Montana fondly, so we can assume they both like each other

ISIC is in love with killing himself, and has a for disembodied kneecaps

Phoebe wants Caldarius because he vibrates and isn't a machine

Whiskey and Deande I could believe, but I prefer OM personally

Orendi and toby

Marquis is robutt gay for ISIC

Mellka is a dyke in a sea of straight women. Maybe she can fuck fishlips or something

Reyna is mom

>>144481058
No no, ISIC is just Marquis' spirit animal.

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Mellka

>>144481174
I thought that was owls

>>144481684
Marquis likes owls because he was programmed to like owls. He sees ISIC as a superior spirit animal through his own sentience.

More drawfags need to play this game.

>>144481793
Ah I see

>>144451524

Battleborn is fun


Overwatch is (even witch all the Blizzard hype) only a 7/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9aMpjYFaTk


I am happy I play the superior game. Love Battleborn and enjoying every second

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>>144483304

Angry Joe's review was half baked as fuck. He complains about how you can't directly buy skins, while not mentioning at all that you can with in game currency. He also says that switching characters around to counter the enemy team is "balancing issues" when Blizzard made the game to be played like that, instead of maining the same damn character for every match.

But yeah, I'm sure the 700ish people watching Stillborn on Twitch will agree with you about how superior their game is to a triple AAA, beautifully polished, addictive shooter like Overwatch.

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>>144486015
>addictive
The gameplay is samey as fuck. I played the beta for a bit and just got bored. I'm glad you enjoy it though. Have fun, anon.

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>>144486589
get three coffins ready: evolve, colonial marines and duke nukem.

oh I forgot a fourth: battleborn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_GcxkmW4Y

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>>144487669
Ebin

>>144481058
>Whiskey and Deande I could believe, but I prefer OM personally

Whiskey's lore challenge Some Find Me Repulsive gives you a transcript of his review after buying stickies and getting his gun modded.
There's a private comment attached that says 'why would you trust an <OC alien species> with a gun mod, that shit looks awful, also hey sexy want sum fuk?'
The comment is from a user named 'FANOFTHEEMPIRE,' which is also the first title you get from leveling Deande.

I know I am bit too late but man does Incursion have so many flaws.

It and Meltdown are two completely different things at this point.

>>144486015
but the constant character switching is kind of a boring thing because the impact of character choices is rendered moot when you can switch out whenever you want. Not to mention there's many characters that are completely useless because the are counterpointed not by characters but shitty mechanics/stats or super limited usage that you cannot call a "nich"e because it's a niche of a niche


If they make ranked/comp queues limit it to 2 per person or 7 per team so switches and picks havem ore impact.

>>144431108
>Snipers in BB are broken as fuck, enjoy it while it lasts

Another reason why I want toby changed. He's stupid broken at range when he's allowed to have his way, but he has to be so easy to jump on in order to balance it out. I'd much rather he be far better at mid-close range combat and long range is negligible harass.

>>144487669
It's alright pal, you picked the wrong game. No shame in that nobody here's gonna judge just have a good time :^).

>>144487669

evolve wasnt gearbox but i get where you're comin from

ur buttmad about some game you dont play

classic memer

I understand dividing matchmaking by region but further dividing it for PvP, Co-op, and private is killing matchmaking. I'm not going to wait 10+ minutes to find a fucking match.

>>144492390
meming the memers.

>>144489735
Toby just needs a better ult and shield.
Snipers in BB do well because they hard counter guys with massive as hell hitboxes like Kleese (every sniper eats him alive)

>>144493315
Toby either needs his ult to not be a shitty Isic ult with a massive startup and complete loss of his defense mechanics or a new one entirely

>>144492731
I don't even understand why they can't pick best region and have everyone in the same queue. I'd rather take high ping and decent matchmaking than low ping and shitty games.

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DEAD GAME LOL
THIS GAME SO SHIT

>>144499671

Thanks for the bump, friend :)

>>144499671
nigger :^)

Ambra's Solar wind lore challenge is total BS.
Shit got nerfed in damage so you have to grind it out in one place in story mode to get the kills and it's a fucking long cd skill so even if you do find one of many grind spots you have to wait between cd's.

>>144501002
I hope you report to gearbox, dont just post here
this shit is garbage, these fucking lore challenges borderline requiring specific fucking gear and PVE level sections
>Phoebe

who fucking coded this game, these fps drops are worse than anything I've experienced in 5 years

>>144502780
>I alt tabbed to post this
>battleborn decides to not let me alt tab back to it
>process in task manager is only background, not active
>lose progress in the mission I was in
I'm literally done. Game is fun, I like the heroes, but I can't abide by this. These programmers need to be named and shamed - this is an insulting level of work. The quality does not exist.
>I lost 20 minutes of work on a mission
I hope they kill themselves.

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>blizzdrones still shitting up the general

gee whiz, it's just like you've got nothing better to do, did your little gem turn out to be shallow, boring and repetitive as fuck?

>>144502970
you already posted this several days ago bruv, one star

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>>144503459
you sound salty.

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Battleborn has the BEST character design in vidya. Instead of waifu-bait, we get REAL women.

>>144503459
>several days ago
try a single day ago
and it fucking happened again
yeah, I'm fucking mad

>>144502970
Never play in true fullscreen mode. Also never hit alt-f4 while outside the game, because the game will respond to the key combination sometimes and close out. The game is unfinished and lacks polish, and it shows everywhere.

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pity bump

>>144505589
dont pity me, pity my optimization

>>144506047
>I would rather tab back in to a dota game than this
I hope they're sad. I hope that shit burns deep in their souls. Punishment.

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>>144505589
-15% stopped playing this garbage after a month

>>144509618
>double negative

expected nothing else from a blizzdrone

>>144502970

>playing for pve

you missed the point a while ago

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>>144504209

>Oscar Mike on meltdown
>Do I have to specify map? The meltdown map
>Other guys have a Kleese
>See him standing still shooting at minions
>Run around behind him
>He melts because lol 60% shield pen
>Just stands there like a dumbass
>This happens many more times
>Jump him and he just ignores me despite getting his shit pushed in
>Steamroll these motherfuckers
some people shouldn't play this game

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>1 hour passed in the queue
>Check player stats
>1600 player on sunday
WAKE ME UP

>>144518561
its almost like america is asleep

>>144519385
It's 7 AM in Los Angeles 10 AM in New York. WAKE UP USA.

>>144519508
people like to sleep in super late on sundays, it's a fact
I literally work up at 11am today

SoBayed OVERWATCH SoBayed KILLER SoBayed

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>>144451524
I play both

Here come some bumps guys :)

LUL OVERWATCH LUL KILLER LUL

EleGiggle OVERWATCH EleGiggle KILLER EleGiggle

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_______BORN

MingLee OVERWATCH MingLee KILLER MingLee

Now now Overwatch friends, don't bully Battleborn players

SriHead OVERWATCH SriHead KILLER SriHead

Anybody else see the news that Battleborn's lead writer left gearbox for unspecified new opportunities?

>>144520591
stay hydratedborn?

what did he mean by this?

page 10 4Head

>>144521923
He means you're thirsty for a better game.

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>>144527491
Savage

>Months from now Battleborn general is truly dead
>Except the shitposters keep reviving the thread to continue shitposting
>They go between a mixture of trying to shitpost towards each other or shitposting themselves because they can't tell that there aren't anymore Battleborn players left
>Battleborn Generals become a high density singularity of shitposting containing all shitposters for all eternity

At least it will be useful for something.

>>144520658
>>144520747
>>144520591
You guys, if you want to actually talk about Overwatch here because your general is so shit, you can.
You have my permission.

>>144479601
Maybe it's actually her clone that's giving the sex.

>>144481058
>Orendi and Toby
Fucking christ, god why.

>>144481058
Oscar Mike loves Oscar Mike, considering that on planet Mike, there's a King and Queen Mike

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>>144530530
>Shitposting takes a form of its own
I can see it now.

>>144486015
>Halfbaked as fuck
>Complains about how you can''t directly buy skins, while not mentioning at all that you can with in game currency

Typical Overbotch shill. He -literally- says right before that you can grind it out in game.

>>144504312
>copypasta

>>144521383
It's been posted like five times already.

>>144532238
>thinking thats pasta
Nigger you what?

>>144453248
I love this one

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Who wants to play Kleese for me?

>>144539674
How did you get all those minion kills with plasma dash?
Do you just pay ISIC a lot or did you grind a level?

>>144503459

Yeah, and they wonder why no one posts here

I guess they did their job

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Let have a Marquis discussion.

Is he right for this game? I see a lot of people calling him broken simply because of him being a sniper. I've thought about it that way too because of the laney-ness MOBA style of the game. The game's maps seem ripe for the picking for Marquis.

Is he right for this game? Not unlike every other character in the game, except for Beneshit, he's pretty fun to play as.

YOU... tell me.

How easy would you guys say it is for a completely new player with no friends with the game to get into BB and be competitive in PvP?

>>144543503

What platform?

>>144543550

PC

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>>144543634
if you're any good at shooters, you'll be fine

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/r/ Caldarius pic related

>>144543503
you have to think a little differently in battleborn compared to other FPS. taking meltdown as an example, if chasing down a player kill means their minion wave will reach their altar, you actually might have to stop and kill the minions instead or they get the cost of a player death right back.

kills mean nothing, throne means everything as the old dota saying goes. think of the game as a dotalike with actual skill requirements and you'll be golden.

>>144543503

Just remember BB is a MOBA and you're good

>>144501991
I report my shit everywhere gearbox has been known to check on.

>>144504545
>true fullscreen mode.

I'm surprised people still do that. Like I have fullscreen windowed because I hate the steam browser with a passion and I always surf the internet while I play.

>>144550861
>tfw trying to get double kills with Toby's ult

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>Be playing incursion
>team is actually working pretty well and we are keeping on the pressure and hurting them.
>all of a sudden we are all dead and get pushed back for a few minutes before regaining the edge.
>This repeats for the full game and we lose by A SINGLE FUCKING POINT!
>MFW

It was a great game but jesus christ losing after fucking the other team for most of the time was painful

>>144553327
Isn't his Ult the same sort of thing as ISIC's? A big FUCK YOU beam

>>144553813
It's a big laser with a charge up, ISIC's increases his dps and adds a large cannon besides the machine guns. ISIC's also doesn't have a timer on it

>>144553813
except you have a giant fucking crit spot compared to isic's tiny skull, have less hp, move slower, cannot overshield your ult and the laser itself does fuck all damage

also it's timed

>>144554072
You could prob get the challenge on Meltdown since there are pretty long sight lines. Although if you get a Miko or someone else with a Slowdown AoE.

>>144553813
You're thinking of Marquis.

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>>144544432
>>144544208
I want to see more OC
speaking of which

>Here's my shitty OC

Am I wrong or does the game only tell you when players on your team rejoin the game? I swear sometimes I see enemy players ragequitting but minutes later they are back in the game with no notification.

>>144556937
No it should tell you when it is someone on the other side comes back. It usually says something like "ENEMY XxXCockSuckerXxX has rejoined"

It's easy to miss it though since it is a small box on the left of the screen.

>>144554116
Toby ult overhaul when

In the 20+ games I've played as him in I've never actually used it at all, the railgun simply does more damage

>>144557903
>Ult overhaul
How bout a kit overhaul?

When I saw that one of his attributes was Territorial and given the other members of the rogue faction I thought he'd be a tanky frontliner zoning people with his mech suit and generally being tanky.

Instead territorial means being able to do a lot of damage at range, which means Marquis could be considered territorial too.

What I'd like to see:

Take away his stupid zoom, give him melee attack on left click and railgun shots on right click. (opposite of Shayne+Aurox)

Make his charge mechanic unique. Melee attacking or taking damage on your shield charges your railgun. Your railgun holds x amount of shots which can be fired at your leisure with right click. Balance this around the damage you give his railgun and how available you want it to be.


Make his shield project in front of him, it moves with him and is always in front of him. He's already got his passive dashes, so he could easily dash out of a fight backwards and pop his shield or use it to press forwards and get bonuses on his railgun damage.

Give his ultimate increased damage based on how many railgun charges he has. If you take the helix upgrade that turnes your ultimate into 3 concentrated beam projectiles then increase the number of projectiles with the railgun charges. And either remove the channeling time before it fires or remove his reduced mobility. That's too many inhibitions on something that you expect people to get double kills with.

To sum up Gailiea in two sentences it's either

>Galilea has X... for some reason.
or
>Galilea can do Y much better and/or with little cost.

How long till they close the servers and blame the "toxic community" for kiling their game despite their own horrible faults leading to this.

>>144560423
i think toby is fine as an allround/sniper character. he can technically be a frontliner if you can consistently land railgun shots at close range and use the 30% damage reduction helix along with the stun mines, it's just that the sniper playstyle is much safer to default to.

it'd be nice if his ult was something that opened up for aggressive play, like a temporary invincibility or something like that.

>>144561502
The won't close it. They'll make the game free to play if anything. And that better not happen until after this DLC season is done.

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>>144540557
Play a lot, wait for them to almost fap apart, use the 60% shield pierce and charged dash to finish minions. I'm at 230 now, still no Kleese showing up.

>>144560423

Yea nah keep Toby a sniper.

What he actually needs are:

Fix his shield. There's several ways of doing this, the most boring of which being stapling it to his face so he can stay mobile and snipe. Better instead to increase the size, fix the fuckups caused by hugging it too closely and firing PAST it even though your viewmodel shows you as being behind it, and either make it not so squishy or give it a shorter cooldown.

Let him lay 2 mines at base level, instead of needing a legendary gear for it.

Fix his ultimate. I don't have specifics, there's a ton of different ways to make it better, it's just so awful.

Does anyone remember Caldarius's 'handsome' line with Hylis? I can't find it in the quote video.

>>144563126
Yeah, making it thicker would help.

>>144563418
Yeah, Caldy agrees with Hylis that he's handsome at some point. I think when you're crossing the bridge.

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>>144563680
I was hoping for the exact quote.

>>144554116
and you have rotating wards that move with you as well as the over shield you mentioned and his innate shield regen!

Meanwhile Toby has one of the worst level 10 helix in the game which one 1 is worthy to pick and a lot of his helix picks are pretty ass compared to the alternative on the same level.

>>144564465
I think it's like...

"Oh, yeah. He's also incredibly handsome."

>>144554116
Also it has get this shit it has LIMITED RANGE!

I've got a question about Caldarius's lore, do kills with the flash bang count towards killing blinded enemies? I've got the infinite swarmed glitch going on but I don't know if I'm just wasting time

Come on,
I just want to win once, then I'll be done.
Instead, I only get paired up with level<15 players and only play against level>80 players.

>>144567195
just leave matchmaking if you get a shit team desu
you lose nothing from it

>>144567156
Short version, no.

They have to be blinded for it to count, and flashbang applies the damage first, then the blind. So if the damage kills it, it's not blinded.

Which is why the triple flash bang helix is the only reasonable way to do it

>>144567773
You mean the flashmirv or the flash barrage? Any recommended missions to grind out his lore?

>>144567947
Flash Barrage. The Renegade and Void's Edge, both give you large groups of low but not too low hp minions to blast away at. Renegade also let's you work on the Jennerit kills

GIMME THREE

>>144570301

1! 2! 6! SH*T

>>144570567
Don't do the whole thing.

The hell is up with Ambra?
She is involved with so many people's in BB. Is she the most hated/liked woman in the universe?

Galilea: Kill Ambra and be with Ambra
Deande:Be with Ambra
Alani:Kill Ambra
Caldarius:Appears in one of Ambra's lore.

It's basically a meme at this point. Just make every single lore for the DLC involve Ambra in some way or even Ambra is one of several people to help finish it like "get set on fire/poisoned for at least 2 seconds and survive 30 times" which the clones, Ambra, Mellika and Miko can do . Might as well make one of the DLC missions "Saving Sister Ambra" where there is special dialogue between the above women and Caldarius with Ambra. One half hating(half Galilea and Alani) on her and the other liking her (other half of Galilea and Deande) with sides flip flopping and Caldarius just trying to complete his mission and commenting not trying to start a problem and the othe unknownr DLC character with Ambra in their lore challenge requirement trying to egg them on to start a cat fight to death.

>>144576596
You drop one meteor on someone's face and suddenly all meteor's are your fault.

>>144576596

Is she some robot?

Guess it's time to finish up some lore challanges

>>144564465
What Caldy quote should I use?

Regardless, it'll be tomorrow when you get it.

>>144567326
This. I hate to play with Lvl2 versus Lvl100 premades.
>>144563126
This.

Also ISIC is a wonderful character. I get around 700 shield with my items, 2300 HP, and he does a lot of damage. Perfect to snipe fleeing enemies. Extreme DPS once you got the 25% recharge boost. And you still have your shield when you're in a tight situation. The dash is good to stun multiple enemies at once (One dash already turned whole games) or escape, especially when enemies try to block you. Another advantage of large characters, you can block by yourself, but avoid damage using the shield.

Maybe they are going to nerf him next. Galilea is still going strong. And Ghalt, but he is being played less since the new water healer released.

What kind of packs are you guys buying? I saved up for the legendary packs but they seem to give only shit.

I have a 30%+ shield piercing item for example, it is green (uncommon), the legendary packs only give me 10-20%. Same for shields and other stuff.

My shield has 138 capacity, I think i get a better one once I complete ISICs mastery.

>>144583058
I never buy anything but faction packs honestly.

>>144583646
Until you have all the faction skins/taunts the faction packs are better. I once got two epics and a taunt from one pack.

Anybody stumble upon a build and then just stop losing? Ever since I found max speed OM, everything has been going my way.

>>144562169
Like it matters at this point? The price is getting so low you can almost see randy pitchfords next press panel about "toxic elements in the gaming community" winding up about how he thinks they sabotaged his shitfest.

>>144585646
Been using a CDR + Skill damage/Attackspeed + AD Foxtrot build for a long time. Still haven't lost a match with it.

>>144586078
Lol gamers didn't sabotage it. /v/ can shit on it all they want but they aren't significant enough to be at fault for its current condition. Gearbox could've easily not been jews on advertising while at the same time avoided trying to butt heads with Blizzard.

There's plenty of players who would've bouth and played this game if Gearbox actually made an effort to not get fucked even without Blizzard's release.

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>>144472095
I taunt after every kill I can. Even if it kills me.

Thug life bitch.

>>144588749
I only do that if I'm playing Marquis. Pisses people off so good.

>>144586543
>not been jews on advertising
I'm sure we can blame 2K for that.

>>144583058
I'm not buying anything, because I gotta save up 237,500 credits. Thanks Gearbox!

>>144584003
I get only gear.

>>144591806
They aren't the worst place to work at for nothing.
Listen to all the stories of their employees and QA testers.

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So I'm legit curious, what are the major issues surrounding battleborn right now? Anything from game balance, or ladder issues, or whatever. Please let me know.

>>144592484
Here're a few that are a constant noticeable annoyance.

>Performance
The framerate fluctuates significantly up to 50% of the mean. This happens for everyone, but some people don't notice because the game doesn't have an in-built FPS display. It results in input lag, judder, and general unpleasantness all around.

>UI
Designed for consoles and somewhat clunky on PC. Also takes up a lot of screen space.

>Matchmaking
There aren't enough players to ensure a well balanced game any more, so it feels like the mm stops trying and just tries to put games together. Which is fine, since it can't be helped, but this leads to one-sided matches.

>Tutorial
Sorely lacking and does not teach new players how to play any mode, resulting in steamrolls if you have one on your team.

>Getting stuck on geometry while walking around
For no reason whatsoever. Gearbox really need to fix all the spots where players can get caught on. This will interrupt charges and abilities too.

The game feels unfinished and could really use a lot more work.

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>>144556889
Well, since you posted your shitty OC, I guess I can do the same...

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>>144594075
Honestly there's no point in liking anyone who isn't on fire
>unless you're toby

Ambra with and without her Legendary is night and day.

>>144593264
I'm going to copy this down for future use. A well-put description of what's bad about the game without shitposting. Should come in handy.

Wont' stop me from playing it though. I like what's here and even if its unlikely they'll fix it I'll stick around and hold on to hope.

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More like Stillborn

>>144594931
I've been soloing advanced hardcore. Sometimes it's cheap and I die for reasons I can't help but so was Dark Souls. It's challenging and lets me avoid the worst parts of this game right now, except for the bad performance.

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sup

someone said they wanted this ?

>>144595758
Fuck off furfag, we want drawfags for other characters and waifus

>>144596581
kk bro i'll be off to /trash/

have fun with having no oc

>>144596581
might as well make robot sniper a black widow and toby a d.va

>>144595462
I get there's a sort of format to follow for updates depending on how you want to update your game (I.E. I've heard they're trying to keep all platforms at the same patch instead of putting out patches as needed, which would help PC a lot faster), but hot damn The Sabotage needs to be fixed. Like of all the places in the game that have performance issues, The Sabotage mission is easy to reproduce garbage and there's really no excuse for why they haven't bare minimum apologized profusely for that shithole until they fix it.

Also I actually have fun in multiplayer. Stomps aren't nice but I'm still having a good time.

>>144595758
I never knew I wanted this

>2 day old thread
>200 replies
I'd say Gearbox really dropped the ball, but they never had possession.

>>144595758
>>144596659

Don't leave ;_;7, you're doing God's work for somebody. Not me but I've seen plenty of posters who would love more art of their husbirdo. Disregard the haters.

>>144597347
>>144595308
>>144595132

What's the name of the hat you ask?

Hat trick, hat which

Spat trick, dark witch.

Arm, arm ,arm arm,

Harm arm, warm arm

Shadow flinger, Chaos Bringer

Pillar, Piler, Plier, Flyer

That's the name of my hat. You asked.

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I wonder if OC of Aurox and Rendain having a sword fight with their chins would look any good.

>>144597684
Rendain's jaw looks like it used to be a lot longer and then it got chopped off.

That's what the damage Rath did really was

>>144597684
What about Attikus?

>>144595758
That's some well done fanart. Are you taking requests? Because I'd like to see something with Shayne or Orendi or both if that's possible.

>>144598124
Have you seen how thick his chin is? He could 1v2 Rendain and Aurox in a chin swordfight.

But would make more sense since Aurox is tied to shayne and would be awkward on his own.

>>144598364
Aurox hates Shayne though, he can't wait till she's gone or he's free

>>144598364
Attikus' chin is more like a battleaxe than a sword.

>>144598526
Yeah but within the context of picking two battleborn to fight, Aurox and Shayne are a single "unit" so to speak, even if Aurox hates Shayne and Shayne is too happy go lucky to give two shits.

>>144598610
He could probably win most fights withh his chin if it weren't for the fact that he'd look stupid using his chin when he's got a mechanical arm the size of a mid-sized car for beating the shit out of people with.

>>144598684
>>144598526

Actually having unlocked all of Shayne's lore recently, maybe it would be the right matchup for Aurox and Shayne and Rendain. Knowing her she'd probably enslave Rendain after the destruction of the Heliophage and then make Aurox and him have their chin swordfight because its fun, and they're both just immensely irritated with her bullshit but can't do anything about it.

>>144598970
That's why Shayne is the best waifu

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>>144599186
This guy gets it.

>>144595462
Hey if you're still here or see this at some point, any tips for getting at least Silver when doing Advanced difficulty solo? I feel doing pubs would just be a shitfest that we always lose and at the moment I don't have a lot of buds to play with yet so doing some solo unlocks and practice at harder difficulties sounds pretty nice.

>>144594075
It's good OC anon. More effort than my shitty cropping.
>>144556889

>>144599898
I can quite consistently get silver.
1. Open every single box and break every breakable. The large boxes that contain a piece of gear and 5-10 yellow bonus score are important.

2. Pick up all yellow bonus score orbs from bosses. A character that moves fast, a sprint speed item, or getting lucky with the boss drops (sprint orb) helps. Some bosses will drop bonus score if you interrupt their moves with a stun.

>>144600203
Is hard cc a must? I kinda wanted to do it with Whiskey Foxtrot to git gud at aiming and his Regen on kill Helix upgrade is fantastic sustain.

Also
>I'm the guy who loves the rogue faction, so I'm basically picking from them

I love toby but his shield just disintegrates in advanced difficulty. Orendi could work too but lacks some range and can't get lifesteal if needed until much later in helix. Shayne and Aurox same issue as orendi. Solid skillset but short on range.

>>144601140
If you're going to use Rogue I think WF is the best for solo, at least based on the style I play. Orendi is good too but she's very fragile and much riskier compared to WF. S&A is melee and that sucks on enemies like Guardians, but otherwise she's good solo. Toby is great if you want to cheese the missions from range, but it takes about twice as long doing that.

Interrupting bosses usually result in about 5-10 orbs. It doesn't always need hard CC, some bosses can be interrupted by shooting their legs, breaking their shields, etc. Keep soloing and you'll find out quite quickly what works, and the cheap tricks that you can die to. For some missions solo is the only way I know to easily beat them, since going in a group causes far too many enemies to spawn.

>>144601524
Yeah I noticed there's a base set of enemies you fight every time, and then a group tends to add some elits if not a whole set of near-minibosses to a wave.

>>144595758
have a thanks in appreciation:
https://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/5/en-us/pdf/comic-overwatch-pharah.pdf

>>144601793
Yup. The objective health doesn't seem to increase with group size so it's autofail if you get unlucky with the spawns. A good item build specific to the enemy types can help though.

>Life regen
+7 really helps on characters with shields. You can back off and heal up instead of staying at 10% and dying to the next cheap shot by an elite bot. I like to bring extra pieces that give you +4.2 regen when below 50% HP, and try to stack HP on Eldrid, but I think only Thorn is any good solo pve.

>Shield penetration
On characters with built-in shield pen stacking this lets you cut through bots, which lets you deal with ronin and strikers easily. OM and WF especially.

>Cooldown reduction
For characters with stealth or "regen shield on skill activation" this has saved my bacon many times. There's a legendary that gives you a % chance to get -2s cdr on skill activation, which is great on characters that have low skill cd, which I use.

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>>144472095
>taunting with kleese nowhere near fight

Just got him today, das it mane.

>>144542680
Considering he's the best sniper by far since his competition is Thorn who isn't bad but the lack of shield unless getting gear for it hurts her ability to take harass while Toby is Toby.

>>144542680
I think he's fine, people for some reason can't comprehend how to counter-snipe him. I usually play WF and if I see theres a Marquis going uncontested in a sniping position I go zoom scope and spend as much time as possible harassing him out of his perches. He's only dangerous if you let him sit back and shoot at your head- if you can get the jump on him or in close they usually panic and you have a free kill.

And its always satisfying punting him off a cliff into a pile of melee characters.

>>144603362
>Punting squishies off of cliffs as WF

Now I want his melee to be him using bladed boots to sparta-style kick people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battleborn/comments/4mrcht/hire_toby_fox_creator_of_undertale_as_a_writer/

this game is dead to me

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>>144606232
>one shitty reddit post with 3 replies and no real visbility or backing
>means its going to happen 100% and everything is terrible

Nice logic fuckface.

>>144593264

>Getting stuck on geometry while walking around

How can you forget characters with massive hit boxes and collisions?
Some characters are so massive they are bitch to move around because they are so wide, wear a massive fat suit and try navigating swiftly around corners and you'll see what I mean. Also they body block shots so much so it's a bitch to have a melee ally accidentally body block your vital shots accidentally.

Also they are so fucking easy to hit and are shat on by anythign that really works off good aim like pulls, crit shots etc.

>>144610075
Well yes, but I've always thought of that as part of the way BB works. Body blocking is a big part of an assfaggots in the other games. It is annoying as hell in pve, though.

>>144469329
Yes anon, the average Battleborn player uses console. Probably because that's where a lot of the Gearbox base really is.

>>144606232
That would actually be kinda interesting, but hasn't Toby said he's fucking off after undertale? This post doesn't even mean anything other than someone thought it up once

>>144610382
IT JUST KEEPS TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN

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>>144611131
Do not fucking remind me of that horrible series

How the hell do you solo silver Heliophage ?

>>144610817
what can we say. Splitscreen borderlands with a bro was bliss.

Similar situation with Battleborn.

>>144610382

Hey Hey There are only 710 people playing Killing Floor 2. You would not call that game dead now would you? There are literally dozens more people playing Battleborn instead of KF2. Dozens

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>I'll check this out
>all cool looking heroes behind a grind wall

That sure wasn't going to backfire in light of other recently released games. Thank you steam refunds.

>>144614346
>5 matches
>grind wall

Chances are if you're only interested in playing a specific char in this game you'll just quit when you someone else picks them or just feed once you're in game "because my hero's cool

Why not just play the game?

>>144614429

no thanks, got my refund already.

I'll pick this game up when it's 95% off in a few months.

maybe.

>>144614346
Ok. Lets have this conversation.

You start with 5 characters and unlock the rest. Why is this so unpaletable?
No game can succeed really at this kind of budget and scale without a progression system to keep players invested game to game.

If all characters were instantly available, would it really have made the game all that richer for you?

Of course I think you are a shitter who never bought it in the first place, refund or otherwise. I think you shitpost. And it disappoints me.

>>144614529
Alani is basically P2W at this point, so it isn't exactly encouraging.

>>144615174
>Alani is basically pay to win

How have I been winning matches with teams who have her when ours doesn't then?

>>144614529

Unlocks are pure cancer. Locking anything to begin with is a shit progression that is completely lazy and poor game development. Unlocks that effect actually gameplay are not fun when you are on the other side of the wall looking in and getting your face wrecked by someone that is able to spend many more hours in the game then you are not to mention the fucking power creep it creates. Want to keep players invested in a game, then make it fun and make them what to be there, not because they have to grind out out shit to get a helix skill that suddenly stops making them complete shit and only then half ass useful.

>If all characters were instantly available, would it really have made the game all that richer for you?

Yes, yes it would if the game play was actually centered around the characters and not fucking helix unlocks or certain gear drops that randomly drop.

Now try to balance characters, players, gear, and abilities across a story mode AND a pvp mode? The game directors that planned this out are insane. Everything stinks of cut corners, not been properly tested, or quick fix till we think of something better. Where there should be polish there is only spit.

>>144616069
>that entire post

Christ is this what people like nowadays? Good thing that the game unlocks all heroes by rank 32 out of 100 even if you don't complete their challenges

CLEARLY THEY NEEDED MORE IMAGINATIVE ALTERNATIVE SKINS THAT AREN'T RECOLOURS.

yeah
that'll do it.

>>144616418

Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that Ghalt didnt unlock till Rank 40 because we all know grinding is so FUN and makes everyone have a GOOD fucking time doing it too. Oh Boy, I love have to pay money and then my time to grind out something and then have to spend more time unlocking shit for it that is 90% unless so I can get to the bottom of shit mountain for that single nugget I need.

>>144616789
Ghalt unlocks at 40, so you're right m8. It took me about 30 hours to unlock all the original cast, and Alani alone will take another 30 hours. It's pretty bullshit, but it doesn't bother me at this point. They need to fix much more than just that.

>>144616789
But it's not a grind. You're perfectly entitled to your money if it's something you don't like but it's a stupid complaint you big baby. You didn't like the game, that's fine, fuck off.

>>144616418
he's right though

most of the helixes are either obvious picks that are simply more powerful than the alternative, or those that are either good in pve, or in pvp. it's lazy design.

reaching level 32 takes upwards of 50 hours played if you know what you're doing, which, judging by the average player, isn't a very large percentage of the playerbase. reaching 32 doesn't even unlock every hero. this is a SIXTY DOLLAR PAID GAME, not to mention alani never unlocks until you buy her with ingame currency. it's lazy design to keep you playing for longer.

the gear grinding is what keeps most people playing even though you can get away with 3 white items and unaffecting drawbacks (recoil on melee, shield stats on eldrids, heal power on damage dealers) for cheaper and faster buys, which will often net you more benefit than waiting for big epics and legendaries while your team struggles to keep buildables up. it's, again, lazy design to keep you playing for longer

>>144616989
wow that's exactly the sort of mentality that earns you bonus points. upvoted, my friend! keep those harmful bullies away from our game! they're toxic and don't want anything to improve! you sure told them!

>it's not a grind
you win the dumbest poster award

>>144617221
I feel like the unlocks would be fine if Battleborn weren't so focused on its competitive side, but Gearbox clearly want it to be some kind of assfaggots, which makes Alani pretty much p2w. It's indefensible.

Don't get me started on having to grind pve to get items for pvp, like how Alamo on Thorn was fucking winning games for the entire team.

>>144617221
It's not a grind though. Why do you need instant gratification baby? Can't work towards something? Need it handed to you on a plate?

>>144617518
okay, here's what we'll do. we'll take turns defining what a grind is, and give eachother an opportunity to rethink what we know, all right?

a grind, to me, is when game content is locked behind a barrier of objectives, whether it be X time spent, X experience collected, X objective completed, etc. the content remains locked until you complete the corresponding objective or some combination of those objectives.

battleborn, through having unlockable gear, helixes, heroes, titles and cosmetics, is what i would describe as a game with a grind.

what is your definition of a grind?

>>144616491
This, I don't even really like most of the skins, I think it makes a lot of characters look monotonous.
>lets just make shit purple and black

>>144616491

What the fuck is taking so long for Tier 2 skins? This shit isn't hard to do.

>>144617947
They said there actually would be cosmetic skins on release instead of recolours, but they never showed up. Just like how supposedly there would be an optimization pass that never happened.

>>144617793
A grind to me is playing an MMO for 100 days play time and still not having character stats maxed out.

Coming home from work, doing more work and then play a few rounds with a new champ i unlocked that evening and grabbing some of their unlocks is not a grind.

If you think other people are better than you because of gear and/or helix upgrades, that's not the case buddy

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Too lazy to quote any posts, but I don't find the game that grind intensive. Sure, you might be assmad you can't play as Ghalt or something right off the bat, but so what? It doesn't take that long to get characters, and I was fine with the starting characters. Having to play a character to get helix options or gear isn't that intensive or difficult imo. I'm mostly playing now to get character lore and that can be called a grind also, but I've been having fun and it's been bringing me back

>>144618008
so basically because you've been conditioned like a dog to enjoy grinding, you don't see the issue? do you realize how manipulated you are? look up skinners box in the dictionary

>If you think other people are better than you because of gear and/or helix upgrades
precisely what i didn't say, see>>144617221
>you can get away with 3 white items and unaffecting drawbacks (recoil on melee, shield stats on eldrids, heal power on damage dealers) for cheaper and faster buys, which will often net you more benefit than waiting for big epics and legendaries while your team struggles to keep buildables up

>Farming Simulator 2015 has twice as many players as Battleborn does right now

Man, this is disheartening. I might just shelf BB until the next character drop/new maps come in. Hopefully the player count will grow then.

>>144618282
But that's the thing, it's not a grind anon because instead of thinking about all the shit I want but don't/can't have, I just enjoy what's there and then suddenly I'm unlocking all these extras!

You don't like/want to play the game because you have no patience - you've probably spent more time dicking around here with me than you have playing. :)

>>144618008
I had to grind for those perfect roll free white items too, dude. They make a massive difference, especially the -%build cost one.

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>>144618509
fucking misleading shitposter 0/10

look at how you post like you're a grinding junkie
>why do you need instant gratification? need everything on a silver platter?
and then you switch to "hey, it's not me who's a junkie, it's you! i'm just enjoying the game!"

you earned this picture

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>>144564465
yesss perfect, ty anon

>>144563418
The quote is something along the lines of
>Hylis might be dumb, but he's persistent
>hylis says something about also being incredibly handsome
>"oh yeah, he's also pretty handsome"
I've only heard it once, so this is probably far from accurate

>>144619321
But that's the thing. I play the game because I like the game, not that I need to unlock things.

I've played pretty much all my games as Thorn and only just got her lore challenges yesterday because I never did PvE for Jennerit kills.

What's the picture? Your dildo machine? A massive faggot like you would drink wine too.

>>144583646
I currently do the same, but it seems they only give skins and random items in a faction design.
>>144591918
Why so much? I'll somewhen save up 47500 for Alani but don't need it at the moment. You get more for a match when you are more useful for the team, means more kills/assists/minions/shards/builds.
>>144593264
>Performance issues
This. I have a Kepler card and I sometimes drop to 10 on the ice map. I usually get 30-60 FPS. I'm pretty sure that certain effects trigger these drops. Gsync helps a bit, but the ice map is still unplayable for me.
>>144594786
I love Orendi, the 2nd character I maxed, and soo much damage.

I don't understand how you people can defend grinding in a $60 AAA game, especially when the game is as dead as it is. What part of you has to be defective to defend the modern g̶a̶m̶b̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ gaming industry?

>>144595758
oh shit you actually did it, i was the one who wanted that, you're so based you furfag <3

>>144621107
Defending it or not it probably won't continue to be this way for very long anyway. If it's doing as bad as it appears to be then Gearbox is either going to do some hardcore overhauls of how it functions to attract more players or they'll abandon it entirely.

But considering they're in it for a significant amount of dlc that people have already payed for and its the only thing keeping them afloat until BL3 I'd like to believe they'll put forth some effort to fix the game and change things to appeal to a wider audience rather than the existing playerbase.

>>144621107
>>144619819
>>144619321
>>144618509
>>144618282
>>144618008
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>>144617518
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>>144614429
>>144614346


Sorry for the reply wall, but holy shit couldn't you two have agreed to disagree? Personally I don't mind the grind, I like unlocking things and in this game certain lore unlocks actually encourage you to try using a unique playstyle (often in the form of a helix upgrade that affects how use an ability) in PvE or PvP to get the unlock faster. However I'm well aware that objectively many of the unlocks are bullshit, especially helix upgrades when so many of the mutations are outright superior to the existing upgrades rather than a tradeoff.

The only thing gearbox got objectively right was gear, because even if you don't have super nice gear yet you can always build cheap or around shard generation and invest heavily in base objectives for your allies, which will allow you to level up faster and gain your own advantage.

>>144626628
The only thing I'm in agreement with are the helixes - which didn't bother me because I don't watch/read about games, I play them, so I didn't know what I was missing until I got it.

Saying the game is a grind is wrong though.

>>144626928
I suppose when I said I don't mind the grind I meant mostly the part afterward about how it doesn't feel grindy. At that point I don't even call it a grind anymore, I feel like I'm simply progressing in the game as you would in a more linear game.

>Going up against a lvl 100 pre-made group, but we're mostly 80+ rank so it shouldn't be too much of a problem
>Doing okay in the beginning, get an early push getting us ahead, then stalemate a bit.
>They start unlocking their gear
>Each of them has Vigilance Link, making them abnormally tough
>Each of them has Chrono Key, letting them just whip out their skills
>Hold out for a bit longer, but in the end get hosed

At times I question the inclusion of legendaries in pvp

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>>144632680
Damn that sounds so bullshit, but that's also 3600 shards each member had to get. That adds up real fuckin fast to 18,000 shards, did they have low-cost shard generators or something to open with? I would assume your stalemate period was probably the best time to try to break them but if they were pre-made there's not a lot you can do.

And for everyone else image is the two gear he was talking about.

>>144633706
It's not hard to earn shards. The small ones respawn almost instantly (Giving 155 and 65), the large ones after 30 secs-1minute. Plus you get shards for minion kills.

>>144621107

If you're looking for a game that includes skinnerbox unlocks inspired by gambling, it's not Battleborn.

It's that OTHER game.

>>144634461
At least the skins are purely cosmetic.

>>144634461
That other game is cosmetics only. This one, however, has items that give RNG power in RNG boxes, as well as having a roster that needs to be unlocked, even though it costs $60+$20.

>>144636406
>>144636531

Sorry, "purely cosmetic" doesn't take away from the fact that the only reward for playing the game more can maybe, buy more crates and we'll see :^) be earned with hard money instead of actually playing the game more.

THAT is what gambling is.

fuck overgrowth,i just want to play echelon again

>>144633706
holy shit

what missions drop those legendaries

>>144626242
Defending it or not it probably won't continue to be this way for very long anyway. If it's doing as bad as it appears to be then Gearbox is either going to do some hardcore overhauls of how it functions to attract more players or they'll abandon it entirely

lol they said the same thing about evolve and that was a way more polished game than this one and look how it ended up

>>144637175
>playing games for a "reward"
playing games is its own reward, summerfriend
i don't expect you to understand since you're the defender of skinner boxes and the grind to unlock characters

>>144639043

>defender of skinner boxes

I'm attacking the most blatant skinner box here, which is the one that conditions you to continually put in money to MAYBE get something. The one that is actual gambling.

>>144638559
the sentinel drops vigilance link
no clue about the other

>>144448830
>It's Borderlands without the memes
L O L

>>144641159
it's better than tf2 without the hats

>>144641159
fine and well-constructed argument bruv

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What are the best color schemes for each character?

>>144645826
I like the white skins, but I usually stick with the original since its not so monotonous

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>>144645826
I think you know

>>144645826
looks like theyre basketball fanatics

>>144638692

It might've been way more polished but it had a laughable amount of content, even less than Overwatch. It would've been scrapped if it looked like shit too given how little there was in it.

Battleborn on the other hand has more content than Evolve and Overwatch Combined, with at least 5 DLC expansions on the way not including new characters. I only lightly followed Evolve but despite how popular it was initially I think Battleborn has a hell of a lot better foundation to work from than Evolve did. I'm not discounting the idea that Gearbox and 2K would just abandon it, but I think its unlikely.

>>144615174
>Alani
>P2W

Man. The shitters are just getting lazier and lazier.

>>144610353
When it's as intrusive BB and hurts your allies it's kind of a problem. The choke points are too small for these guys so it's more of an incursion map issue

>>144621107
>Defend grinding
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T

>>144650176
In meltdown and capture it's actually not at big of an issue desu

>>144632680
Vigilance link really isn't that g8 m8. But it might be if the entire team has an extra 1000 health on each character. If anything it's a pretty gud team move.

>>144650176
>>144610353

I'm split on this issue myself. I can definitely see how its a usable mechanic where you position yourself such that although a meat-wall is still in front of you the backline can't shoot you. But when conversely when you're the meatwall flopping around and trying to get the best angle you can easily cockblock your backline. These issues can probably be avoided in an organized group but with randoms whether its PvP or PvE its irritating, especially considering how many ults travel in a straight line a great distance and are fucked if someone accidentally body blocks them.

>>144647789
paid dlc isn't going to help this game, people are already hesitant about paying 60$ for a multiplayer game that has a rapidly declining playerbase and on top of that buyers have consider paying another $25 to get the full content which 50% is skins and taunts no one is gonna give a shit about skins or taunts if no one plays the damn game. i'm also not saying that paid dlc is a bad thing but it's certainly not going to help the game at this state

>>144651089
As long as its still paid DLC, no. I was simply pointing out that there's planned content on the way, but I'm well aware if nothing else changes that it won't be worth shit and we might as well jump ship now. The only real hope is that Gearbox lowers the price and/or makes it worth the price by the time most of their DLC is out.

bamp

>>144654647
The dying throws of a game's interest levels. So far gone that bumping exists.

>>144656047
Obviously we need to do what /owg/ is doing then.

Everyone stop talking about the game and shitpost about eachother's waifus.

>>144656171
MELLKA

Do you guys think gearbox will combine the modes into a single queue? I'd like to play capture every now and then.

Maybe if there's enough players. Adding another queue would just split the base even more and make games even harder to find.

I think he means individual queues are removed and players vote for the game mode and the map when the queue pops. More frequent queues but you may not get the mode you want.

>>144659998
You wouldn't have to split the queues. Someone queueing for every mode would be grouped with people specific queueing for meltdown for instance. This would require competent programming but I don't think it would be that difficult. Basically make the multi-queue act as "filler" players that would fill games for any mode. Over time you'd get into more games for the most popular game mode of course.

>>144660386
I'd be down with this as well.

>>144657630
Wow anon, that sure is a weird way to spell "annoyingly extrenuous obnoxious unliked cunt"

>>144661696
You're probably underage and like Shayne

Does anyone use Whiskey's four-burst mutation? I feel like four-burst is just bad.

In fact, I might use it if it was a two round burst instead. I feel like the third hit gets kicked too far off what I'm aiming at.

>>144662167
>using whiskey
but mike exists

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>>144660985
>deleting your wrongness to try and hide your shame

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>>144662063
Shayne a best
Phoebe is a tied second
Reyna has that Latina ass

>>144664541
cracked out
thin as a board
red flag hair dye
hangs out with a giant black dude 24/7
Shayne a shit

>>144664842
>hangs out with a giant black dude all day (aurox?)
Enslaved a giant black dude*

>>144665049
>enslaved
coalburner
add that one to the list

>>144663240
>using mike
But Whiskey exists.

>>144662063
Shayne is easily top three in terms of waifuability, if not top two

>>144666169
>using whiskey
but caldarius exists

>>144669073
VA sounds cute but looks horrible

>>144669481
>using Caldarius
But Mellka exists

>>144670039
>using Mellka
good taste

>>144670039
>using mellka
but deande exists

>>144670365
>using Deande
But Thorn exists

>>144670365
>using deande
but literally any other character exists

>>144651340
His point all the same is fairly valid: DLC alone can't save a game if the core content isn't satisfying players or, worse, not attracting them.

Personally, I haven't played it yet and I'm kind of hesitant to pay for it.

>>144670540
>using thorn
but toby exists