/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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First for disintegration.

my android mauler's strength is actually so shit that I can outdamage my melee with the beam cannon power

Man do I want to kill Granade

>>144362007

Why is that my man?

>>144362007
what did he do this time

>>144362007
who

>>144362101
Cata sucks

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Alright m80s, i got two aquirements to burn
I got all the good wands so i'm not gambling that, already set with an exec axe once i deem the not!Arga not powerful enough so weapons is off too
I wish i could wish for SOME FUCKING CURE MUT THOUGH

>>144362281

Was it ever not bad?

>>144362397
It was better when it was whales' baby

>>144362396
jewelry maybe

>>144362489

How? I agree it feels like a good game that was ruined but I never played whales' version. So much pointless fluff and the mechanics suck. Cars are kind of cool though, but also pretty shit.

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Well would you look at that.

>>144362730
>Ring of sInv
What next

>>144362832
Do you have the necronomicon? Lich forming through endgame is good times

>>144362396
how are your spell skills?

if they're low acq staves will probably give a rod and acq books will probably give a manual

if you have good evo just acq misc tho

>>144362757
>dungeon level 46
>not spamming rods of detection yet

Wow Incursion is fucking autistic

>>144362954
Already have statue form and lich form memorized, i just need to get them online instead from 100% failrate
>>144362960
Already have a rods of inacc/shotgun/lightning, plus i have four BOBs stashed away for extended, but since i have some shitty spell skills i'm bound to get a regular book

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Good ring to get on a character dual-wielding shields.

>>144363295
you sure it doesn't work?

Check the ~W screen

I don't remember whether shield damage is 3d(AC) or (AC)d3, but if it's the first one then that ring's a pretty big boost

>>144363187
Welcome to roguelikes.

Can Human actually be good at anything in DCSS?

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>>144363471
Yep. "You have no melee attacks" is the message I get.

>>144363864
They're good at removing features.

>>144363907
oh wait you're not actually a shieldmaster bashing things with the shields, you're just an archer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix7srBKuXd0

Which one of you is this?

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I was analyzing the posibilities to one-stab Anyaeus, and I digged an interesting screenshot from some time ago.

Looks like not even with a +6 Holy branded sabre with 27 Stealth/Short Blades and Might and Agi added I could bring it down in one attack.
Maybe it was the low Strenght, so I'm gonna try with a Human this time. And to add more damage to the formula, I might add a Harm amulet.

Sounds pretty suicidal if I fail, but it is the whole purpose of the run, so I might as well die in there if I fail.

>>144364186
I never understood how pure stealth is a viable way to play the game

>>144364186
you still need at least 25 dex to get the max damage bonus for stabbing

make sure to have 27 fighting as well, and remember that even with all this shit you might roll low damage randomly

>>144364501
pure stealth isn't viable

spen is viable

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Oh my, if I'm reading this right you can crit on thrown monsters.

>>144364634
>when you have a 98% chance to fail at removing a faulty bionic and you tear it out without fail

>>144364501
"Pure stealth" isn't a thing in crawl, since you only gain exp on kills. But an enchanter that stabs shit is viable as fuck

>>144364520
I had 27 Fighting at that moment, and 30 DEX, as the image indicates. I believe I rolled a high number, but I might be wrong; never did the calculations.

In any case, I can only hope I reach 2 breaks for STR this time. I could probably get up to 30 with Might. I hope that gives me the impulse needed to kill him in one hit.

Arena has proven to be a cakewalk. Is there anything I need to know about the metal babble?

>>144364802
i'm saying on your next character maxing strength is ok but make sure to have at least 25 dex first, since it's more important for stabbing

Your stab was at least 288 damage but the holy wrath proc was shitty at less than half of that (it can be up to +150% damage)

also Antaeus's hp is randomized so it might be as low as 400 or as high as 900ish

>>144364956
yeah: don't fight it, don't let your recall point save to its floor, and don't fight it

>>144364956
it's immune to magic, has 2000 AC, speed 80, and casts psycho spear

don't fight the babble

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>>144365034
Isn't the metal babble just that lame thing from dragon quest that is worth a ton of exp if you manage to kill it? What makes it so strong in this game?

>>144365192
it also has no movement ability, so every turn it either casts something awful or blinks

>>144365026
>also Antaeus's hp is randomized so it might be as low as 400 or as high as 900ish

I didn't knew that. Might be more complicated than I thought.

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>>144365192
>>144365324
Holy shit why.

Crawlbabby here.

Do I still pump dex as MiFi on every levelup?

>>144364734
>tfw you take multiple hits of Addy, meth, coke, and caffeine pills chased with Red Bull to get your INT into the low 40s

>>144365454
the hivemind consensus seems to agree on getting dex to around 20

>>144365454
dex maxes you live more by giving dodging

mi already has enough str to use pretty much any armor

>>144365245
It has capped speed. Takes no damage from any source except source of the poison needle effect, has a 100% cast rate and has an irresistible, invulnerability-piercing attack.

Is the current trunk of DCSS fun or is it just broken?

>>144365709
So what's the problem with using the poison needle?

>>144365894
it's hard to find enough to do throwing, it's hard to stay in melee range to do hitting, and it still casts blink or an awful spell on every turn at +80 speed with absurd AC

>>144365406
that is precisely why

>>144365459
what the fuck
is that even possible? won't you overdose on something?

>>144365406
They should add it to D:1 to replace adders

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You climb downwards.
5 death yaks come into view.
_The death yak bellows! x5
Found a spear.
_There is a stone staircase leading up here.
_You climb upwards.

>>144366506
Some guy did it a year ago, and his character kept dying of a heart attack a few days later.

It was pretty funny.

So what when the store runs out of clarity as a meme knight? Diving for a caster to leech SP off?

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>>144366581
>they're all next to the staircase

>>144366768
also open the other towns if you haven't yet

>>144366768
android RK? you just teleport between to check all the towns

eventually you can get a rod of clarity

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>shops barely stock pots of restore life levels
This sucks.

>>144366903
>level 42
>hasn't saved *any* !restorelife in the house
anon this is like the thing with preemptively saving a small stack of Remove Curse (and *Remove Curse*) once you can reasonably afford it, so that you're not fucked when it's unstocked.

same also for !CCW (you can easily go through 40 in a long late fight with phasedoors when trying to save your big healing potions), !Resistance (enables some otherwise risky equipment setups), Phase Door, etc

>>144366768
I used to top off on hounds, but they removed that. Make a macro that'll strip you naked so you can quaff your clarity at level 1. It'll stretch much farther that way.

>>144366768
rest for a day to reset the inventory

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>>144367187
Yeah I'm just now realizing my mistake.

>>144366903
Restore life drops relatively frequently once around dlevel 40 or so.

>watching someone play as MiFi using only a bow
Makes me want to play a ranged character for the first time, but then I remember how tedious ranged combat is in crawl.

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Cyber-wyrm-demon-lich-tier

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Get fucking DUNKED you fucking lich piece of shit

>look at my resistance list to see what gear I can swap
>realize I've been running around without free action for the past couple levels
I'm guessing the antimagic amulet has been saving my life.

High Elf or Human for bows only?

>>144368954
Human for the 30 ability.

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I'm not sure if this is shitty or not because I have a rings of speed on.

>>144369050
Is this a meme?

>Abyss 5 for two hours
>Malmutated to hell and still no rune
WAKE ME UP

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EVERYTHING DRAINS

>>144368954
>human
WHY NOT PLAY AS A MIGHTY MAN-O-TAUR?

>>144369495
this keeps happening to me. Fuck their removal of rMut.

>>144369615
is the rand rMut removed or just the amulet?

>>144369732
Both, I think. Zin's lajatang is one of the only items that has it now.

>>144369495
>>144369615
>abyss 5
Well there is your first problem. Why the hell did you go to abyss 5?

>>144369845
I thought this was just a meme

>>144369889
Because i was hoping it would take less after spending 5k turns on A3

>>144369732
It's still on the hat of the alchemist and the staff of order. Nowadays I just rush lich form or go Zin until they remove both of those as sources of rMut

>>144369889
Sometimes it's not a choice

Hey uh, if I'm playing a vine stalker, and I go with Pakellas, do I lose my magic draining bite? I understand that Pak gets rid of your innate mp regen, and doesn't want you using channeling, but what about the mp restore vine stalkers get?

>>144370003
What kind of character are you playing? Did you enter voluntarily? Do you have stealth and a source of regen?

>>144370129
He supresses bite MP.

>>144370191
The Ds from a bit earlier, i got so much defense i'm just tabbing all of it but holy fuck it's boring

>>144370102
I heard from ##crawldev that rmut from those items and abilities was an oversight and will be fixed in the next trunk update.

>>144370407
Yeah, tabbing with 0 stealth doesn't do so hot in abyss. You should have stayed in 3 and taken your lumps, as awful as it is.

>>144370438
My dad works at nintendo too.

>>144370580
what's a good stealth skill for the abyss, for a character who would never normally train stealth, senpai?

>>144370696
You don't really want it because you're wearing the heaviest armour you can. In medium armor, you can afford to invest to like 5 pips and do marginally better, but you really want near max. You can probably get some amount if you really want, but I don't know that it'd be worth it over other skills.

>>144368637
wow
good thing you freaking caught that one!

>>144369450
if it's a meme, it's the "anon1 didn't say which game he was playing so anon2 gave advice for a different game"
Humans in poscheng get a special mutation of their choice at level 30 and it's pretty good.

>>144369327
it's the clear weakest of the standart rings, often shows up too late to be useful, but hey maybe, depending on what you've got on now.

>>144369327
Frakir is more flavor than power.

>>144369327
It's mostly helpful for the ring monster race, as it gives them the very useful drain life spell.

Or if you're desperate for poison resistance, I guess.

>>144370438
what a bunch of fags

Blog update, found the fucking rune
Now let's see if i can get outta here

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OH SHIT I DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS AN AMBERITE

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>>144371594
Nothing to worry about though.

>>144371467
And done, thank fuck
If pan is even a fraction of this shitshow i dread my extended experience

>>144371594
should read the original Chronicles of Amber books, they're pretty solid.
Nine Princes in Amber, The Guns of Avalon, Sign of the Unicorn, The Hand of Oberon, The Courts of Chaos, by Roger Zelazny. Pirate versions definitely exist.

The Merlin Cycle sequels IMO aren't as good but reasonable paperback chaff if you're bored.

Who put all the Zelazny shit in Zangband in the first place

>>144371798
enjoy the lair of mnoleg

>>144371798
Hope you like clowns.

>lost my custom config files for crawl
what was that huge config called that everyone uses?

>>144372260
killer klowns? the ones in zot?

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>>144372652
No.

>>144371889
Probably the person who made Zelazny Angband.

>>144371889
Where do you think the Z came from?

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Oh wow.

>>144371889
I don't know, but the Zangband dev team is listed on the left sidebar at http://www.zangband.org/.

Notice Topi Ylinen? He's the adder of the Ancient Morgothian Curse, known in code and among players as the TY_CURSE for his initials.

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Vecna is such a pain in the ass, he never moves away from his entourage of liches and reavers.

>>144373023
>>144373050
Are you calling me a faggot?

>>144373321
Does he only sell jenkem?

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All right. I can get to be an extra sneaky ogre!

>>144373878
he ain't callin' you do dinner

>>144373794
>Abloo bloo Vecna always gets entourages of high undead and demons
He's fucking Vecna.

>>144371889
Topi did.
http://www.zangband.org/Docs/Version-History.aspx
search "versions 1.0 - 2.1.0c"

>>144374779
He's such a weenie though and keeps spamming his retarded blink and then swarms me with liches.

>>144373694
>known in code and among players as the TY_CURSE for his initials
I always wondered why it was called that.

>>144372556
Many use marvinPA's

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SUMMONERS
SUMMONING
SUMMONERS

>>144375140
>HURR STAND AND FIGHT ME UNDEAD FIEND OF ANCIENT WISDOM AND POWER AND EVIL!
"yeah no I'm hiding behind 9000 skeletons"

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Having a lot of fun playing trunk right now.

How about you guys?

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>>144375678

>>144373794
>>144375387
You really need more AC.

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>>144375879

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Holy fuck. She even has Pele as a summon

>>144375387
staff of genocide helps a lot
or quaffing your goddamn speed potion
also teleport other
>>144375906
yes and ac very good point

and fucking dispel evil or undead never goes amiss in cleaning up the chaff, they're not that hard to read or activate

And no heroism for fear

Nor stat sustains (str/con especially!) nor potions saved to restore

And then you complain that the undead lord is being mildly bitchy. Puh leaze.
Goddamn why are you wholly unbuffed? Dare I hope you only just got dispelled

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I don't think I've had stepped on any other teleport trap that was close to being as convenient as that one.

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>>144376132
Well I guess she was just a pushover lmfao. Probably gonna get assblasted by those summons tho

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>>144375906
>>144376148
I actually have a staff of dispel undead but I already recalled to surface because it was just a chase+blink+summon fest. I'll go fight him later, I'm taking a break for now.

>>144375678
>>144375879
>>144376054
What rc file do you have that it tells you how much damage you take? That is really nice.

>>144376941
if online:
include += hugedmg.rc

although that anon's looks like a different one

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>>144375678
>8 damage
>MASSIVE DAMAGE!!

>>144376941
https://github.com/HilariousDeathArtist/DCSSConfigFile

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DEMON WIN FAGGOTS

>>144377257
CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

>clearing lair with only the book of minor magic
demigod wizard is suffering

>>144377484
>[0 skill spear stabs intensify]

>>144377484
Yea. Should've picked wanderer

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>walk downstairs to D:3
>turn a corner to find grinder
>suddenly there's a couple of summoned imps
>throw a net at him and hit him until he breaks out
>imps are all over the place now
>throw another net and continue until he's dead
>get a bunch of exp from him and gain two levels
>imps don't disappear, I have no fucking clue why not
>try to retreat back up the stairs
>something is cleaving my anus apart and I have no idea what the fuck is doing it
>die
>it was fucking Natasha
>she was invisible, and I never even knew she was nearby
God fucking dammit.

>>144377696
Until I found a whip of venom, you would be correct.

>>144377878
I done fucked up.

>>144377939
Grinder can't summon imps. read the message log and xv things you dick.

>>144378210
He can with a scroll of summoning
Or can he not read

>>144378307
Sure, but it wouldn't summon imps.

The real question here is how Natasha went invisible outside of LOS.
The answer is she probably didn't.

>play stealthy elf
>mobs barely notice you and often run away from you unintentionally
stealth isn't what it's cut out to be.

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>D:1

>>144378539
She probably entered LoS but he didn't notice because he is a stupid frogposter. She quaffed an invis potion maybe?

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For when arrows aren't enough.

>>144378741
Reminder that 120% of 10 is 12.

>>144378879
why you gotta rain on his parade

>>144378801
That was my implication, yes.

>>144378879
>>144378972
Ctrl-Q'd anyway. It waited until lvl 4 to tell me I was a monstrous Ds.

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Oh.

>>144378879
Which is huge. Many people have died due to damage only slightly above their max HP. If they had trained a little more fighting or picked a higher HP race they would have survived

>>144379232
How much of a cuck are you

>>144379287
Don't try to make this seem more than it is. Anon is clearly a scrub anyway and would have died by 20 damage over his max hp: >>144379232

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>>144379232
Why do you even play the game?

>>144379478
To play races with armor slots.

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>>144379545

>>144379545
Why even play ds then? You're losing a slot whether you like it or not

>>144379545
armor slots are problematic and will be removed in the next trunk

>>144381253
if you're monstrous you lose 3 slots

buff monstrous demonspawn IMO, give them 2 scales muts

>>144381442
They should get special versions of horn/hooves/claws/talons that do more damage and benefit from UC.

>>144381253
One is fine. All three is excessive; you lose two more slots AND you lose scales.

>>144381442
>>144381594
That's not that bad a loss though. I recently won a draconian who didn't find a single hat throughout all 15 runes.

>>144381803
Don't Dr get gloves and boots and a good to amazing scales mut?

>>144382001
Yes, but no body armor can be rough. Just saying, gotta roll with the punches

>>144382094
>Just saying, gotta roll with the punches
Agreed.

trying to play crawl and the drain flies are attracted to the light of my laptop and keep flying into my face it's so annoying lads

>>144382474
The flies are attracted because crawl is a piece of shit.

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>You evolve.

>>144382474
Light a candle next to the drain and the flies will kill themselves.

>>144382474
yeah i know that feel mann i was watching a flick on my lappie when a makbug flapped up on me illuminated self, so i had to watch the movie with the lights on
heh. guess thats life....

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>>144383429
Meanwhile, in australian /rlg/....

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>wake up and play crawl until the afternoon
>meet a girl for lunch
>she asks what I've been up to today
>momentarily panic as I try to think of a lie
>"heh nothing really, just watched tv"
>crisis averted
Every time. Has anyone else had a similar experience? What is the correct answer?

>>144384074
I usually just tell my gf that I was "playing those autistic ascii games again."

>>144384074
>i played a roguelike
>oh you don't know what's a roguelike? well let me tell ya
>spend the next hour explaing her in detail roguelikes and their history
only correct answer

>>144384074
>>144384247
/rlg/ confirmed for most alpha and least autistic general

>>144382474
>having standing water in your home
>not pouring boiling water down your sink every week
3rd world crawl

>>144384439
i tried to explain roguelikes to a qt girl and she just thought i was poor and couldn't afford good games

>>144383112
>You have evolved into a stone of lore.

>>144384764
>there are people who have to pour boiling water down their sink every week

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>>144384878
>good games

>>144384074
The local Chads found out I played Nethack back in highschool and told everyone.

I woke up the next morning to found out I had regained my virginity. It was a rough month.

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I'm at the stage where stabs might not be the best way to deal with crowds, so in what should I start investing experience? I have Tornado and Shatter in other books, by the way.

I was thinking on Tornado, mostly because it's my favorite AoE spell, but you can suggest me something else.

>>144385169
>dith
cast firestorm

>>144385169
what's your race?
I'd say go down the ice path you got a lota decent spells there.

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>>144383112

>>144385169
POST DUMP

>>144385117
Kek, how did you even manage to reveal your power level

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>>144385207
If it's in red, it means I get more piety for using it, right?
>>144385283
Human.
>>144385648
I have no magic school leveled at all, except for Hexes. That's all you need to know, really.
I forgot I had Stealth turned on while training Dodging pls no bully.

>>144385929
Why is human the best race?

>>144385929
Swap to LB. Level some armour. Pretend you don't have spellbooks because you don't have much in there worth investing for. Get evocations to 20 instead and hope to find some charms or low tier necromancy.

>>144386209
I guess I won't be using the decent INT humans have. Oh, well...

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This is fine.

>>144386494
RULES OF NATURE

>>144386192
Humans can do anything they set their mind to! Just believe in yourself!

>>144386494
the next tele will move you to the opposite side of that room

>>144386192

Because it is the race REAL MEN use to challenge themselves without being transparently terrible like Mummies or Nagas

>>144386861
Actually, that was just the teleport that happened. I then got a gorillion notes about everything making noise and one of the hydras attacking me.

>>144386209
Still, I was looking for crowd control. The weapons I currently possess are fine, but if I'm gonna do extended, a sword and regeneration won't cut through Hellion Island, for example.

When are bows going to be buffed?

They take time to put on and do less damage than just about every thrown item.
You can't use shields, throwing can.

There are zero tradeoffs, it's simply inferior to throwing even with throwing nerfed somewhat in trunk.

Especially now that they removed branded ammunition.

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>>144387189
>When are bows going to be buffed?
They are literally discussing nerfing ranged weapons.

>>144387161
Your crowd control is better killdudes and ducking into corridors. Honestly, I'd be able to advise better if you would just post a dump. Knowing what books you have and your skill levels is helpful, but I really want to see what your stats are, in addition to what you have floating around in your inventory. Don't be so coy anon, I won't stalk you because I saw your berotato user account or anything. No one will hate you for it.

>>144385758
I engraved Elbereth in front of my locker, which was where they usually bullied me.

I forgot that '@'s don't respect Elbereth.

>>144387354
proof?

>>144387161
You don't have to do crowd control. Strict melee works exceptionally well in extended. Just go TSO or Zin and win

>>144387189

Bows created a strategy that revolved around trying to defeat oppoents without requiring the player to manage resources such as their Hitpoints or Mana pools. Fighting in tense situations where the player has to take care to manage their health and mana pools make an overall game of Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup more fun and tactically compelling, but defeating opponents before they can even pose a real threat to you isn't particularly fun or interactive.

>>144387483
They sound like a bunch of "a" to me, anon.

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So shock serpents were not enough and we needed to add this shit to another lair branch?
Have not fought one yet.

>>144387621
This is pretty good, anon.

>>144387645
Yeah, you're starting to need a whole complement of resistances for lair branches, which is frustrating

>>144387621
sometimes i fear that dcss will go the way of 'it's a rougelike it needs to have stupid artificial difficulty!!'

>>144387621
>copypasted blizzard meme with a few words replaced

>>144387771

Which is especially stupid considering the changes to Orc.

>>144387452
I-It's not that, baka! It's that I had forgot how to dump. http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/TheAlmightyOne/TheAlmightyOne.txt
>>144387570
The thing is... I don't want to lose Dith because I want to stab Antaeus, and the aura ensures me a controlled blink over him. It's basically the whole reason for this run.

>>144387621
Note that this is exactly why a +9 holy 3xbow is fucking stellar in pan. Something appears on the edge of your LoS -> Shoot it twice -> repeat until panlord.

>>144387801
What was the original?

>>144387965

Really though, Pan is such a cakewalk by the time you actually do it that it doesn't matter what weapon you use.

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I think I might need to try an archer some time.

>>144387538
Turns out I was remembering it wrong; the dev's proposal is to make ranged weapons a supplemental attack, something everyone can use.
This means ammo will always be destroyed when fired, but ranged weapons will be powerful.

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19943#p269575

>>144388148
That sounds pretty gay, unless they make it so you dont even have to swap, but can use it like throwing.

>>144387978
Leeroy Jenkins created a strategy that revolved around trying to defeat your opponent in one turn without requiring any cards on the board. Fighting for board control and battles between minions make an overall game of Hearthstone more fun and compelling, but taking 20+ damage in one turn is not particularly fun or interactive.

>>144388106
Is this a 555 drop or from the tweaked archery rings?
Where did you find it?

>>144387645
>shock serpent
>spark wasp

What's next? A Shocker Oyster? A Storm Baboon? Spark Mandril?

>>144388360
Dragon's lair:68 in 4.0.2

>>144388298
Last I saw they wanted to make a "launcher" equipment slot.

>>144388426
Oh, so they're turning it into an MMO

Since arrows don't seem to exist in Crawl anymore, what weapon should a hunter use?

>>144388418
dayummmm

>>144388550
scythes

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>>144388418

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>>144387936
Now we're cooking with gas. Nix the LB idea, you have a really nice QB. You're primed to pickup charms really easily, and you can also use bobs if you find any. I think the next few floors should turn up some loot so that you decide what to grab, but I wouldn't try to pickup conjurations or anything. My suggestion is to invest evo as a safety precaution, and transition into charms/air/hexes (for haste/dMissile/silence) into air for tornado when you find the tools. Ctrl-f for any evokers, bobs and spider bags. If you really do have nothing, invest more fighting and find some armour. You could be wearing a good scale mail.

>>144388062
I agree, but it really does make a huge difference if you pair it with stealth. Nexokeks and hellions die in 1 hit, every fiend and cacodemons in 2. You rarely get hit with muts, hellfire or torment because you just roam around shooting stuff as it slowly streams towards you while looking for the exit. For panlords, deploy your bob and melee that fuck.

>>144388550
throwing

>>144388550
Ruks.

>>144389017
The bow does a lot more damage, worth using against the most dangerous enemy of D:2.

>>144389017
Why didn't you panic quaff, or panic read? Why didn't you shoot the adder?

>>144389017
out of the very few options you are given at d1 you chose none
please improve

>>144389270
>>144389436
was dead no matter what due to lethal poison and no cures

>>144389568
coulda blinked away and shot him before it ever got to that point

>>144389568
You don't just start lethally poisoned anon. Your fuckup was like 10 turns ago when you were at 20 HP with 6 poison stacked and decided to keep tabbing instead of taking a sippy. You didn't try to shoot the dirty snake either.

>>144389630
Exactly why ranged weapons need to be nerfed.

>>144389568
>>144389017
FAULT

>>144389717
you could have done that same maneuver with magic tho.
First they came for the rangers, and I did not speak up.

>>144389017
>>144389568
>>144389780
TRAPS AND DOORS

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>>144389568

>>144389936
>you will never step on a blade trap and get guttered for 50 damage again
>you will never search the same room for over 100 turns because you're a dumb MiBe who didn't skill T&D
>you will never again be a butthurt SpEn who tried to pickup a wand but instead found a ravenous mimic and die 3 turns later due to the constriction
>you will never cheese slime again with shit tier artifact gear that couldn't get corroded and a golfbag of bolt wands
Old crawl was dumb.

>>144389913
but mp pools run dry, they will cry!

>>144390304
I think you mean fun, silly

>>144390304
Fuck, you're making me nostalgia.
When you notice that there's an irregularly shaped room somewhere and search and find a hidden door, felt so good

>>144390526
I actually don't miss any of those things, especially mimics with constriction.

I've come to the conclusion that there is not a single good roguelike

>>144390595
you say that like it took some time to figure out

>>144390595
I've come to the conclusion that you don't like roguelikes.
That's okay, anon. I hope you find a genre or game you enjoy.

>>144390575
Maybe it was shit, but it was fun, made the game more interesting and dynamic, silly

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I didn't need arrows anyway.

>>144390871
damn, jewman carries the best shit

>>144390662
>enjoyment

L
E
L

are vampire bats combat viable?
i mean, how far could i get with a vampire monk who just fights in bat form

>>144390304
>you will never step on a hidden tele trap in the minotaur room in the middle of a labyrinth
Why even live?

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>>144391176
>fighting Menkaure
>Full map explored
>poison dagger, draining shortsword and good rings, lair was guaranteed
You know you could have just gone down, right? You don't need to fight every dude.

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>tfw not an octopode

>>144391176
>fighting monsters that are far stronger than you and not literally just skipping him
the exit was right there
right fucking there
the solution to your problem was literally one block left of you

>>144390871
>the +9 battleaxe of the Three Rune Win
Nice.

>>144391176
You have ID scrolls why were you blind quaffing son

>>144391176
You are terrible at DCSS.

>>144391139
Just spam Makhleb's destruction and stay in batform all game

>>144391524
teach me senpai

>>144391382
>wasting ?ID on rings when you have 11 ?RC
Don't!

>>144391757
but I'm just so lazy at this point. Not much left to ID anyways

>>144391731
play webtiles first.

>>144391896
See, now if you died here, that would actually not be a fault, for the first time. Learn the difference.
And quaff ID those pots. If you break confusion, try to run to the stairs.

>>144391896
quaff shit till you find cure.
then evoke your feet and run to the stairs. sigmund will not follow because lol reaching brand weapon

>>144391524
Plan online.

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>>144392017
>>144392095

>>144388106
rings of archery are pretty bad without having Xs or Xm

the dam bonus is applied AFTER the shooter's multiplier for some godawful reason, so unless they have huge values like that one they're garbage

>>144392017
He's got a ring of loudness on, that difference in stealth probably woke sigmund up. So this is a cleverly disguised FAULT

>>144392193
but who was yiuf

>>144391436
>using a battleaxe
it's good but you still wanna switch it out for exe unless you're a DD and desperately need vamp

>>144392095
evoke your feet?

>>144392560
wp but you probably shouldn't have picked another fight with him

just go >

>>144392513
Yiuf chased me to D:1 and got lost.

>>144392650
If you don't die, you'll get to ascend with him. You lucky dog.

>>144392587
it's sarcasm for running away.

>>144393273
>only +3 speed

throw it INTO THE VOLCANO

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Should I stick to short swords or switch to axes for this?
I seem to be able to use it well without any axe skill though.

>>144393646
no thanks I like how it makes my Blade of Chaos (Wild) into a 4d30 weapon

>>144394090
swing it around without any skill if you want but it isn't an endgame-tier weapon so it isn't worth switching weapon skills for

>>144394090
>11 base damage
>16 skill for .7 delay
Axes are so shit.

>>144394608
Unless you hit >1 enemy, in which case it's now the best

>>144394774
But those are inherently bad situations.

>>144394774
yes but only in situations where you HAVE to fight multiple enemies and can't retreat to a corridor or dig a killhole

>>144394930
No kidding, but sometimes they happen whether you like it or not.
Axes help you when you need it the most.

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>>144395013
I'll help you when you need it most.

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What armor should I be shooting for?

>>144395370
Leather or ring.

>>144395285
Can love bloom on the battlefield?

>>144395931
You feel it, too, don't you?

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These things always make me laugh.

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feels good man

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I'm ready for you this time asshole.

>>144397387
>The hydra bites you!
>The hydra bites you!!!
>The hydra bites you x 3.
>Ouch! That really hurt!
>***LOW HP WARNING***

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Is this intended?

Please tell me they are going to change this.

>>144397640
What that? Im not sure what youre pointing out exactly

>>144397640
ya need to learn to not tab every time you see something friend.

>>144397692
>>144397697
>god gift of 16 arrows

>>144397604
I'm wearing meme mail, I'm perfectly fine.

>>144397640
that's what you get for leveling your ranged attack skills

>>144397640
Yea Fedhas should be removed

>>144397751
And? Did you read what kind of god oka is? Do you know how his gifts work?

>>144397640
oka has two gift timers, one for ammo, one for everything else. ammo turns up a lot so you'll end up with a lot of arrows thoughout the game.

>>144397640
He gifts you arrows in addition to his usual grandpa gifts. They don't affect one another.

>>144397923
>>144397842
Makes more sense now

>>144397968
You'll still get your +0 hat. Don't worry.

>>144398064
i think you mean -2 cursed hat with -rF -rC

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How the fuck am I supposed to run a necromancer in DCSS?

Is it hybrid with ally support? Help me out, senpais.

This one really set me reeling.

>>144361213

If I'm developing a rogue like can I post about it here?

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>>144398582

>>144398590
Assuming it is a roguelike and not a roguelikelike.

>>144398557
At first use pain and animate skeletons. Train necromancy and learn vampiric draining. Once you know vampiric draining you can train whatever you want.

Personally I don't use animate skeleton because allies are tedious to use and pain kills everything very easily.

>>144398590
sure m8, but be warned that this thread carries a terrible curse

other than IAdev and incaveadev, most devs who post about their projects disappear never to be seen again

>>144398882
Amy

>>144398957
now you've done it

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So, according to what I read earlier, for maximum stab, I need to get 25DEX and then pump strength, right?

>>144398557
you don't, you start wizard and branch into necromancy after papa Kiku gives you his first gift

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Kek.

>>144399043
25 is a little overkill. You can put the rest of your points into strength.

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Scrolls of blinking work here now? Is there any new drawback to grabbing the orb, now that it's like 10 times easier?

>>144400434
Blink become random and tele kicks way later AFTER you grab the orb for all the orb run. Whip out those disintegration and digging wands senpai.

>>144400559
it was always like that

>>144400559
So if my first tele lands in the vault I just die. Going to do it the normal way then, thanks.

>>144361213

WHY DID THEY HAVE TO RUIN CATACLYSM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>144400678
>>144400559
Never mind, yolo.

>>144400841
RIP in peace

>>144400841
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>144400841
What did you DOOOO

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>CSZO is dead now
>CBRO is a ghost town
>all the cool kids hang out on CAO

>>144400841
TURN UP THE BASE

>>144401474
>BASE

FUCK

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>>144400841
And it's done.

I don't know how much Uskayaw was talked about in this thread so maybe I'll repeat obvious stuff.
He's pretty weak. The strongest ability was the mass paralyze. It's a very strong ability. But the other abilities are not that impactful.

Stomp can be strong but it drains piety and by using it you're preventing paralyze and life link from happening, so it's hardly worth it. Can be very useful for a guaranteed decent damage hit in certain situations.

Piety gain is pretty bad. For example: I shouldn't be LOSING piety while fighting an orb of fire. I very rarely had high piety when fighting dangerous enemies.

You have to be very very lucky to get to use the final instakill ability on something strong.

>>144401702
Such a shame. Were you using faith too? Nice job on the run either way.