Eve Online General - /eog/

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It's time for the miner bingo lads. Let's see how many of you are TRUE miners.

Mark with X any square that you've done/do as a miner.

so can someone tell me what exactly the cap rebalance of apr 27 did?

My subscription expires on the 4th of June. If I buy a subscription now, do I get the 30 days + 3 or does the 30 day count start from today?

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>Goonswarm

>>144078363
the sub days are added onto whatever days you currently have

>>144078363
+30 days so you will be sub until 34th june

>34th june
That doesn't exist.

>>144078704
It exists if you believe in it.

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>>144078098
Welp I'm guilty

>>144078098
>I have no money, I just bought a ship

if you see some miner say this and it appears to be true (ie. they have a cheapo fit) you're a cunt of a person assisting the game's death if you go on to kill them

>>144078130
as a person who does not fly caps and a member of an alliance that does not, to my knowledge, fly any caps except the odd freighter, this is my understanding of what happened:

>carriers can't fit triage modules any more
>non-triage remote repping on caps was severely nerfed
>a new class of capital, the force auxiliary (FAXs) was created that uses triage modules and now fills the logi capital role (see >>144044424)
>all capital hp was drastically nerfed
>capital sized plates and many other tanking mods were created (and meta/t2/faction versions)
>capital prop mods introduced
>you can't refit from a depot or a fleet mate with a weapons timer, so combat refitting is gone
>total rework of fighters, they aren't like drones any more but more like little remote control squads that you direct like an RTS and they have their own sub abilities and their damage output can be staggering
>i think there was some kind of nerf to normal dread guns being able to hit subcaps but i forget what it was
>dreads get new "high angled weapons" (HAWs) designed to hit subcaps but i hear their dps is mediocre
>titans got a bunch of new aoe doomsdays that use vector-style targetting that do a bunch of crazy things like teleporting or mass neuting
>all caps get fleet hangars (i think that was that patch, not sure)
>something about being able to point supers with enough normal points, you don't need hics any more

i may be getting some of this mixed up with things that will be coming out later - i know there's a thing where you can launch various probes out to a point in space, like warp disruption probes, so you can launch bubbles from a distance - but i'm pretty sure that's planned and not in the game yet.

>>144058445
>>144058468
>>144058554

2 Unscripted sebos are better than 2 opposite scripted ones. The bonus of the second sebo is applied to the already bonused value from the first sebo which, even with the stacking penalty, works out better.

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>Amarr
yfw rev is now good

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i dunno guys, wat do u think?

What kind of starting isk/hr can I expect as a jita whore, is it enough to buy falcons every couple days?

>>144082898

You can do the same thing on a legion except with medium beam tracking and for like a bil less and goes 10x faster

what are some of the best tacklers in the game for small gang pvp?

>>144083326
interceptors

>>144082942
I don't know why you'd need more than one falcon (since it's quite hard to lose one). There is a jita whore who has prices listed in her bio, just undercut her. Can't remember the name though.

Anybody tried doing missions in SOE nulls? How hard it is to survive there solo?

>>144086676
SoE LP is shit.

>>144085613
>There is a jita whore who has prices listed in her bio, just undercut her

You can't even escape 0.01 iskers ass a whore, huh?

>>144083326
stiletto is best

>>144086787
I don't care about lp that much, although it still seems to be pretty ok, on par with fw lp at least, i just want all 10 standings with SOE corporations because reasons.

>>144079524

It's specifically encouraged behaviour by CCP.

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>>144079524
>eve's 13th year of dying
>bad people kill people
JUST BIOMASS NOW

WHERE'S THE SMUT

>>144087867
I probably wouldn't want to live out there full time. I don't know how crowded X-7O and the associated systems are when there's no war, but I would assume that you will be constantly fucked with by any locals. You can probably do missions without dying, but you'll have to spend a lot of time cloaked or docked up when people try to probe you. And you'll need a lot of gate tacs and safespots because that pipe is camped and bubbled quite often. Or it was, anyway.

You could do it, but you'd need to bring a bunch of stuff out with you, like a DST full of shit or a jump freighter if you have one. Then jump clone back to empire and leave your clone up there. Go up when you want to mission, go back when you don't.

You're better off just grinding in Simela or some other empire system if you just want standing. I can empathize, I used to grind standing on my characters for personal head-cannon, but it's worthless and a waste of time unless you're just playing solo and have nothing better to do.

>>144088614
>>144089258
I so wish ccp would make actual prison for most notorious capsuleers. The ear splitting crying and buckets of tears from CODE, and other leet high sec pvpers, will be a glorious thing to witness.

>>144087712
It's so fucking ugly though

>>144089347
Did you miss Timmeh/Mussah and Reyni/Mandelore?

>>144090609

They would just roll new suicide gank alts every time they get jailed.

Do Drone sites have their own loot yet?

>>144090761

high meta drone upgrades.

>>144090907
So Drone Combat sites are finally worth doing?

>>144090609
I would prefer roaming gangs of DED special ops that just engage the notorious pilots you mention without any warning or provocation. They can give them sleeper AI or whatever, and also give them probing ships to scan them down. They would be killable, but tough. You don't get concorded for engaging them (after they attack you), but you do get suspect status. No loot drops.

Add a function to pirate faction locator agents that will tell you what constellation the DED task force is deployed to. It will change at random intervals.

>>144090965

As long as you can tolerate the locals.

>>144020406
I own myself

What's up with all the tripfags?

Phil who do you want your fanfic to involve?

>>144091538
Th-thom is best husbando

Why are missile skills so shit compared to gunnery?

>Rank 5 skill for a 2% missile damage bonus compared to Rank 4 for a 3% gunnery damage bonus
>A Rank 2 and a Rank 5 for missile damage application compared to a Rank 2 skill for gunnery tracking
>Both RoF skills are rank 2, but the gunnery skill gives a 4% bonus compared to the missiles 3% bonus

And you have to train up 2 skills to level 5 in order to use both types of t2 launchers in a certain size class and gunnery no longer forces you to have the smaller weapon specialization any more.

>>144091761
Because Missiles and Guns are different.

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>training anything above frigate missiles
Why

>>144091761
Well, you can't mitigate missile damage with manual piloting. I agree that it's not quite equitable in terms of skill reqs, but I would favor keeping it how it is just to prevent missiles from becoming even more prevalent.

>>144083326
Atrons are cheap as fuck if you plan on taking one for the team

>>144090642
i've read both of those, but the writer man said he was gonna write another based on the poll.

>>144090534
Food Relief and Sanctuary have agents only in SOE nulls. Not sure if i get standings with them as part of the SSOE faction, they still didn't appear in my character standings, then again i am a fairly new player, around 1.5 months or so, and my SSOE standing is only around 1.20.

>>144092246
did you actually enjoy them?

>>144091761
it doesn't matter

>>144091960
Bombers, rattlesnakes. Engaging heavier ships with HML cerbs. I suppose gila and onyx also

>>144092250
You can build standing with them via storyline missions for regular SSOE. I can't see my standings on neocom but IIRC I have like 9.6 with SSOE, 6.5 with sanctuary, and slightly less than that with Food Relief. Only did empire missions for SSOE.

>>144092523
>muh meme ships

>>144092523
Oh nice, thanks, that's far easier then

>>144092353
i mean... mindbreak is hot as fuck. a bit hard to enjoy when you've heard everyone's voices, though.

>>144092523
Naming 4 ships isn't helping the missile side
It's too specialised
Train it once you have 80M sp

>>144092898
that is why vilhyin and reyni will be gagged in the next one as they desperatly squirm for dicks

>still no arty vaganond fit

>>144095408

Artillery has too much fitting requirements to be viable. Its not gonna happen as you have to gimp a fit to make room.

>>144094425
that's lewd as fuck, anon.

>>144095653
meanwhile autocannon fits use battleship prop mods and shield boosters

>>144091085
Problem is, targets like those never undock except for very specific reasons for a short amount of time and do so in easily replaceable ships. Anytime they need to do any legnthy activity, they'd use an alt.

Without fixing this, gank squads are just going to continue doing their thing and suffer zero long term consequences of it.

Has there ever been an instance of CCP actually removing ships from the game because it was too strong? Or is /eog/ jist a bunch of whiney neckbeards that hate getting blapped by t3? Or both?

I'm wondering what the chances are that they'll admit t3 was a mistake snd remove them vs just nerfing them to the ground.

>>144095783

Correct. Autocannons have the least fitting and artillery the most. Coupled with minmatar ships having lower overall cpu and powergrid artillery are a chore to use.

>>144096161
why would they remove instead of nerfing?

>>144096367
my face when the maelstrom has the more powergrid than amarr battleships

>>144096161
No. And that will never happen.

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>

>>144098180
Wow what a cool guy

any of you dirty niggers manage to escalate a data site in nullsec drone regions?

I didn't know you could escalate data sites. Can you also escalate relic sites?

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>>144098778
>>144098457
you can't escalate shit

>>144098457
i escalated my firbolgs barrels into ur mum lmao

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>>144098830
shut your whore mouth
>>144098778
https://youtu.be/7WXHoTcaCfI
>>144098881
lmao

>>144099207
Thanks. Fuck going to drone space though, what a shithole. I used to live around there in 2006-2009. Skarkon specifically.

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>>144099837
yeah I've been there for the last 3 days, tried 2 different drone regions and probably did 15 sites which isn't much but it did take a total of about 12 hours. No escalation sites but I've got a shitload of intergrated drone blueprints, best one would net me about 0.5bill but I need a skill injector in get all the shit I need to manufacture it

other than that i brought back like 70 mill loot which is godawful.

bellicose

>>144100136
I tried doing exploration on my alt in syndicate and curse for about 3 weeks, probably an average of 2.5 hours a day. I think I got 300 or 400m worth of loot in total. I know that's just bad luck, but for the time investment and risk... fuck that. I'm just going to train her for incursions now.

>>144102515
dog shit, rather have a celestis or arbitrator

>>144102528
Nah m8. Drone regions are DEAD. Absolute shithole. The aug bpcs are the only thing worth in the entire region.

>>144103171
They're not per se dead, the russians live there but russians will live in any shithole they get their hands on. So since no real EVE player wants drone space, the russians take it and they've held it for almost a decade

>>144103171

What about the officer drone spawns?

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>mfw people use "per se" incorrectly

>>144103419
non-existent like other officer spawns, they have the same rate as any other region

>>144103515
that was correct

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Its time to mine.

>>144103171
Well those domination POS guns are real hot sellers. Not even profitable to manufacture unless you also have a bp and mats to build the regular turret too. Literally all I've gotten from sites. I had an ascendant implant blueprint once, but tried to hack a third can and got blown up by the npcs.

And my idea to set up a PI network in Curse has totally backfired in the face of this 10k skill point daily shit. Now I have to go to Empire every day to kill a rat. I could try and pick off frigs in 0.0 belts I guess, but with my luck I'd probably just get killed.

I wanted to manufacture implants, but there's almost no profit in them even if you make all the PI mats yourself, which are all advanced mats and it takes like 2 weeks to get the mats for a single implant.

I'm just going to pack everything up and go set up a PI network closer to a trade hub. Because I still had to cart that shit through all of Derelik just to sell it.

Guess I am bad at making money.

>>144104036
>I wanted to manufacture implants, but there's almost no profit in them even if you make all the PI mats yourself, which are all advanced mats and it takes like 2 weeks to get the mats for a single implant.
other people have hyper optimized this process, the only real valuable thing is the BPC if you find it. Someone already generates the mats because they're making the mats for other T2 invention and production as well

Is there something in my API that would clue someone onto my alt that I use to awox haulers? Hypothetically of course.

>>144103515
you can say so per se

>>144105013
as part of an api check people will be looking at your killboard history. I use an api tool that even automatically checks for awoxing

>>144105013

If it's on different account? Not really, unless you directly trade things with it.

>>144105248
>I use an api tool that even automatically checks for awoxing

no you don't

>>144105320
what?

>>144105248
Separate account. Didn't even friend invite for free plex. The only connection was that I sold myself a skill injector in jita to get an orthrus quick. The money I used was from a third account not in the alliance that I keep in jita for market shit.

>not buying 100 skill injectors to try new stuff with a brand new pilot
whats wrong are you poor?

>>144105586
then it won't be detected

>>144104160
I just wanted to do something interesting, I'm not trying to make a fortune. I wasn't playing when they released the implant BPCs and it seemed neat. I had done drug manufacturing in the past (in my own 2 character corp) and that was a pain in the ass, but satisfying. Guess I will just have to do the same shit as everyone else for money.

I thought about starting my own drug corporation and recruiting 2 or 3 other people, but I wound up joining an established one that purported to be in the business. Except now I'm just an F1 shitter and spend all of my time on my main doing pvp ops.

I'd like to leave, but I'm still owed like 500m in SRP and I have most of my assets in places where I wouldn't be able to access them if I left.

>>144104036
You are thinking about Angel space. Drone regions are north of it. Kalevala, Oasa and shit.

I fucking love the skybox there. The jellyfish nebula is dank.

>>144105813
if i say yes will you give me 100 skill injectors?

>>144106705
Yes I was talking about my experience doing exploration in Curse. I love that region of space, Derelik too, but it's so fucking far from everything. Really quiet and comfy though, I barely get harassed puttering around Heaven/Sound/Hale.

why the fuck do the sounds in eve get so static-y sometimes

>>144107215
you mean like when you hover over anomalies and signatures in space?

>>144107376

no, it seems like its the missile explosions on my ship

speaking of which, CCP's sound department has got to be literally THE worst in any industry I have ever seen. I believe they only have one guy doing all the sound work, including the music, and I have to wonder whether he was self-taught, because the shit he puts out is just fucking atrocious.

The fucking gong killsound was what sealed the deal for me. Just what the fuck is going on with that guy, and how the fuck is his shit getting greenlit?

>>144107559
idk then, try going to sound setting and ticking the "limit amount of sounds", "lower weapon sounds, and untick "sound doppler effect" if it is ticked on.

>>144107215
sound engine is 10 years old

Wyoming has almost double the population of Iceland, not like they have a deep talent pool to work with. I think they know that a lot of people play with the sound off and budget accordingly.

Plus there's no sound in space. IIRC they spun it in a chronicle or something that the pod interface creates sounds to keep the pilot from getting disoriented or something like that.

Yeah a lot of them are shitty though.

>>144107594
Usually when you work for a game studio you have to live in the vicinity of the game studio and not abroad. Notice how CCP Rise was a US citizen but now lives in iceland

>>144107594
what makes you think he pushed that idea

>tfw no battleship burners for dank bs 1v1

>>144108306
>the burner BS flies 2km/s, does 1900dps and hits you for quadruple digit numbers despite having 80%+ resists

>also its immune to scrams, Sensor boosters, neuts, TD's, and jams

>>144108532
>burner barghest with 70k point

>>144107849

figured that was the issue

turning down explosions seems to have fixed it though, i mainly just like the music more than anything

>not enjoying eve music

>burners are imitating pirate ships with links/snakes/pimp
>anon thinks it's possible for a ship with links to participate in a 1v1

is this a ruse

>>144108532
you forget he also has 2 triage fax and a citadel in grid shooting you with doomsdays

>ratting drama

>wardec highsec guy on cyno alt as joke
>banter before wardec so he knows it's joke
>retract war giving him a 420420 Isk profit while im down 50m
>ask him about highsec and what he does as I'm a npc null guy who hasn't lived in highsec for years
>get responses that suggest he's really mad
>try to make amends
>ur nosy,weird,advances in commutication too strong don't talk to me

Like wtf can't handle the banter or what mate. I just tried to be friendly in a harden up cunt way and ur having a emo rage.

>>144109569
stfu griefer ppl like u r killing this game

>>144107894
I like when the lore justifies little things in games. I appreciated the HUD in halo a lot more after I read the nylund books.

>>144109715
Sad thing is I always though he was a chill dude. I just poked him with a stick a lil out of curosity and he's gone into his emo shell.

If ur reading this and u know who u r pls no mad pvp is a gud thing in eve. Probably the only gud thing

>u
>ur

Kill yourself.

>>144111252
This general is like 5 people, he's not reading this

>>144114486
I am reading this.

>>144109569
m8 you are some literally who alt who starts asking me questions about stuff i do so i figured you are grm because hes autistic enough to destroy people's profits for fun

Vil get's forcefeed mre by a brutor and gets mindbroken as he has to take the dump
Thank me later writer anon

>>144103671
>13mil/hr

Not even that bad honestly? Some Jita whores only make 10m/hr.

And that's not the best you can do mining, either. Huff premium wormhole gas in a Prospect and you can make 10mil in 10 minutes.

>>144107894
There's microphones that record sound by monitoring vibrations shown by an infra-red laser, so it's not quite unbelievable to think there might be something like that on ships.

>>144115125
Do I need to bring a mobile depot with me and then haul the gas out with a DST or something? I know the prospect has an ore hold or whatever, but I doubt it could hold everything.

>>144115759
just move it with the prospect

>>144115759
Venture and prospect have big enough hold. And you won't be able to clear the whole site in 15 minutes. The sleepers come and whoop your ass.

why does my launcher keep checking shared resources every fucking time

>>144116785
>>144116831
Oh okay. I think I was thinking of ice which is enormous. It's been awhile since I have mined gas. I have 15 minutes after warping to a site before sleepers show up?

I have no wormhole experience.

>>144117604
here's an actual useful thing some guy in all-out wrote

http://all-out.github.io/guides/wormhole-gas/

and here's prices

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/gas.html

I only do gas sites in C5 and C6 space with 'core' in the name, they contain the fullerite c320. if you're poor though you might want to do the less rare sites as well. I think the guide mentions how the rats work, and also the special retarded site with the instapop sentry guns

there are gas sites in lowsec as well, but they're different. I found some pretty good ones, no rat spawns at all, and a venture's worth of golden cytoserocin. I also found plenty with rats, and plenty with worthless shit gas (mykoserocin). presumably the other cytoserocin gases are in lowsec or nullsec, but I've not bothered to look it up, I prefer to just try stuff out myself

>>144117527
try turning off the test servers, there's a patch for them almost every day

>>144117604
If you want WH ice, The endurance has 15k ice hold.

>>144116831
How hard is it to kill those sleepers?

>>144118231

how do you do that?

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>>144118580

>>144119109

what fucking launcher is that...

>>144118192
Thanks. And the lowsec gas is for making boosters, that's what I have prior experience with. Myko is for synth boosters, and while not as expensive as cyto, it's worth a little depending on what it is. Most people sell it for dirt cheap though so you don't really need to spend time mining it if you're making synths. Hauling it can be a pain though, unless you have a jump freighter. The profit margins on synths are insane, but the demand isn't too high and you're not gonna make billions only doing synths.

If you look on the old map you may see various constellations labeled within the pirate regions and low-sec border regions. Those constellations spawn the gas sites at an increased rate. It seems like they have made them even more rare outside of the constellations, but you can supposedly still find them. The majority of low sec sites will be myko, majority of null will be cyto, but there's the possibility for either. Certain types of gas are exclusive to certain regions. For example I think Golden is only found in Lonetrek and Pure Blind, or maybe Venal. I've never done a site with rats, but some of them do have rolling waves of AoE damage. Not too severe though. I know my current corp has listings of all of the sites and what they have, but it can be tough to figure stuff out about booster production. People who do it tend to keep their cards close. There's an old guide that's still relevant if you want to know more. Google "atap booster production" and it will be the first result.

>>144118285
That's my favorite looking ship in the game.

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>tyool 2016
>using the old launcher

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>>144119813
i thought they took the old one out for good

guys I just came back to the game and I have no money and a shitty uninsured caracal with no fittings (I think I unsubscribed straight after my old one got blown up like five years ago because I'm a faggot)

What's a nice way to get back into the game and make some money? Should I just ignore the caracal and get into a frigate and run shitty l1 missions and explore until I'm not a retard or is there some super secret way to git gud that only /eog/ knows?

>>144121039
join a corp

>>144121039
Join a corp and ask one of them to lend a krabbing ship for you to get a kickstart.

so how do i get the new launcher

>>144119813
>replying to posts without including post numbers

>>144121039
join all-out. remember to apply inside.

>>144121342
https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/

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>>144121039
join tengoo

>tfw Reyni will never be your willing cocksleeve and instead is Mandelore's cumdump

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>tfw grarr will never make tender love to you all night in hopes of impregnating you

>tfw your will never be a limbless girl with a small boiclit eagerly awaiting your master Mandelore

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>replying
>posts
>post numbers

>arrowposting

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>>144121039
I think you know.

>>144124923
Huh, I had been wondering if there was some kind of rp sex slave trade.

>>144118394

too hard for a mining ship.

Speculation on when the Industrial Arrays will come out? Late Sept/Oct? November?

>>144126669
they said they'd be fixing links and t3ds for summer, but they haven't even said anything about unfucking the citadel expansion

I'd take their last guess at when industrial arrays will come out and add 3-6 months

>tfw no matigu seabeast gf

>>144129303

>ccp
>unfucking expansions

Meanwhile, WiS.

>>144130019
a 'nothing' feature is better than something that fucks the game up horribly (capital changes)

>>144129996

i want that for my blackbird so bad ;_;

>>144130297

but the capital changes are good...

>>144130735
>

>>144130735

>instalocking, fucklong range, instapop subcaps carriers
>good

>>144130836

go ahead and tell us whats wrong

also, post killmail

>>144130975
>post killmail

shit meme fuck off

>whats wrong

dreads and carriers are still too good at killing subcaps

the ewar vulnerabilities/resistances are a total flop and just mean they are possible to jam, all other kinds of ewar are totally useless

zero of the capital ships slippery escape / bullshit travel has been fixed. they can still be webbed or use mwd to drop their align time by like 70%

>>144131224
>they can still be webbed or use mwd to drop their align time by like 70%

this isn't just a capital thing though

people are learning how to defend against carriers, they really aren't that bad anymore

there's nothing wrong with blapdreads

>>144131491
>this isn't just a capital thing though

true, but it has much less effect on smaller ships. it's not such obviously grievous bullshit when a battleship mwd warps for 10s align rather than 12s

web warping freighters and shit is obviously retarded though yeah

>learn how to defend against carriers

yeah it's called not flying 80% of the ships in game because they're useless now

>there's nothing wrong with blapdreads

there is everything wrong with them m8

>nanobabbies crying that their meta is dead

>>144131829
>they're useless now

could have fooled me

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>learn how to defend against carriers
>not getting caught
>bring a blob

wew lad, real engaging gameplay there

>>144132162

Take any subcap that isn't a cloaky against a single carrier camping 400+ km off a gate, tell us how that went.

>>144132162
ok tell me how to get a frigate or destroyer to not get instapopped by fighters

I'd also like to hear how to get a cruiser to not get instapopped by fighters other than having like 50k+ tank

>>144132381

it'll go fine cause i'll just jam his fighters

>>144131986
not being a capital faggot or T3s+guardians faggot doesn't mean you're a nanobabby

>their meta is dead

this phrase makes you sound really dumb

>WAAAAAH MY T3Ds AND NOMENS ARE DYING TOO FAST AND I CAN'T KITE THEM WAAAAH

>>144133036
what the fuck is this post

are you whining about nomens dying?

>>144133036
how butthurt about kitefags can you even be

>they say with a straight face after bitching about carriers on reddit and in this thread like big babies

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>that one guy who spergs every time somebody actually wants to post about eve

>>144131829
>yeah it's called not flying 80% of the ships in game because they're useless now
You're fucking retarded for this one statement alone

>>144133875
no you are

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>its ok guys just bring your big blob alliance to kill that carrier tidi fights are that much fun

can a carrier field more fighters (at once) than there are jam slots on a falcon?

>capital ship are supposed to be good, it's supposed to be able to be killed by 400 millions worth of confessors
>>144134321
No, and the fighters have piss poor sensor strength and get jammed as a squadron

>>144134321
No, at most it can field 3 DPS fighters and 1 support fighter squad

>>144134321

no, a griffin can shut down a carrier

BoB laments that the world is all blue

Then it becomes red and they die to goons

Goons lament that the world is all blue

Then is becomes red and they die to the next ambiguously named supercoalition

The world is looking pretty blue for them now, too. And so the cycle repeats... forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY

>>144134436
>>144134475
>>144134674
Then why are people complaining? I can understand the instalocking and tethering shit, we could do without that.

I think the changes are exciting though. I want to see carrier battlegroups roaming around.

>>144135513
because the carriers can lock and instantly alpha anything for nearly 30k alpha in less than 2 seconds

they have destroyer scan res with the NSA, then upwards of 2000 with extra sensor boosters and the like.

You won't have time to lock and jam the fighters or carrier let alone jam them

>it's balanced because it's not immune to ecm

>>144135513
Because Carrier fighters have great application and speed. they absolutely destroy nano gangs and basically insta blap nomens and t3ds. T3cs and battleships with logi can easily deal with it but babies in this thread are crying over the fact that they have sunk a ton of sp into shit that can't kill carriers anymore.

>ton of sp

>the only types of ships are 'nano' and t3cs/battleships
>implying 'nano' ships are so undertanked that they aren't representative of normal ships, so actually everything is fine

I'm surrounded by retards

>implying hacs, t3cs, command ships, battleships and blops don't have the fucking ehp to stay on grid and tank a carrier with logi support
>implying destroyers, t1 cruisers and faction cruisers aren't basically supposed to be alpha'd by a 1 billion isk ship

well everyone here seems to know way more about the game than I do so I'll just stop posting

>https://youtu.be/LwHFE111oiA?t=4m55s
>battleships can easily deal with it

>>144136470
>well it's his fault for not soloing in a T3 cruisers + guardians gang. that set of 10 ships will easily permatank a single carrier, lmao shitter

what if carriers had to deploy to launch fighters?

>getting buttblasted because a shitter got caught on a gate camp and using it as a good example that carriers are op
>reddit

>he doesn't roam in a dual plated slaved bs
asking for it desu senpai

>>144136470
kek

one rocket salvo alpha through his shields and half his armor the other salvo took the other half and 90% his structure

>>144136996
>NO GUYS GETTING TWO SHOT BY BOTH CARRIERS ITS TOTALLY BALANCED
>it was from reddit so it doesn't count
>also he's shit because I gotta throw something arbitrary in there too
>don't forget it was on a gate, not that it matters just sayan

>>144137002
yeah if he had that fit he would've easily lasted a good 20 seconds

also he's a shitter for not roaming in a scorpion, just jam all the fighters, carriers are balanced guys

>>144137348
thats what you get for not triple plating it

why is everyone so mad

>crying that 2 bil worth of ships on grid are camping a gate is able to kill a battleship
>it would have been fine if it were 20 svipuls though.. right guys xD please upvote!
>carriers are totally safe and are not vulnerable to get dropped, they are unstoppable killing machines just because I died to one

>>144137517
I'm only pretending

>>144137536
the old fighters would have taken over a minute to kill that battleship, he barely lasted 3 seconds

~~friendly reminder~~

The current price of losing a platinum insured T2-fit carrier is 131m ISK at Jita prices

>>144137536
good point anon bigger ships are more expensive than smaller ships, let's remove all tracking/sig damage reductions

>vulnerable to getting dropped

lmao, bullshit jump drive ships are balanced because they can get attacked by bullshit jump drive ships. not that a carrier needs to stop aligning at any point ever

>But back when carriers were complete fucking garbage it would have taken a minute to kill him!

>>144137747
carriers weren't garbage, their fighters peformed differently

they had 100mm scan res, they fired once every 15 seconds.

The actual DPS of the carriers is about the same as before.

>>144137747
>I promise you anon I flew carriers way more than you, old fighters would just orbit battleships and miss because their tracking was so bad, they were super underpowered

>getting so buttblasted you contradict each other
>still complaining thzt 10 times the value of a battleship is able to kill one fast when he uses an active rep fit

>u mad because you died

capfags is this all you have

>>144138393
No one contradicted themselves

old einherjis had no problem hitting cruisers and they applied well enough to battleships, even then the new fighters are all insta-locking front loaded raw alpha that literally two shot a fucking battleship. The old fighters were effectively big drones and acted as such. They took much longer to respond and traveled like drones. Their damage was split at 15 second intervals.

You're fucking retarded and it shows you've never flown an old carrier

>"ur retarded because I said so"
>"its not that I died to one, I just hate how they apply damage like the ship was worth 1 bil"

~~friendly reminder #2~~

The current price of losing a platinum insured T2-fit carrier is 131.3m ISK at Jita prices!

>>144138929
>its balanced because its expensive
>its not op because it can instalock like a cockbag destroyer, apply 30k alpha instantly or any of that

if carriers are so good, why dont you fly one?

>hurr 1bil
Marauders and blops cost the same and their damage is hardly comparable.

>WAAAH MY DESTROYER GANG CANT KILL THE BIG EXPENSIVE SHIP THAT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE SHIT

>>144139301
marauders are tanks, not dps'ers

>>144139301
a carrier would alpha a marauder off the field

>huurrr my t2 battleships are comparable to a base t1 carrier

why are these capfags all upset about small gangs and fun roaming ships like they're overpowered or something

>>144139683
so that "big expensive 1b ship" doesn't apply anymore?

>train target painting V
>don't even need it, fighters can instapop an 8km/s linked interceptor

>says the redditor as he again checks if he has received karma on his post as to why ccp needs to remove carriers
>not understanding the difference between t1 and t2 shit and even engaging in this discussion

>>144140135
when has cost ever been a balancing factor

>>144140280
When you just used as it as one a few posts ago, do you have brain damage?

>>144140047
seems like the opposite to me

>>144140328
wasn't me senpai

cost has never been a metric of balance

>>144140502
Why are JFs more expensive than iterons then?

>>144140552
they do vastly different things

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>131 million
>expensive

why don't people just start flying carriers in small gangs? they're only 131m after all

>>144140718
People don't know about the T2-fit carriers meme yet, really

It's an around-the-curve meme and will doubtless come to dominate the meta soon. A lot of people already are doing solo T2 carrier stuff, czech zkill.

>>144140680
So? You don't balance with isk, they should both cost the same.

>muh insurance

>>144140718
Same reason people rarely roam in BS. They're slow. People use them in their staging and nearby systems.

>>144141076
you failed to make your point

>>144140718
>take this 1au/s fleetwarp

cost is a balancing factor. but ship size is supposed to be a more important factor imo.
battleships follow the rules with ship sizes and have a lot of problems to deal with - they get all the disadvantages of shitty tracking shitty scan res and shitty mobility (mjds and grapplers are they only class-breaking thing they get). they're more expensive than cruisers, but that doesn't mean they get a load of immunities and retarded aids - they get the good and the bad from being a larger ship class.
carriers though, just fuck. what does a battleship do that a carrier doesn't? what advantage from being a battleship-size ship do you get over being a capital-size ship? they can align in 10 seconds like a battleship, carriers now lock like interceptors (remember guys they need that instalock module so they can kill enemy fighters :^)), and they apply their higher dps more effectively out to infinite range

it's all fucked up, and you should biomass and unsub irl if you disagree

>mjd
>grappler
>class-breaking

I thought it was pretty simple. a cruiser cannot use its better speed and sig up close against a battleship to mitigate the battleship's higher damage, because the battleship has a magic web. same with the mjd, it cancels out some of the downsides you're supposed to deal with from being in a bigger ship. I'm not very mad about mjds and grapplers though because there's a vast list of massively more broken things, and mjds are fun anyway

please write a less obtuse >response next time friend

hey guys, some other corp just declared war against my corp thats just me and some close bros, and were all pretty new. what does this enable them to do?

>>144142518

Kill you without concord punishment in highsec, other than that not much.

>>144141284
>>144141502
why not just drop them on people like black ops? or titan bridge them on top of people? is jump fatigue that bad? I realize people have been hot-dropping for a while, but if the ships are so affordable now who gives a fuck about losing one?

>>144143954
i think its kind of strange that this is allowed. i mean, it is eve online, but basically im going up to the police and saying "hey, i dont like the people across the street. because i dont like them, i now have moral authority to kill them and youre not allowed to do anything. thanks."

but my question now is, how does this mechanic play out for industrial corps that carry stuff through high sec? are there not corps dedicated to camping in high sec and just declaring war on those corps every week? also, what is the point of declaring a war mutual? isnt it just reducing their fee? seems silly.

>>144144435
Wardecc mechanics are garbage. Just disband and reform.

>>144144986

Or better yet, leave a disposable noskill alt holding the corp as CEO, so if they forget to cancel the war they have to keep paying for it.

>>144144435

(Highsec) industrial corp is an oxymoron. You don't need to be in a corp to haul shit.

>>144144424
You can do that, but again- there's a limit to how far you can drop before fatigue gets bad.
Also, those cheap carriers are probably not including fighters and shit fit (no capital mods, hull tanked memes, etc)

>>144145491

The gank t2 fit doesn't use capital mods, just sebos and drone upgrades.

>>144144435
the disband and reform is probably the easiest way of dealing with it.

As far as it making sense within the game, consider the gap between a capsuleer and a normal person. This kind of breaks down when you consider that CONCORD has all sorts of god-mode shit or whatever, but ignore that for a second. That's a deus ex machina sort of device that keeps the game from getting completely out of hand.

If two gangs that are more powerful than the police want to fight, is it easier for the police to try and stop them, or just get out of the way and let them fight it out?

Non-state actors are much, much more powerful in New Eden than they are in the real world. The Empire governments still wield tremendous power of course, but corporate, capsuleer, and terrorist/criminal interests can match or surpass them in many ways. Should the state spend its blood and treasure to stop these threatening non-state actors from fighting amongst themselves, or should it let them weaken themselves and save itself the expense?

NANOBABIES

>>144145438
unfortunately the fact it IS a video game is the biggest factor here, and cant just be overlooked from a moral standpoint. in the "real world" a man stepping on an and isnt a big deal. well, of course it is to the ant, but basically life is not fair because we dont have the capability of making it fair yet.

but this is a video game (and my point). you can make it more fair by design. now, im not trying to be a carebear or anything, and call me one if you want, but basically a corporation can just shut another one down on a whim, with nothing able to be done other than disband. at least there is that option, but this also leads into the 3rd argument... which is that, not being in one is the ultimate defense. its a little strange that that is how it works, because at this point, you are just punishing corporations for existing. corporations that cant handle themselves, that is. so the argument that would usually be used by eve players "big dog eat small dog is ok because eve online works like that!" doesnt even apply here. it has gone beyond that. it is that the police are not just turning a blind eye, but practically high fiving big dogs for eating small ones.

but anyway, this is all that this war dec has done: they paid 50mil isk so that we cant have the increased convenience of a corp hangar to trade items.

>>144147170

Thing is, there are plenty of idiots in eve who indeed do undock haulers while in a wardecced corp. If they gank one freighter full of stuff the wardec already paid itself.

So I found a C5 wormhole and it has like 15 signatures in it, are they all like this? Normally I'm lucky to find a k-space system with 4 or 5 sigs, most seem to have 1-2.

>>144149318
usually more

>>144149318

If the system has been empty for a while (plausible), yes it's normal. Occupied system not so much.

>>144149318
I have seen shattered wormholes with over 50.

5-15 is common, even for an occupied wormhole.

>>144149580
>>144149618
Neat. No structures, ships or wrecks on d-scan and it's a small system. There's some customs offices so maybe someone lives here, but I don't think they're home.

I don't think I can do these data sites because I can't fly any serious pve boats, but I found some gas.

I've been through wormholes a few times for travel purposes, never done exploration in them though.

>>144139673
no it fucking woudln't
not a proper pvp one
too many resists
too much burst tank
plus the marauder could easily kill fighters, a marauder could literally come out isk positive just by killing hordes of squadrons

>>144150335
look out for 'core' gas sites for fullerite-c320 $$$

>>144150481
Yeah the only ones I have found so far are apparently the ones with towers that will alpha my venture. Except I realized I don't have a venture in my home system and now I have to go like 30 jumps to get one if I find gas worth harvesting.

>>144150481
>not vitals
>not instrumentals
Core are pve sites m8. do you evn wh.

>>144151079
both vital and instrumental sites contain the word core in their names, and no sites that are not vitals or instrumentals contain the word core. so, it's easier to say "find core sites" than it is to say "find vital and instrumental sites".

do you even wh

>>144151079
They have core in the name as well. I figured out the difference by looking them up.

Glad I ignored the slack pings for a roam and logged on my alt. I am having much more fun.

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How long does it take to complete SoE epic arc ?
Assuming perfect skills and blingy ship(s).

>>144151079
>mfw whbabby out whbabbied by a kspace shitter

>>144152221
Around 3-6h, you just need a fast ship and enough dps to solo the 2 missions near the end (Dagan&co).

>>144152221
a few hours

>>144152221
Forever.
Expect to spend a few hours.

>>144152467
One of the missions that you get from the sister requires you to have a ship with 150m3 storage as well.
I had to go get another ship 19 jumps away to do that one.

>>144152221
It's mostly just warping around.

A confessor is probably ideal.

Any week 1 newb can do it in a tech 1 destroyer though, that's just as good.

Can I find regular pirate data/relic sites in wormholes or just these sleeper ones?

>>144154416
yes you can

>>144154416
Only in low class wormholes (C1/C2/C3)

>>144150462
>too much burst tank
>alpha
nah, its 30k alpha from 3 groups every 12 seconds

unless you had 90% resists you'd be losing upwards of half your armor every 12 seconds not including the gun damage

>isk positive with killing fighters
t1 fighters are only 18m a squad

>>144154626

Except the dps drops for every fighter killed, doesn't it?

I saved the WH location where I entered this system, but I found 4 "Exit" type wormholes. What's the difference? I looked it up and it seems like a K162 wormhole is a connection to another system that has been scanned down and warped to by another player (although they may not have entered the hole). Is that correct?

Why the difference in labeling? I found some other types of wormholes as well.

>>144154959
a little bit yes, every fighter puts out about 1200 raw damage, times 9 is about 10800

so unless you kill multiple fighters you can't really negate that dps readily especially when each one has a few thousand raw HP

remember theres also an invuln timer of 7 seconds after every fighter lost. This is to make sure people can't just wipe fighter groups off the face of the earth immediately

>>144154626
I can't check right now but they were a lot more expensive.
Something like 5mil each fighter and a marauder tracks amazingly, it will be able to wreck the squadrons every 1 min before they can chamber too F3s to kill the marauder.
Unless the carrier is on top of the marauder he can take the beating.
Of course this is all theory bullshit, a strict 1v1 is highly unlikely.

>>144155731
don't forget the support fighter squad, that thing neuts like a truck, it'll put a nasty dent in your marauder if you don't have a few batteries

>>144155483

>space
>new eden
>face of the earth

>>144155827
marauder will die for sure but it won't just be a F1 F2 F3 DEAD thing like other battleships

>>144155993

Except if you have a few alts also in carriers. Then it's volley marauder off the grid, even if there's logi. It could be a dozen marauders all max tanked and they couldn't do shit, they'd lose ships as fast as the carriers could cycle their volleys.

>>144155391
http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelist.asp

>>144156415
Yes I already found that site, all it says is "Exit WH" and clicking on the link provides no further useful info. Why classify something as an "Exit WH"? Wouldn't every single wormhole in the system be an exit? I found one that leads to lowsec, why isn't it a K162? And I found others that lead to other WH systems, but have different designations as well.

What would happen if I shot at Circadian Seekers?

>>144155391
wormholes spawn in a 'direction'. K162 means you're looking at the side it doesn't originate from, as in the other side of any of those other types. I hope you know the difference between static and roaming

>>144157479

You would receive return fire well in excess of your ability to tank it.

>>144157618
I looked up what a static is. I didn't venture further into any wormholes because I found a core gas site and had to go back to empire to fetch my stuff.

give me one reason to start playing this game

>>144159941

You want to blow spaceships up, doesn't matter how.

>>144159941
Sorry, we're full. Don't need any new people.

>>144159941
because if youre even slightly interested in playing it, the odds are high that you would like what the "end game" has to offer. are you at least familiar with the flow of mmos?

>>144157910
Not him, but don't people kill them somehow? I thought they had to die to salvage the materials for Entosis links?

Are we talking like CONCORD high damage here, or something else? Do they aggress targets for being nearby, or only return fire?

>>144160526

If you have to ask, your tank will not be sufficient. Just try on a throwaway noobship alt and see for yourself.

>>144160696
he did that already actually

optimal range isnt "within", say, 50km, right? falloff applies both falloff-50km, and 50km-falloff, right?

>>144163725
Rephrase that in a way that makes sense?

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>>144163725
no

>>144163725
like, does falloff apply to targets closer than the optimal range, or only things further than optimal? i assume its either both, or just things that are further than opt.

>>144165962
only further. what comes into play when targets get closer than your optimal is your weapons' tracking speed, because the target's radial velocity increases

>>144167371
transversal velocity*
radial velocity is how fast they are getting closer or further from you

>>144165962
Falloff only exists outside of your optimal range

@ optimal range and below, you will apply 100% damage assuming you can track the target

At optimal + falloff, you will apply ~50% damage

Beyond that, you will apply little to nothing, but between optimal + faloff you will apply ok. Halfway through optimal + faloof is something like 85% damage applied.

>>144167483
you are correct. although the overview value I was thinking of was angular velocity. but angular is just transversal/distance

>>144167371
>>144167579
thanks guys

So I just found I've been charged for 3 years of gametime (right up until my CC expired).

I played for less than 3 months.

Anyone know how to put the screws on em to get me a refund? I will chargeback and generally be a pain in the ass to them if they refuse

>>144168256
Check the transaction history on the account management page to make sure you didn't fuck up.

>>144167579
Are you sure it's a damage reduction? I know it's an overall dps reduction, but I thought it was due to chance-to-hit reduction.

>>144168531
That's how I figured it out. 3 years of transactions.

>>144168672
You didn't notice the periodic charge on your cc bills at any point in those 3 years?

>>144169091
Nah. I don't care too much I make more than that per hour when considering my investments. I'd waste more time checking my CCs.

But I'm pissed off so I'll just burn as much of theirs as possible

>>144169337
you sound completely fucking retarded

also you are well outside of your chargeback period

>>144169337
anything similar to this system will automatically recharge you every month. i dont see why id be mad with them for this mistake. i might still want my money back, especially if i can show them i wasnt actually playing, but i wouldnt be mad...

>>144169828
I mean they could easily have an opt out from recurring payments but they intentionally do it this way

>>144169978
...they do

>>144169978
>I would rather have an option to require me logging into the website and adding game time every month when I try (and fail) to log into the game and get an "out of gametime" message.

>>144169978
it exists, its just not the default
and my point was, that with pretty much any payment system for any service like this, does it this way by default. how youre old enough to have a job and shit, but not know this, is beyond me. pretty sure youre actually just lying and youre a little turd with moms credit card

>>144170425
I don't even know what this post is trying to say. I don't want to play that shitty game dude, it's autistic and felt like a second job
>>144170225
Well I don't think had it when I started my subscription
>>144170647
First time with subscription games though. I never tried an MMO after this because it was so bad.

But whatever guys just go back to your thread this isn't worth it. Sorry to even ask jeeze

>>144170770
it was there

it's called the cancel subscription button

>>144170770
>I don't even know what this post is trying to say
>>144169978
>I mean they could easily have an opt out from recurring payments

christ

how did I fall for that

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>>144170770

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>>144171929

>>144171990
https://a.pomf.cat/xvqcvk.opus

>still no arty nidhoggur

>>144171929
>>144171990
this fish looks like a penis

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>>144176389

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>2016
>not huffing gas afk with a 800 mil virtue pod

>>144176582
this fish looks like a penis

>>144176623
wait, youre the great satori sartori?

>>144176781
>the great

Pls

>>144176847
have you been playing a long time? pretty sure ive seen the name before from at least 8 years ago, but had stopped playing since then

>>144176889
That character is from 2013, I played a bit on others before that. I'm fairly sure you're mixing m up with someone, I'm not well-known by any stretch.

>>144176963
hmm... ok

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>>144171929
>>144171990
>>144176582

>>144177508
this fish looks like a penis

https://zkillboard.com/kill/54372577/

Are DG and CN invu fields still the same stats wise? Why do people keep using CN invu when they're so much more expensive on Jita market?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/54374168/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/54374165/

>archon
>no networked sensor thingy
>pod
>just mid grade ascendancy, no hardwires

>>144179231
maybe he was just taking it for a joy ride with nothing because he just bought it, and then you ruined his fucking day. great job.

>>144179620

I dindu nuffin. Just lurk the 5b+ killboard page and cherrypick the most lulzy ones.

Any updates on the goons vs. Reddit? Who do I join?

>>144180249
you join anyone you want because goons are dead
if you have an SA account consider joining Darius' new (old) goons, they sound like they're having fun

>>144183132
>SA account
how does that work now?
didnt SA turn into an SJW shithole?
how do goons still fit in if thats the case?

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>SA

>SA

>>144107894
The capsuleer's pod is Jovian tech. In order to let a human be a spaceship and so vastly superior to every other non-capsuleer he encounters, information is relayed from the pod to human senses in ways that make sense.
A large artillery turret firing nearby is presented to the capsuleer as a louder noise than the 'sound' made by the same turret firing far away.
How else could this info be delivered to the human brain? Walls of numbers?
Anyway that's the lore but it just works for the game too. Autists fretting about realism would probably vomit from the tumbling viewpoint of zero gravity movement, if they didn't fall asleep trying to line up dots and their trajectories over hundreds of kilometers at supersonic speeds.