/eog/ EVE Online General

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OFFICIAL LIST OF WORST TYPES OF PLAYERS IN EVE:

1. Nullsec botters/ratters/mission runners
2. Highsec botters/ratters/mission runners
3. Nullbabby napfest blobbers
4. Lowsec 'elite' link-alt slave set pvpers
5. 'hisec pvp'
6. Miners
7. Industrialists
8. Traders
9. Scammers

9001. Honorabru solo roamers

90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

900001. C5-6 WH pvpers

>>143914270
second

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>wh
>pvp

hey guys there is a new /eog/ channel called Avada's Tears. y'all should check it out, this channel is more of a seriousfag channel, mostly talking about WH life, posting dank frags, and much more.

come chill with Tengoo guys and a few retarded memers like maquari (he behaves in that channel tho).

any way come check it out, kick back, and chillax with some v-bros. I'll catch ya on the flip side.

>>143914345
>90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

feels good man

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>/eog/ channel

>>143914270
How dafuq do I start running incursions? Never done this before and I'm currently not in any corp atm.

>>143914917
if youre not skilled out the ass dont bother

>>143915014

wtm accepts meta 4 blaster rokhs

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>>143915014
>>143915231
pls i'm sick of being in the shadow realm

>>143915014
You don't need to be skilled out the ass

all you need is to fit meta 4 guns on some battleship, get 70%+ resists and 100k tank overall before links.

its barely 2 weeks of training in your racial battleship of choice

>>143915401

WARP TO ME

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>>143915513
Is there a basic guide i can follow just to get started? All i know is that incursions give a fuckton of money and that they're sort of raide-esque events.

>>143915778
>Is there a basic guide i can follow just to get started?
Yes, thats also on WTM's website as well.

>>143915778

>>143915523

sorry, you are too stupid for incursions

>>143915778
nigga it's like missions except enemies are bullet sponges so you need logi. All you need to do is shoot who the FC tells you to shoot.

>>143915942
>>143916006
ty

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>>143915961
u2

>Be me in my Hel
>get jammed by one EC-300 despite having a sensor booster with a total of 340 sensor strength.
>happens twice in the fight
>EC-300 does 5 sensor strength
>5/343 = 1.4% chance

>>143916319
oh I forgot about my 80% EWAR resistance

5*0.2 = 1

1/343 = 0.29% chance of jamming me and they got it fucking twice

this ewar resistance shit especially against ECM is fucking dog shit

>>143916501
Remove ECM
Rename damps to ECM
Give Caldari anti-drone ewar
EVE is fixed

>>143916501
k no one cares

>>143916636

fuck yourself

ecm is fine

>>143916636
I'd rather just chance ECM to a jamming system that reduces the number of targets you can target that isn't based on RNG

>ecm is fine

>>143916684
>RNG is fine
you're fucking retarded, you could have 1000 sensor strength and RNG will still and always fuck you in EVE

>be in my titan
>a slasher comes by and scrams me
>it turns off my MWD, Jump Drive and portal generator
>a dinky little ship barely the size of my guns
>shuts off almost all of my drive systems

So how do you see non-RNG jams?
1% chance of jamming means it jams you on first cycle and then 99 next cycles are guaranteed misses?
It would end up being exactly the same, except no miracle RNG jam fails.
You'd be soundly fucked against a prepared ecm fleet that can jam you on every cycle because they can get enough jammers to bring it up to 100%.

At least the way it is now, RNG is working in your favour.

why do stupid broke ass motherfuckers keep recommending incursions?

you nerds know that shit is poverty-tier income right?

>>143916830

yeah, rng is fine because how potent it is

>>143917298

name something better fora new player

oh wait, filtered

>>143917223
>1% chance of jamming means it jams you on first cycle and then 99 next cycles are guaranteed misses?
thats not how RNG works.

You flip two coins, each coin has a 1/2 chance of being heads

you don't always get heads then a tails or vice versa when you flip two coins, you could get heads-heads, heads-tails, or tails-heads, and if the order matters, tails-heads.

even with a 1% to jam you could get jammed on a fucking fluke and your targetting is disabled for 30 seconds

Remove ecm entirely.

>>143917435
>yeah, rng is fine because how potent it is
No thats fucking stupid, its entirely erroneous and no other EWAR relies on RNG

>>143917435
>name something better
first off incursions aren't for new players
secondly, faction warfare all day every day

or shit just buy plex and stop being a fucking pubbie trying to rat2riches

>>143917596

because other ewar isn't as potent as ecm

>>143917438
How about you don't skip the first sentence.
This was the non-RNG part. To make it a fixed jam/fail.

Which is a bad idea, as exemplified by the rest of the post.

>>143917641
>the cuck who spends irl money to literally blow it up is back

>>143917667
Thats not an argument, you're trying to force potency despite having nothing behind it.

ECM shouldn't work on RNG, its completely skillless and theres no application to it, it either jams or it doesn't Absolutely no guarantee

meanwhile with all the other EWAR, you are guaranteed a certain effect on a ship, 50% to lock range, target speed, tracking disruption etc

>>143917641

>2 weeks to get into
>not for new players

>>143917751
if i wasnt a neet i would spend money on this game all the time. its much better per hr.

>>143917820
>its completely skillless

explain how anything else in this game is different

>>143917824
>everyone can go fly a blaster rokh for wtm
>its a deal thats lasts forever! so easy!

>spending money on games
This isn't a mobile pewpew garbage.

>>143918025
There is no determinant with ECM, it jams or it doesn't jam

Every other ECM is guaranteed effect.

>>143918027
it is easy, in the time it takes you to train minimally into incursions you can do level 3's in a dinky cruiser and save money

>>143918148

yeah, and again, the difference is the potency

>>143918467
Potency isn't even an argument, you're just saying "potency" as if it means anything when it certainly doesn't

>>143918539

the whole argument around ecm is that its too fucking strong dipshit

>>143918627
No its not, it was never about strength it was about bullshit RNG

No one said anything about strength, you could have 1 jam strength and still jam a titan despite it having 500+ sensor strength regardless

>>143918757
>you could have 1 jam strength and still jam a titan despite it having 500+ sensor strength

>>143918627

god damn, looks like i'm right again

>>143918904
that has nothing to do with strength its about the fucking RNG you can't read for shit

>>143918904
>1 jam strength is STRONG
>despite it being about RNG
>no guys its all about strength it has nothing to do with RNG I swear
>RNG ewar is fine

>>143919121

explain how its not fine

explain how or why rng is "bad"

Stop replying to >>143919284
He'll just twist your arguments.

>>143919284
Holy fuck you're thicker than a bowl of oatmeal

>>143919491

i know, but i'm bored and my region is silent atm

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>>143917824
>2 weeks to get into
>no fleet will let you join because they can tell what shitty skills and fit you have

>ECM now has a 100% guaranteed jam for 30 seconds, and a module cycle time of 6 minutes
>during cycle time, your resistances and cap recharge rate are reduced by a tenth
>ECCM modules reduce jam time by a couple of seconds

Literally why isn't this implemented yet

>>143920503

jesus, nobody would ever use them

>not linking the old thread
why even bother making your shit thread

http://pastebin.com/M396ND3F

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why aren't you skilled into your alliance's doctrines anon?

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>>143915778
fuck off trying to get spoon fed

>doctrines

>>143921054
7/10

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>mfw filtering the tripniggers

>>143921054
the fuck is this garbage

>>143921136
But I'am skilled into everything
140mil sp boi

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>>143921506
>using filters
what the fuck have you niggers done to my 4chan in the last decade

in my day we lived with tripfaggotry like the trap-fapping cuckbois we were

>>143921852
nigga I can see your 4chan join date, it's 3/21/2016

>>143883425
Reduce the size of FW zones

Have only a single constellation be contested every week. Players are pressed down to this zone, meaning nowhere to hide and plenty of targets. Both sides of the conflict have a staging system where they have a station with clone services.


Ensure more even fights

FW Plexes now have both a size limit and a numerical limit of ships. There exist solo plexes, small group plexes, and fleet plexes. Another change to plexes is that capturing a plex requires the player to be within a short distance and hits all players with an infini-point like a HIC. The plex also prevents targets from D-scanning in or out, so players never know what or who they'll be engaging.


Reduce refit/return time

Home stations within contested stations have a new service that allows players to purchase modular, pre-fit ships. The fitted modules can be chosen through a menu, and once the ship is purchased, the fittings cannot be removed without being destroyed, like rigs.

Ships can either be purchased with raw ISK or loyalty points. By doing faction warfare, most players, even ones on the losing side, should make enough loyalty points to cover replacement ships for rapid engagements.


Inclusion for non-combat players

In addition to rapid combat deployment, more industrial minded players also have an avanue to help their compatriots. New logistic corps exist and give players objectives to deliver goods to the current contested home station of their faction. For every item delivery order completed, the price of replacement ships for the faction's milita is reduced. Thus, guarding the logistic supply chain throughout the contested constellation's various zones becomes an activity of itself, with larger fleets hoping to guard valuable industrial vessels through space.

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>>143921954
>join date
good one anon but i'm too salty an oldfag for that

>>143922030
In addition, high density asteroid fields regularly spawn within the constellation, guarded with a light faction navy presence, hostile to all players not in the militia or logistics corp which denies access to non-militia miners. The asteroids that spawn are extra dense versions of themselves (Resulting in faster overall mining) and include all types needed to build the modules and ships requested for drop off. In this way, the contested zone of FW becomes a complete ecosystem where minerals are mined and ships are built and destroyed, like a super compact version of New Eden.

Remove FW. Most people in the zone don't even belong to militia and are just there for fights.

being able to join pirate factions when????

how much better do factional warfare missions pay out?

>>143921054
Gud, but why make mandelore so abusive?

Further request for a Timm3h/Mussah fanfic. Str8/Gay/Trap w/e.

Keep it up boyo

>>143922771
It's the only reason to be in FW. It pays a lot.

>>143922742
>be in Dust beta
>Character still in Serpentis

>>143922996
Its just because Reyni is a slut and actually loves it, in the end she happily accepts her fate

>>143923112
It's mostly LP though.

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>>143922771
200-600 mil/hr, depending on the faction tier and how efficient you are at running them

>>143923632
and what are your odds of getting creamed by enemies?

remember to never trust triofaggots, they lie and lie.
and never quote them

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>>143923812
0-5%, as long as you follow basic precautions and don't auto-warp to a gate at 0 the moment you pop into a system full of flashies like a moron

these days you probably have more to fear from the rats

>>143924069
flashies? sorry, brand new

http://www.strawpoll.me/10356094
You decide

>

>>143922030

A unique utility highslot module/weapon for Assault Frigates, along with a re-balance pass, that would give them some kind of unique role not found on any other ship in the game.

>le unique
>we need even more gamebreaking special snowflakes

mining is the backbone of eve economy i am insuly by fact that the player killers in this game would even dare to try to compare their unserious proffesion to the truly thinking mans life dream eve is the has beeen in the forefront of advanced simulation of market data and thanks to countles studies we all know that eve is the best game for this i think ccp should just remove shooting players all together it adds nothing to the game and just generates lost minerals instead we should all just keep building ships forver and make vast loads of them in order to have them this is what i did when i was in all-out but since they stole my medium gun machariel i realize they trylu do not share my dream thus i am also i think that we need to remove system security since concord do not respond in null when my svipul gets ganked by the noctis player using such a ship for a dirty job is truly not pallatable and i thunk u all should reconsider your careeers in eve but that is just my tought even thought i am right so just so you know so stop arguing and lets discuss the best mining setups for players with low amounts of isk okay guys but do not forget that i need some so please send in case i need it but i can t afford to pay back since i am poor and lose svipul in lowsec also do not ever stop mining my friends mining is truly the best i really enjoy it i think ccp needs to buff it rhough since i only earn 2 million isk per cycle can anyone help i think since it is clearly bugged i do not know what to do and i am kind of tired so do not come of as snarky or i will report u to the mdoeratos and they will ban you because i know them irl and know they hate you all sicne they are truly secret miners as well but i think yoi call know this since i essentially control this baord and do not ever forget this just so you know but anyway lets also kill white stag since they are so bad at the game i truly wish goosn would come back so i could use my main to farm guirsatas pirates in deklin.

>>143925463
They need something, faction frigates just out do them in almost every way, they dont have a use at the moment.

>>143925463
are you looking for the wow general?

r8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1KAwWCRF8s

>>143925771
so just fix their stats so they aren't shitty. I don't want to see more meme modules or retarded bullshit immunities

alternatively just pretend they don't exist, and put a big warning for new players saying they're garbage and not to train for them. AFs being useless doesn't do much bad for the game. nerfing the overpowered stuff would be way more beneficial and easy

>>143925962
no but you are

>>143925771
they sure do have a use, T1 logi, T1 ewar and hell T1 dps frigs as a whole have a use purely because they're miles cheaper

>>143925994
Not arguing, they just need to be buffed in some way or given a useful role

>>143926274
its more faction frigs that outclass them often for cheaper

>>143925994
>nerfing the overpowered stuff would be way more beneficial and easy
No it wouldn't

The AF's haven't been touched in 6 years, the rest of the game moved forward and they stayed behind

repurposing and rebalancing AF's is miles easier than nerfing literally everything else. the AF's are such fucking garbage no one uses them, they have wonky stats and bonuses, hell the Wolf is fucking garbage and so is the jaguar. The only remotely useful ones are the harpy and ishkur and maybe the vengeance but the others are extremely lack luster. The Enyo despite all its tank has no fucking cap and is SLOW as garbage

>>143926471
>t1 frig
>a few hundred thousand isk plus a few million in fitting
>Faction frig
>17m for the hull, few million in fitting

>>143926501
AFs being effectively not in the game is not a massive problem. all it means is you can't fly AFs, and to be honest, you probably want them to make some kind of cancerous tanky all-T2 frigate gang with logistics frigates and be gay as fuck, so no big loss

svipuls killing everything all the time is a massive problem, because it prevents people from using most small ships

>>143926642
yeah then you have the AF thats 40m for the hull and worse than most faction frigs

>>143926771
uh, sorry 20m*

>>143926135
what

>>143926769
No, AF's need to be like heavy assault cruisers are to cruisers

they need to niche while not having stupid fucked up stats

They need to not be so fucking massive, they have this weird ass huge mass for no reason

they need to not have such fucking shit capacitor, the ishkur has less cap and half as much cap regen as a fucking tristan. Why? where does that make sense?

They need to not have such awful agility and speed, where does it make sense that it takes 5 seconds for a retribution to align to anything? thats before putting on a 400 plate.

>>143926771
AF's are 20-22m, same as T2 ewar frigs

>>143927010
what? heavy assault cruisers are not niche at all though. they're just an all-around improvement faggotry version of T1

>>143927109
No they aren't

the Sacrilege is a slow missile maller that can project missils up to 40km

the zealot is even slower than the regular

the omen as a long range beam platform

the vagabond is a fast and heavy shield tank that the fucking stabber or rupture wish it was

the muninn is a similar ship to a zealot as a long range artillery platform while not being fast either.

The Eagle is SUPER long range railguns fills the niche of a heavy railgun platofmr

the Cerb is a fast kiter that excels at super long range missiles.

Ishtar is a heavy drone specialist and the deimos is a hyper tanky brawler

Friendly reminder that the cost of losing a T2-fit platinum insured carrier is 137 million ISK at Jita prices right now

So is Reyni Mandelore's slut then?

>>143927437
ok so some of them are probably slightly slower, fine

they're still generalist combat ships though, and none of their T1 versions are better than them in any situation. having a load of range bonuses doesn't mean you're somehow worse when you aren't doing massive sniping. you can load antimatter in an eagle

do you have to enlist in fw to do fw missions? i would assume so but i dunno
also do you get paid more for doing missions in contested/unowned space or is there no mechanic like that

>>143925364
I think they're fine as high speed, low sig tough frigates. It's just right now they're not as great at avoiding larger fire as they should be and smaller ships are more popular than large for PvP anyway, meaning that they don't really get to take advantage of their bonus.

The biggest buff to AF would be larger ships being more viable in small gangs, or perhaps a reduction to drone damage taken.

>>143927874
a long range eagle will never engage at less than 40km because railgun tracking

>>143927921

Stasis grapplers killed any hope of assault frigates ever being worth anything

>>143927921
>assault frigates
>high speed

>>143927967
that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. do you think rail moa fleets have to use iron all the time and stay really really far away from everything

do you think battleships just self-destruct all the time because nobody can hit anything

tracking is pretty much a joke in eve, literally just get some tps and webs, wow, now you can hit anything with anything

>>143925994
>Want to do PvE in the game when starting with lowsec FW
>See stealth bombers and train for those immediately without any clue what they do besides launch bombs and hit with missiles.
>After finishing, read the fine print and learn bombs can't be used outside of null, their high damage missiles are only useful against battlecruisers and above, and have literally zero use for what I want to do with them.

I wish I had known someone to give me a warning about them or something, wasted several weeks when I could've got T2 turrets or something else instead.

>>143928149
>orbit the eagle at 10km
>wow it can't hit you worth shit

>>143928197
even /eog/ will tell you not to train stealth bombers

>>143928197

ironically, friend, FW missions are exactly what stealth bombers are most used for

you go in and kill the battleship mobs for the sweet sweet isk then rinse repeat

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>>143922996
mite b cool

>>143928301
i mean, we tell our new players to train for them pretty fast; they are excellent in fleets for certain things

>>143928301
It's been six years, I still haven't flown a Manticore like I've always wanted to.

>>143928446
permahighsec people with no friends though. everyone will tell you bombers are for gangs, they aren't ebin cloaky solo ninja I assassinate u

>>143928582
>they aren't ebin cloaky solo ninja I assassinate u

But they are good for that if you're not an idiot, which I'm guessing you are

http://www.strawpoll.me/10356308

>>143928818
I'm a lot smarter than you

>>143928818
Maybe against miners and haulers in wormhole space, but against targets with two brain cells to rub together, bombers aren't really worth shit solo

>not flying blaster eagle

>>143928897
>passive voice
>passive voice
>passive voice
>active voice

>>143928897
>Timm3h pulls a tsundere Mussah after the big heist
>Invites Mussah to move in with him
>Gentle femdom Mussah
>They raise all-out together as husband/wife

Also Mussah is a hermaphrodite with functioning benis and vagoo.

>

>>143928897
>Timm3h lovingly convinces Mussah to live his life as a woman in order to make the alliance real
>Mussah gets gently dominated by Timm3h
>They end up raising white stag together

LOL GUYS WE POSTED EACH OTHERS NAMES AGAIN ROFL

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>>143928393

didn't CCP add a fuckton of annoying frigates to FW missions recently ?

>>143930668
they added those 2 years ago to "fix" farmers

except there are even more farmers now

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>>143930668
yes, but amarr and gallente(?) missions are still good-to-go

>amarr

>mfw i realize there is literally nothing keeping me from writing my own fanfiction

>not flying burners for thukker

>thukker

>>143932069
what? those factions have easier missions?

>tfw no fanfic about how reyni get's turned into a girl and slut

so what does ccp plan on doing about the permanent cloak alts

>>143933687
nothing, everyone thinks it's fine

>>143933771

well, i mean its obvious they are wrong

so how do we fix it

>>143933994
i think it's obvious they are right senpai

>>143933994
remove local

>>143934168
no

>>143934092

>majority
>right

my fucking sides

>>143932771
Minmatar and caldari rats shoot missiles. It will fuck a bomber.

>>143934290
yes

>>143934290
Highsec should have current local. Concord carefully keeps track of every ship in space they control and puts the list of local pilots in an easily accessible place.
Lowsec should have delayed local, where someone sitting system having come in through a gate is put into local after 5 minutes until they leave. Those entering a lowsec system through a wormhole are not displayed on local until they use a gate and sit in a system for 5 minutes.
Nullsec should have upgradeable sov structures that create a delayed or highsec-like local, depending on how much you want to invest into the system.

This honestly should have been done a decade ago, but all of K-space is for carebears with local in it's current implementation and it needs to be adjusted

>>143935270
that seems pretty cool at first glance, but i haven't thought through the implications yet. presumably wormhole would just have no ability to be upgraded from their current behavior?

>>143935270
>but all of K-space is for carebears

lol

There is literally no reason for delayed/removed local in k-space.

>>143936040
except there is tho

>>143936145
There isn't. "omg people can see me" isn't argument.

>>143936235
it is tho

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>everyone playing something that would benefit from hiding wants it removed
>everyone playing something that benefits from knowing someone dangerous in a system wants it to stay

hmm, the choices

>omg people can see me coming it means there arent any fights
>kb is full of kills
wew lad

>>143936452
miner detected

>>143936280
>>143936610

you must be the ecm idiot from earlier

>wanting more cancerous shit space like wormholes because 'it makes sense'

>>143936317

the only people who want it gone are the ones who are terrified of someone shooting back

are you two scared of more risk? Fucking pig disgusting carebears

>>143936810
the only ones who want it to stay are the ones who are terrified of someone shooting them

see i can do this too

They should remove gate guns from all lowsec gates that don't connect to a highsec system

>Newfag
>Wanted to try some PvP
>Went to low sec
>Lost 3 frigates to gate guns before I figured out that I can't speed tank them no matter how fast I'm going

>>143936886
except that makes no sense, you shit-for-brains.

>>143936810
ill just be honest for a moment. right now im just a high sec mission runner that doesnt know much about eve, so i dont really know how things need to be balanced out in unconcord. but i do love pvp, and ill go out there one of these days.

it allows me to give an unbiased view, but i dont know enough to say anything specific. speaking generally, i always thought the idea of local chats in a big game where location and knowlege matters a lot would be a bad idea in the first place. im surprised they actually didnt think about this from the beginning and work things around that.

>>143936952
>game that favores attackers massively
>defenders' only tool is local and dscan (except in whs)
>wow why would anyone want to defend themselves

>>143936886

how does that make any sense

if they see you in local, they are going to come for you

>>143937071
>but i do love pvp, and ill go out there one of these days.
>right now im just a high sec mission runner

Stop. You're falling into the biggest trap in EVE. New players think "I haven't got [STUFF] so I'll stay in Highsec until I get it".
Then when they have [STUFF] they think "Well I don't want to lose my [STUFF]" so they never leave High sec.

You want to get into Lowsec? Pick a system in a space you like, take a few T1 frigates and Cruisers there, and learn to live without all the high sec conveniences.

>>143937232
the game doesn't favor attackers. At the end of the day you are a miner who knows jack shit about how the game works, you have no position to talk. I suggest you be quiet while adults are speaking, son.

>>143937071

basically if you want to have enjoyable pvp, avoid lowsec like the plague and only do small gang in null

>>143937351
actually im aware of it. i just came back from quitting in 2009 because i got two friends to (hopefully) play with. im waiting for them to get some basic skills and then off we go

>>143937495
oh, thanks for the advice. could you explain why? just curious. lowsec much more populated?

>>143937472

see, this guy is butthurt that he isn't entitled to kill you freely so he rages out

>>143937643
>gets put in his place
>waaaah y u so salty bro

>>143937472
>the game doesn't favor attackers
lol.

>At the end of the day you are a miner who knows jack shit about how the game works, you have no position to talk. I suggest you be quiet while adults are speaking, son
epic argument m8 you sure showed me!

>>143936952
>>143937339
let's see if i can clear this up

the original here >>143936317 said a thing.

this guy >>143936810 agrees with the post he quoted, but he's rephrasing half of it to make the wormbears sound like shit eating cowards who are afraid of pvp

I, here, >>143936886 also agree with the orginal post, but I am rephrasing the other half of it to make the nullbears sound like shit eating cowards who are afraid of pvp. The point of my post is to highlight the purpose of the guy who hates wormholers.

to rephrase my post with less pronouns, the people who want local to stay in null are the carebears who want to be able to pos up when neuts enter system.

>to rephrase my post with less pronouns, the people who want local to stay in null are the carebears who want to be able to pos up when neuts enter system.

this is why local needs to be gone

>>143937815
>the people who want local to stay in null are the carebears who want to be able to pos up when neuts enter system
Nigga pls. Not everybody is out there looking for fights. If I'm not in a combat shit or in a ratting ship it's obvious I want to hide.

cant miners just spam dscan anyway?

>>143938006
>Not everybody is out there looking for fights.

in this game you are either the prey or the predator, there is no "PvE only server".

Don't want to get killed? go play elite dangerous

>>143938006
I should also add that people are dying anyway, local or not. So idk what are you complaining about.

>>143938006
>If I'm not in a combat shit
If you're not in a combat ship you should be fit so that you can get away.

>or in a ratting ship
Are you for fucking real?

>>143938006
of course. no one said otherwise.

i think the purpose underlying the idea of more limited intel from local is to force people to be more prepared for hostile action. for instance, both hisec and lowsec incursions are run - but the fits are very different, because in losec the fleets know they have to be prepared to defend themselves. Your ratting fit would change if you were in an alliance without the infrastructure to put up instant local structures.

>>143938068
you are correct, and that is why wormholers are so scornful of null players. "why do they cry so hard at the thought of removing local? we've been getting along fine with only dscan" they say.

it's not a complete equivalence, though, because in null the map topology never changes.

>>143938130
Just like you are "entitled" to kill me. I'm entitled to hide.

>>143938192
warpstabs are shit and instalockers exist
>ratting ship
Wow people do pve in this game. What a surprise.

>>143938250
Lowsec incursion are a fleet op. entirely differrent from solo pve. And if I wanted to fit a ship for both it's often some hybrid that won't work for any situation.

Refitting in depot might work, but the attacker can scan your depot first and wait for you there or if you deply it in site you might not have enough time to refit before they arrive.

>>143932771
minmatar all they do is weapon tracking disrupt

you won't be able to do L4s on a solo bonber anymore tho, they recently added some new frigs that insta web with very long range

>>143938485
if you are not already aligned while you are jewing it up you deserve to die. Don't use local as a crutch to be safe.

>>143938485
im sorry but, i was on your side in the beginning, and now im on their side. dscan exists.

however, maybe dscan should have the option to auto update. i feel like this is something that was probably discussed before and rejected. maybe make it a module or something?

>>143938485
bruh
I'm not saying the new ratting fits you would probably use if there were no local in null would be the same isk/hr as before. That would be silly. But I do know that i'm perfectly willing to risk two 600m ratting ships in wormholes with no local.

>inb4 crit holes
nah, three open connections are fine. dscan, align, and mjd are all great tools.

>>143938729
>aligned
Not every ship sits in once place aligned.

>>143938786
Recons and cloaks exists. also a lot of systems are bigger than dscan range.

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>>143938818
>dscan, align, and mjd are all great tools.

>Started playing 2 days ago
>Trying to make some cash, someone suggest wormhole Data/Relic sites
>Get in
>Scan some down
>As I'm opening the can some asshole in an invisible ship appears next to me and kills my Heron then pods me

At least I was only a 600k isk kill lol

another thing to consider when reading >>143938485's arguments (why the fuck are you making me mention these things in your defense?) is that blops are thing that ratters in kspace have to worry about that people in wormholes don't.

>>143938932
fuckin
fuckin
>>143938818
>>143938818
>>143938818
>>143938818
>>143938818
>>143938818

>>143938932
>Not every ship sits in once place aligned.

no shit Sherlock

you are either an extremely new player, in which case, why are you arguing with vets about shit they know more than you about?

Or you must be legitimately retarded.

>>143938932
>Recons and cloaks exists. also a lot of systems are bigger than dscan range.
i know that. but a cloak ships purpose is to not be seen. if an unseen is known about, hes not very unseen. if cloak ships are too overpowered after local is removed, you would then nerf cloaking.

about dscan range, perhaps we can simply buff it, or make it a module that will buff it, or make it a module completely that will always have a very strong scan range, and even update automatically. theres tons of things we can do.

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>>143935270
>all of K-space is for carebears
>implying w-space isn't also filled with carebears

>>143939029
people need to scan down explo sites, that's one more barrier inbetween you and the hunter. Also most ships have a 6 second locking reactivation after decloaking, which if you fit your explorer right, should be able to warp out as soon as he decloacks.

so really, it's on you for not playing attention.

>>143939029
there are many things that you could probably have done to avoid that death which you probably didn't do because you are a new player and haven't learned them yet.

>were there force fields in that wormhole?
>if there were, did they belong to hunting corps or carebear corps? (hard to determine without a covops cloak, admittedly)
>did the wormhole have a hisec static?
>how far from a tradehub was the entrance to the chain?
>how far into the chain were you?
>were there any missing cans in the site?
etc

I'm not saying you're bad, just that there are things that can be learned and performed to help reduce risks besides relying on local (since you posted in a comment chain discussing local)

>>143939454
It was an empty C3 with a C4 static according to Dotlan. Admittedly I never thought about how far from a hub it was, I found a hole to the C4 3 jumps out of Amarr then scanned down the C3 connection.

Was a decent learning experience anyway.

>>143939745
just dont take it hard, realize you made mistakes, become ever the wiser and youre on the way to becoming one of the better personality eve players

>>143939745
sounds like you're doing some right things m8 keep it up

>>143939141
I mean that ships move/orbit around the site.

>>143939918
you know that, the guy you're responding to knows that, i know that

what none of us know is how that supports your argument.

maybe your point is that some ratting ships, like the classical newbro null ratting oversized prop VNI, can't sit in place aligned and ready to warp out if there were no local and suddenly a stratios decloaks on grid with them.

>>143937232
>wah we ONLY have dscan and local, local being 100% perfect intel of who is in the system, and in neighboring systems, with no delay, at all times

You're just a retard if you're going to afk mine somewhere in low/high, or do it solo. Intel channels exist and are pure cancer. This is less about dunking miners and more about your small gang being constantly monitored and eventually sat on by nullblob babies

>>143938006
As someone else already said, there is no PVE server. If you are undocking, you are entering into PVP space, and should prepare accordingly. I rat and mine just fine in wormhole space because I can use dscan, and can get better intel than dscan if I put in effort or get more friends involved and in the space we want scouted.

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>mfw omen
>mfw beams
>mfw top damage

all i know is that there is a ton of reasons to get rid of local, and the only real drawback, and emphasis on the word real, is that cloak ships might be too easy to get away with shit in after that. but putting local back just for that would be silly.

instead it would be time to just nerf cloaking, like i said was a possibility before. there are many ways to do this.

>>143939192
or you can get friends who can scout gates for you, you already get the benefit of gates not being different every day

>>143941232
i mean, i agree, but you have to rule out friends here. this guy that loves local obviously has no friends, or this is exactly what he would have done before.

maybe he should actually use local for once to find some before we take it away.

>>143941105
>top damage
link?

>>143941439
There is literally no reason to join corps or having friends in this game.

>>143941439
Maybe he doesn't realize just how awful local is because he has no friends, so he doesn't know that intel channels exist to notify carebears when someone with a green KB jumps into a pipe 20 jumps from them

>revealing your omen on /eog/

>hurr durr he doesn't want to get killed by our elite gang for no reason
>must be carebear!!

>>143941758
you have dscan

>>143941758
>Take your small gang out for a roam in null
>Youre on intel channels the second youre in sov space
>40 f1 babbies show up with their falcon alts on the outgate 3 systems in

Sorry carebears, this isn't about you. I know you guys think EVE revolves around those ratting and mining, but it really doesn't

>>143942294
Don't go in sov space?

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>>143942294
>not dictating engagements
>being bad enough to get caught
>not scouting
>losing to nullbabbs

>>143942768
Who said losing? Who said anything about not scouting? You can send a scout into a system and choose not to engage the ecm using blob, it's still fucking annoying

>>143942593
what if all space was sovereign?

>>143943129
What?

>>143944807
what if all sovereign was space?

>>143944807
what if there was no space that was not sovereign?

i'm entitled to free kills and you can't stop me

>>143941594
at least he came in and admitted it

what if the sovereign wasn't space??

>tfw too autistic to find a player corp

isn't this supposed to be the autists mmo of choice? im in good company right

>>143914270

>no shitposting edition

About that...

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>haven't visited 4chan in months because it's cancer
>randomly decide to check out /eog/ because bored
>literally every post is cancer
>peace out

>>143949676
upwoted :)

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>>143949676
>ironically shitposting

>>143949676
see ya kip

>>143928056

Maybe AFs could get web resistance and -99% fitting bonus to grapplers.

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>>143928056
>boo hoo my AF can't solo a battleship

>>143950204
That'd be fuckin neato

All ships should be able to solo all other ships.
Prove me wrong.

>>143950437
frigate vs titan

>>143925490

>wall of text

TL;DR

>>143950481
I dont see the ailment. Whats the matter, not skilled enough?

>>143949015
the problem with joining a player corp is that you, then, become responsible for making content for other people. It's a huge pain in the ass. I'd rather solo and just do whatever the fuck I want without having to also please some jackass who can't find his own content.

like this if you agree.

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>>143950734
>a frigate destroying a titan makes perfect sense
>an x-wing destroying the death star makes perfect sense
>shitposting

X-wing isn't a frigate you faggot.

the X wing is a fucking hobgoblin. honestly go fuck your star trek lore and shove it up your ass, I have no idea how autistics fucking nerds can still love a movie that was done with such shitty effects and look at a fucking creature like chewbaka and still take it seriously

>>143950927
i dont watch star wars
anyway, i still dont see the problem. i should be able to attach a fork to the front of my pod, and if i ram the titan enough, it will DIE!!!! ITS NOT FAIR WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>star trek lore

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>>143950809

>>143951434
>"i dont watch star wars"
>knows what x-wing and death star is
you're slipping up there anon.

>>143949015

>too autistic for eve

i have good news for you...

>>143951587
This user belongs to pandemic horde.

>>143955095
prove it!!

>>143952901
i mean i know those things at least. all that shit gets forced down your throat. c3po, r2d2, luke skywalker darth vader, fuck it pisses me off that i can name so many characters

no u

kitsune fit?

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Eog has turned into an autistic cesspit and white stag is to blame. This thread is honestly disgusting. How fucking deprived do you need to be to write fanfic about other people avatars.

White stag pls go

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>>143956092
yeah dude
fit right on my DICK

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>>143956836
We must bring back the one who was promised to purge eog

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>>143956836
you honestly think it was one of our members that started the reyni meme?

honest assessment, based on when it started, i'm pretty sure it was started by an ex-member who was really salty at reyni at the time and then a bunch of autists kept it going

all this has happened before and will happen again

https://youtu.be/6bOy3RNyWME

>>143958092
'Wasn't a member who started it'
>ex member
>current members taking it to extreme

Honestly just disband your shitshow of an alliance.

>>143958092
Wyd admitted it was him who started it.

>>143958092
shard isn't a member of the alliance

why is this general so upset all the time

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>>143959102

>>143959102
because 95% of the people that post here are hisec retards that are poor as fuck and spend 90% of their eve time farming their plex

>>143959102
Because for any normal person this is like looking into the retard class at highschool. the only decent place to talk about eve is reddit.

>>143959417
>grr goons
>hugbox
>suck PLs dick again it cant go wrong again

summed up reddit discussion for you

>>143959527
Beats white stag gay fanfic

>>143959379
lolwut
>>143959417
>reddit
>decent
"omg look at me i'm popular" pls upvote my twitch so ebin

>>143959270
put a vexor on that

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How do you make pic related? Could someone input last few threads?

>>143960291
someone should make an image version. i want a massive ass collage with will smith and wolf girl + fish in the center

>>143960567
Quit forcing your 2 days old meme.
>haha le wolf gurl xD

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>>143960717

>>143951330

More like a fighter. X-wings can launch proton torpedoes that deal massive damage to capital ships, hobgoblins just nibble away with their dinky thermal damage blasters.

>>143957237

<- /a/ is that way

>>143959637
Wat

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>>143961107

Summerfags are here, I see.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/54317568/

the fish looks like a penis

>>143962183
Everything looks like a penis when you're a fggot

>>143958785
>>143958992
literally team pizza ruining the general
white stag did nothing wrong

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>people think that White Stag is behind the smutposting

Do you seriously think that people could write gay fanfics about people they hang out with all day every day, and manage to talk to them normally ever again?

>>143967105
yes

>>143967105
most certainly
you really think people couldnt do something simple like that?

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>>143967232
>>143967271
I choose to believe that I do not share comms with people who do it. Call me idealistic.

>>143967368
you have no idea

>>143962054
what the fuck

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Who else here actually prefers high sec to nullsec? Nullsec is boring af

>>143971278
There isn't much wrong with hisec by itself. Its main problems (overpopulation, badly resolved PVP mechanics) don't prevent it from functioning, and the sheer amount of player interaction possible can make up for the low value of PVE and skewed PVP prospects.


I said this before on other topics, but I'll repeat it - the EVE universe would benefit for having slightly fewer systems, namely WH and null. There are too many 100% dead systems at any time.

>>143972195
Universe is big. You can't have big traffic areas everywhere. And some people prefer low populated parts of space.

>>143972709
>You can't have big traffic areas everywhere

You don't need to, and I didn't said it needed to be reduced 70%.

But hundreds of dead and not-worth-farming wormholes, and hundreds of dead NS systems that are not even on travel routes don't help the game. In fact, they create a buffer wall of nofun which stops players from getting to the stuff they want. Just a 10% cutdown of NS systems I reckon.

As for people preferring low populated areas of space, that's ok, and they should exist, but not in the present quantities. It makes the game feel deader than it is.

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>>143971278
Joining a Nullsec alliance is the worst decision I took. I was inspired by /eog/ and also forums, people bragging how great null is, how fun it is, how amazing it is and such things. I decided to spend some time in high sec first til I got some 3 million SP to stabilize. After that I found a corp, which was a part of an alliance and we went to Amarr nullsec. And dear God...

It is so boring, first off it's sov space and that's cool but most of the PvP (when not in fleets) consists of warp bubble gate camping with alts. Aside from that the usual shit but more boring because it's empty as fuck. For weeks I mined, explored the system with 1 gank attempt on me.

Most people are also on TS but not even in game, because it's that boring.

Fuck nullsec.

>>143973103
There wouldn't be so many dead Null systems if High->Null Wormholes weren't so fucking rare. Increase the rate of high-null Wormhole connections and I guarantee people would start living in those dead areas.

>>143959379
And that is bad how?
Or are you one of those "denying content" guys?

I want to pvp, but: (a) I'm too autistic to interact with other people, (b) I'm too poor to risk losing ships, (c) I'm too shy to leave my comfort zone.
Maybe after I stockpiled enough plexes, and someone forcefully recruited me into their corp and brutally pushed me into a roam... one can dream.

>>143976546
Just do solo frig pvp desu, you can afford a merlin or something.

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>>143976546
>And that is bad how?
>how is it bad that people are indulging in the worst-designed aspects of the game and missing out on the best

>>143976614
I can afford its ISK price - yes. But not time.
Time spent pvping is time wasted not grinding.

I can only play so much...

>>143976970
I think you need to grind better (i.e. more money per time) in that case. What do you for money?

Two more things:

- if you opt for frigate PVP in lowsec (where you are not likely to get podded and incur additional losses), most of the time you can loot enough wrecks to pay back for your loss and a little bit over it (if you fly t1 frigs), especially coupled with insurance. Your net loss per like 5 frigates will be only a couple of million or less, depending on how much loot you extract and how expensive your fits are.

- Join a corp. Even if they don't have SRP, flying with competent people can make your losses hurt less and happen less often.

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>>143976546
JOIN
ALL
OUT
you will learn how to make mad shekels
and also how to pvp in cheap ships
the combination is great TO BE HONEST

fuck this new camera system. i hate that scrolling once with mousewheel does more like 8 fucking zoom levels

why is it so fucking difficult to leave old options for people who prefer it

And you will learn the feeling of Reyni's tight boipussy squeezing your dick

>>143976827
>best
For you, not for them.

>>143977326
>why is it so fucking difficult to leave old options for people who prefer it

But they did, just go to general settings and disable the new shit

>>143977401
There is no subjectivity there. PVE, and especially hisec PVE, is dogshit and ill-designed. It's repetitive, encourages low interaction, and lacks any innate incentive to do it (people do it for other things, i.e. plex or money to pvp or whatever, which can be acquired by other means like the market or better PVE).

There are better games to play out there if you just want to PVE and you are simply wasting your time. To each their own, people can do what they like, but I will not idly pretend that they are not missing out.

>>143977630
the option isn't there anymore. it's now forced and anyone who prefers better camera controls is clearly wrong :(

>>143976827
Exactly. So we're not stealing your superior content.
It's a competitive game after all, right?

>>143977182
>What do you for money?
L4s

>more money per time
I'm trying, but at this point maxing all skills/fits would probably end up speeding up ISK acquisition no more than 10%.

>you can loot enough wrecks to pay back for your loss and a little bit over it
I know, but it's not enough to pay for loss + pay for PLEX.

>>143977184
>corps
N-no, thanks.

>>143977726
Are you sure? Guess it's time to write CCP a really angry email.

>>143977882
used to be under "experimental features" as a tick box to 'try the new camera', leave it blank and the camera would be the NORMAL ARYAN CAMERA but now that's gone and the camera is this disgusting floaty super-zoom-scroll jewfest

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>>143977861
>So we're not stealing your superior content.

M8, the content is you. And others. And I don't even mean hostile PVP necessarily. Interacting with players is generally better content than pure solo PVE, regardless what it's like.

>Regading missions

You are being D E L U S I O N A L or L Y I N G if you're going to state that L4s can't make you extra 10 mil per month for PVP.

You also need to consider how you're doing your missions if you're struggling with PLEX money with no ship losses. Start doing Team Anomic missions, and try getting into other burners as well if you have the SP required. They're way better than regular L4s and take a fraction of time.

>>143977990
Pic related

>he actually worries about 'content'
>he doesn't let the content come to him
>in the meantime he doesn't fuck his catgirl jita whore

eh??? nani?

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>>143978429
>Interacting with players is generally better content than pure solo PVE
Lmao, no. People are shit as much as in real life. Pure garbage, not worth it.

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>>143978754
>People are shit as much as in real life. Pure garbage, not worth it.

There are several branches of content specifically tailored to people who think like this. If you weren't a stuck-up carebear baby you would've tried them already.

>>143978754
People generally are even more shitty in EVE. Because there is close to zero punishment for being a supreme cunt.

>>143979031
I'm too autistic to scam. I play EVE not because some "content," I play EVE because it's a space nerd game. Literally the only reason I play it and wanted to play it ever since I first heard about EVE like 10y ago.

And fuck the people. Literally gas them.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/54254604/
Read the comments. This is the faggotry that makes the retards even more worthless than they are.

>>143979447
>wah wah the community is really bad because my only semblance of interaction with it is reading comments on zkill

>>143978429
Ofc I can make extra 10 mil for pvp or whatever.
But setting up for pvp takes more than I usually play every day.
So it'd take like two full days to get into pvp-ready and to return back to missioning.
That's a lot of time wasted on a tight schedule already, and if you add time actually spent pvping - it's just not worth.
And there are other issues involved, like SP lost due to jump clone implants, fishing for wardecs, making enemies etc, etc.
It's just not worth it. I'm already hated as is for being a carebear, the last thing I need is vengeful autists on top of that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure pvp is fun, I just don't play EVE enough to be able to grind up for PLEX *and* have time left to pvp every month.
So I do only one of those - the former.

>>143979791
>But setting up for pvp takes more than I usually play every day.

Save fit>import fit in game>Buy all in trade hub>fit all

Bam, done in 2 minutes, now you only need 5 minutes to get to nearest FW space, and 10-30 minutes to find at least one fight.

>SP lost due to jump clone implants
>SP lost

Oh no, you will get Large Autocannon Specialization V 3 hours later than otherwise.

>fishing for wardecs
>making enemies

Lmbo you think you can force a wardec or make enemies with your meek and ignorable personality.


You know, I'd have no qualms about just leaving people like you be, provided you were less wrong about anything.

But you have such dire misconceptions regarding PVP. It's like old virgins and sex. They go so long without it that they start making up imaginary ideas about how it really is, without it matching the real deal.

>>143980165
>provided you were less wrong about anything
We can't *not* be wrong, can we? How can we know about something we never learnt about?
Why hate us for that of all things?

>>143979791
man, i had a long thing typed up explaining how joining all-out fixed all of your problems (plex, jumpclones, carebear label, pvp fund, knowledge, time, etc) but

>>143980505
Nigga I don't hate you and I don't antagonize carebears in-game. This is just me stating my honest-to-Guard opinions on a Ni-Kunni carpetweaving forum, in hopes of spreading the good word and getting more people to play the game in a way that I like.

>>143980650
Yeah. Don't bother.

>>143980812
Sure, thanks.
You made pvp appear a tiny bit more achievable for me, so - success, I guess.

>>143980165
>10-30 minutes to find at least one fight
This is so wrong it hurts. FW, and EVE low/null/wh pvp at large, is helldunk or blueballs in its core. People don't want to engage into something they think they won't win, so you need to actually bait them or be lucky to stumble across some rare exceptions.

>>143967105
Is this the first mmo you have played with /vg/? Because that is standard.

>playing mmos that aren't eve

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>2016 memes so funny top kek damn daniel ayyyyyyyy lmao 2016 i love memes so good salty >implying cuck mega memes cripsy spicy memes much laugh many memes 2016 best memer dreamer this side of the memeverse gotta love them memes top meme kekker 420 blaze it kappa PJsalt ayyyy wew memes 2016 worlds on fire memes let your sin shine through ultra dank metaverse maymay memes

>not interbus skin

>not intaki

>>143984842
Copy and paste from Saranen local?

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>hisec

Okay guys, I am halfway through the Mussah/Timm3h fanfic, does Mussah end up mindbroken or not?

>>143950927
>Photon Torpedos can't melt steel reactors

>>143985532
Mindbreak is vanilla and boring.

>>143962054
>https://zkillboard.com/kill/54317568/
I keep trying to make an explanation for this and can't find one that fits.

>>143986150
Amputee?