/twg/ - Total War General

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Ahhh /twg/… the eternal general

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hey guys i got the game

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nth for World War

>>143782614
So does he work for Chaos or does he serve a purpose even beyond that?

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Tonks

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war is hell

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>people already complaining about how difficult the campaign is
>Bretonnia, Wood Elves, and Tomb Kings haven't even been added in
>smallest map Total Warhammer will have after trilogy is complete
>Only 5 out of 16 planned major factions playable
>Only 11 distinct factions in out of 33+
>shortest campaign Total Warhammer will have
>Current late-game will become future early mid-game
>when the game is finally one huge map
>Dwarfs have to face greenskins west, tomb kings south and chaos dwarfs/ogres east
>Tomb Kings have to fight araby west, greenskins north, and dwarf/lizardmen strongholds south
>Kurgans and hun steppe hordes can now be incorporated into chaos armies along with chaos daemons
>Lizardmen will pull off sunset invasions
>Rats will burst from Skavenblight and overrun southern kingdoms early on
>The Empire, VC and Bretonnia will now have to deal with beastmen, civil war, skaven, and wood elves
>Greenskins fight dwarfs and tomb kings
>Chaos Undivided army arrives hundreds of turns after initial probe attack from Warriors of Chaos

>>143782743
Did you have to do any cool micro or anything for that to happen?

What the fuck was that in the last thread

Do doom catapults suck or am I using them wrong? Rock lobbers seem to be better while being cheaper.

>>143782795
How did you get those black bars?

>>143782895

Doomdivers are very accurate and can track flying units, they perform similarly in terms of damage

>>143782931

console commands

>>143782874
I set them up in a battle line and fast forwarded, no micro needed at all

>>143782931
Alt + K

>>143782735
He has to

It's the only way a human could ever advise the dwarfs or orcs

is it confirmed for all DLCs / expansions / whatever to expand the map ? will it eventually be a huge map with all the races ( 16 ? ) playable at once ?

I like the game a lot, though endgame can get boring like Civ, and I dont like that attila / chaos horde mechanic.

>>143782858
I doubt adding races will really make the campaign more difficult. Obviously it'll extend it but the ai/campaign settings won't change. The starting difficulties might get altered and we don't know if the next titles will add specific challenges but it'll likely stay the same.

>>143783072
How does 444=12, now you are just making shit up.

>>143783327
4x4=28
/4
=12

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Okay so no Radious mod, how about Proper combat mod?

>>143783412
>4x4=28
>/4
>=12

Holy shit the math skills

Every time I open the game I have to fight the urge to start a new campaign

>>143783281
It gets harder because of more enemies and more doomstacks to deal with. Once you finally do conquer your immediate area, you now have to deal with huge enemy blobs headed your way on multiple fronts. Giving a longer campaign and more to do late-game means more challenge.

/twg/ - Gradeschool Math General

>>143783327
>>143783412
>>143783540
You fuckers are seriously making my brain hurt with your wacky and zany math. How hard can it be to take 3 times 4, or 4 times 3.

>>143783540
They're actually correct, it's because 4's an obtuse number

Based autistic bad at math bro

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>CLIMB THE MOUNTAIN

Did he meant something lewd with this?

>>143783893

Yeah, he's tired of belly slapping.

>>143782743
what mod you running to make army sizes that big?

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Kholek is such a goddamn hunk.

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stop talking about math and start giving opinions on Proper combat mod

God fucking damn it, I hate it when it seems like you're just about to trigger a nice chain rout against a numerical larger enemy, but then only half of them rout and then you're stuck in a gigantic cluster fuck with enemies that keep coming back from their routs all over the map.
Made me restart my last my last battle just cause it's fucking irritating and it takes forever.

>>143783169
But then why would he advise against the destruction of the Chaos Warbands?

>>143782743
What's the lore reason that the Imperium can't just make endless tanks again?

>>143781731

Now I learn that was all placebo and vanilla. Nothing was changed despite me changing the values and loading the mod. GG no RE.

For whatever reason I fixed it even though I didn't do anything but redo it. I'll give it another try

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>>143784074
no mods, just ultra sized units

Why do offensive spells seem to do jack shit for damage?

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WAAAAAAGHHHHH!

>>143782858
unless they somehow increase the size of the provinces in game already it will be crap, things like the beastmen will either get wiped on turn 3 or wipe empire on turn 10 and things like that

too crowded

There have been numerous undisputable masterpieces in total war modding, such as the strikingly realistic classic Europa Barbarorum or its medieval counterpart Stainless Steel. Radious mod will not join their ranks; its surface is too generic, its presentation too provocative and its messages too obscure. Its take on the abysmal is an illumination in one person’s despair, but a paroxysm of another’s perversion. It will remain underground – treasured by the most avant-garde among intellectuals for its edifying if horrifying insight into the fundaments of human morality. Philistines and self-proclaimed critics alike will shun Radious mod, but you can’t fault them for that. It takes wisdom to appreciate its subtleties, and courage to side with the unpopular opinion. Sed domi maneas paresque nobis novem continuas fututiones.

Superficially, Radious mod appears to be a mod which caters to the most proletarian among men; aloof critics dismiss it as such often without a second thought. As complacent as these self-proclaimed "understanders of strategy" are, they fail to realize that Radious mod is a cult classic, a chef d'oeuvrea buried under false preconceptions and unfounded criticism. This gem is hidden because it does not shine; it is buried because its tone is that of abyssal black. Radious mod pries into to the darkest corners of our subconscious, the most visceral of our cognition, the most carnal of our urges, and the most primal of our instincts.

As brilliantly put by Cattalus, "Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo"; to describe the artistic qualia of Radious mod would be to describe music to the deaf, color to the blind or beauty to the philistine. The painting speaks for itself, and it is up to the player to fully absorb its depth. Its sublimity will ever be debated yet always remain objectively irrefutable; the fundamental insight it provides into human and perhaps animalistic nature may shape the basis of Total War modding for centuries to come.

>>143784084
>proper combat mod

Rework the entire ork army. They have only 1 unit of armor piercing and litearlly 0 anti large.

Rework half of VC army, either give them all regeneration if zombie/flesh, or make them actually fucking walk in formation and fight correctly.

Make Chaos Great Again!
More weapon damage, more armor.

Nerf Empire
Make Greatswords worse than Swordsman in certain aspects. Make them cost more. Make outriders not shit. Make handgunners not shit. Make half their artillery not shit. Make Reiksgard not shit. Nerf demigyphs.

Dorfs are boring.
Make all like 6 variants of fucking copters good. Make like all 3 worthless artillery past grudgthrowers good. Make quarrelers take some research or tech to make, they should be harder to get than thunderers. Give slayers some kind of dmg reduction like every other 0 armor unit in the game.

>>143784310
But in your picture Heinrich has like 8 units and the troops he put out is 1022
Unless you've changed something that's not possible.

>>143784245
>cannons are still malfunctioning all the time, lore-wise
>gunpowder is still spoopy as some dumbotron can just blow himself up with a keg
>expect the engineers that explain a malfunction with 'a witch did it', and half the time them being right, would be able to reverse-engineer steam tanks

They literally have no idea how Leonardo put them together

>>143782614
AAAAH DAWI FROM ANOTHER THREAD ARRIVED. 'TIS A GOOD DAY FOR OUR PEOPLE:

Just leaving this here...

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=693158356

Enjoy Blood Knights before their official release :)

>>143784132
Because Chaos Gods fuck with each other constantly.

>>143784434
This. This is why I have some serious doubts about us ever seeing races that "share" lands with the ones already present. Skaven and Beastmen come to mind.

>>143784562
Make Greatswords worse than Swordsman in certain aspects.

They are literally the elites of the empire's infantry. There is no reason for them to be inferior except for lack of shield and even then dorf plate they wear should more than make up for not having some wood and shitty iron shield.

How the FUCK do you survive in high difficulties as dwarves for the first turns?

>Capture entire province.
>Alright, I'll go do the first quest battle.
>Somehow take a million years to get there even though it's right next to me.
>Halfway through an orc stack steps into my lands.
>Welp, time to go back, I can always do it later.
>Scare orcs away.
>Alright now-
>Orc stack comes the other way.
>Fuck's sake.
>Spend a good 8 turns going from one side to the other scaring a different stack each time.
>Finally catch one of them in an underground battle and kill them.
>Decide to rush for walls on all settlements so I can at least fucking leave them for one turn.
>Get a message that an orc WAAAGH! is coming.
>3 full stacks at my door before I even manage to build those defenses.

There goes the campaign. Didn't even get to do the first quest.

>>143784812
But every single Chaos God is interested in seeing the end of the world.

>>143784245
Leonardo totally not Da Vinci disappeared and took blueprints with him. Empire engineers can't figure out how to reproduce them.

Tbh there's too few building chains

Every settlement ends up looking the same

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>Meanwhile Sylvania stirs and out of the swamplands and corrupted plains a loud aristocratic voice shatters the very sky, its echo penetrating deep into the lands of man and dwarf:
WHERE ARE THY ALLIES?
And so, the march of the dead began...

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After having his throngs of Dwarf miners routed by the Orc garrison of Mount Squighorn, only Yadri Oathkeeper remained. With nearly half the enemy forces remaining, surrounded and under fire, he stands alone, unyielding against the Orcish mob. His will resolute, he refuses to break.

>The best way to expand as the Empire is into Brettonia

Take that you stupid french morons.

>>143784868
But they're still better than swordsmen even WITH the lack of shielded. 70 extra armor is more damage mitigation than fucking 30% block chance you fucking cuck.

>>143784854

We've already seen almost all the beastmen unit's animations in the code. They are going to be featured it's just a question of how, but I doubt they will not be a faction in some sense. It could be emergent rebels - instead of chaos unrest spawning norsca chaos stacks it'd spawn beastmen. Or when Arch the everchosen arrives a beastman stack or three spawn.

crack when

>>143784132
He's actually an agent of Malal possessing an old man because they're a gigantic roided out demi-god is probably going to be looked at suspiciously.

What do you guys think of the ork boar chariots and ork boy big uns? Are either worth using?

>>143784934

Slaanesh wasn't 100% on it. He actually sent his stupidest champion to the final battle in the hopes he'd fuck up and let the Incarnates win.

>>143784986

I know. It feels kind of odd though.

>>143785025
Yeah, that might be one way of solving the problem of overcrowding - how does one make them playable outside of MP battles though?

>>143784934
Not really. Khorne just wants blood, skulls and endless slaughter. Slaanesh wants lewd shit. Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life. And Tzeentch is the master ruseman. They don't care whether the world ends or not. For them, it's just entertainment. If it wasn't for Sigmar ruining everything, they would start the game anew in different place and reality.

>>143784880
simple, you don't do the quest until you dealt with Grimgor's bullshit

>>143784998
>But they're still better than swordsmen even WITH the lack of shielded.

So you're saying with the lack of shield they are still better than swordsmen.

Which is exactly the way they are in the fluff you stupid cocksucker. They are a flat upgrade, a pure elite. You don't have fucking Palatina Legionaries being shittier than Legio Comitatenses in some value, they just cost more and are only available later on.

What your dumb ass is suggesting is akin to "Well let's make Templar knights have less attack or less mass or less speed or less charge or less armor than a regular ol feudal knight".

Would you have a chaos marauder have some kind of advantage over a chaos chosen beyond numbers or price? Of course not. So why the fuck are you having the elite greatswords shittier than swordsmen in some regard?

Go download Radious if you just want epix armor-porn everything is OP.

>>143785025

>march through forest
>beastman ambush
>castle near forest
>forest howls in the night warning
>time to prepare
>armies start emerging

Come on do it CA.

>>143784986

Why Bretonnia?

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>>143784623
>literally can't add

Are you that fucker from the last thread? This is ultra unit sizes. No mods.

>>143785248
But I didn't do the quest.

>>143784934
Pretty sure Tzeentch is most interested in keeping the eternal game going. Atleast he is in 40k. Since End Times isn't canon anyway, I'll just go with that interpretation.

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>It'll be another Rome 2 they said
>It'll be buggy as fuck they said
>It'll be months before its even playable they said
>It'll sell less than Attila in the same period of time they said.
>Load times will be awful they said
>There won't be much post content development support they said.
>Without elves the game will be DoA they said.

Has anyone been as wrong as these shills before?

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>>143785337
>That graphic detail

Sorry you are running this game on a toaster anon.

>>143785289

The dukes don't ally, and rarely wage war with anyone except the French vampires.

They also only have two city provinces so can't field any armies worth a shit, but have really good resources that they squander by not trading with anywhere.

You can basically take them out one by one, and funnel all those resources into the massive number of trade links you're likely to have.

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>>143784978
Now, having felled his foes by the dozen, he pursues the remaining forces. Exhausted, wounded, his rage overflowing, nothing will take this victory from his grasp.

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for the empire

>>143785462
Thanks senpai, I feel sorry for myself too.

I get tired of 2 minute long loading screens for battles that I can't auto resolve on turn 150 because my army has too many monsters in it.

>>143784880
Have you ever considered making TWO (2) armies?
I used a lord with like 3 dwarf warriors to scare off the orcs early on and conquered all of rib peaks with Ungrim, just stay within reinforcement range of Karaz-a-Karak.

>>143784562
Ahh cheers, just gave it a test battle and it seems good.

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>Theirs not to reason why

>>143784562
>handgunners
>shit

you must be shit

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>>143785664
>Have you ever considered making TWO (2) armies?
Well that probably could have worked.

Is it just me, or does the chaos invasion actually make the game easier for the Empire? I never owned Wissenland, Stirland and Averland directly and got the Wasteland and Nordland by confederating with Marienburg for free. And the keklords are hardly a challenge after beating Chaos either. A long victory after only 140 turns seems short.

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So apparently one of my objectives as vampire counts is to destroy the dwarves. Is there any reason to go to war with then early though? Considering I can't even occupy their lands.

>>143785452
load times are awful

stop acting like a retard, there was a good chance this would be just like rome 2

>>143785337
Is this the warhammer Med2 mod people keep talking about?

>>143785421
I'm pretty sure at this point most players of Warhammer Fantasy are just playing Total War and pretending the End Times were stopped and everything went back to status quo with slightly more dread of destruction going on.

Not that anyone plays Warhammer Fantasy anymore because you're better off buying an army from eBay and using a ruleset like Kings of War because GW has insane prices on their shit and the Warhammer rules are too complicated for their own good.

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Joey is a Gobbo.

What do lads?

>>143782614
I am currently conducting a survey on dead games in several generals including Total War Warhammer

I would like to ask you a couple of questions

1. When did you realize for the first time that your game was dead?
2. How long did it take you to get over the fact that the game is dead or are you still in denial? (if you are still in denial a simple "b-but the game isn't dead" will suffice)
3. Do you ever feel insecure about playing a dead game?
4. Do any of your friends support your life choice of playing a dead game?
5. Do girls laugh at you in conversations when you tell them you are in fact playing a dead game?
6. Are your parents disappointed in you or did you not tell them yet?
7. If you could change one decision in your life would not playing a dead game be part of it?

can anyone give me some tips for VC? I'm not really having trouble but I want to increase my efficiency and keep getting better. I'm not sure how to use bats or wolves well. Wolves seem very weak, and kinda like a waste of a slot. Also, is "anti-large" also "anti-cavalry"?

>>143785452
antishills are just as annoying as actual shills
nobody wants to listen or argue with someone who is just there to suck CA off or who only ever played medieval 2 and will never play any other total war game acting like CA killed their family

wtf i thought the 108 founders edition would be 700 jewbucks, im seeing preorders on amazon for 1k.

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>>143785891
>load times are awful

>He doesn't have a SSD

>>143785827
Another thing, there's no roads leading north so using underground travel is usually faster even if there's no obstacle.
Also always get the ability that gives +10% travel speed on every lord.

>>143785558
>that army compostion on the chaos warband

Every time. Fucking cav and dog spam. It's not even good, it just grinds down your cav. Pisses me off to no end.

Alright I`ll admit I'm shit first

What do you do to beat chaos as empire?
When they show up they utterly stomp me.

Also, what's with the agents, I can't seem to kill them off very well.

>>143784880
Just pay gold to teleport to the quest if you absolutely have to do it.

can I have a quick tip how to summon elector counts ?

early vamp battles are the worst

It comes entirely down to working out where all the lords are gonna end up and making sure you can kill them with spells

>>143786065
>implying you need an SSD to not have shit load times

This is easily the TW with the shortest load times in a long time. Only Shogun had shorter ones for me. And I don't have this on SSD.

>>143786046
Why the fuck would you buy the founders edition when there will be cards with better cooling and clocks for less money just a few weeks after release?

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>>143785468
>nothing will take this victory from his grasp.

Except his tiny, stumpy little legs that won't let him actually catch the enemy.

>>143785891
>This damage control
There really wasn't. It was clear from everything we seen pre launch they took the development seriously and knew another Rome 2 would finish them. The fact they delayed it only proved how much they wanted to make sure it didn't end up a Rome 2 redux.

Load times are NOT awful get a better computer. The very first load when you start the game up is fairly long but all subsequent ones are very quick.

>>143785874
Only to take out Zhufbar early so that the greenskins can't occupy it and quickly build a base on your doorstep.

>>143785891
>Load times
>bad
I have a potato and can say the load times are not bad at all.
go away

>>143786260
Actually, he did catch one group of them and then the other routed shortly after. I was surprised he was able to. I thought they would just be able to kite and slowly whittle him down

Do Dwarves have knees?

holy fuck Big 'uns are terrible in combat three charge a group of longbeards with my lord in the center and all fucking three big un groups fucking rout jesus fuck WHEN DO ORKS RUN FROM A GUD FOIGHT IT WAS A NICE AND STUCK IN FIOUGHT EVEN THE GOBBO GITZ ARE BETTER AT FIOGHTING

>>143786065
Don't even need an SSD to be honest. Having a a good HDD and not fragmented to fuck does the job just fine.

>>143786547
No they have beards.

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http://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-is-the-fastest-selling-total-war/
>fantasy is a mistake
>fantasy Warhammer sucks and it was squatted lmao no one will care
>people don't care about childish fantasy they want reskins of the same history game
>fantasy will drive out a lot of people
>Total War and fantasy don't mix up well
How does it feel to be THIS fucking wrong, /his/ fags? Do you feel the chills running down your spine? Do you feel the sharp pain in your stomach? Do you feel your buttcheeks clenching on their own in natural act of self defense? That's the feel of being THIS wrong.

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>>143786547
No one but dwarves know.

And they usually forget once they grow their beards enough.

>>143786579
Orc's definition of a 'gud fiot' is one where they're winning. If they're getting cut to pieces by longbeards they'll leg it and go find a better fight somewhere else.

How do you beat the dward quest battle against all the giants and trolls ? full gyro ?

>>143784969
>>143784729
Nice!

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>>143785946

>>143786714
Post /his/fag salt.

>>143786714
>take two popular franchises and mix them
>don't make another Rome 2 launch
>here comes the moooooney

The only thing that could have ruined it was a Rome 2 tier launch.

I'm shocked anyone would think fucking WARHAMMER wouldn't sell.

>>143786714
it's funny, if they ever get the LotR license they might even be able to break into the main-stream. Most people don't know fuck about Warhammer even though it's an anglo-german remix of LotR elements. And it still sold really well just because fantasy.

>>143785991
Wolves and bats are total horse shit, as are zombies (although a few units of zombies can make the difference in the early game). Focus on Growth and income, you'll be swimming in dosh in no time. For efficiency, spells are broken so abuse Spirit Leech/Fate of Bjuna.

Early sieging is a nightmare so you can rely on auto resolve stacks for those hard-to-get castles.

Not sure about anti-large.

Would love some campaign tips for Chaos.

>>143786793

DEYS WERE OUTNUMBERED THREE TO ONE AND DA BOSS WAS DERE DA BOIZ MUCKING IT UP WITH DA MINERS DIN'T RUN LIEK GITZ

GODDAMN NORSCANS GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY LANDS

RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>143786714
>>143785452
>yfw it has only just begun

Good times ahead. Modding community been making some great stuff in the first 5 days aswell.

>>143785874
It makes no fucking sense and it makes me not want to play vampires.
Imagine if you had to kill the fucking greenskins as the empire mucking about in the badlands wasting a million years encamping because razing everything doesn't replenish your army.

>>143786852
not exactly /his/ but salt is salt
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?731097-Would-you-call-TW-Warhammer-a-step-forward
TWC autists burying the game as a failure because it doesn't cater to needs of two dozens of autists on a forum.

Am I bad, or are VC skelly infantry just terrible?

>>143786931
Isn't Warhammer older than Lotr?

>>143786714
>Selling faster than Rome 2
>yfw Rome 2 sold 2.8mn copies alone in the near 3 years since launch.

Oh boy this is going to be a goldmine for CA,Sega and GW when you realise its a trilogy with DLC for each part.

>>143787195
Games Workshop was founded in 1975. What the fuck are you smoking.

>>143787191
They are, but early game infantry is naturally bad. Replace them with something better when you can afford it.

general opinions on VC units? I find my vargheists, crypt horrors & terrorgheists tear shit up. haven't tried the wraiths though.

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>the game is finally out
>now must wait for DLC and expansions

LIFE IS SUFFERING

>>143786931
Warhammer is mainstream as fuck lad.

Even though people pretended not to like it in their youth.

>Game has 100k people still playing

Pretty good sign tbqh

>>143785078
Anyone? The only testing I found was

Chariots:
Faster
Substantially more penetration and knockdown
Take no damage on a charge
Can withdraw without taking damage easily
Movement orders knockdown enemies letting them bounce between targets
Do very little damage
Only 4 units

Boar Boy Big 'Uns:
More units
Deal a lot more damage than chariots
Can rack up a decent number of kills in melee after the charge
Die very quickly, against empire swords the first charge lost 6, next lost 15
Terrible penetration and knockdown, often get stuck on the first line
Withdrawing will cause casualties every time
Lose a few on a charge
Slow as fucking shit
Withdrawing is hard because they're slow, can't bounce between units because they get stuck

Wolf Riders:
Fast as god damn shit
Great knockdown
Easily able to bounce between units
Surprisingly good moral
Piss poor damage even on a charge but good for killing archers
Struggle against dwarf quarrelers
Can deploy anywhere
Only useful against infantry for moral damage, rear charges do little

Spider Riders
Somewhat slow
Ignores terrain
Much tankier and better moral then wolves
Poison is always nice for the debuffs
Mediocre charges
Models take up a lot of space

So far it seems that as much as I love wolf riders spider riders are better, especially in a combo, ork boar units suck ass may as well use chariots but then those do pathetic damage on a charge

so ive been watching my giant for some time now... has anyone noticed that if they stick units down their pants?

>>143787158
Holy hell I got infected with autism just from reading that fucking thread.

>>143786931
LoTR is shit tier though and its popularity has gone the generation that came after us have never seen LoTR let alone read the books. It's black and white. Good vs evil. It's European folklore and mythology with Catholic theology sprinkled together.

Yes its the father of modern fantasy but its still just a re-imagining of stories told by Europeans for millennia.

>>143787158
This circlejerk makes me fucking cringe

>>143787571
>he says while Shadow of Mordor came out a year ago and sold well purely based on the license

Also, what age do you mean with "generation after us".

>>143787436


cairn wraiths are good against units that are mostly physical. They can just sit there slapping people all day and barely take any damage.

only if they face a mage will they be fucked.

hexwraiths are good anti cav maybe?

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>>143785254

Accidentally closed out browser but looking them up in 8th edition all you'd really need to do for chosen Great weapon vs Greatsword is:

-Drop Emp GS by maybe 20 men
-Make sure GS cost is lower than a Chosen Great Weapon,. Considering a CHosen GW is 18 + 3 for the GW they are technically close to twice as much as a Emp GS, but twice as expensive as a GS is too high.
-GS Attack is 4 and ingame is 30 (30/4 is 7.5). Chosen GW is 6 and 44 ingame (44/6 is 7.3). So both are multipled by around the same number. Maybe raise Chosen GW by 2-4 attack points for ingame balancing & because Chosen GW has higher strength and +1 more attack than a Emp GS in tabletop.

-Given Chosen GW anti infantry. I dunno why they don't get it in the first place. Chosen Axemen can have the highest chosen defense, chosen halberdiers the anti-large, chosen GW can have the anti-inf.

Raise melee defense or armor a little bit for Chosen GW to reflect higher toughness but not HP as both have 1 in wound.
Initiative maybe see wherever melee attack speed is dictated and up it just a tiny bit for chosen GW.

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1:1.5 Bretonia
1:4 Elfs
1:8 Lizards
1:10 Rats / dark or tree elfs
1:20 Ogres / Bestmen / Tombkings

what do you think?

>Start campaign as brettonia using mod
>First turns are incredibly boring
>Just pressing end turn over and over
>Have to start ridiculous wars to stay entertained
I know stuff like putting in Empire Secessionists or Templehof Secessionists or whatever is a bit lame in principle, but it really helps warm up the start of the campaign to have some early enemies.

>>143787531

I've been playing it virtually nonstop since release. Been downloading mods everyday.

Jesus fuck.

What exactly do I need to do to make a faction my vassal/join confederation? I've got the Bloody Spearz at 137 attitude/military ally and a huge strength lead over them and they refuse.

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what

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>No female wizards

Why is CA so sexist? It's 2016.

>>143787956
Its gotta be the Brets

>Charge Demigryph Knights into literally anything
>win

This is kind of absurd.

Guys I just started warhammer and I noticed if I click behind enemies and my cavalry runs through the enemy soldiers it actually seems to count as a charge. Does this work with infatry aswell and is it more useful to charge by right clicking or behind enemy lines?
If I can actually click behind emnemy lines without repercussions I ahve to say this is a big improvement for total war controls, since I always cried when I watched my cavalry failing a charge because the enemy has some fucking stragler isomewhere behind

>>143787158
>i havn't played it but it's bad

This is what most of their opinions boil down to

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>Fight a norscan army
>eleventy billion horsemen and doggos

It's not even hard, just tedious.

>>143787158
thank god the devs don't listen to those fucks. I understand why they want some more intricate complexity in unit and world management but the reason it was taken out was because it was low-impact tedious bullshit in previous games. You mostly just "do stuff" and it becomes a chore.

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NO! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!

Skeleton units are so boring, are ghouls a good replacement?

>>143785991
Swamp enemy war machines with bats. Wolves are only good vs unarmored targets. I tend to have a single unit of wolves soley for chasing down routed units, keep them back from combat otherwise. They are super fast so they will catch even routed cav.

Dont underestimate the effect vampiric corrution has when you travel outside of Sylvania - get some heroes to corrupt your target province in advance, and dont underestimate the buildings that give corruption in adjacent provinces.

>>143787956

you may as well have bretonnia as 1:1 for the first patch.

>>143787547
I haven't noticed, but if they do, then that's amazing. The tabletop game had a chart for what did a giant do in combat, and among other things (like falling down and dealing damage in an area, eating someone, etc.) they could grab someone and store them down their pants.

>>143787504

i enjoyed the shit out of the warhammer fantasy and 40k tabletop for most of my youth then they started jewing the shekels out of you for less quality work.

its to the point if you want models for cheap that last for a while just go 3rd party but if your a tourneyfag who cares bout good model quality you gotta buy forge-world

>>143787158
>So many core mechanics have been removed to make their job so much easier. I thing Sega and Games Workshop have made them reduce the development time to make more money faster
They actually think not implementing sanitation, corruption and food (literally just numbers on settlements/buildings) was a cut corner. Holy fuck.

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>spend 25 turns grooming minor orc faction to be my attack dog
>greenskins confederate them
>mfw

LESSON LEARNED

I want to play Vampire counts as sort of mischievous backstabbers that manipulate other races. Is it feasible to trick some of the empire factions to trade with you and ally with you?

>>143788187
>I'm not even going to touch it because my autism is super high!

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I re-installed Darthmod but it says these packs are missing. Help me

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What's this confederate thing you guys are always talking about?

>people want a 40k TW

How would that even work? Marine chapters are ~1k manned at most. Let alone fighting in different dimensions.

>>143788187
I don't understand this logic. Total War has always been fantasy and unrealistic. Why don't they just play a paradox game?

>>143788394
no

um as vamps I have a 20 stack 3 turns in thanks to raise dead

Should I be disbanding stuff already to recruit better troops?

>>143788609
what the fuck are you smoking

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>>143788589
yeah, 40k isn't really about the TW style combat at all. You have maybe one faction who actually does regimental style combat in all of 40k.

fantasy it makes fucking sense.

>>143788394
You are a bunch of fucking rotting vampires controlling armies of carcasses and you are asking if the religious, sigmar fearing empire will ally with your gangrenous ass?

>>143788394
no

>>143788589
They couldn't even make a complete fantasy total war. Imagine how much nocontent there would be in a 40k.

>>143787956
It's Bretonnia, they're like two units off of completion already

Alright, how the fuck does the Raise the Dead mechanic work for VCs? I've never been able to raise anything but basic troops, even from sites where thousands of troopers perished. Am I missing something here? I thought sites of great battle could offer you better stuff than zombies and skeles.

>>143788589
People should just wait for DoW 3. TW style doesn't fit 40k at all.

>>143788459

Well, do they exist?

>>143788394
no senpai

>>143788083
>>No female wizards
There are. Bretonnia have them and Vampire Counts have them.

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How many Lords should you field early game?
I only just started my Empire campaign and I've only claimed the first province, but I'm not sure if I should focus on more armies at the risk of bankrupting myself, or if I should wait but risk getting attacked all of a sudden. Right now I just have two medium sized armies.

>>143788841
Only if it was actually used in the battle

>>143787875

oh and fuck them for not putting Marks in the game. Frenzy Chosen were fucking meat grinders same with Khorne Knights (if you wanted to just break a block)

therres a reason when i played fantasy i went with WoC their base melee units were top of the line and their heavy hitters IMO were the best there was

and getting a 12 on the Maw of Tzeentch just gobbling up an entire unit was great as well

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>The city of vampire shits

>>143788856
no

Crossbowmen > handgunners, right?

>>143788947
Just take Marienburg and field all the armies

2½ early on

>>143788394
that's a no

>Mountain jews actually make the best allies

They're almost all reliable, don't talk to many NPC factions, and basically never get killed.

I've been using the Dwarves as my attack dogs on Bretonnia for the last thirty turns.

>>143788589
It could work for some factions, like orks vs nids would probably work as the majority of their armies are big blocks that run into each other, with the odd bigger thing. Hell even the imperial guard may be feasible, it's basically like rocking up with a load of artillery and line infantry. Armies that work on small elite teams like the space marines wouldn't work at all though.

>>143788997
>losing half your upgraded army to literal trash units

>>143788609

>paradox game
>not fantasy
>not playing a protestant Morocco conquering Mecca

>crusader kings 2
>Europe gets invaded by the Aztecs

>>143788609
Because these are the people who autoresolve every single battle and care only about the stuff on world map, while unironically thinking that they play some deep empire building simulator.

>>143788997
>Patriarch
>Some random lord with no wizard in his army

Why?

>>143788947
>more armies
>more opportunities to take settlements
>more settlements
>more opportunity for weaving stations which translates directly into money
>you basically want exponential settlement growth in the early game and then after you have a stable economy turn it into linear growth where you try to funnel your armies in one direction take on cities with a strategic advantage.

>>143788997
Why is your patriarch not a wizard? Surely you've got gelt by now?

>>143788997
How can you even counter those god units? I'd be fucked to if an AI empire attacked me with that army.

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>>143788947
>mfw I've gone through 80 turns as VC on hard without using any other army aside from Mannfred

>>143788573
When one faction absorbs another. Like in Agar.io

>>143788997

>Demigryph Knights

How many zombies is a single Demigryph Knight worth?

100?

>>143789284
You can't because empire is supremely unabalanced

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>>143789075
>mfw I didn't know Marienburg was such a huge gold mine
>mfw I only got them by confederating after beating chaos with constant money problems

>>143788609

What?

Sure, the Arcani and Berserkers were bullshit, not to mention the bronze age egyptians, but those were just some poetic licenses.

It's always been focused on history and it has tried to be closer to be more realistic in newer installments.

>>143785337
>that Kemmler

WHERE IS KRELL-SAMA, DESU NE!

>>143789063
I think Handgunners have more ammo.

>>143788997
>hey guys look at my endgame stack beating up a bunch of fucking skellies

WOW

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first update

blood dragon cav pls

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despite being a very small scale battle this was the most fun one in warhammer yet and the most intense:
>norsk scum sieging as always
>valiant brets decide to lift the siege with their tiny stack
>odds in the enemy favour but say fuck it and choose to sally out
>have the most intense battle ever

>>143788160
>autoresolve against them because the odds are heavily in your favour
>your lvl 17 fire wizard dies
>no one else hurt or injured
>you are playing on legendary so accept it like a bitch

I am seriously considering just moving the wizard out of the stack whenever I intend to autoresolve

>>143789384
>it has tried to be closer to be more realistic in newer installments.
literally the opposite
stuff like battle cams and 1v1 animations were pure Hollywood

>>143787079
It's gonna wind down, modding the campaign is really hard and the map is unmoddable as well. It's pretty much going to be some small tweaks and thats it, rest is going to be DLC only

>>143789384
>and it has tried to be closer to be more realistic in newer installments.
HAHA GOOD LUCK DEALING WITH MY CELT AMBUSH EVERY FIGHT

>>143789063
Handgunners are better vs armor. So if you are attack dorfs bring hand gunners, but in nearly every other situation cross bows are better since they arc and you can take out enemy archers very quickly.

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>2nd expension
>send my army led by Markii Makson of Irondrakes and Gyrobombers to the southern lands to reconquer the lost Karaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo

>>143782858
>Current late-game will become future early mid-game
Stop repeating this bullshit

I'm having so much fun that I'd buy atilla right now if it was on sale

God knows why sega did a TW sale right before the game came out

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>>143789726
Oh boy, it must be.

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>>143789742
>I am seriously considering just moving the wizard out of the stack whenever I intend to autoresolve
>Auto resolve against norscans with eleventy billion doggos and marauders
>Half my demi gryphs are dead
>Fire wizard dead
>Witch hunter almost dead


holy fuck. I know I wulda stomped them in the fight itself but didn't want to suffer the fight manually. Now I wish I did.

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>>143789571
>>143789136
You didn't get to see the other two armies, which were basically all upgraded Grave Gard units and some large monsters. Also, the two reinforcing armies got to spawn in behind my deployment zone, so I was sandwiched from the beginning and had to micro a shit ton to ultimately fight them both on the same front.

>>143789751
>>143789828

I meant the campaign map and the factions, yes gameplay went to shit in some parts.

>>143784434
>>143784854

I suppose they could make some regions sub-regions once you enter them. e.g Athel Loren is meant to be a confusing magical forest for outsiders anyway - maybe you click on it in the map and it expands into a much larger territory that wood elves and beastmen can fight over.

Taking that a step further it could possibly even have a second exit somewhere outside of its physical location on the map, that'd give the wood elves an option other than "fuck over the Bretonians"

>>143789886
The thing I hate about counts is you cant really send an expedition force like that.

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>>143789742


>>143789751
>literally the opposite
no, at least later titles didnt have 2000BC army in 200BC, or fucking roman ninjas, rome1 had fucking radious tier rosters, even m2 had "assassins" as a battle unit

how do you get savage orcs?

>>143788394
yes, its a bit difficult though

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Legendary Lord penis rank by size and output;

1. Kholek
2. Karl Franz
3. Mannfred
4. Balthasar
5. Ungrim
6. Thorgrim
7. Archaeon
8. Heinrich

Honorable mentions are Grimgor and Azhog, as they are literal fungi.

Sigvald was not included because Slaanesh gave him a pretty vagina instead.

>>143790114
There's a button on any province that shows you the entire list of building chains and what they unlock

>>143789063
There is literally no reason to use handgunners if you have access to outriders.

>>143790245
yeah, but can't seem to find savage orcs anywhere

>>143785932
WAAAGH!

>>143789984
>Also, the two reinforcing armies got to spawn in behind my deployment zone
this is a bug that CA has admitted exists, I just wish they would hurry up and fix it, it ruins multi-stack battles. It happens to the player too, the only way to deal with it is make your attacking stack only infantry and stick all cav into the reinforcing one

>>143790159
Slaanesh specifically did not change Sigvald in the slightest.

>>143790346

Most southern province in Badlands.

>>143790346
I think you have to take over the top knotz areas.

>>143790278
Steam tank + handgunner divisions are fun and they work well since the hand gunner can still fire while the steam tanks are fighting.

>>143790346
Those buildings are only availble in a specific province capitol, I think. I aint sure, but I think it is Ekrund.

>>143790278
More firepower

>>143790346
far south

>>143788394
Glad you could make it Thorgrim

>>143790443
>>143790471
>>143790485
cheers

>>143790528
2/3 of the unit size with 2x the damage. Outriders outdamage Handgunners while having higher mobility.

Where di CA anounce the new playable faction and new units?

>>143782858
>>people already complaining about how difficult the campaign is
but the steam reviews say it's easier and that chaos is a push over

>>143790685
Chaos never actually sends chaos warriors and shit against me. Marauders and hounds are fodder as fuck

>>143790671
They haven't said anything specifically about what the FLC faction or what new factions are coming out first, but the first one is almost certainly going to be Bretonnia since their roster is halfway done already.

So, anybody seen a gorebeast chariot in a campaign yet?

>AI armies always escape fights
>player armies always die after routing
quality title, CA

>>143786714
i was a /his/fag but i have been converted tbqhf

>>143786714

>CA will never make anything historical again

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POOR LITTLE SIGVALD

>fight the frogs as Empire
>they field two armies
>i field two armies
>my reinforcements spawn behind them
>their reinforcements spawn behind me
>over half their combined army is cavalry
>my reinforcing army is mainly spears and ranged units meant to ensure victory
>the first army charges right away
>my reinforcing army has to play catch up while my main army has to deal with hordes of cavalry and archers

SURE IS FUN GETTING A FAT STACK OF GRAIL KNIGHTS AND SHIT RIGHT IN MY BACK CA

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I won because I killed their king and damsels immediately, then got assraped by their grail knights until my tanks ran out of ammo and my fire wizard ran out of magic to spam fireballs, then I had to ram their remaining trebuchets and peasant archers until they broke and ran

Karl's Gryphon has a scream ability that induces terror, extremely useful.

Without tanks I would've been rekt.

>>143784880
when traversing the mountains use underway travel

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>>143790958
>Don't have to worry about food for any faction
>No unit formations
>No weather
>Simple cities with simple buildings

What else did they fuck up that they already had the foundations for.

I don't have the pic but

1-2 Empire
3-4 Memeskins
5-6 Vampire Cunts
7-9 Chaos
Dubs- Stunties
0- reroll
Trips- Sigvald the memester

Odds Faction leader, Evens alternate leader

>>143789801
>modding the campaign is really hard
how so?

>>143791130
omg he is okay?

>>143791387
Managing food was boring as shit though, not a challenge at all.

>>143788609
CK2 is pure fantasy game borders,cultures and mechanics are very unrealistic

Any good youtubers to watch warhammer campaigns? I like Heir of Carthage but he's kind of bad at the game. Bit of a goofball too.

>>143791271

What the fuck

How did you even get that close to losing?

Demigryph's 1v1 anything. You can snipe their lord with your Witch hunter. You have fuckign steam tanks, which they have no effective counter for. Your entire army seems almost perfect for raping their asses, yet it was that close?

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>>143791504
Let's just remove everything you don't find challenging. Moving units around isn't challenging either. Get rid of it.

>tfw kemmler sucks and lore of vampires is ass

I just want to be the old necromancer

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>>143791387
No battlefield settlements. But that's about it imo, the rest of the game is sex

>>143791651
If it doesn't force the player to make an interesting decision it's an annoyance and a bad mechanic

Food never led to anyone making a tough choice

>>143791271

>All those gunners

Wouldn't they be pretty shit against Bretonnia?

Feels like you could have swapped them for basically anything else to be more effective.

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How do you make it so the battle difficulty is different from the campaign difficulty?

Also, any good mods to increase the campaign difficulty?

>>143791651
>I am low on food
>build food building

Gee what an interesting mechanic.

Nice strawman though.

>>143785891
>load times are awful
how so? how long does it take for you to load normally? takes me around 30sec but I'm pretty sure it's because my hard drive to fucked since it's making coffee maker noises and my computer starts sounding like an industrial fan whenever I start a a game like witcher 3 or TW:WH

How soon do you guys end your campaigns?
Empire--I went west and conquered all of the Bretons and figured there was nothing challenging after that.
Orc--Conquered all of the south and way outteched every human north.
Dwarf--Conquered most of the south and got bored of the tedium of grabbing corner settlements.

I don't know if I really like this campaign.

>>143790768
what turn are you on?

>>143791271

Micromanaging huge armies midbattle is a pain.

Unless you pause, the AI's biggest advantage is being able to see and react to everything that's going on all the time, something that player can't do with 20+ odd units.

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>>143791651
>charge a unit of fresh rank 5 Pistoleers into a Dwarf Cannon from behind
>the Pistoleers route first

>>143792179
76

After getting all the achievements possible as the faction I was playing as

>>143791976
I think their's an option in the menus to change 'battle difficulty'

>>143792247
That's why you pause.

>>143791985
Removing food just means there's less they can do, as it's just gone. Bad or good harvests are also gone. Armies suffering from attrition due to potentially bad harvests, gone. Higher or lower growth from the same, gone. Modders being able to work with it should they choose. Gone. While less important in a single player game, the ability to burn/affect an opponent's food supply, gone.

>>143792358
meant for
>>143792102

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POST FAVORITE FACTION

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>>143787956
>Lizardmen

Nigga you serious?

>>143792339
Not him but wait 40 or 50 turns more for proper Chaos!

>>143791130
Looks like the end of a porno.

>>143791735
It's more that Mannfred is a monster.

Its the same for all faction leaders, they outclass their second.

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So I got a quest for Himmler that says he's all fucked up or something ? That he's just wandering around now and sometimes his old self slips through. How the fuck is he an alternate leader then.

>>143792339
i think thats only in the first wave. think they start sending the serious stuff later on

>>143792665
Slayer king is pretty fucking strong

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>>143792560
S K E L L I E S

>>143792102
When I know I'm going to win I stop playing. I powered through the first campaign but when all that's left is like 100 or so turns of auto-resolving shit just get boring.

>>143792247
I use the slow motion ability occasionally for battles between two full stacks and above. It really comes in handy when I need to start casting six Invocations of Nehek on various parts of my battle line.

>>143792638
thatsthejoke.jpg

>>143792669
He was fucked up, he lost his power after he got his shit slapped, and he made a pact with the chaos gods to fix him up and get his power back. That's why he has a chaos blade as a quest item.

>>143790874
They confirmed Bretonnia in one of the streams

>>143792669
Karl Pilkington for LL when

>>143792731
Boost to slayers sucks compared to boost to Ironbreakers tho

>>143782858
Why did they make the world look like a retarded Earth?

>>143791642
>>143791958
>>143792247
No pauses
Maybe I'm just shit

My lines were like demigryphs first, then swordsmen with the empire guy supporting them so I could hit 'Hold the Line' when they got charged which worked out well.
Close behind them were my steam tanks, then behind that was the halberdiers spread out thin to defend the large number of gunners which were also spread out, with the witch hunter supporting them. I never actually used him since he broke and ran off like a little pussy the second the cavalry hit him.
Karl and my wizard were flying in the middle over my soldiers, immediately sent them after the enemy lord and fucked him up.

I chucked my cannons either end of my army and hammered the Bretonnians as they charged me, then fucked the middle of their army with my demigryphs.

Suddenly they had a load of pegasus knights who came in and distracted me by damaging my lord, so I sorted that out and when I came back my cavalry were trapped and dieing, then their grail knights hit both my artillery positions at once and basically ignored the spear men set to guard them.

My swordsmen died or ran, and my greatswordsmen were being buried by the enemies peasant archers and trebuchets.

At that point the cavalry finished with my guns, but not reached my tanks because my swordsmen were holding them off, and I broke their major cavalry's back with my halberdiers but their skirmisher yeomen cavalry pretty much sealed my infantries doom, and my riflemen had all broken and ran since they were flanked from the cavalry that hit my guns.

After a bit of fuckery I managed to get 3 teams of riflemen to form up and let em have it while they orgied on my tanks, of which I managed to extract 4 from the clusterfuck that was grail knights and peasant archers and yeomen.

Stuck the tanks up behind the guns, fired into clusterfuck and finished off most of their cavalry with that + wizard fireball spam
tbc

god fucking dammit

having a blast playing co-op with my brother, in a huge multi-army battle against VC and slowly winning then all of a sudden "Total War: Warhammer has stopped working"

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

i need a break.

>>143792665
Tbh there's no reason to take Necromancer lords when you have Vampires that do everything better.

Necromancer heroes are pretty okay for their campaign abilities.

>>143792871
Sorry I am slow.

>>143792939
Because people love stuff that feels familiar.

>>143793027
Pretty much.

Vampire Lords shouldn't have a lore.

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>>143792560

>>143792974
After that it was maybe 4 groups of 40 peasant archers or so, so I had Karl hit them with the Gryphon's terror scream and they ran like little bitches, and their trebuchets were hitting me like they were made in Morrowind, so I set my wizard to continue scaring the peasants and had my tanks, which were out of ammo at this point, ram the shit out of the trebuchets and their entire army was demoralized by the kill-dozers and ran.

They had enough troops to actually gang up and kill me easily, but I managed to take out their lords and damsels so they weren't coming back from that which I guess goes to show your lords are fucking important.

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>>143787571

Any good youtubers to watch warhammer campaigns? I like Heir of Carthage but he's kind of bad at the game. Bit of a goofball too

>>143793418
Why don't you just play the game?

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How do you get good?

>>143793174
Vampires should, they sustain themselves with magic.

Grand necromancer should have the lore of death.

>>143792927
Ungrim is unbreakable tho

you don't know how broken that can get

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>>143785946
Holy shit the history shit poster is back trying to skew the fact that Warhammer is a great addition and he won't get a new game for atleast 3 more years. Mad CA is sleeping with GW instead of your history books? C u c k

>>143793534
abuse the retard ai

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>>143788187

>>143793418
you can watch me desu i'll add you on steam and stream for you~

>>143793484
Don't always feel like playing and I'm not a big fan of TV.

>>143793608
Yeah unbreakable is probably why I won in >>143793273
>>143792974
>>143791271
Tanks are god

I wanna play Chaos but not autostack for 50 turns. 38 Marauder units is just so cost effective that I can't help it. It's the same thing with VC but at least they can establish decent tech pretty fast.

Also how the heck do I make the awakened tribes populate ruins/be useful?

>>143793697
Would you talk aswell or just stream the gameplay?

>>143793697
Difficulty(if SP) and faction?

>>143793679
>that fucking autism

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>>143792939
The same reason that this happened

>>143793698
That's fine. I still don't understand watching shit you can play just as well yourself.
Isn't there a third option to TW and Television?

>>143793679
>FOR 60 DOLLARS EACH

Why do all the autists in that thread just spout lies? Pretty much all of them have some lie in their post.

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>60 turns into VC faction
>Cant drum up the interest to keep playing them
>Neither can I for Dwarves
>Or Chaos
help me

>>143793174
No no no. That'd just make the entire faction shit. Vampires should have better battlefield effects, and Necromancers should have strategic and campaign map advantages. Also, just making the spells Necromacers can use better and more useful would go a long way.

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I've started playing Rome 2 for the first time.

I feel like someone has given me a delicious cheesecake, but they have taken a shit all over it. And the biggest insult isn't that there's shit on my cheesecake, but that there's been shit on everybody's cheesecake and the restaurant hasn't done anything about it in two years.

But I still want the cheesecake.

>>143793418
>>143793792
Do people prefer to have someone talking when doing videos of game campaigns? I've always wanted to do a couple but I have no audience and don't really want to narrate things and just put emphasis on the gameplay itself.

>>143794010
More than three, but clearly I'm looking to relax and watch something game related.

>>143794059
Same problem here. While the differences in factions is great, I really would like some different starting Positions. I really want to play Human renaissance guys again, but playing from the same starting position feels too samey.

>>143794115
It's perfectly passable now.

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What the FUCK did you just say about Sigmar, you little shit?

>>143793792
can you even stream voice chat over steam? it'd only be me cussing and complaining over whatever dumb shit is happening.
>>143793820
i'd either be resuming my orkz playthrough on normal or i could play hummies (haven't tried them yet) on hard

>>143794125
I like the narration but when it's useful information about the game or what the plan is to move forward. Watching a guy spout memes or talk to people about bullshit while streaming sucks.

>>143794203
Isn't there another game you're interested in that you can watch content of that surpasses what you can do were you to play it yourself?

>Check Europa Barbarorum 2 after like 10 years
>It's still not done.

I know they are very autistic but this is too much.

>>143794296
>DISMOUNTED REIKSGUARD HANDGUNNERS
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

>>143794125
Well I guess general gameplay is more itneresting for someone on deciding to get the game or not. Which is fine but to me it's interesting to listen to peoples opinion ons game I like.
That's actually the reason I often watch reviews after playing or watching something. I wanna see what people have to say about it.