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>IF OUR DAIMYO EDITION
>FAQs & General Info
http://pastebin.com/gZ1T9VCN (embed)

>Steam Groups
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/totalwargeneral
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/twgmp

>Total War Warhammer
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Mods -- http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2191-Total-War-WARHAMMER-Modifications

>>143659920
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>Quintipple the damage on Gyrobomber's bombs
>all 11 of them killed a whooping 60 Orc Boyz
Fucking christ.
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>four days since the release of TW:W
>still no mod that gives Kislev Slavic aesthetic
>still no mod that gives Estalia Spanish aesthetic
>still no mod that gives Tilea Italian aesthetic
>still no mod that gives the Border Princes ______ aesthetic
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http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700
http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700
http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700
http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700
http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700

Remember to vote!
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How do I into naval combat for Shogun?
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>>143681485
Has anybody datamined the tables for unimplemented units?
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>>143681679
border princes are basically nobles from the empire who said fuck it i want to get cucked by orcs
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>>143681723
Auto Resolve
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>>143681403

>Empire have it easy. They really only need to unite the realm plus eliminate the vamps which is easily done because the VC never really expands much even on higher difficulty.

Well, they also have to deal with dorfs and frenchmen and snowniggers every now and then.

But overall I wouldn't call their campaign easy, it's more like 'balanced'. It's a solid starting position, they have solid units, solid diplomacy. It's a reasonable campaign and I would even argue and say it's the best.
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>>143681679

>no faction banner mod

NOOT NOOT
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>>143681719
Man, I cannot express enough how much no one cares.
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>>143681485
>Fall of the Samurai
>Not using Darthmod
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>>143681769
Orcs are physically incapable of cucking.
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This "shield of civilization" is a neat thing, a complete opposite of real divide
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>>143681723
NANBAN
A
N
B
A
N

seriously, they make naval fights trivial, autoresolving or not, you only have to drink the Jesus koolaid
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>>143681653
Gyrobombers require smart micro use anon.

You have to use them to shatter enemy morale, otherwise its pointless if you expect the "boom BOOM" to kill them.

It's a tactical shiv in the enemies back, the straw to break the camel, as we strategists like to say
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How do I replace lords who have been injured as chaos w/o starting a new army?
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>>143681485
I will unironically buy Blood DLC for Bamhamms, I'm not even kidding.
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>Always liked Warhammer and enjoyed TW even though I'm shit at it
>Don't want to shell out 60 eurobucks, especially considering it might not work well on my PC
>Really counting on TWWH getting a crack in the next few weeks
>Tell myself it would even be better to wait, the patches and mods would roll out and resolve the most annoying issues
>Can't wait and it's a gamble anyway
>Tell myself it's even better that way, expansions might roll out in the next few months and the game will get better
>Can't wait even more, literally cucking myself stalking the general like some retarded masochist
>Really considered buying it after payday, but 60 eurobucks is a lot for me and I wouldn't even get chaos which just increases the loss further

I think I fucked up anons, what should I do? I wish I could settle some grudges.
Or tip my bascinet to m'ladies.
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>>143681653
Waiting for those stat mods, senpai.
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>>143681771
>>143681723

This.

Just auto-resolve.Naval battles are better in R2 and forward but before then I'd just stick with auto-resolve.

>>143681679

Modders cannot import new models, that's why.
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>people already complaining about how difficult the campaign is
>Bretonnia, Wood Elves, and Tomb Kings haven't even been added in
>smallest map Total Warhammer will have
>Only 5 out of 16 major factions playable
>Only 11 distinct factions in out of 30+
>shortest campaign Total Warhammer will have
>Current late-game will become future early mid-game
>when the game is finally one massive map
>Kurgans and Finngols will be added and supplement a more numerous, superior Horsemen unit
>Chaos Daemons actually get added in at the poles
>Beastmen ambush any army that go through the forest
>Lizardmen pulling sunset invasions
>Druchi razing coastal settlements
>Skaven overrun Tilea and Estalia by turn 20
>Albion will be Pontus
>Chaos Dwarfs will overcome the Dwarfs
>Ogres tribes will eventually make it west
>Tomb Kings cluster the badlands even more
>actual Chaos Undivided army will be formed late game that brings in the End Times

Unless they add the entire map in such as the poles, Cathay, Ind, and Nippon. Then Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres Kingdoms, and Tomb Kings will have no flank to fight on.
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I miss my high elf archer lines with powerful cavalry from the medieval 2 mod.
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>>143681973
I have mid-range setup and it runs tolerably well for me.
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>>143681963
You can trade units between lords, have them close by on the map.
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>>143681916
>expecting literal bombs to kill people
What was he even thinking.
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>>143681973
it's a good game, the gameplay is actually really fun and there are a good number of units. you can get chaos for free still
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>>143681263
Dude seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. The main barrier to the hobby besides its niche appeal has always been the steep price of starting. That is a long known fact to the wargaming community.

Fantasy suffers a great deal more from this because it cost so much more to get started.

I'd even argue that fantasy likely has a greater possible reach because the people who are likely to enjoy this sort of hobby would likely be into pen and paper RPGs etc. and therefore lean more towards fantasy than sci-fi.

40k is easy to get started with, throw down $200 and you can get a whole starting army with multiple, interesting units.

$200 in fantasy will get you maybe a unit of bog-standard infantry in big fuck off rows for you to paint.
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>>143681973
>60 eurobucks
stop using Steam goy, got mine for 40€ with Chaos included

also, it runs decently well on my shitty laptop
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>>143682092
Well, at least that's good.
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>>143681907

Not in 1st Edition.

Man, the 80s was a crazy time.

>>143681973

Buy it at GMG, or G2A or G2Play or Kinguin or any key-site.

Check GMG first though, they're a legit and authorized seller.
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>>143681832
You only really need to deal with snowniggers. I ended up in military alliances with the frenchmen and the dorfs. Really you only have to not antagonize them and as soon as Chaos pops up as a common enemy, you are making defensive/military alliance already.
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No idea why this faggot wants to go at war with me. I don't even have Marienburg.
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>Azhag the "Slaughterer" on hard
>send him to 1v1 the enemy boss
>gets his ass beat, flees in terror and nearly dies while the boys handle shit and win the battle
>has to leave depleted orcs and a bunch of goblins to deal with this fuck

i'm so glad I installed the Azhag early wyvern mod, that wyvern is literally the only thing he's good for
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>>143682003
>Modders cannot import new models

this is a catastrophe
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>>143682120
ok nm I found it

IF YOUR General is injured from assassination, you can go to the general you wish to replaces' detail screen (by clicking onhis level on his portrat), then in the bottom left there is the boot where you can kick him out and replace him with your healed general
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>Random savage orcs pillage Grunberg
>Random savage orcs raze Grunberg
>next turn Wissenland colonizes Grunberg
>my army was 4 turns away
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>>143681916
But then you might as well just get another Quareller or Irondrakes. Gyrobomber's are disgustingly cost inefficient and just like the Luminarch there's no point in using them. At all.

>decuple the damage (1200 for bombs and 2640 for grenades)
>result is 52 dead Orcs from the bombs and 33 dead Orcs from the grenades
Fucking christ.
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>>143681832
>But overall I wouldn't call their campaign easy
>they have solid units
>not the best units in every category
Nice joke.
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>>143682349
Why would you do that? It puts your primary general out of commission for like 4 turns. He would've healed by then.
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wew lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYCKSibapBc
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>>143682203
>orc females used to be angry asian housewives
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>>143682073
I'm ready
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>>143682285
Just play Grimgor then you little bitch.
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>>143682291

It is, and CA will probably not release one, which means we're going to be stuck with shitty reskins for a long time.

I have no idea why any developer want to hinder modders. Give them the tools they want and need. Half-Life and Doom is still played today because of awesome modding.
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>>143681679
Border Princes are the Adriatic powers
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>>143682465
No I'm saying, when your general is injured, you need to choose a replacement general.

AFter he is healed, that is how you replace him (this matters when your'e chaos because you can't just form another army with him w/o spending growth)
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>>143682481
Why does every mod for the Empire always end up covering the Empire's weaknesses?
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REMINDER THAT TWC IS BUTTBLASTED
LOOK AT THEM AND LOL
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What's the best way to play as the Empire?

>Conquer everyone and unite the Empire early in the game
>Don't conquer anyone except Marienburg until Chaos is finished and then confederate the Empire
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>>143682639
Oh, I see your point now. My mistake.
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>>143682130
I know I could still get chaos, but if were to buy it, it would be after payday. And that's no free chaos.

>>143682203
>>143682159

>GMG
First time I heard about it, good to know. Even 40 eurobucks is a lot for me (sorry for being poor). 40 usd is pushing it usually; for a game that I will mostly play in SP. Recent AAA prices just fuck me, since I'm from a poorer country. It's even worse with the USD=EURO shit.
Nothing I can do really (except praying for that crack), just wanted to vent.
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Am I missing something or are Vampire Lords complete shit.

Around turn 50 I have Dwarfs and Humans all trying to war me, the lack of any ranged unit makes fights stupidly annoying against ranged cavalierly, and it seems they have an awful as fuck economy so building up a good army takes forever.
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>>143682697
link to some buttblasting plz
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>>143682770
this

i want to see
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http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302
http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302
http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302

Survey time. Let's see what kind of players we've got in /twg/.
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>>143682669
Not really fond of mods like that but I'm too much of a dismounted reiksguard fanboy to pass that up
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>>143682157

copy pasting my own from the previous thread.

>You have no idea how popular Dawn of War and Caiaphas Cain are, do you?

You have no idea how popular warhammer was before those do you? the popularity didn't come from those at all, it came from the tabletop first. Kids bought 40k, talked to their friends about it, their friends that didn't want to buy minis got into it through other means. Everyone knew someone that played warhammer. The older guys who were in that space marine movie literally talked about how all their grandkids or kids were into it at some point.

>Miniatures wargaming is an extremely niche hobby.

Not warhammer, which was the entire point, it's why GW spent so long focusing on making sure they had stores everywhere that you could just go to and play the game. It's a big part of why it kicked off, removing barriers to entry got people into it.

>Those are barriers for me

Shockingly price and number of minis were both mentioned separately.

>Warhammer Fantasy has... Bloodbowl...

Half of what you listed are specialist games made by GW which have fantasy equivalents in dreadfleet, mordheim, etc. Another bunch are black library novels of which the fantasy ones are far better written.

The only licensed things are dark heresy/rogue trader, fire warrior and dawn of war.

40k is more popular, because it is more popular, or should I say was; because it was more popular, it got more people trying to make money from it, because it had that, it got big budget games thrown at it. Dark Omen and Shadow of the Horned rat are better games than any 40k one, but they weren't big budget PC titles. More popularity leads to more exposure, and that popularity started at the lower price and effort entry points.

GW made it not niche by having stores for you to play at with terrain made for you to use, having beginner friendly nights dedicated pretty much to kids who could only field small armies to start with, etc. Make it easy to start and the kids play.
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blood dlc when
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Where should I go as Archaon? Stay in the north and fuck around making tribes, or should I be fucking with Kislev from the get go?
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>>143682285
He's a spellcaster, of course he's going to get wrecked in a straight up fight.
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>>143660383

Their mounted archers are brilliant especially with the wolf rider buff, smash into the enemy with melee, wolf and spider riders swing round and kill their archers, then a few units of wolf archers speed round and sit behind the enemy firing into them as they fight, also the ability to deploy out of deployment zones. Gobbo spears can hold their own and spider riders are great.
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>>143682616
>I have no idea why any developer want to hinder modders.
DLC you silly goyim. CA is such a jewish company I think the meeting with GW was just a huge fuck orgy with sniffing powdered shekels because they finally found their soulmate.
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>>143682852
>can only pick one
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>>143682747
sorry to hear, give "Warhammer: Mark of Chaos" a go if you are craving some Total war x Warhammer action don't bother if you are running windows 10 tho
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>>143683068
No.
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>>143681832
>solid
>best cav, best infantry, best arty
Well, technically it's "solid".

>>143682697
link I always liked some buttblasting
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>>143683068
You can select multiple though.
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>>143683051

Pic related.
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>>143683170
>>143683247

Damn, I always thought that was the case
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>>143681765
I think there's a careful balance to be had regarding magic.

The Lords themselves are OP as it is. Do you really want spellcasters with godpowers?

>>143682157
>I'd even argue that fantasy likely has a greater possible reach because the people who are likely to enjoy this sort of hobby would likely be into pen and paper RPGs etc. and therefore lean more towards fantasy than sci-fi.

You are a good example of a long term fan who cannot understand why his game isn't more popular.

40k does everything that Warhammer Fantasy does, but adds a science fiction element to it. That is why 40k beat its predecessor.

Warhammer Fantasy offers nothing unique in and of itself in comparison to 40k. In fact, WF is SO limited that it is often regarded as merely taking place on a planet within 40k.

Warhammer Fantasy got ASSIMILATED by 40k. It is no longer considered as independent or a predecessor, but rather a feudal world trapped in statis by a warp storm.

>40k is easy to get started with, throw down $200 and you can get a whole starting army with multiple, interesting units.
>$200 in fantasy will get you maybe a unit of bog-standard infantry in big fuck off rows for you to paint.

And $200 dollars in vidya and books means you do not have to paint anything, do not have to schedule matches or go anywhere, do not have to rely on specialty shops, and in general have far less bullshit to put up with when GW decides to change something.

I certainly respect both Warhammer wargames in equal measure, but the main barrier is certainly not price. Maybe it is something that people in the hobby consider, but those outside of it look at the work that needs to go into it first rather than just "hmm, a bunch of unpainted toys. These look fun to do... something with..."

You're on the inside looking inward, but I'm on the outside looking in, so I consider far more factors than you do. 40k being cheap is a GW meme anyway to justify AoS, which fails for the same reason WF fails.
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>>143683161
Thanks, but I bought Mark of Chaos on release. Good times, less responsibilities, better prices. Oh, the amounts of shitty games I bought when I was a teen.
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>>143683003
Kislev if you can handle it.
Fucking around in the north just gives them too much time to prepare for you. Unless you want a serious challenge.
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>>143683324
>do you really want spellcasters with magic?
Yes.
>do you really want magic to be viable and so represent another aspect of tactical gameplay?
Yes.
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>>143683324

>It is no longer considered as independent or a predecessor, but rather a feudal world trapped in statis by a warp storm.

I wish they went with this instead of AoS.
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>>143682852
>other
I like action games, RPGs, and building games. Total war is the only strategy game I play with any regularity
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-27-total-war-warhammer-is-the-fastest-selling-total-war-game-ever
>fantasy was a mistake, /his/fags said
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>>143683498
None of the Above is the "other" option.

Nobody is assuming TW are the only games you ever play, I was mostly interested in the different strategy genres because they're closest to TW.
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Can you savescum hero actions into success?
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https://www.mediafire.com/?6t44a4ahwk5k9qt
This mod increases the damage on the Gyrobomber's/Gyrocopter's bombs/grenades by x5.

https://www.mediafire.com/?puabaab832avfo9
This is the 10x version.

Please note that it won't work with another mod that modifies the projectiles_explosions_tables and projectiles_tables due to some weird PFM fuckery that won't let me change subtable names.

I also increased the damage a bit on the Gyrobomber's machine gun (+4 normal damage and +8 AP) because it did fuckall.


Is it balanced? I don't know. All I know is that Gyro's are useless and this might make them viable and fun to use.

By the way, if you want to do any changes yourself (it's super easy) just get the PFM http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?730823-PFM-4-0-Warhammer-support and start poking around in the tables.
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Lads post some TWC butthurt please
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>VC
>Unify Sylvania
>Destroy all other Vampires and some humans.
>Become best friends with the Dwarfs and the Empire.
>Unified front to stop Chaos.
>Not sure what should be my best army to fight against Archaeon.

Are Terrogeists worth the effort? With a slew of Graveguards, Black Knights, and perhaps Vargeists?
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>>143682487
>say no to racism
>wears glasses to disguise her asian features
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>>143683703
>I'm sure some of them are good people
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>>143683324
>AoS, which fails for the same reason WF fails.

>setting does nothing unique
>change to be sometihng unique
>same problem

You're not even being coherent any more. What fantasy media have you even read/played, because it sounds like TWW might actually be your first exposure outside of hearing about it.

40k beat fantasy because it got the kids into it, it's got guns, kids think guns are cool, it's cheaper, so their parents are more likely to buy it for them and they can have more varied toys for the same price and they don't have to assemble as many of them and paint them. It's -all- about getting the kids into it. It's why Warmachine isn't nearly as popular, or any number of other mini games.
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>>143683304
>our arrows will pierce their hearts.jpg
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Man this battle was really intense
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>Lords get worse with flying mounts

Who did this?
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>>143683703
you insensitive piece of shit

obviously she has to wear sunglasses because she's asian and if she had to squint her eyes in the sun she'd be closing her eyes
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>>143683324
>>143683491
The problem is, the universe of 40k is also contained within a snow globe on someones desk
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do the AI actually follow the war target?
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>>143683678
Terrorgeists are good at disrupting the enemy backline and fucking up other large monsters, but they're not all that great in melee. Vargeists are the opposite, better in melee but less mobile and not as good vs other monsters. Both are pretty good.

Black Knights are a bit lacklustre. They're not bad, but not great either compared to other elite cav. Graveguards will likely be your backbone (at least they were for me) unless you want to go with the spooky wraiths (they're overrated IMO) of go with endless masses of skellies (some guy in the previous thread said it worked for him, but I don't like it).
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>>143682756
Vamps have the best cavalry in the game, the best spell in the game and loads of big monsters

Just fucking send some flying cunt after the cavalry that's shooting you
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>>143684060

Yes.

To the best of its ability
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>>143684150
>Vamps have the best cavalry in the game
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>>143682697
>>143683209
>>143682826
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?731097-Would-you-call-TW-Warhammer-a-step-forward/page7
this entire thread
Loving
Every
Laugh
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>>143682852
Big fan of all turn based games and GS but I can't stand anything rts outside of total war, I just don't like the need for mechanical talent in my tactics games
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>>143683324
Nice meme, I never actually played Fantasy. The price of entry was too high. I play 40k.

>40k does everything that Warhammer Fantasy does, but adds a science fiction element to it.

See that's actually not an upside to a lot of people, there are more fans of sword and sorcery in the related areas of tabletop games than there are sci-fi fans. You preferring a sci-fi setting is a subjective opinion, not an objective improvement.

Fantasy got rekt because it wasn't making Gee Dubs as much money as 40k.

>And $200 dollars in vidya and books means you do not have to paint anything, do not have to schedule matches or go anywhere

See this is just proving you have no idea about this subject. These are features that people like.
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>>143684150

>best cavalry

Demigryphs.
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>>143684217
We'll see if the mountain jews will actually come and help with the fight against chaos
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>>143684038
>the 40k universe is contained in a snow globe on a desk in the Fantasy universe which is contained in a Warp Storm in the 40k universe which is contained in a snow globe on a desk in the Fantasy universe which is contained in a Warp Storm in the 40k universe which is contained in a snow globe on a desk in the Fantasy universe
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>>143682481

ARMORED SLAYERS WHEN
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>>143683324
>I think there's a careful balance to be had regarding magic.

>The Lords themselves are OP as it is. Do you really want spellcasters with godpowers?

Honestly yes because right now the only good spellcasting lords are the ones who are also warriors
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>>143684458
Radious pls.
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>>143684458
wait for Radious :)
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>>143684038
Didn't that get retconned forever ago?
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>>143684289

>they're all completely ignoring that this game is based on a tabletop and half that shit they want wouldn't fit one bit

I do want Dogs of War though.
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>>143683324
I like how you reply to two posts and are totally wrong about both
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>>143684436
ayyo son
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>>143684150
>best cavalry
Demigryphs

>best spell
Lots of people have spirit leech
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>>143683324
>Do you really want spellcasters with godpowers?

Consdering that fighty lords have godpowers, yes I do.

I want to be able to pick Kemmler over Baldfred the Edgehog without horribly gimping myself with a LL that performs worse in combat than a stock vampire lord.
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>>143684289
>http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?731097-Would-you-call-TW-Warhammer-a-step-forward/page7
hahahahah
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>>143682481
>dismounted reiksguard
>10k hp
>120 armor
jesus
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>Join a 4v4 siege as attacker
>Pick Brettonia and use Leoncour with 19 paladins on pegasi
>Slaughter everything and kill Manfred on the zombie dragon in 20 seconds
Oh
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>>143684558
>>143684567

>Radious

Not even once.
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>>143682669
Because empire are already insanely strong so you can't reasonably make them better at the stuff they're good at
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when i only had one stack of shit units i had 6k income

now i have 3 stacks of good units and only 1k income

i wish i had more income
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>cast that spell on a unit that heals and resurrects dead units
>heals a bees dick of HP and raises 1 person

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
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>>143684436
It was a little jape aimed at the other game, that way neither game could say they're the one that "mattered"

Because to the other game it was just some insignificant little thing.

>>143684578
Both did.
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Why is auto-resolve so heavily favoured for the player? Any mods that address this? Going to fight the battle ingame and the odds are reversed against you, makes no sense.
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>Sorcerer Lord with Mark of Khorne
>Watched by Khorne suffix
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>>143684679
bless you tzeentch
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>>143684289
>>143684587
Yeah they don't understand that the mercs of the setting (Dogs) are also their own army

It'd be a bit shit to just have normal mercs in a warhammer game whilst ignoring dogs
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This game with CK2 diplomacy would be great
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Now that the dust has settled would people recommend this or are you already in the buyer's remorse stage?
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>>143684690
This isn't a fucking contest mate, it's a reply to someone claiming their shit and shit against range
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>>143685065
No, this is the longest I've played a game in a long time.
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>>143684958
>be sorcerer of a god who wishes you never existed
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>>143685065
The best option is to WAAAGH!
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>>143684953

>AppData\Roaming\The Creative Assembly\Warhammer\scripts

There's a line there you can edit auto-resolve difficulty.
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>>143685065
If you want another total war or a warhammer game there's no reason you'd dislike it

Plus it runs way better than the last few tw games for me
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>>143685065
It's pretty good.
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>>143684289
Meh, for a lot of them I can sort of see where they're coming from.

It's just that if I want diplomacy and economic management in my games, Total War is the very last place I'd look. I'd sooner go to one of the Paradox historical games. The thing I want out of Total War is WAR, not spreadsheet simulators.

And then I see posts that say "I only play for the management part and autoresolve all battles so I don't care about how good the battles are or how different the armies are" are just... why the everloving fuck are they playing Total War in the first place? How stupid are these people? It's one thing to enjoy the simple managment parts of TW, but to play the game only for the economy aspect is like becoming a baseball player because you like stadium hotdogs.
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>>143684289
>I have not played it myself, but I have watched enough gameplays and reviews on youtube to know exactly what this game plays like.
Every. Fucking. Time.
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>>143685109
>This isn't a fucking contest mate
Then why are you claiming they're the best, when they obviously aren't?
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>>143685392

I don't mind management stuff and exapnded 4x features, but Warhammer is totally the wrong setting for that.
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>>143685548
they are the best, vamps have multiple great cavalry options whilst empire just have the one

But given that you're evidently just parroting shit you read here it really wasn't worth pointing that out to you
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>>143684830
I think the healing spell scales in a weird way.

When I use it on skellies it heals quite a lot, but when I use it on cavalry it resurrects like one dude and then goes away.
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>completed all objectives for long campaign victory as VH dwarfs except the one to have no grudges (both short and long campaign require that)
>the only grudge I have is to assasinate a Varg agent
>move all agents and armies north
>they have no agents
>need to raze them to the ground
>actually find an agent
>try to assassinate him with 4 heroes, with no success
>in the meantime, get another grudge to get level 15 engineer hero
>don't have any engineers
JUST FUCK MY CAMPAIGN UP
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STUNTIES STUNTIES GET OUT GET OUT OF HERE YOU KRUMPIN STUNTIES WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>143685392
For detailed diplomacy and whatever total war would need a much bigger map and an entirely different setting

There's no point in it when the ultimate aim is still to conquer
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>>143685204
t. Kyras
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>Mannfred declaring war and invading my mountains just because I assassinated a few of his characters

What a fucking git.
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>>143685649
Nigger, I've played over 300 turns of VC.

Their cavalry options are decent and definitely useful, but to claim they're the best is bullshit. Stop playing on easy and don't be a condescending prick if you don't know what you're talking about.
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>Reading about High Elf units

How can anything fight these guys? Will they have the lowest unit count in the game?

Although i'd be more excited if they added the Skaven or Tomb Kings first.
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>>143685707
I have a grudge for a faction that no longer exists
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>>143685742

Bet you couldn't even get past Barak Varr.
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>>143684289
>same advisor for every faction
Considering hes ruled by the lord of change you see later I think this is acceptable.
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>>143685885
>being afraid of elves

Back in your cave Gobbo.
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>>143685392
this
and the war part is especially true with Warhammer, which is really not about diplomacy, supply lines or town upkeep (well, with respect to Skaven fucking shits it kinda is)
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>>143685392
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.
>if I wanted this feature in a game I'd go to another game because I put arbitrary limits on this one because I'm retarded
Total war can be about war if you want it to, Total war, given what it is and not taking it just by its name, should also be able to be about politics if you want it to. Besides, tell me that your goal when you play CK2 isn't to paint the map your color.
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>>143685871
yeah exactly you have a made up claim and don't even pretend to have played empire

you have no fucking clue, hell if you did you would've replied to that poster instead of just shittalking good advice because it ran counter to your EMPIRE THE BEST meme posts
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>>143685885
Before 8th came and ruined everything, their weakness lay in relatively low defenses and low strength, making them less effective against armoured units.
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>>143685742
>orcs have literal green stunties in their armies
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>>143686119
Retard.
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>>143685885
Skaven are gonna be one of the expansions/follow up games unfortunately

>>143686215
exactly you have nothing to contribute so stick to petty insults and shut the fuck up
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Any point to Big Un's and Orc Boyz after you unlock Black Orcs?
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DEFINITIVE GUIDE TO VAMPIRE UNITS

GOD TIER
-VARGHULF
-BLACK KNIGHTS
-TERRORGHEIST
-VARGHEIST
-MANNFRED ON ZOMBIE DRAGON
-GRAVEGUARD WITH GREAT WEAPONS
-BATS
-WOOF WOOF DOGGIES

NEVER USE THIS SHIT TIER
-hexwraith
-cairnwraith
-black coach
-zombies
-normal skellingtons
-Kemmler
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>>143686325
Not really.
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>>143685885

In TT and fluff they were bullshit.
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692306546&searchtext=

Has anyone tried this? Does it work well?
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>>143686118
Way to miss the point, moron.

Nobody is saying those things shouldn't be part of war. But even at the very best, the economy is but an extremely simplistic aspect of Total War games that only exists to give context to the battles. If you were really interested in playing a straight up economy simulator, you really shouldn't look for it in Total War because Total War games are really, really bad at being economy simulators.
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Gelt is the most useless LL I've played yet.

I just spammed that first fire magic he has on a blob of swordsman at the beginning of the game and at the end of the battle he killed just 1 guy.

Is this normal?
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>>143685885
Their mightiest weapon was the plot armor, they were essentially the Speesh Muhreens of fantasy.
>How does it come that a dying race can casually sacrifice 10k men in every battle?
>"There will be as many Elves as the plot demands"
t. Gav Thorpe
I guess they might counter their overpowerness in every single way by high recruitment costs/upkeep.
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>>143686351

>Black Knights god tier

nice meme
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>>143686289
Makes me wonder how the Skaven are going to be implemented into the game given how weak the Goblins are.
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>>143685885
Probably. That or they'll be expensive as shit.

I expect elf lords to cost obscene amounts of money for custom battles.

>>143686118
Just because 2 things are great, doesn't necessarily mean they play well together.
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>>143681838
Why does the Empire use skulls and skeletons and shit when the Vampire Counts are threatening them right there
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AI being as frustrating as ever. What do I do in this situation? I want bearsonlings to be ok, they're my vassal and I know everyone is gonna try to obliterate em. Can I engage in a battle from transport ships? Or am I absolutely powerless to stop this piece of shit
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>>143686629
Counts are actually just part of the empire when they aren't going war crazy
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>>143686351
I wouldn't use Black Knights to be honest. They're bad at melee, and for flanking and chasing down cavalry you're better off using beasts.
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>>143686571

Cuhrazy siege engies hopefully.

Globadiers/Warpstone Thrower teams, lots of extremely cheap, expendable horde units.
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>>143683324
>Warhammer Fantasy got ASSIMILATED by 40k. It is no longer considered as independent or a predecessor, but rather a feudal world trapped in statis by a warp storm.

It's literally exactly the other way around nigger. The first editions even had cross-overs between the two universes, which has completely stopped in later editions. There were models with bolters available to Chaos I shit ye not.
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>>143686689

You can do naval battles, they're just auto-resolved.
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>>143686629
Stirland borders Sylvania, because of that it's poor shithole no one really want to live in.So naturally Stirlanders are grim and cynical folk.
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>>143686535
I'm the moron this guy says.

Total War titles are bad at it because they don't put any work into it. And why don't they, you handicapped twelve year old? Because of idiots like you that say,
"Muh total war should be only war"
"I'd play another game if I wanted politics"
Other Idiot shit like that. You should shoot yourself before it's too late.
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>>143686560
It's a setting about war, of course they're not going to dwell overly long about the ramifications on population, the empire should suffer the same problem but no one talks about that. Because it's not important most of the time.

besides the high elves play the part of the artillery for the "good guys"
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>>143686745
I hope they'll have some sort of exemption to the current thing where units avoid shooting where they're going to cause friendly fire.
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FUCK YOU VAMPIRES STOP CHARGING INTO MY SHIT GODDAMN
I DIDN'T WANT TO WAGE WAR WITH YOU YET STOP SPAMMING ME WITH DOOMSTACKS
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>>143686940

>doomstacks

They're only zombies and skellingtons, anon.
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>>143686542
Lots of damage spells get fucked because they don't scale with unit sizes. Particularily aoe ones.
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>>143686847
You shouldn't have dropped out of preschool, maybe you would have picked up some reading comprehension somewhere along the line.

Once again, nobody is saying it SHOULDN'T be a part of the game, just that it's a SHIT part of the game and that playing TW games ONLY for the SHIT parts is a BAD IDEA.

Wanting the shit parts to be BETTER is understandable, but it's somethig else entirely than saying "I ONLY play TW for the economy and skip the actual GOOD parts of the game".
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>>143687104
That sucks.

Is there a mod to fix this? Did they say anything about when they patching this?
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>>143686629
Because in a world where plenty of different races exist, skulls are the symbols of Humanity
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>>143687297

They haven't made any official statement as far as I know, but they most definately know about it.

You could play on smaller unit sizes, but that would mean you'd get instakilled by certain spells instead because they deal flat damage.
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>>143686523
Haha, oh man never mind. I just took a look through the changes he did and the absolute madman actually increased the number of missile units and artillery for some factions.
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>>143686560
I'd always thought the Chaos Warriors were the Space Marines of fantasy. Huge ass walking rape machines with armor.
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>>143686542
offensive magic is ass, you need to use debuffs and buffs, and gelt is the only metal sorceror empire can have so he has his uses
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>>143687446
Would medium/high size offset this?

LOL BALANCE
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Does anyone else have problem with "blurr" taking up 3/4 of the screen? How do I get rid of it?
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>>143684830
use it on wraiths and hexs, can practically resurrect the entire unit, especially if you overcast it.
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Medium difficulty is too easy for me but i rectal ragnaroked every time i try to play on hard no matter what faction, how do i git gud?
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Zombies are the best vampire count unit

Every blow targeting them is a blow your elites are not getting
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Might send a zoggin great expedition to save the humies from the ded humies. Just to show them that Grimgor is da best.
>>
SUMMON
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>>143687649
Space marines are versatile, with no real glaring weakness besides low body count. Chaos Warriors have one thing they're good at.
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>>143687729
Even Orcs? You can just raid until you get a Waaagh then you've got double the number of stacks.
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>>143686940

>Friend is playing VC.
>Fights other Vamps.
>Leads a broke army of like four units of Skeletons and one Vargulf along with some Zombies.
>Kills their leader.
>Gets legendary win and achievement.
>Manfred kills 300 alone.

You just kill their leader and surround them and they literally turn into dust. And if their Lord is a Necro they are literally old ass men who die so fast.
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>>143687870
They are called corrective lenses,see an optometrist..
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>>143687729
Learn to cheese the AI, Chaos doesn't come until you reach a certain imperium level so you can build up before. Also don't put your armies in a position where they can get gang banged try to gang bang them yourself. Consider lowering the battle difficulty to normal because giving the AI units flat bonuses is bullshit.
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jesus fuck finally
completed all the territorial campaign objectives by turn 130, the rest 60 turns was running around eradicated all the factions i had grudges agaianst

>>143685951
that means you actually can't win the campaign
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>>143687870
Looks normal to me.
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>>143687734
Or you could just bring more elites who can be more than just be cannon fodder, especially considering that losing elites is less bad for VCs than for other factions since you have a chance to get them back for free at the end of every battle.
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What will end up being the most broken OP faction when warhams is complete?
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>>143688112
Helves.
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When choosing difficulty at campaign selection screen, does it also make the battle difficulty harder?
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>>143688112
Skaven have a good chance depending on implementation.

Other than that High or Dark Elves might be busted because of how retarded their lords will be.
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>>143688112

Pontus
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>>143686542
i don't think magic is counted on the killscreen

but offensive magic, outside spirit leech and fireball is underwhelming
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>>143688195
>a
>>143688204

what do you mean?

Aren't elves basically glass cannons?

>>143688205
who is pontus??
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>>143685951

Destroy all buildings where that faction used to be. Raid it. Have them Rebel and take the settlement. They should reform perhaps?
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>>143688112
daemons of chaos
>>
>The Journey's End - complete all quest battles for a character

I finished three of Karl's quests, and thee of Gelt's quests. Is there more?
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>>143688112
Depends entirely on how they're implemented.

Based entirely on my own guesswork, I'd say High Elves will be the best and Lizardmen the worst.
>>
How do I get my Warhammer Lore up to a basic level? I know the basics of 40k, but I don't know shit about fantasy warhammer
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>>143688021
3/4 of the screen are so blurry, I can hardly tell what's going on in battles.

compare the upper left quarter section to the rest. you can see a line, like a square.
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>>143688204

I seriously fucking hope they don't make Tyrion an option. fuck that mary sue fag.
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>>143681973
fuck im in the same spot

on one hand i love TW and the Warhammer setting but on the other hand my mouth is still sour from Rome 2 being shit & Attila crashing every 30 minutes
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>>143682073
>Current late-game will become future early mid-game
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
>>
FUCKING AGENTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

level 8 witch hunter shouldnt have 22% chance to kill level1 exalted hero
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>>143688197
yes, you can change battle difficulty in the in-game menu though
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>>143688408
>implying Tyrion and Teclis won't be the LL options for High elves
>>
>Can't have DME and ACW both installed for Empire
fuck my shit up
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>>143688408
If they didn't want to do Mary Sues how could they implement helves at all?
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>>143688408
Oh come on he's not that bad. Plus his shagging the everqueen in secret did fuck up nagash. Either way Teclis is almost certainly gonna be a lord.

>>143688290
Fantasy elves are noldor style "look at us the wrong way and we will fuck you up"

They're very, very good at fighting, and the most veteren wizards in the empire have only achieved 1/8th of what it takes to be considered an apprentice high elf wizard.
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>>143688363
Lizardmen will probably be about the same the Orcs with less variety and no Grimgor.
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>try out slayers because why the fuck not
>not very impressive stats but whatever
>fight against chaos
>some chaos trolls attacks me on the flank
>send a unit of slayers to deal with it
>move camera to other flank to do some micro
>move back after 20 seconds
>chaos trolls dead already
well i guess those guys aren't too bad against monster factions if you give them enough bonuses
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Is there a way to order my whole line to charge without having to pick a target for everyone?
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>>143687657
Some offensive magic is still worth it. Single target damage spells are still useful on lords/single units even on ultra, though obviously it takes more castings to kill them. Fate of Bjuna is also still good.
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>>143688792
>helf player detected
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>>143688846
Lizardmen have the strongest wizards.
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>>143688846
The main thing I'm worried about is how the Slann are going to be absolutely fucked sideways with how bad magic is in this game.
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>>143688882
Give them the banner of flame or whatever it's called if you ever get it. It makes them god-tier at trollslaying.
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>>143688946
Bretonnia actually.

;_;
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>>143688947
>>143688971
I'm assuming the Slann will just never be worth taking.
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>>143688792
>Fantasy elves are noldor style "look at us the wrong way and we will fuck you up"

yEAH but TT elves are glass cannons right?
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>>143688971
>implying magic will still be bugged by the time the lizards are implemented
>>
>playing dwarves
>by turn 30 a WAAGGHH has formed about 5 screens away from me randomly
>it makes a fucking beeline for my main province
How the fuck do I deal with shit like that?
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>>143689107
>>143688971
They'll have fixed magic by then almost certainly.
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Been stompin' chaos incursions that crossed the river into my orky empire, most of the other side is ruins and vampires that aren't too powerful... krump Sigvald and get this.

RIP Chaos Boyz
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>>143689107
wHY THE fuck would anyone take slann when they could take FUCKING KROQ GAR, FUCKING GOR-ROK, FUCKING DINOSAURS N SHIIIET SENPAI
>>
>>143689245
>playing with radious mod
>>
If the last number of this post is 0-4 I play Chaos, if 5-9 I play Greenskin

If Greenskin, and the second last number is 0-4 I play Azhag
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>>143687870
i'm pretty sure you can disable it in graphic settings
>>
>>143689167
Conceptually? Yes. In the 8th ed rules? No they were an unkillable murdertrain.
>>
>>143689167

Glass cannons that will kill all your dudes before you can get to your round of combat, run rings around you with superior speed and will nuke you off the face of the planet yes.

HE lists were cancer in my local tournies in 7th ed. 8th kinda balanced everyone else out but shit was ridiculous.
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>fight with level 3 lord against level 25 archaon
>none of my melee units even deal damage to him
>have to shoot him with crossbows and cannons at point blank range
>he shrugs off cannonball like they were nothing
jesus fuck
>>
>>143689167
Not really. They're not super armoured but they have rules like always strike first which lets them reduce the number of attacks you'll get to make and shit like that plus they do wear armour just like anyone else.
>>
Is warhammer worth picking up right now for free chaos? I'm busy playing other games right now but will eventually be getting to this. Probably.
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>>143689386
>playing dwarves
>all that melee
why
>>
Am I missing something or are vampire lords strictly better than necromancer lords in every way?
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>>143689474
chaos are basically shittier orcs right now
>>
VC early game is so satisfying. I never get tired of watching the skeleton horde marching animation.
>>
>>143689474
Chaos are really fun to play as. If you plan on playing this game before any price drop, I'd get it.

>>143689540
This comment is retarded
>>
Finished both Empire and Dwarf campaign

What do I do now? I mean, I'm waiting for Bretonnia or Skaven to show up so I can take the bretonnian realms and the southern kingdoms as I already visited/conquered all the rest of the map
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>Total War being shitting up by cringy as fuck Warhammer
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>>143689493
what do you mean? I have 15 ranged units in that army
>>
>>143689331

>I'm not.
>>
>>143689548
I much prefer the less exaggerated animations of the grave guards. Regular skellies walk like they've been fucked up the ass too hard.
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>>143689685
>that much income as orcs

course you aren't :^)
>>
>>143689723
Maybe that's how they died.
>>
>>143688882
Yeah I always carry 1 or 2 units of slayers and just set them on any trolls or other large monsters to take care of them with minimal losses.
>>
>>143689474
Warhammer is worth picking up because it's a great game. On top of that, chaos is really fun to play.
>>
>>143689584
There is literally nothing Chaos does that orcs do better

>Arrtillery

Doom divers SHIT over Hellcannons

>Cavalry
Orc Boars shit all over Chaos

>ranged
lol Chaos have garbage ranged

>monstrous
Arachnarok and Orc Giant > Chaos MCs

>Infantry
Black orcs are cheaper and rape chosen

>Heroes
Grimghor straight up buttblasts Archaon

Any disputes?
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>>143689797
Trolls don't count as Large units, do they?

I started as Ungrim yesterday and I sent my slayers after a group of Trolls and they got stomped.
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>>143689891
Trolls are monstrous, so they do.
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>>143689765
Orcs do have crazy money, your units are pretty cheap and you get a free stack for every one you're paying for.
>>
>>143689723

I love the skellyton animations

>all stomping round the battlefield in unison not giving a fuck
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>>143689943
>Orcs do have crazy money

Yeah, but from sacking. Your econ sucks as anything that isn't dwarf or empire.
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TOMB KINGS STILL NOT ANNOUNCED SOMEONE POST THE GIF PLEASE
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>>143689891
I don't know, but trolls are the classic enemy of slayers.
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I like how you actually have to make an effort in defending your skirmishers or artillery

>Place my arty on a hill so it can shell the enemy for whole battle
>The hill is pretty far away from my army
>Guard it with one spearmen unit
>The enemy actually divert a greataxe unit and chaos knights to deal with it.

Had to harasse the shit out of them with my outriders to save the arty. Overall the AI seems better at using their cav. They even sometimes faint.
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What should I be building more lords around? Support or pure rape offense?
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>look mod page

>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
>IS THIS MOD COMPATIBLE WITH RADIOUS?
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>>143689765

When you control the entire Badlands and most of the dwarf holds fully upgraded plus all the stacking money from raids and sacks with campaign tier upgraded heroes yes you do. Every small settlements is just money making/growth buildings.
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>>143690119
Depends on the faction and lord.
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>>143689493
also, good luck with monster rush armies when you have too many ranged units
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Hello /twg/ how fair your Crusades today? Just wanted to let you know this is my favorite place on this site. Have a nice day!
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>>143690125
>Is this mod compatible with no floppy hat mod/reiksguard handgunners?
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>>143690223
What about high king dorfy?

Also, are there certain hero types that SPECIALIZE in assassinations? Because the game doesn't point any out.
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>reading up on warhammer lore before buying

Holy shit this is literally just renaissance europe mixed with blatant shameless lord of the rings ip theft

There is zero originality in this universe
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>>143689876
>Any disputes?
Stop playing MP.

The Chaos biggest advantage are the insane buffs it gets from its lords and agents.
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>>143690119
I prefer using them as support, but some lords are more obviously meant to be melee monsters than others.

I wonder if there will be any ranged lords.
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>Tomb Kings still not announced

I'll cover for KANGZguy in this thread
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>>143689891
they do, my slayers have been consistently destroying trolls, though I do have all the slayer technology and bonuses from mmy lord
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Anyone mind if I start an autistic ETW Grey and Blue AAR? Would it change your mind if I'm fucking terrible at the game
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>>143690383
>everything is a lord of the rings ripoff

kysmm
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>>143690383
lord of the rings is just mythology theft
Nobody has ever claimed warhammer to be particularly original
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>>143690510

>Grey and Blue AAR

What?
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when will CA fix the fucking reinforcements bug, its been reported several times and they admitted to seeing it, how could they fuck something trivial like that anyway, I dont remember something like that happening in attila
>>143689876
what a load of crap, chaos giant is IDENTICAL to orc giant, and dragon ogre shaggoth is better than both, GW chosen kill black orcs, but are admittedly more expensive, chaos lances are no worse than boar boyz

what the fug anon? besides, you dont play factions because they are stronger, you play them because you like their style, currently chaos is the only horde so if you want to play as one, you dont really have a choice
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>>143690383
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>>143682724
Personally I confederated Tabacland fairly early then rushed the VC relatively early in the game. I ended up confederating everyone left in the empire, even Marienberg
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>>143690383
Name one unique fantasy setting.
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>>143690081

>he hasn't captured all the Dwarf holds as orcs
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Is there a reason to go Hex Wraiths over Black Knights for Undead? I like the looks of Hex and shit more but are they worse?
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>>143690383
its better
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Is there any good warhammer lore videos/channels? Except Arch obviously
Literally hundreds of channels about 40k but almost non for fantasy
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Jesus christ black knights suck dick
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Does anyone actually build their legendary lords for combat?
I'd rather have +12 melee/defense/damage for all my infantry units rather than my lord. He gets ridiculously powerful anyways once you unlock all the quest items anyways, and he can be only in one place at a time on the battlefield.
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>>143690383

>any fantasy setting
>unique or original
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>>143690657
Tekumel.
It's really Sci-fi, but it's considered fantasy
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>>143690340
Thorgrim? I went the red line, better army -> easier way to solve grudges

With Ungrim, go combat and rape whatever comes he is unbreakable, enjoy
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>people hating the imperial floppy hat

Fags.

Anyway, is there a mod that add more generals for the faction? Kinda boring to always see the same 2 dwarfs lords or the same 4 empire lords
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>>143690383
Fantasy HRE and fantasy landsknechts are pretty unique desu. Not many fantasy settings have those. Also don't compare it to lotr. Warhammer lore is made for a tabletop game.

Also at least the orcs actually have some extensive lore unlike Tolkien's orcs.
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>>143690657
The First Law Trilogy
The Malazan Book of the Fallen
The Black Company
The Prince of NOthing trilogy
The Book of the New Urth books by Gnee woolf

There
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>>143690383
Except you know, chaos.
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>>143690812

Grimgor is built for killing shit.

You should slot his secondary skills as leadership so you keep da boyz in line.
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>fighting a bitter last stand against the forces of chaos with witch hunter bro and lord big beard
>this starts playing in my playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBroYj_Qv0
Fugg.
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http://imgur.com/a/ZMZEz

this isn't fucking normal, look at that last pic at the pool of water.

In battles, I can't see anything that's happening
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Can we please just delete Marauder Horsemen from the game? They single handedly ruin the early game of every Chaos campaign and their only purpose is to make me auto resolve every fight
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>>143690753

army books
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>>143690894
Now name one that is relatively well known, not shit and not Tolkienesque.
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>>143690876
That's probably prime DLC territory
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Franz, Gelt and the entire garrison of Altdorf.

dis gon be gud
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>>143691112
None of them are shit, they are all critically acclaimed books

Get better taste pleb
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>>143690962
I mean, those skills that give you something like +15 melee attack for your lord when you already have 150 doesn't make almost any difference.

Meanwhile, skill that for example gives your infantry +12 attack and +12 defense makes massive difference, because their melee and defense values are much lower.
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>>143691112
>I don't know this so it doesn't count
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>>143690812
I built Ungrim for Combat on my last playthrough and I rushed the 30% HP and it let him take on 4-5 Goblins/Orc Boyz at once.
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>>143690894
As much as I love them, Malazan and Black Company aren't exactly unique in their setting. They are were executed and very enjoyable, that's for sure.
There's nothing wrong with a well made setting that doesn't reinvent the wheel.
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>>143691035
>linking to an image hosting site on a fucking imageboard
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>>143691079
Doesn't dogs catch them? Also there is a mod that makes the AI spam less skirmishers, cav and arty. It kinda fucks up Bretonnia though.
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>>143691035
Those all look perfectly fine. I don't know what your saying.

Probably just post this on the official bug thread if we could help you we would.
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>>143691178
>no greatswords, no good artillery, no good cav

Nah, it's gonna be over in 5 minutes.
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>Tomb Kings still not announced
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It's funny how I can tell this is the rome 2 team from how fucking retarded agents are, one assault units bringing a full stack to half men
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>>143691284
No, they can do a pretty decent job of kiting the puppers, and they do insane damage to them.
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>>143691337
>entire garrison of Altdorf

They have 6 greatswords, 2 demigryph knights anda steam tank.
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>Best LL still not announced
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>>143691035

nice james cameron dof lense where do i buy
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>>143691178
>turn 686
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>>143691414
I did well with chasing them with one dog and several horsemen.
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>>143691242
>>143691229
>being a literature snob
>being proud of knowing some literal who novels

Okay then.
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>>143691178
>turn 686
>Chaos is still here
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FUCKING REINFORCEMENTS BUG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>chaos besieges my town with one full stack and two half stacks
>easy peasy sally out
>my garrison appears BEHIND THEIR MAIN FORCE
>his two reinforcing stacks appear BEHIND MY MAIN FORCE
>chaotic and buttdevastating battle begins as marauder horsemen run around all over the fucking place
>take enourmous losses in what would otherwise be a trivial battle
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>>143690841
>>143690894
Thanks. I'll check these out. You better hope I don't find any derivative shit there
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>>143691414
they are managable if you are lucky enough to get +15% speed rune early one
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>>143691489
Waiting everyone out in a siege takes awhile.

>>143691572
I'm chaos.
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>>143691269
>They are were executed and very enjoyable
I haven't read Malazan, but while the setting and general plot of The Black Company were well done, I absolutely hated the writing. Way too fucking workmanlike without the slightest hint of literary competence. I know that most fantasy writers are storytellers first and writers second (at best) and that's not necessarily a bad thing if you're not a /lit/fag, but TBC was especially merciless in that regard. Good stories, awful writing.
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>>143681719
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10334700
>Orcs winning

Guys I'll pick them if I have to but I really don't feel like playing them.
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>>143691673
When I learned how OP it was to stack reduce siege hold out time and that first turn of siege attrition wipes out half the garrison my Chaos campaign got much easier but not as rewarding.
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>>143691470
>Not the giant obese goblin in the chariot, whose name I always forget
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wheres the cheapest to get this meme game
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>Imported Matchlock units just standing there not firing on the impending Yari units
They had Fire at Will turned on, and even when I manually told them to attack they did fuck all. Am I doing something wrong or was the game just fucking with me?
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>>143691885
>Dont feel like playing X faction
>Add it to the list anyway

why
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>>143691885
>too much of a faggot to make an independent decision
>asks for opinions
>guys I don't like those opinions please give me different ones
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>>143692045
Probably Kinguin or G2A or any other of the thousand key-seller sites.
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>Archaon on Chaos Dragon

this mod is exactly what my campaign needed. Time to try this shit on the battle map.
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>>143692136
>>143692143
Because I'll inevitably play them at some point. I'm just saying "In comparison to the other races, orcs are lowest on the list of the ones I feel like playing as." Again, I'll do it and probably like it if they win. But now I'm getting people only voting orcs out of spite so blow me.
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>>143692130
hover over your unit, it will tell if there's an obstruction or anything
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>>143692296
Why would you replace the steed of the apocalypse with some generic dragon fuck?
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>watching heir of carthage play multiplayer
>looks incredibly fun
>tfw too afraid to try it myself
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>be M2 nostalgiafag
>can't play warscape tw games because NO COLLISON, MATCHED COMBAT, MAGIC SEND FLY CHARGES
>be retarded enough to just buy Warhammer blindly, because I couldn't withstand the shills
>warscape has been fixed

Why did it take them a decade to fix their fucking engine? Now, I am looking forward to meaningful DLC which will expand upon the existing world instead of dumb as fuck unit packs or mini campaigns and this will take the throne from Medieval 2.
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What is the point of Kemmler? I feel like I'm missing something

>Less spells than von Carstein
>Less melee capable than von Carstein
>Starts with inferior units
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Holy shit
>play Warhams
>Annoyed by the projectile trail
>Disable it
>Suddenly, towers, hellcannons and other shit fire invisible balls of doom
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>>143692296
Garbage taste my man.
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>>143692576
Doesn't even fucking matter, you get your other legendary lord more than soon enough.
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>>143691636
Not that anon, but I can fully recommend The prince of nothing trilogy.
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>>143692539
The Sega overlords were replaced by GW.
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>>143692576
Don't forget he can't even get a mount, unlike generic necromancers.
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>>143692296

is it just me or does the chaos dragon seem kind of shitty?

I did a custom battle test and a terrorgheist completely shit on it.
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>City's towers range
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>>143692576
he can make cheaper zombies xD
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HISTORY AUTISTS BTFO
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>>143692872
On the other hand, that actually made sieges and siege engines relevant.
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>>143689621
u a grot or summat lad?
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>>143691841
I liked the writing, because I'm a sucker for first person perspective. I like it felt like it was the Company's chronicle written by different people, with all its shortcomings.
But at the same time, I know I don't have the best literary taste; never had one and I read a lot of pulpy shit (among others). When I was younger it bothered me, now I don't give a fuck and don't (over)analyze it from a technical standpoint. I just say what I liked about the book, whether it entertained me or made me think. Best decision I made regarding my reading habits, although I almost never recommend any books to anyone because of it.
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>>143682124
Why are you falling for such obvious shitposting?

But yeah, the bombers are laughably bad, I don't understand how this made it through testing. They can't kill anything and even multiple bombs won't rout a doom diver crew.
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>>143692963
How? I'm very happy.
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Reminder that Bretonnians have the best seige towers
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I know I'm fighting the absolute weakest armies in the game in earlygame goblins but Grimgor start seems absurdly strong

>great lord who can already wreck troops
>black orcs who are fantastic infantry
>homing artillery
>spears/archers and cavalry for basic support

Is this as good as it gets for a strong start? Mannfred also has it pretty easy but that's almost solely down to him and the vargheist
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>>143689621

Nah lissen 'ere u zoggin grot...
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>Enemy army force marching around my territory at sanic speeds
>Have to force march back just to keep up with them
>At which point they sack the nearest town and force march at nearly full movement
>Agents have only a 1/4 chance of stopping them
HOW DO I CATCH THESE FUCKERS?!
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>>143692808
I haven't actually previewed any units so this is gonna be my first time using one.

>>143692447
because a single horse gives him the weaknesses of cav and none of the benefits of being a flying, terror-inducing chaos dragon? I'll see how it plays out, I haven't tried chaos dragons yet but Deathclaw was a hoot and a half
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>>143683920
only they wont cause fucking goblins dont have armor piercing so theyre largely useless despite people advertising for them
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>>143688209
>i don't think magic is counted on the killscreen
It is btw
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>>143692576
Who is this guy anyway, lorewise? First time I heard about him really. He seems so underwhelming it hurts.
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>>143693161
Karl gets a really really good melee lord and probably one of the two best cavalry units in the game.

>>143693378
Evil necromancer doing evil shit but getting away with it for super long and being super powerful and super successful
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>>143693161
I tried all the factions, and in terms of powerlevels (at least on the start), it seems like:
Mannfred > Grimgor > Archaon > Karl > Thorgrim
Mannfred goes on the top because of his ability to snipe other lords and kill them 30 seconds into battle.
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What is a good skill build for vampires/mannfred?

Also, which agents are good for spreading vampiric corruption?
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>>143692963
>liking both is a crime
I'm gonna trigger you even more, I liked Stellaris, Victoria and EU :^)
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>>143693309
Dhorgar, steed of the apocalypse is no mere horse! In the lore at least. I understand why you would replace him.
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>>143693378

I think he's the very first named character in the TT

Any lorefags can correct me if im wrong
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>>143693151
What are the other faction's missiles?

I know Empire has big canon balls and VC some kind of purple balls
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Decisive Battles: Warhammer when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jVCzTfIqY [Embed]

This is the the bay of Marathon, on the eastern coast of Greece. I'm Matthew Settle.

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But 11,000 greek infantrymen stood in their way, here, at Marathon.

Now, with new video game technology, you are about to see this great battle as never before. The vast numbers of soldiers, the troop formations, how they fought and how the battle was won. Get the view the generals wish they had, now, on Decisive Battles.
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>>143693378
Named version of a necromancer lord, he isn't really anything special in the lore. He just fits into a slot they needed filling. In the End Times Krell cucks him for Nagash.
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>>143693378
he is a human necromancer that caused alot of shit but the fact you cant get krell as a perk is crap
krell is the bitchin wight king beefcake that makes other wight kings look like cock sandwiches
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>Hurry up! We'll reinforce the General and fall those Chaos dogs in the ba--
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>>143693561
Ha! Me too bud
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>>143691673
>Waiting everyone out in a siege takes awhile.

Aren't there any chaos agents that can get the destroy wall skill?

>>143691631
You should have waited until they assaulted. The ai makes a lot of towers before they do it so it takes a while.
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>>143693492

>Fight archaon with graveguards and black knights
>Get completely shat on, like we got like 100 kills and lost 1700

>Fight him with stack of hexwraiths and cairnwraiths
>Fuck him up

wut
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>>143693492
>>Evil necromancer doing evil shit but getting away with it for super long and being super powerful and super successful
It really doesn't feel like it in game. There was really no one better in the timeline for vamps?
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>>143693601

Greenskins have rocks with gork and mork marking on them

Dwarfs are just probably cannon balls

I think the tier 1 tower ammo for greenskins is actually dung
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>playing chaos
>getting chased by 3 enemy stacks
>2 of the stacks barely don't reach me
>1 of the stacks reaches me, and gets the other two as reinforcement
>no problem, I can just retreat and if the 1 stack still wants to chase me, I can easily beat them
>out of all the open terrain to choose, my guy retreats to the ONLY POSSIBLE PLACE where it's still 3 stacks to one stack
>I lose the 3 vs 1 fight
>campaign over

W H Y
H
Y

JUST TELL ME WHY ARCHAEON
WHY DID YOU RETREAT THERE
FUCKING TELL ME
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>>143693083
Well I'm not saying you can't like it. I definitely liked the story and setting, like I mentioned. I ended up finishing the entire series even though The Silver Spike made me want to kill myself (it's easily the worst book in every possible way, I'd very much advise new readers to skip it entirely since nothing that happens in it is really relevant). It's just that so much of it is a drag to read, and just ends up being a dry "he did this, she said that" description of events. Which makes sense from the perspective of it being an report written by Croaker (and Lady/Murgen/Sleepy/whatever), but to me as a reader it just detracted from my enjoyment of the story.
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>>143692539
>NO COLLISON, MATCHED COMBAT, MAGIC SEND FLY CHARGES

literally all memes, you spent too much time listening to reynaldsanity instead of playing games
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>>143693635
I love attacking the reinforcements first, walling them into a box with Chosen Great Weapons and then casting powered-up Flaming Skull

This battle, Archaeon got ~600 kills
>>
MOVE B
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>>143689504
>Am I missing something or are vampire lords strictly better than necromancer lords in every way?
magic is fucked so necros are awful
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>>143693602
Those are pretty comfy.
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>>143692539

M2 truly had the best collision in the series
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>>143693783
Sure buddy not gonna bother posting my playtime here, but those are all true and you're literally retarded for calling actual factual facts MEMES.
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>>143693643
Me too. I would like TWWH as well, if I had it.
I wish that annoying faggot that tries to stir up shit in the thread would just leave.

History and fantasy living in harmony!
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>>143693647
>You should have waited until they assaulted
they always try to starve me out in my campaign, and I am not going to eat attrition when I am being besieged by a really weak force
>>
dlgamer has this 22 percent off

if u wanna save a few bucks senpai, it works btw I just did it
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>>143693676

ethereal units brah

only mages and lords do normal damage, otherwise it's a 75% chance to do fukken nothing to them
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>>143690894
Malzan is literally someone's board game and first law's as generic it comes plus EDGE

>>143690383
Warhammer started as a very explicit parody of fantasy of course nothing is unique, the appeal is having all of the fantasy shit in one setting that is also a game
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>>143693378
Got super in to necromancy as a kid and ended up being the most powerful necromancer in adulthood.
Pissed off all the other necromancers who back-stabbed him and used their magic to transform him in to a crippled, half-insane begger with no magics.

After for wandering for half his life like this he one day he came upon a grave of a chaos champion and the chaos gods spoke to him and offered him a deal. The gods said they'll give him his health, mind and powers back if he agrees to help them destroyer the world to which he agreed as he wanted to revenge on it anyway for what happened to him.
Raised the chaos champion as his 'friend' and bodyguard, Wight king Krell. He and Krell are never seen apart and he spends his time fucking everyone up be they necromancers, vampires, dwarves, empire, ork or chaos.
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>>143693718
Your other options are:
Like mannfred except slightly different in character only, and having the disadvantage of being dead
that's it. That's the only real other option.

Can't have Krell or Konrad because they can't control the undead.
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>>143693567
I know he's supposed to be some kind of demon or gift from the gods or something, but I still wish the gods had given him a bloodthirster to ride or something. this guy is supposed to fuck up so much shit the world literally ends.
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>playing as Vampires
>getting sieged by Chaos, can only get one army in range to support in time
>they have 3 fullstacks
>stick back and let them filter in to cover the shortest routes and both angled sides
>fighting them in streets all across every end of the entire city for a foothold to move in
>even fight the entire time in every corner
>they keep taking the sidestreets unattended going for flanks provoking our response
>buy enough time from leaving them only the longest pathway to meet them at the back
>both of us are down to 30% capacity from stalemate streetfights with no decisive victor anywhere
>troll steps onto the field
>werewolf and men fight bravely but are losing
>he pulls halberds from reserve onto the field
>powerless to bring cav around to flank halberds because he has been holding the streets covering his flanks on every corner
>pull men from other street fronts to consolidate
>streets holding strong but we are both bottoming out
>general standing ground though the weakest from reserve, full health and kicking ass
>streets where battles for control took place are just a carpet of dead bodies
>general and 2 units of heavily injured grave guard are last men standing with the cav
>just his troll some chaos knights and his last general
>final battle
>cavalry move in on flank
>simultaneous clash of knights fighting to their last as the troll moves in to join with the cavalry crashing on his ass
>his general moves in to the fray
>grave guard crumble
>general dies near instantly from simultaneous trollbashing, everchosen smashing and knights crashing
>begging my cav not to fail their mission being this close
>they die
>troll falls to his knees simultaneously and to his face, dead

Probably the most intense siege I've ever done in Total War.

Usually its just a moshpit in a doorway with the AI throwing everything at an impenetrable wall. I wasn't ready for that.

I've lost the battle and my city, but have 2 fullstacks just nearby and Chaos is broken.
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>>143693151
Fetchez le vache
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>Going from Rome/M2/ETW to Shogun II
Why does everyone move so fucking fast, holy shit.
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My campaign took a very wrong turn when I declared war on the vampires

Two turns later Archaeon the Everchosen spawned too.

I just lost three full stacks and a city to the vampires, I got swarmed so hard I didn't know what hit me
Greatswords went down like flies, Karl Franz got surrounded by so many undead he couldn't move to go after Manfred or any of the 6-7 other heroes the guy had in the battle
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>>143694257
>werewolf
???
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>>143693378
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Heinrich_Kemmler

>This guy is THE OG of Warhammer Fantasy. Heinrich Kemmler is Warhammer Fantasy's first Special Character.
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>>143690894
>The First Law Trilogy
I'm still mad at that fucking ending. I could stand people being dicks and lying, but just screwing over a character that had grown a lot over the entire trilogy, going from a fucking ponce to a respectable guy, is over the fucking line.
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>>143694369

Varghulf I mean.
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>>143694006
>they always try to starve me out in my campaign

Pretty sure they are just making towers. Unless they have actually waited until your units starts starving in your game.
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What's the best early answer for Crypt Horrors as Empire? Halberds and Spears still just get wrecked by them.
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>>143694212
>Like mannfred except slightly different in character only, and having the disadvantage of being dead
I would prefer that, these are vampires after all. If I wanted a different character, I would play a different race, wouldn't I?
I wish they add some Blood Knight or qtpie Lahmia.

>>143694142
>He and Krell are never seen apart
They should make Himmler LL a two man team unit; and actually useful.
It could be nice.
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>>143681485
>play very hard dwarfs
>have to reset 5 times because the greenskins and stabby eyes decide to migrate all their WAAARRGGHHHSSS into my territory
>finally after my 6th go turtling they leave me mostly alone
>start moving north away from the rape train orcs
>confederate the northern dwafs, have a solid 3 provinces now
>it's been errily quiet down in the badlands for a very long time, and my poxy home province garrison of 5 longbeards and 4 thunderers are getting uneasy

please god no warrrgghhhs my way

in all seriousness, I had heard dwarves were supposed to be massive tanks, sure they have a fuckton of morale but they die like butter and the orc archers rape them horribly unless your thunderers can limit their fire
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>>143693718
>It really doesn't feel like it in game. There was really no one better in the timeline for vamps?
Not right now as it's pretty exclusively the von carsteins and they're mainly dead in the lore
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>sieging as Archaeon
>He's climbing the ladder
>Out of literally nowhere he instadies despite being at full health

WHAT THE FUCK
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>>143694621
Krell should be a unique hero.
Two man units trigger me from shitty M2 mods.

Lahmians would be really silly.
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>>143689245
How did u stop them ? I'm 150+ turns in, have 40+ settlements. I was able to beat archaon once then he returned with more full stack army. Their 500-600 soldier armies worth more than my full stack armies. It is basically chaos vs me right now and i'm getting my shit pushed in.
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Are underground battles considered cheesy?
The AI will ALWAYS try to intercept you, even if the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, and if you win it's a complete stack wipe.
You can kill enemy armies hiding in keeps this way.

>>143694728
Pro tip: have 6 quarrelers your army.
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>2 campaigns in a row
>still not a single city defense battle
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>>143694761
>Archeon the Everchosen
>Bringer of the End Times
>Died by slipping off a ladder and falling to his death
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>>143694809
>Lahmians would be really silly.
As some who is (obviously) very not proficient with lore and only skimmed it, why is that? I was under the impression VC's are made of different clans, Lahmians being one among them? But I probably mixed up something.
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>>143694412
Yeah but abercrombie was PLAYING WITH EXPECTATIONS and DECONSTRUCTING THE GENRE

I can't fucking wait for mainstream fantasy to move past its worship of genre deconstruction. At least stuff like dagger and coin does something new with it
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>>143692539
M2 fags are truly cancer
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>>143693336
The lord of change melted half my army with magic, only got 3 kills on the screen
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>>143690714
bumpu with elf ass
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>>143690882
>unlike Tolkein's orcs
>unlike Tolkein's orcs
>unlike Tolkein's orcs
Goddamnit, eugenics when.
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>the game is finally out
>now must wait for DLC and expansions

Life is suffering
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>>143694572
Handgunners, outriders, greatswords.
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>>143694987
The entire fucking point of the Lahmians is that they never get directly involved, they all live under cover and they never ever let people know they're vampires

So they're basically a hidden faction within the Empire rather than a Counts subfaction and they have some control over absolutely everything
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>>143694942
build walls in your settlements senpai

with how often the AI loves to dodge your armies by 1 pixel of campaign movement, you should be building walls in literally every settlement anyway
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>>143695068
>they want functional combat mechanics in their total war game
So cancer!
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>>143692539

God damnit I just wanted you people to stay miserable, you deserved it for passing up on good fucking games just because of your autistic knight obsession.

I figured on a long enough timeline you would just kill yourself but instead you're just going to act like suddenly because you got into Warhammer everything is saved.
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>>143694908
More like Throgrim FAT-bringer.
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Blood and gore when, I can't believe I actually want to BUY dlc, I NEED BLOOD
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>>143695212
>those legs

GOD DAMN
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Post battle pictures.
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>>143692963
>Paradrons on suicide watch
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>>143694943
>>143694761
Typical chaos death

GW literally had their special snowflake chaos lady accidentally impale herself and die
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>>143695287
But can't they field an army in TT? I thought they could. I understand that lorewise, they work more subtly than the usual approach (ressurect everything, swarm your enemy while laughing maniacally) but it doesn't mean they can't fight.
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>>143695212
I have a black knight on each flank and a hexwraith on each acting as a wingman.

When it looks like a cav battle is about to happen, I send the hexwraith to tank the charge and absorb all that nasty physical damage. meanwhile the black knight veers off to charge the tied up enemy in the side while they're pissing themselves at the sight of the hexwraiths
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Finished a chaos and a dwarf campaign. I think I fought about 10-15 battles, mostly for the quests, everything else was auto resolve.

What the fuck is going on in this game.
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>>143695202
Well they definitely register for me as Archaeon because I got a load of kills on him without his fat butt ever getting into melee

>>143695275
I'm waiting for attila to go on sale :(
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>>143695429
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>>143695429
is ungrim using a dwarf warrior as a weapon
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>>143695350
>''''''functional''''''' combat mechanics
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>>143693753
Dwarfs get powder kegs as their top tier

You can upgrade them with the gate upgrade building in the capital
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>>143695242
He didn't actually get time to flesh them out.
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>>143695276
>get outriders
>do an empire total war and put your infantry in front of your outriders and let the outriders superior height shoot over the head of the infantry
>watch enemy get wrecked

in all seriousness, late game sieges by orcs are intense as fuck and I only won from doing this

>4 orc doomstacks come down to drakenhorf
>I send my elite imperial stack to wipe one of them
>it has 5 giant fucking spiders in its army
>get wiped, the 3 other orcs siege my city
>the 4th joins in
>1 empire stack plus garrison stack holds off against 5-6 giant spiders, 5 ogres and endless hordes of orcs
>my outriders firing over the heads of the halberdiers as the battle for the gates ends with the final ogre collapsing down upon my men

glorious end game
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Can I get some Legendary Lord power rankings? tia
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>>143695528
Yeah they fight but in FB you fudge out a scenario about them either being discovered or it being the end of the world

They're never generals of an expanding army, the goal of taking over the empire would actually lead to the Lahmians becoming significantly weaker as they lose their influence
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>>143695742

Karl > Kholek > Grimgor > Archaon > everyone else > sigvald
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>>143695689
garrison upgrades are a most for hard/very hard games
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>>143685338
SSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
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>>143695648
>compares minor broken functionality with major gameplay defining function
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>>143695643
That's a radious exclusive LL, Heavy Mounted Ungrim the Beardthrower (Mobile artillery).
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>>143695397
That goes in the book, lad
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>If you play Karl the secessionists first army will stand fight and die on turn 1
>If you're Gelt they'll run to their city and start building units

REEEEEEEEEEEE, Gelt isn't even any better than Franz, especially at level 1, this turn 1 alone makes a Gelt campaign even harder
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>>143695893
Post proof
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>>143695712
You don't know what you're talking about, but that's okay anon, I don't blame you. I blame your parents.
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>>143695865

What do you think about Louen?
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>>143695742
TOP TIER
>Manny
>Archaon
HIGH TIER
>Karl
>Grimgor
OK TIER
>Kholek
>Ungrim
>Azghal
>Thorgal
SHIT TIER
>Himmler
>Sigvald
>Balthasar
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>>143696029
>This reply
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>>143695882
learnt this the hard way

also, fuck the naval doomstacks in the badlands, never falling for that again
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>>143696041

honestly don't know, don't use the brettonia mod.
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>>143695865
>Karl > Kholek > Grimgor > Archaon > everyone else > sigvald

In order Mannfred, Karl (With Deathclaw), Grimgor, Archeon, Kholek

Mannfred can snipe Lords
Karl with deathclaw is extremely flexible
Grimgor can duel and take on entire units
Archeon can buff the fuck out of his army and is a good duelist
Kholek can literally fight off 3-4 units, but is garbage at dueling.
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>>143695893
>Retard
>Animefag
>Med2Fag
wow its full package
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>It's an "Estalia invades Bretonnia and show the superiority of black powders by taking over fucking Castle Bastogne" episode
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>>143696213
>>143696143

I forgot Manny, yeah he's definitely better than Karl.
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>>143694908
Thorgrim is the most retarded ruler ever, you have 4 fucking men carrying you, get of your fat ass and let them actually fight
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So what kind of composition should you use when playing Bretonia?
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Is tottle nerdhammer good?
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>>143696238
>Implying Warhammer/fantasyfags aren't almost exclusively animeposters.

I mean you have to be somewhat childish to prefer Warhammer over history games.
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>>143696501
Ye
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>>143696479
Peasants and knights
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Reloading when your agent dies from a mission, yes or no?
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>>143696501
Not really, don't let the new players and delusional fantasyfags tell you otherwise. As far as Total War games go, it's subpar.
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>>143696479
Knights.
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>>143691924
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>tfw using nothing but steam tanks in multiplayer battle
>tfw it actually works

Why are steam tanks so good?
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so in the spell guide it says after upgrading raise dead you get skeleton warriors.

but in the campaign I upgraded it and all I got was a fucking cooldown reduction.

what am I missing senpai?
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>>143682489
>posting Hirame

Well, time to fap.
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>>143695746
Ah, that makes sense then. I hope the LL will be someone cool though, Himmler is useless and his backstory doesn't sound too exciting for furthering muh VC influence over everything.
What I know about Mannfred isn't too good either, that backstabbing cunt.

I just want a good, nice leader who will take care of skellies as well as the livestock properly.
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>>143696561
I mean you have to be somewhat childish to prefer video games over real life.
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>>143696663
They mostly just get wounded so, no

Unless you are talking about Shogun 2 and older that is.
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>>143696738
You need to overcast, click on the button twice.
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When does the chaos invasion end? It's the third time I kill Archaon and Kholek and sigvald
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>>143681485
best diege battle in my life
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>ad1212 never
>rise of mordor never
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>>143696693
Compared to what total war games?
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>>143694412
I'm not the only one! Holy shit I've never met others who read these books. That ending was there single most infuriating ending to anything I've ever read ever. I almost could not comprehend the switch with the wizard turning almost overnight into the biggest dick in the setting. Christ I mean i felt that he had betrayed me as a reader personally which I guess means abercrombie did a good job writing it but it still hurt. And it's heavily implied that he is actually a murderer and evil. The other books by abercrombie have just as much dickery, with regular joes getting used by assholes all over the place.


I still love abercrombies books
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>>143696402
>I know nothing about tradition: the post
Stupid manling, that goes into the book.
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>>143681971
who wont?
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>>143697010
From the top of my head, Rome 1 and Medieval 2.
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>>143696861
>They mostly just get wounded so, no
Best change to agent mechanics ever. I don't savescum anymore thanks to it.
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>>143696923
destroy all chaos armies
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>>143695212
thiccccccccccccccc
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>>143697010
What? Past ones obviously, take Attila for example. It's superior in every way, the only aspect of Warhammer I enjoy is the battles. They're fast paced and pretty entertaining but even at that they just don't feel like 'total war'
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>>143697010
Any of them. Empire, Rome 2. It may not have the bugs, but it's dumbed down enough, and all the new features that were supposed to change the face of the battlefield are broken to the point that they're unusable.
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>>143696402
>not being carried by your men at all times
Get a load of this pleb.
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>>143697237
>From the top of my head, Rome 1 and Medieval 2.

W E W
E
W

LAD

If you think Rome 1 and Medieval 2 at release were anything close to Warhammer you are either underage or your nostalgia glasses are on.
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>>143697010
This>>143697237 isn't me. That's a fantasyfag who can't have anyone criticize his game.
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>>143694987
Vampire counts as an armybook on the TT does cover different clans. Somebody has explained why lahmians would be a bit weird.

But more than that, VC as Sylvania the faction is just the one clan in charge. The other main clans are too proud to serve it so they're all over the place doing different shit.
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>>143696302

>Estalia's victory conditions by the last expansion will be wipe out the lizards and kick Bretonnia's shit in.
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>>143697484
>last expansion
As much as I love total war I'm sincerely hoping CA is bankrupt by then.
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>>143697335
>Empire

Don't make me laugh. Muh setting/map doesn't make it better at all if all the other stuff is shit. Empire is pretty dumbed down too anyway.
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>>143697379
I'm playing Warhammer, it's alright but fuck me if it isn't being praised way too much. I feel like I'm only playing because I'm forced to since I bought it. Maybe I just don't like the setting but the game's nothing special... AT ALL. I know a bunch of Warhammer fans are going to give me shit but it's the truth,
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>>143696820
Vlad is cool, but in gameplay terms he'd just be Manny 2.0 so that's not very exciting.
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>>143697379
>If you think Rome 1 and Medieval 2 at release were anything close to Warhammer you are either underage or your nostalgia glasses are on.

THIS! Medieval 2 and that fucking disaster with the broken charges, these forums were a nightmare

>you have to ride your cav downhill at a certain speed so they can get their lances into the proper position, it is only realistic!
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>>143697585
go back to your field, peasant, total war is for highborn
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>>143695893
>gameplay defining
oh you are one of those idiots that think animations have anything to do with underlying combat calculations

>>143695943
radious would never actually think off a funny unit like that
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>about to jump into my first multiplayer battle
wish me good luck
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>>143697719
Yeah, I know that. What about someone from Blood Vampires, as a melee hero?
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>>143696302

Magic Armour + Chivalry > Gunpowder

Prove me wrong you peasants.
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>>143697831
Make sure to make your lines as thin as fucking possible
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>>143697739
And Warhammer is for the goat shit covered plebeians.
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>>143690594
>when will CA fix the fucking reinforcements bug

Next time they release DLC. Some Desert Kingdoms couldn't recruit their special religious units after the Charlemagne DLC. It didn't get fixed until the Slav patch.
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>>143697268
>They're fast paced and pretty entertaining but even at that they just don't feel like 'total war'

Well that's weird. Playing warhammer gave me the same feel as when I played rome 1 for the first time. Fucking love it. Needs some balancing patches though(of course).
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>>143681485
Dang it still looks better than mount and blade and yet it can handle vasts amounts more troops
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>>143697726
How about click your units behind enemy units to keep them together because if you double clicked on the first line of your troops would charge.

What about the Egypt faction in Rome 1 being units from 2000BC and not 200BC?

Rome 1 and Med 2 were good games, but they are not the best in the series.
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>>143696706
why are those men carrying a skeltal?
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>>143697892
Demigryphs>elfcuck "knights"
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>>143697892
>magic
>Warhammer
Kek. Oh no, they threw swirly lights at us and now my hair is a bit ruffled!
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>>143697948

The issue however is adding hit boxes, physics, controls, individual AI for each character on screen etc.
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>>143697942
>Playing warhammer gave me the same feel as when I played rome 1 for the first time.
What the fuck? The older TW games were slower paced than the warscape ones.
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>>143697892
>Prove me wrong you peasants.
I don't have to, history had.
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>>143697841
Walach Harkon, I guess? Maybe Ushoran.
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>>143697759
>oh you are one of those idiots that think animations have anything to do with underlying combat calculations
Even implying it didn't have anything to do with combat calculations which it does when it's more than 1vs1 then alone the fact how insanely retarded and shitty unit clashes look makes me vomit so hard I can't keep playing those games.
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>>143697979
and lets not forget that most late game units in med2 were flat out broken, and that CA didnt even move the features added in kingdoms over into the main campaign
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>>143698063

>summoning meteors out of thin air
>hair a bit ruffled

OK.
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>>143697831
just bend over when you see the griffons
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>>143698143
I meant overall. It felt fresh to me. Even if I just came from a AOC campaign.
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>>143698143
>What the fuck? The older TW games were slower paced than the warscape ones.

The 2d Total War games were slower, Rome 1 was very quick in comparison as has nearly all the 3d Total War games.
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>>143698281
Yeah, that's generally what happens to anyone I hit with a meteor. Sometimes I think it does negative damage, that's how weak hitting people with a literal giant rock from space is in this game.
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>>143698143
M2 was, but playing vanilla R1 after years of various mods surprised me with how fast it was. It was almost Shogun 2-tier.
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>>143697892
Go back to worshipping your elf, froggy cucks.
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>>143697908
>That "if I can't have, nobody can" kid mentality.

Calm down. They are still making historical games.
>>
PATCH WHEN PATCH WHEN

>>143698086
Yeah hopefully the next engine will have all that jazz.

Graphics cards/processors are getting very powerful now too.
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>>143698281
>using magic
>using inferior human armor
>constantly being cucked by an elf tart
Manling...
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>>143698143
only because units moved slow, the actual fighting was over just as fast, especially if you had any heavy cav at all

>>143698208
>Even implying it didn't have anything to do with combat calculations which it does
it doesnt, its all smoke and mirrors, which is why CA simply reduced the matched animations frequency in attila and nothing changed: the game just looks at unit position and weapon range and calculates an attack the actual animation of attacking is not important, sometimes its not even there at all, if you pull through your cav unit through the enemy fast enough you will see riders die without actually being hit - thats because the game is registering hits but not animating them. Same thing with pikes - first 3 rows are actually attacking but most attacks are not animated at all

>how insanely retarded and shitty unit clashes look
compared to what? med2 really doesnt look any better, its just that LOD quickly turns them into sprites in it, so you simply dont notice how bad it looks
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>>143687978
>Chaos doesn't come until you reach a certain imperium level so you can build up before.

Really? So I can spend as much time as I like upgrading my buildings and forging faction alliances?
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>>143698007
Grail knights are considered holy relics, even their corpses, clothing and leftover food are seen as sacred. As a result bands of crazily devoted peasants who worship these knights will follow them around and hold on to anything associated with them, even their dead bodies. Some wounded Grail Knights have actually been crushed to death by these pilgrims who try to pick them clean of items.
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>>143696919

WAIT

YOU CAN OVERCAST?

WHAT THEY FUCK.

so that's what the buffed spells descriptions in the spell guides mean?
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>>143695359
>you're just going to act like suddenly because you got into Warhammer everything is saved
Warhammer is just a generic fantasy setting I don't give a fuck about although it is obviously better they choose something so well established, but the gameplay of the new total war is just more to my taste in almost always than its recent predecessors which were utter shit. Might be I just got tired of seeing half naked man bouncing of each other in broken warscapre in Rome 2 quick enough and Atilla was overkill in that regard. MORE HALF NAKED FAGGOTS WITH SPEARS.

What a fucking blessing to see a new Total War with such a rich unit roasters including tons visually different units! FUCK ROME 2 AND ATTILA and all the fags who liked those games.
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>all these sour and butthurt historyfags ITT
Embarassing, guys
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>>143698560

if I'm not mistaken runes are magic
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>>143698783
This is way more embarrassing, desu.
>>143698691
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>>143698665
>dickhead nobles getting killed by peasants, not because out of hate but adoration

pottery
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>raze bretonnia to the the ground
>the lush oak or whatever forests become nothing but pine forests

Okay I guess
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>its the M2 fags shit up the thread episode
>its a rerun
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>>143698785
They are properly controlled magic, manling.
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So has CA addressed the problem with damage scaling for artillery and magic yet?
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>>143698903
>implying the thread has been good since /tg/ showed up
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>>143693863
how do you get to cast vortex spells and get enough kills?
you can only cast it on the ground
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>>143698867
>play VC
>everything I conquer becomes a dull grey mess

Undeath was a mistake.
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>>143699027
They know about it I think. There will probably be a big patch soon.
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>>143695419
https://www.instagram.com/pernilwyn/?hl=en
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>>143698903

well medieval 2 is the best, why would you even cast that into doubt

is it the pleb talking?
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>>143699038
You'd know if /tg/ ever showed up here.
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>>143698785
RUNES ARE NOT MAGIC DELETE THIS POST
THEY ARE TRADITION MATERIALIZED OR THE PHYSICAL FORM OF A GRUDGE ABOUT TO HIT YOUR ASS
DELETE THIS OR THIS GOES INTO THE BOOK
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>>143699106
no
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>>143699038
>implying it was good before
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>>143698665
oh, I was hoping the skeletons will actually rise up and fight or something

>>143698867
if brets take over another factions settlement it immediately becomes overgrown, its forest "corruption" I wonder if this foreshadows wood elves

>>143698903
imagine going to a general for a franchise that you havent enjoyed in years, weird lot
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>>143699172
stay cucked stunty
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>>143699038
We haven't had enough I WANT TO FUCK A VAMPIRE POST MORE TITS posts for this to be /tg/.
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>As Orcs push the bretonnians into the sea
>their last army sails off towards Norsca

Alright then, guess instead of dying by the blade they want to die from the cold
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When the fuck will it end, bros?
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>>143699319
>I want to be fucked by a vampire post more rotten cocks
Ftfy
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xth for Greatswords, Demigryphs, and Witch Hunters need to be nerfed

Actually, they could just make the stats actually matter and the game would probably function correctly. You know, if the Melee Attack/Defense that you pay for actually did something.

Oh you didn't know? Armor and Weapon damage are 99% of this game's combat stats
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>>143699671
>Turn 543
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>>143699319
Now that you mentioned it, I want to fuck a loli vampire.

>tfw CA cucked me and I can't mod one as a LL anyway
It would be a fantastic replacement for Himmler.
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>vc
>Vampire Counts
>Von Carsteins
WOAH
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>>143699319
What do the vampire units and avatars look like in game?
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>>143699940
Lahmias are hot man.
Female vampires that aren't monsters care about their looks. Also, wigs.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302
http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302
http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302

So far the results seem pretty stable.

In order of popularity:
>1) Grand Strategy
>2) 4X
>3) Real Time Strategy
>4) Turn Based Tactics
>5) Turn Based Strategy
>6) Real Time Tactics
With only 8% not playing any of these genres.

RTT being at the bottom doesn't surprise me much since I can't even remember the last time a good, popular RTT game was released. TBT ended up being higher than I expected, which I'm guessing is mostly due to the new XCOM games. GS and 4X being the toppest genres doesn't surprise me since this general definitely has some overlap with their respective generals.

Who /domg/ here?
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Anyone know which .pack file tables I can find the localisation and effects entries for the banners in the game?

Got a load of custom runes and shit added, but I can't find those two tables anyway.
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>>143699721
melee defense "doesnt work" because for some reason the values are pretty much equal for both defensive and offensive units, and I dont just mean that different units have samey melee attack/defense, I also mean that there is little difference between the two values, most units have anout 30-40 melee defense and 30-40 melee attack, which is just retarded, look at attila units have values for those stacks ranging from about 60-70 to 17-20

if units with shields had twice the melee defense of units with great weapons, AND if every other elite unit wasnt armour-piercing they wouldnt suck so much
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How do you skill your VC characters?
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>Azhag quest
>Bretonnia
>like, 8 mounted yeomen
God cavalry spam is cancer

Its not even effective, its just annoying
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>>143700381
For Manny, focus on that single-target damage spell (forgot the name) and go full combat beyond that.

For Himmler, go full support since he's shit at combat. Maybe buff that heal spell a bit, but it doesn't seem great to me.
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>>143699671
Isn't a Vamp long victory condition the annihilation of the dwarfs?
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Well the autist at TWC ever get over it? They have like a 20 page thread of bitching about it in the Warhammer General forum.
Why even post in the Warhammer section if you hate it so much?

For that matter why do they still even post at all? They almost to a man say that every single game after Medieval 2 has been utter shit.

Why continue on with the series? Why buy the new games if you hate them? Why not just move on with your life?
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>empire confederated with my looting grounds.

I don't wanna start a war with empire while chaos are invading, ugh
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>>143700162
Alright, found the effects tables. Now just to find those damn localisation tables...
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>>143700092
Which is a significant enough group of individuals to assume that the entire total war fanbase are GS and total war players, and we should all get together and tell CA to stop dumbing down our games.
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>>143700547
It's great for healing your terrorgheists and varghulfs
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>>143700557
Long victory is annihilating every major faction.
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Is Azhag broken? I havent gotten the quest for his last item even though I unlocked it
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>>143699869
still remember picking u pa copy of dance in teh vampire bund for my sister and getting the most piercing glare from the qt on the counter. I've bought worse though I bought Rome II as a hard copy.
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>>143700630
Warhams is their best-selling game ever. People whining about how they shouldn't make fantasy games are going to get ignored entirely.

There's no point in crying over fantasy, if they want to make a change they should try making sensible suggestions on how to improve the game instead of whining about how it's not historical and they hate everything.
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>>143700642
>empire can confederate with border princes

wot
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>some guy earlier said his cannons one shot a lord
>try it out myself
>direct hit from 3 cannons
>a sliver of health gone

Oh I see, he was playing on small unit sizes
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>>143697905
>>143698295
FUCKING YES
I DID IT
HAHAHAHA
I DECISIVLY WON MY FIRST MULTIPLAYER BATTLE
AND IT WAS AGAINST HILLCAMPING FAG

thats enough stress for today i guess
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>>143700642
How'd they confederate the southern realm dudes?
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>>143700630
>That post
>Empire Total War Imperial Destroyer MOD videos

Like pottery
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So many race packs to look forward to
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>>143700868
Kislev, Estalia and Tilea too.
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>>143700981
But why.
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>>143700542
pistoliers/outriders are seriously irritating when playing VC. Every game becomes pinning with bats/vargs or wiping out everything else and throwing out psych modifiers/horrors. Thought VC would be piss after Chaos on Very hard but damn it goes to shit quick.

>>143700704
Didn't think you had to wipe out chaos or Greenskins as VC, just Empire dwarfs and Bretonnia.
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>>143700669
I highly doubt that /twg/ is representative for the Total War fanbase, and especially the TW:W fanbase which has a lot of new people.
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>Thorgrim only needs to be in his chair when he feels like sitting down, otherwise he can stand
>sits in it all the time anyway

What a lazy fuck
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>>143700968

Seeing this guy animated should be fun
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>>143700981
>>143700868
>>143700936
Seems like AI got their own rules when it comes to Confederation. They also don't have a cooldown either I think. It might be based on difficulty setting.
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I don't have the game. How does the mechanic for raising dead works for VC? I see on the screenshot they don't have gold (or is it not-gold?)
Slaughtering your enemy and raising some of them as undead after battle works as mechanic? Could I have skelly/zombie spam (by spam, I mean a fucking deathstack with a reinforced army) reinforced with more elite units as viable tactic or the upkeep would kill me?
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>>143701057
You don't need to wipe out Chaos entirely, just make sure they don't exist outside of the chaos wastes which is almost the same thing anyway.

Don't remember about Orcs actually, you might be right.
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>Dwarf
>Top Units: Gyrocopter, Slayers, Irondrakes

BUT THEYRE ALL SHIT CA, JESUS CHRIST. PATCHES WHEN?
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>>143701021
Because in-game they're all Empire copypastes at the moment.
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>>143701082
Regardless, it's still a significant enough number.
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>>143700925
I havent won a single multiplayer battle ever, tried some 2-3 times and got rekt now I just play on legendary and pretend multiplayer doesnt exist
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>>143701229
>Base units are super amazing
>top tier units are awful
Bravo CA
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>>143701196
Also, is Anvil of Doom in? Please tell me it's in.
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>>143701119
He's gotta write grudges mid battle anon.

Are you... Against the good high king having a rest?
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>>143701229
Why use them when you start with the most powerful units right from the start. Quarrelers and Grudge Throwers.
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>>143701324
Nope, there's only runesmiths on foot
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>>143701339
He probably just hides all his dorf smut between the pages to make it look like hes busy
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>>143701229
Irondrakes are really good though against zombies
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>>143701119
Thorgrim is actually quite a bro and a very progressive king.
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FUCK I NEED A PATCH MY MONSTER DIE IN ONE AUTO-RESOLVE
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who the fuck are these bastards?

I thought i'd never have to set foot in the fucking badlands again. I just wanna loot humies.
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>>143701473
He allows gay dwarves to marry?
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How the fuck do I catch up to armies? I'm playing the Orcs and I'm always literally a centimeter away from attacking and they just run around sacking my provinces and I can't do shit to stop them
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>>143700847
Seriously this autism needs to stop. Please
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>>143701617
It's not like you can tell a difference between dwarf man and woman anyways.
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>>143701605
Bjnornling, they spawn around turn 50 or when the first chaos even triggers.

They are surprisingly tough
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>>143701456
Whaaaat.
That's shit. But how do they work?
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>>143701617
I'm not sure if it's that or he can't tell male and females apart.

Also I think he meant how half his quests ingame are about pushing for military advancements way faster than the guilds think is appropiate.
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Protip: Make all your non frontline provinces have this layout and you'll make fuckloads as orcs
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There are unit cards for a fuckton of different naval vessels (about three per race) in the files of this game.

No way naval combat wasn't cut.
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>>143701469
They're good at anything with shit armor. Too bad engame units almost all have decent to good armor.

Actually, I think they might be extremely good against those VS spoopy ghosts, since the only strength of those is that they ignore 75% physical damage, and Irondrakes have fire damage.
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>>143701654
The problem in the game (and TW series) is that retreat from battle is basically free movement, so there is no way to catch army that is dedicated to running away.
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>>143701729
>Press button to activate rune
>Rune does it's effect
>Cooldown
just like all magic in this game, this one just doesn't spend winds

Gotta unlock them tho
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>>143701713
They had no choice but to dumb it down, CA AI is beyond saving.

Only the new engine will solve the problems.
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>>143701885
It's definitely a planned addition, as the map stands right now there isn't much use for it.

Once High Elves show up on Not Atlantis they'll introduce it I'm sure
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>>143701885
They'll probably save it for whenever elves show up

Theres also not much point to it, since the only important piece of water is the area between Norsca and Nordland
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>>143701713
Well he's not exactly wrong saying that sieges are shit.

The only defense against that argument is that sieges are shit in ALL TW games, just not all in the same ways.
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>>143701885
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>>143701713
>I don't need to play Total Warhammer to find out

Every.

Fucking.

Time.
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>>143701713
Send help please. This is actually really entertaining. Some of these guys come off at the verge of suicide. Like seriously their very souls, hopes, dreams, and everything that makes them who they are have been crushed by CA. It's like CA has rounded up their families and put them in camps.

It's hilarious. I'm on my phone now but back home on my desktop Iv got a set of pics I took from this one guy on there who has posted he "would never buy another total war game again after Empire" and a picture I took from his steam account of his games owned and time spent on them. He has every new TW game made and at least 100 hours on each of them. I need to check back and see if he bought Warhammer. He has been shitting the bed over magic ever since the game was announced.
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>>143701939
>>143702049
He actually does have a point yes. But you're missing the best bit. You missed the part where he says he doesn't own or play the game yet is qualified to shit post about it.
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>>143702207
Laughing at handicapped people is mean, anon.
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wtf whats this fantasy shit
where's my power armor
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>>143702359
Yeah I am an autism history fag myself but I give the fantasy a chance, it's even inspired by real nations for many factions anyway.
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>>143702207
To be honest he could've gotten them from humble bundle or through other promos. I've been hating on CA since Empire, but got NTW, S2 and Rome 2 from humble bundles and Intel CPU promotions, all for very few shekels.
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>Azhag needs to do a quest before he can casts spells
>the quest location is in no man sland
>the quest battle consists of three chaos stacks

JUST
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>>143702378
I know man. I can't help it though. It's beyond easy to rustle them. Iv derailed a thread with a less then one paragraph post that was entirely sensible. It turned from 2 pages to 30 pages in a day and a half of non stop shit flinging and doom/glooming.
>>
Does anybody have a webm of Skaven using their gatlings in the Call of Warhammer mod?

My game keeps crashin when I use them in custom battles.
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>>143702359
The same thread has a guy defending the idea that watching Let's Plays is just as important as actually playing the game.
>>
I can't decide whether to play more or read more lore

I've not been so into a game in ages
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>tfw I want to really play bretonnia and high elves
>bretonnia for the pretty terrain + comfy position

>high elves for the ubermensch army.

Am I an elf lover?
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>>143702563

Its an easy fight m8
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>>143700547
what about heroes, like vamps, banshees, necros and wight kangz?
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>>143701713

Rome 1
>deep strategy
>not arcadey

I guess I just imagined the giant "berserkers" who could barrel through legions like they were elephants. Or how fucking retarded city management was. Yup, Rome 1 and Med 2 were the highlights of the series if you're hopelessly nostalgic.

Also didn't Med 2 and Rome 1 both have a literal "arcade" mode with infinite arrows and no fatigue? DESU I actually kind of miss that.
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>>143702563
You can teleport to quest battles so its not like the location matters
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>>143701617
For example he implied that making every-single-little-shit into a grudge isn't the wisest approach, longterm.
He also seeked alliances that could help the dwarves and not thrown the dwarves into a rerun of War of the Beard after being yelled at Tyrion after he bail the fucking knife ears against Manny.
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>>143701229
Slayers are good at their role
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>>143701196
Please respond, I really wonder how it works. I always liked undead in games.
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>>143702818
Vamps are for spreading corruption.
Banshees are your assassins.
Necros are shit, I dunno.
Wight Kings are just melee dudes.
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>>143702613
it was the same on rome 2's release, which was the time I stopped frequenting that forum
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>>143702634
sidepoint here but the lets plays for this are awful

They're either people with no fucking clue about total war or warhammer, or players who rely on the absolute worst cheese all the time
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>>143702886
Then come he makes every single little shit into a grudge
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>>143703035
Not him, but which hinders movement? They're the one I find the most use of.
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:^)
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>>143701885
There's a placeholder unit card for a "Kislevite Boyar" too.

KISLEV CONFIRMED
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>archaeon shows up turn 56
Isn't this faggot way too fucking early?
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>>143701713
Am i the only one who feels like this will mean CA will be able to go more autistic and indepth and less casual on their historical titles? Previously they've had to take the middle road on their games, but with warhammer, and historical titles coming out, surely Warhammer can be casual fun and the historical ones can be autistic fun, they don't have to cater to both sides so much.
>>
>>143703239

lol all this time i thought valve and blizzard had the most retarded fanbases, turns out it was ca the whole time.
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>>143703163
I think that might be necros actually.
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>>143703303
It's based on something to do with the player, I think it's level of development or something
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>>143702930
It's true. They're good at dying in combat
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>>143703303
That is only the initial invasion. At around turn 100 the rest of the gang and a lord of change show up.
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>>143703239

>Watching a utube 'Let's Play' is almost as good as playing the game itself. The trick is to watch the 'Let's Play' of TRULY independent reviewers

See "Reviewers that agree with me"
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>>143703120
He actually doesn't, he wants to strike as many as possible from the book. And he's quite good at it too. That's why he's carrying it. But he's still a dorf High King, if it's grudge time, then it's grudge time.

>>143703239
Jesus.
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>>143703054
I only ever came there for mods, and I only return for them.
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>>143702835
The only nostalgia that I ever excused is from the original two RCT games

>>143703303
I'm still fucking around in the wastes on turn 60
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>>143703303
He always shows up early. When you kill him he fucks off for a while and comes back later with a proper invasion force.
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God, that feels good. My Grudge Throwers each got 250+ kills.
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>>143703279

>ca confirms 16 races will be in warhams
>everyone assumes its chaos dwarfs
>ends up being kislev
>sobbing_chaos_dork.tiff
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>>143700239
Well the funny thing is that Chosen w/ Shields actually do have like 85% more defense than the Greatswords have Offense, and only TWO less weapon damage including the Greatsword's Anti-Infantry bonus, but they get shit on so fast that they don't actually get to ever hold a line line they're meant to do.

Super elite super expensive troops are worthless in this game because the stats you're buying don't do anything. I don't know what's up with the engine but it's a serious issue
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>>143698560
>runs up behind you
>stabs you once
>you die

heh.... easy
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>>143702207
>Auto collapsing towers put the writing on the wall for me with this franchise, it's over for me

What the fuck? That's such a weird thing to fret about. Like, out of all the things he could have chosen.
>>
>>143703354
Attila was a step in that direction (it may not have been executed perfectly, but still), so maybe.
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>>143702879
Teleport how
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>>143702552
Yeah that's fine. But playing 100hrs of games you continually shit on even now?

For what purpose? I mean if I was like these people and absolutely despised anything after Med2 I'd just stop buying the games and move on. Drop the series keep the memories and play something else
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>>143703568
>the best dawi artillery is a fucking catapult
>not the cannons they're famous for
>CATAPULTS

Triggers me more than anything.
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>>143703432
Nope it's not the initial invasion i already had that.
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I WANT TO PLAY AS ELVES
ANY ELF

PLEASE CA
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>>143700547
Just be aware that Mannfred's stats are deceptive and he's actually ass-terrible at melee in practice.
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>>143703734

Don't worry they'll fix it and all dawi artillery will be trash.
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>>143703035
>not putting all your heroes on province duty
Necro&Banshee both +15% income
Vamp for growth&corruption
Wight Kings for cheaper recruitment
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>>143701885
where can you see those?
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>>143696143
Isn't Kholek unbeatable with the right setup in Campaign since he can get a much higher ward save than other LLs with specific equipment and basically take no damage.from anything.
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>>143703793
He's not that bad, you just gotta remember he's not pure melee, you have to soften up the targets with some soul drain first. Once he gets his top mount he wrecks almost all other heroes if you use a little bit of magic to help him along.
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>>143703883
data.pack/ui/units/icons.
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>>143703239
TWC for worst subfanbase of all fan bases? Iv seen Halo5 fans make more sense
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>>143703772
Hopefully Wood Elves will be the paid scenario race DLC. It's between them, Beastmen or Skaven for the first game.
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>check twcenter
>its a bunch of historyfags butthurt as fuck

Good
The more history "no fun allowed" faggots that quit this franchise the better
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>>143702835
Medieval 2 was and is the best TW fyi

Especially with some of the mods that people have had 10~ years to make
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>>143701605
well that was easy
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Yay, second online battle and second win. Does it mean I am actually not shit?

Those fucking demigryph knight don't die though.
I'd be fucked if he brought some greatswords instead of useless cannons.
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>Play Orcs, ave a blast.
>Now dont want to play any other of the factions
When does Chaos get a lord of change?
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>>143704121
>with some of the mods

So it's not actually the best TW.
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Is this just because I'm playing on normal or does massing unsheilded spearmen work well for anyone else?

They start rank 5 due to tech and woodworker building, then +10 armor from tech, and +12 attack +12 defense from general. Throw in a few key units like reiks gaurd, artillery, and missile units for killing and routing. I'm crushing battles without crushing my treasury.
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>>143704327

>Blocking the names

What a pussy
I wanted to fight you
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>Vamps replaced the statue of Sigmar with this bitch

Now thats heresy
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>>143704356
I think he's trying to say 'the mods make it even better' rather than 'the mods fix it and keep it going'. Though the latter is my personal opinion.
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>>143704190
Why did those guys come there anyway?
>Lets raid the homeland of the biggest raiders in the old world
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>>143704331
Around turn 100. The lord of change along with some other armies spawn and go help archeon
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>>143704356
Actually reading impaired anon,

>Especially with some of the mods

As in, it's the best anyway, but if you factor in the mods then it's so far beyond some of the other that it puts them to shame
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>>143704327
we're going to find you now and have some fun for posting you're steam name
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>>143703806
I feel you need them more on offensive duty. It's not like VC have money issues past the early game or have trouble recruiting shit, but having an army of vampires to spread corruption and banshees to kill off assholes trying to remove corruption helps a lot, both to keep attrition down in enemy territory and to keep unrest down in freshly conquered provinces.
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>>143704394
Yes, it's Shogun 2 ashigaru all over again.
Cheap units benefit more from flat buffs than expensive units. That being said, in campaign you can usually afford armies full of elite units, so it doesn't matter that much.
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>>143704327
>black orcs versus demigryphs
sounds boring tbqh
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>>143704121
Without mods, Shogun 2 is better and FAR more polished. Probably Attila as well.

M2TW on release had some gameruining bugs and a lot were only fixed by modders e.g. Cav charges were completely broken, Gunpowder units didn't work properly, major pathing issues etc.
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>>143704481
You can control them and fight in a battle with the lord of change right? The answer to this will determine if I actually want to play chaos instead of Dwarves or Vampires.
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>>143704565
>As in, it's the best anyway
It's really not, most people would have forgotten it long ago if it wasn't for how moddable it is.
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>>143700092
Why does no one ever mention coh2 when talking about rts? Its like the only rts that still has a large playerbase
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>>143703120
>>143701617
Here's an excerpt about the previous king, Alrik. He was quite traditional. And also carried to battle, but with a bit more practical approach; on a great shield, swinging his two handed axe. He had a bitchin helmet.
>>
>Ghal Maraz quest

Guess I shouldn't have wiped out every greenskin shit outside of the badlands, huh
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>>143704594
>Anal sex that easy.
>with no lube.

Blondie must have an arse like a train tunnel.
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>>143704594
y-you can't see it
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>>143704565
No. The mods are the only thing that make it playable. Try playing it without any mods. Then come back and tell me with a straight face that it held up in any way.
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>>143703354
For Warhammer that is meant to appeal to an already stable money supply? Yes.
For History? Sort of. Rome 2 showed they can't completely normie-cise TW, and that casuals like to have a bunch of depth they dont and wont understand, while acting like they're understanders of strategy.
So we'll likely get Stellaris-type games; games that borrow from more autistic games but bash them so they still exist and can be consumed by a larger walletbase
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>>143701725
>Dead in less than 10 turns
Yeah tough
>>
>>143704701
Because there are only 2 examples for each genre and trying to list every game people might like is pointless?

Also, CoH1 was better.
>>
tfw I find Beginning of the End Times more fun because balance is out the window and everything is broken

tfw this is mostly because The Empire in TW:WH is way overtuned
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>>143704814
Sounds like a badass compared to Thorgrim
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>>143704463
You just said why.
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>>143704442
>not honouring Neferata
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Finally.

Anyone have the roll chart?
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anyone played new CoW (Beginning of the End Times)? Does it play nicely or is it even more scripted, ruskie bugfest?
>>
>>143704649
No when the lord of change spawns and youa re chaos the lord of change betrays archeon and tries to take his place.
>>
>>143705151

>One stack of chaos kill 3 stacks in altdorf

>MUH EMPIRE IS TOO OP

Yeah,I can see that
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>>143701713
>>143702207
>>143703239
This is some NMA-tier shit
>>
>>143704594
whats this from?
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>>143704876

I can't even play it mods or not, I don't understand how people can settle for a broken game and braindead AI
>>
>>143705302
>NMA
Don't remind me.

I very much dislike the new Fallouts too yes all of them, don't give me this F3 vs FNV nonsense, they're both shit, but those guys are just loony.
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>>143701838
>keeping unrest down so you can't farm rebellions for your big bosses

That's some very un-orcy behavior, anon
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tfw goblin spider riders cant ride up walls
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>>143705281

>The AI doesnt know which units are OP

wow oh gee clearly not OP guys, lets just ignore demigryphs and witch hunters haha plz dont nerf I need to feel like I'm good at MP
>>
>>143705410
spartacus

starz production

they do a lot of edgy shows, black sails is pretty good. always a lot of fanservice.
>>
>>143705456
>NV
>shit
wew lad
>>
How should I skill Charles the Frank, summoner of electronic accounts?
>>
>>143705502
Why farm rebellions when you can farm skeletons?
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>>143705281
>one stack of the top tier shit in the game vs the very first units you can get other than that mortar which is a siege weapon
>>
>>143705741
It's better than F3 in some way, worse in other ways, and just as bad in most ways.
>>
>>143705752

>VC
Soul leech to death
>Chaos
Fireball to death
>Orcs
If Azhag, soul leech, if not snipe him with gobbos
>Dorfs
Cannon him out of the sky
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>>143705632
>>143705861

t.buttmad chaos babies mad that they can't just steamroll empire and fullfill their edgy wet fantasies
>>
>>143705151
>Give your chosen marks of Chaos
>they keep the undivided armor
>>
>>143705954
Skill, not kill.
>>
>>143705954
Skill, anon. Not kill. As in, what do I take when I level up.
>>
>>143705954
>>143705752
Oh wait I read that as kill

Anyways make him a melee god
>>
any good mods for rome/attila i missed or should i just go straight to warhammer?
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>>143705752

Make him a one hit killer
Deathclaw as soon as possible
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>>143705264
>Cant even play as the best Daemon
shit game
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>>143706085
>>143706156
VERY WELL

CHARLIE BROWN SHALL CHARGE RIGHT INTO THE ENEMY LINES AND INTO THEIR COMMANDERS WITH HIS GOOD PAL DEATHSNOOPY
>>
NEW

>>143706186
>>143706186
>>143706186
>>143706186
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>>143705752
I'd get the +10 campaign movement, +12 atk/def for spearmen then rest into offencive melee combat.
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>>143705281
My Chosen are all max rank of course they'll kill everything.

Plus the empire murdered a load of them, they had greatswords, demi gryphs and the steam tank.
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So I tried an Ork campaign
>Starts off as an immediate war on all fronts
>Do my best to expand for confederate
>Expansion ends up just earning me more enemies than friends
>Send Grimgor north past all the conflict to sack the shit out of the border princes
>Even with money the war is going to shit as I lose towns to rebellions, WAAAGHs and Dwarves
>Fuck this shit, I don't want to play this
>Ignore everything and just go to see how much damage Grimgor can do
>Sack and raze the main dwarves, eliminate them
>Blaze a trail of devastation through the empire
>Reach the north and take over the northern holds
>Spend 20+ turns fighting Chaos single-handedly with just my rank ten million boyz, gobbos and wolf riders
>Run out of money as the everchosen arrives, have to disband my army
>In one last defiant act my level 25 Grimgor wades in to the enemy army alone and manages to murder the lord of change before being brought down

A moment of silence for Grimgor.
Now tell me, how do you play Orks seriously?
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How do you guys think combat stats for Lords rank? Is charge bonus worth getting? I know Ungrim can get 30% HP but Grimgor only gets like 15%
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>>143705070
Nah, Thorgrim was a very good dorf leader. Almost too good, if you think about it, but the dorf really needed that, because of the constant decline.
Alas, a Skaven happened.

As a side note, 8th edition codex feels soulless compared to the previous ones. Not enough fluff and storytelling. Just compare the writing. There's nothing remotely interesting to screencap from the codex to show. He got the short stick.
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>>143706976
MKAGA
>>
Anyone else think that you should be able to set a WAAGH army to do things like Sack or Raze?

I'd expect an angry giant army of orcs to take all the loot and leave after attacking an army, not settle down and occupy it.
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>>143707428
>MKAGA
Wut?
>>
>>143706498
you start by typing it correctly

negotiate peace with other Orc tribes and remove stunties, once you are done, you should be strong enough to confederate and your enemies, because of the limited fighting, should have no WAAAAGH going
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>>143707902
>Orc

Heresy
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>>143707876
Make Karaz Ankor Great Again

it's a meme you dip
>>
>>143694814

I didn't, a few stacks wandered near my borders. AT this point I was just farming gold since I'd consolidated my power pretty well and took over the top knot land that took up half the Badlands in a blitzkrieg, I could field several powerful armies. Defeated about 5 major character stacks and they must have just petered out up North.
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>>143708141
I'm sorry, last time I browsed /tg/ was years ago. Can't play rpg's alone and I have no one to play with ;_;
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>>143705281
>This guy not comprehending the AI is shit and the campaign has wildly varying stats because of wargear and veteran ranks

Truly a dark day in dark times.
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>>143684458
ARMORED SLAYERS GRIFFON RAIDERS (HEAVY ARTILLERY)
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Do I have a problem lads?

I was playing today as the greenskins trying to unite the badlands and the Dwarfs kept rolling in and fucking up my cities, always running away before I could retaliate. I got so mad that I spent 8 hours playing non-stop until I had genocide every las stuntie fucking shit.
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>>143713034
Welcome to Total War.
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>>143690317
>no floppy hat mod

Wow. That is just EXTRA heretical.
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>>143690714
Hex Wraihs are better at tanking head-on collissions with other cav and tear up heavy armor like crazy. They really do need support though or else they will start to crumble way too easy.
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>>143713034
Nothing wrong there anon.
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>>143693151
Hold on, do Bretonnians really shoot diseased cow corpses from their towers? If so that pretty fucking tight.
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>>143695429
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