/twg/- TOTAL WAR GENERAL

Convince me to play Vampire counts

>>143706186
Fetchez le vache

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IF OUR DAIMYO IS TO BECOME SHOGUN

MILITARY RULER OF ALL NIPPON

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Remember to vote.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10335302
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are the mounts for manny worth it?

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Oy wut's dis den?

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What's the greatest day Karl Franz ever had, /twg/?

>>143706131

Anyone tried Beginning of the End Times mod for Medieval 2? Any improvement over Rage of the Bugs?

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Post battles.

>>143706372
bes boi

>Tfw late stage of the game
>Tfw retiring units that I've been with since the start of the game
>Tfw disbanding Gold rank veterans of Swordsmen to replace them with Greatswords
>Tfw they made it

>>143706343
Yes.

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>>143706416
The Third Battle of the Black Pass of course!

>>143706462
i cri evry time

>>143706416
the day he died and got cucked by chaos when khorne started fucking his wife and he enjoyed it because he's a cuck and also secretly gay

>>143706416
The day Deathclaw let him ride him through Altdorf for the first time.

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>>143706439

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Any advice for playing Chaos?
I really don't like the ranged cavalry.

>>143706462
F

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Galrauch WHEN?
I mean the Knights of the Blazing Sun have been modded in so why not him?

>>143706416
Karl a qt! A QT!

>>143706462
>every man in the unit died at some point but not all at once so the regiment was never disbanded

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>>143706320

>>143706416
The day Deathclaw rode him

>>143706560
Gotta say, that had to have blown his fucking mind, How to Train Your Dragon-style

>>143706627
>savage_orc.jpeg

>>143706420
If the rise of Islam time period interests you
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=662742714
might be worth checking out, seeing as how Attila is unlikely to get any more AoC/Last Roman style expansions.

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KHAZUKAN KAZAKIT-HA

>>143706687
They wouldn't be veterans if that were the case, now would they?

Ok so I'm a amature, shitty Drawfag. I was thinking of doing a propaganda style poster for the Empire or maybe the orcs.

Ideas?

>>143706598
>Cant have the lord of change be in your army
shit game
Glad I didnt play Chaos.

>>143706498
Help, start an Ork campaign is too hard. How do I win?
Just dont expand and just send armies out to loot shit while building a massive stronghold?

>>143706753
>literally nothing but cannon fodder
>cannons sub 300 kills between two

Nigga what?

>>143706817
>can't have a Lord of Change on a boat

1/10 it's okay -IGN

>>143706793
>Gold Rank just means suicidal enough to join a regiment with near 100% death rates

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>>143706687
It's still the same regiment.

Legio Invicta!

>>143706817
There's a mod.

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Third online game and third win.

Seems like an average player has troubles dealing with ork melee rushes.

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>>143706673
>Knights of the Blazing Sun have been modded in so why not him?
How the hell did I miss it?

>>143706901
>>literally nothing but cannon fodder
>>cannons sub 300 kills between two
>Nigga what?

Cannons suck vs hordes, especially on ultra. Look how many kills the Flame Cannon got in comparison.

>>143707046

>ork melee rush

What a nice name for blobbing

>>143706953
>have to mod a game to fix is biggest issues
still shit.

>>143706559
Sup Vlad

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Reposting for dorf fluff because I feel like it and didn't see it's already next thread. We're burning through them so fast.

ELVES WHEN?
L
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W
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>>143707281
Next year.

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>literally turns its head to face you

Spooky

>>143707125
Because they're in with Dismounted Reiksguard Halberdiers
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=691664240

>>143707281
never

>>143706462
>Those 3-4 guys that have actually been there from the beginning of the campaign and passing on the battle knowledge to the new recruits

Dudes must have been grizzled as fuck veterans.

"This is nothing, did I ever tell you the time when our regiment was beset by two Terrorgeists and Mannfred Von Carstein himself?"

>>143707448
I most sincerely want to slap the shit out of the fucker that started the
>Dismounted X
meme.

>>143707513

>Remember lads, never trust a marienburger

How the fuck do the Dwarfs stop Grimgor?

>>143707727
Cannons
At point blank range

>>143707513

how the hell do skeletons pass on knowledge?

>>143707647
Probably Radious considering some of the things his mods offer.

>Tetsubo Ninja Cavalry

>>143707647
Dismounted Reiksguard is actually accurate lore wise, giving them greatswords and halberds not so much

>>143707727

In combat? Either with miners or sick your LL on him and shoot at him with thunderers.,

Why are flying mounts like dragons so shit?

>>143707513
>That time when we stood there in a field and Orcs threw axes at us while Franz fucked about with Deathclaw

good times

>>143707727
Armor Piercing.

Miners do an ok job early on if you don't have anything better.

this shit just happened
>first run, playing empire
>by turn 90 around 2/3th of the provinces have been reclaimed
>some small chaos invasions in the North so I send Franz there with my best army
>out of fucking nowhere 3 full stacked Moussilon armies invade Reikland
>meanwhile a chaos army also manages to sneak into the heart of my realm
>I can't defeat both and lose 4 cities within 10 turns

Didn't save so I'll just have to start over again. Does Moussilon always get so strong on normal difficulty because I really didn't notice them before they invaded.

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>>143707816
It's just the name that really triggers my autism. No self-respecting military unit would ever call itself Dismounted. You're either cavalry, infantry or dragoons. Fuck the bullshit hybrids. Would it really be impossible to just call them Reiksguard halberdiers?

>>143707907
>Does Moussilon always get so strong

out of my 4 playthroughs as empire mousillon
only got strong once every other time they got melted pretty fast.

>Flying Slayer Outrider (Fanatics)

>>143707864
Bigger model size for enemies to crowd round, stuck for ages once surrounded and slow/janky attack animations.

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>Everybody's asking me for a defensive alliance
Being #1 in strength is sometimes annoying.

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>>143706462
This unit has been with since the beginning. Sniped a lot of monsters and they are far from done.

Why is the AI always so hungry for player cock, in my dorf campaign I litteraly got orcs chill next to human armies to get to me, or wade through vampire corruption just to intercept my army.

Next campaign I play VC and both orcs and dwarfes just migrate up north to get upset at me.

>>143707261
>doesnt even stand up to kill a dragon
What a lazy cunt holy shit

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>>143707417

>>143708203
>renaming units
I actually give custom name to every single unit, like for example 4th Spear Regiment

>tfw orc
>tfw people pay me to leave them alone
>tfw I can lose half my raiding warband and the faggot Bretons would still give me 6000 gold to fuck off

>>143706627
Always keep 2 to 4 poison warhounds, give them the banner of swiftness, should you ever come across it, and marauders are useless for anything but being meatshields

And no matter what you want to do with your lord, invest the 4 first points in Growth (blue line)

>>143708021
MEDIUM CAVALRY

>>143708198
Factions with the shield of civilisation trait will try to ally with others that have the same trait.

>>143708423
It seems like the AI does it sometimes too. Seen a renamed Orc unit.

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kholek got fucked by night goblin archers, went down so quickly.

>>143708423
I wanted to do that with the Orcs, but I didnt know where to start with names or how to keep them creative.

I may do it with the Dwarves tho, but dont know how the orcs go about naming there units.

>>143708203
>That first unit of Handgunners that marched with Franz into the depths of the Norsica
>That unit of Spearmen that held the gates against the undead hordes

>>143708423
I do it to every unit that makes it to silver grade.

Silver gets names like "first Handgunners", Gold gets names like "Prince Franz own Greatswords"

>>143706753
>Those flame cannons and irondrakes pulling ironman numbers

Whats the best artillery unit in the game and why is it the doom diver catapult?

>>143708354
>>doesnt even stand up to kill a dragon
>What a lazy cunt holy shit

Or is it:
>doesn't even NEED to stand up to kill a dragon
THORGRIM STRONK

>>143708627
Technically the steam tank is, so its the best

>>143706627
Fuck marauders the only good ones are the great weapon variant. The only redeemable things about them is that they are cheap and that they can get a good flank in because they're fast.

Above marauder tier chaos gets some of the best infantry in the game imo, abuse dat shit.

>>143708354
he is standing up... not that it matters

>>143708627
>Steam Tank

Just name 'em by the size of their 'gits yu stupid humie

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I think I can finally call this campaign finished.

Every Dorf conquered, all Dorf achievements done, Chaos eliminated, Norse eliminated and every non-dead faction loves my dick (except kislev)

Dorfs are pretty fun, but feel broken vs the AI

>>143707727
Thunderers and LL

Alternatively, Hammerers if you have them

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692827422

>This mod
>Those units

Wut. Looks pretty professional though

>>143707647
I'd rather CA kept the "Dismount" button instead of removing it

>>143708702
>>143708756

Anyone pissed off by how retarded its "melee" attack animation

A fucking tank

Has a melee attack

This game is retarded

>>143708881
Runs people the fuck over

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Jesus christ, fantasy Spain DLC when

>>143708957
Probably never.

>>143708881
Well a Tank is roughly 50-100 Tons of metal. basically a massive self propelled ram.

>>143708571
holy shit, teach me your ways grobi-san

HOCHLAND LONGGUNNERS WHEN

STIRLAND RANGERS WHEN

TODBRINGERS HEAD ON A PIKE WHEN

>>143708841
Those are some big ass cod pieces.

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566 turns later and I finally win. And I razed every fucking non-habitable settlement possible.

I got a confession lads

I dont own total war and I can guarantee you I make a ton of shitposts in every iteration of the thread, spreading misniformation and claiming x faction is OP based off the youtube videos and lets plays I watch. I know enough to be a shistirrer, but not enough that I can comfortably say I would do good in the game

I need an intervention im also aussie ama

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What do I do about this Chaos Rift?

>>143709060
EMPIRE ARCHERS WHEN?
I want cheap spammable ranged units to bring against the fucking Undead, crossbows are too good for them

>>143708881
What's so weird about a ramming animation.

>>143708881
While a Tank running plebs down is fine, I do wish it used the gunports more.

>>143708571
Is this Campaign? Wouldnt mind doing an all night gobbo campaign

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What's some good music to remove greenskins to?

>>143708948
>>143709048
>>143709156

Except it would never get enough momentum that quickly, and look at the animation dude, it literally looks like a horse jumping, mechanical vehicles DONT MOVE like that

>>143709087
Resettle it.

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Holy shit, this was absolutely amazing!
The Top Knotz sieged me for a couple of turns and actually attacked Barak Var! The meat grinder was absolutely radical.

>>143708957
That's almost the same Estalian borders as in my game.

>>143709207
I get you anon.

The animation looks a bit silly, even if the concept is fine.

>>143709250
Wait a minute, is that TWO walls?

>Lord of Change keeps pushing my shit in

I fucked up around 120 and I think I'll have to restart

>>143709315
GEE MOM, HOW COME BARAK VAR GETS TWO WALLS TO SIEGE

>>143709207
Yeah but calling the whole game retarded because of that is kinda stupid. It's like that one TWC post about collapsing towers.

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Dark Lands expansion when?

>>143709082
are we just gonna ignore this?

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>>143709250
Here's my deployment in detail. They had 2 siege towers on the left flank so I put a mix of Longbeards and Great Weapon Dwarfs there to contain the threat. Luckily I never had to face the siege towers as they got killed mere inches away from the walls.

I was planning on using the cannons to flank the orcs when they burst through the gate but they never fired a shot at them, unfortunately. They did snipe some orcs on the top of the wall though, funnily enough.

>>143709315
Heck yeah it is! And what a fun siege it was.

>>143709189
yeah its campaign. I don't think doing the entire campaign with just night goblins is viable atm, lack of squigs and snarsnik sucks.

>>143709536
yes

So...

Verdict on WARHAMMER TOTAL WAR?

I literally have Steam open right now and my credit card on my lap.

>>143709510

tomorrow

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>>143709080
>566 turns
>566 turns
>566 turns

RRRRRRRRRRRRAT SCUM

>>143707907

Mousillon always disappears very quickly on my campaigns

OST rip when?

>>143709510
When the Chaos Dwarfs faction DLC comes out

>>143709662
Is Saltzpyre hunting modern skaven?

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>>143709536
>aussie is good at shitposting
What else is new?

>>143709203
>that panzergruppe
Obviously a German military nemesis' song, The Sacred War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2lNuiD7gM

>>143709614

Better than M2

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>Diplomacy:
>Chance of success:
>Moderate

"Moderate" here meaning "fucking impossible"

>>143709614
Obvoiusly depends on you anon.

If you like total war - yes, its one of the best in a long time.

If you like warhammer, again, yes, its a solid game and loyal to the lore.

I wouldn't buy on steam though, there are a few stores doing legit sales already.

>>143709713
Still going at it about those ratmen that crazy delusional old fool.

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>>143709549
And this is the end result. To no one's surprise the Thunderers and the Quarellers were the absolute kings of this siege. I flanked the gates with them oh boy what carnage they delivered.

Some anon gave a tip a while back to put Miners with Charges above the walls, so I did. They instantly routed 2 Troll units that were going for the second gate.

>>143709686
In my Legendary Empire campaign they've managed to take about half of Bretonnia without Louen giving a single fuck, now I'm forced to battle them back and forth in that pass. Chaos hasn't even showed yet and I'm already experiencing some epic battles

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Finally done this, I would kill the dwarfs but they are surrounding their holds with full armies now so it's just a chore.

Has anyone made an army of just mosntrous creatures for vc?

Mainline of varghulfs + terrorgheists and vargheists, crypt horrors, etc

>>143708813
personally not enjoying dorfs myself

thought they would have high damage technology, but really the empire has better shit

my next game will probably be vampire cunts 2.0 as I really enjoyed playing them

>>143709779
>soviet songs
>tanks
>not posting Echelon's Song or Three Tankers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf80AoJkAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuysoNnRiwk

>>143709842
>its one of the best in a long time

I wouldn't say that. I consider Attila one of the best in a long time. Still, I really like TWW, maybe even more.

>>143709898

How did you deal with Lord of Change and what turn did the fuck show up for you?

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Be careful out there anons, seems like Milan found it's way into TW:WH.
Honga is a nice page.

>>143709829
Depends on what you ask probably. I have gotten a lot of success with moderate.

>>143710008
Yes, the problem with dwarf is that all their cool units, like slayers or organ guns, are really underwhelming, so you end up just using your crossbowmen and catapults.

>>143708551

Orc Warboss Burtuz Biggagit. He got promoted to Da Bossygit.

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>>143709662
I really like the atmosphere and characters of Vermintide but I don't like hack and slash gameplay.

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Any reason why I can't confederate the Top Knotz? They're much, much smaller than me.

>>143709898
>Bring the the End Times upon the world
>The world doesn't actually end for all races.

Get to it lad.

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>>143710093
115
I had Archaon and Sigvald right beside him when he turned up, also Archaons entire army was made up of Chosen. He got minced.

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Fug.

>>143710196
pretty much

ranking from coolest units to most boring

>vampire counts: skeletons to giant winged monstrosities to ghosts
>orcs: giant spiders to big orcs to little orcs to giants
>chaos: chaos giants to marauders to chaos batteries
>empire: cannon fodder infantry to steam tanks and griffins
>brittonia: peasants to knights to Pegasus knights
>dwarves: dwarves to slightly angrier dwarves to shitty artillery

>>143710325
they're savage orcs, so I think they count as a different race, so you cant confederate

>>143710347
>siege defense
Give them hell, anon.

>>143710325
Can't confederate just after confederating

>>143708957
>>143709273
In my VC campaign Estalia cucked Bretonnia hard and took ALL of their territory, Bretonnia literally had to run away and re-build in Middenheim at a single city (only to be destroyed by northern raiders shortly thereafter).

I was amazed Estalia did so well frankly.

>>143710325
Confederating has an 8 turn cooldown.

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>>143710441
>Poor little chaos guys

>>143710345

Did you fuck his sub-army before or after?

Can't fight him cause of his sub always being next to him

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>>143710213
Somebody actually called it Bloodborne meets Left 4 Dead. I wanted to die

>>143710469
>>143710501
the debuff is gone so I guess it's >>143710458 thanks

>>143710339
I'm hoping that CA releases a proper end times crisis with the next expansion with simply ungodly units that are unbeatable without 4-5 stack armies going at them one after another.

I want to basically have an end game where It's more a case of "how long can I last" rather then "can I win?"

>>143710483
The Border Princes, Kislev, Estalia, and Tileia all do well because they have the Empires strong ass roster.

Should I be speccing into movement and morale as grimgor?

>>143710536
He was the only army there.

I don't think he gets any support armies when you fight him as chaos.

>>143710606
>Border Princes, Kislev, Estalia, and Tileia

when do these get unique units and aesthetic?

it has been four days already and i am growing impatient

>>143710347

Hold the lines firm. Use magic on those fatties. Your greatswords should be able to keep the walls safe.

Neat. Organized. Lines.

Heroes put in work. Kill their heroes and keep your monsters away from those slayers.

>>143710606
border princes do well until end game, then the unified greenskins start blobbing and the dwarves and princes get genocided

>>143710682
spec into melee, you'll need grimgor to sponge the main orc battle force and keep your units from routing

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How can vamps even compete?

>>143710592
I would prefere not to actually. It would be too stressful and I want to do other stuff that just prepare for and kill chaos every game. I want some other conflicts. The end game they have now is fine.

>>143710712
Why don't we just pull some units from Medieval 2 and give them some fluff from lore?

>>143710592
Thats my biggest problem too. Chaos isn't a threat, sure you might lose a few armies and cities. But its never "I might lose the game if I dont start doing better" and thats how it should be. Chaos should burn down everything, and I do mean everything. No leaving Kisliv or Nordland with 2 territories and just sitting raiding near Talbalcland. They should burn everything between them and Altdorf and they should have way more stacks.

>red fangs have 1 settlement left
>run at iron rock
>See Grimgor coming at them
>Sacks iron rock instead of running
>Gets massacred

So this retard sacrificed his entire army just to hit my settlement once.

>>143710763
I have yet to see Greenskins not just get fucking trounced by Dwarfs but maybe it'll be different in my Legendary campaign

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>>143709708
>Chaos Dwarfs faction DLC
lol

>>143710441
You've never played Dwarfs if you are ranking them last. Between Irondrakes (the flames look so good), Ironbreakers (blasting charges) and Gyros, they are easily higher than the Bretonnia.

I'd also rate Orcs lower.

>>143710830
Would geedubs even let them? They can be incredibly petty cunts.

>>143710786
That's basically an entire army of earlygame vamp units

>>143710802
the end game right now isn't even end game, it's a mid game crisis that effectively end all ongoing rivalry and wars from then on out as world peace is established to fight chaos.

the crisis event should either happen later on or when you get to a certain size ala realm divide, right now it cuts a lot of the middle game cross-faction warfare down to the nub

>>143710712
Aughh can't come soon enough honestly. I want to play humans, but don't wanna deal with Chaos's BS. I wanna be the crusading force that saves the empire not the cuck that gets saved by Estalians.

>>143709080
>566 turns

Jesus fucking Christ anon, was this on Legendary difficulty?

Did you take like 100 turn breaks where you just did nothing but develop infrastructure and expand vampire corruption or something?

>>143710541
I'd probably enjoy it more if it played like a cooperative Bloodborne tbqh.

>>143711002
long campaign as vamps does take ages because of attritiion

>>143711002
>Did you take like 100 turn breaks where you just did nothing but develop infrastructure
it's so easy to end up doing this, which is why I stopped my Empire campaign at 80 turns after I killed off Bretonnia and had NAPs with the east.

>>143701196
A-anyone? Just please tell me how undead work.

Are there any unique buildings to improve Gyrocopter's? Like Gunbad's artillery or Karak Kadrin's Slayers.

Crossbows have a reload animation,
Why the fuck don't handgunners?

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Just imagine how glorious TWW will be when its complete

>In the old world, bretonnia is beset by beastmen and wood elves raiding their lands and fucking their shit up
>Skaven appear from time to time in distant lands to fuck with the local inhabitants, pillage a few buildings , kill some people and vanish soon after
>The empire and vampire counts are plagued by beastmen and civil war, the entire fucking land is literally hell.
>Kislev hussars and cossacks roam the northern plains bullying vikings and eventually archaon till the eventual chaos invasion besiege a moskow-like kislev
>Greenskins fight a two front war, on one side they have their ancient enemies the dorfs, while on the other the undead legions of the tomb kangz creep towards the north always seeking to fuck some vampires
>Dorfs are besieged from the south and from the east by ogres and their meme kin

Meanwhile in the dark lands

>Meme dorfs try to enslave ogres in a perpetual war against the fat fucks, meanwhile lizardmen try to establish a foothold in the dark lands from the dragon isles

And lastly on ulthuan and not-america

>A shitload of navies in the sea fighting for dominancy, the occasional high elf/dark elf fleet that manages to land on a shore raids indiscriminatedly until its met with resistance, fucking off back to where they came.

>>143710702

He constantly spawns with a full stack of Chaos Uprising for me

I'll try reload an older save and hopefully he spawns by himself

>>143710950
playing them now on veryhard, the longbeards feel really underwhelming, the thunderers just handgunners that can do some mild melee, and the cannons feel fairly unthreatening for a technology-focussed faction

everything about dwaves should make them feel unique, but instead they just feel like the mild turtle faction, like the greeks or Spartans in rome total war

>Does this work with Radious?
>Does this work with Radious?
>Does this work with Radious?
>Does this work with Radious?
>Does this work with Radious?

Why do people apparently like this shit so much, just from a quick look

>Nothing ever breaks
>Most of the factions are entirely immune to fear
>Dwarves mathematically cannot rout

Boy this sounds like some fun shit if you ever intend to play VC even a little bit.

>>143711134
Dunno if they are but gyros are always rubbish, even if you like multiply their damage by 100 they still suck

>>143710982
Yeah maybe moving it way later would good, but that need 4-5 stacks to fight(and lose) against god units is just stupid. Everything doesn't need to be about Chaos and the end of the world. It's total war. You change "history".

>>143711130
Its not-gold.

Yes.

Late game you'll have enough money to just spam elite units.

>>143710830
I don't think CA or GW would like that.

Although I would use it released by some unofficial means.

How does the gobbo fightiness work? Do I control the free stack that spawns or are they ai?

>>143711301
I just want a challenging end game, and I feel like after a certain point in every total war game it becomes a case of autoresolving and waiting for unrest to settle down while you continue cleaning the map.

>>143711303
Ok. Could you elaborate only on how killing your enemies/resurrecting them works and I'll fuck off? Thanks.

nth for pls fix the Empire being better at melee than Chaos ty

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>>143710904
Don't remind me anon.

>>143711475
Win a big battle and turn later your spooky not-mercenary pool will get bigger. If you get one of those battle site markers like for "Heroic Victory" you'll get really good shit. VC is really strong because they are the only faction that can instantly recruit units.

>>143709510
>Dark Lands expansion when?

When they decide to add Ogre Kingdoms, Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and in all likelihood Lizardmen. (Lizardmen exist in the Southlands and this would be a convenient way to have them be involved in the action in the Old World.)

Does anyone else have trouble with finding a fucking strategies?

All I know is have one big army run into their own big army and then flank with a small group

is there any strategy guide I can use based around actual battles?

>>143711252
The steam Gyros are fine, they do the job they are supposed to do perfectly.

The brimstone Gyros are ass and the Gyrobomber is pretty underpowered too, especially versus Vampire counts (one group of Bats will kill it).

>>143711475
Instead of global recruitment you can raise dead (don't need to be encamped)

From this you can revive the corpses of units that died in the area (doesn't even have to have been from your battle), it costs a bit of not gold but that's it

So lategame vamps are very hard to wear down because they just keep reviving entire armies after the battle

>>143711113
I got the same borders and beat the Long Victory conditions for the Vampire Counts in 350 turns, so again, I ask...

was this on Legendary difficulty? or did he/you take absolutely MASSIVELY breaks or something?

That is an absurd number of turns to get that result. Even spreading Vampiric Corruption shouldn't take that long, anon...

>>143711471
The victory conditions do make it so it ends basically after the end game(for Empire at least). Making dynamic end game threats(after the chaos invasion) might be a fun idea though. Like Orc horde from the east and skaven invasion(everywhere).

>>143711167
>The Empire and Vampire counts plagued by beastmen
>The Empire plagued by anything
>Run over Beastmen with Chosen Great Weapon equivalent Greatswords
>Run over Beastmen with Demigryphs that are worth triple their price

Please.

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Pontus when?

tfw I would actually pay 5$ for a Pontus DLC in Warhammer.

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>>143711167
It will be glorious. By then I should even upgrade from my current toaster and run it at glorious 4k ultra.

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>>143710347
>notgonnamakeit.jaypeg

>you cant eat captives for replenishment since you have none
>but you can execute these imaginary captives for leadership bonus

Okay then

>>143711732

>being this butthurt for getting trashed in MP

>>143711741
It would be so surreal that everybody would probably buy it.

>>143711502
>nth for pls fix the Empire being better at melee than Chaos ty
It's fucking horseshit

They're supposed to be jack of all trades and instead they're the fucking masters of everything

Vamps and Dorfs don't even get cavalry/artillery yet they get no major advantage over the empire for this loss

>>143710441

Ranking from best to worst

>Empire
>Orcs
>Dwarves
>Chaos
>Brettonia
>Vampire Counts

>>143711475
Oh yeah for some reason Kislev always has a ridiculous amount of units in the raise dead pool. I guess they die by the thousands stopping chaos.

>>143710904
It's possible later on, they said 16 factions across three games which doesn't seem ambitious considering that the first game + DLC will have 7-8.

>>143710961
>>143711409
It's easy to make and share mod files, right? Don't need to use Steam workshop for everything (like every other game in existence?) Unless this game's a big cunt and does weird shit.

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Is Kislev in the game? Like are they an npc faction? If so, do they have unique models?

Convince me to play Dwarves or Empire.
Chaos a shit
VC a shit

>>143711938

No unique models for now

However they will be DLC

>>143711938
Yes.

Yes.

No.

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>>143711525
Thank you anon, I was actually looking for that earlier.

>>143711938
Just an empire clone with unique voices for now, but it's heavily hinted they are a future DLC

>>143711817
I just want the game to be fun and fair so that the multiplayer might have a little life instead of being dead in a month :D

Not that it doesn't fuck up the campaign too, The Empire is boring to play because your units are just better and cost less. It's the only faction that isn't really that hard on Legendary

>>143711620
>>143711892
>>143711664
Sounds cool, thank you.

>>143711971

You can blitzkrieg everyone with 19 tanks as the empire

>>143711938
Only Unique voice lines and a hidden entry in the encyclopedia. Estalia, Teilia, and Border Princes share the same lines.

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>>143711971
play empire for fairly challenging early and late game

great hero

great units

great feeling of desperation when coming across monster and giant opponents

also, anyone seen the increased chaos horde mods on the workshop? are any of them any good? I'm looking for increased chaos army stacks for the warriors of chaos faction and endtimes event

>>143712032
Yeah I wanted to like the empire because of actually having to do diplomacy and all that jazz but they're so strong it really doesn't need to be used

>>143709849
But what if they are real?

>>143711637
History.

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>>143711790
>I didn't even get more kills than them

Shamefur dispray.

So whatever happened to the Morion helmets from the Black Fire pass video? Do the Tileans and Estalians where them now? I don't remember seeing any Empire units wearing them in my two playthroughs.

>>143711525
man, I know nothing about Chaos Dwarfs or other Warhammer lore, but I find this pic funnier every time I see it

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>playing as bretonnia
>you can make an airforce composed of pegasus knights

Im playing modded bretonnia in my next campaign

>>143711867
Well VC does get Cav, they just suck.

All of the VC units suck including their monsters. They're just big and throw units around so people get the impression that they're actually doing something(they aren't, and they die much more quickly than other monsters).

Dwarves suck but at least Hammerers and Iron Breakers are good. Gyrocopters are one of the biggest disappointments this game can offer. The other being how much Chaos underperforms for what you pay.

It all comes down to Melee Attack and Defense being worthless stats but you still have to pay for them, basically.

>>143711234
It's pretty much just popular because it's popular at this point.

>>143712119

WTF are the Bjornling doing?

>>143706416


When he summoned the elector counts.

>>143712334
>they aren't, and they die much more quickly than other monsters

Because you need to micro them out of combat to regen, if you aren't a retard they last much longer than other monsters

>>143712119
>great feeling of desperation when coming across monster and giant opponents

honestly this only happens when you're still learning and being impressed with the size of monstrous stuff.

demigryphs will straight up 1v1 any monster in the game, especially if they have halberds. it's a non issue t b h

>>143712398
I swear they do that shit every fucking campaign. It was pretty fucking annoying when they came around with their three full stacks of marauder shit.

"Dude bjorn let's go raid in the badlands that'll please the dark gods!"

>before launch, been looking forward to play empire and dwarfs the most
>not even interested in touching greenskins or chaos

>play empire day 1, don't really like it
>start new game as dwarfs, don't really like it
>start as chaos, have a blast, finish campaign
>next campaign, greenskins, have a blast, finish campaign
that was unexpected

>>143712287
Chaos dwarfs were an army of well, Chaos dwarfs. And were kind of Babylonian influenced. They weren't popular at all and were basically removed from the game as an actual faction. There's a very, very small fanbase of them remaining, but I think its a meme at this point. Either way, Chaos dwarfs as an actual army has been a long running joke.

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>>143712253
>they razed Drakenhof
>THEY RAZED FUCKING DRAKENHOF
>AFTER THEY SUDDENLY BACKSTABBED ME WHILE I WAS OFF FIGHTING BRETONNIA

YOU BETTER FUCKING BELIEVE I'M GETTING MY OWN BOOK OF GRUDGES FOR THIS

AND IT WILL ONLY HAVE ONE PAGE IN IT

AND THAT PAGE WILL ONLY HAVE ONE SENTENCE ON IT

AND THAT SENTENCE WILL BE "DO NOT REST UNTIL EVERY MOTHERFUCKING LAST DWARF COWARD IS DEAD"

RACE WAR NOW GAS THE DAWI

>>143712253
Too many Vargeists, you mighta held out longer otherwise.

(Those don't do shit and they suck, the Frenzy bonus is literally 8 melee attack, which is worthless)

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>>143712419

>try chaos dragon in custom battle to see how fast it can kill a unit of zombies
>it fucking died

It couldn't fucking outdamage the shitty passive heal aura of the necro, I don't even

When Dark Elves arrive, they will come with a slavery mechanic yes?

>>143712679

kek
Based dwarfs, one less grudge in the book

>>143707647
Dismounted shit has existed since vanilla M2

>>143712798
Youll probably be able to turn prisoners into growth

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So my first Legendary empire campaign went bellies up because I conquered Brettonia in the first 70 turns and that caused everyone to hate me and for my tech/economy to be lacking due to spending all money on armies.

I thought I had to rush to conquer as much land as possible before Chaos arrived? This game has no turn limit and Chaos onky arrives once you have x number of towns? Anyone know

>>143712687
That wasn't even an army, it's just the default garrisoned shit.

My armies were off on the other side of the map killing Bretons when suddenly King Cuck decided it was time to give me a reason for Dwarf genocide.

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>>143712679
We smelled your smelly cunts upwind and we couldn't stand it.

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>no cool duels between commanders like in MoC

why

How to overcharge spells? And how can i take a look at the victory conditions mid-campaign?

>>143712461
>Sitting out of combat with your monster for 10 minutes is viable

I wish they didn't suck because I think VC is pretty cool, but they suck.

>Less time in combat
>Less effectiveness
>Lose HP more quickly when in combat
>Lower HP Pool
>Vargulf intentionally bad Leadership
>Others rely on Leadership to function
>The moment they start losing a little bit they start cooking their own HP

It just isn't any good. They aren't strong enough to make up for how much they get fucked.

>tfw 32 global recruitment slots

>>143712989

Crumbling is way better than routing tho

>>143712860
chaos arrives between turn 80 and 100, some mods push it back to turn 130

surviving chaos is more a case of migrating south and making sure there's a big old buffer of smaller states between you can the chaos wastes for the chaos warriors to get bogged down in

>>143712927

The only cool thing about it was the ring of fire because the animatios are ass

>>143708021
They'd be light horse, actually.

Dragoons turned into regular cavalry by 1700. Light horse is the contemporary name for infantry who fight dismounted and use their horses to transport themselves.

Infantry, light horse, cavalry.

>>143712973
You can overcharge spells by double clicking them if they have the little arrows beneath their icon.

And you can see victory conditions by clicking the objectives button on the bottom right of the interface somewhere

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Do I have a problem lads?

I was playing today as the greenskins trying to unite the badlands and the Dwarfs kept rolling in and fucking up my cities, always running away before I could retaliate. I got so mad that I spent 8 hours playing non-stop until I had genocided every last stuntie fucking shit.

>>143712687
>Enemy army has 4 units of Vargheists
>they skirt round my gunline and attack my unprotected back, take ages to kill off
>feels like they were MVP of the battle for VC
>check kill stats
>average of 20 kills each, on Ultra

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>youll never be one of grimgors immortulz

>>143713156
>Killing stunties
>bad
Time well spent
I spent 10 hours the other day WAAAGH!ing

>>143713156
Well that's actually one of your victory conditions.

anyone have the warhammer roll chart?

>>143712757
The Dragons are terrible and are basically shit versions of Gryphons

The stat cards in this game are becoming questionable, because they are terrible indicators of how effective something actually is. The only way to know if something is any good is to test them out because the stat cards will ruse you.

>>143713093
Are you sure? In my legendary campaign they arrived around turn 64.

>>143712334

Look at it this way, it's all balance stuff and easy to fix

Anyway VC sucks complete dick, I started carrying a vampire in every army to spirit leech enemy lords and go mass zombies/hexwraiths, everything else is worthless

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WHY ARE VAMPIRE COUNTS SO SHIT
UGH
GUH
GHU

>>143713205
it's more the terror they inflict

playing vampire counts is all about numbers and tiring out your enemy before throwing in another wave of their formerly alive companions and another crypt hoor for good measure

Is the dwarf legendary campaign fun?

>>143712875
Now we're square for thane Orgrimm and Aliathra's honor guard, Manny.

There's a few grudges left for you too.

>>143713319
Depends on your imperium score iirc.

>>143713093
I've gotten really lucky in my Orc and VC campaigns, Chaos didn't bother me at all. Empire and Dwarfs ground them down pretty badly and I was able to mop them up around Kislev/Altdorf while they were sieging.

>>143713319
The first Chaos wave arrived in my VC playthrough by turn 60.

The second Chaos wave with Archaon arrived by turn 100.

I wish the FPS was reduced to 30 or something when you alttab. CPU and GPU contiguous use is irritating.

>>143713065
Is it?

Is deleting yourself instead of running away and coming back 15~ seconds later better?

At best it's pretty equivalent, at worst it's probably robbing you of troops you could have kept using

>>143713280
>>143713283
I was more concerned that I refused to leave the house until it was done. The WAAAGH! was part of me.

>>143713550
How's that calculated?

>>143713531
Too bad you won't be able to settle any of those grudges, because in 2 turns my armies will arrive and they won't stop until every last of you misbegotten runts lies broken.

>>143713554
It's completely better for tarpitting, but yeah it costs you more troops. Which is why VC gets free revives after battle.

>>143713553
alttabbing this caused my graphics card to overheat to insane levels which nothing else has ever done

I'm too scared to do it again

How do the factions rank when it comes to battles?
It seems to me Chaos>Dwarfs>Orcs>Empire>Vampire Counts>Bretonnia

>>143713673
Dorfs stronk, you traitorous cunt.
You'll make the orcs fight for you like the last time too?

>>143713554

Look at it this way

You last longer at fights, roughly the same amount that a unit that has routed and came back would last, and if a unit has routed already chances are it will take even more losses as it runs away, effectively making it weaker by the time it runs back.

And if you lose your lord it means that the battle is not on your favor to begin with, so the odds are that you will lose with or without crumbling.

Most undead units shouldn't feel fatigue IMO.

How are unit descriptions like Anti-Infantry actually coming into play? Is it some hidden bonus on their weapon damage or something?

The tooltip of the regular Demi Gryphs just talks about normal and armor piercing damage, the halberd version is almost the same and lists the expected bonus against large.

>>143713671
I'm not 100% but I think it's area captured/razed. You can sit in one or two provinces and build up pretty much forever without Chaos getting the party started.

>>143713762
Empire is top by a big way

>>143713762

Have you even played the game?

Empire > POWER GAP > Dwarves > Orcs > POWER GAP > Counts > Chaos

>all these faggots crying about greatsword

Did you think that "Anti-Infantry" was a big meme?

Stop being retards and pick them from afar or with cav charges

>>143713861
Tempted to do that as vamps

Just build up an insane amount and then expand

>>143713804
This is really the big thing that bothers me about VC, that skellingtons and ghosts get winded (other than the general auto-resolve and magic scaling bullshit). Fucking really? At least Chaos gets a fat bonus to stamina from their lord.

>>143713762
Chaos feels brutal as fuck, I always lost a good amount of units during those quest battles because these Chosen just carve each other but like there's no tomorrow (which there might not be).

Dragon Ogres seems to be really powerful at just breaking everything around them and taking out big targets. It is too bad how absolutely awful they are at autoresolve so you have to fight every god damn garrison.

Healing as chaos is just suffering.

>>143713205
>>143713369
Vargeists literally do not do shit.

>Damage dealer

Yeah my fucking ass.

>Frenzy

Oh, that 8 melee attack that the game almost doesn't care about? How USEFUL

Also, Vampire counts should be about numbers, but they aren't. If they had an extra 10 slots over other armies they might be. You could take a bunch of zombies like that. As is, you're filling slots with zombies and if you go past a certain point you're wasting time because your army isn't going to have any killing power. Your units already have below average stats across the board, so filling it with actual-filler units too much makes them even worse.

>some fag told me savage big un boar boyz are best
>do hardly any damage
>have low leadership
>die super quick

What a mistake they were

>>143713782
>I don't think I'll need any orcs to finish off a rabble of cowardly backstabbers

>>143714027
That could be easily changed too, though? Just give every undead a gigantic bonus to stamina.

>>143713980
How do black orcs look in comparison to greatswords?
They are in the same price range.

>>143713980
>Empire is a faction that's established to not have the best infantry
>has the best infantry of the game

The whole fucking point of chaos warriors is their exceptional infantry, it shouldn't be worse than empire's cheap units

>>143714008
You kind of have to since your early troops are made of paper mache before lord/research/building upgrades.

>>143713794
>And if you lose your lord it means that the battle is not on your favor to begin with

Or they had 3 Witch Hunters rotating Accuse for free on your Lord the moment he tries to support the battle

>>143714167
Just get great weapon Chosen and fuck shit up.

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About to start a Greenskin campaign, had a question about their Legendary Lord quests.

Are there any quests I need to focus on doing ASAP for the Greenskin LLs that will be forever locked out if I don't do it early enough?

Was really disappointed when I couldn't progress further with Kemmler because he wanted me to siege and raze Empire Territories despite all the Empire Territories being long since dead.

I don't even care if I have to start with a shittier LL or army composition, I want both my LLs to be able to reach their maximum potential.

>>143713554

>Slayer King and some Dorf vs Orcs.
>Fighting the good fight.
>Dwarfs all route.
>They come back only to be hit by catapults.
>Route again.
>Reform and try to run all the way up to king.
>Route again.
>Essentially running up like.
>I have returned.
>Oh shit no.
>Wait maybe.
>Okay definitely not.
>Meanwhile the Slayer king is fighting alone for the whole battle.
>While the dwarves run around the field completely indecisive about whether they are staying or going,
>Would rather have them die on the spot to be honest senpai.
>Die at least with some honor intact.

>>143713971
Not even listing Bretonnia anon you're killing me.

>>143714167


>greatsword
>empire's cheap units

Total Warhammer either runs or looks awful

No in between

>>143713838
Its a hidden passive something like "+10 against infantry" I'm pretty sure.

>>143714168
Nah because you can expand into other vamps and still cause chaos to pop up

And troop matchups isn't a real issue there

>>143714248
They dont count because they arent even finished yet

>>143714291
I don't know what you're talking about. It runs better than Rome 2 or Attila ever did, even at max settings.

>>143714220

>playing MP
>expecting to not get cheesed

your fault really

>>143713980
>>143713838
Anti-Infantry gives 10 weapon damage against infantry.

What's pathetic is a super-elite unit like Chosen /w Shields have 90% more melee defense than the Greatswords have melee attack, and have much more melee attack than the Greatswords, but will just get absolutely shit on.

If anything the Greatswords should win the fight but it should take them 5x longer because the Chosen should seriously almost never get hit.

This game's engine is fuckin busted

>>143714257
As in Empire as a whole has cheap units

And greatswords are superior to more expensive options for other armies

>>143714085
>not having 2 units of Fell Bats and 2 units of Vargheists in every army

Dude, I've never once felt the pain of not having ranged units as a result of this army composition. I can ALWAYS lock down their ranged or artillery units with them.

Not only that, when all 4 work in concert and are upgraded they can basically take out the enemy general on their own.

Their benefit is in their mobility, not their damage.

>>143714104
They're quite good in comparison to everything but Demigryphs

Stop crying about empire

The day total war gets balanced based on MP is the day this franchise becomes a total meme

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>143714240
You kinda need to rush azhag because he's dogshit without the crown

>>143714239
GW Chosen randomly sometimes lose to Greatswords(possibly depending on a better charge or downhill, etc.)

But for the most part they barely win and still lose like 66%+ of their unit.

Greatswords and Demigryphs are pretty broken
>>143714257
Greatswords are 45%~ cheaper than Chosen, and WAY cheaper than Great Weapon Chosen.

They're cheap in comparison. But on the Chosen you're paying for fluff stats that don't do anything.

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>Playing mp
>total war

Why would you do that?
Even worse
>taking total war mp seriously

>Bored of my Orc campaign
>Cant bring up the interest to play as any other faction.

>>143714604
Theres balancing OP units and then theres balancing beyond OP units

Demigryphs and most importantly witch hunters both fall under that category

Stop crying because you wont be able to cheese battles with the press of a button anymore

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Idk how this is going to work out for you Archi.

>>143714617
I'm less worried about Azhag being less viable than I am about him being completely locked out from the wind of death entirely due to some arbitrary quest bullshit.

What I mean is that is there any point in his quest-line that has something along the lines of "raze 3 territories in Sylvania" or other VERY specific things that you could be locked out from entirely if you don't do soon enough.

>>143714814

They can't expand into your lands so that don't really stop them from raiding your shit

>>143714549
Fell Bats are cheap so throwing them away as a distraction isn't such a big deal.

Vargeists honestly probably do less damage than Fell Bats though, they need a huge buff.

All this talk about Greatswords

Dont like Grave guard GW have almost similiar stats?