/twg/- TOTAL WAR GENERAL

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IF OUR PRINCE IS TO BECOME EMPEROR

MILITARY RULER OF ALL ELECTOR COUNTS

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WE WOLF-EMPERORS NOW

Anyone have the FLC chart?

>>143660032
IF OUR ELECTOR COUNT IS TO BECOME EMPEROR

TRUE RULER OF ALL THE EMPIRE

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>>143660083

>>143660024
Thanks for the help. I'm assuming I should switch to using Chaos Warriors as my bread and butter instead of Marauders ASAP?

>>143659920

>Now this is pod racing

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At the Battle of the Bitter Moors, Karl Franz comes face to face with both Boris Todbringer and the Ar-Ulric.

He gets fucked up

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good luck, I'm behind 8 ironbrakes

>>143660036
Oh shit, can you play as averland?

What provinces does VC get unique buildings?

Is there a list of unique buildings for each faction?

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Why is handgunner upkeep/price as high as it is?

The primary appeal of those kinds of firearms is that you can give them en masse to shitty untrained peasants and have them kill things way more expensive than them. Increasing their costs defeats their purpose

And where the fuck are my pikes? How do I do pike and shot with no pikes?

>>143660148
this is all contained in just one dlc?

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>tfw Manny throws himself in front of the chaos horde for you

Almost makes me feel bad for crashing into him after he stops the invasion

Also
Some based dwarfs are guerrila razing the norscans

Based as fuck desu

>>143660082
I know right? It's like the game is a sand castle and Chaos is some dickhead who comes and stomps on it. You're having plenty of fun before they show up, but then you have to spend all your time telling them to leave you alone rather than building more sand castles.

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>enemy orcs have one general left alive with like zero hp
>attack with my smaller supporting stack
>10 units vs 1 guy with 1 hp, game says the guy has like 25% chance to win
>fuck that, go into manual combat
>first arrow flies at the orc, he dies
>"Decisive victory"
I wasted two 5 minute load screens for this
Auto resolve math are fucked

TWW may be the first Total War where I finish the game with every single faction and don't get bored.
I'm finishing up second VH campaign now and can't wait to play legendary Empire next.

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THIS THREAD DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT!

>>143660264
No, it will be like the free content updates in Atilla, it will come out alongside a paid DLC probably. The lores and heroes are probably going to be the same FLC though. You are going to have to add a new hero when you add a new lore of magic.

anyone have any good strategic tips? I feel like I am a shit commander. Like what the fuck do you do to a enemy camping a hill and not moving? Especially when you have basic units?

Also, are goblins good AT ALL in green skin army? I want to make a army mostly of goblins lead by a goblin grreat shaman.

Also.. what the fuck role does azag the slaughterer play compared to grimgor? Aren't they both supposed to be melee except I think azhag has access to black magic?

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S U M M O N
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>>143660262
>And where the fuck are my pikes? How do I do pike and shot with no pikes?
you got the superior form
HALBERDS BABY

>>143660148
Who do you think the new LL for Vampires will be? Krell? Vlad? Neferata?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692561622

Anyone tried this mod out?

>>143660335
>5 minute loading screens
why didn't you install the game on your SSD anon?
you do have an SSD, right?

>>143660380
SUMMON THE ELECTRO CUNTS

>be empire
>1120938 chaos sorcerers/champions enter my lands corrupting everything
>all these fucking half-stack nigger hordes teleporting behind my armies
>chaos only warring empire provinces and not literally everyone

>chaos half-stack literally raiding right outside their capital
>they have a full stack and don't do shit

>dwarves declare war on me and sue for peace the second they encounter resistance
>fucking
>dwarves

This is WRE attila levels of annoying

>>143660148
next expansion when

>>143660473

Anything other than a Strigoi would piss me the FUCK off.

>>143660473
Vlad, he is the only named Lord who hasn't been put in the game yet. So far they have kept pretty consistent with what constitutes a Lord. Krell is a named hero unit.

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>step out of the settlement for a moment to sack a neighboring one
>Grimgor nuttin' personnals it immediately through the Underway, sacking it before vanishing again

>>143660550

next week

>be orcs
>Chaos invasion 2: electric boogaloo begins
Suddenly 3 Bjornling ships land in Southwestern badlands

Well, I already had 2 goblin stacks with Waaghs down there so I exterminated them in two turns, but literally how does that happen?

>>143660396
Halberds are great and all, but not nearly long enough in the game

Actual pike walls would fuck shit up way better

>>143660493

Might be interesting

>>143660586
But it wouldn't make sense for Vlad to work under Mannfred.

>>143660473
If they don't make it the Red Duke I quit. They have to make Bretonnia relevent somehow.

>>143660089

Does anyone know what's going on? I'm trying to edit the damage on spells and Gyro bombs but the changes won't take effect.

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irondrakes may not be the best unit, but they sure as hell are fun
at least they occupy cavalry for long time with their 120 armor

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>>143660610

>>143660682
There are no other named Lords in the vampire 8e book, so unless they are going to pull a character from an earlier book there isn't much of a choice.

>>143660645
That's where they spawn, it's to make Chaos relevant to stunties and greenskins.

I was completely wrong about the awful Goblin leadership being a negative.

It actually works to their advantage, your units always run before getting totally smashed and they're faster than most (maybe all) other infantry so they generally get away. Plus, once they're buffed with magic and the hero skills they're not that bad in combat.

The battles generally devolve into a complete mess with enemy melee chasing my gobbos and my wolves and archers dealing with their ranged and siege units.

It's literally fucking impossible to kill combat focused lords though, just have to feed them units to slow them down. And I'm not sure what I'll do against Chaos when I have to fight them.

>>143660645
It always happens, I guess it's so you feel a bit of the Chaos love if you're playing Dwarfs or Orcs.

SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

>>143660647
But they wouldn't. Because FUCKING PIKE WALL, SPEAR WALL, SHIELD WALL AND LOOSE FORMATION ARENT IN THE FUCKING GAME.

ill never not be mad.

>>143660789
I think they might. They put Kholek in for the WoC and he doesn't even have a model.

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Talebecland betray the honour of the Wolf-Emperor. They besiege Altdorf while his armies are busy in Marienburg.

I hope they don't think this act will get them on my good side.

>>143660252
Yep, you can play as every minor faction.

>>143660827
>And I'm not sure what I'll do against Chaos when I have to fight them.
Autoresolve them with Waagh stacks.

i dont know if its the larger units mods but the AI seems mega fucked recently

>Wait for me to attack
>Send in all my range units
>get assblasted for about 5 minutes
>still not moving

is it like this for anyone else?

>>143660789
>>143660586
But anon Vlad was dead in the game's timeline, it took Nagash to resurrect him in the End Times.

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>firing mass dwarven cannons at Giants
>watching the cannonballs bounce off him with each hit
>one shot bounces off the back of his head and lands on a nearby Goblin Big Boss and pancakes him

This is too funny

>>143660915
Well yeah, there is that option.

Even against Dwarfs and Orcs stacks of Goblins still tend to perform better in the auto resolve, it is fun to fight the battles though.

>>143660789

>There are no other named Lords in the vampire 8e book

Fuck the rules.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ushoran

>>143660905
How?

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VOTE

http://www.strawpoll.me/10331992

Someone please teach me how the fuck do I play VC?

I made it to turn 100 with 3 1/2 provinces because of how slow corruption spreads. I lost when Archaeon the fuckboi made a beeline towards me instead of the Empire.

I can't trade with anyone so getting income is a bitch.
Everyone cost so expensive and the skeletons and zombies are trash for expanding in the early game.

Is there something I am missing? I beat the game on hard with Empire and Dwarves but VC seems to stump me.

>>143660938
Azhag has been dead for a while. I don't think they're going to worry about throwing in a few characters from the past of the fluff.

>>143660473
I'm not sure they're getting one. The images behind them seem somewhat random. Obviously the magic ones do.
I think they said the free lords would be rivals in the lore, and I forget the names but that'll probably be greenskins and dorf lords.

Vlad would make the most sense. Krell doesn't make any sense as a lord, should be a unique hero that comes with kemmler. Neferata makes the least sense for a total war game. Sure she CAN fight, but she doesn't want to.

Konrad is probably the most likely I'd say.

>>143660696
Bretonnia as a whole will release for free with updated roster.

Red Duke is silly given the current absence of the Blood Dragons, and isn't pertinent to the vague chronological setting of the game. Mallobaude is the way you would go if you want a Bretonnian vampire. But he would still start in Sylvania so that doesn't make sense either.

>>143661010
Would be a good choice for a pure melee LL which the VCs lack

>>143660859
Kholek was in the book however.

>>143661097
But it makes no sense, pulling a long dead character out of the air who would be almost identical to an existing character, right down to appearance. If they're gonna do anything it should be a Strigoi, Blood Dragon or Lahmia.

>>143661074
Plop an agent into the province you want
march in with your army and take one of the settlements in 2-3 turns, suddenly you have 30-50% corruption and an a town to garrison in to prevent atterition in case they have corruption reduction in that province
Kill orcs for ez relations
and skellies and zombies are godlike early, also dire wolves

>>143661038
mods

>>143661142
The other Legendary Lord is going to be Whurzag, and it has the orc banner behind it. The other Legendary Lord has part of the vampire city behind it.

>>143661306
Oh right, I just meant they seem to be ok with dead characters coming back.

I wasn't putting my money on any specific one.

>>143660997
Well, if the Chaos gits don't have any wolves or Marauder horses, you could try going full Attila on them with wolf riders.

>>143660789
>so unless they are going to pull a character from an earlier book there isn't much of a choice.

I know Total War Warhammer is not the same as the tabletop game, but if they do this it is totally allowed by the rules. You can use old heroes in the new setting.

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HE WAS MY MILITARY ALLY

>>143661356
I remember when you can unblock the other faction just changing a minor shit in some txt

>>143661306
Vlad is far more popular than some literal who you would put in for those other factions.

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>>143661097

Unless im wrong, I'm pretty sure the game starts at the year 2502 and Azhag is pretty much alive at this point

He dies at 2512-2515

t. army book

Is it just me or are ranged units really finnicky in TW:WH? They refuse to fire at anything constantly, claiming that they're 'obstructed' even though they're on flat ground right in front of the enemy.

>>143661472
Should've dragged him to war with the empire then buddy.

>>143661356
So you have some shitty lord as LL?

>>143661545
But he's too similar to Mannfred and would never work with him

>>143661306
Why no zacharia with dragon zombie?

What about Arkhan the Black.

he would make more sense than Vlad

or even Konrad, but neither of those three would answer to Manny

Anyone know where the game stores save files? got that weird autosave bug that causes a CTD

>>143661609
Mannfredd is presumed dead until around 2522 when he reinhabits Castle Drakenhof

t. army book

>>143661472

HE WAS A CONSUL OF THE EMPIIIIIRE

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Why does Coke Life taste so shit?
Never buying that garbage again.

>>143661472
AND A GOOD FRIEND

>>143660647
not really
a pike phalanx wouldn't hold very long against a charge of Chaos/Greenskins who are basically just angry mountains of muscle

>>143661545
But he's too similar to an existing character, if you want Vlad just make a mod that renames Mannfred.

>>143661663
Because that'd just look like a skinnier version of Manny, at least the other three bloodlines have unique looks and philosophies.

>>143661721
>What about Arkhan the Black.
Arkhan's a Tomb King, not a vampire.

My money is on Neferata for VC, and Skarsnik as Greenskin LL.

>>143661802
>comparing a character who has been dead for 5-10 years in the lore to someone who has been dead for around 200.

>>143661653
>>143661936
It is a FLC, what do you expect? that is like saying Suebi shouldn't be the FLC because they are too similar to the other germanic hordes.

>>143661918
But you could say the same thing about a spear wall or any formation composed of humans

Pikes would just be for what's left after the rifle volleys anyways

>>143660495
I had 30gb on the SSD and the game needed 24gb, I figured by the time there's an expansion it'll be too big to fit

>>143662017
Why would you have a sneaky diplomatic isolationist who views Sylvania with disdain from their distant home as lord of Sylvania?

OVER THE BLACK MOUNTAINS PERHAPS?

>>143662047
>comparing a character who has been dead for 5-10 years in the lore in a faction without necromancy to someone who has been dead for around 200 in a faction that is known for necromancy.

ftfy

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>leoun sends a army of grail knights to fight the forces of chaos
what a fucking bro, gonna send KF himself to join up with him

>>143662085
It would be pointless to have two LLs with the same powers. They'll pick a melee focused one for VCs.

>tfw you know very little about the lore
Which books are worth reading?
Do you have to read the tabletop gamebooks to get full lore?

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>>143662085
Oh sorry, I thought we were supposed to want interesting content as consumers.

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>alright motherfuckers, it's time to fight chaos. I've done my part and completely wiped out the Greenskins, so Karl let's team up and...

Fuck

Looks like all that is left of the Empire is Wissenland, which migrated south and ate the entire Border Kingdoms

I like the fact that buildings don't have negatives, I hated that in Rome 2

I bet there's people who think this is too casual though

>>143662205
>>comparing a character who has been dead for 5-10 years in the lore to someone who has been dead for around 200 that has been stated to be too powerful for anyone but Nagash to resurrect.
FTFTFYFY

>>143662260

8ed Army Books for starters

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/2qbp22o8ch8qc/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battles

>>143660383
Goblins aren't too bad at all.

I'm going with an army comp that's 4-5 fast cav, usually just the basic wolf riders right now, 1-2 rock lobbers so the AI will attack you and then the rest is an even split between melee and ranged gobbos.

Make sure to get your archers to the sides out of the way of the charge then use them to focus down enemy ranged along with charges from your wolves. Your melee line will get fucked up a bit but usually they'll all run and be chased which will just spread all the AI units about. Use your shaman buffs, and make sure to get the unit buff skills for goblin infantry with him.

You'll have to just tar pit the enemy lord, you can't kill him unless he's a wizard type.

This is up to turn 70 against Orcs and Dwarfs anyway, not sure how goblins will handle armies of high tier units.

>>143662380
>implying you aren't Nagash when you play VC
come on

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>>143661472

>>143662179
>Why would you have a sneaky diplomatic isolationist who views Sylvania with disdain from their distant home as lord of Sylvania?
For variety.

All the other von Carsteins are practically the same guy role-wise. There's little variation around them except for characterization. Unless they're going to throw out an odd-ball Undead choice that isn't a vampire, a Lamian is the way to go.

Neferata is also one of the oldest and best known VC characters, arguably Warhammer characters as a whole. From that POV she's a logical choice.

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>All this talk about vampires

I just want my eco terrrorist, living tree riding,slightly ayy-ish elves

>>143661609
So he is, I hadn't even noticed that it was set in a proper year, I assumed it was an alternate timeline or something.

>>143662392
Nice

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Can I make it lads?

>>143662520
>konrad is the same as the other von carsteins

fuck off, konrad doesn't get access to magic in the tabletop

>>143662575
I'm more interested in how there's a big non-settlement ruin where Skavenblight should be

>mfw orcs can recruit forest goblins
>literally can't own a single province with a forest where you'd find them

>>143660970
Does that actually happen?

>>143662350
It just limits you in building settlements in a way you like it.
Nothing harder in managing Attila settlements, once you figured what to build to keep sanitation/food/religion up its always the same.

I am grateful that they finally abandoned the fucking food-mechanic, and especially the fertility.

This isnt farming simulator 2016.

>>143662694
That's because Konrad is the retarded baby of the family.

>>143662720
I think they've already said somewhere that skaven are too big to be done as just dlc

>>143662350
It is, but for different reasons as to your statement.

>>143662458
Nagash is really boring compared to literally every lesser undead who are generally all good characters.

>>143662520
>Neferata is also one of the oldest and best known VC characters, arguably Warhammer characters as a whole.
Holy, shit. This is some next level delusion. The best known of all the Warhammer characters it the PRINCE AND EMPEROR.

>>143660970
Artillery is kind of shit until it isn't, it makes me laugh.

>Huge VC army coming at me
>cannons doing jack shit to the skellingtons
>focus them on the Lord
>two or three shots and he's down
>the whole army disintegrates

lel

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Dwarf lords sure love to jump

>play chaos
>around turn 15~ I have a new stack building up in the chaos wastes
>emperor came all the way up to chase the stack around all of the north side of the map
>haven't even attacked any towns other than the norse ones

Great AI, very fun to play against.

>>143662641
That Archaon looks like a bit of a beast, unless it's all magic skills.

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>play as Dawi
>on Hard
>stomping Blood Spearz shits like they are nothing
>have all of the Silver Road
>turn 15
>FIFTEEN
>literally a hour in game
>random Grimgor appears next to my doorstep with two doomstacks and declares war on me
>his allies, who else that motherfucking Top Knotz too
>another three half stacks of mother fucking savage orcs are raiding me
>on Hard
>after FIFTEEN TURNS
WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME THAT THIS GAME IS SO SAVAGE
HARD IS THE NEW NORMAL THEY SAID

>>143662886
there's a lot of excessive jumping in the animations.

>>143662641
>3 giants 2 Hellcannons

No

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Oversized salamander cunt got dunked on by a level 4 Thane.

>>143662932
On the bright side, those are probably all of their armies, beat them and you can roll down through the badlands collecting undefended settlements.

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>>143662952
>mfw those little horsey hops when knights charge.

>>143662641

>Vargulfs against Chaos

Enjoy them fleeing every engagement.

>>143662520
Not a logicial choice for a total war game.
Konrad is far more sensible, as is pretty much any other vampire.

>>143662752

Well cannon projectiles don't stop being projectiles until they stop moving. They bounce along the ground, bounce off things etc. If anyone is in the way of the bounce it knocks them down.

>>143661405
Well the new setting is almost universally considered stupid.

>>143663012
Haha good joke, you'll take 2 or 3 maybe then they'll be back.

I've found the best way to counter the Ork spam is to wait for them to focus on one side and strategically snipe them with one stack while your other goes and takes their cities in the back. Abuse Underway intercepts to get 1v1 stack fights and you can melt an ork horde with minimal losses

>>143663060
>Not a logicial choice for a total war game.
As opposed to a tabletop wargame?

If anything the fact that Total War has a diplomacy function and the tabletop doesn't, makes Neferata a more logical choice for one rather than the other.

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SETTLE THE GRUDGE

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>Handsome

>>143662932
When I played Dwarfs on hard the greenskins were a pest to remove, but the top knotz and the bottom right dwarfen faction fought them so much that they ran out of troops. It probably had something to do with me wiping out three greenskin stacks at once and helping the top knotz along towards fighting the greenskins and not me.

>>143662017

>Skarsnik as Greenskin LL.

Oh for FUCK'S sake.

The Greenskin LL was literally confirmed to be Wurrzag HALF A YEAR AGO

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>>143663008

I miss Shogun 2, where everyone had their own facial animations instead of these vacant dead faces that dwarves make.

So who do I play as if I want to watch single units fuclking up entire armies?

Chaos with archaon?

>>143662793
I would love a War of Eight Peaks campaign pack for the Skaven.

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This giant just literally bitchslapped ,my varghulf

>>143663294
No it didn't.

>>143663424
All factions have lords, so anything.

Should I play Radious, vanilla or just a few mods like less AI agent use, more skill points and camera mods for my next campaign? Thinking of going Greensknis.

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Goblin legendary lord when?
I'm thinking about playing a campaign with only goblins, of course it would need to be on normal difficulty or I would need to stack 2-3 armies against each AI on very hard.
Should I use only goblins or do you guys think trolls and giants should be allowed?

I don't get the purpose of the goblin units, even if they cheap, they are not that cheap that you can have 2 goblin armies with the same price as a normal orc one, and still I doubt 2 spearman goblin units beat any normal infantry.
I think CA should increase the number of warriors on those kind of shitty units like goblins, skeletons, zombies, and such.

>tfw Zufbar take Gunbad before you.

fug dis

>>143663449

>"I am actually, literally retarded"
t. You

https://youtu.be/OZHeF9XN-BM?t=4m10s

>>143663228
Absolute fucking nightmare. I've never encountered firedredrakes, but when I inevitably do - I'll make sure to lob rocks at from across the map until they all die.

>>143663519
literally meatshield for your orcs

So do you guys embed your heroes or not?

I could never really figure out a use for Runesmiths in combat, Thanes seemed nice but not worth a slot, and Engineers don't seem to do all that much damage

>>143663329
But you can clearly see some varying expresions in that screenshot. Ungrim is yelling his lungs out. The dwarf to the left has his mouth hanging open like he can't believe what's going on. The one partying hard is wondering why did he roll a dwarf warrior instead of an elf or something that can dodge better.

Not that dwarfs are known for their lack of stoicism anyway.

>>143660148
What does new lore of magic mean?

Is it like a new type of spellcaster?

>>143660148
oh please let the new unit be blood knights

>>143663627

>I could never really figure out a use for Runesmiths in combat

The 44% ward save rune is one of the most busted abilities in the game.

>>143663627

I do, they're good fighters

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Can anyone tell me if by modding it would be possible to add back in bridge and settlement battles? Land battles are getting boring and the enemy never assaults my cities that have walls. If they do siege they never actually commit and just starve my men out.

Getting real tired of the same god damn hills and trees land battle. If they were going with only land battles they could have at least made the maps more interesting.

I'm sure CA won't add it back so I'll have to rely on modders. So possible? Easy to do? Hard to do? Could be brought back but expect to see it for custom battles only?

>>143662694
Honestly would not be surprised with Konrad. He has a quote in the loading screens, hes melee focused, and him "dying" is irrelevant since all the lords are dead now one way or another.

But lets be real the VC really just need Kenmler to not be such garbage.

>>143663519
I'm allowing anything that's not an Orc for mine.

I've got it on hard and it's not too tough, sort of wishing I'd tried very hard now, normal would probably be a bit easy.

And you'd be surprised, Goblins are fast and with the hero skills and shaman support they can hold out. Archers and cav are where you do damage though.

>>143663715
Yeah, the lack of variety has swung back the other way from Attila.

I'm still fed up of settlement battles from that game for now though.

>>143663832
how are fanatics? are they worth it? how much friendly fire do they cause?

>>143663832
How is this anything to write home about? The only goblin units that are even halfway useful are big bosses and artillery.

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>>143663943

Shogun 3 with new and improved Advisor chan when

Can I fuck up a save by building the wrong stuff at the beginning?

>>143663757
could also be walach harkon, good fit if the blood dragons are the free lc unit

>>143664159
Modeled the way they modeled the bretonnian damsel? no thanks

>>143663672
Yes, that's exactly what it means. Some of the new heroes or the new LL will have access to new spells.

Is the radius mod dogshit in this one? What are we going to do without Darth and shit?

>>143663994
They tend to go straight forward, so you don't need to worry about them swinging back into your line like in the table top. Good for disrupting a charge, but not a unit killer. No reason not to take them really.

>>143664002
Sure, they're inferior to Orc units in every way other than being fast. But we're talking about not using Orcs.

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Can I appoint new lord now?

did you buy it be honest no shame

>>143664189
If you're playing on normal or lower - no. If you're playing on hard - ehh, kinda, but you can get out of a shitting start pretty easily if you learn what to do quickly. Don't play on very hard or Legendary if you're new to TW.

>>143664405
thorgrim the cuckbearer

>>143664405
Break out the orange hair dye, this is fucking disgraceful.

>>143664405

Apparently theres a mod that changes that >>143660493

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Holy shit goblins are terrible.

I tried to find use for them but even as meatshields the rout instantly. The only thing worse than the goblin spears are the goblin bows, every single battle 0-5 casualties with them shooting 24/7.

Think I'll take the orc boyz for extra 30gp upkeep, I have found them not to be ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

>>143664002
>The only goblin units that are even halfway useful are big bosses and artillery.

Goblin wolfrider spears are amazing because of forward deployment and because AI is often too stupid to defend their artillery.

>>143664548
Gobbo bows are decent but just not against anyone armoured

If you're trying to kill savage orcs they're good

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>>143664559
>implying wolfriders can beat artillery crews

>>143664419
Everyone who's playing it has bought it, friendo.

>>143664559
don't forget the part when they lose in melee against skirmishers

>>143663672

There are 8 basic Winds of Magic which are each manifested in a Lore in different measure by the mortal races

Hysh , the white wind of Light, wielded by the Light Order and manifest in the Lore of Light

Chamon, the yellow wind of Metal, wielded by the The Gold Order and manifest in the Lore of Metal

Ghyran, the green wind of Life, wielded by The Jade Order and manifest in the Lore of Life.

Azyr, the blue wind of Heavens, wielded by the Celestial Order and manifest in the Lore of Heavens

Ulgu, the grey wind of Shadows, wielded Grey Order and manifest in the Lore of Shadows

Shyish, the purple wind of Death, wielded by the Amethyst Order and manifest in the Lore of Death

Aqshy, the red wind of Fire, wielded by the Bright Order, and manifest in the Lore of Fire

And Ghur, the Brown wind of Beasts, wielded by the Amber Order and manifest in the Lore of Beasts

Then there are the two ascendant Lores of Magic, High Magic and Dark Magic

High Magic represents the 8 basic Winds, fused together in harmony, it is most commonly and masterfully used by the High Elves and cannot be used by humans as humans do not live long enough to master it.

Dark Magic is the mastery of the primal, chaotic and unfiltered Winds, highly destructive and most commonly used the the Dark Elves

Each of the Chaos Gods has his own lore of magic which they grant to sorcerers of their choosing. Except Khorne, Khorne doesn't have a Lore because he doesn't care for magic at all.

Then there are all sorts of racial lore developed by specific races due to their specific approach to and use of magic. The Greenskin Lores, the Lore of Vampires, the Lore of Wilds and so on, they are obviously only available to those races

Seeing how we have 5 of the basic Lores currently in the game and a lot of the existing races have access to them I would be VERY surprised if the three we are getting weren't the ones we get, those namely being the Lore of Shadows, the Lore of Life and the Lore of Beasts.

>>143664559
If you've got nothing but Night Goblins and Wolves your entire army can forward deploy.

>the nordling niggers spam mounted marauders and wardogs

This is beyond retarded.

>>143664685
i figured, thanks

>>143664749
I fucking loved the celts in attila who could entirely forward deploy

>>143664682
>Implying that they can't
They wreck both dwarf field guns and cannons.
>>143664691
Sure, but you shouldn't be using more than one unit of them anyway and that unit should be dedicated to disrupting artillery. They shouldn't be fighting anyone else in melee.

>>143664875
So do you play on easy or normal?

Why is Chaos so awful to play? Two full stacks of Marauders and the AI is pretty much done. Until you realize there is no way to expand and your allies are retarded.

>>143664682
>>143664691
Generally it's best to use more than one unit of them.

Are Greatswords replacements for Swordsmen?
Or are they shock troops that can't hold their own in prolonged melee?

>>143664670
Against other gobbos they did terrible. And how are they useful against anyone? They get 2 shots in when enemy approaches because their terrible range, and afterwards all they can do is fire at enemy archers, which I will be sweeping away with boars anyway.

How does the multiplayer in this game even work?

>>143662952
I think it's supposed to match, or fit the miniature models themselves, since some models have varying forms of motion to spice things up in appearance.

>>143664941
Hard. And the unit was rank 1, by the way. You can go into custom battle and see for yourself, since you've obviously never used them.

>finally get ride of the last greenskin tribe
>start heading north
>passing by Karaz-a-Karak, I give to my 5 armies Ironbreakers, flamethrowers, fire canons and experenced unit
>confederate with all the dawi

Archaon better brace himself because doomstacks of angry manlets are coming to kick his ass

>>143665057
Sure. ;)

>>143663943
Jesus christ censoring the genitals is a strength compared to showing spread garbage. Fuck.

>>143664986

Basically replacements. They're a million times better than swords in every way.

>>143665129
you some sort of pervert anon?

>medieval 3
>raising an army means calling your vassals to deliver levies
>multiple small armies pop up under the lead of the local lord
>calling the Knights of the realm, as well as bringing a small retinue of professional soldiers
>Commanding your vassals to follow one of your stacks, or to siege or attack towns
>family tree denoting your succession and providing political maneuvers to keep and secure power
>starting as a lesser lord and gaining influence through victories against the crown's enemies
I just want a more realistic feudal simulation with the ability to fight the battles you send your men on campaign for.

>>143664958
>there is no way to expand
>chaos
>expand
the only thing you should be expanding is death and destruction

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>Karl can't even into Reikland
>Helmut takes one of the towns for himself
>Rebels still a thing

Knew I should have voted for Boris

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>tfw empire
>one of my heroes have "likes chaos"

>>143664986
They can kill anything in prolongued melee except hammerers i think.

>>143665385
Maybe it gets better after I raise a proper army.

>>143665526
>Empire gets the best elite infantry in the game
>and the best cavalry in the game
>CA in charge of not being Empire shills

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>he doesn't play dwarfs
>he doesn't have 140 armor 110 melee defense shielded axe infantry with powerful explosive ranged sideweapons

>>143665606
Well Chaos is all about army and combat. Don't expect any sort of state management from them.

>>143662752
yes, select your cannons and press the button on the far bottom-left corner, it's fun

>>143665732
Compensating for something?

>>143660262
Pike's oddly never feature in the empire's army books. It's only as spears. And in the army books know is cheaper and fires further than musket for some raisin

>>143664807
>Play first game as Caledonians in Attila.
>Defend against Picts.
>Battle deployment.
>Their entire army is in a fine line on the limit of my deployment zone.
>Place my units so that I can instantly charge all his weak units and trap the strong ones.

Playing celts vs celts in Attila basically meant every battle was an ambush.

>>143665720
You forgot the best artillery.

>>143665732

>Implying I want to play easy mode manlets

Empire or burst
Nothing like beating hellish abominations with peasants wearing pajamas and a single iron plate

>>143665720

The balance is junk in general. Factions other than the Empire are dominated by useless units.

>>143665720

>best infantry
>best cav

Lol no.

Do mods work in MP campaigns?

>>143665953
CA is that you?

>>143665720
>best elite infantry
I duno
>
Hex wraiths win that one

Is TW:W still worth it if I know nothing about Warhammer?

I stopped at Rome 2 and I heard Attila is much better, but I don'treally like its setting.

>>143665953
Reminder that greatswords break ironbreakers 1vs1

>>143665720
dwarfs and chaos shit all over empire infantry mate

>>143665732
Don't forget:
>Artillery with missile range of 13 billion
>Artillery with 13 billion barrels
>Naked mohawk manlet units that ignore all leadership rules in the game
>Crossbow manlets with great axes shoved up their assholes
>Bullshit helicopters of faggotry that will fuck your infantry up the moment your rangers turn away

>>143665953

>Lol no.

Laugh all you want, he's right. Demigryph Kngihts are not only the best cav in the game, they're also flat-out the best unit in the game. Greatswords are also incredibly powerful for their cost and even beat other infantry worth almost double their cost in 1v1 engagements.

>>143666064
I just like fantasy in general and I'm loving the game so far
though I did get it for 40 dollars on cdkeys

>>143665720

>best infantry

The greatsword is the only great unit for the empire

>Swordsmen
Very average unit, it will be one you will be using the most
>Spearmen
Good only for homeland security stacks
>Shielded Spearmen
Same as swordsmen
>Halberdiers
Your bread and butter, can beat average troops but lose to more specialized units


And its not like you will be running around with greatsword stacks if you want to field more than a couple stacks in the late game

This agent spam is fucking retarded, whoever decided it was a good idea to make them immune to counteractions once they're high level needs to be fucking shot. Most retarded gameplay "mechanic" in existance.

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>>143666017
>hexwraiths

>>143666064
depends on what you didn't like about rome 2

>>143666130
Have you actually played the game or are you just going off the faction descriptions from the website?

Is there a mod that takes away the bullshit "no save" and "no minimap" feature in legendary difficulty? That's got to be the most bullshit feature I've seen in a long ass time

>>143666224
>>Halberdiers
>>Your bread and butter
lol so these are the average retards who think empire isn't overpowered

>>143666171
>>143665732
Only faction I wanted to play when I saw that dev video months ago. Huge armor to hold the line and artillery to bombard the packed in fuckers? Count me in.

Mod to play as minor factions when ??

And what happened to the supposed ending of the game being in a bubble world, I got no ending cinematic. Or any at all post Lord of change.

>>143666319

nice arguments

>>143666409

Advisor-kun was supposed to turn into the Lord of Change. He didn't. We got rused.

>>143666273
I like the province system, it's just that I got bored very easily even if I bought the complete edition on sale.
I'm a Shogun 2fag, tho.

>>143666224
Late game you can run around with steam tank stacks if you want.

And halberdiers aren't your "bread and butter" that's swordsmen and eventually greatswords.
Halberdiers are anti-cavalry/monstrous units, something i really wish dwarves had more than fucking slayers to use.

>>143666505
nice retardation

>>143666224
Except they also have access to demigryphs, high quality ranged infantry and arguably the best artillery in the game. Chaos has lesser infantry, lesser cavalry, no ranged infantry and terrible artillery.

Empire infantry isn't supposed to be that good, they trade off high quality units for the ability to be decent in every catagory, not be great at everything all the time.

>>143666514
What? I don't think the guy in the trailer is your adviser, anon.

>CA can't balance when all the factions are almost 100% identical
>Expecting any balance when there are five completely different factions

>>143666505

It is actually

Saying "Empire doesn't have the best infantry because you could just use the shit units" isn't even an argument at all because it doesn't make sense.

Greatswords are the best infantry unit in the game for their cost by a wide fucking margin, you should never use anything else so the rest of the roster doesn't even factor into it.

>>143666514
Who is the advisor supposed to be anyway? Jus some pointless OC that seems more important than he is, or is he supposed to actually be someone in the story?

I'm not very familiar with WHFB lore.

Anyone else think it shouldn't tell you the outcome of a random event choice until you actually select it? Like where's the fun in knowing up front what consequence your actions will have?

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How do I use the Black Coach effectively?

>>143666286
the whole point of legendary is that you can't save and fight battles without handholding

>>143666224

>Your bread and butter, can beat average troops but lose to more specialized units

Actually, the opposite is true. Halberds are junk against infantry but have a vague use against monsters and other large units. Not that you would bother with them anyway, because Demigryphs wipe the floor with monsters and spears do pretty well against them too given how cheap they are.

>>143666642

Tell me how you run around with greatswords since turn 10 then

I am obviously missing something

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>>143666286

Yes and its called Lower the difficulty or git gud mod

>>143665953
Best Infantry is a matter of pricing and is debatable.
Best cav easily though.

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Time for revenge

>faction that gets the most heat in the entire fucking campaign by getting attacked by pretty much everyone

>hurr they are too OP, NERF THEM


Yeah no, fuck off,

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Is it me or are the warscape games a lot harder than previous titles? I played the hell out of R1 and M2 and got them down to a science, no challenge even on highest difficulties vs cheating AI. Then tried S2 and found it a lot more challenging. I think it was the lack of individual control of each settlement, the overall taxation instead of picking the levels for each, garrisons being not as effective at controlling, etc.

Am I way off here?

>>143666064
It's a solid TW title and it should be getting more support over time than any other title.

Though probably more DLC over time as well too.
Guaranteed races to be completely different at least.

>>143666798

>Best Infantry is a matter of pricing and is debatable.

Even considering pure cost-effectiveness, Empire wins out with greatswords and spears. If you want to talk about a faction plagued by cost-INeffectiveness, let's talk about Chaos.

>>143666839
Now that is a spoopy army.

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Mannfred the bitch boy wants to be a puppet state.

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So should I go ahead and buy Warhammer or not.

My heart says no, but my curiosity is too great.

>>143664986
I don't understand why anyone would use expensive, elite units as their anvil when the most important factor is the hammer.

>>143666852

I play and enjoy multiplayer so I care about Empire being broken as fuck.

It's par for the course though. CA have always been abysmal at balancing their games.

>>143666910
That's what I'm saying. I'm agreeing that Empire have the best infantry if we take pricing into consideration.

>>143666989
Depends on all the variables pertinent to you.

Rome had the best infantry in rome 2 and also the best non-archer cavalry

Did you faggots complain?
No

Then why bitch about empire?

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Literally hitler

>>143666989
Don't buy it.
Ever.
Just sit in this thread and watch others post their games

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>get an achievement simply for playing the VC campaign without being a retard
>instantly the rarest achievement I own

Achievements are dumb.

>>143667086

>apron made of peoples faces and skin

This guy needs to chill.

Why do CA insist on making their games an artificial difficulty? The ai can perform as good as a full move after sacking unlike the player so you can never catch them. Attrition barely registers for the ai and the rebellions frequently spawn steam tanks and high tier units. What the fuck is the justification for a rebel force having elite units?

On top of that CA made the idiot choice to have monstrous creatures take up 3 quarters of auto-resolve casualties in health loss. Fuck its just so frustrating when you are forced to play on very hard for any remote kind of challenge but its just public order penalties and such.

>>143666989
NO! Just play the med2 WH mod its more complete then this garbage with only 5 factions shit

>>143667010
Depends on what tech you have and how much money and other variables. Having elites in the anvil allows you to bend it over into a hammer sometimes. And while I'd generally agree with you, you can't have too shit of an anvil up against some enemies.

Also if you're against an absolute fuckton of units then you need the hammer to handle the attrition.

>>143667173
Mine's all full of CK2 and EU4 cheevos that are essentially just "play zoroastrians and dont suck".

>>143667179
>On top of that CA made the idiot choice to have monstrous creatures take up 3 quarters of auto-resolve casualties in health loss

Its the biggest target in the field
It makes sense that it would take the most hits

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>>143667176

He's got his posse with him

>>143666514
Finish Chaos campaign bud

>>143666989
If you dislike fantasy, don't get it.

If you like Total War and don't dislike fantasy, get it.

If you're still not sure, just wait for a sale. It's not going to be pirateable anyway, and by the time it goes on sale there will be some DLC for it as well so you can grab the whole package in one go.

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>>143666880

>>143662323

This happens way too often.

>play as orcs or dorfs
>"finally the south is mine, time to raid the north!"
>chaos has destroyed everything

Shit ain't fair.

>>143666989
don't be a /his/fag, buy it

>>143667179
The mobility of enemy stacks is the only problem I have with the AI handicaps.

>>143667361
>fantasy
In name and units only. It's still barebones as shit what with all the fantasy elements being broken and terribly implemented. Hammer and anvil your way across different skeletons. Yay.

I didn't get my chaos invasion until turn 98, but then again Archaon had already carved a path all the way to bretonnia before the second invasion. Is this normal?

The new Vampire unit isn't Blood Knights.

It's the Mortis Engine.

Source: some data miner on TWC who found beastmen, wood elf, saurus/skink and KANGZ necrosphinxes in the files.

>>143667321
Why the fuck can't Kemmler get a horse like regular necromancers, anyway? It's so annoying dragging his slow ass across the field when he needs to heal someone on the other side.

>>143661074
dont use zombie for auto resolve it bring down your chances of winning, use skeletons only

get your agents out ASAP


expand towards empire,Wall up the 2 red box on the map,

Chaos will only attack ostermark provincial capital,so spam Defense buildings.

Once you start dealing with chaos,you can start trading with everyone

only problem is greenskins and dwarfs,you kind of have to maintain a balance of power between them.

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So are the Blood Knights/Dragons chivalrous or not?

>>143667361
It'll be piratable eventually. Denuvo doesn't last forever.

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>its a "The enemy stack flees deep into your territory so you gotta dedicate an entire fucking stack to pursue it and leave the front open to the enemy to attack" episode

Im not sure if its the AI being smart or CA fucked up

>>143666969
As a kraut, how wacky and zany are the names of the cities/people in TW:WH?

>>143667564

What does the engine do? I really miss having a good ranged option.

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I'm trying to understand how to use my bonus to defense as a Dwarf.

When an enemy army charges, I normally wait for them to get close then have our ranks clash.

Should I instead be waiting for them to charge -into- my units, and then right click them to use this bonus?

pls i want to git gud

>>143667557
>In name and units only.
That's more than enough to turn some people off.

Think of the butthurt people get over a single non-historical or anachronistic unit, or even a slightly misnamed unit in regular TW games. They'll literally shit themselves when they try to play Warhammer.

>>143667575
No, they basically don't care about anything but good fights. They're like orcs but shorter.

>>143667315
Not really, if your army outnumbers their's significantly you wouldn't expect any unit to take much damage. Its meant to be spread across your force and actually varghulfs are very survivable. I've had Mannfreds for 70 turns without a problem.

>>143667557
You can say that about any TW title except three. And for those you can just say build cannons.

>>143667575
Their progenitor and their ideal certainly is. Interpretations fall short unfortunately.

>>143664190
True. If the release was simultaneous it would be pretty good

Although against this would be the ingame event where blood dragons refuse to serve due to honor.

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>>143667571
opps forgot the map

Just started playing Empire and getting my shit fucked up on legendary. What's good early game army build? Got Franz as leader and then 9 spearmen (shields) and 11 crossbows.

>>143666393
except dwarves dont know how to aim their artillery and they would hit just as much your meatwall as the green blob
youd think the technological midget race would know how to aim catapults properly

What do you guys think of these new units?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYCKSibapBc

>>143667650

Lifesteals from enemies and empowers/heals undead

>>143666681
fuck it then VH is where i go

>>143666514
>>143666657
>literally being too fucking dumb to understand a story of a fucking Total War game
Advisor is just some random old totally not cultist who urges you start a war because right now is the perfect time for it (all according to Tzeentch's plan, because everyone being in TOTAL WAR makes it easier for him). That's literally it. It however doesn't make sense in Empire campaing because he essentially urges you to unite.

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>>143667847

>Dismounted reiksguard

ok...

>Dismounted Reiksguard (Greatsword) and halberdiers

>>143667909
Him being a cultist doesn't make sense for any campaign because he also tells you to go fuck up Chaos.

>>143667575
In mortal life, they were
As undead, no

I fucking hate slayer holy shit they just FUCKING DIE NO MATTER HOW YOU USE THEM

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>>143667847

>>143667909
>>143668049
It's Tzeentch, could be plotting against Archaon or just fucking around at random.

This is my dwarf campaign soundtrack, really gets me in the zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCgluVD0Aw

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>>143667571
>>143667741
ty

>>143668049
but you also have to fuck up The Lord of Change as Chaos. The Chaos Gods are always trying to fuck with each other.

How do you get nordland in a defensive alliance for reikland runeblade?
Those fuckers hate me.
If I conquer them, will I complete the quest?

>>143668121
That's what they want.

>>143666989
I'm a little fag with little self-control. I bought it.

Go on GMG and use 20OFF to get it for 47$ if anyone else is feeling the pressure but not willing to pay the full 60.

>>143667826
I was going to ask about that. I never played the warscape games, didn't they change that? I remember archers killing my own men if they fired from behind in Medieval 2 but did that also apply in Shogun 2? All videos I saw were people just firing into the blobs where their men were lined up. Thought friendly fire was off with archers.

>>143667648
Very.

>>143668257

Yes. Conquer them and the mission changes to "send a hero"

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GOTREK & FELIX DLC WHEN

>>143660262


Cuz they fucking rape shit.

They're accurate as hell and their armor piercing makes them effective against heroes and monsters.

>>143668310
They're projectiles that will hit whatever they hit so yeah, it's certainly still in.

>>143666657
It's Tzeentch, or atleast a disciple of his.

>>143668281
Yeah but it's not what i want. And i'm the one paying for them.

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remove greenskins

REMOVE GREENSKINS

What human factions are you hoping to see?

Border princes could be very fun, gives a threat to the greenskin domination. Perhaps allow them to take land from the orcs too, so that its not just orcs vs dwarfs in the south.

Kislev are looking likely to be in, how could they play though being so close to the empire?

>>143667648
They sound German, but they sound off. A lot of names should have ä, ü or ö instead of a, u and o.
Another thing is, that "ch" has been replaced by "k", which shows that an American came up with the names because anglos struggle to pronounce "Reich"- this is why it's "Reikland" I think. In the German version those things are changed.

Should I prioritise leadership or combat skills on archaeon?

>>143668281
If they were significantly cheaper and had expendable, I'd feel much better about it

>>143668461
Well maybe you shouldn't hire an emo kid to clean your knife collection.

>>143668281
They should have some armor though, just by virtue of being a dorf if nothing else.

>>143668310
Archers no longer fire unless their projectiles can arc over friendly units. They get 'obstructed'.

>>143668565
I thought they were replaced with K just so that the names were different while still sounding German, a lot of stuff seems to be intentionally misspelled like that, like Praag.

>>143668561
Kislev are both the most distinct in roster and the least sensible to include based on their position on the map.

>>143668561

Tilea, Estalia, Border Princes and Kislev.

Not sure how they would play out though. I'm guessing the map would be resized a bit to make them playable, with more content in the provinces.

Also, any news if CA are going to release proper tools allowing modders to import and export models?

>>143668704

Sounds like a great idea for Radious

>>143668716
That apply to all warscape games?

>>143668813

ARMORED SLAYERS (Missile cavalry)

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>Razed every Chaos settlement last night
>Wiped out Empire today
>Swiftly wiping out Bretonnia and thereafter the dwarves between Bretonnia and my lands
>Then proceed south and march against the Orcs to raise all of their settlements
>Right before I raze the final one or two orcish settlements, backstab the dwarves I've been allied with the entire game

Pistoliers were pretty bad when I tried them, how about Outriders?

Or should I forget missile cav in general and just spam Greatswords, Crossbows, Reiksguard and artillery (I only have mortars now but I will soon unlock the others)

>>143668825
no
your guys will just kill your meatwall without shame

>>143668932

How did you deal with the attrition?

>>143667173
My achievment showcase is 5/6 TWW after winning a chaos campaign on VH. I actually hope more people get them so this stops being the case.