/rlg/ - Roguelike General

how important is corrosion resist after depths?
gotta switch mine out for some other shit to cover cold/fire

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Aww, it thinks it's FDA!

>>140387774
Not that important besides a few enemies and slime pits.
Watch out for those Caustic Shrikes.

>>140387950
>tortoise
>not poderous
Into le trash

>>140387950
Ring mail is the most optimal armor there is.
Good choice my friend.

>>140387950
what kind of mod is this

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>>140388506
It's actually very satisfying how quickly my defenses are developing. I'm wondering if I could take that troll

Most likely if I had a decent weapon (the whip is the strongest I've found yet) I'd tab right into it

>>140389132
You could take it if you Hero'd. You really do need a better weapon though.

Am I allowed to talk about ToME here?
How's the latest DLC?

>>140389320
ToME is a roguelike as far as I know.

Not as unforgiving at least on Normal but still.

>>140389320
Imbalanced, but fun according to /rlg/. Skeleton Gunslingers are even better than Skeleton Archers, those sawblade dudes are fun, and Minotaurs can get 100+ damage reduction on everything.

>>140389320
Standard fare.
If you like ToME4, you will like the DLC.
If you have taste then you won't like either.

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>hey wait my is my health going down that's weird
>well I'll just put on this armor again, it's probably nothing

oh boy this was a silly one

>>140384450
>I do nothing but play roguelikes!

>>140390098
>19:37
hello there, fellow European.
>>140388939
bump

sounds, feels, tastes, looks, and feels like modded NetHack.

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Well, shit.

>>140390423
Untrue.
Sometimes I play with myself.

>>140391317
numpadfags will never understand the true feeling o masturbating with your right hand and going around the dungeon with hjklun.

>>140391093
Time to get the fuck out.
TO works well though.

>>140391461
No Teleport Others so far.

>>140391093
Hope you brought your -TeleOther,

>>140391505
Then it's time to go or get manabolts and retaliation blasted into your tender anus.

tried doing zot without corr resist
had my enchants down to like -40
never again

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I'm growing to despise yaks due to this playthrough

I'll shaft and wear my chain mail from now on, so much for balanced defenses

>>140391984
Also, apparently flails are almost as strong as morningstars, it's maces and clubs that are shit

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>>140391984

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How should I go about determining whether I'm having real and optimal fun or artificial fun?

>>140391602
>Recall out. Do some shopping, recall back into D:28
>Sir Gawain
>Summons Lancelot

Well, I guess Crystal Draconian monks can only get so far. The XP-penalty felt bigger than it probably was.

>>140392681
real fun isn't optimal
how can artificial fun be real if mirrors aren't real

>>140392681
Did you die? If you didnt then it's not fun

>>140392736
No sense in doing Camelot without TO.
Just farm dragons in the mountains and 555 instead.
What was the idea behind Crystal Draconian Monks again?
I remember trying one once but didn't get that far either.

>>140392736
>>140391505
>doing Camelot without -TO
Sure smells like fault in here.
There are other dungeons, you know?

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I see

Could I wear my rF++ ring mail and tank the explosion if I read immolation?

>>140393114
Stairdance you baka.

>>140393114
bad idea. blink frogs are easy to stair dance because they wont surround you since they're blinking around.

>>140393349
>implying he's not gonna get petrified and have his tender anthole raped

>>140393349
>>140393512
I'm mostly concerned about the wolf pack

>>140393619
I'm mostly concerned about you worrying about nothing.

>>140393619
with your defenses wolves wont do much. I'm skeptical about that great mace tho. a decent flail (maybe in Orc:1) should do more dps at low skill

New character in CDDA. Started in a LMOE. Swamp to the immediate south, 2 minefields to the immediate west. My co-survivor spawned with a simple flamethrower, and promptly started a raging forest fire. To add insult to injury, I chose a profession that doesn't start with a means to create fire. When I asked for some gear to try to complete her bullshit quest, what does she give me? A lighter, like 90% of my other starts? No. My firebug friend gave me a plastic bottle instead. So I'm either going to have to brave the nearby suburb or grind survivor up to 2 real quick and make a fire drill.
On a related note, can fire spread past a pit?

>>140396312
>On a related note, can fire spread past a pit?
Shallow pit yes, deep no (except to other pit).

>>140392681
>How should I go about determining whether I'm having real and optimal fun or artificial fun?

Are you throwing away all of the tools the game gives you in favor of fluttering uselessly with your bandages?

If so, optimal fun.

>>140397292
Well I know it's optimal then but is it real?

>>140392681
If you hate it, whine at it and say it's shit but keep coming back, it's real fun.
If you say it's cool and then go play something else, it's artificial fun.

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>>140397534
Masturbation is real fun.

What music do you guys listen to when playing?

>>140398742
Simon and Garfunkle.

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Jesus fucking christ that armor.
Wish it had more of an enchantment though.

>>140398857
eh. not as good as a manually enchanted GDA

>>140399101
That Stlth+ is pretty fucking great since I have Boots of the Assassin.
Also MR+ so I don't have to get the Elven rune.

>>140399859
Well he's forgotten you.

>>140396765
Thanks. Better get to digging so my bunker isn't engulfed in flames.

>>140398742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txW9czlZmlo

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first win
3 runes

that fucking turncount jesus

>>140402705
Congratulations mate.

>>140402705
nice going anon!

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>>140392130

>>140399859
that qt is being misused

New dynahack convict drinking game
drink every time you splat
die in the next five minutes

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Some jackass thought it would be hilarious to cast me to abyss so here I am stuck with these guys.
1) Can I get tso to bless my demon whip or do I need altar for that in 0.17.1?
2) Can I rest in abyss?
3) Am I fucked?

>>140404418
ID your wands and pots, quaff the benmut, use that wand of hasting and recharge it when necessary and you should be fine.
If the bless weapon thing isn't in your (a)bilities then I think you need the altar for it.

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I'm done with elephants

>>140404418
why in the christ do you have a wh-
>minotaur
carry on. You will learn from this splat and if you don't, more power to you.

>>140402705
gratz!
>that stone ammo

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>have found literally 0 scrolls of disappointment previous run
>find 2 on L:7 and now an extra one on L:8
I mean, that +9 chop rF Int+5 SInv executioner's axe from 2nd scroll is amazing for my axe-happy orc and I'll try my luck with wands on 3rd one, but I kinda wish RNGesus was more moderate in giving these pearls out.

>>140383946
>no cum in the OP

>>140406737
what is it with you and cum you degenerate

>>140406979
>>>/pol/

>>140406717
wish scrolls of lesser aquirement existed that were a bit more common compared to aquirement
I love using these things

>>140392681
if it's a bad game like cdda tome4 or dredmor it's badfun

if it's a good game like ia, sil, pcb, or a *hack it's goodfun

crawl is in the middle
berserkers don't count, they're bad and wrong
mumo counts
permabat of makhleb counts
that atheist anon from earlier counts

>>140407394
telling a bunch a people you like cum isn't as sociably acceptable as you think

>>140407394
>not liking cum
what a fag

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Wow, I've had tougher characters beat to a pulp by Roka

Such is the power of a wand of draining

>>140407615
Why is badfun more fun than goodfun?

>>140408512
because you are a bad person with wrong opinions

you probably don't even like cum

>>140408785
I don't know if I like cum, I haven't tried it.

But I have tried all of the games on your list and all of the badfun ones were more fun than all of the goodfun ones.

Is there a way I can easily share NetHack saves between computers that preferably isn't online? I want to get into it or a variant but I'm always on different machines

>>140398742
Here, this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjpR9-XhPvM

>thread taking the obvious b8

>>140409130
I use a USB stick to synch my save-files between my work laptop and home desktop. Doubles as a backup if I get a corrupted file or I manage to brick a computer, somehow. If you have internet Dropbox could be a quality solution, too.

>>140409845
I tried that with DynaHack but the saves are exclusive to each PC

>>140398742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6vpC1yD28

>>140410176
Oooh, if they've done some weird save muckery I can't help, sorry, I hardly ever play any Hack at all so I wouldn't know.

>>140411514
>formicid
>not killholing
>continuing to sit around and tab popcorn while at half health instead of backing up to rest
bad

Is any EV better than close to none? Would it be worth going from 10 EV to 4 EV for example if it was only for a couple of AC?

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Well apparently some roguelike folks I know are working on pic related. Not sure how serious or troll a project it is, but I'm imagining great things.

>>140412142
more EV is better than less EV, anon

is that what you're asking?

>>140412081
Anon that's Orc:4

There just plain isn't any room to killhole. After I made that screenshot I made one in the wall to the right, but most the walls literally can't be dug upon

>>140412427
yes, but does it matter much later on?
will 10 EV be any different than 5 EV or will nigs still hit me just as much?

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>had to skip 2 floors in a row due to unseen horrors i addition to wasting all my potions of healing and might

>>140412142
It's a chance to avoid a hit completely vs reducing the damage you take

You want EV to prevent getting beat up by something like a ettin, you want AC for things like hydras or killer bees

>>140412142
Any EV is always useful, there are some foos with terrible accuracy and you're always under a lot of attacks. Layered defenses is where it is at, 20AC 20EV is better than 40AC/EV. If you aren't getting a lot of value for going to really low numbers I wouldn't.

IT DEPENDS

>amulet of reflection can make boulder beetle roll away
time for bowling, cousin

>>140412286
I hope it's going to be the biggest clusterfuck of loot and content this world has ever seen.
It'd be fucking glorious.

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I've ascended a melee dude now it's time for a caster dude anons. I've tried many types of casters and they always splat to some ranged fuckery or random unique abilities that disable escapes.

Trying SpAE. Spriggans aptitude for stealth and speed to make initiating fights much easier even vs ranged opponents. Air Elementalist since it's the least shitty aptitude for destructive magics then go into transmutations for lich form, maybe translocations for some blink/dispersal.

Do I care about raising dex at all? What about dodge, ev, sh? I usually get to mid-game and splat right as my I'm getting higher level magic up, but before I can invest much into defenses.

What's the crawl version that people recommend? Since apparently the recent versions have gone to shit

>>140415743
Trunk, ignore the memers

>>140415320
Usually you get enough dex as an Sp that you can just dump it into int if you feel like going full spellsman.
You should definitely invest in dodge and, later, fighting.

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>>140412286
>fcrawlposchengband
oh
my
god

>>140415743
Crawl versions aren't better or worse than each other, their complete lack of a proper design philosophy means that each version may as well be a different fork of the original game

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I figured it'd be easy to clear the last level of Lair before going to spider with my new mace. I was wrong

Any ideas on how to proceed?

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Oh baby

>>140415743
Trunk or latest stable release, depending on your tastes and inclinations.

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>>140412286
what

holy shit

>>140417167
>mace
>*Contam
>D:9
>spellcasting class
You probably want short blades or staves on a caster

>>140417498
Ill switch to a staff later, this is more than enough to tab things to death even without investment.

>>140416803
Zap it with the tele.

>>140416803
Haste yourself, wand of digging straight down.

IDK how the math will work out but pray that haste allows your dig to happen before the yaks 2nd turn. Therefore you effectively haste and dig in "1 turn," and move away since you're much faster than it is thanks to haste.

Godspeed anon.

>>140418203
Also then start digging away from it.

>>140418235
He's a formicid.

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>>140418235
>>140418396
I have 15% chance to beat its MR and formicids can't be hasted

I'll quaff agi and might and see if that's enough to beat them

>>140418819
Alternatively start digging away until you heal a bit, quaff might and agi and stick that mace in its virginal death yak-pussy.
Dig takes 0 turns to initiate.

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>>140419350
Agi and might worked but the character's now at Int 0 thanks to some fucked up vault with a bunch of brain worms

>>140419997
Okay, no longer brainless. 2 death yaks appeared which should give a fair amount of xp to recover

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>got a good game going
>save, go do other shit
>return
>splat within 5 minutes

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>Conf
But muh stasis

I kind of had shitty luck in that I didn't find a single source of rPois yet. Seeing how horrendously I'm getting BTFO I may go back to Orc and check all the magical armor that was dropped

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I guess it's stairdance time.

>>140421645
>playing a Formicid
Good taste. Qazlal is more fun for Formicids though.

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So there's this thing called Numenfall which has been in development for ~5 years and aspires to be something like ADoM.

I don't see it, really, I'm getting flashbacks of ToME instead.

>>140423607
That doesn't even look similar to the TOME4 engine, I'm pretty sure that IS the TOME4 engine. Heck, I know for sure that the slot 3-5 skill icons are literally from TOME.

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Ahahaha!
Eat shit, stoner.

>>140423607
>Numenfall which has been in development for ~5 years and aspires to be something like ADoM.
Oh yeah I played it some months ago when i had nothing to lose.
It's actually just a cheap tome ripoff, sadly.

This morning I woke up to find a fellow survivor hanging out in the gun room of my FMOE. I had learned my lesson after the last time that happened and locked all the guns and ammo in a crate. She was still armed with a tec 9. She asked me to go and kill her mom zombie. I agreed, stepped back, and then headshotted her with my .44. Other survivors are assholes.
Then I spent the rest of the day chopping wood. The only other creature I saw the rest of the day was a racoon. That flitted around at the edge of my LOS. Now I'm going to read about computers until I'm sleepy, and then go raid an office building in the morning.
This game is so damn comfy when I'm not surrounded by zombies.

>>140425070
I like how easy this is to read as an actual zombie survivor's diary.

>>140425070
>I agreed, stepped back, and then headshotted her with my .44.
.50 aspirin is the best way to deal with survivor migraines.

>>140425070
I'm loving these little logs, keep em' up 's long as you enjoy writing them.

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>>140424673
ToME ripoff it may be, but I'm actually finding it fun.
Setting up forcebolt turrets with Harmony shards and minefields with Discord shards is engaging.

300 orcs later and still no sign of them stopping.

2wagh4me

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I hate how much of a slog Crawl becomes near normal endgame

It turns into a mindless repetition of the same things you'd done the entire game prior. Getting runes is just playing the resistance roulette and then proceeding to do the same. Enemies have 3 settings: Swarming trash, free XP popcorn and bullshit

All interesting gameplay seems to happen at either early game or post-end.

This is worsened because Crawl is designed as a relatively "clean" game where you can't have cheesy fun a la Nethack, while being long enough that its streamlined gameplay seems to lose all charm after a while, whereas other rogueikes on the same vein try to be "short but sweet".

I'll go splat this character in Depths, honestly I can't be fucked to do branches at this point

>>140426579
You ain't the first to realize this, nor will you be the last. Just means you've grown up. Soldier on and find another game, mate.

>>140426579
Crawl's mechanics would probably work better in an open world game. It's crazy though how repetitive it manages to be, even with all of these custom vaults and randomly-generated uniques.

>>140426579
I have never done an extended game of crawl because by the time I get to Zot my thought process has become "oh christ I just want to get this shit over with already."
I always end up doing 3 runes.

>>140427778
>getting all the way to Zot before that becomes your thought process

You're so lucky.

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Finally

>>140429032
>he wasted 3 1/2 hours on this
crawl virgin here, feels good

If i use a scroll of acquirement as an ogre would it give me a usable armour?

>>140429032
>next to jory at 2hp

should have teleported away

>>140429685
yes

>>140425875
No more stories from Bootsy, I'm afraid. All it takes is one shocker brute and an ill-advised molotov toss to ruin a nice morning.

>>140429685
acquirement is always guaranteed to give you something that's technically usable

but you might get a buckler that's incompatible with your GSC, or a +0 animal skin

>>140429883
yay. got a shield. ;_;. guess i'll use whips now.

>>140429883
Aye, but you can fill slots to fix the odds, can't you? Fill your shield slot, wear a robe, wield any kind of weapon, and you might just get a fancy hat.

>>140430328
gsc or bust
unless the shield is god-tier

>>140430414
it's based on what you have seen, not what's equipped

so if there have been 0 hats so far in the game you might get a +0 hat, if there are zero shields you can get a +0 shield, etc

>>140430556
It is a +2 large shield of protection

>>140430701

if it ain't Gong, it ain't worth losing GSC

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>>140429032
Yay Formicids!

I guess I had fun, I'm not sure.

>>140430895
yeah whatever, some Wights killed me. Still fun, in another run i got Okawaru and dealt min delay with GSC until i died.

>>140430882
The items are randomly generated. This is to make you continue playing the game by giving you the same feeling you would have gambling, even though the gameplay itself is akin to a middle school math test.

>>140391437
>he doesnt use his left hand

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>CDDA
>Zooming around
>At a new town, driving around the edges at 50 mph pasting corrosives and scoping for masters and shit cause it's like year 5 or something
>See one
>Engage a V12 engine to help my V8
>Cole train through a wreckage and an electrical SUV to paste him
>Start backing out
>Brute I missed is helping some zeds hold my rv down
>Engage a second V12
>Rev right on out of there
>Get out, strip down to my fighting gear and go in to mop up the brute and butcher the high ranking corpses I hit
>Get slammed into a car by the brute, 40 pain but whatever
>Take a poppy painkiller
>At some point I had my filter mask off and presumably fighting something instead of putting it back on so I got poisoned
>Apparently, you can have both poisoned and badly poisoned at the same time for a massive hit to your stats cause... ?
>Bunch of regulars are swarming the car I'm in and don't have time to get out
>Swarm keeps swarming holding me to 25 speed with grabs as I methodically kill them one by one while my armor generally lets me ignore them
>Like 5 feral predators show up one by one
>Just keep killing, using bandages and taking tramadols while they hit on me
>Apparently a necromancer showed up
>Eventually get brute slammed out of the car and the grabs so maybe I can make a break for it
>Yeah no, pain killers did fucking nothing so I'm up at like 90 something pain cause fucking predator jump impales
>Have a 1911 and beretta M9 in holsters but they're fucking useless cause everything in the game causes massive stacking penalties to stats and speed
>Realize at some point my sling pack got shredded and the teleporter I kept for this is already gone
>Hulks show up to throw me around
>Getting pinballed all over by brutes and hulks for like a half hour while feral predators keep impaling me cause armor 2gud
>Previously killed 25 brutes and 7 hulks with my fucking hands and I was using a katana in this fight.
>Die cause the stat and pain system in this game is fucking retarded

>>140435004
Told you bout them caltrops bro. I told you bout them caltrops!

>>140435265
I had a stow board of them and some blade traps. I was more annoyed that something that's been a nonissue can do that shit. I can cheese cities with ram spam and caltrop carpets and never ever die but it's tedious and boring as fuck. It's practically a job.

>>140435004
>get careless
>forget that hp isn't everything
>die
>oh my god you didn't just *ugh*

>>140435584
Is it more tedious and boring than grinding your skills to 8 to craft all the cool shit?

Speaking of CDDA, did they ever change breaking out of the lab start?

>>140435849
>Kill 25 brutes
>Spent most of the last year getting pinballed around the previous town I cleared with no problem
>Blown the fuck out in one smash not because it was a threat but because fucking everything drops your stats and speed which causes a cascade of more shit that drops your stats and speed to useless.

>>140435976
Yes. Cause I'm punching myself in the dick all day every day I play instead of when it finally catches up.

>>140436171
Supposedly they made it more durable. I think you can still get out fairly reliably somehow though.

>>140436171
"Ever"? Since last stable?

>>140436334
You sound like suicidal crawler. You can't just tab infinitely anymore. You actually have to pay attention and atleast pick off the gas, smoke and acid dudes.

>>140436341
I have no idea, last I played you could matchstick-bomb your way out, which essentially made it an easy escape.

>>140436714
You can't matchstickbomb, burn or smash your way out now.

>>140436594
-5 str and whatever dex from one bloat or you lose all your stamina and you're moving at 50% speed
Every adjacent zombie is -25 speed and reduces block and dodge by obscured amounts
Pain ridiculously penalizes stats now
Endless perception and dex nerfs to firearms and just firearm nerfs in general so they're useless outside of ideal conditions you don't need them for

It's just so damn tedious and frustrating for a trivial encounter you cleared a thousand times before to splat. It'd be like if everything in crawl had a 1% chance to decapitate you.

>>140436813
Ooh, well that changes a lot.

>>140437395
More like you forgot to wear your MR ring and got paralyzed, but I feel you.

>>140437618
Not really, since you can often find a teleporter sitting around for a free exit.

And if you don't play on babby mode single pool, all your lab start points have to go into skills, so crafting an electrohack/electric jackhammer/dynamite/whatever mostly comes down to book luck.

>>140437948
You don't need book luck if you get enough electronics + mechanics to unlock electric jackhammer at start, though you still need to get the components.

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>tfw just bought dark souls 3 and want to play it.
>tfw just bought the banner saga and want to play it.
>tfw just found out about DCSS and really want to play that now.
>tfw not playing any of these games because of all this indecision
REEEEEEE

>>140438312
Play dark souls 3. Don't be a straight sword shitter. Take a break and play DCSS when you get mad about a boss. 2EZ You're also a shitter if you have a phantom with you at all times. Save that shit for your second playthrough.

>>140437931
Yeah actually that's a pretty close example but with more breadwielding

>>140438312
Just put 1d3 in an rng. Jesus kid.

How do you view what fault an engine has/repair the fault in CDDA? I'm desperate to fix this luxury RV but can't figure out what button I need to hit.

>>140403626
post results

>>140438449
not trying to derail the thread with dark souls 3 talk but im terrible at dark souls and a knight/straight sword build is my only option.

as far as DCSS goes about how long did it take you guys to get the hang of it? should i be spending an entire 4 or 5 hours a night just learning the basics or is it an hour and a half thing?

>>140409130
sure you are

>>140438869
Get gud. Straightswords are easy modo. But really, if that is what you like to use, enjoy it. It really does take a lot of the sting away from enemies though. If I remember right, I started playing at .11 or .12 My first win was after the .13 tourney with a SpEn, quickly followed by some gargoyles later on. It definitely takes time to learn, and don't feel bad about not ascending for months or even years.

>>140439626
not sure what .11 or SpEn means.
newfag here.

>>140440364
Version 0.11; Spriggan Enchanter.

>>140436334
That's how getting hurt and killed works in real life, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

>>140437395
>It'd be like if everything in crawl had a 1% chance to decapitate you.
RIP VAMPIRE CONVICT

>>140438869
If spending 5 hours at a time playing DCSS feels like a long time to you, maybe DCSS isn't the game for you.

>>140440940
Snicker-snack.

>>140440940
That's a 5% chance though.

>>140438619
what
is this something new
or do you mean you can't find the car tile that has the engine to press the (r)epair button on the engine

>>140441498
Faulty engines are new in the development branch. The engine itself is at 100% health, but is labeled as faulty, which according to the source code means there's something wrong with the drive belt, spark plug, etc. Since the thing has 0 damage, I can't highlight it with repair, but I can't find any other way to view what exactly is wrong with it. Honestly, I don't know if a faulty engine is fixable or if it just needs replacing; I just know that a fellow anon in one of the previous threads had somehow made the game display exactly what the fault was, and I can't find that option.

>>140441079
idk i havent played it yet. i might enjoy it i might not. typically i spend around 3 hours playing a game at a time.

>>140441968
I think currently it can only be displayed and fixed if removed first and then viewed as an item.

Most of the faults don't do much, though.

>>140442485
Gotcha. Anyway, just perusing the vehicle code and fault JSONs, I think I have an immobilizer fault, which...I think I'd need 5 electronics to fix? Which I don't have. Looks like I should just swap engines.

>crawl/changelog.txt

>* Wearing an amulet of regeneration has no effect until the next time you are
at full health.

>* Scrolls of enchant armour & enchant weapon no longer remove curses.

>* The evocable teleport property +Tele is removed. Rings of teleportation now
only have the *Tele teleportitis effect.

>* Arrows, bolts and sling bullets no longer have brands.

>* Removed items:
> - Amulets of resist mutation, stasis, warding, and corrosion.
> - Wands of cold, fire, frost, magic darts, invisibility, draining, and
fireball.
> - Rods of destruction and of the swarm.
> - Ring of invisibility.
> - Potions of poison.
> - Needles of slowing.
> - Lanterns of shadows.

>* Removed monsters:
> - Blue devils.
> - Brain worms.
> - Deep elf fighters, conjurers, priests, and summoners.
> - Trapdoor spiders.
> - Fire drakes.

why even bother anymore

>>140442892
what the fuck

>>140442892
I'm sure you're just cherrypicking. What have they added?

>>140442060
You can simply save and continue later though

>>140442892
Friendly reminder that Crawl is largely 0-sum.
> New god: Pakellas the Inventive.
> A new mutation: Sturdy Frame, reducing base ER by 2/4/6 and thus making heavy armour easier to wear. Can be a demonspawn mutation.
New items:
> The amulet of dismissal, which may teleport away enemies that damage the player, but causes a brief combat penalty when equipped.
> The amulet of reflection, which grants a few points of shielding that act as a shield of reflection.
> The amulet of harm, which increases damage dealt to and by the wearer by 25%.
> The amulet of magic regeneration, which increases MP regeneration after a warmup period.
> The ring of resist corrosion, replacing the amulet.
> Wands of acid, which cause significant damage and corrosion.
> Wands of iceblast, which cause a partially irresistible explosion of cold.
> A figurine of a ziggurat, which can be evoked to create a ziggurat portal. Appears on Zig:27 of all ziggurats and in the Tomb:3 loot.
> Unrand: The +8 frozen axe "Frostbite" {freezing cloud, *Noise +Fly rC+}, an executioner's axe that may create freezing clouds on those it strikes.
> Unrand: The +12 armour of Talos {ponderous, rF+}, a troll/ogre-sized plate armour.
> Unrand: The +3 Warlock's Mirror {reflection}, a buckler that allows reflection of piercing effects and enchantments, among other things.
New monsters:
> Spark wasps, electric swarming insects appearing in Spider and Depths.
> Iron giants, with the ability to throw you towards their pack of allies.
> Doom hounds, who can howl to create a pack of dangerous creatures.
> Deep elf archers, with skill in archery and hexes.
> Deep elf elementalists, with mastery of elemental magic and the ability to turn rock into earth elementals to dig out entrenched foes.
> Dart slugs, slow-moving, squishy gastropods with a ranged dart attack.
> Howler monkeys, fast and extremely loud creatures, often found in packs.
> Rime drakes, small flying lizards which breathe Flash Freeze.

>>140443748
>> Iron giants, with the ability to throw you towards their pack of allies.
This sounds cool.

>>140443748
Amulet of Dismissal is more useless than not. It has an annoying tendency to teleport your enemies away just as you were about to kill them, and doesn't work as an emergency tele-other, which likely what it's supposed to do.

Amulet of Harm is useless unless you're speedrunning, just a bad trait for randarts as it currently is.

What kind of rune do i need to open the Vaults? I found one in D:13 and i can't enter it.

>>140443748
>Talos
Not anymore, hahaha!
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=8064f645b216f2f7aba9de49769929f2ee6cdce7
>>140442892
Elves were reworked, so they don't really count.

>>140443748
I'd say the removed items are more interesting than the new ones though
>dismissal
Good for ranged I guess? There are almost definitely better things to use in that slot and it's probably going to be ignored
>reflection
This can be downright OP in Formicids, but I guess it makes shield builds more viable
>harm
No one is going to use that
>magic regeneration
This already wasn't a issue for casters past the extremely early game
>wand of acid
Draining but acid, with a longer shelf life
>wand of iceblast
Fireball but ice

>>140444693
Runes are at branch ends. Branches are themed dungeons in Lair and Depths and also Vaults.

You will never find a rune on D:13, I'm not even sure what you might think is a rune.

Bootsy reborn has just successfully escaped a city in a vehicle for the first time. I found a car in a residential garage and loaded its trunk up with booty and hauled ass offroad until critters and trees were all I could see. My escape was assisted by a terrifying robotic monster, a chicken walker, gunning down the horde as it moved it on me. I'm lucky it never looked in my direction.
The outskirts of the town were rich pickings; a sporting goods store got me well kitted for basic self defense, plenty of drugs and food in the houses to keep me full and happy for a while, even a basement with 3 barrels of single malt scotch that I've resolved I'll return for.
But the icing on the cake was a military aircraft wreckage between a few of the houses. It netted me a law rocket and a direction emp cbm. I figure either could be useful if I have to take on that chicken walker later.
But for the moment I'm parked a ways out of town, by an ant mound. The locals apparently can't do anything to me so long as I stay in my car. There's a giant wasp nearby, which I've never seen before, and I'm hoping they're the same way. If so, I might camp out here for a couple of days, read up on some basic skills, and maybe train my swing on some ants. After that, scotch.

>Watch nips and kimmies play crawl
>They're shit

>remember that I wanted to play VsSk with Hepl's hexer.
>experimentals are down for the tourney
FUCK

Just scooted by to look at the DCSS changelog for 0.18, I left after 0.17 trunk and man I'm glad I gave it up. How can you put up with these shitty changes?

>>140445212
Are you the one who was watching the Astrid guy? I almost cringed when he let that orc pack with a warrior surround him, but otherwise I don't see how he's shit

>>140445567
>crawl tourney
>implying anyone is going to show up for that shit now that cszo is dead and the game is slowly approaching the fcrawl singularity

>>140445569
I only ever play during the tourneys. Crawl has always been not-great, but tourneys are fun.

>>140446067
Adding to that, he does seem to be extremely lucky. I was expecting him to die to demon summons when he tabbed into the orc high priest in a open space, but the priest did literally nothing while getting beat up

i wonder how many of the people who come here to shitpost about crawl and how they stopped playing ages ago cuz "muh changes" have actually won a game and aren't just parroting what they see others say

>>140446979
They probably have.
What's more concerning is people complaining about changes in a game they don't even play.

>>140446408
>implying people won't show up
Tourneys are fun.

>>140446431
Holy shit, I'm now somewhat impressed, the guy never seems to lose more than 15 HP at a time and that's when he tabs into priests and polearm warriors

>>140444991
>>magic regeneration
>This already wasn't a issue for casters past the extremely early game

it's hilarious if you get it early on though

it's a flat bonus to mana regen, so if you find one while you're still using level 1 spells you basically get infinite mana

mumo-only clan for tournament: y/n?

Ive got a question /rlg/.
i just downloaded DCSS and for some reason the screen is zoomed way into the top left corner. any idea how to fix this?

>>140450204
I'm down
oh wait we have to play on 0.18 though don't we

can you even play mumo in versions with energy randomisation

>>140450584
yea because it can help give you some extra distance to run away up stairs
you just have to make sure you have enough hp to tank a few extra hits if you get unlucky with energy

>>140451181
but how do you pillardance for hundreds of turns if you can't use energyscumming to get free hits without your enemy hitting back

>>140451327
you don't get free hits in mumo, but you can still pillardance and regenerate your health to a safer level before engaging in combat again

>>140451327
What's the deal about energyscumming? Remeber seeing something like that when someone played Mu, but didn't get it. How does it work? I know you can get a distance from ogre if you do something fast and let him you, then run away.

>>140452215
I'm not sure exactly what energyscumming means (I thought it was pillar dancing a dangerous enemy until you create a gap between the two of you allowing you to escape), but there's that ogre trick you mentioned where you let him swing his slow club, which takes more than 1 turn, allowing you to consistently create a gap by walking away and allowing you to flee upstairs. There's also another trick where you shadowbox (punch the air), which takes less than 1 turn, just before an enemy gets next to you, giving you a slight turn advantage when you begin fisticuffs.

>>140452215
Actions like movement usually take 10 energy, and an ogre's attack takes something like 18. The amount of time it took for your last action is displayed on the screen next to the # of turns.

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anybody have a link for the new Cogmind guys? alpha 7 or 8 would be great <3

>>140450262
anyone?

>>140454480
i only play console sorry fampai

>>140454210
>cogmind dev subtly trying to trick people into getting pirated copies taken down
>he doesn't know they don't even exist
Nice try you fucker. Nobody even plays your shitty game.

>>140454814
hey faggot im a poor chinknigger living in a 3rd world shithole using a low end computer and i wanna play that fucking new version because i just have alpha 1. now shut the fuck up suck this dick and gimme that link boi

>>140455560
but he's telling the truth
we don't have it because nobody here plays it

>>140456104
wow you guys are poor

>>140455560
You must have missed the part where I said it doesn't exist.
Please die of sepsis at your earliest convenience.

>>140456261
Nah we just played the earliest pirated version.
Then never again because it was fucking garbage.

>>140456272
why dont you eat my ass passionately and fuck yourself with a taser :^)

>>140446979
I don't know, a lot of people seem to be pretty shit and still downtalk crawl a whole lot. Like a few days ago, that guy who can't even get passed lair on a normal basis is talking about how crawl has been getting easier. I don't know where they get that in their little heads, but they're just going to keep on keeping on.

/vg/ League 6 manager.
After our successful strawpoll (until /4ccg/ rigged it anyway), we are verified to be playing in atleast the /vg/ League 6 qualifiers.

>What the fuck are you talking about?
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_6

>Not a roguelike
Clever one. Anyways, The roster could definitely be improved and changed for the upcoming tournament and I want y'all to make suggestions about who should be added and who should be sacked.
I think a FAULT player would be good; I don't really know why we don't have one already actually.

Here's the link: https://www.suggestionox.com/r/vBZZbN

>>140457338
toppest of jejs

>>140457449
>no Greater Cyber Daemon Angel Lich Wyrm of Law or whatever the fuck
>no Vampire Convict
>no cum
>no Orb Guardian in a game about handling an orb
step it up faggots

>>140458170
Orb Guardian would make for an excellent GK

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Meme NaTm of Chei is fun.

>>140458524
worst combo of worst god

>>140459298
>chei
>worst god
Stop

>>140459754
sorry

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There's Aphrodite in that room, together with many random n of course. Let's hope nothing wakes them up...

can i take migos on with a forked spear and some fur clothing
one tracked my scent in the night and is camping the stairs to the basement in which i am currently pissing myself

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Okay fine, maybe I won't go to the mine's end.

Thank Ahtur I started with Jump and got lucky.

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he's severely injured apparently, probably from bashing his head on the walls up stairs all night, jesus christ

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holy fuck his bashing made the gas tank explode, and i was in the blast radius yet i'm unscathed
at least he's standing in fire now and i probably won't have to risk my life touching him

>>140465509
>Messing with MiGo's
>Ever
They're relentless and spooky anon. Avoid them.

>shoals

Am I the only one who's never played a human in Crawl. I kind of forgot they exist.

>>140467107
I've never touched them. There really isn't any reason to, they just exist to have a baseline.

>>140467350
they seem good for things that want points in lots of different skills, because they have slightly above-average apts for EVERYTHING

maybe IE of Ash or something?

>>140467107
They're pretty good. Great hybrid characters.

>>140467849
>Great hybrid characters
This is pretty meaningless in Crawl.
Hybrid characters are the rule, not the exception.

>>140468312
You know, I would have agreed until I tried out that gargoyle no magic atheist. I would say that crossbow + penetration (and only if you have penetration) with evocations is actually just as viable as hybrids in the late game. Now that bolts of penetration are gone, it feels moot.

>>140468443
Without the conduct, you almost certainly would have taken a few levels in one skill or another for Regeneration, rMSL, or the like at no cost compared to the 27/27 you had from focusing on 5 skills for a definite improvement to your character.

Hybrid is just not really a thing in Crawl. Especially if one considers Evocations as magic.

>>140468813
>Evocations
>Magic
I'm inclined to agree that he would have eventually picked up some magic due to having nowhere else profitable to invest. But the thing is, even though these low cost/high impact spells are good, he never missed them all that much. Regeneration is really good, but when you're firing +8 GSC's out of your +9 triple railgun to end popcorn in one or two turns, you don't lose much HP except in big encounters. You'd want to blink to run away from those, except you also have literal endless teleports from consumables. You want haste, but you probably have a wand. All the bigger spells that are really strong cost a lot of investment for something that you don't necessarily need. The character had more to gain from going TSO for holy triple xbow. The ONLY spell that would have made that character absolutely better was portal projectile. Now that penetration is artifact only, I'd say that the build wouldn't work in postend without portal projectile. Or maybe even not at all.

>>140469503
Yeah, Evocations is pretty much magic.
Just because the game lets you use rods and wands as a Troglodyte, doesn't make it just another method of casting spells.

>>140470761
>doesn't make it not just another

>>140444991
>>reflection
>This can be downright OP in Formicids

I can vouch for that with >>140431071
Those defenses and reflection made me untouchable and I just breezed through V:$ and Zot.
At no point did I miss tele and blink since killholes are king.

I'm so happy to see that /lite/ is up and running. And it's self sustaining, too! Our little boy is all grown up.
it makes me so proud.

>>140471602
I go there to shitpost from time to time too.

>>140435004
>blaming the stat system and speed system
There is only fault, anon. In this case your fault was thinking you could have fun in DDA after the first year.

>>140440940
NEVER FORGET

I think one of the reasons we still talk about crawl might be because of the tournaments. Other than the fact that three and a half years ago this place was literally built for discussing dcss and thus it has always remained a background topic, despite how the regulars stopped playing it and it's mostly new guys trying the new versions and some diehards that keep playing because they like it, the tourneys inject a large amount of dcss in /rlg/'s bloodstream which keeps it running faster and jump higher for a while, then the new guys look at dcss and see people playing it do they play it too and thus the cycle continues.
The fact that there is a tourney each year ensures that there will be not a single thread without dcss posts, no matter what.

>>140472584
Good metaposting. Keep it up.

>>140472584
When's the next tournament?
I hope /rlg/ gets at least one team together.

>>140444991
Acid's actually bretty strong since it stays relevant. The reduction of shit wands helped a lot and it's Ice blast, not cold. As in throw icicle. Where fireball was savaged by resists, ice blast is partially irresistible.

>>140472843
The OP m8.

>>140472897
Fuck.
I don't have time next month.
I'm sure they'll postpone it for me.

>>140472956
Don't worry, I'll email kilobyte about it.

>>140472956
>postpone
That's against the rules m8

>>140455560
>can play IVAN IRL
>doesn't
I was going to say something insulting but then I figured that nothing could be more demeaning than being alive while also being you.

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New guy here.
I'm being carried by my orc lads. I'm going to get stomped in while, aren't I?

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>tfw acquired +3 vampiric triple sword before even reaching Lair

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>>140475449
>beogh

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>>140475449
>bringing your elf bros to the elven halls to slay the heathen knife-ears

>>140475998
>elf bros
Fuck. I'm tired.
Same shit though if you believe the stories.

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ALLAHU AKBAR

>>140475998
>>140476756
To be fair, LoTR's Orcs are a kind of Elf. Since DC:SS' Orcs are based on LoTR Orcs, it's probably fair to say that their Orcs and Elves have some kind of shared history.

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>>140475841
I-is that bad?

>>140475998
>walk into orc mines with 5 stars after reaching to bottom of the dungeon
>3/4 orcs join your cause on the great elf rape crusade
>pic related

Also, I have the feeling I allocated my stats wrong. Can anyone confirm?

>>140477657
>I-is that bad?
Beogh is just a meme god at this point.

>>140477687
I'm playing 0.17, does that make any difference or am I fucked in general?

>>140477905
well, you got to elf, so it can't be THAT bad.
Also you should put all your points in dex by the way.

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>>140477969
>Also you should put all your points in dex by the way.

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>>140478496
>Falling for the STR meme

>>140478496
As a race that will easily get over 20 Str naturally, yeah, you should put all your points into DEX.

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>>140478552
>>140478747
I'll just do the honourable thing then and slaughter elves until I die.

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Make room in Orc heaven, Beogh. I'm coming home.

>>140479801
Read Immolation

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>>140479995
Berserk was a mistake.
Shot in the head by a faggy elf arrow. RIP
Kudos to Urug for sticking with me all the way.
bro4lyfe

>>140467107
I enjoy playing a human galdiator with okawaru as my god

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So I finally reached Mine's End as a fucking wizard.
The secret tech was to pick up some gauntlets of power, then just wear a mithril coat and beat people up with my quarterstaff.

>>140481716
>using a quarterstaff
>not switching to daggers as soon as possible

>>140480117
>HoBevsthedungeon.jpg

>>140481716
>>140482042
Yeah, you don't wanna be using a quarterstaff, you want to stab people as a wizyd.
Also I can't see your stats, but you should've startscummed for at least 18 Int for hungerless casting.

>>140481716
what's that, unnethack?

>>140482042
>>140482214
>stabbing
but that's not a feature in nethack. Unless you mean getting daggers to expert.

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>>140482042
>>140482214
It's okay. I found a dagger of fire.
And bought myself 4 AC!
>>140482217
Dynahack.

>>140482719
>anon has played so much Crawl that he cannot read the word "stabbing" as anything but "sneak attack with a shortblade"
I pity you.

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>>140482765
>dyna but without the UI
Some part of me is terrified beyond belief.

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>>140482832
Oh fuck
fuck you're right

>>140409095
If you don't like cum, how can you know fun at all?
Every rogue-like taste like that!
With more death and less protein in it, though.

>>140482850
It has all of dyna's UI. I just play without the extra information windows (which exist in many other variants, you know) since I play in a small terminal.

Can anyone help me a bit with Pos Chengband?

I've tried playing it a few times and every fucking time I get gangraped by the breeding types of enemies. For example, this game I got destroyed by...quiver slots. I couldn't actually manage to take them out faster than they could confuse and rape me.

Any ideas what I should be doing? Am I playing totally wrong?

>>140484417
>this game I got destroyed by...quiver slots
oh god quiver slots are a pain
just go down or recall if you see them

>>140484515

I had no idea they would reproduce. I encountered them playing the game for the first time in a year or so and ended up getting confused so long that I couldn't actually play the game.

I have no idea what's good or what stats I should be having in character gen though, either. I really just want to have an easymode game so I can adjust and then start experimenting a bit more.

I'm also getting horrible elona vibes regarding the types of monsters in the game. Quiver slots? Wat.

>>140483052
Oh and if you didn't know that yet, make sure to smash all the statues you see. They can drop spellbooks.
But I'm sure you know that.

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>>140484625
>I really just want to have an easymode game so I can adjust and then start experimenting a bit more.
Go with the dosh, anon.

>>140484683

Elaborate, cash money man.

>>140484738
there's an android rune knight guide in the pasta, at the end.
Long story short, they synergize really, really really well.
To the point it's almost cheating.

>>140484738
Read the filename

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/rlg/ plays pokemon

>>140484629
Yup. Praise force bolt.

Found an aligned altar and I have create monster spell and wand, so time to farm some sacrifices.

>>140484828

Thanks, appreciate it a load.

>>140484856

Yeah, that was kind of stupid of me.

Thanks for spoonfeeding me guys, I'll go play now and stop bothering you both. :^)

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>>140484878
Wanna have a pokemon battle?

>>140487303
>no babbles
You lose

>>140487521
I thought you couldn't get babbles as pets.

>>140487679
Well I got them many times through summon monster cheese.
Though I don't know, maybe the latest version removed that or something. Haven't played since 4.0

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>Try out Centaur Berserker since figure jumping would be pretty awesome
>After dealing with Warg and getting recall, fuck off to Morivant

Well, dang.

>>140488498
Wow, what a shitty ambush.

>>140488498
That's some GoodPCB.

>>140483050
Cum doesn't sound like fun in singleplayer, it's probably only fun in 1v1.

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another embarrassing first

>>140488498
Assguttered.

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This took a full wand and 3 magic bars full of sacrifices to get.
As long as I'm wielding it, I don't need my cloak for MR though, correct?

>>140493984
Why do Wizards get Magicbane anyway?
Shouldn't it be bad that their weapon is their magick's bane?

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This room type is a sin.

>>140494586
The only thing wizards hate more than other people is other wizards, of course.

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>tfw I'll never be able to use this
Even with Naga size, Cheistats and a ring of Wiz I doubt I could cast for shit on this thing

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>>140494771
>The only thing wizards hate more than other people is other wizards, of course.

>>140496672
Also most forms meld it, except bladehands/lich/statue.

>>140496672
Second heaviest after crystal plate so it'd take quite a bit of stats and skills to cast anything in it, yes.

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Holy shit does that whip have a CURARE brand?

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>>140457449
>four players are dicks

>>140496905
GDA is actually heavier than CPM, despite having lower AC

the resists are real good tho so it's usually a better choice

>>140498159
Do it anon

become the full snake

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>>140498761
It's only natural to be interested in dicks and drinking cum.

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Well, that's pretty small.