/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Down with wins in the OP
the OP should be about anything else but that

Just trying out Elona+
What are the must have starting feats? Some of these sound like newbie traps.

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>>140568840
>>140643670
hey guys I'm back if anyone want to help a newb to escape with the Rune of Zot or if anyone just wants to watch me die. I'm in the berotato server my name is doroboNeko.

>>140647714
Avoid stat boosts (maybe the life and mana ones if you're extremely deficient in one (i.e. Golems & mana)).
Uncontrollable power doubles damage you give and take, confuses you for a few turns, is amazing.
Natural Leader gives you Cheer which gives your pets Speed and Hero, it's amazing.

>>140649615
You mean orb run? It's easiest part of the game.

No fast reader trait and sub-14 intelligence is suffering

>>140653265
No. I mean beat the game. I'm at snake currently. I'm tired of this goddam snakes in this goddamn branch.

>>140653957
It could be worse.
You could be in shoals.
It didn't give you shoals, did it?

>>140650142
So I just take Feats that give me skills? What about luck or things that give me non-stat related passives, like the tax related ones?

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Yet another demon win. Tried to streak another win after this one, but splatted stupidly to Reprobus. Oh well.

>>140654573
It did give me Shoals

>>140654609
In general yeah, move feats are worth more because they give you stuff you can't get any other way.
Luck is never worth it, you need massive amounts to see differences and that's what Lucky Day's are for.
Tax probably isn't worth it, it's inconsequential for the most part and can be reduced by kitty banking your money before tax day. Quartermaster might be interesting, though I've never tried it.

Other nice move feats are Drain Blood, mainly because it GIVES you stamina with use so you can use more special moves, and it can be used on allies for this reason and they won't get mad at you (if they really like you).
Touch of Sleep might be good for pickpocketing.
Exorcist prevents random events from cursing your shit but from what I've heard it might not be worth it.

>>140654963
Welp

>>140655380
>>140654609
Poison Touch is nice for insta-gibbing bells and other super fast lightweights.

>>140656926
You can just throw potions at bells.

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>reposting from last thread to catch anyone who missed it attention
Where the fuck are the PosChengband tilesets? I'm searching all over Google and nothing is coming up. When I try to enable tiles it gives me the "You may not do that right now" and tells me it can't execute the files because they don't even exist in the first place. I'm just sick of staring at numbers and letters.

HELP

>>140659131
No dude.
You don't use the poschengband tileset.
Okay? You just don't.
There's a reason the maintainer removed them from the latest version.
They literally don't work. Haven't for ages, there are tons of monsters without a tile, and the ones that have tiles- you don't want to see them.
PCB tiles are worse than ToME4 tiles, and I don't say that type of thing lightly.

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>>140659458
>PCB tiles are worse than ToME4 tiles, and I don't say that type of thing lightly.
Well I didn't know they were THAT bad. I guess the game is fun enough to where I can enjoy it without tiles.

>>140659648
You'll get used to it.
Poschengband was the first game I started enjoying in ASCII (unless you count Brogue), and now I play everything in ASCII as long as such an option exists.

So in Elona+, if I didn't take a ranged based class, is it still worth it to try and use bows and guns? Or am I stuck with throwing rocks?

>>140654760
grats

i wish that game weren't a pokemon trainer, i would certainly try it

>>140661071
That's like saying if pokemon weren't pokemon, you would try it.

>>140660612
Probably you should have something for ranged, whether magic or a weapon.

Definitely you should put something in that slot for free resists even if you don't use the weapon.

>>140661071
what's wrong with pokemon
and demon is one of the most tactical roguelikes i've ever played, it's not even near finished

>>140661815
well i dont like being a team manager

>>140662117
it's pretty much like inventory or equipment management, just flavored differently
swapping out a demon is like swapping out a resist/weapon/whatever

>>140646794

>No SotS the Pit pasta

ONE FUCKING JOB

>>140664092
Make one yourself.

Posted on a previous thread. I have a question. Whenever i start DCSS it only shows the top left quarter of the game. its like the resolution is wrong or something. whenever i exit and hover my mouse over the tab itll show the whole thing. its just whenever i click on it it'll zoom in to the top left quarter.

Anyone know how to fix this? ive looked on google and forums but havent found anything yet.

>>140665972
does it work properly if you turn off full-screen mode?

>>140664092
But that game is bad.

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Oh dear /rlg/...

Dear /rlg/, serial ascender of the dungeon.

Rise if you would. For that is our curse.

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Good kitty.

Is the DCSS server laggy or is it me?

>Elona+ crashes every time I get near Yowyn or whatever
Is this normal?

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>>140674605
Chosen /rouge/s. I like it.

Now play more Incursion.

>>140676540
there are multiple dcss servers you dirty minotaur

you have to specify which one

>>140679809
CSZO

>>140680917
:^)

>>140678579
No.
Unless they changed shit.
Though from a gameplay standpoint that seems like a shitty change.
Which version do you have?

Is there any reason to pick a non-Spriggan race for an Enchanter, other than to add challenge? It seems like it's just "The Spriggan Class"

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what fucking retard came up with a zombie that launches infinite automated flying grenades

>>140682393
For fun?
Who am I kidding, it's Crawl after all.
VS is pretty fun for any background though.

What's a good one for begginers? I'm autistic enough to play an ascii only game.

>>140683928
In the what to play pasta there is a list of good beginner roguelikes and a short description, choose whichever one looks appealing to you.

>>140683928
DCSS

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Fucking bullshit volcano.
Also, Vehumet will gift me a guaranteed Shatter since I'm an Earth Mage, right?
I already have the Book of Annihilations.
This might be fun.

>>140685014
>guaranteed
You wish.

>>140685014
How to cheese every volcano
1. Read magic map
2. Dig straight to the path with a wand of digging or other means, avoiding ALL fire and lava. Teleporting until you're close to the vault works too.

Just be sure to train conjurations, he might gift you LCS.

>>140685243
>he might gift you LCS

I already have the Book of Annihilations.
I just want shatter for the greatest V:$splosion of all time.

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Ahahaha!
Vehumet can fucking suck it.
At least she gives me mana and increased range.

>>140686295
>xe

I can't believe how fucking dead we are when people aren't playing dcss or shitposting.
Do we seriously not do anything else? I mean I know there's at least two guys playing dynahack but holy shit it's either that or dcss galore forever.

>>140686561
I often post Sil and *hacks too.
I'm just playing DCSS again since it's been a while.
Why don't you post about what you're playing instead of metaposting?

>decide to start a playtrough on ASCII in cataclysm
OH GOD EVERYTHING IS Z's

I mean holy fuck someone play adom and DDA and Ivan and nethack and elona and Qud and sil and frozen depths and PCB and ALL THE GAMES IN THE PASTA
There's been at least a single win for dcss in every fucking thread for the past four years
It's time to stop
This needs to stop
This is literally our last chance
We are dying because people are burnt out of crawl and we end up relying on new guys to bump the thread
Look at you
Be the change this thread needs
Play something else holy fuck

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>>140686884
Okay I'll post something oldie mcgoodies from DDA

>>140686884
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>140686561
>>140686884
>We need to play games
>But I won't be the one to change and post /rouge/, you do it
Hey buddy, fuck you. Everytime I play, I post about it so that other anons can get in on the action. Why can't you play? Why don't you post about it?

I mean I'm looking at the /lite/ general okay
And I'm fucking appalled
They're having civil discussions about their favorite games and they're playing ALL OF THEM.
They burn about one thread every two days. They don't even touch page 9.
A d that's because they have fucking roguelite biodiversity
They don't talk about fucking enter the dungeon all fucking day long
>>140687053
Good goy

>>140686884
I'm playing Elona but I can't exactly post shit about it regularly.
Unless you guys enjoy waifu updates for some godawful reason.

>>140687095
Because I'm making this rant on a phone, anon.
I've been splatting dyna convicts for the last three weeks, get off my goddamn back.

>>140687320
Oh. I'm sorry anon, I didn't know. You do good work and I eagerly await your ascension. I really do all I can for us when I play though. Someone else needs to post like us.

>>140687307
Well I'm not forcing you to post just throwing out that every post is a good one
At the same time I don't hate the dcss posting (since there's gonna be a lot o
More during the tournament too) I just want people to post different shit. If you keep posting one kind of roguelike, people will play that. You try a new one,you get the PCB effect, where we played like crazy for months.
I've just realized nobody won IA 1.8

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Alright, fuck.
I won't post about Crawl again.
Happy now?

>>140687436
I've reached a perfect way to handle the challenge. Basically grab 0 AC in the mines, then dive down. Eventually I'll find an elf and grab his pall and shield for -3 AC, which is good enough to handle the guards. Then I have to kill my quest nemesis with -3 AC, but apparently it doesn't resist sleep so a wand should dispatch her while I bash ber with my huge balls. The last step after that is to grab a ring of slow digestion, because the guard trick bleeds nutrition without it, so I have to go to sokoban and hope for the best. Once I get the guards rolling I can get to level 30 with potions of gain level and put all the loot inside my blessed bag of holding I got in the mines.
I found out a way to enforce spell-less too! I just sit on an antimagic trap until I have 0 mana. I only memorize the first spellbook I find so I can confuse myself to fooproof armor anyway.

>>140687989
That is bot what I said
Gosh
I can't and I don't want to stop the crawl posting
It's a good game at times
I just want some roguelike humus for new players to frolick in and grow their tiny hjklun arms and that's only reached through biodiversity
Play what you want

>>140686561
I would continue my playthrough of UrW shaman mod but Dominions 4 and running and being healthyhas sucked up all my free time

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>>140687307
I like waifu updates

>>140689049
Oh shit I haven't seen incursion in a long while. Have you tried the new races rmtew unlocked? Like the drow and the whatever the other ones were?

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>>140689147
Yeah, they're pretty legit. Didn't know the Drow weren't always accessible, but you can play with subraces. Dragonkin Lizardfolk and Grey Elves are probably the strongest races in the game now.

Sidenote: I hate when neutrals steal my crossbow bolts.

>>140686561

i'm the same as this >>140686704 anon. My "main" roguelike is poschengband but i've been giving dynahack, cata, and DCSS a go. DCSS is sucking me in quite alot more than i expected. speaking of, is a paladin style warrior of the shining one a good idea or am i gonna splat terribly?

>>140689574
There's a reason they removed TSO from the backgrounds. You get piety by killing demons and undead, which are mostly present in the endgame. The only good thing about tissot is the +hit aura at the very start.

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>>140689365
Is someone actively developing Incursion again?

>>140690208
Pretty sure the development stopped around november 2015, anon. Rmtew is only human after all.

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Fuck you ponyposter, I'll post about Crawl if I want.

What the fuck did they do with my beautiful piety caves?
This is the fucking entrance.
I already killed a Knight and Nergalle who were also camping it.

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>>140690208
Not really. Julian has abandoned it, and rmtew has done some minor bugfixing, but that was back in January.

It's open-source now, so you can fork it, but it has that whole 90s C++ thing going on, and ain't nobody got time for that.

>>140690413
>Fuck you ponyposter
Unf

>I'll post about Crawl if I want
Nobody's actually stopping you, I'm just saying that other games are good too
Now let's get back to the part where you said you wanted to fuck me
Are you at least gonna take me somewhere nice before

>>140690420
>and ain't nobody got time for that.

We clearly need some motivated NEETs.

>>140690932
Incursion is an unfinished demo that was gonna be the greatest roguelike of all time, with an overworld, random dungeon generation and an economy system. Kind of like ultima ratio regum meets ADOM.
The dev wasn't autisic enough to toady it up and the game never really caught the attention DF got, so what we have is an unfinished 10-level demo of what was gonna be a way bigger game.
It's not a bad game and it's really fun on its own, but it's not necessarily what you'd call a project you would want to pursue.
Best case scenario (getting rid of all the bugs, importing the code base to github, etc etc) the game would be a bugless demo.

A really damn good one but still. A 10 level demo. And let me tell you they don't have the manpower to actually fix one fourth of the bugs of the game. If you start the game in nightmare mode and go down to level 7 or something, you'll take five minutes to take five steps for the sheer amount of spellcasters casting spells out of your LOS. Then the game will crash.
Incursion is a good game to play and win st least once to get a feel of the bigger picture. A "what if".
Also to eat all the tomes.

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>>140690932
More like paid NEETS. Incursion can only be built on Windows and inside of Microshit's Visual Studio, and only money would make me want to touch that.

Plus, the system is super robust, but was developed more or less exclusively by one dude, so its just strange. In fact, most of what you see in-game isn't even in the main code, but is made in IncursionScript, which Julian made specifically for the game.

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>carrying the Broken TV to get the robot
>get a "fire bullets on item activation" item
>get a "bullets fire from enemies on hit" item
>get scattershot bullets
>throwing the TV spawns infinite bullets in all directions, spawning more bullets that spawn more bullets
>accidentally throw the TV into a pit right before the boss

Why fucking bother

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>>140691557

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>>140691270
And to expand on what >>140691250 said, Incursion was made basically for solo DnD play. It's based on the d20 ruleset, is extensively written in regards to how things work, and gives the player pretty huge amounts of customization without fucking up the base, like some shitty zombie-related games.

If you're interested, you should read the white paper Julian wrote about the game, where he explains how and why he wrote it.

I do agree, though, it would be easier to write another game from scratch than to update Incursion. Julian and Toady both rode the high of Strange Moods into some crazy shit, and it would be hard fuck with their work so late in the game.

>>140691250
>>140691270

Sounds like someone should just blatantly copy everything in a better environment and more debugging since it's open source when they're making a totally new roguelike and then build on that.

>>140691270
>In fact, most of what you see in-game isn't even in the main code, but is made in IncursionScript, which Julian made specifically for the game.
what the fuck

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>>140692000
Yep. If you check the source, src/ just contains all the architecture, which puts the pieces together. Most of the actual building blocks are defined in the lib/ folder. Here is subraces.irh, specifically where he defines the Grey Elf subrace.

It's actually within reason to re-flavor Incursion as any other genre, since everything is defined the way it is.

>>140691803
I've been wanting to make another d20 roguelike for a long-ass time, but I'm not sure whether there would be interest since nobody plays Incursion.

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Climbing up slowly.

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...Little girl?

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Now we're going places.

>>140693745
cat :3

>>140693745
Little girl is actually the best choice, no joke - she has good equipment slots! Sell her for a better pet in the thief town later though, haa.

>>140693745
From worst to best
Bear > Cat > Dog > Little Girl

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It's like I'm really worshipping Trog.

>>140693745
Welcome to Elona! Enjoy your stay. Don't forget to marry the fridge.

>>140693745
>horse picture
>elona
;_;

>>140695004
HORSE NEVER EXISTED LET IT FADE

dicks where are you ;_;

>>140646794
what is this image used for

>>140659131
There aren't.

Well, ok, there are, but they're not in this version, download an earlier version, take the tiles file and put it in the newest version, that should work.

I guess, I haven't even tried.

They're fucking shit though.

>>140692372
So, we can't get any info about the scroll of omnipotence from there?

>>140695031
I can't still fucking believe dicks got a horse through inferno mode
A horse with LESS SLOTS THAN A NORMAL HUMAN

>>140696575
Wait, that isn't ADoM, shit, I'm dumb.

>>140694432
>from worst to best
>uses >
.................... ANON STOP

So, if kicking trains dexterity, should I just kick every door in nethack if I know there will be no repercussions?

And does every door count? even the ones you can close and open without problems?

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>>140696653
If you want adom's source code, biskup is selling it a hardcover version for 50 K.

I fucking hate biskup, jesus christ.

>>140697507
Kicking doors eventually (like after the third kick usually) destroys them. The best way to train dex is to play a harp or a flute for 600 turns, since you can hurt yourself when kicking a door or a sink.

>>140697507
Doesn't abusing this lead to straining the stat instead?
>>140697597
>50 thosand
wow

>>140697597
Right, well I always break them with the first or second kick, so it doesn't seem that I'll be getting more dex that way.

Also, my pet just got teleported, if I can't find it should I just leave it?

>>140697807
>Doesn't abusing this lead to straining the stat instead?
nope. Kicking a sink and getting "the pipes vibrate noisily" trains dex. There's a 2/3 chance for that to happen.
Hurting yourself while kicking the sink (Ouch, that hurts!) with a chance of getting lame, abuses dex AND strength.
You're better off playing a harp, seriously.

>>140697860
>Also, my pet just got teleported, if I can't find it should I just leave it?
depends on your class. If you're a dwarven valkyrie you don't need it. Just remmeber to drop shit on an altar before putting it on, to identify it.

>>140696606
All is possible with the power of love
And fucking one billion straight hours of grinding

>>140696249
uh

the op of the thread?

>>140697946
Another question, if my pet picks up items in the shop is that considered stealing? I didn't tell him to pick things up, but he just did.

Also why is the shopkeeper making me pay for the corpses of the mimics I killed.

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Ultimate parry.
>>140697507
I don't know for sure, but make sure to leave a few rooms closed with doors, if you have a key they are a great place to rest.
It's probably not worth kicking every single door.

>>140698317
>if my pet picks up items in the shop is that considered stealing?
Nah. It's called the pet discount. it's annoying but doable.
>>140698317
>Also why is the shopkeeper making me pay for the corpses of the mimics I killed.
Well anything that is dropped in his shop is his.
Don't drop your shit in there.

>It invokes a storm of raw magic.
>The attack hits shadow, you are unharmed!

Ninjas are amazing.

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Finally!

Who would have thought, attacking light blinds you.

Sorry Hachi.

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>huge hardware shop has three magic lamps and a BoH
Making me regret wishless again are you game

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>>140699323
Stop whining, buy the bugle, and give it a nice toot from time to time.
That'll cheer you up.

>>140699570
Whining? I'm happy! Last time I got the whole way to the quest level without a magic lamp.

>>140698307
other than that

>>140699083
So, is eating the corpse of my pet safe or will it anger my god even more?

>>140699630
I don't think it was used for anything else, other than making the character

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f-finger, eh?
w-wew

>>140699956
>divine

>>140700021
it's probing

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THE FATE OF US ALL
LIES DEEP IN THE DARK
WHEN TIME STANDS STILL AT THE IRON HILL

>>140700281
Dear non, bless you forever for the Blind Guardian.

I am gonna go kill Metal Babble. How exactly do needles work?

>>140700793
Well first you train the skill so you can actually hit things with them.
Then you hit things with them and there's a chance they will die in one hit.
That's it.

>>140700793
You poke the babble with one repeatedly and hope it dies while it spams psycho-spear at you.

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uuuugh
fuck it
fuck it for today
I'm gonna study

>decide to give a try to some other roguelikes
>pick Elona+
>spend 10 min in char creator, only to realise im playing with permadeath on
>walk 1 step outside the house
>"Hungry Demon touches you. You turn into several pieces of meat. Goobye..."
mkay...

>>140701238
imagine, dicku-kun actually won that game in permadeath mode.
He's a saint.

>>140700793
you dimension door next to the babble at +60 speed.
You hit the babble once.
You keep doing that until it dies or you die.

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If you ever wondered how is golem formed
eggs

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Uhm... I'm kinda new to the *hack series, but don't they follow dnd's "18 is the maximum you can get on a stat" thing?

Either way, found an awesome coat, woooo

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Not sure where to head next...

>>140702613
It hasn't bee so in DnD either. Depends on edition.
In character generation, yeah, 18 (+4) is the max, but you can go further with magical items and ability score gains ( every x level ).
In 5th edition the absolute stat cap is 25, with 20 being 'natural' max.

>>140702780
Go dive Angband

>>140702613
They do. In fact that best you can get naturally is 18/**, like in old AD&D. Putting on a "x of power" (usually guantlets, but dyna adds random magical proprieties) gives you 25 strength, which is the same as 18/** in everything, except it also makes you able of throwing mjollnir.
Take off your second ring of free action, every ring and amulet makes you go hunger faster

Oh wait you're satiated and just trying to get less hungry
I get it

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>>140702780
>>140702939
Huh, so 25 is the cap... I guess the other power item I just found is useless then...
Also, first time hearing about the rings/amulets taking away your hunger, thanks for that

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Wonder what that is, and why is it in purple. Game seems to like me.
First Whisperfeet, now this.

>>140703271
>taking away your hunger, thanks for that
no no
they make you more hungry
unless it's slow digestion
and being satiated is bad because it abuses dexterity
plus speedboots are the best boots
>>140703357
's that slex?

>>140703407
Yes.
I've never found an item in purple before, though.
And I've played for quite awhile.

>>140703462
ID it or go ask amy on IRC, I can't find anything about it on google

>>140703515
I'll let myself be surprised instead.
Once I find any ID scrolls.

>>140703407
Ohhh, so those stat events weren't completely random, that explains a bit...

>>140703515
>>140703602
Bah, turns out it's just a ring of protection. OWELL

>>140703836
laaame

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Wand for sale, bidding starts at million dolla or local equivalent.
Zimbabwe money not allowed.

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/lite/ is shitposting about /rlg/ again

>>140702232

>>140704448
Just got a +2 ringmail of fire protection for my merfolk berserker. This is the best possible armor in the game, right?

>>140704660
No.
An unenchanted one is better.

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>Mara clones me
>clone assgutters me with my own LCS for like 90 HP

Welp.
Back to NetHack, Sil and muh porn games it is.

I once had a +4 ringmail of rC and +6 slaying, it was something. The slayiest merfolk ever, that was.

>>140705345
screenshot please, for the memes

>>140705464
No.
I omitted the actually shameful part and I don't want people to see it.

So eating dog corpses gives you aggravate monster.

Good thing samurais get stealth.

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>>140701343

>>140705952
stop eating cats and dogs you chink

>>140705996
I was hungry.

>>140706041
yeah right
I know your kind
I bet you lay your eggs as a dragon and give enough xp to your pets to train them, then starve them to death in sokoban for their hides
you monster

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Nice Sokoban bro
How will I ever solve it

>>140706186
I haven't even reached sokoban and for now I'm not playing as a female.

>>140706408
uh
who are you even
are you the @ at the top or the @ in the middle

>>140706687
The middle
For some reason there's a shop and the dude has the amulet of reflection.
For 150 gold.
Which I don't give a shit about since it will be my 3rd amulet of reflection on this run.
I was counting on the bag, but no such luck.

>>140706408
That yellow is tearing at my eyes.

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>>140706337

I am tempted. How does tonberry vampire even work?

>>140706337
Does Dio even Za Warudo in PCB?

>>140706408
You can't even solve that. Yo'd have to push the boulder, SE twice , then circumvent it, then push the other boulder but it'd only get stuck and you'd have to squeeze.
That's bullshit.

>>140707020
It doesn't.
You won't be a tonberry anymore.
>>140707048
Anon I don't need to solve shit, there's literally no walls
I was being sarcastic

>>140707023
>Does Dio even Za Warudo in PCB?
yep.
>How does tonberry vampire even work?
Shitty. Vampires are pretty bad compared to tonberries.
>>140707116
>there's literally no walls
I thougth those blue .s were iron bars.
That's stupid.

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>>140707023
Yes. Actually dropped my hp from 850 to 320 or so.

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Okay. This is enough for today.
Breaking new ground with a wizard. FINALLY. Got finger of death book in minetown on my way back up and killed fucking everyone with my acid dragon pal. Did the quest, mine's end, and sokoban and finally got some holy water and thus a blessed bag/touchstone/luckstone. Now I have 1b gold and a shitload of gems. Things are looking good.

>>140707023
Yes. Dio has time stop in PCB even though Dio Brando is the part 1 version.

He should really have psycho spears instead, with a unique message.

>>140707501
>ludios
>3 AC
Jesus christ

If I have no other weapon should I use a shield as a samurai?

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>>140707880
Yeah I was actually curious about that. It should be negative.
>You are protected
>10 AC with nothing equipped
???

>cataclysm still has no melee system where yo can aim for limbs/do heavy attacks
I understand literally every other roguelike but if your mobs are all the fucking same thing with different speed/HP you know you've fucked up

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>>140708318
>pw 195
>HP 90

>>140708656
Yeah and if that wasn't bad enough, I am playing a sickening elf.

>>140709087
around elves
stock your shelves

>>140709328
> Trog gifts you a +3 antimagic halberd
> previous gifts were +1 antimagic trident, +6 antimagic glaive and +3 antimagic spear
So, where do I go to suicide with my +9 ANTIMAGIC glaive: slimes, swamp or spiders? No poison resist, no mutation resist, no magic resist. Have resist corrosion.

>>140710006
Why are you responding to me, you dirty crawler
I swear on me mum

>>140710107
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>140710107
Finding the "post a reply" button is too much effort for a crawl baby like me so I just press on a random post number to quote. I get my shitposting faster, you get your (you)'s, everybody wins.

Tell me, do you like roguelites?

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>>140712479

>>140712479
No
Yes

>>140712574
I will as soon as you tell me if you like them or not.

this general is fucking dead, atleast I'm trying to keep it alive

>>140712767
Better dead and fondly remembered than a slow and painful slide down to shitposty mediocrity.

>>140712858
/vg/ is full of shitposting.

Now, it can be "good" shitposting or bad shitposting.

>>140702780
Is this PCB? I haven't played any RLs for several months and I know it had some updates, but never looked into what the changes were.

>>140702780
>the rapier "silver chariot"

Ha.

Also, if it's the first time I'm playing PCB should I pick rune knight?

How do you wield the dragonslayer.

This circlejerk bullshit on the forums is pissing me off.

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>>140713709

>>140713165
Yes.
The newest version looks nice.

>>140713324
You're going to die anyway so pick something that sounds interesting.
Dosh Knights are pretty fun and interesting though.

>>140713862
I know you have to be berserk, but that's not enough, there is another prerequisite.

>>140713875
Rune knights look interesting so I'll pick that.

>>140714228
Good for you anon.
Remember to read the pasta even if it's a little outdated.

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At 80th level of Angband. I wonder if I should finish up some side-business. I kill lot of uniques I face ( with some exceptions, like Atlas ),

>>140713324
Rune Knight's stronk, but levels slowly. Warrior's probably best choice for beginner, though.

>>140715303
Don't worry, I'm patient, but I have a question, dwarf of human?

>>140713709
You need the berserker armor I think

>>140715563
Human. Dwarf is a shitty race in PCB.

>>140715563
Go Half-Titan or Demigod for a first character.

>>140715880
I'm not sure about that, it's possible though.

>>140686884
>There's been at least a single win for dcss in every fucking thread for the past four years
Newfag detected
We've had entire months where people barely post about crawl at all, nevermind win

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That's the singing sword up there

>>140715880
Pretty sure that's unrelated, there is a non-random DS long before armor.
One of pick conditions is having berserk status, also it's supposedly obtainable by any character so traits or previous floors drops don't matter.

>>140716054
Ah sorry it's the other way around, berserk armor cannot be equipped without the dragonslayer

>pair of boots has 90% coverage vs thigh high boots which have 80%
really nice there DDA, really nice.

>>140717848
>playing DDA

Why do you hurt yourself.

>>140718143
it lets me mount a 120MM to a bicycle so I play it from time to time.

>>140713709
Okay I'm guessing you need blademaster and berserker to be able to wield it, I don't really have any other guesses after having checked some morgues.

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Wow Menkaure is actually really weak without his offensive magic

What was that strategy to use the first levels of the dungeon as a source of unlimited XP due to OoD spawns?

Could you guys give me a general advice on clearing branches in DCSS?
I've found the Lair, immediately cleared it fully, then cleared one branch (swamp) fully and got the rune. What do I do now: go for other runes, clear the dungeon, clear the mines and maybe elven halls? It seems that no matter where I go I get the same level of difficulty, does the game spawn monsters based on your current level, so you can never outlevel it?

>>140697597
>0 out of 1 claimed

>>140720157
Mines then D15 then 2nd rune

>>140697597
He isn't "selling" it, that's from the fundraising campaign which finished about 4 years ago. The point is that someone generous enough to give him 50k would receive the source code, not that he set up a stand on the market where he gives people the code for 50k

>>140710006
you will die in slime
go spider, beware tarantella confusion and orb spiders
bring your blowgun and a change of panties

>>140720840
Also consider that he most likely made way, way, way more than 50k from the steam launch, so even if he WAS to sell the source code that would be below its value. But he would be selling it to some game company, not to a hobbyist

>>140697597
>hard bound source code
you might as well kill yourself if you buy this
holy shit

>>140721145
It isn't intended to be used, it's just a gesture. Again, that was from the fundraising campaign which is already finished, and he isn't actually selling it. You may also notice that the prize also includes him personally delivering it and staying to talk about the game

>>140704194
Does that summon Amy

>more roguelike discussion on /rlite/ than /rlg/
this is the future you chose

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>yeah man I want to, like, do acrobatics on my plate armor, can you do that?

Also, I'm the guy who's posted the mummy, should I buy that FDA? How much training would I need to counter the penalties with 15 strength? I've got lucky with rings of protection and aux gear so I have 20/13 defenses

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>>140722456

>>140723279
Oh shit.
Nicely done anon.
Are you a ninja?

>>140723394
Yeah. Dual-wielded poison needles.
Despite everything, it went relateively smoothly. Once psycho-spearing brought me to 200 hp. I did destruct one part of the map because I fucked up and let Greater Rotting Q get involved.

Time to go create an artifact.

>>140723559
>Time to go create an artifact.

Are you going to stairway to heaven?

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>>140723559
It was worth the shot.

>>140723727
I don't even have the green baby yet.

>>140723862
Wouldn't a Falcon Sword be gud for a ninja?

>>140724084
Yeah, I have bunch that I should be getting to reforging, now that I have nice amount of fame too.

>>140724204
Are Thanos and Winblows unreforgeable now with the reforge rework?

>>140723862
PDSM is a bad artifact creation base.

Is leveling armor obligatory for melees-without-spells in crawl? From what I understand, you only need 20 strength to not get destroyed by encumbrance of plate, and AC isn't increased with armor skill, only equipment itself. I've been leveling dex and dodging after hitting 20 strength, how badly am I about to get fcuked later on?

How the fuck do you guys play PCB. In my experience it's an eternal grind to fun. I really want to like it though.

>>140724929
Git gud. 90 minutes to level 50.

>>140724929
just pretend it's Morrowind or something

>>140724929
You have to route the early game.
Then the midgame is just grindy as fuck.
It would be nice if levels 32-44 simply didn't exist.

Is CDDA still shit? Is it worse than a few months ago?

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I don't like this class

>>140725319
Use your ability to recharge your wand.
Use Trog's Hand to regenerate.

>>140725090
But how?

>>140725618
Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud. Git gud.

>>140725319
>11 MP
>you

>>140725760
Oh my god man pleeease.

>>140725618
Android rune-knight. Just make better shit, sell it, get better shit & put runes in it for levels. Think there's a guide about it in the pasta. also git gud

>>140717848
but do thigh high boots cover legs as well as feet?

>>140725618
He's meming

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Right, so my adventures to become godzilla continues, and for this run I decided to challenge myself to not using any perks that you would deem helpful (aside from fast learner because reading is annoying), and I have to give creds to the idea that not having night vision and not having anything but a temporary torch can be quite spooky if you lack good armor/weaponry.

Also tried ASCII for quite a bit but I think DDA is one of the games I would never touch with ASCII, as it majorly looks bad in terms of color selection and both giving the player an understanding on what the fuck is what from a distance.

>>140725252
Cars have been made harder to find in working conditions and now require a few more things, still bloaty as fuck and now you're required to have minerals in your body every day or you suffer consequences. There's also a bionic limit for bodyparts (HINT HINT which doesn't fucking work HINT HINT)

>>140725836
I don't want to play easy mode.

>>140720840
>implying that video game kickstarters are anything other than a glorified sales/preorder platform

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ayy
Do gozag's potion effects work on mummies?

>>140725829
Android RK.

>>140726050
Yeah, that and the fact that Mummies don't require food are why Gozag is so good for them

>>140725980
They are when big developers use it, Biskup needed it to actually finance development

>>140723862
don't use artifact creation on PDSM.

the huge number of resists mean it has a really high "value" already, an turning it into an artifact will only add a few more bonuses.

artifact creation is best used on an item with like one really good property, so becoming an artifact will add a lot of extra stats and shit.

the technically optimal way to do shit would probably be letting acid monsters dissolve a falcon blade or diamond edge to -20 to lower its value, turning it into an artifact, then enchanting it back to +12,+12

>>140725980
Cata's ks wasn't. It was worse.

>>140724883
Levelling Armour does increase AC, it's used in calculation though base type is way more important

>>140724883
armor skill does increase AC, and also reduces the penalties from the armor

20 strength doesn't completely remove penalties (which is impossible nowadays), it's just a good number to have IN ADDITION to high armor skill to reduce most of the penalties

if you currently have lowish armor skill, levelling armor will actually have a big positive effect on your EV and accuracy

>>140726459
I always hear this, but wasn't around for it. What happened?

>>140726457
>a falcon blade or diamond edge to -20 to lower its value, turning it into an artifact, then enchanting it back to +12,+12

Can an artifact still be improved with enchantment?

>>140726457
Ah, bummer.
I didn't quite know that. I'll keep it in mind on next game / when I find another artifact creation-scroll.

>>140726638
> levelling armor will actually have a big positive effect on your EV
Yeah, well, armor is -3 and dodging is +3, will the armor really outweight the EV I get from dodging?

>>140726728
Yes.

>>140726728
Yup, although the town services only go to +12 for non-warriors and most artifacts are better than that.

But if you find something with low enchantment like Guantlets of Thanos or the Robe of the Kamikaze Warrior you can buff it up at the cost of loads of gold.

Scrolls can still go to +15 too but they get pretty huge failure rates and you'd need to find tons of them.

Unless you're a craft mage and you can just spam enchantment spells in town, or a psion who can go to +20 or +24 or something instead of just 15.

>>140727095
the game tells you the relative cost of leveling the skills

dodging will be cheaper if they're the same level but the cost increases pretty quickly as its level gets higher, so at some point armor will be cheaper

>>140726259
Thanks, survived due to that. I got some ridiculous set like HW, invis and agility

>>140727275
>Guantlets of Thanos or the Robe of the Kamikaze Warrior you can buff it up at the cost of loads of gold

What about Rune Sword?

>>140727469
I'm not sure about runeswords actually, I haven't used one yet.

>>140727404
Welcome to Gozag

In dynahack should i keep playing the tutorial new game when i splat or should i just make a character? also are there good bows in this? i want bows to be good, cause they seem cool, but some kind anon told me its hard to get arrows so i figured a good bow is necessary to make them any good.

>>140727912
Nethack combat is really boring and samey. Practically the best option for almost everyone is dual-wielding, sword+shield, or spamming attack spells.

>>140727912
if you Git Gud enough to reach + beat the quest level as a Ranger, you get an artifact longbow that can create arrows out of thin air.

before that point you gotta save your arrows for special situations though

>>140727469
Rune swords only improve by killing shit IIRC.

>>140728275
that sounds pretty hot. How deep is the quest level? I dont think i've ever made it very far. deepest i've ever been is dungeons of doom 10.

>>140728139
I see. What would be a good weapon for a dex character like a ranger, just a long sword? and should i dual wield or weapon/shield?

>>140726701
They raised the money, paid some developer at least part of it, and then surprise the developer disappeared.

>>140728642
Rangers can actually use bows because of that quest reward, but until then you have to conserve arrows and use daggers(either thrown or in melee).

https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ranger#Strategy
Light spoilers in that section.

>>140728642
>a dex character

it's not like DCSS where some weapons are dex and some are strength

Only strength affects damage, and it gives the same +dam to every weapon. Whether you're bashing monsters with a two-handed sword or throwing a dagger, 25 strength adds the same damage (+6).

Threadly reminder
Put suggestions for new roster members for /vg/ League 6 into this thing: https://www.suggestionox.com/r/vBZZbN
Other links for if you haven't stumbled across this yet:
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_6_Qualifiers
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/

>>140725319
It's one of the easiest race/class combos if you know what your doing. Unfortunately I generally don't know what I'm doing.

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Is there a way to have a tall inventory sidebar without having the actual game screen in the lower left corner? shortening the message window height also shortens the inventory for some reason

>>140732429
Only if you swapped the position of the message log with the position of the game window.

I don't know if that can be done.

>>140732592
I couldn't find an option for that in the menu.

>>140732275
why are there only 12 teams
aren't there like 100 generals on this board

>>140733180
These are the qualifiers for the main tournament here: http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_6
Not every general has any interest in the cup, or even knows about it.

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ay

Should I use a plate mail instead of my blessed rustproof splint mail?

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>delapidated armory on quest level

>>140733730
Lighter Armour = Better in nethack.
You want mithril, then DSM.

>>140733616
Weren't brainworms removed?

>>140733730
Plate is too heavy and not that strong, you want to aim for mithril or dragon scale mail

I'm guessing you're a samurai, so just go to the gnomish mines if you've got a few levels in your belt and kill any hostile dwarves you find (and ONLY the hostile ones) in hope you get mithril.

>>140734203
I'm on 0.17

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haha holy shit
HOLY
SHIT

That was tense

>>140734228
in dynahack there's an armor skill which can reduce the weight of equipped armor and gives bonus AC and MC based on weight

so a samurai with expert armor can have MC2 from plate mail

>>140734228
Oh, and use your bow unless you want to get wrecked by a dwarvish mattock

>>140734560
Really? Has anyone picked it up since the dev left?

>>140734806
>Has anyone picked it up since the dev left?
Nah. It's fine.

This is the last time I eat something without checking what it does in the wiki.

I thought tinned food didn't have any side effects.

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Well, that was fun

>>140735079
what game

>>140735639
rekt

Are dynahack polytraps permanent or single-use-only?

>>140735079
Tinned food is all about the side effects man. It's all about them tinned giants and nurses.

>>140735832
Nethacks, fucking yellow molds.

>>140736676
When I reach that part I'll worry about it.

Also how can I put more points in my skills?

>>140735639
>shock serpents are still satan
Some things never change.

>>140736676
They're supposed to be single use only, but I've ran into reusable ones. It seems to be a bug.
I've also noticed that sometimes you will lose intrinsic protection while retaining the "You are Protected" intrinsic.
>>140736850
^Xs

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Elona is my favorite game of all time.

>>140735639
rElec is arguably more important than rPois for Snake.

I feel like I've singlehandedly filled half of the highscores of dank nija

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an orc randomly generated wearing an "oLS...

or, even worse, it plundered the Mine's End reward

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Oh how about that. Two livesaving on the same level!

>>140739243
>>140739457
not a ruk-like

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>>140740240
>My little ogre can't be this retarded
Aren't there some orcs you should be eating, Gruk? Perhaps your mother needs to have some trees uprooted?

>>140739457
>>140740240

Whenever I get "lifesaving in 'hacks, I always use it to choke to death and survive asap.

>>140740554
>not using AoLS to revive demon lords so you can extinct them

Is there any game like liberal crime squad?

>>140740864
How many times do you need to kill the unique demons to extinct them?
Speaking of which, can you extinct Cthulhu in Un/Dyna/d/etc.?

>>140740906
liberal crime squad

>>140742678

Thanks anon

>>140742732
No problem, I'm here all day.

Caves of Qud on Steam now. Opinion?

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>>140744224
There are many things which need to be erased.

>Kill Combat-Echizen and Fenris Wolf
>Get the Gun 'Crimson' and Harp of Daeron
Ah, choices. I guess I'll have to go with the gun, since the recharge is only 15. Plus +4 speed/stealth? I'm game.

What damage do rockets do anyway?

>>140744224
It's fucking trash.

>>140744995
I think Crimson's rockets do 300.

Help me
I've been rerolling convicts for the last half an hour
just trying to find a sink on the first floor to get a ring of slow digestion so I can finally do a 12 conduct atheist run

>>140745231
Yeah. I phrased my question wrong, I was more wondering about the damage type. Is it fire? Plasma? Unresistable?

>>140745639
Rockets is basically "Shards Ball"
Except it explodes on the first target in its line of fire.

>>140744224
>>140745013

The game itself is great, the development is slow but steady, it has a distinct advantage over the free version by now, and the tiles are subjectively gorgeous.
In terms of features they haven't added that much, but many of the small changes they made did a great job at making the world come to life.

In my opinion, at least.

hi friends! i'm new here but i like to play dungeon crawling rogue games so i think we will get along :)
any tips on how to not die to orc priests? haha smite is op am i right :)

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>>140746726

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>>140746726

>>140746834
>>140746940
What if he has trouble with orc priests?

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>>140747390
>>140746726

Git gud?

I don't play crawl much, but SOP for priests is kite-n-kill if I recall.

One hour.

>>140747625
Kiting orc priests is a horrible idea actually, they just smite you to hell

You look for a LoS break and wait for them to walk into you, then take them on melee. If they don't show up you walk away.

>>140746834
>>140746940
>>140747625
haha i don't entirely understand this fishing meme but i think i like it! :)))
>>140747625
>>140748639
i always try to run them out of mana but i feel like they just never do for some reason! i wonder if it is a bug?

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>>140748639
Pretty much what I meant, sempai, but thanks for reiterating.

>>140748940

>>140748940
In the off chance it's not bait, monsters don't have limited mana on crawl

Played frozen depth for a few minutes, got down to level six before I equipped a bow in order to try out archery and it was cursed. The game seems interesting, but none of the options seem to do much. The stances don't change things enough to bother, the monsters are all solved by pushing through them, etc... Maybe it gets harder later on? Because the only reason I died was because of abject pointless stupidity, and I never even came close to low health before then.

You fucking retards just can't help yourself.
Don't respond. Not even with a bait pic.
Just hide the fucking post and move on.

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>>140749523
Calm down, Rango, place is deader than Osama. Baiting makes things lively.

>>140749523
You're aware you're the only person taking it seriously right?