/evn/ - English Visual Novels

>>137617809
I like that artwork.

>The purpose of applications right now is largely to build a catalog of skilled people who are interested in helping/looking for work that can then be contracted as needed.

dude, people being available and interested today does not mean they will be available and interested forever

there's no point in contacting people if you're not planning to use them immediately because they WILL have different plans in three months

>>137618469
Yeah, people are finicky by nature. There's a chance they won't even be interested in a week, or a couple of days.

Any news about Starlight Vega? I know the backerkit locked down a week after the original planned release date, but I haven't heard about anything else. Also, I checked the Steam Card Exchange, and it's not showing any Starlight Vega cards yet, so I guess they haven't been approved. Unreleased games with approved cards should still show up, like Danganronpa 2 does.

>>137618469
Yeah, that rubbed me the wrong way. I know he doesn't mean it like that but it sounds entitled to other people's time without even telling them the position won't be for anything soon.

>>137619361
>Unreleased games with approved cards should still show up
Not necessarily, my game has its card set approved but doesn't appear in the steam card exchange

The only thing I've heard about Starlight Vega was them updating the page to suggest they intended to release in April sometime

>>137619487

I'm kinda hoping that people apply and when he contacts them, they all go "nah, man. Not interested anymore."

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>>137619562
speaking of cards this game looks much more enticing in its card set than it does in the actual game screenshots

>>137619748
Sprites are cute. The bg and GUI look really boring, though.

>>137619562
>suggest they intended to release in April sometime
So it gets to go head to head with Highway Blossoms, which is also supposed to be released this month. Raithfyre's former project vs. his current one.

>>137620624
Better boring than ugly as fug.

>>137621092
That background IS uaf to me, though the gui is just boring and badly designed (doesn't mesh well with the small text imo)

I think it's actually a japanese creation, though, not an EVN.

>>137620921
blog post:

>Obviously, that makes our mid-April estimated release date impossible, but hey, that’s why we never formally announced it. We’re still not gonna commit to one, but it shouldn’t be much longer; certainly before summer.

That implies they're expecting May more than April for Highway Blossoms.

A Little Lily Princess was also vaguely aiming for April, I think, though there hasn't been any update on that in a while.

>>137621830
Background is ugly, but the GUI feels like it's too big and blocking too much of the graphics.

>>137619748
>curved text box
>uncruved text
Shouldn't it have been obvious that this wouldn't work?

How fast do you expect artists to finish commissions generally?

>>137626216
What was the commission of?

>>137626216
Depends on what it is, really.
Also, if you are going to be wondering this while they work, it's best if you give them a deadline.

>>137626216
Depends on how heavy their workload is and if they state their time limits or not. If they give an estimate then you go by that. If they surpass it and don't notify you why, they are scummy. If they don't list a time estimate, and you're curious, you should ask them. It really depends on how much art they normally put out, how much of a backlog they have, how popular they are, the quality of their art, and various other factors. I would say each different instance will have a different estimate. I don't like putting arbitrary numbers on things like that.

>>137626596
>If they surpass it and don't notify you why, they are scummy.
almost every artist ever, you mean?

>>137626348
>>137626363
I've been wondering since my bg artist is faster than my sprite artist, which kind of surprised me. Maybe they're just busier.

>>137626747
Oh anon, you need to meet some new artists.
...Or just learn to pick the ones who keep in touch.

>>137626747
No, just the scummy ones or the super busy and forgetful ones.

>>137626797
People tend to be harder to draw, because there's a lot less leeway and things need to be just right. Backgrounds tend to either be landscapes – done well when rough and painterly – or architectural, and made of straight lines. A skilled artist can churn out backgrounds quite quickly, but sprites that are churned out will be generic and boring. Well, backgrounds may be too I guess, but that's expected from a background.

>>137626747
These artists are the ones you randomly find at deviantart who aren't even sure what professionalism is.
You should find some who actually have a portifolio of other works and who are not still having their bills paid by their parents. These people will value the work you give them.

>>137626747
A year ago I would have agreed, but I think overall things are getting more professional.

>>137627182
It also really depends on their drawing style and technique.
I guess it pretty much varies a lot.

>>137627283
>Don't you mean 'find someone who isn't a 13 year old drawing cute anime shit on dA'?

>>137627283
I just don't know where to find decent reliable anime-style artists who speak english, I guess. Most art portfolios I run into are painters, western comics, or 3d.

Most companies contacting me offering art services are 3d only.

From the creators of Huniepop, comes Huniecam Studio.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/426000/

>Courtesy Warning: The sexual themes in this game are mostly for fun/humor and don't make for particularly great fapping material.

>In HunieCam Studio players take control of a sleazy cam girl operation. Rake in stacks of filthy internet money and attract as many disgusting fans as you can in this fast paced, click happy and thoroughly perverted take on the business tycoon / management sim genre!

>>137628440
I can't really attest to the reliability of this site or anything, but I've seen it posted around and it might be worth a look
http://www.skillots.com/design?locale=en

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>>137628481
It's an amazing web cam girl simulator.

>>137628918
>Furry
They actually did it. The madmen. Now they just need a loli option and they'd be well on the way to insanity.

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>>137629180
You get the Golden Dildo award.

>>137628918
>amazing
>1 cg per girl (which were already shown as promo material)
>super short; people have already finished playthroughs and it hasn't even been out a full afternoon
>not actually lewd
Nah.

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>>137628918
>no porn because the devs stuck with the art style no one wanted according to their very own poll
>just a cookie clicker game and not a management sim
>less than four hours of "gameplay"

>>137628918
I don't want to call the game lazy but it's not exactly good at anything and that guy doing it has proven he's not incompetent. Anybody got an idea how to describe this accurately?

>>137630224
A cash grab?

>>137630224
Mediocre?

>>137630224
>Anybody got an idea how to describe this accurately?
a businessman?

How hard is quality VN writing as a skillset to learn for someone with no writing experience? I feel like my writing is going to flop.

>>137631071
>No content
>No depth
>Way too expensive for what it is
The word you're looking for is EA.

>>137631124
take a screenwriting course

>>137631124
>How hard is quality VN writing as a skillset to learn
Pretty tough considering that it's an underdeveloped field and there aren't good touchstones for what quality VN writing in English even *is*.

If you have no writing experience at all, you are almost certainly going to flop / be mediocre. You won't be alone, there are sadly a lot of mediocre EVN devs out there, shitting out games without worrying about it.

If you just want to make a game and get someone to play it, put tits in it, AJtilley games get played despite being godawful.

If you really want to improve your writing skills, >>137631685's suggestion is a decent one. Try also writing some very short games and begging for /evn/ to rip you a new one a few times (warning - some feedback will be wrong, but it's better than nothing). You may also wish to try finding an editor to work with, although that's easier said than done.

>>137633678
Awesome, it sounds like quite a challenge. My game is going to have plenty of tits in it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be a lazy and not put some effort into the writing. I'm putting tits into my game because I love tits, not because I want to sell more copies or get more people playing it. One of my goals is going to be showing people that western lewd games can also be decently written. The unfortunate downside to that is many people probably won't even read the text, they'll just skip to the sexy parts. Hopefully someone will appreciate the effort.

>>137633678
>If you just want to make a game and get someone to play it, put tits in i

I feel so lonely with my love for small breasts

>>137635205
I'm a bigger fan of small breasts than I am a fan of big breasts, so there will be plenty of those too.

>>137635205
Fear not! Small tits are tits too. If you focus lovingly on them, people will appreciate.

>>137637945
I've reconsidered and I'll play this if there's a route where I can purposefully let Chloe die and bask in how good it feels to be free.

You can almost feel sorry for firecat.

>>137646526
What's he done now?

>>137646526
i really can't. i do note that papillons IQ level seems to go lower and lower each time she tries to correct him.

>>137637945
Is this worth playing if I've never played the original game and am only interested in it because it's a yuri EVN?

I'll probably try it either way and hope it isn't disappointing.

>>137637945
what is this

>>137648481
I've been told it jettisons most of the game's plot and is just high school pacific northwest stuff, so you don't need to have played the original game.

>>137628918

>the art
>the sameface

>>137651351
you expect more from a little casual sim?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/396860/

Over the Hills and Far Away is on a pretty steep discount this week, if you were interested but not willing to pay more than a couple of bucks.

>>137617809
I'm being a lazy cunt with my VN and I need good character generators. What do?
I already manage music, writing and puzzles so it gets annoying to do too much stuff.

>>137657181
what's the point of a VN whose characters have so little thought put into them that they come from a generator?

or are you trying to intentionally diversify because you keep makign the same character over and over?

>>137659254
From a generator as in a dressup game that doesn't look too terrible.

>>137652395
it's bizarre how every time this vn gets put on sale, someone just happens to announce it in this thread and then talk about how 'great the writing is'

really, it's uncanny. clockwork-like almost

>>137660506
Well this person didn't mention the writing at all, soooo....

>>137660506
Looks pretty good either way honestly.

>>137660895
>Well this person didn't mention the writing at all,
Only +50 Rubles in that case.

>>137661240
>implying this anyone pays other people to shill here

honestly this is a dev thread, and a small one. i dont know why people shill here

> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/igrasilstudio/bloody-chronicles-visual-novel

think it will make it?

>>137660895
'Cause I haven't played it. Probably not going to buy it even at that price, but I hope someone will. Solidarity.

>>137661704
Maybe but I doubt it unless the devs throw in the last 3k or so.

>>137661983
>tfw people won't even buy your game for less than 3 dollars.

>>137662415
I'm just not that interested in the story and I have too many other games to play. I feel bad about not buying it, that's why I'm trying to get other people to go for it.

Is cringing while writing sex scenes inevitable?

>>137663630
No, going by the deteriorating writing as the scene goes on I see way too often, some authors appear to be masturbating while typing.

>>137662894
sure thing bud

>>137664226
>the deteriorating writing as the scene goes on I see way too often
I think it's more that there's only so much you can say before it gets redundant, especially if there are a lot of sex scenes, so they try and pad it out with oohs and ahs.

>>137665583
!!!!

uhhhhhh

OOOO

...

>>137665732
10/10
i came

>>137665732
*splurt*

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Esports Dream VN @esportsdreamvn

New character reveal! SynthA, an international FPS pro, as skilled as she is merciless. http://www.esportsdreamvn.com

best has arrived

>>137666374
>watch esports
>0 girls, ever
Are you even trying to be realistic?

>>137666527
Do you like your yaoi with or without rape, fujoshi-san?

>>137666374
>SynthA
>not SynthiA

damn who left these goons in charge?

>>137666374
I can't say the pink hair stripe is at all appealing to me.

>>137667309
wtf Goon doesn't get revealed until the KS launches, stop exposing our internal secrets

>>137666374
Get rid of that ulnar styloid for the love of god it's all I see now, aaaaaaa

>>137667759
Damn, that really bothers you, doesn't it?

>>137667759
can this be a meme

sc2vn dev make jett make fun of her ulnar styloid please

>>137668119
k

>>137666374
People actually read something like that?

>>137668596
A surprising amount of people think esports are actual sports and worth reading about.

>>137668596
Why wouldn't they?

>>137668904
Real sports aren't worth reading about either.

It looks like someone actually went with DEVGRU-P (Guys behind that tank girl tyranobuilder VN) as their publisher.

>>137666374
>foreigner in korea
>insulting RTS players
the fuck, what other esports are there in korea, league?

>>137675207
twitter says she's a quake pro or something

>>137670776
says you nerd

>>137676439
Say that to my face not online and see what happens

so about Nitro+Chiral BL games...

Why is there weird shit in every fucking game? Being eaten alive, shitting meat babies, etc.

Do fujoshis have crazy weird fetishes like that? If not, why does N+C keep putting that shit in their games?

>>137670776
If we can have anime about playing Go...

>>137677021
Once you get a reputation for doing the weird shit you may as well keep going with it. Some people like crazy fetishes, some are just curious what you'll do next....

>>137677021

I think it's more "N+C's people like weird shit and since they have one of the biggest production values, fujos buy it".

>>137666374
>ojou-sama laugh
SythnA >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jett = Reva

>>137677021
Nitro+ makes games with weird shit so why not do it in their BL games too?

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Well, I was making this BG for an application and my mouse wheel broke about 10 minutes in which made Blender impossible to use D: So I guess I'll never finish it~

---

In totally unrelated news, my sort-of NaNoRenO project was this: http://www.storydevs.com/

It's a website for VN devs to make easy-to-search, nice looking profiles. You can't actually register yet, and there's a fair bit of stuff stripped out, so here's a screen of an older version of the site that gives an idea of stuff I'll be restoring after I unbreak/redesign stuff: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfP0tBOUMAEgAw-.jpg:orig

>>137677482
>game about koreans
>white girl is best

someone call kotaku

>>137677021
It's not that they're into those things specifically so much as liking weird in general.

So /evn/ is dead again...

>>137683257
post your game so we can shitpost about it

>>137683639
n...no.

do the sc2vn devs not do h-scenes because they're all sexually repressed or something?

>>137683639
I'm about to play Katawa Archeology. I'll shitpost about it if I feel like it.

>>137683935
Maybe they just don't want to put them in? I don't have any h-scenes either.

>>137562851

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I think I've just about got the visual style elements of my VN hashed out. Abstract stain glass backgrounds, with flat silhouette characters with a drop shadow to make them pop. The story is a young girl trying to avoid bad ends in a fairy tale world.

>>137684859
my eyes!

>>137684859
I could do the stained glass background, but I don't think the character works well with it. The black of the figure blends with the black of the glass edging, and the bright sat red induces cringing.

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>>137685329
Does something like this read better for you?

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>>137686226
Also colored hair or no colored hair?

>>137686841
I like the coloured hair better.

>>137686841
>ginge
but why?

>>137689602
>not liking red heads
My what shit taste you have grandma.

>>137689780
>liking something without a soul

>>137686226
that green is way too saturated, it seriously is that kind of headache inducing combination of color and pattern. Not good when you're going to put words in front of it.

>>137690119
Wow, you watch south park. Good for you. We are all so impressed by how controversial and edgy your opinions are. Truly you are better than the rest of us for your bold choice to repeat lines from a cartoon that everyone has already seen.

>>137690381
sounds like you have Gingervitis

>>137684859
I think that the black of stained glass is too dark. The contrast is too strong i think but i could be wrong.

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My furry VN is still going strong. Do you consider this furry?

>>137691027
That is not remotely furry.

>>137691027
That's not furry, that's not even full demon, more like half-troll

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>>137691123
Trust me, it's furry. See.

>>137691298
now we're talking

>>137691298

Give him the barbed D

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>>137691629
Well, he does give you the barbed D... but I felt the barbs was a little bit too much... Should I make them barbed?

>>137667759
Now I can't forget it either, thanks.

Please, dev, get rid of the ulnar styloid!

>>137694173
I didn't even know what it was and now it's bothering me too.

>>137691758
N-no thank you.

>>137696962
>>137691758

Yes, I want to see this guy scrub some fuccboi's tonsils with his dick.

>>137697217
Vile.

>>137691758
how big are kaiju penises anyway

>>137691758
What is Junpei doing there

>>137691298
the old art was better imo.

>>137699957
They both look super funky to me, but I'm no furry so eh.

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Good morning /evn/

>>137701835
He's cute.
Where can I sex him ?

>>137701835
[x] grab bag and run

>>137702485
THIEF!

>>137702593
woah woah I'm just disarming a Chinese spy, I mean look at him, it's clearly a pretty girl face mask on his head, but he forgot about his yellow arms and neck

>>137702847
>yellow arms
Can't unsee now

>>137683935
.........I'm actually impressed anon. This is a level of dumbass you don't see everyday. Even in \evn\.

>>137706904
>\evn\
>backslash evn backslash
Look who's talking.

>>137683935
Many evns don't do ero, they don't see how it fits in their stories. Also, many evn artists are from cultures where drawing such things is taboo. There are also many artists who believe that drawing porn would give them a bad professional reputation, so they refuse to do so.

>>137710765
You wouldn't believe the amount of backlash some artists get for drawing porn.

>>137710952
Have some stories to tell? Please do.

>>137711145
I do. But telling them could compromise identity of people who don't want it.
A lot of artists have second aliases to protect themselves from sjw attacks if someone finds out they worked on an eroge. Many don't do any lewd stuff, because they already have been doxxed, or had shit smeared over them.
USA is the worst. Another country with artists who have recently been stopping any porn making is Korea. But in Korea porn has been always illegal. However, many artists assumed drawing nude girls is ok. Apparently it isn't and a few people have already removed their pixiv accounts and started over.
Shit's grim.

>>137676081
That's even more unrealistic.

>>137677021
>Being eaten alive
Need more info. That's my fetish.

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>>137712000
Recommended Lewd English VNs? (Other than KS)

>>137690582
Red hair is sexy. Blonde is dumb unless it's on a loli. Black is too common, all asians, all blacks, indians, etc, but still good. Just the common kind of good. Like those plain white socks. They're common, but people still like them. Brown hair is just... Brown. The dirty commoner hair color. Grey and silver, old and wise, or mysterious. Colored hair, either too animu or edgy hipster feminist. There's really no winning with hair color, but red is probably the coolest color by far.

>>137711473
This. People are nuts. They'll do anything to fuck you over if you don't adhere to their beliefs. Even threaten your family and other vile shit like that. Luckily for me, I'm immune to that shit, so I'll do porn just to spite them.

preventive bump

>>137712138
I'm the worst person to ask since I haven't played many. So seconding this question.

>>137712824
Is lewd martyrdom a thing now?

>>137712000
I believe that's sweet pool.

Any notable nano releases? I've skimmed through the "completed games" section and didn't fin anything interesting.

>>137715373
That VN looks goretastic.

>>137715314
It has always been, ever since ye olden times when whores would be stoned to death.

>>137715314
Yes, you must die for your sins. No one objectifies humans. Humans are not sexual objects. They are pure and must only copulate under a specific set of circumstances that involve lights being off, missionary positioning, and only for the purpose of procreation. Also, it must be off screen and on a weekend. Tits are vile, dicks are vile, butts are vile. We must pretend that we were never born with any of these things. They are all un-pure. You must remove all desire for the opposite sex.

>>137715909
>opposite sex
so it's fine to lust after members of your own sex, gotcha

>>137703912
Thank you. I shall recite this 3 times a day.

>>137716062
Yes, as long as they are your brothers or sisters and it is in a purely non-sexual way.

>>137715390
A bunch of entries are still in development...

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>>137716101

>>137716119
Skinship is just to purely deepen a friendship. It doesn't count as sex if you do it in a shower or in a bathtub, especially if you're helping the other person scrub themself.

>>137717794
That's only in Japan. We don't stand for things like that in the West. Down with all sinners! (Also Japan is a little weird.)

>>137717946
Then it's a good thing that so many evns are set in Japan! Let's set all evns in Japan!

>>137718440
What's wrong with the west? Don't you like your intense violence, sports, beer, guns and overblown drama? Sex is immoral and wrong. Sexualizing things is immoral and wrong. The only things you need to make a good EVN are guns and hotdogs, and CHRIST our lord and savior.

>>137718710
Hi Tao

>>137719303
Isn't Tao sexualizing lolis? He's basically a crazy Japanese at that rate.

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>>137719380
His lolis fall into the, but not too young looking category, so it's OK. And most of his lolis are futas, except for maybe the demon loli from Toko.

>>137719912
Where did this dark eyeball = demon thing come from? I remember seeing it a few years ago from a Japanese artist, and then it became pretty prevalent. Kinda weird that it's so mainstream now.

>>137720165
When in doubt, just assume that Bleach did it first. Any there can be many different colored eyeballs, such as red, purple, or yellow.

>>137720165
I don't really see it that often, but western artists who are not into animmays at all use it too.

>>137720391
Motha fukkin evil ichigo.

>>137720165
>>137720391

Been a thing for literally decades oni-chans.

http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=black_sclera

>>137723806
Thanks, you answered my question. Looks like it originated from the character Astaroth.

page 10

Last VA showcase for Toko. The angel sounds even more annoyingly peppy that I ever imagined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aBeAaB4BWI

>>137728993
Who wanted voice acting for Toko again? Was it that big of a demand from Tao's fans?

>>137728993
It's a good thing that it has VA. The first female character has that sound though... The sound from early anime dubs where they try to use a high pitch anime voice, like they're trying just a bit too hard to sound like anime. Baba Yaga sounds cool. The guy and the second girl sound just alright. The first female voice makes me cringe a bit. That voice is the reason I never watched dubs of anime and always just watched the originals with subs. Now that I rewatched it, the guy's voice doesn't seem to fit the character's looks at all. Second female has a little of that "too nasally animu tryhard" sound, but not nearly as bad as the first female. Baba Yaga is a pearl though, would hire.

>>137729725
On Steam you hear people constantly wanting voice acting, however they can't agree on English or Japanese voices, and the people who wanted it will be very quick to point out if they don't like it. Not worth the cost or effort IMO.

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>>137728993
all shit except for the last one. You'd think knowing how to breathe through your nose would be a requirement for "voice actors".

>>137728993
more like Toko: the reject VAs lol

>>137730040
I think the guy sounds too young for the character he's voicing.

As for angel idol, Tao said she's supposed to sound like that (a bad English dub).

>>137728993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9TNfKKtL0

>>137731567
You can't typically get good VAs for evn money.

>>137733436
then why add them at all?

>>137733504
Public request or you wanting your characters voiced.

>>137733587
And you hire subpar quality workers, waste money and disappoint everyone. Okay.

>>137728993
Klay, Nemmy, and Aces High should probably be tweaked a bit. Aces High sounded too nasally, while the above posts already said what's off about the other 2.

>>137734398
It worked for Sunrider!

>>137733180
>sucking is a stylistic choice! you should appreciate how much it sucks!

It's on the edge of the abyss!

>>137738879
/vg/ is fast today, eh

> give an interview
> literally all the comments are about how it wasn't "fun enough" on my end.

Sorry for being a dev and not a clown, internet people.

>artist emails me asking for work
>provides samples only of 3d rendering of cars

I know you're just spamming every "game developer" you could find, but...

>>137739354

lmao, reminds me back when I was looking for artists.

> mention in ad that artist will be drawing mainly guys
> people send portfolios full of sexy girls
> ???

>>137738946
I guess. It was the very last post when I bumped it. Normally someone else has already bumped it.

>dev contacts me asking for art
>I ask about the payment
>never get a reply

............this shit is getting old.

>>137739778
Could be worse. At least you're not getting the negging type.

>>137739778
>Contact my brain about getting artwork for my game
>Maybe later...
This is getting old...

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>>137740153
Or the ones who beg you to work for free because they're poor Canadians and can't afford to pay you (and the funniest part is that you're a thirdworlder whose day job pays as much monthly as they spend on a single dinner).
Someone, make a VN about a rich western dev adopting a harem of starving third world artists/musicians/programmers, it would be perfect wish fulfillment for many people.

>>137741402
I'm a first world who lives like a third worlder, can I be an honorary third world citizen?

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Opinion time everyone. Which nose type is the most appealing, best fit, cutest, topbest? Triangle/wedge/dot/minimalist nose (right side), or semi-minimalist slightly there, yet still small, but kinda visible nose (left side)?

Personally, I like the left nose better because I actually like to draw the nose rather than just putting a dot or a wedge where the nose is supposed to be. I have a feeling more people would prefer the popular anime style wedge/dot nose though. So I thought I would get some opinions from the 3 people who post here.

>>137742027
The small dot with a tiny bit of shading, even less than your examples but just enough to avoid no nose.

>>137742245
Also your examples look about the same to me, just a different angle.

>>137742027
the boring answer is: whatever fits best for your artstyle. Also I find it hilarious when girl noses are like dots and guy noses are proper full-on noses like they're from two different species or something.

>>137742729
you wouldn't want a girl to look MANNISH, would you?

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>>137742729
you mean like lucid9?

I don't know much about the game itself but I remember always thinking how weird it was that the girls look 12 while the guys look older. Are they supposed to be the same age?

The guys should look just as cuddly and cute dammit ;_;

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>>137742416
Yeah, it was a bad example. I'll find a better one.

>>137742729
My style looks decent with both I think. Dot/wedge nose pushing it more into anime territory and more detailed style nose pushing it into a more western looking style.

Persona uses the more detailed look that I'm talking about. Just a less detailed variant. Where instead of a dot/line/wedge type of nose, you get to see the nostrils and underside of the nose.

Ones on left are slightly more realistic while being simple. The two on the right are the dot style, which is a more cutesy simplistic look.

>>137743891
By the way it's very hard to find examples of the non-simplistic style of nose since the vast majority of people use it.

>>137744356
they're more prevalent in manga and illustration for obvious reasons

Well now that you've made me pay extra attention to noses everything looks weird, thanks assholes.

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>>137745119
>>137742416

Here's an example. Basically just a more detailed nose.

>>137745483
I hate noses drawn like that. They look piggish.

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>>137746135
How about this one?

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>>137747092
ESPECIALLY not that one.

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>>137748036
Interesting.

>>137734962
Not even Tao is that autistic.

>>137740153
Still better than the possing type, if you're not a bugchaser.

>>137743697
Do the noses really look that different? That's close to what I do not like I can draw guys.

>>137752326
I think it looks fine. Guys have stronger facial features than girls, in real life and in animu. Girls are supposed to be cute with huge cute eyes and a tiny little nose. It's pretty much standard to make the noses a bit different. Also the eyes are normally much smaller on guys in most animu. Unless you're watching some kind of sameface animu, but no one watches those.

>>137752579
Yeah it's not terrible by any means, it was just a little jarring when I first saw it. Clearly a stylistic thing.

I'm just upset that if they're gonna have loli looking characters, there's no shotas too okay

>>137753590
EVN isn't ready for shotas.

>>137753713
I demand equality

>>137753797
Create equality, make the shota evn of your dreams.

>>137753590
So you want cute shotas, normal boyish shotas, or cute girly trap-like shotas?

>>137753934
How do cute shotas look if they're not boyish or cute girly?

>>137754060
Ambiguous gendered shotas. Could go either way, but not firmly in either gender.

I'm sorry /evn/, I didn't mean it. Please don't be mad. Onii-chan.

>>137756291
Show your onii-chan just how sorry you are.

>>137756454
*Unzips skin*
Here I come, onii-chan.

This thread has become /evn/ Reacts to Tao

>>137756849
I dunno, I was just talking about shotas, man.

Is it typical to have a voiced narrator?

>>137756849
If more people posted progress or actual discussion topics, then I doubt he'd come up nearly as often, unless he just released a game or something.

>>137757156
Yeah, where's all the progress? For all the not-posting people are doing in these threads, you would think they'd have some progress by now. Well, I guess that's a bad point since most of the progress comes down to writing anyway.

>>137758070
1. Not everyone who comes here is a dev
2. Some people think they're devs when they're really just ideaguys who post hypothetical questions about that project they may start one day, so there is no progress
3. People making actual progress are too scared of big bad 4chan

And then we have the six or seven regulars who are actually making things and posting progress, but this isn't twitter and no one wants to hear random "did x thing" posts, so they only share significant things.

>>137758680
>no one wants to hear random "did x thing" posts, so they only share significant things.

I do. I love to see how people are doing what they do. It's either that or nothing but bump posts and drama or silly arguments, so I say post away.

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>>137758070
H-here I go

>>137759464

It's as generic anime style as they come, but it's pretty cute. 10/10 would hold hands with.

>>137759464
Cute and solid art. It is generic, but generic sells. Looks nice.

>>137759464
Awful. Can't even see her tits.

>>137759832
>>137760301
Generic is the best I can do now. And it's a safe move, people like what they already know.
>>137760683
>her
Anon, I...

>>137761132

> it's a trap

too much Boku no Pico.

>>137761132
Suddenly I am far more aroused.

>>137761224
>>137761254
You guys need to lay off traps for a bit.

Funnily, someone posted the same character I've drawn back in 2013.
>>137640409
There's been a slight improvement.

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>>137761550
More like EVNs need to lay on the traps.

How are programmers doing in the EVN industry now?

>>137762332

Are you trying to bait Tao into promoting your game.

>>137768232
Have programmers ever really been needed in the EVN industry? I mean, Ren'Py makes things simple, and then there's TyranoBuilder now which is super simple if you want a simple VN. Unless you want some complex interactivity in your VN you don't really need a programmer, right?

>>137716119
>Yes, as long as they are your brothers or sisters
Swee-
>and it is in a purely non-sexual way
You lost me

>>137770804
Incest is for rednecks and Japanese people.

>>137742027
Dot noses are boring and just make a face that much more generic.

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>>137771959
What if I'm both?

>>137747092
I hate so many things about this, but not the nose.

>>137776453
What do you hate anon? Tell us. Let the hate revive this dead ass thread.

>>137776253

He prefers Jim Beam in his teriyaki sauce.

>>137776453
Do go on. Tell us everything you hate about it.

Is it worth it trying to learn Unity if I want to make a VN? I've never coded in my life, but it seems more versatile than Renpy.

>>137630224
I wouldn't mind the art style if the management sim part was more complex and fun.

>>137780034
I doubt you're going to be doing anything that Renpy can't handle.

>>137780034
>I've never coded in my life
>Learning an engine that requires a significant amount of programming experience

I can guarantee you that you'll give up the first week.

>>137780231
Unity is easy as fuck. You have no clue what you're talking about.

That said, start with Ren'py. It's even easier.

>>137780703
So what games have you made with Unity?

>>137780821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOh89yVk4hA

btfo

>>137780906
But that's not a VN?

>>137780906
>>137780821
S A V A G E

>>137741402
Not everyone in North America is rich.

>>137780964
Just so we're on the same page, are you saying that it's harder to make text and pictures appear than it is to code a physics-based puzzle game?

>>137780964
You're right, it's significantly more technical and complex than a VN made in Unity could ever be.

>>137769818
>you don't really need a programmer, right?
Well, you don't, but a lot of people read programming and think "oh gross, I'll never understand that".

That said the consumer won't know or care about the quality of your code as long as it runs so you're nowhere near as necessary as say, an artist.

>>137657181
Pls resbond

>>137780703
I know what I'm talking about though, and no Unity is not worth it for starting out. You can't do shit without knowing C#. It's a complete lesson in frustration for someone who has never programmed before, and completely not worth it. Ren'Py does almost everything, and if you really want to get into coding you can use python with it. That said, Unity does have easy Live2D integration and other nice features like the GUI editor. Totally not worth for VNs in my opinion though, especially for a beginner programmer. Even with something like Fungus, which is a free asset for making point and click adventures or VN type games.

The real question is, what do you want to do that you think Ren'Py can't handle?

>>137762332
Will you do her since she's cute with a penis?

>>137780231
>>Learning an engine that requires a significant amount of programming experience
If it's anything like C++ or C#, you can easily make a VN provided you have a well documented library and functions.

>>137781138
I don't disagree with most of what you said. Ren'py is definitely much better for VNs and is what I use. I just don't think Unity is hard, and I don't think you have to be a master at C# to do anything. You can borrow code from a lot of places on the internet to get your character walking and interacting with things.

>>137769568
The text is about a trap, not a futa.

>>137781102
>than it is to code a physics-based puzzle game?
Not him, but I've made platformers and physics based games in Unity by following tutorials. They sucked ass and were lame. Looked about like the game you linked. Overall, I would say those types of games are easier than writing a VN engine inside of Unity.

>>137781373
Sure you have, anon.

>>137781138
>The real question is, what do you want to do that you think Ren'Py can't handle?
I'm the guy who asked the original question. Can it do screen shakes, screen rotations, basic animation showing sword strikes, play sound effects to accompany them, etc. like in F/SN?
https://youtu.be/uWL5QxNoYYc?list=PLeD-vMLfcZUp58yZ60-9W9BpjMEMiJKXP&t=18446

Can it also do adventure gameplay where you can interact with and sift through backgrounds and choices seamlessly? Perhaps with basic animation as well?
https://youtu.be/ap9viVLDKac?t=424

>>137781309
>You can borrow code from a lot of places on the internet to get your character walking and interacting with things.

If you use other people's code or use assets that's not really making a game and won't actually teach you anything unless you're spending the time and effort to pick apart the code and try things on your own. I can link you 20+ good platformer assets and tutorials, yet I can't give you a single good VN asset or tutorial made for Unity. Displaying dialogue might not be hard, but that's not all a VN is. Aside from that, the poster was suggesting that they were going to do more than Ren'Py can handle, which I assure you is no easy chore. You won't be borrowing code for something like that and magically sticking it into a game to make some kind of Frankenstein of code that works. It doesn't work like that.

>>137781753
Yes (it's super fuckin' easy) and sorta yes. You can't have 3D in Ren'py, but you can easily do 2D hidden object gameplay.

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>>137781373
>Overall, I would say those types of games are easier than writing a VN engine inside of Unity.

>>137780703
Code a ren'py clone in Unity then. You can't, because you had tutorials to make those puzzle/platformers.

When you make a VN in Unity, you either buy the buggy Visual Novel toolkit, which isn't even up to par to Ren'py. Only thing left to do is code your own, but if you have no experience with programming whatsoever, guess what you're stuck at staring at Unity.

If it was so easy as you claim it to be, why aren't there more people using Unity then? Please pull your head outta your ass.

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>>137617809
>really liked this game
>really liked dysfunctional systems, if only because the music was chill ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhjDsqjQmI )and the girls were cute
>continuation never

Shit sucks.

>>137781594
I have. I was in /agdg/ for around a year. A complete lesson in utter frustration. I'm more of an artist than a programmer, and that will never change. Though Python was pretty easy to pick up after all I learned about C#.

I've also used other engines... GMS, Godot, Unity3D, UE5, Construct, Fusion, Love2D, and probably more that I'm forgetting. I've made my fair share of games. I don't have an exact count, but I think it's around 30-40.

>>137781787
you actually can take someone else's programming work and sell a game with it
http://www.inklestudios.com/ink
it's open source

>>137781939
Oh come on now. The physics system is built into the engine. There's no built in system for VNs. It's hilariously easy to set up collisions, rigidbodies, physics, movement, etc. Those games are what you start out with. That's why there's a million tutorials for them on Youtub. I'll discuss this with you all night broski.

>>137782069
That's cool, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Unity or VNs since I don't know anything about it.

>>137781962
If I wanted to make a visual novel with 3D gameplay elements, I would.

I suspect that most people making visual novels make them because it's possible to finish one without bringing a programmer on. You need that programmer NOT for the visual novel part of the game, but for the aspects of your game that Ren'py would allow you to do (most likely the gameplay).

And, by the way, people do make VNs on Unity.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yangyangmobile/the-letter-2/description

>>137782438
>And, by the way, people do make VNs on Unity.

You can make any kind of game in Unity if you know how to code.

>>137782840
okay so are we done arguing

>>137782903
btfo

>>137782903
I'm just trying to keep the thread alive yo.

>>137781915
Can you show me some eVNs that reaches F/SN's level of action then (like Kojiro vs Saber)?

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>>137783665

I don't know of any off the top of my head, but I know the scene you're talking about I can explain how I'd do it.

Take a image of a slash or whatever (like what i've attached) and wipe across it really fast with a timed sound effect, you'd also probably want to add shake to the background when the wipe concludes. to do those repeated slashes like in the scene you're talking about, you'd probably want at least 3-4 variants of the attached image, probably with the black part replaced by transparency.

Honestly if you record gameplay footage of any JP VN with fight scenes and take it into video editing software and go frame by frame, it's really easy to see how they make very simple assets look decent. It's all doable in ren'py.

>>137784270
>to do those repeated slashes like in the scene you're talking about, you'd probably want at least 3-4 variants of the attached image, probably with the black part replaced by transparency.
Yeah, that's more of the stuff I wasn't sure if Renpy could handle - slashes and blows in quick succession. I don't know if it can do some of the fancier stuff like in RN where the screen zooms in/out or pans across with fade in/fade out effects either.

Is there a guide how to do this shit on Renpy? Or has no one tried?

>>137784613
The work is definitely out there, I just don't know of any examples I can point to.

Almost anything you can do in a video editor to an image--zoom, pan, wipe, fade, dissolve, rotate--you can do to an image in Ren'py. If you can recreate a fight scene in Adobe Premiere, I can pretty much assure you that it's possible for your VN.

Start here: https://www.renpy.org/doc/html/

And if there's something you want to do that's not here, try the lemmasoft forums.

>>137784613
>Is there a guide how to do this shit on Renpy? Or has no one tried?

Read the stuff at the top, search the Ren'Py cookbook on the Lemmasoft forums, download some source code if you need for some interesting looking games. Google is your friend. There's about a decades worth of tutorials, guides, tips and tricks for nearly everything you'd need, and tons of helpful people here and elsewhere. You could read Ren'Py documentation and guides from now until the day you turn 100 and you'd never run out of material.

That said, Ren'Py still can't do Live2D. Yes I'm going to post about this constantly.

>>137784613
Ask yourself if you need to add those.

Icebound VN has some effects, no the ones you're looking for. Skip around and you can see what it's capable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=athgN9gV0eA

Saving the thread so I have company throughout this long lonely night of writing

>>137791001
What motivates you to keep writing anon, how can you keep going when whoever reads it might not even care?

>>137792582
Do it for your characters. They are alive, they have stories, tell them, don't abandon your children.

>>137792582
The other anon summed it up well. I don't write for anyone but myself. I'm actually using it as an escapism from my life which is currently falling into disarray.

>>137780034
No. The only limit on Ren'Py is your coding ability. Unity also has this limit, the only difference there is that in Ren'Py, the limit doesn't really apply to basic VN-making skills. But HuniePop and Sunrider are in Ren'Py, and an engine which (not being designed for it) can support a tactical game and bejeweled is clearly versatile enough for normal purposes.

>>137796565
>HuniePop made with Renpy
No it's made in Unity

>>137781915
>You can't have 3D in Ren'py
999 doesn't either, it's pre-baked. Which you can totally do in Ren'Py.

>>137796565
>But HuniePop and Sunrider are in Ren'Py
Pretty sure both Hunie games are made in Unity.

Unity basically has a higher skill ceiling at the expense of a higher learning curve. If you want to make anything great of note, then Unity is your best bet. If you want to stick to run of the mill EVNs, stay with Renpy.

who's dead?

>>137802834
David Bowie.

>>137792582
I am, but I've written 26k in the last week, so I think being dead and lazy at 2AM is acceptable.

>>137802834
Guess who's ded
ded again
shady's ded
tell a friend

>>137804969
me

>>137804969
I'm beginning to feel like a ded thread (ded thread)
All my devs from the front to the back nod (back nod)
Now who thinks their artist are good enough to draw cocks? (draw cocks)
They say they don't draw men, anime tiddy rocks

>>137780996
not rich by North American standarts maybe or if they're homeless and living on the streets or something

>>137780996
This is going to sound class warfare as fuck, but anyone who cannot afford basic necessities should have bigger concerns in their lives than getting high quality tits and ass on their game. It's very simple: this is mostly a hobby even for people making money off it, so save up if your personal budget doesn't allow for getting all assets at once or whatever. It's not like the world is dying for your flavor of highschool drama or crowdfunding doesn't exist, too.

>>137741402
Or the ones who think that asking you to work for free on several assets for a Kickstarter campaign isn't speculative work and you should totally consider it because the KS is totally going to go through.

It pisses me off when people message me for this kind of stuff and then reply passively aggressively when politely turned down because I don't want to give them free work for their own project they don't even care enough about to get a part time job to fund.

>>137815706
Preach!

I always wonder what people who do things like that think of golf courses in country clubs. If you can afford a membership and are accepted, you get in. If not, you play minigolf or something else. You certainly don't blame the club over not being able to afford it

>>137792582
I only write because it's fun and doing it makes me happy, I don't really care what other people might think of it.

Who the hell decided boob lens flare was a good idea for a trend? Does it really turn people on?

>>137819449
the what now

>>137820103
Her boobs are trying to escape, someone hold them down

>>137820103
meant for >>137819715

>>137798458
>If you want to make anything great of note, then Unity is your best bet.

I wouldn't go that far. Ren'Py is capable of amazing things if you know python, and you get a super tried and tested VN system with minimal to no bugs and years of support backing you up. Unity hasn't been completely free for that long, and doesn't have the community around it. Barely anyone makes visual novels in Unity. If you're going to learn enough C# to make an awesome game in Unity, you're capable of learning enough python to supplement your VN into an awesome game in Ren'Py. I've seen tactical combat games, space shooters, dungeon crawlers, and more done in Ren'Py. It's just that not many people spend time learning it because they just want to tell a story and make a VN.

>>137820103
it looks like she has 3rd degree burns

>>137820371
None of this refutes the point that Unity offers more potential at the end of the day.

>>137820103
T H I C K
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Tell me not to convince my teammates to switch to Ren'Py because of movie sprites.

>>137820371
>dungeon crawlers
I've noticed there's a framework for that on lemma, has anyone tried it out?

>>137821215
Not for VNs. That's my point. The point is a stupid one. Basically, writing your own engine from scratch offers you many more possibilities than Unity, so why don't you go do that? It's an idiotic argument, so stop making it.

>>137821624
If only movie sprites were live2D support instead.

>>137821848
Not him, but you're acting retarded. While VN-specific stuff might not be as prevalent yet among Unity devs, there's a lot of tutorials, premade content and cookbooks for it already.

>>137822034
Link me. I'd love to see all the new stuff that's out. I use Unity3D also.

By the way, if you think any of those tutorials that supposedly exist will result in as solid of a game as you can make in Ren'Py with a few easy lines, I have news for you.

Let's end this once and for all, shall we?

Ren'Py has the biggest userbase in the West, and that's it. Nothing more. It's not the fastest, more stable or even easiest engine for this there is. It was just there when the scene needed it and now that we're a little bigger, some people are moving on to other stuff to suit their needs. Not everyone has the same needs, and it might still be worth it for people who just want to get their story out because even if they don't want to learn how do anything, there's a lot of people ready to just translate their ideas to code.

>>137822523
TL;DR: Ren'Py is shit

>>137822679
I wouldn't say it's shit, but it is by no means good. It is just the most popular one around.

>>137822523
>Nothing more. It's not the fastest, more stable or even easiest engine for this there is. It was just there when the scene needed it and now that we're a little bigger, some people are moving on to other stuff to suit their needs.

No, let's not just "end this," with your inflammatory post about Ren'Py. It doesn't work like that, sorry. I'd love to hear about those more stable, easier, and faster VN engines. I'm dying to hear about them. But one thing... If you say Unity is stable I'm going to laugh in your face repeatedly until the end of the week.

>>137822887
>inflammatory post
I've seen people call others "Ren'Py defense force" here before as a joke, but you're actually serious, aren't you?

>>137822821
>I wouldn't say it's shit, but it is by no means good.

Stop, just stop. My sides.

>>137822984
I just want you to answer the questions instead of dodging out of them. I don't give two fucks about Unity, I'll use any decent tool at my disposal. You have to do more than shitpost though, or I won't actually learn anything useful. Surely you understand that much through your buttmad.

>Ren'Py is not fast
Yeah sure. No one with any experience would honestly believe that.
>Ren'Py is not stable
Um, blatantly false.
>Ren'Py is not easy
Then don't expect to use anything else other than TyranoBuilder...

If that's not inflammatory or at the least ignorant, I don't know what is.

>>137821952
Been studying it since last Saturday, and I'm already compiling a "how-to" for L2D x Movie Sprites.

I don't know mang, is Tyranno hard to use? Because if I can find a way (or a format) wherein the movie sprites don't look noisy as fuck in Ren'Py, I'd use it.

Are there any japanese releases that use ren'py?

>>137823543
TyranoBuilder is simple to use. The whole engine is based around simplicity. It also seems to receive pretty regular updates. The downside is that games made in it are riddled with bugs, and it's a bit complicated to do anything outside of the super simple drag and drop system the engine uses. Panzermadels was made in TyranoBuilder, and it sold on steam just for the record. It was also a very simplistic VN. TB has built in Live2D support, which is why I almost used it over Ren'Py. Unfortunately, Ren'Py's support, documentation, stability, etc are much superior, and I find the simple code quicker to use than drag and drop stuff. Ren'Py is rumored to be including Live2D support sometime in the future, but at this point it's still just a rumor AFAIK.

Lol I fucked up with the paste...
http://i.imgur.com/5qX4eWe.jpg?1

>>137824140
>[/img][/url]
Am I being rused?

>>137824140
>[url=http://imgur.com/5qX4eWe][img]http://i.imgur.com/5qX4eWe.jpg?1[/img][/url]
yeah, nah