/rlg/ - Roguelike General

anyone else here playing PRIME?

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>>137517727
>>137517918
Yeah, it's the circus animals fork.

2x amphibious=aquatic?!

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>>137520283
I just checked that fork and he doesn't let formicids wear four rings and four gloves.
That is insane and insulting.
0/10 worst fork.

>>137520361
>BLAMING
>THE RNG

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I never realized how crappy Pikel's MR was
>Unknown command

>>137521497
>tengu
Dude, you're completely fucked.

does anyone ever use /poly successfully

i only ever hear about it when it's "Grinder the Hellion" or "Gastronok the Titan"

>>137521617
I killed him in about 4 hits, he's a plain tengu, not a tengu warrior

I didn't get the usual shitload of XP Pikel usually gives though

>>137521693
I poly electric eels whenever I don't have rElec, it has never made the situation worse.

>>137521693
/poly is a meme wand and it will be removed soon
it's only good to grind more XP

>>137518093
Man, the notes for that fork read like a sad joke.

>>137521732
Wow. Tried the same with Joseph while I was getting BTFO with a draining quartestaff and he turned into a spider. A plain spider. He killed me.

That's how the monsters must feel when I play transmuters.

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This does not look good
I just hope this won't be my third splat in the pits

>>137521839
poly is fun when it comes from /random

>>137522093
well i'm sure you'll have no problem if you can ?blink to the edge of LOS and then walk away from the nagas

>Silence
nevermind, What A Noble Sacrifice

>>137522093
>silenced
>surrounded by a bunch of monsters that could oneshot you with that hp even on a 1 vs 1
I think I saw you on xtahua
anyway you're dead

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>>137522405
>>137522458
:^^^^^^^)

>>137522675
Holy christ how the hell did you pull that off that's fucking unreal.

does !cancellation end silence

>>137522842
No idea, but it would've meant death if it cancelled my buffs
What's more bullshit it's that Sil blocks Ru's abilities, so i had to clench my asshole instead of just blowing an apocalipse

>>137523169
yeah duh

that's why you don't read silence there

the enemys' spells in Snake aren't very threatening

>>137521497
Pikel's in no way similar to a tengu, the fuck?

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>>137516873

just holding my loot chest bruh settle down

>>137524746
>ommel blood
That's pretty cool. What stat does it raise if you drink it? Cha?

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>>137521693

>>137524742
poly in dcss is based off of HD

>>137524941
considering thats the high priestess of scabies there I'm guess it will give me a host of horrific diseases?

>>137525234
just do it you wimp
you can pray to seges if shit hits the fan

>>137524742
kobolds and tengu are both humanoid natural races

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>>137525370
I copied my folder just for you anon, knowing something like this would happen.

>>137525663
>savescumming

veronica is secretly the pony poster

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>>137525663
>savescumming

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>>137525797
naw, it was just for fun cause I knew what would happen this time

>>137525663
>everything the ommel produce is good for you
>even their urine and tears
>their blood kills you
what a silly thing.
>you feel a primitive force coursing through your veins
that's endurance.
I guess you could actually farm that by wearing acid resistance and wearing two acid resistance rings and a necklace of elemental protection. That should completely nullify the effects.

>>137526167
-107 health anon

resistance is subtractive and there's no way you can get it that high

>>137520230
Not yet, is it good? Comparable to another RL aside from the theme?

>>137522784
>might, agi, haste, zerk
GULP GULP GULP

>>137525985
>killed by an explosion of a backpack full of gunpowder caused by Ischaldirh the dark archmage while polymorphed into a giant dark frog

>206 points

considering wizmode doesn't end up in the highscores, how the bloody fuck did you end up summoning the worst unique in the game before even reaching D3 of the starting dungeon?
That's gonna be a fun one.

>>137527690
>>/vg/poeg

possessors are pretty sweet

>>137527372
I'm having fun but I'm a badplayer.

I've only gotten to robot town once so far (because the laser eyes psi power is extremely OP and oneshots everything).

I was asking because the OP pic is an anon who won last thread.

It's basically a sci-fi nethack, although there are mechanics that differ between the two.

>>137528225
>polymorphed into a giant dark frog

she found an early book of Scabies, prayed, got a strong polymorph

if you're poly'ed, enemy spawns are scaled to the strength of your polyform and not your base character

Friendly reminder to take regular breaks during your adventures! There is no worse way to die than to die due to silly, tired mistakes

>>137529484
I'll give it a whirl sometime when I feel like it, haven't heard of it before the last thread.

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>>137525663
>savescumming

>>137529730
>taking breaks

Who needs breaks? I have coffee.

>>137529774
This is cropped porn.

>>137530474
It's not porn if there's no nudity.

>>137531172
>not playing a class with detection spells

falut

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>>137531380
>not playing hardmode
Scrub.

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orc general with a +8 mithril halberd one-shotted me in the chest through my +8 valpurium shirt of the jaguar

I just don't even understand this game

I probably had too many scars

>>137532438
wait how is a +8 special material weapon killing through a +8 special material armor weird? Seems like exactly the tool for the job.

When do I stop using an elec whip?

>>137533795
When you find that elec quickblade

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PRIME has a lot of joke enemies

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Ok, this is probably the most ridiculous otabbing spriggan I have ever rolled. I'm literally just a better Vinestalker at this point, and had one of the easiest Spider rune in my life. I thought the early game was gonna fuck me over from lack of arrows (SpHu with a bow, I was theorycrafting some ways to take advantage of spriggan speed + ranged combat and it's weird that spriggans have such a good bow apt so I went with it) but RNG paid off in the end

>>137534389
Do they randomly blink short distances a-la blinkitis?

>The Mi-Go extracts your brain!
>You are now a brain in a jar.
>Do you want your possessions identified?

>>137534763
You should get Repel/Deflect Missiles so you don't get two shotted by stray ruks

Also, weren't spriggans supposed to be unable to lift big weapons? Does it only apply to triple swords?

>>137533430
mainly because valpurium is a lot better than mithril, and he managed to do it in one shot

>>137537614
double swords are 1.5 handed weapons

spriggans have to use them two handed

>>137538241
I liked bastard swords and claymores, it felt more Dark Souls that way

>>137538767
I'm glad the devs didn't listen to people with shit taste like you.

Bring back katanas, niggerdevs.

I was looking for information about how to play Chei ants and I found this

http://mars.kmc.gr.jp/~dis/dcss_wiki/index.php?Formicid%20Fighter%20of%20Cheibriados

Formicids of Chei should be able to wear pretty much armor right?

>>137538767
I preferred it too

Double/Triple swords are dumb

>>137539156
We had an ant of chei a month or two ago that only pumped strength. He was easily wearing CPA and casting pretty easily. Most cheibros can wear anything though. You should be hitting 30 strength.

>>137539971
Me too. I liked the sprites for them better as well.

Name things to do in DDA

>>137540537
die

>>137540537
smash stuff and feel smart

>>137540537
Build a mother base.
Build a metal gear.
Play harvest moon, zombie edition.
Mutate yourself into a furry.
Augment yourself until you're so a cyborg. You never asked for this.
REMOVE ZOMBO.
REMOVE VEGANS.
REMOVE FUN GUYS.
Get bored if you take the game too seriously.

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>>137540246
Is there anyone who honestly prefers right to left?

>>137542815
>tiles
Well there's your problem, bob.

>>137542815
yes triple swords are obviously cooler than claymores

>>137542815
ye.

>>137542815
Plebs. I only wish the ego/artifact tiles for double bastard and 3more's were cooler. People probably prefer double/3 because that is the way it was originally, and its quite a bit more unique. Even if it is really ugly and kind of dumb.

>>137542975
no bully the tiles

>>137539156
I did a FoTm of Chei once.

From what I remember, you're going to want to dig a lot.

If you fight in killholes wherever you can, you should have enough consumables left over to deal with unexpected bad situations.

>>137542815
Look at this anon, not shaving with 5 blades.

Anon, I bet you play filthy knife eared spellcasters.

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one of these abilities is not like the others

>>137545349
>Not shaving with a double edged safety blade
I bet you think your blades need to vibrate too, you dirty double naga.

>>137544240
>Even if it is really ugly and kind of dumb.
You are talking about a game that has floating fetus monsters, upside-down jesters, and a monster that has special dialogue if you are worshipping the crazygod.

>>137545706
Just my shield anon, I love it when it goes PTOANNG.

>>137546132
I know anon. It also has a club that explodes on hit, and a mace that explodes everything like grenades. I know how to suspend my belief and have fun. I still think 2/3 swords look dumb, but its fun and that is what matters.

hobbes' body is pretty good, 2 attacks, high speed, and a surprising number of equipment slots including boots presumably because he's an anthropomorphic tiger and not a regular one.

How do you kill hostile npcs with assault rifles in cataclysm

>>137548165
well since you want to kill them with assault rifles I advise you use them

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>>137548165
You find a silo and drop a nuke on them.

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im gonna do it
im gonna play slex

>>137551095
play prime instead

instead of dying to poop traps you can die to radiation poisoning because one of the unid potions you were carrying was radioactive

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its too late for me

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we all die one day

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well i did the best that I could

segfault

>>137561443
thanks anon that really cheered me up

We should have an IRC or something, the thread's way too dead

>implying the irc wouldn't be even deader

>implying I know how to use irc

>>137564106
>>137564569
>>137564802
>samefagging
ctrl-q, yes, your life.

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>implying

>>137564106
Why don't you make one?

>>137564106
How would that achieve anything? Retarded.

>>137565393
A chat is a different format than a imageboard and a diffeent form on interaction altogether. It'd be a breath of fresh air to the community.
>>137565241
I'll probably do it if I can get off my ass

>>137567187
As long as you're not posting about it here asking people to join, go ahead.

>>137567487
>/rlg/ irc
>but don't post about it in /rlg/
What would be the point anon? I imagine we could just put it in the OP and leave it at that.

>>137567773
fuck off normie ree

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I don't like the fast pace of chat rooms

it makes me feel threatened when I try to say things cause everyone's always jumping to conclusions

>>137568626
Are you saying I'm a talkative bitch, you cunt?

>>137568939
pls no buly

>>137568435
dumb frog poster.

>>137568626
Really depends on how fast the chat goes. I can't imagine an /rlg/ chat going fast enough to bury actual discussion.

>>137564106
Because then an IRC clique would form and infect every goddamn thread with IRC faggotry.

It always happens.

>>137567773
Because it's not an /rlg/ IRC.
Part of what defines this thread is that every poster is anonymous. An IRC with nicks is simply not the same thing.
I just don't want people to come by begging for joins to the IRC when it inevitably fails. Other than that, do what you want.

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Anyone else love to savescum with Gozag shops until you get shit like this?

>>137572786
>savescum
Why don't you just wizmode up all the artifacts anon?

>>137560467
What potion was that? Might help in debugging this.

>>137573910
fountain quaff

>>137574146
Thanks, will look into the function. Maybe I can find out what's going on there. Can you recover? If everything is working, it should put you back no more than 100 turns (timed autosave feature).

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>>137574319
there is no way back

>>137532438
>orc general with a +8 mithril halberd one-shotted me in the chest through my +8 valpurium shirt of the jaguar

I TOLD YOU that the uniques were gonna kick Your teeth in didn't I? But you didn't listen.
No matter what, every unique can and will one shot you unless you haste/slow/run/retreat. You have no idea how much damage the black knight does, the orc officer is basically still in the babbymode realm. The knight does 200 damage per slash.

>>137575198
orc generals aren't uniques anon

the unique is the orc marshall

>IRC
Literally one of the worst ideas in the world
We're already kinda ded right now if we split we'll die completely.

speaking of which, how's that /vr/ thread going

>>137575301
You are right my dear fellow, you are most indeed. Except orc generals are just one step behind the unique and one of the strongest enemies in the game and really strong so I have no idea why you'd think of not doing the whole hastening thing. You pumped your stats and gear too much dude anyway. The orcarshal was around if the general was nearby. They spawn together.

>>137575883
i'm not the one who splatted

i'm just some fucker posting in a 4chan thread about roguelikes

>>137575690
Dead as they get
It got like
Ten posts
It died very quickly for a /vr/ thread honestly it was a little sad

>>137575987
It's alright dude not many people played IVAN so they can't possibly know that
Anyway since this is an imageboard the dude completely faulted by dying a silly unavoidable death with a character he was really invested in will surely read posts tangentially related to him so he can get gud
So my point still stands

>>137576175
>Unavoidable
He could have just walked away. Or, you know, he could have just took a look at the gear of the second strongest orc in the game from afar, since that is a thing you can do, and buff himself before dying a stupid death.

>>137575062
Something is obviously fucked up with the fountains. Just a few hours ago a guy on the server crashed in a very similar way. Quaffed from a fountain, "water gushes forth! etc. Everella drowns. Segmentation fault, core dumped." Seems I never discovered this since I never quaff from fountains...

>>137575883
I had actually already killed the orc marshall in melee and took his magic piss that time, like, way back in UT4

>>137576707
it is hard to test a variant when you add features without testing them one at a time

on that note, many role/race combos segfault on being picked, and picking a JedHumMalLaw segfaults and prevents the game from being started again, "Too many hacks running now."

another question or three: should monsters be able to spawn inside walls or is this a trait specific to F? is there a reason why some floor tiles cannot be moved upon even though they have an object on them, but no monster (tested by "F"ighting that tile)?

>>137576175
>>137576407
Actually I'm now playing even more recklessly than before

I found out you can eat spiders on the world map to train endurance, so things are looking up :3

>>137577143
there's a "trap" that prevents you from moving onto its tile i think

>>137577143
oh, so it seems you got one of the old versions that still have the "missingno bug". That one is OS-specific and happens on some Unices but not on others; I should issue a fix that removes this bug once and for all, but for the time being, try recompiling with the MISSINGNORANGE define set to 2000 (config.h). The default of 10000 can occasionally cause segfaults on initialization.

Monsters spawning in walls: feature, but happens more often with wallwalking monsters (some F can do so).

Tiles not being walkable despite looking like they should be: Try 's'earching while next to one. You'll probably find a "super nupesell nix area", which is a "trap" that simply prevents the player from moving onto it. :)

Still trying to figure out that fountain crash though.

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>>137577223
>this is fine
>I'm okay with this

>>137577772
you don't need arms

just pray for a mistress so she can whip everything to death for you

or talk to the priestess in the starting town for some healing magics

>>137577518
Alright, fountain crash reproduced locally, it seems the "dogushforth" function isn't working correctly...

>>137577364
that is a cool trap i love it
>>137577518
>old versions
unless your master git branch is significantly behind a development branch which i didnt check for then no

you should consider taking that one guys advice and upgrading to NH4s UI
its such a step forward that once you play with it it is hard to play without

After all the talk about IRC, is there a Discord that 's roguelike-themed?

>>137578353
I do not doubt that there is one, though this is likely not the place to find out quickly.

>>137577909
Is a mistress pet the blessed archon figurine of IVAN?

>>137577909
looks like I'm a werewolf forever now

that sounds kind of annoying

I mean I guess I can eat large ommel bone chests and get all my stats up to the hundreds

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>>137578695
it seems lycanthropy is not my only curse

>>137578645
no because blessed archon figurine takes a wish, and is probably much more powerful

mistress pet is just "pray to Nefas without being lawful enough for her to hate you", and the anon in that book just read a book of Nefas so he has the option to pray to her.

>>137578491
I'm not visiting reddit!!11

I'll search for one when this thread dies again.

>>137579015
so instead of searching reddit go ask the ##crawl irc or something

is Ivan beatable
how come I've never seen anyone beat it without savescumming

>>137579204
yeah its beatable

i think i saw a goon beat Oree once

>>137578223
Now, at least one of the potential fountain quaffing segfaults is fixed: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/f2ca9b74b5338cb9263ae6d4af1623ef3f6279ec

>>137578854
yeah guys, I'm not really like, asking for advice, even though I know it makes you feel good about yourself or something, I'm mainly just posting these screens and little descriptions of what happened to provide entertainment and such, and it's nice that you want to help me, but you need to realize that you and everyone else on the planet are incapable of helping me. no one can help me because I flat out just don't listen to other people or feel any respect towards any person

so you know it's fine if you want to tell your own stories or play off the jokes I'm telling and stuff, but I don't really need you in any intellectual capacity, if anything you're just sort of irritating when you try to help

>>137579459
Other fountain quaffing "segfault" also resolved; it wasn't a segfault at all, but the Amy stupidly assumed it was. In reality, she tried to recover a game that was still in progress...

Err. Anyway. Fountains should no longer segfault now. Sorry for the trouble; sometimes I'm really stupid...

>>137578695
Stats boosts get reverted with each transformation!

>>137578695
you can also cure lycanthropy at the new attnam priestess i'm pretty sure

>>137579204
I think someone that's not ponyposter won IVAN some years ago but it was an old version and he ate used the ommel cerum exploit
then again cloning sagas in clivan gives you 100 int so it's the same exploit
we should make a server so people can't savescum and use new Ivan for it so people can't use exploits but that's literally autistic

>>137580563
>Making a server with the latest release of a game is autistic
Are you literally retarded?

>>137580563
also ivan isn't console-based so i imagine it would be much more of a pain in the ass to host on a server

>>137580658
no literally, no

>>137580658
Shut up ponyposter

>>137580693
The github has a Linux version, it's not windows native anymore. Roguenexus could handle it.

>>137580842
that's besides the fucking point
we shouldn't encourage making a server to make sure some autistic manchild can play without resorting to exploits and savescumming a fucking game
holy shit I'm mad

>>137581070
but that was your point
>ivan isn't console-based so i imagine it would be much more of a pain in the ass to host on a server
which was directly addressed with
>Roguenexus could handle it.

>>137581070
Alright first off I may be a manchild but I am NOT autistic. A real autistic person wouldn't have savescummed and accepted defeat. Second, this was just a suggestion. And third, holy shit calm down dude. You're gonna pop a vessel or something.

>>137581204
>I am NOT autistic
A person who wasn't autistic would attach no emotional response to whether or not strangers on the internet think they're autistic, and perhaps silently wonder how they or anyone else would even be sure if they were or weren't.

They then might wonder what autism even actually means and why people are so silly.

>>137581196
Well, I *think * he means that he doesn't "want" people to make a server just so people can play without the temptation of savescumming or using exploits. Which in itself is kind of ridiculous and would eventually lead to the same kind of shitposting we get when someone posts an offline crawl win and says that they must have savescummed.
But honestly? I think he really just wanted to stir up shit using a notoriously easy to pick target. Not that I mind, but I do dislike when we get these crazy fits of shitposting out of nowhere. It ruins the quality of the thread.

Anyway how's the crawl circus animals fork? It looks pretty weird.

>>137581427
/rlg/ is more or less my only source of human interaction, so I do care about thread quality and politeness. Then again, autism is just a buzzword nowadays.

The new hepatitis-k god in trunk dcss is kewl yo

You know the worst thing could be that this is just him responding to himself
what if /rlg/ really is a single person

I mean I know it was international autism day a couple days ago, but it doesn't mean you guys have to fling around the word meaninglessly all day today.

>>137581754
>/rlg/ is more or less my only source of human interaction

>NOT autistic

um

>>137581754
> I care about thread quality
Sure how could we forget when you literally posted pony porn for an hour and reported yourself
sure looks like you love thread quality
you're fucking pathetic

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>>137581754
>/rlg/ is more or less my only source of human interaction

>>137581914
Well, that and my therapy group. Okay.
>>137581954
Can we please stop this? I already said I regret doing that. I was banned and that was it. None of this is roguelikes.

>>137581914
Yea. I've seen an actual real live autistic person on a bus once and he talked to everyone without inhibition. Loners like our friend are more likely to have schizoid personality disorder

is pony porn roguelikes if it's inside Noxico

>>137579921
>if anything you're just sort of irritating when you try to help
Not that I've ever tried to post any advice for your benefit, but I feel the same every time I read one of your posts.
>>137581647
It's fucking terrible. The movement makes no fucking sense. It's squareLOS with diagonal movement penalties and a momentum system which penalizes you for turning 90' or stopping between moving. Everything about it is retarded, but it's better than SLEX- at least!

>>137582070
>schizo
That would explain why it feels so natural for him to shift between several personas

>>137582070
I have an extreme narcissistic personality disorder that causes me to divert all feelings of disappointment onto society itself, and I sometimes envision that I have the potential to become a figure similar to Adolf Hitler

then I play roguelikes and try to dissociate myself from my extreme desire to cleanse the earth of it's filth.

I wish Hitler was still around, I feel like we'd really "get" each other you know?

>>137582145
>Not that I've ever tried to post any advice for your benefit, but I feel the same every time I read one of your posts.
yes but you have autism

you feel that way about almost everything

>>137582087
I'll read your post if you post about it yea

>>137582239
>I wish Hitler was still around, I feel like we'd really "get" each other you know?
me and you or you and hitler

>>137582145
It seems that every single person who actually likes playing IVAN and its variants ends up becoming an insufferable douche.
That said, veronica is a little bitch.

>>137582385
i've never played noxico i was just shitposting

>>137582239
Ingenious, but now you're just plain shitposting.
Also, CLIVAN is a babby variant.

>>137582401
I've never played IVAN though, don't worry about that.

>>137582401
I believe the word you're looking for is "lovable tsundere neko-chan"

>>137582145
There's heaps of cow shit that are better than slex.
Most of them, actually. At least those serve a purpose.

>>137582497
>implying I was ever not funposting

>>137582589
Slex does serve a purpose though.
It exists to endlessly baffle.
I remember a couple dozen turns after stumbling into a trap of some kind or other getting the message: "You no longer feel confused."
No SLEX, no. I'm still incredibly confused.

>>137582589
There are actual heaps of shit in slex, and it's possible to die from stepping into them.

>>137582721
I just wish Amy would just win a regular game of nethack. She wouldn't be able to clean her social stigma, but it'd be something, by god.

It's been weeks since new IA was uploaded
Where's the vod Dicks
Where's the vod
Have you forsaken us
Have we strayed from your glorious path

>>137583037
fuck IA, it's been MONTHS since the last mumo vid
new mumo when

>>137583120
The only MuMo we have tries his hardest to suicide in lair
MuMo is old and busted, we need a new challenge
I already tried to push foodless vampire convict in dynahack but with poor reception
I did have a lot of fun playing it though

>>137582000
Y-Yeah! What a w-we-weirdo!!

>>137583613
>we need a new challenge
The challenge is to play roguelikes without shitposting.

>>137583649
I'm just joking anon it's okay, I'm sure you'll get better when you're ready.

Anyone else remember the glory days of Crawl, back in 6.5 or so, when rolling Mountain Dwarf Fighter was the only option that didn't earn you massive respect for a successful run? Shit's gotten so easy now I had to stop playing; and for every new item/enemy/whatever that gets added the devteam strips 3 things out in return, then removes 1 more mechanic to make it even MORE streamlined and simple to appease the speedrunners.

>>137583657
anon why do you always need other people to act a certain way for you to be happy?

why can't you just be happy?

>>137584863
back then they used to consider the game unwinnable without spoilers

>>137584895
anon why do you always need other people to play a certain way for you to be happy?

why can't you just be happy?

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what could pawsibly go wrong? :3

>>137585105
thats a different anon I think, I actually have no problem with other people playing however they want as long as it's fun to them

I do think that maybe savescummers should try Elona+ though! it's a really fun game and I like it a lot :3

>>137585167
You could get killed by hard dudes wearing bucklers.
It can happen man. I've seen it.

>>137584974
It was glorious. Shit was so hard. Every time I got even up to level 13 or so it felt like a glorious victory.

Now I win and it's like "meh, that wasn't too hard". Even doing ziggurats or wandering Pan (oh wait, they just removed Pan, didn't they, can't have anything that those speedrunners won't use) is hardly life-threatening.

And the current array of options for player characters might be unique compared to other RLs, but a lot of them just feel wierd for the sake of being wierd.
>yes I am STILL rustled about dwarves getting removed, fuck the devteam

>>137585321
They removed Pan the unique as in the goat dude.

>>137584863
>>137585321
I mean, I think Crawl has gotten easier recently.
But I think a lot of what your guys are experiencing is just because you've gotten better.

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Hador pride worldwide

>>137585597
>5111
>Im drunk
>250' surrounded in a corridor
It checks out!

>>137585394
no the game really is piss easy now

you have to intentionally make bad choices of race and background or actively handicap yourself a la MuMo for it to be hard

back then it was hard to even win at all, unless, UNLESS you were a mountain dwarf with a dwarven axe and a full suit of dwarven armor and a dwarven crossbow with dwarven bolts

>>137585394
Nah, I took a break from Crawl for at least a year, probably close to two, having never managed to get the orb because [refuses to read spoilers].

Decided to download it again a year or so ago and my second run got me the orb despite being totally out of practice. And then I kept getting it, regularly and consistently. It wasn't the same game that would kick my ass with a grin: most of the dick moves were gone, dying from starvation was something you'd have to purposefully be trying to accomplish, even as a spriggan, and the enemies were easier with a more gradual difficulty curve instead of the sudden difficulty spikes that would catch a newbie off guard which you'd find at certain points in earlier versions.

>>137585707
You remember when Sigmund wasn't just a slightly tougher named mob, but the fucking scourge of lower-leveled characters with the most kills to his name of any mob in the game?

>>137585917
It's still like that.

>>137585394
Go read the devblog. Underneath every post for at least the past year are 10-20 replies begging them to not cut still more things from the game, demanding a reason for why the latest batch of cuts is happening, and pleading for them to quit making it easier.

>devs give no fucks and carry on with the madness

Honestly curious as to why I don't see more posting of old crawl stuff since there seems to be so much nostalgia about the versions with MD, SE etc. Why don't you guys just play those versions?

>>137586112
That has approximately nothing to do with the game being easier.

Where is the danger in a regular 3 rune DCSS game now? I've only been playing for a week after a 2 year break, and everything seems to have been fucking babby-proofed.

Absolutely no fear of fire and ice, just rock right in and keep all my emergency scrolls/pots.

Oklob plant in view? Used to be a fucking no-go for me, but now, I just go barrel-assing in and tab the fuck out of it, even on frail mages.

I get that item destruction, corrosion, and permanent malmutation were all kinda shitty to deal with, but at least they made me just a little bit smarter.

>>137586028
Anon pls. Modern Sigmund is easy to shut down with just about any wand, potion, or scroll you might have. Gone are the days of desperately burning a wand dry against him and watching him inexorably advance to your doom.

>to be entirely honest, with the changed rules in consumable destruction and consumable weight--before, fire could burn your scrolls and ice could shatter your potions, and a huge pile of consumables would add up weight fast, so managing your stashes was a LOT more strategic--I don't know why they don't just make everything into wands because hey, they sure love to simplify and there's barely any difference as it stands

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>sling
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>137586250
I'm also complaining about the simplification, and was doing so prior to that post.

If you consistently have people asking the devs to quit making the game easier over the course of a lengthy period of time, complaining that the game has gotten less difficult with recent versions, that would suggest that there might indeed be a lessening in the difficulty of the game. It's not just me and another few anons here, a lot of people have seen this and dislike it.

>>137585707

>MuMo for it to be hard

The godless/armorless meme conduct /rlg/ likes to throw around, perhaps. A regular MuMo with a god isn't a difficult choice by any means.

>>137586623
Yes but cutting content != reducing difficulty. Cutting can make a game easier, harder, or have 0 effect on the difficulty. You should probably have been more specifiic.

That said, do you play crawl anymore? If so, what version?

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>>137586627
>meme conduct

>>137586989
I'm sorry. Years away from the tender arms of /rlg/ have jaded me.

I'm a genius
>we don't sell to your kind here
>UNLESS you push this rock in front of you so I can't recognize you.
also
>dark lady
I hope he means I'm a vampire

>>137586483
Can you throw your ball with that?

>>137586897
I finally threw in the towel when I saw the 0.16 changelog (believe it was that one, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong version). Among other things, the switch to everything being done as square-only rather than circular (for spells and other such things) really stuck in my craw as their rationale when met with a lot of flak about it was "well it makes the game simpler!" As well, it was continuing a trend I'd been following for many months of removal, simplification, and lowering the difficulty. At a certain point that has already been reached, it feels dishonest to call the game Dungeon Crawl.

Crawl was the only RL I was playing at the time, and I actually popped in the thread to see about finding one that was similar to the old Crawl: more difficulty, much more complexity.

Is One Way Heroics still okay to discuss here, or is it too casual for the likes of /rlg/?

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>>137587332
>Can you throw your ball with that?
no, it's not even good for that.

Also the curse is acting up again.

>>137586897
desu he was pretty clear that they're doing both

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Ah damn
Why did I move towards that floating eye

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Grabbing this off of github still compiles easy as pie.
>>137587342
You're probably looking for a 'hack then. Could also try IA/Brogue but they may be too "light" for you. Good difficulty level, however.
>>137587412
OWH is great.
>>137587418
I can't really tell anymore if people are just bitching about removals. He never explicitly said anything about difficulty >>137586112 and it just sounded like the stuff I read every other thread.

>>137587530
>Running into an e
>As a race with infravision
>And with a lightsource
FAULT

>>137587686
>He never explicitly said anything about difficulty
hmmm
>>137586112
>and pleading for them to quit making it easier.
hmmm

>>137587686
Yeah, probably best that I give Nethack a go, it's frankly a bit embarrassing that I haven't ever played it. Thanks for the suggestions.

>>137587702
Yeah, but I really think they should tone down the paralysis. One wrong keypress and you've got 1d100 paralysis going on.

>>137587954
or add a button that just automates boring exploration and stuff right?

>>137587871
Ah, my apologies then. I'm tired.

>>137586627
Regular MuMo or anything Mu (except .5 and earlier MuSu of siffon de mana) is quite hard

>>137588371
well, unless you play a jew

>>137588661
Getting it past early game is hard, moreso with Mu because Mu sucs dick at life.

>>137588371
Won't argue with you that Mummies are a harder race than basically anything else you could choose that's not gimping yourself with a strange playstyle.

However, I firmly believe that with thoughtful playing based on what's been given to you by the time you find an altar or your preferred god, MuMo is not a terribly hard choice. The two * in piety can be very strong depending on your god of choice, and there's nothing stopping you from using that rare, but possible, badass whip/dagger of electrocution you found instead of your crumbling, bandaged fists as a MuMo.

On DDA, if I stick a solar panel on a vehicle tile that has a roof on it, will the solar panel still charge like normal? Or will the panel be "under' the roof tile, preventing it from working? I don't have enough panels to do it yet, but I'm wondering if I'm able to stick solar panels all over the top of the RV i've fixed up.

And somewhat related, how do funnels work on vehicles? Is it like a funnel on the ground where it has to be installed above a water tank to transfer rainwater into it, or is it like a solar panel and I can just stick as many I want wherever I want and they just fill the tank? And like my initial question, I'd like to know if funnels work with roof tiles or if the roof blocks it.

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Oh wow, that's shitty.

>>137589131
Forgive me for asking, but...
What game is this, and why would you wish to genocide shopkeepers, and what I can only assume is yourself? (@).

>>137589265
I thought @ killed all humans. I'm a vampire. Completely different.
It's dynahack.

>>137589347
Thanks, I figured it had to be a Nethack fork based on the layout. The 'mobaxterm' in the window name threw me off.

>>137588987
You can put panels everywhere and they will work. Not sure if your funnel has to be over a water tank.

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>pray for food
>lol nope god is displeased
>wait until I'm faiting frequently
>THOU MUST RELEARN YOUR LESSON
>die
>find out my magical boots were
>boots of speed of displacement

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>can you leave your pickaxe outside
>can you also not enter, you're like, a convict and I can see that
Nah

>>137589525
Unfortunately the prayer system isn't complex enough that god attitude times out faster in dire need.
Are you still trying foodless?

>>137590080
Yep
Tourists were too easy so I thought I might as well try the hardest class and slap in foodless, vegan and vegetarian while I was in.
Vampires are great for foodless in the mid-lategame, but earlygame is awful.

>>137590153
Have you won a tourist?

>>137590186
almost
I got killed by one eyed sam because I tried to steal from his shop

>>137590230
I almost won an Archaeologist.
Accidentally sacrificed to the wrong altar. Still got top 10 on the server funnily enough.

What's the most fun version of ADoM? Archives say prerelease 5>1.1>any other version but I can't find either of those.

Also, I'd like to play the same version that allowed the Troll Archmage ascension that is sometimes mentioned but I'm not sure what one that is.

>finally seems like I'm surviving in IVAN
>can't buy anything in the shop in the new town
>I guess I need to go pick up some more of that loot in that dungeon I just made it through
>keep seeing messages about some sort of religious fanatic singing
>get exploded before I know what happened
>"high score" list says I got blown up by a veteran kamikaze dwarf
c-cool game

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>>137591339
The archives are right because I said so and I am always right!
No but seriously all versions are good. I've won the troll archmage in the latest prerelease that was available at the time, which was about 65 or something. It's way easier in pre5 because they didn't nerf the herbs, but that's kinda cheesing the game. I think I approve of this new method.

>>137592098
oh wait, my bad, it was P60
Right, it was the public release yes
mmh
yes it's the only one that gives that good old ascii feel without the tiles getting in the way.

yeah apparently now that he released p60 as public, there's no torrents for anything newer
I'll grab the changelog to see if there's anything interesting but I don't expect to be surprised

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>check the changelog
>- Task 3429 - Prepare ADOM press kit

Oh great the ADOM press kit
what's the adom press kit

>The Creator
>For 2016 we are going to use a PR agency in order to move ADOM more effectively to the main stream.

You know what
I don't wanna know anything more about ADOM anymore

I'll just forget it never existed

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> Task 4003 - Adjust sexist remarks

>DOM recently introduced unintentional sexist remarks. The "bitch" references should be exchanged for something else.

>>137592398
hue

people are so easily influenced and manipulated

does no one starve for their art anymore? no of course not that won't get you awkwardly pierced hipster poon

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>>137592668
this is what paying for roguelikes gets you anon

>>137592615
I thought you were tricking me
But it is for real
I dont know how to feel

>>137592718
you should feel betrayed and sad

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>>137592398
>you feel sad for a moment

Roguelikes were never meant to be "mainstream".
The whole achievement thing in adom is stupid.

>>137592715
honestly the skill bar is the most disgusting part of that image

>>137592715
>tfw you still got to [kissher]
Sexy Slime Shota does it again

>this discussion again
>yet again

Sometimes I ask myself if ponyposter bought a 4chan pass or something. Nigga, if you have problems with people making money off their work, you might as well be angry at the whole fucking world.
What the fuck is your problem?
I don't fucking get it.

>>137592909
>I hate options!
t. dcss

>>137592950
>What the fuck is your problem?
I don't think that reply could fit in 2000 letters.

Found 1.1.0
http://www.adom.de/adom/archive.php3

BUT THEY'RE RUINING OUR GENRE GUYS

>There is a new way to please the cute little girl and her puppy dog.
I thought ADoM was supposed to be boring.

I'd pay to play Sil desu senpai

>>137593129
>Sil desu senpai
Is that a new fork?
>>137593126
>There is a new way to please the cute little girl and her puppy dog.
Are you playing a pedophile?

>>137592950
it's probably the aggressive back-handed tendencies of large corporations that seek to appropriate and commodify every existing thing for a population that doesn't actually want to purchase anything and grows increasingly less materialistic and more cosmopolitan in the midst of an information singularity, disarming the old methods of coercion such as nationalism, conformity, and dick-waving.

there are people who don't even want their dicks anymore!

THEY DON'T EVEN WANT THEIR DICKS

which is to say your hobby is literally under attack simply because it's free and you don't spend enough time spending money or working

>>137593313
>THEY DON'T EVEN WANT THEIR DICKS
THAT'S ABSURD
EVERYONE LOVES DICKS
HE'S A LOVABLE SCAMP

>>137593350
He is a spic.

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>>137593234
No, just a joke about an old ADoM pastebin.

>>137593423
I knew Biskup was a pedo, but I didn't know he was also a zoophile.

>>137593407
Olè.

>>137593468
>Olè.
>Olè
>è
I'M SO FUCKING TRIGGERED.

Listen I know my posting gets out of hand, but what happened to ADOM is that I get angry because I used to love the game. Hell, I still think it's good.
But jsut like Qud became a piece of shit after they saw they could make money out of sproggiwood and then shove an electrified rod up Qud's ass to make it just and say it was resuscitated, ADOM was a good game that had done its course and then was brought back from the land of the dead with the simple intention of make as much money he could out of it.

I'm mad at that. I'm sorry I keep shitting up the threads for this reason, it just makes me really really really mad.
Sorry.

I'm going now.

>>137593549
Olë

>>137593003
I hate abstractions upon the simulation more than anything else to be honest

there needs to be a game that has brutal, merciless math bound to the laws of thermodynamics, completely hidden from the player as they desperately try to navigate their bumbling rogue through a realistic dungeon without the aid of any sort of menus or text other than what you can have your dude literally read with his eyeballs in game.

just you, your controller, and a dude, when you open your inventory you have to actually watch him stop, drop his pack, and go about actually fucking organizing it with his actual hands like some sort of brain destroying mash up of qwop and an old sierra adventure game

>>137593642
>Olë
Literally having an aneurysm.
Learn to olé

>>137593720

olὴ

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>>137593685
So, you want incursion?
I never get to post this one

>>137593937
>Incursion
brotitude

>>137593937
>you are threatened
yeah, that screenshot is fucking scary.

>>137593937
>tfw too stupid for Incursion
I just don't get it, even with babby mode wild shape druid the furthest I got was D:4

>>137594279
You must pursue the path of gud

>>137593937
that is literally the exact opposite of what I want

like the thing I dislike most about brogue is that it has -words- in it

it doesn't need words

they could have done it with just symbols, colors

no words at all

>>137594351
I just want to be an awesome roguelike wizard, how do I stop fucking kobolds and shit brutalising me with bolas? (bolases?)

>>137594415
oh yeah I just re-read your post
that would certainly be interesting and nobody would ever buy it

that means it's prefect for open source

>>137594614
>how do I stop fucking kobolds and shit brutalising me with bolas? (bolases?)
dude, incursion is re-dead.
there's no real reason to play it.

>>137594645
that's the thing, everybody would want to play it

>Dude you can literally fuck things in this game
>There's no limit on what you can fuck
>if you enter the correct commands to pull out your dick and go into first person fuck mode you can do it anywhere
>I fucked my dog in this game, it felt like I was 12 years old again, it took me ten tries just to figure out how to line it up properly
>then I ate bread, and I had to actually dig it out of my bag and rub butter on it with the control sticks so my character wouldn't get depressed
>It's like Sword Art Dog Fucking the game

everyone would want to play this game, where the only limitations on the application of it's mechanics is your own imagination and the content and boundaries of the game world itself

literally zero scripted content

people would shit their pants and say it's more dark souls than dark souls

>>137595002
So basically you want a dungeon explorer oculus rift+ the sims management game, singleplayer.
I don't see why anyone would ever want to do that. I mean, you can eat butter already without, you know. A game for it.

>>137593937
This post made me check Incursion repo. Now I'm sad.

>>137595104
a. because art imitates life
b. because life should imitate good art
c. the things people want to escape from in life are things like consequences, mortality, the limitations of their own flesh, their disabilities and disorders and weaknesses and instabilities

nobody wants to not have to eat things that taste good, because that is great

they'll see their dude eating bread with butter and be like you know I should have some bread and butter, and then they'll do things they can't do in real life like making a strange noise to draw attention, and hiding around a darkened corner to stab a goblin in the neck

what you think is that they only want to do things that exceed the boundaries of their reality in order to escape, but they actually need a deeper level of verisimilitude to draw them into a more intricate fantasy, woven into a truly believable reality, all abstraction stripped away aside from the interface of the player and the game itself.

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God fucking damnit.

>>137595617
>verisimilitude
is that a word?

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>>137595937
Oh well. I shouldnt have put xp in Perception to open that chest. Whats a good minimum Will to resist draining? I had 4 when that wraith drained me to oblivion

>>137596523
yes. perhaps you should look it up. it's not an uncommon term in literature or cinema.

>>137596945
I think I've read it in latin sometime in school but I've never heard it in English.
I learn so much in this thread, about language; about autism; sometimes even about roguelikes!

>>137597030
even smart people have bad hobbies like 4chan

hey are rouge-lite discussions good here too?

>>137519805
>pink windows theme
London?

>>137568626
This thread could make a good irc channel.
Also who the fuck puts their signature on ohayou edits? Fucking scum.

>>137593685
t. idea girl

>>137594415
Hieroglyphics has no words in it.

I don't know how good it is it whether it's worth $10 though.

>>137605690
Hieroglyphika*

stupid phone

>>137595937
haha I literally got in that situation last week with an edain
the solution might surprise you
just walk away

Is there any rouge like with post-apocalyptic setting?
I wanted to try
Cataclysm DDA but the description and pastebin shat on the game so hard that i changed my mind

>>137609792
Caves of Qud, but it's really not your standard post-apocalyptic setting though.

>>137609792
It's not that bad, I'm almost 99% sure there is a mod to remove the meme shit or at there very least there used to be for older versions, admittedly I haven't played it in awhile so I wouldn't know if there is one for the current version.

The mutation and cybernetic systems are pretty good as well as the crafting elements, so it's at least worth giving it a go for those alone.

CoQ is great and it calls itself post apocalyptic, but it's still low fantasy at the same time. It's more like an adventure than it is survival as food and water is extremely easy to come by unless you want to fuck around in a specific biome. There are two versions, the free one that is much older and the new one which is on steam and pay to play, they are both the same game except the pay version just has more stuff and is general;y more polished. I've yet to play the new one so idk if it's worth it.

what do you do about flamethrower assholes in PRIME? They do a ton of damage, melt all your floppy disks, and often seem to refuse to run single-file down a corridor at you.

I guess you can just drop all non-"emergency" floppies on the stairs before going to a new level but that seems tedious as hell.

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>tfw cant walk away from archers
Also didnt find a single pot, RNG pls

>>137611368
What you suggested is really all you can do. It helps to pick up a flamethrower yourself after you kill a group.

all the upstairs on d:8 are carefully guarded by erolcha, a two-headed ogre, and a gargoyle fighter ghost

do I even have a chance

>>137612314
Do you have tele?

>>137612838
i have a deck of escape

i did find a teleport scroll but I used it on the floor above getting away from an unseen horror

>>137613221
wait nevermind

i drew it on erolcha and i got an out of deck cart: pentacle and it summoned two pan lords that immediately beat the shit out of her

praise nemelex

>>137614090
You should have taken a screenshot

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What should I pick? It's one of my first three or so POWDER games. I'm conflicted because I wanted the barbarian god. I started with rogue stuff, then learned magic missile from my starting book, and THEN found a +1 mithril chainmail. No idea of what to do now, but I'm going crazy if I don't get diagonal movement.

>>137615546
True barbie is doable and a great build, but IMO, powder is better when you play a mage warrior. Xom has the best stat growth, just you need to learn to please all gods. Oh, and you'll learn to hate pax and the ranger one to whole new levels ;D

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I avenged you my poor edain.
Would be nice to find some ego weapons now.

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There we go!
That's my nigga Tymora!

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So this quokka is just a prank bro and i cant kill him?

>>137622697
Why would you want to kill your little dog?

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And that's what happens when you tab into a minotaur thinking he's a hill giant.
The ring was slow digestion, too!

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>>137623045
Old Quokka was cuter tbf

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>>137622697
>>137624771

>>137624934
Act -> Pet

>>137624934
You're a monster, goatposter

>>137625050
The quokka has been pet.

>>137625113
The only monster is my boner for shotegote

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pssht
its nothin personnel kid, i just dont like pranks

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>>137624771
>>137624934
Why are they so mean in this game, look at how cute this fucker is

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>>137625819

>>137593407
Mexicans are spics, mexicans are spaniards' rape babies.

What a noble sacrifice!

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awoo

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>>137635016
gaoo

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i dont get the hype

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okay that is pretty good