/rlg/ Roguelike General

>>137176226
>>137176494
Press "/" you nignog, otherwise the skill distribution will revert to whatever it was before

>>137176697
no dash in the thread title

not a real roguelike

>>137176935
>no dash in the thread title
>>>/mlp/

>>137176884
auto distribution just changes the percent of xp given to each skill

ones that are turned off still won't be trained

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>>137176884
K.
So, what if I train short sword, hexes and stealth?

>>137177127
don't

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>>137177219
k

>>137177343
good boy mumble
read the pasta while you're at it

>>137177343
You are now better at skilling than 65.7% of new DCSS players. Congrats.
It is handy to know that every 2 levels in a weapon skill(besides unarmed) reduces the time it takes to attack by 1 aut(0.1 turns). Generally level up weapon skills in units of 2 until you reach "Mindelay".

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>>137177413
K. here goes the third read.
>>137177603
Thanks.

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So, kobolds are dangerous for the moment.

>>137178069
>full mana

why aren't you using the evil magics

put that kobold to sleep and then stab him to death while he's helpless

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>>137178196
I do now.

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For an enchanter vampire, (S)trength, (I)ntelligence, or (D)exterity?
If I understand well, I'm suggested by the pasta to go for strength to got for the "killdudes" skills.

>>137179568
1 point of strength now, then dex until 20 or so. Then consider more strength.

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>>137179659
Thanks.
And transforming into a bat is any good?

>>137179813
Batform is crazy fast.
It's great for running away from shit, but it is obscenely fragile.

>>137179568
As an enchanter, your killdudes depends more on int and dex than strength

however it's generally wise to have at least 8 in every stat in case they get temporarily drained by an enemy

>>137179895
Neat.
>>137180029
Oh, I see.

>Go back to playing a char i had parked
>Splat ten minutes later
mega fug

new vampire conduct for DCSS
level up until you get batform
from then on go batform only
dive and worship makhleb ASAP
spam minor destruction only to kill all the dudes
win

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>>137181251
K.
So, in D2 I'll wander as a bat.

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>animal activist kills wild animal after realising how dangerous wild animals can be

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So, according to the this, the cursed mail melds into my tiny fragile body. It hurts.

>>137181859
>elven

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>>137182009
Elven is bad?

>>137182397
No, it just means you're playing an old version.
I think it's 0.13, but I don't play much DCSS, so I'm not sure.
Current stable version is 0.17.1

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>>137182540
Well, I won't see that cursed elven mail for a while.

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IT BEGINS
BRAVO NOLAN

>>137182957
Good luck fellow vampire.

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FUCK YOU GAME

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What wonders could there be behind this door? The world may never know.

>>137184056
lmao

>>137184056
AKTIVEr

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rip in piss

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Ha, trunk has acid bolts as one of the effects of minor destruction. Isn't it one of the effects of major destruction too?

>>137184883
Who the fuck goes Makhleb anymore?

IT'S [CURRENT VERSION]

>>137185019
Upsetting meme post.

Vunp

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In what you base to name your characters guys?

>>137188143
I tried to name them something original at first, but now i just write whatever mumbo-jumbo that sounds vaguely like a name that's passing in my mind at the time

>>137188143
First thing that comes to me

Anons why would you tell a new player to train short blades 100% on enchanter, he's not gonna know how to energy scum

>>137188143
My nethack characters are just named after slamming the keyboard a couple times.

My *band characters are puns based on race/class.

My IA characters are named Logan if War vet or Geb if Ghoul.

>>137188143
I name them after Biblical judges and prophets, as aptly as possible.

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>>137188143
the first time I used the name "Veronica Demononica" in any game this is what happened

I guess it's the second "on" in Demononica that really makes it stick for me, the intentional absurdity and bold faced pride and aggressiveness to go along with it that gives it a special kind of citrusy zing.

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why

>>137189386
looks like you weren't effectively corner guarding against ranged enemies anon

>>137189776
yea

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>>137188531

So, I'm following the general advice to level only one skill and that be short blades. Am I wrong?

The Crawl devs know you can buff an enemy without making him bullshit and nerf something without making it useless, right?

>>137190386
I'm really suspicious of people's ability to survive with that strategy without using the fast attack speed of daggers to swing at empty space, let the enemy approach, take another swing before they can attack, and step back.

What I tend to do on enchanter is go 50/50 on hexes and stealth until confuse is casting at a fairly reliable rate, something like 20% fail or better, then turn on Fight/S.Blades/Dodge, leave them all at 20 %, and turn off hexes once it hits level 9, unless I somehow find a book with invisibility in it.

The trollposters here basically hate that shit because you'll never "get strong" and be able to handle things in a straight up tab-fest type of fight, but as an enchanter you should never expect to and should end up 360 walking away or cheesing hardcore on every encounter.

The thing is, the enchanter's cheese out game is really on point, so your kill stuff is really never going to be "short blades" until much later, it's going to be "Stabbing" for which stealth has an equal impact on damage, or alternatively it's going to be poison needles from a blowgun that you found, or that great artefact weapon you picked up, or that secondary spell school book you lucked out on (mephitic cloud is a favorite among enchanters,) or it's gonna be evocations on the side or as a main because you found a good rod or a lot of nice wands.

If you want to stand and fight shit there's really no point to being an enchanter, who can rightfully make it through most of the upper dungeon without ever needing to stop and rest much at all, and proceed at a much quicker, better pace of exploration by fighting dirty literally all the time.

>>137190386
No, you're right to level one skill at a time; it doesn't matter how close you are to a threshold, only that you've passed it.

As for how to skill, take note that I have never played a VpEn, or even much En, but I can repeat wisdom passed down to me from ancient Crawlers. The wisdom being this: level your killdudes before you level your notdie.

Level Shortblades until delay-per-attack is at most 1.0 and then switch to Hexes until the failrate for your hex of choice is <20%, then switch to Stealth until it's less efficient than other options, then Dodging until skill 4 at a minimum, then train fighting, then shortblades, then stealth, and so on.

The reasoning being that your killdudes is found in stabbing, and stabbing is not very well accomplished through Stealth alone. Thus, Shortblades/Hexes/Stealth is your killdudes. Your notdie is found in Dodging (EV) and Fighting (HP), since you can't use heavy armor.

Therefore, train killdudes, then notdie, then killdudes, then notdie, and repeat forever.

>>137190386
Reposting from the last thread:

hyperbolic[1/4] My 0.16 SpEn guide: SKILLS: Approximate goals are as follows: 1) 5 Short Blades, 8 Stealth. 2) 4 Spellcasting, 8 Hexes. 3) 3 Fighting, 8 Dodging. 4) 8 Short Blades, 12 Stealth. 5) 6 Fighting/Spellcasting, 10 Short Blades/Hexes, 15 Dodging/Stealth. 6) 10 Fighting, 27 Stealth, and whatever spell skills you want.

Will work in your version and for vampire.
Written by possibly one of the best DCSS players for many versions.

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>>137192120
>>137192370
>>137192613
For what I can tell I should increase stealth next, then hexes.

>>137192370
Crawl operates on fractional skill levels I don't know what you're smoking anon

>>137194506
I did not say the thresholds were uniformly integers, just that thresholds existed.

>>137194680
Then you should also know that crawl doesn't uniformly add experience to all skills equally, but alternately awards it to a different single skill when an increment can be made, according to the percentages set.

>>137194918
If what you're saying is "skills require more EXP to level up as their level grows higher", yes I knew that.

If what you're saying is "skills are leveled point by point with the aptitudes determining how much is actually gained", I did not know that, thank you for telling me. I do not see what relevance this has however.

>>137195571
the same amount of xp goes to all skills (unless you have a manual, which doubles xp gain in one skill).

aptitude changes the *amount* of xp you need for a level up

i dont understand how people play roguelikes with the numpad

in IVAN the "pick up" key is comma, but there are vi keys. I have to move my hand from the numpad to the main keyboard every time?

this is retarded

and it doesn't even have rebindable keys

>>137199318
>there are vi keys
*aren't

im retard

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Took forever, but hey

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Well, Mortimer is gone.

>Rod of igniton on D2
Jesus fuck this is strong, i one-shot three uniques with it so far

>>137200737
Consider ssh-ing to your nearest online crawl server, people can spectate you and send you notes with suggestions and advice.

>>137202565
If they spectate me more than 5 mins they'll cringe.
A real horror show m8.

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10 seconds into the game and already looking gloom.

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>>137203729
Killed 3, the 4th ended me.

>>137199318
idk numpad is the only way for me

unless the game works with a gamepad like shiren or elona

in IVAN I do hit the comma with my right index, but it's really not that far away, I barely move my wrist. if anything the slight pause that lets me take a moment to look at what I'm picking up is nice?

>>137203729
Never fight 3 on 1 when you have a choice.

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>>137205979
I could swear they come in packs.

>>137206661
they do

but if you retreat to a corridor instead of running into the middle of the room, they can only fight you one-at-a-time

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lvl2 again. Will try to avoid danger and go cautious.

>>137206661
Monsters come in packs, yes.

If you want, I could demo playing a bit of VpEn and you could spectate to see how someone else plays.

>>137207045
>darts

>>137207073
fuck you

>>137206994
I try senpai.
>>137207073
How do I spectate?

>>137207257
Either ssh to crawl.akrasiac.org
user: joshua
pass: joshua
Then navigate to the list of games and spectate nikheizen.
Or click this link: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-nikheizen

I'm not a stellar player or anything, but maybe you can learn a bit.

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>>137207869
Ok. Put my guy to sleep and I'm in (ssh). What do?

>>137208304
Are you watching my game? I'm just mucking around.
Should be a "W"atch games in progress option.

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Fuck these muts aren't turning out well. Spiny has got to be the worst demonspawn mut possible. I swear getting good muts means the character dies right after.

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>>137208519
I'm watchng you senpai.

>>137208591
spiny is really shitty and unreliable and I hate it.

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what do i wish for?

amulet of elemental protection? an artifact weapon?

>>137209963
petrus' left nut

>>137209963
A potion of milk. It'll make your bones harder than steel.

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that's a pretty nice shield there

>>137209963
wand of cloning or amulet of elemental protection

if you die, the wand of cloning is the best thing to find on a bones file, if you don't want to die, the amulet is best and provides stronger elemental resistance than rings or cloaks

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I may be a freak now but when I find some cure mut, the badmuts shall be gone and I will still be a vampire with the robe of vines and a artifact +4 dagger of draining

I didn't think I was going to survive anyways so I drank all the potions of mutation I had very early on

I think I need to understand a couple things before continuing.
Like the exclusion, is way over my head.
Thanks for the lesson m8.

>>137212591
Basically go into x/X mode, move the cursor over a square, and press E.
This creates a zone around the target that the game warns you before entering and is considered impassable for the purpose of aut"o"explore.
You can see the exclusions on the X screen as red colouring.
Note that exclusions placed on a staircase warn you before taking them- this is incredibly useful for keeping track of which stairs are Bad.
The centaur floor had all bad stairs, but we got lucky with /Disintegration there.

Good luck on your runs, man.

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>>137212913

Chei's slouch on Naga — still great

I explored the catacombs beneath the Attnam cathedral, which seemed to have nothing but ghosts, zombies, and spiders in them.

I realized a little too late that I didn't have any food (I had a single can that Mellis could refill, but that was it), and just barely made it back to the store in Attnam only to starve to death while standing over an unpurchased lump of banana flesh.

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>>137214450

>>137214740
pretty early on you're gonna need to get in good with either mellis or seges, and sort of hover around their alignment zone with the other gods, food is not plentiful in this game.

becoming totally chaotic or totally lawful and becoming champion of morty or froggy is some late game, upper level shit, because you lose access to most of the other gods who will get pissed at you

on the other hand, worship mellis for long enough, and you can get a stack of 30 troll bloods/banana flesh/etc.

With seges you just never need to eat and can horde permafood forever

>>137215305
I was worshipping Mellis and knew of Seges (although I was too chaotic to pray without pissing her off)

My problem was that I only had 1 empty can.

1-5 - Cata
6-9 Angband
0 - Caves of Qud

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wew

>5
>he has to play cata now

What a noble sacrifice!

>>137216303
Taking weavers corrosion chant down to 1 turn was stupid IMO. You can't do shit against that, 3 turns is too much, so 2 turns would be better.

How do I dehydrate stuff in DDA? I've found two food dehydrators, but I can't seem to figure out how they work. I've tried (a)pplying the dehydrator to the meat I want to use it on, but it says "you can't do anything interesting with your dehydrator". I can see a re-hydration recipe in the crafting list, do I need a recipe to be able to dehydrate them as well, or what? How does this blasted thing work?

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wew lad

>go down to L:1
>spiny frog and pack of elephants to greet me

>>137218134
yea pretty sure you have to go through the recipe to do it
just search for dehyd for the recipes i guess

>>137218516
Well that's kinda fucked. I don't have a recipe for dehydrating. Would I be able to get it from a book? Or is is maybe a skill-level based unlock?

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>>137218752
http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/dry_meat/craft

it's not learned from anywhere, so I assume it's automatic at 2 skill

notably, it requires raw meat, not cooked

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Goodnight sweet prince

Cure mut never came, neither did sustain attributes. The funny thing is that even with collapse, which on a normal character would pretty stop any regeneration dead, my vampire still regenerates 2 hp per turn and he's not even Alive

The ridiculous regen while being well-fed also made him de facto immune to poison, even more so with Makhleb's healing upon kill

>>137219404
Come to think of it, since he's a vampire and has the robe of vines for regen anyways couldn't I do the MuMo thing and cheese the early dungeon for XP until I crawl him back from that hole?

>>137219404
>not flying around in bat form kiting and zapping niggas

are you even allowed to batform when you have <5 strength

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>VpEn
>find pearl dragon hide on D1
>mfw

>>137219210
Hmm, alright thanks.

>http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/dry_meat/craft
How well kept is this website? I was just using the wiki linked from the download site in the pastebin, and the wiki seems to be devoid of a lot of basic information. If this site is actually kept up to date that'll help me a ton.

are vampires the new meme race
first that one guy was playing vampire in nethack and now all these DCSS vampires out of no where

that website is automatically generated from the game files

it can get out-of-date when things like the formula for calculating armor changes, but shit like "we gave this bullet +1 damage" will show up in there automatically

>>137220134
I assume that was meant for >>137219980 me. Should be good enough, as long as recipes and stuff like that are kept up to date.

And sure enough raising my cooking to 2 made the dehydration recipe magically appear.

Is there a way to start equipping stuff from the ground in Cata or I always have to wield it first?

>>137222937
I haven't played that game in years but I think so. Advanced inventory management or something. I think it was "/" or "\"

>>137222937
you can use the advanced inventory and press 'W' to set a pane to your current worn items, and then equip shit off of the ground or drop equipped shit onto the ground

Almost done with figuring out tutorial stuff, but I've got a plastic bottle that was filled with water. Drank water and now when I try to fill bottle with water from shallow water terrain, it does nothing. No prompt, no message.

>>137225508
Have you tried using (e)xamine from an adjacent tile?

>>137188143
A batpony succubus with a gigantic ass

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My squeaks of chaos brings your doom

>>137225772
That works, thanks. Tutorial said to use g or "," , so I got confused.

>>137226256
that's for picking up actual solid objects

maybe if you had spoons for hands that would work on water

where my @s at

Is there any way to make pets follow you better in Dynahack? It's so tedious that you can't use auto-run to walk down a long hallway because your pet is almost always going to get separated and then you got to walk back for it anyway

>>137230092
isn't there like a magic whistle or something in that game

>>137229225
Work
Just checking

>>137230092
A leash. That's the only one if you want to keep it close since you can't spam the whistle.

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DoomRL is fun but god damn I'm shit at it. I have yet to win even on piss baby fucker mode.

>>137230696
>tiles
anon no that's not right stop it

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>>137231209
>not liking doomrl's tileset

what the fuck bro

you think i should turn the fuckin' sound off too?

>CoQ
Is there any point to the 'sturdy' item mod? I don't know of any way to actually have my equipment break, so is it just pointless or am I missing something?

>>137232861
it looks really good in ascii though

>>137230696
Are you using (with spoilers) assemblies? They can be damn helpful. Deimos lvl3 right now and I can't use all the shit that is lying round.

>>137233928
items can be destroyed by rust and acid

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I like the new city spacing option with low item spawn. Feels good when you finally find something useful to loot.

>>137237021
So sturdy is better than lacquered? Or does it just prevent things from being dusted?

On another note: what point, if any, is it viable to focus on DV instead of AV? I've been building up a stockpile of +DV armor and I have a +4 AGI bonus. I'm at Grit Gate and that shortblades ability to attack on every miss is looking really tempting.

>>137237775
A combination of both is always best desu

It gets pretty damn hard to stack DV later on though

>>137235526
This.

It's also a pain when you can't see the whole map at once.

DON'T REFRESH!

>>137241140
What's wrong, Alice?

>>137241140
thanks for that.
>>137241751
april fools prank makes the thread look ugly.

>>137241140
I refreshed
What's wrong

HLY SHIT MOUNTAIN DWARFS ARE BACK

>>137243698
AND THEY'RE RIDING LAVA ORCS

I don't get it, it this supposed to look like reddit now?

Now that DoomRL got mentioned, I got back in, and HOW THE FUCK do you pass Hell's Arena as Berserker (HMP)? Besides using the hell out of running, since I'll chew through my medpacks on Arena anyway?
>>137244224
I think it's more of a google+

>>137244224
jesus christ this is worse than tiles

>>137244903
by being berserk the entire time you're there

>>137245010
See you say this, but this is actually fucking worse than tiles what the fuck.

How do you guys feel about tiles? I always play ascii and find tiles really hard to get into. After seeing so many people praise tiles i try to use them but for some reason I just hate them. I can appreciate that they're well done, but I still find them offputting for some reason. For some reason I don't like them.

Also, what is a good RL to get into when i've burned out on DCSS? I tried getting into Brogue, but just wasn't really feeling it. I'm about to give TOME a try, so i'll see how that goes.

>>137246781
play IVAN with the other IVAN posters we're coolios

also I like tiles in some games but not in others.

DCSS in particular, tiles just convey more information faster, but for say doomRL, I find the ascii looks really great and the sound conveys a lot of information too, so tiles aren't really necessary

the sounds basically work better with the limited visual information from ascii as well, giving your imagination a slight nudge in the right direction when you play

IVAN from what I know doesn't even have an ASCII mode and it hardly hampers anything about it

Oh god my eyes

End my life thanks

>>137247442
Oh wow it got my first name correctly. Are names like IDs?

>>137247442
Block md2016.*.css, problem solved.

>>137247442
I haven't refreshed the page yet so this thread is the only one that still looks normal. The names are there but the layout is still fine

>>137247559
they're random.

Now I wont have a difficulty naming my character anymore, i just take a name from this thread.

>>137246781
Try Caves of Qud. It's really different, and it's also an example of tiles done right.

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>free mutations
Thanks lad, shoot me again pls

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>>137249451
What could go wrong? I need more!

>Only two spiders left in the nest
>"Should be fine"
>Step in
>Immediately trapped in web
>Chain-paralyzed and buttfucked from full health

The list of things I really shouldn't do keeps getting longer.

>>137249802
>>137249451
I havent played C:DDA in so long. I wonder how much has changed. I quit shortly before running was added. I tried getting back into it a few times but I feel so far behind on the features now

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>>137249802
Looks like it cant push me over the threshold for mutations. Im almost a plant now on the first day, kinda silly.

>>137250729
Nothing has fundamentally changed, its still the same looting and grinding simulator

>>137248985
Looks cool, but i'm not spending $10 on that

>>137252037
I tried to steal it and the game automatically killed my character at level 18

>>137240250
I wish I could zoom out. Minimap is not the same.
At what display resolution would the whole map fit? Is 2560x1440 enough?

>>137252138
and that's why qud is shit

>>137257249
I can't really say I wouldn't do something similar myself

but then I wouldn't try to sell a roguelike in the first place

I actually wouldn't be bothered that much if this became a normal layout, maybe with the Yotsuba B colors and without names.

>>137259559
the image circles that open a new tab if you click them wrong are the tools of fucking satan

>>137259559
+1

Good, because hiroyuki is actually selling this site to Google and this is just a test under the guise of a joke.

>>137259559
Upvoted

>>137259829
>implying he's that smart or straightforward
Last I head his actual plan was to implement the text-only site-wide search engine he was talking about in his Q&A, because the text-only format was easier to datamine.

>>137260001
oh my god shut up peggie for the love of god

>>137260001
>Last I head his actual plan was to implement the text-only site-wide search engine
We'll I've got to admit those nips are good at stealing features from competing products.

It doesn't look that much like reddit. I go to reddit for porn and its layoud is actually really minimalistic, much like 4chan's (in the actual meaning of the word, not just in looks). I'm not sure it would fit into Web 2.0 design trends actually, and this is obviously a spoof of those.

It looks more like anything Google has ever done.

>>137260201
Fuck you Laura.

Downvoted and reported to the reddit police.

Mind your reddiquite on this sub you cunt.

>>137260425
OH MY GOD SHELDON I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT
YOU NAZI ANTI-FEMINIST

>>137260331
>I go to reddit for porn
wait what

>>137260626
Who's to say that Hitler wasn't right tho

We sure haven't been doing too good without him

>>137257249
>Dickson
;_;

>>137263197
>new IA never

>>137260331 etc
Have you people never seen android phone? This theme is 100% "material design" shit.
Reply button can stay, especially on mobile.

Rocketband has been released.
It is like Angband, but with rockets.
Competition will start soon: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=110218#post110218

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polypiling is fun :3

>>137264332
>It is like Angband, but with rockets.
So, PCB?

>>137264519
yeah, it's completely broken, danny.

>>137264332
How hard would it be to make modern/sci-fi combat *band?
I mean something as simple as DoomRL ammo types system, not CDDA bloat.

>tfw you refreshed
This was all a mistake.

>>137264332
This... is just angband with a wand of rockets.
Is this an april fools joke

>>137264863
I mean as long as you know some C, vanilla Angband is honestly really easy to work with after v4.

>>137264986
See
>>137253258
Or block the CSS alternatively.

>>137264651
I'm not sure there's any way to win realistically in this game without doing broken stuff

>>137266714
Do you consider hasting yourself and slowing the other dude as "doing broken stuff"
'cause that's what it takes for a regular win

>>137176697
>Someone posts my first win
Was there a cool meme there ?

Also, what other roguelikes are similar to DCSS Tome 4 in that you have quite a few different starting options and different races/monster classes to choose from?

>>137268101
a win is a nice way to start a thread, nothing meme about it.

PosChengBand has one helluva lot of races/classes

>>137268101
That's a pretty common feature
Try PCB for the most options

>>137268101
Poschengband, Furyband, ToME2, SlashEM, Steamband, Elona+ (with the extra races option enabled).

>>137268396
>>137268447
>>137268540
Seems like PCB is the agreed thing i'll go for that cheers for recommendations lads, gonna see if I can find something in pasta for it.

>>137268806
yeah pcb can be fun for a while
you're better off suiciding after level 30

>>137268974
Back to the retirement home with you, Esther. Should have suicided at 30 yourself.

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>>137269295
I really should have.

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I'm curious about whether I can gain permanent esp this way or if I have to eat three actual floating eyes to do it

>>137269721
you need a large chest of floating eye flesh for "nigh-perma" ESP.
That's like 5 kilos.

What's the fun in playing Resistance Roulette past Lair/the Dungeon?

>>137270050
It's not really that bad also if you're a mage or mix of both it's kinda fun seeing some utility spells or other spells. But extended can get bit boring.

>>137269848
I'm just gonna collect their corpses and leave them on another map I don't visit often

not sure how a tiny floating eyeball weighs 30 kilos though

also I thought it was permanent, I got permanent telecontrol from blink dogs by eating 3 of them

>>137271214
>I got permanent telecontrol from blink dogs by eating 3 of them
blink dogs give permatelecontrol. It's a thing.
Perma ESP?
That's just broken code.

>>137271806
whats the difference

>>137271860
telecontrol is something you need late into the game and that nothing else gives you as an extrinsic, so the devs made it so that if you ate enough dogs, you got perma ctele.
ESP is already covered by the amulet. You can get a really really high counter by eating a shitton of floating eye meat, but it that's it.
Actually, I think that if you eat a large chest, it's for like one day. Useful, but not permanent.

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Oops.

>>137264863
Sci-fiband wasn't something I knew I wanted this bad until just now.

>>137272096
I'm gonna try it out anyway

is it really that important not to use up a ring slot on telecontrol though? rings are indestructible and just about the fastest thing to swap

You can also get perma-anything from fountains

>>137273248
>is it really that important not to use up a ring slot on telecontrol though?
extremely
you need one ring of rf, a cloak of rf and a ring of elec resistance in the endgame.

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And it was good.

>>137273372
where's the elec come from

also don't you need acid res for the demon king guy

is that stuff in addition to an amulet of elemental protection?

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>>137273465
: DDDD

>>137273568
>where's the elec come from
Wizards in the post-elpuri levels

>also don't you need acid res for the demon king guy
nah

psst. guys.
http://pastebin.com/KS6GwiV0
Whatever you do, don't go to
Settings -> Miscellaneous -> Custom CSS [Edit]
and paste what's in the pastebin, then save the CSS, check Use Custom CSS, and then save the Settings. I repeat, do not do this, it is Russian malware.

Oh yeah, and make sure you've blocked

s.4cdn.org/css/md2016.*.css
http://s.4cdn.org/js/prettify/prettify.*.css
http://s.4cdn.org/css/yotsubluemobile.*.css
http://s.4cdn.org/css/yotsubluenew.*.css

with adblock/ublock/whatever, too, or it won't work.

>>137276268
I could also just not care

that seems to work pretty effectively

>>137276382
Based Tom telling it like it is.

>>137276268
What the Heck is that pastebin
And I've already blocked md2016 and it's back
what is all that crap

>>137276382
>Please don't notice I'm tech-illiterate, senpai ;_;

>>137276459
The pastebin is most certainly not the old Tomorrow CSS, or at least most of it, it is definitely russian malware.

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>>137276559
>The pastebin is most certainly not the old Tomorrow CSS

Dude like
if you want I can give you mine
it's way better and it's not 30 K lines of code

>>137276268
I just haven't refreshed the page and don't really go to much of the site.

You should say, "Make sure you haven't blocked..."

>>137276559
>>Please don't notice I'm tech-illiterate, senpai ;_;
yeah no, like I've never seen a shell game before

go find another patsy anon, I'm so tired of your shit

>>137276795
>orange
make it less eye-bleeding and I'd gladly use that instead.

>>137277006
I will hurt you

>>137277050
>being colorblind
you poor thing

>>137276795

>le 0 aesthetic sense meme
Nice one Esther, upvoted!

>>137276795

>orange

ponyposter detected

we know it was you, esther

these stupid circle images are awful for a general centered around posting pictures of grids

>Everyone is a namefag today
>There we must shitpost extra hard
Even I am not an exception.

>>137279046
>he reloaded the tab
Own fault

>>137279046
CIRCLELOS
IRC
LEL
O
S

this is the future you chose

We should have an IRC or something

A number of us are already in various IRC channels. I think it was/has been intentional that there's no 'official /rlg/ club' outside of rlg.

>>137279536
Most of the active games have an irc for them already. No need to take even more traffic from the general.

>>137279536
Shitposting in real time would be kind of fun.

http://pastebin.com/KS6GwiV0

Fully updated to have all functionality in Tomorrow-style CSS. I don't think I missed anything.

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BROTHERS

>>137263421
>using a smartphone
lmao

Is there an active way to avoid land mines in IVAN or do you passively spot them with Per?
My last run ended with me wanting to pick up a magic staff on a land mine, which set off a chain reaction with my /fireball that made me splatter over the whole floor.
Kind of hilarious, but I'd rather be able to pick up the loot that's laying about.

>>137280389
Good day to you Master. Why do we not rest?

>>137281184
>Is there an active way to avoid land mines in IVAN
Yeah. Levitation.

>>137281321
>Townsend
can you shred some sick riffs?
I didn't know that there was a landmine there, I guess it was hidden. Is that just something that I have to expect when I see a suspicious item on the ground?

>>137281595
>Is that just something that I have to expect when I see a suspicious item on the ground?
Anon, IVAN is really basic. I mean hell it's been stuck in 0.5 development for the last ten years.
There's no hidden perception check, either you find it because you have been searching for it a-la brouge, or you use the bloody belt of levitation which was made only for that

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>>137281286
Splendid idea, I think I shall rest for all eternity now.

>>137282057
>dead with almost 40 HP left
Old crawl was hard.

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That's what I get for using greater destruction

>>137282279
Didn't you just
didn't you just die in >>137282057

Anon are you savescumming

>>137282568
Yea, that's the same death. While it would be hilarious if I had taken 36+ damage from poison, it was really a point blank orb of elec that did me in

>>137282568
That's his death printout you retard.

>>137282568
>it was really a point blank orb of elec that did me in
But the game turns in >>137282057 says 17 K turns and the one in >>137282279 says 21 K turns
I mean you haven't been spending every turn in batform right

>>137282963
>game turns = player actions
He played the entire game in batform. That means every 1 turn of movement is >1 player actions, which adds up to a lot.

>>137283131
But why

>>137283223
because vampires are a meme

>>137281858
>There is a (s)earch command
thanks Lorene Downs, I overlooked that somehow.

Staring at ascii for more than a few minutes in the form of like, roguelike map things gives me a goddamn migraine. What are some of the better roguelikes with tilesets?

>>137284983
>not even using a new Ip to shitpost
man, friday night, huh?

>>137284983
tome4

>>137284983
DCSS
OWH
Brogue
DoomRL

Do Amulets of Reflection only reflect projectiles that you blocked?

>>137286120
yea
equip shield of gong and reflect everything

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I think this one may actually survive. With this ring I can cast all the spells in my starting book at sub-20% failrate, with no training other than the levels I started with. Once I get Cheistats that'll be even lower and I'll be able to go around with minimal training in Chamrs.

>>137286698
Oh, no point if two handed then?

>>137287505
>High elf skald of chei
Gross. High elves are so bad.

>>137287749
the amulet gives you some SH, so you don't need to wear a shield at all, you just won't be blocking/reflecting that many projectiles
you can pair the amulet with condensation shield, corpse armor (was this removed? lmao), or TSO's shield to improve the reflection rate if you're going two-handed
but yea the amulet isn't that great, but it's better than nothing if you don't have any other amulets

>>137287505
fag

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>>137287951
But anon High Elves have the highest stats of any race short of Demigods, good apts for being Skalds AND they can worship Chei to boost them even more. I just want to make a super-hybrid really early instead of slowly building up musclewizard prowess

I didn't expect to actually find the altar this soon though, and I can barely survive without the need for penalties to movement speed. My favorite part was almost getting meleed to death by a gecko from full health while having Infusion on.

Should I?

>>137282057
ah, rest well
it was a nethack #chat to vampires reference

>>137288602
They're also the absolute best at getting bodied by orcs and goblins. You should totally do it. Just don't be afraid to go all in on stupid fluff because you can't run away.

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always nice being able to get almost-guaranteed +10 speed within the first 3 minutes

>>137288602
>High Elf
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>137289003
Yeah

>>137292140
And dead, he took about half my HP just walking to the stairs since I didn't want to fight a fucking jelly on top of him

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>>137288602
Knife ears are way too fragile though.

And being able to walk away from a fight trumps Chei's powers during the early game, which is where all the difficulty is.

>>137292140
>No might or agi ID'd
>Only slow, which he can cancel out
>No scrolls ID'd
RIP. Blork is about to tear apart your knife ear'd bitchboy ass.

>tfw the Crawl Dev team has become so completely garbage that they can't even do fucking April Fools jokes anymore because it would interfer with gameplay

Literally. Why.

>>137292394
That's what happens when you play filthy disgusting High Elf scum. Play a good race instead, like an Orc.

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>>137292454
>this image

>>137292140
Woah Nellie, slow down a bit.

>>137281184
>>137281858

by the way anon:

you can get a guaranteed belt of levitation by beating Huang Ming Pong in a sumo wrestling match in the starting town

probably do that before entering GC

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*Qud just got more picturesque. Added new tiles for the following creatures and objects.
chrome pyramid
booster bot
scrap shoveler
ice frog
leech
bloated leech
segmented mirthworm
quillipede
scorpiock
spark tick
irritable tortoise
small, medium, and large boulders
campfire
copper, silver, and gold nuggets
*Qud just got more descriptive. Added new descriptions for the following creatures and objects.
girshling corpse
glowfish corpse
young ivory
goatfolk
hide-sheathed hermit
horned chameleon
knollworm
knollworm jerky
plated knollworm
ice frog
*The wire strand description now makes it clear that it's copper wire.
*Added a hallucinogen to the fungal jungle (more info to come).
*The fungal jungle no longer has procedural biomes.
*Roads and salt water rivers no longer appear in the fungal jungle.
*Fungal jungle maps now generate with their lichen-fueled pools pre-secreted.
*A prodigy mushroom scientist has taken residence in the fungal jungle, half a dimension over.
*Fixed an issue causing the High Scores screen to be blank.
*Fixed an issue causing the Joppa graveyard fence to be removed along the border of the map.

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I figure I can get Freezing Clouds online before L:8, whaddaya think /rlg/?

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>>137298319
I'm just raking in all the magic today.

>>137298541
does tso prohibit training necromancy or just casting it

imo you should go full on necro mode but never cast any of your spells

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>>137298730
>Lava Orc of the Shining One *****.
10/10, I had a hearty chuckle.

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>>137298856
>Molag is so bored of lava orcs that he keeps trying to play them as ice orcs

>>137299446
If I knew how, I'd make my own Ice Orcs as an extra fuck you to the crawl devs. I figure they'd have Ozocubu's armor innately, with all the drawbacks that brings, and they'd get colder over time, eventually causing Metabolic Englaciation to nearby monsters. Finally, at their coldest temperature, they cause Ozocubu's Refridgeration to their surroundings. As they get colder and colder, they'd move slower and slower. I figure that at their coldest temperature they move at 60% or so an Englaciated enemy moves, so it's not like they'll negate their innate movement speed drops. That number probably would need a lot of tweaking, though. They'll be able to traverse through deep water, too, since Ice Form allows you to do so and they're literally Orcs made of ice.

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Jesus christ those jewels
I'm trying a DrMo of Nemelex, just became a mottled dragon, how should i play it?

Is there a vehicle building guide for DDA? I'm now about ready to really start messing with this stuff, so I'm kinda tinkering with an electric car for now. But I'd like to get a little more information on some things so I can better understand what I'm doing and how it affects the vehicle overall.

On a somewhat related topic, is there a way to use batteries charged by solar panels to power a makeshift welder instead of needing to use my batteries? The welder is eating up batteries like crazy I found a portable generator "vehicle" earlier, which makes me wonder if it's at all possible to create something similar that has a solar panel and battery and use that as a mobile welding station.

>>137300527
With how much of a clusterfuck the crawl codebase is, even if you knew how to program, good luck

It'd be easier to just make a new roguelike altogether that is a clone than to try to fix the old mess

>>137301514
well you can put a charging station in your vehicle and a rechargeable battery mod in your electric tools

or you can just create a vehicle welding rig and attach it to your car

>>137301514
>is there a way to use batteries charged by solar panels to power a makeshift welder instead of needing to use my batteries
You can craft a vehicle welding rig (needs a book for the recipe) that runs off your car batteries.

There's also a UPS-recharging thingy you can pull out of some military vehicles that will charge your items if you have a UPS mod to stick on them. I've seen them occasionally in basements but they seem fairly rare.

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>>137301696
>>137302083
Ah, I see. Thanks.

>>137300894
like normal

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>>137302731
Like splatting as usual, you mean?

>>137303114
How did manage to die with all these pots Elizabeth?

Why are Demigods so weak? Aren't they supposed to be strong?

>>137303694
Just choose the Jester background, you'll be 15 runing as a demigod in no time.

>>137303694
They aren't that weak. Bonuses to both health and HP, innate sustain attributes, the best base stats in the game and the most control over your stat points is pretty strong. What could make them weak from certain points of view is not being able to worship a god and not having any good apts. Try a transmuter and you'll wipe the floor with everything until the bad apts start to take their toll, which will take a while.

>>137303376
Well Eslie, i had 10 before the orcs ganged up on me, and i foolishly tried to believe in the heart of the cards
Why does ID'ing decks not show the amount of cards inside? I get that knowing all of the cards would be too good, but at least tell me if i have one or ten

>>137304585
>foolishly tried to believe in the heart of the cards
No, you didn't believe in the heart of the cards enough. Also,
>Playing versions past 0.13
fault.

Holy shit I'm reading a discussion about demigods in the tavern
>"Well-designed" is clearly a weasel-word/phrase. What does it even mean?

>Yes I almost didn't want to say that but I figured with people throwing around stuff like "fun" it wouldn't make things any worse.

Both completely verbatim

>>137305028
did you read the thread about winscumming

>>137305447
Link pls

How does a combat system that uses weapon parries rather than the typical AC/EV defence sound?
Has something like this been attempted before? Was thinking about making a roguelike but I don't want it to feel too similar to everything else

>>137305654
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14997

>>137305768
what do you mean by "weapon parries"? how do they mechanically work?

are they just "EV, but it uses your equipped weapon instead of your armor", or do you have some sort of unique system in mind?

>>137305768
demon

>>137305820
>eally simple, leading me to conclude that the gasps here probably reveal its practitioners. Using multiple accounts, wizmode and offline playing solely to bolster an online winrate makes that winrate an invalid metric, again, plain and simple. It's not real. It's dishonest. And it is exploitation that is not appreciably different from savescumming.
Holy shit
Not even the fucking tavern is taking him seriously

>>137306012
Was thinking of something like it being defence tied to weapon skill, since fighting is just as much about hitting your opponent as it is not getting hit yourself

>>137188143

I just stuck with the same name, tacking roman numerals onto the end every new character I made.

Only got up to CXIII or so.

>>137306494
that could make sense, but be careful about making it too much of a "be better at everything" skill.

assuming your player is choosing which skills to increase, the other options should have some very strong benefits to compete with it

>>137305820
what the fuck am I reading

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>>137305820
Today I learned that ponyposter lives in the same city that I do.

>>137306775
I haven't thought of much in the way of that yet, but I think having ranged combat would help, since being good with a sword wouldn't help if someone was shooting arrows at you

Armour would still be a thing too of course, just way more about how encumbering it is to your actions

>>137305768
>Has something like this been attempted before?
IVAN does parries/blocks with the weapon.

It's always funny how much of a ridiculous power boost Spider form is

I fled from a D:2 pair of polearm gnolls twice (one even had a throwing net, which I picked up). Once I'd completed the level I had Spider Form at 24%. I catched one of them by itself, and with spider form it barely scratched me. I then actively searched for the other just for the extra serving of XP

>>137309076
>+speed
>+damage (both base, and through the poison brand)
>+dex
>+EV
Of course it's a huge powerboost.

>>137309310
>+speed

not anymore

unless you're a naga

>>137309451
>playing any version past .14

>>137307164
>canadians
ANNEX

>>137310146
>playing any version

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>>137310282

>>137310327
>playing a dead genre

>>137310662
>playing anything

>>137310969
>not living in a shack in the woods

>>137305820
I read every post and now I have cancer. bloax crawl looks fun though.

>If you want winrates to have merit, you have to prevent offline play. My solution would be twofold: 1) close the open source, but still make it accessible to registered accounts, who would then be eliminated from any standings or bot-generated charts, and: 2) make trunk unavailable for download as binaries, and calculate winrates solely from trunk. Otherwise, its meaningfulness will remain little more than dick-diddling shennanigans.

Jesus christ, how horrifying.
>there are people like this that actually exist on the same planet as you

>>137313006
Stone Soup downfall soon, comrade

>>137314379
Why do people care so much about winning

aren't games about having fun?

>>137314592
No, games are about playing lava orcswhich is the definition of having fun.

>>137314592
it's all one (extremely autistic) guy

>>137314745
Why did they remove those and Djinn again?

>>137315096
They were too much fun. Over half of the devil's team perished horribly in a Lava Orc related fun™ incident. Their brains were horribly charred and melted, as if lava and/or fun™ had somehow found its way into their skulls. Fearing for their lives, the devil's team axed the Lava Orcs, but their legacy lives on.

>>137315096
They were horribly implemented and the people who introduced them in the first place didn't stick around to see their babies through.

>>137315548
>They were horribly implemented
hey fuck you Huang you slant-eyed chink, don't you have some irradiated smog to be inhaling?

>>137315548
>herewego.jpg
I agree, but get ready for some buttmad replies.