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Final Destination

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Friendly reminder that monkeys are more powerful than Tentacle Horrors.

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But maces are not more powerful than anything. Didn't realize there were also phantoms behind me.

Too bad ?Tele was UnID.

>>136883781
god forbid people not hang around 24/7 to talk about an obscure genre of pc games. maybe wait until the people who actually sleep at night have a chance to drink their morning coffee?

I honestly quite like the speed of this general, as you can carry on an actual conversation without being lambasted by a metric shitton of embarrassing lewd fanart.

>>136884697
Couldn't agree more. People are too prone to cry "ded" when a general is slow even for a short while. /rlg/ has been through lulls like this before where we were almost going past page 10 regularly. Until the last few weeks, we were actually moving incredibly quickly, so that might be why the difference is so shocking to some people.

>>136882013
>that image
Oh man
Alright I might as well explain what happened there. I went into compatibility settings and ran IVAN with 256 colours. It turned out pretty sick, so I made a couple screenshots.

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>>136885131
>spoiling the mystery
You're no fun.

>>136885221
But that might actually make people play IVAN with those settings. It's like playing on shrooms.

>shimmering portals in cata don't do anything
whew

>>136885315
you haven't taken shrooms irl have you anon? it just makes you see halos of light around things and makes you feel all giddy.

it's not even as intense as LSD, which admittedly also only breaks down the mental construct of separation between one's body and one's environment, as opposed to one's body and one's mind, as well as manifesting some pretty stellar form construct.

>>136885764
I tripped on a drug which was kind of like his pic once, but I can't remember what it was called. Something-NBoME I think.

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>Incursion will never be finished
>Caves of Qud will also probably never be finished

>>136886203
>Caves of Qud will also probably never be finished
Sure it will, just give us more money :^)
t. goony mcgoon

>>136886203
only if you continue to repurchase the next unfinished versions of the game :^)

>>136885764
It's true anon
I'm a sham

So which version of dcss has the most content? Which patch should I play for the most updated version that's before all the big removals?

>>136888949
They all have about the same amount of content after the first few versions.

>>136888949
0.5.2 suffered some prior removals, but it still has dwarves, divinations, and other things.
After that it was the removal apocalypse

>>136890138
>not exclusively playing version the precede the alter self removal

It's not that funny anymore

>>136888180
that's okay anon, it's part of being human

we all use words and terms we don't entirely understand and only grasp a vague meaning of through context, that's how we develop as a species creating more complex ideas while saving brainspace :3

>>136890561
They're not laughing anymore.

>>136890561
>>136890738
DO YOU FEEL IN CHARGE?

>>136890561
it was never funny, you just have a sad and empty life focused on others instead of making something of yourself instead.

"I was just pretending to be retarded!" you say, but really anon, were you? Or were you just afraid that if you actually tried to succeed instead of harrying others that you would fail, that you were sure you would fail because you were so convinced other people were as petty as you?

There's still time of course, to make a better difference in your own life, but the question is, will you? Do you have the strength of will?

>>136891418

What the fuck are you retards even talking about? I can't even tell which roguelike this is.

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Just curious but, what is wrong with Cataclysm: DDA? Why does everyone say it is shit?

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Fuck you guys. To the EMD anons who suggested I fly solo, I'll try that out. I might try playing as the qt hexer though, or maybe a gunner. I may just uninstall and get the new pokemon mystery dungeon instead, but I want to hear more of the cozy soundtrack EMD has. Did you get enough materials for the shop with just one character, or did you swap from one solo to another?

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>>136892681

>>136892863
So its the whole Deamon Souls v Dark Souls v Dark souls 2 v Bloodborne argument?

I'm just genuinely curious.

What would a roguelike need for you to justify spending money on it

>>136893105
yes anon. Those are all roguelikes. They are the spelunky of roguelikes.

I know that it's a roguelite but is anyone else hyped for enter the gungeon?

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>>136891831
basically there's a bunch of edgelord goons here trying to be all negative and bring people down because they imagine other 4chan nerds are soft targets

as if I don't already know the score

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>>136893194
>>136892863

NO BULLY

>>136893132
Bring me Dwarf Fortres from 2050 and I would pay upwards of ten thousand usd.

>>136893463
>you need a quantum computer to play it

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>>136892681
>>136893105
Usually when we say a game is shit, we've either A. haven't played it at all and decided it was stupid for some inane reason (I think most of us never really gave Dredmor a try for example) or B. played it to death, from older version to new and cannot comprehend looking at it without seeing its flaws. People in this category might powergame the fuck out of it, ruining even further. (this is where cata falls, and you'll see people STILL playing with 12 str/dex. People who played Dredmor will rightfully bitch about the UI and what not here too.)

>>136893306
>I know that this is a hip-hop album, but how did you enjoy Pablo, /a/?

>>136893463
Toady would be dead from Coca Cola overdose long before then.

>>136892681
I like DDA a lot and play it almost every day, I might be the only person in this thread to play it that much but here's my input.

Most roguelikes have the problem where the more you learn to play the game the less fun it gets after a while but dda takes that to the extreme.

Once you learn to survive the first week, you can start a new character with any handicap and never die. The game just becomes a roguelike walking simulator where you explore different areas. DDA is far more of sandbox than other roguelikes which would be nice but there's nothing to fucking do in it.

Get katana, level up melee a little, have a backup shotgun for hulks/shockers, now unkillable god. What are your options?

>make a super death vehicle, doesn't mean anything because you're already an unkillable god
>get tons of bionics, doesn't mean anything because you're already an unkillable god
>mutate yourself to hell, doesn't mean anything because you're already an unkillable god
>farm artifacts, doesn't mean anything because you're already an unkillable god

It's only real longevity is if you like roleplaying a LOT like I do

>>136893631
>DDA is far more of sandbox than other roguelikes which would be nice but there's nothing to fucking do in it.
Dwarf Fortress is pretty much the same shit.

>>136893791
Yeah, but DDA doesn't even have nearly the same complexity of dorf fort.
The real problem of dorf fort is still, like DDA, the fact that you can get a fortress running anywhere after you git gud and that people often mod or try to have fun in other ways.

Dwarf fortress is an objectively better game though, since it's got a shitton more stuff to do.

>>136893791
If we're talking about adventure mode, it's sandboxy like DDA but plays nothing like it.

>>136894247
They both have that problem. WIthout a real objective you don't feel the reward of getting good, you don't have anything to put it towards.

>Dwarf fortress is an objectively better game though, since it's got a shitton more stuff to do.
From a technical standpoint it's definitely better but they're completely different. Cataclysm is modern day, the vehicle and crafting systems are absolutely incredible and no other roguelike offers anything like it.

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>Look up how URR development is going
>this happens

>PTSD kicks in

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So how about URR guys

>>136892681
1. Once you've played for 4 seasons, you don't know what to do anymore.
You have plenty of food, water is easy to get and the enemies aren't threatening.
At day 100, you keep killing the same zombies that you've beaten at day 1, it's boring.
In other words, cataclysm is lacking end game content.
Yes, I know we have Mine or Ancient Temple, but the possibility of you to see one in your playthrough is almost 0, oh and the enemies there are joke too.

2. NPC
Do the developers actually play Cataclysm-DDA ?
Dynamic NPC either rob you of your posessions or shoot you in the face with shotgun / flamethrower.
They're annoying to the point you'll play better if you turn them off in the option.

3. Bloat
There are too many items, ex : you can find 1000+ different kind of guns with barely different stats.

Wow someone won a Lazy Yeek Tourist in PCB: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=18913

>>136895338
>look at his list of wins
jesus christ he's won over 70 sil dudes

Truly, this man is the embodiment of gitting gud

>>136895338
yeah. Did you see that diamond edge? It's the best Scroll of Artifact Creation result I've ever seen. Imagine what a real melee class could do with that thing.

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>five gold buckles
>simple and unadorned

>>136895338
>I got tired of this character and went to 555 for rockets and then shot up the serpent.

ONE OF US
ONE OF US

>>136893579
Hey fuck you I don't know where else to discuss it

>>136895652
Are you sure it's gold? Might be brass.

>>136896519
/indie/ or /v/.

>>136895171

>There are too many items, ex : you can find 1000+ different kind of guns with barely different stats.

so you're the spastic kind of autist for whom the "generic guns" mod was made

end yourself

>>136896519
What about /indie/

>>136896657
looks like brass to me too. still, calling a boot with brass buckles "poor" means that the dev never traveled out of murika.

>>136896687
>>136896778
Alright sorry to bother you everyone. Have a good day. I'm not a pleb I promise DCSS is a gud game

>>136896778
>implying americans should lower their standards so europoors can feel better about their poverty
get back in your cuckshed hans

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>>136896981

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>>136896963
>DCSS is a gud game
>not a pleb
?

>>136897110
Alright I'm a bit of a pleb

>>136897079

I can totally understand these indians

They aren't actually worshipping the toilets but they are newly built and look nice, feels wrong to just shit on something you are given so they just make them look nice. They probably use them on an indian holiday or something.

>>136900161
That kind of defeats the whole point of having a sewer system, anon

>>136900161
It could also be some sort of show of thanks or whatever because it's new, or it's decorated because of some holiday. I'm pretty sure they know it's a toilet, that kind of design (even if not in ceramic) is very common in SE Asia.

Seems like intentional omission of key information for the sake of humor at the expense of unfamiliar people.

How do I connect to Crawl via terminal? I remember it was a simple command, but for some reason Xterminal is being a dick.

>>136900894
ssh most likely

>>136900894
ssh whateverthesiteis

>>136901037

And then after that it wants a key which I can't figure out how to put in so it'll take it. Fuck this shit. I'll just play with their ugly tile bullshit.

>>136901952
>going to these lengths just to shitpost about tiles

>>136902060

Or maybe I should just be able to easily connect to the tiles version as easily as I do for the webtiles version. It's like I'm trying to hack the fucking Pentagon just to be able to play a god damn game.

>>136902287
crawl devs are elitist assholes who want to exclude people on purpose because of their unrestrained autism

what else is new

Okay, you were right about >tiles for nethack

The game fucking crashed
A roguelike crashed
Now I'll have to re-do my half-hour or so of playing

>>136905174
>A roguelike crashed
what else is new

>>136905174
>A roguelike crashed
STOP THE PRESSES

>mfw D:3 killer bee

>>136905174
You should be playing dynahack with ascii.

Nethack is buggy unstable shit.

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Apparantly it takes 1 hours and 40 minutes, plus a skill level enough to craft leather body armor from scratch, just to cut the arms off a trenchcoat

Clearly I picked the wrong profession

>>136906732

>great grandpappy to modern roguelikes
>shit

Gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8 put some more on my pl8 don't hesit8 or procrastin8 or I'll get ir8.

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I forgot I could pray for this
Well, that's the end of it. I could have survived if I had remembered to pray or that I had a identified potion of healing in my inventory

>>136908323
>DDBLOA

>>136908323
>playing with survivor armor

>>136910562
>playing DDA at all

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>>136910562
I've never raised tailoring beyond 3-4 before

Bone armor is cooler anyway

>>136910419
>>136910710
t. crawl dev

>>136895652
what game is this?

>>136900628
>intentional omission of key information for the sake of humor at the expense of unfamiliar people.
so modern journalism?
captcha: hancock farm

>>136910834
>we mad max now
>66 weight limit tho
Nice. You can probably do without the rioter mask/dust mask unless you're in winter. I imagine your dude takes forever to get his stamina back after killing just 1 or 2 zombies. Try to make a toolbelt soon. They let you store a hammer, so you can always have a hammer/screwdriver without taking up more than 1 volume. Nice kit though.

>>136893306
Played it at EGX, just seemed like yet another Binding of Isaac clone

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>>136912395
>I imagine your dude takes forever to get his stamina back after killing just 1 or 2 zombies.
Yeah, I failed to notice the bone armor helmet gave a ton of mouth encumbrance as well

I'm still clearing out the Mall I started in, got a big pile of tools, no need to drag'm around just yet

>>136914513
>bone armor helmet gave a ton of mouth encumbrance as well
Head encumbrance ≠ mouth encumbrance.

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>>136914837
Quite aware, dear anon, but as you can see, the bone armor helmet covers the mouth with at least 15 encumbrance as well

>>136914837
Bone armour helmet covers eyes/head/mouth for some amount of encumbrance. I think 15, if I remember right. Its a really great piece of gear, but you really can't stack a lot of mouth protection with it since you'll run out of stamina really quickly and get swarmed.

>>136915106
I see, I didn't know that.
Well, 3 environment prot is great so you don't even need to put anything else on your mouth, really.
How does it work?
Are you like, wearing a dude's head?

>>136915257
>Are you like, wearing a dude's head?
Made it from 48 tainted bones, so it's probably the equivalent of wearing about 7-8 zombies strapped to my head

>>136915469
>Made it from 48 tainted bones
That irks my autism. The lore states that zombie bones are spongy and brittle.
What's the recipe? Do you just duct tape the whole thing together and call it a helmet?

>>136915650
You can use 24 normal bones too.

>>136915650
IIRC you can use tainted bones instead of regular in every single recipe, you just need ~4x the amount.

>>136915746
That still doesn't make sense. A bone is somewhat strong and lightweight, using two times the amount of a shitty bone is not gonna get the same results.

But I guess it's just DDA logic.

>>136915106
Oh neat, I was looking for decent 100% coverage head armour that wasn't survivor crap.

Wearing zombie bones is kind of gross, but I guess it's worth it to avoid having your head shot off.

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>>136915650
>duct tape
Don't be silly, you cut them together, ofcourse

>>136915835
>4x
Only 2x, but zombies are quite a lot easier to catch/kill than wildlife, I find

>>136915981
>not even a single rag

I AM MAD
MAD ABOUT VIDEOGAMES

>>136916097
The description does mention it's carved from bone

I guess you just have to imagine the adhesive

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They just fit together anon. Just like a normal skeleton! It just works.

>>136916445
your offering has appeased me
I am no longer mad

>>136916445
>not covering the mouth
You had one job, anon

I like it

So I'm playing DCSS. I just started playing it yesterday, so i'm pretty new.

It's a lot harder than TOME 4. I keep trying to make a demonspawn necromancer, but I en up getting my shit pushed in by the orcs on dungeon 3 usually every time. Should I try vampire necromancer?
Are necromancers even any good?

>>136916604
I imagine it with a thick bandana covering the mouth, with the two horns meeting at either side of the jaw and going down towards the chin. Bone covers the nose, but leaves the mouth relatively uncovered because its already hard to breath through a thick bandana. I also imagine plastic being adhered to the eye sockets, and some sort of brow ridge to keep light out of your eyes. I'm just shit at paint. I'd draw it with a pencil for you guys if I could, but I don't have a scanner.

>>136916891
I suggest playing a vine stalker monk if you really want to start out, they're pretty easy for a new guy. Magic is really not that easy to master early on. It's better to hit the dudes.
Run away from orc priests (they are really strong for their depth and can cast a spell that will kill you quickly if you're in line of sight) and orc priests are really bad too. Just generally run away if you see them until you've got at least 7 levels in unarmed. Put points in fighting so that you don't die to a single orc priest.

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>>136916445
Take a knee, peasant!

>>136917071
>thick banana covering the mouth

>missing components: Vibrator

>>136917548
>Turn it on to rattle louder.

>>136917343
I might check it out. I picked demonspawn due to random mutations. I started growing antennas and it allowed me to sense if there was a creature in my direct proximity.
Went down some stairs and the orcs fucked me almost instantly.
My spell "pain" did next to no damage. Maybe i'm doing it wrong.

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so

wait

how the fuck do I tell which ones are mirrored

its the ones on top right

>>136918391
The top ones are the real ones. If you use the mirror wand again, you'll see that you'll have a stack of 4 mirrored sagas, 6 enchant armor and a stack of two sagas and 3 enchant armor.

>>136906732
>Nethack
>Unstable
Jesus christ anon what did you do to that poor .exe

>>136918391
Is that a steel or a crystal golem by the way?

>>136916891
>>136917895
Remember to turn off automatic skill distribution with "/"

>>136917343

>vinestalker monk

Why? Minotaur berserker is best. Introduces him to abilities, easy regen and survivability, magic resist, retaliating attacks, etc.

>>136919321
>Minotaur berserker is best.
NO DAUGHTER OF MINE WILL EVER PLAY A FILTHY MINOTAUR

>>136919321
>wanting him to grow up as an otabber
No wonder why your waifu wants a divorce.

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>>136918701
it's actually a golem of virtually indestructible and carry all my shit forever

>>136920134
Oh neat. How did you get adamant?
Wait, wait. The secret wall that hides the chest. Good thinking.

>>136919321
Strong tabber with flavor, lets him experiment with gods rather than "MASH DAT TAB BUTTON IF YOU LIKE DIS TROGLODYTE. WHERE MY BROS AT?" Low HP puts the proper fear in him and the bite/regen with shield wombo combo lets him deal with a lot of situations where a MiBe might run out of gas. Apples and Oranges, only the apple is an overripe Red Delicious and the orange is a perfect blood orange.

>>136917895
Yo, make sure your little Vs learns how to use shields. Its an integral part to becoming FUCKING INVINCIBLE, because it lets you draw combat out longer than it should. Longer combat = More HP regen'd and more bite procs which means MORE MP for spirit shield. Once you get it going, you have a lot more endurance than even a MiBe might have.

In Brogue, when a seed has an orb and stone archway on a depth do you always get the same legendary ally from the archway on that depth or is what ally you get based on random chance?

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ahhhh, now this is much better

I should save some ommel urine and such for the next time I find a wand of mirroring

actually, if I break a wand of mirroring, does it work like a wand of polymorph, effecting a 3x3 square of tiles around me?

I've got charging but this stupid wand was only a 2 charge wand and I'm waiting on cloning instead

>>136920301
no I just found a broken adamant helm on the ground somewhere, and mellis already gave me a +8 helm of bling so

I guess I'm just lucky

>>136921782
Ah, you did enchant the helmet to ruby! Good.
You got the chainmail from decos too, good, good.
You... You aren't using the levitating belt? Or is it just a switch?

Also, why haven't you bombed Ikiros the smith for his bomb-ass +4 gauntlets of dex?

>>136921782
>I should save some ommel urine and such for the next time I find a wand of mirroring
Yeah no
You can't mirror ommelstuff.

>>136923178
can I clone it?
>>136922130
I only intend to kill people that deserve it, I'm not a sociopath.

The thieve's girdle increases Agi and Dex at the same time, and I tend to take really negligible damage from mines (usually none) with cloak+2 rings of fire res. So I decided on the thieve's girdle. All my valuables are safely tucked away in chests too, so it's usually fine. I just have to search a bit before I pick up wands and scrolls and potions, which is a minor inconvenience at the worst.

The crazy thing is that I'm doing this well without having found any wishes. That's the main reason I'm still stuck with amulet of vanity.

>>136924306
>can I clone it?
No siree. That would be as OP as being able to use the wand on mirroring itself. Can't mirror charging either.
>>136924306
>I only intend to kill people that deserve it
Bit of a god complex there, anon

>>136924434
>Bit of a god complex there, anon
If we all had that kind of attitude we'd never put an end to the caste system and destroy the economic inequality that plagues this world.

FOR LO, WHEN I GAZE UPON ACTS OF INJUSTICE I SHALL BECOME THE SWORD OF DAMOCLES AND STRIKETH DOWN UPON EVIL.

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>>136925374

Okay so last night in the previous thread, someone told me that on DDA you could do a reach attack by using the (f)ire command with a spear, but I couldn't get that shit to work and had to resort to using my sling to slowly kill the pair of zombies I aggro'd thinking that I could easily kill them using the spear with minimal risk.

What am I doing wrong that the reach attack isn't working? I have a knife spear equipped, and I tried both (f) AND (F), both of which didn't appear to do a damn thing.

>>136925597

It won't even activate if you aren't in range

Also, are you on experimental?

>>136925827
What's the max range on it? 2 squares? I'm fairly certain I was no more than 2 squares away when I tried it. Or is it only like 1 square between me and the target?

>Also, are you on experimental?
I don't believe so. It would say something at the top of the window if it was, yes?

>>136926203
If you're on stable C, reach attacks won't work since they weren't implemented. You should really be playing on one of the daily builds, the stable is outdated by more than a year.

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>a +4 guardian charm
Seems like a good opportunity to try the guardian build.

>arcana mod for DDA
This is some crazy ass shit.

>>136926515
How can a guardian charm build ever work? It has regular speed and every enemy just runs away from it for the whole duration.

Is that the trick, you just use it to scare enemies away and sprint to d26?

>>136926515
>the guardian build
is this even a thing? do people actually read spoilers for brogue? and they still lose?

>>136926386
>the stable is outdated by more than a year.
O-oh... I assume I can transfer my world/save if I download a newer version. Would just copy-pasting the save folder into the newer version's location be all I need to do? Seems like that would work for the world at the very least, but is the character attached to the world save as well?

>>136927271
>Would just copy-pasting the save folder into the newer version's location be all I need to do?
Just copy the new version into the old folder.

>>136926758
From my understanding that's sort of how it works. A successful guardian build is usually either part wizard or part stealth build.

>>136927113
I've seem posts in past /rlg/ threads mention the build and the invisibility charm build.

>>136926758
I have no idea. It was mentioned here recently that if you enchant the charm enough, you can have the guardian out all the time, but even then you can't actually kill anything without a lot of effort and still need to deal with ranged attackers.

I guess you hope for conjuration or obstruction or something.

>>136927371
Alrighty, thanks for the help. Is there a recommended build I should get, or just go for the latest one? Thanks again.

>>136928104
Just download the latest one released today.

>Finally get Octo Wiz going
>Find an early book of dragon
>Decide to go Dragon form
>Get it online by lair 2
>The tabbening begins
>Finish D15 and go Depths
>Die because I was trying to tab Iron trolls thinking they were zombie trolls
Man the more I play DCSS the more I honestly think that the game is mainly a test of your patience rather than pure skill then again I could be scrub afterall only ascended 4-5 times.

>>136927271
>more than a year
Yeah uh just start a new save anon this probably wont work.

Which WizLab is the hardest?

>>136929949
Time for MuMo.

>>136930176
MuMo? Doesn't seem that bad. Already ascended a MuCj of gozag

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>>136930824
hahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>136930824
No not that MuMo, THIS MuMo

>>136930970
>>136931067
How hard is it to get all runes on MuMo?

Has it ever been done?

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>>136931763
>all runes
That is madness.

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MOM COME QUICK IM CORRODED

>>136932592
sweet
fucking
christ

>>136932592
Jiyva would be proud, you have achieved maximum causticity.

>27AC/17EV
>34AC/11EV
What's the better choice? No ego on the armor
Or i could go CPM and have 40AC/7EV, but that's silly

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>>136882013
Any of you guys know how to into GH2?

Since the Cogan is like the highest end Variable Fighter in the game, how do I bring it up to par with all the late game Reflex System mechs? It really feels like it's falling behind. Should I just give up?

>>136932592
Daily reminder that GHOST MOTHS CANNOT SEE INVISIBLE.

THOU ART OWN FAULT, HEATHEN.

Let's talk IVAN.
Assuming that I want to turn all of my limbs into Ommel hair, I: acquire leprosy by praying to an irate Scabies, wait until a limb pops off, pray to Silvia and hope I get Ommel hair, repeat 3 more times, then pray to Seges to get my leprosy healed and presto, I am now a speedforce that walks like a man, right?

Also, does anyone know of a more up-to-date archiver for /vg/ than fireden.net? I remember some IVAN discussion a few months back but the archiver stops at mid-2015 so I can't check what was said.

>>136936313
>Assuming that I want to turn all of my limbs into Ommel hair
You don't want that.
You can't heal them that way.
>>136936313
>Also, does anyone know of a more up-to-date archiver for /vg/ than fireden.net
Nothing is left, I think. Everything's dead.

I'm pretty sure I could answer every possible question related to IVAN, if that helps. My autism is great and my head is full of useless knowledge.

>>136934667
#1 is better

more spell success if you ever learn spells, less getting torn a new asshole by Crystal Spears you didnt dodge

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It w-was probably just some sling ammo, r-right?

>>136937542
>the +27 crystal plate armor of Xom's gratitude

i wanted to play IVAN but it has no vi-keys so i couldn't play on my laptop

why is it that finnish and german devs (ADOM) are filthy numpad-using untermensch

>>136936664
But it gives 100+ DEX/AGI and they're pretty tough anyways.

O-or so anon said once.

>>136937542
This is a little bit of an exploit, but you can check the characterdump to learn what it was.

>>136937806
>But it gives 100+ DEX/AGI
That looks like a disaster waiting to happen. A disaster called Sherarax. You know that high stats attract uniques and make monsters tougher.
Those stats definitely like golden eagle feather to me anyway, not ommel hair. You definitely don't want high-level prosthetics, because they spike your danger level worse than anything.
The real problem of prostethics is that they don't heal, so that limb you worked so hard to get is gonna get cut off or worse, become unusable (grey) and make you unable to use it, without the "perk" of being able to regrow another, as you'd do if it had been removed.

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>Ghost comes around the corner while i'm beating an hydra to death
>Throws me an airstrike for 80 damage
>Manage to tele out of there
>Bog fucker gets me even lower
>Only healing i've got are potions of curing
>Figure i might as well try to drink that and pop fog
>
It's fine, it's not like i was having fun or anything

>>136937978
it's not really an exploit because you have no way of ever getting it

unless you can polymorph Maurice into an aquatic creature?

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Here's an example of ommel hair limbs.
You get +50 dex and agi, lstr and astr.

I went down UC 1 and through omnivision, found that it had spawned a veteran kamikaze dwarf of loricatus.

/vr/ thread is up since the discussion last thread didn't show anyone to be too strongly in favor or against the idea

And yes, I know I screwed up the subject
>>>/vr/3100407

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>>136939954
One job, anon.

>>136939367
And here's me after dancing on some broken glass. you can see that my stats are reduced of 20 points when in the reds, 20 for every leg as I discovered later. So if you have two legs in the red that you cannot fix (barring a scroll of repair, because loricatus won't fix any limbs), you've got 10/10.

>>136939092
He could convert to Fedhas and evaporate the water with Sunlight!

>>136937978
>>136939092
>>136940751
> 23518 | Swamp:2 | XOM: god gift: 27 stones
I was partially right

>>136942093
you mean
+27 stones

>>136942185
Fun fact if you're ever bored and want to fuck around in wiz mode. You can still spawn the dagger of accuracy, only its +27 rather than +27 +0 now. Its both hilarious and broken.

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hey guys, remind me again why we can't just remove magic points, and, get this, cast spells with satiation?

no lets go a step further, why not remove satiation, and just change experience into "Essence" and use that for casting and fighting and regenerating damage.

In fact lets get rid of strength, dexterity, and intelligence too, because Essence can cover those.

All we need is HP, Essence, and Skills.

we can call the game "Demon's Essence" and make it a not-a-roguelike even (not a roguelike if it's not free)

>>136946012
>essence

already used for djinni you fuck

>>136946527
Do you get death cursed when a friendly mummy dies?

>>136946527
What's the max regen you can get HP/turn?

>>136946012
>cast spells with satiation
>mummies spamming endgame spells at no cost

>>136948380
I've seen 11 before. It was on a Glaciate-spammer going for 15 runes tho, so most characters probably won't be able to reach it.

>>136940664
What about Phoenix Feather?

>>136948484
The solution is obvious, you just need to think more like a Crawl dev.

Just remove mummies.

>>136948484
Finally mummies won't be so shit.

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>>136949467
OVER THE LINE. DELETE THIS.

>play cata
>realize that it's shit because there's no end-game tier shit
Once you get bionics and mutations you become a living god who can tank anything in the game.

There needs to be some kind of uber-end game like entering the netherworld through a portal or the cascade shit in labs actually working.

>>136950940
Better start editing those .jsons anon.

Is PRIME any good?

pls respond

do you think the final megazigg just has floors that are nothing but wall to wall orbs of fire

>>136954432
That probably wouldn't be worse than gmummies or a room filled with only demonspawn and panlords.

>>136931763
>How hard is it to get all runes on MuMo?
Possible while following the spirit of the challenge, if you maintain solid play throughout all of midgame to conserve resources.

Alternately possible while violating the spirit of the challenge, if you go full degenerate and scum abyss or pan for resources.

Most importantly, though, going for 15 runes on a MuMo would likely end up becoming so tedious that just trying for it would flagrantly violate the purpose of having fun with the challenge. You might be able to do it and have fun with it, but keeping it contained to 6 runes was a good idea to begin with as it prevents people from becoming bored out of their minds from the sustained tedium that would be necessary to abuse the broken combat systems for long enough to actually finish all 15 runes.

Honestly, it was a bad idea to go for 7 in the first place as it setup a falsely implied difference between future wins. 6 is enough.

As a fighter in DCSS do you want to unequip the shield at the start because of the huge attack speed penalty or leave it on for the defence?

>>136949248
it has a (10-regen)/10 chance to increase by 1dmutlevel, so the max you can get is 9+3 = 12

Theoretically you could get there within 4 kills, but it's only a .0346% chance

>>136956524
>leave it on
This.

Just try to wear a weapon that keeps you under 1.0 attack delay with the shield penalty until you have enough skill to do so with a better weapon, if you can.

>>136956524
As a fighter, you immediately ctrl-q and restart as a gladiator for the throwing nets.

>>136956729
Thanks, at what point would I want to start learning spells? I know stuff like blink, apport and haste are all useful, but what else?

>>136952979
>>136954250
It is a poorly balanced nethack in the future/space. You can have literally infinite "wishes" if you're lucky.

I enjoy it, but I like to bend games over my knee and give them a good thrashing so I'm probably not the best judge.

>>136956838
Is every race that the game suggests Fi on also fine for Gl? Seems to me the only reason to pick Fi is the for the early shield

>>136957061
I bet you like IVAN

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6 down, 21 to go

>>136957327
Pretty much.

Throwing nets are always fucking tight to have, and the starting throwing skill also works when you get a blowgun, which means that big targets with low EV become much less of a problem. Just curare, net, and needle. Cheese those hill giants like a true rogue.

A shield is...okay.

>>136958013
How useful are blowguns to any char this isn't a stabber?

>>136956957
>at what point would I want to start learning spells
On a Fighter? Possibly never, if you can manage to get a wand of haste early enough.

More typically though, you want to train your weapon offense first, then some defenses, only last working on utility spells. If you find a book with low level utility spells like swiftness or regen early, it can be worth getting them online immediately. If you're just going for castable haste so that you can spam haste through mid and lategame instead of relying on wand charges, then you probably want to aim for getting Haste castable somewhere between Lair:6 to D:15 to Lairbranch1:$, depending on species aptitude and your choice of body armour.

>I know stuff like blink, apport and haste are all useful, but what else?
The thing about spells in DCSS is that they're pretty much all useful. They're also pretty much all powerful enough that you can sink as much experience into them as you wish and still remain a viable character.

Some staples of meleedudes would be the defensive enchantment buffs like swiftness haste regen, but also things like apportation and blink and even stuff like conjure flame or low level summons if you want to use them.

Generally I wholeheartedly recommend the purity of unarmed combat, but whatever floats your boat.

My vidya bucket list is to beat one roguelike game. I want to beat ADOM or Vulture for Nethack. I also have Wazhack which is way more accessible for me. How did you guys do it?

>>136957327
Fi shield means they get to be slightly better at otabbing in exchange for having fewer "oh shit" buttons (aka nets) to use on non-otabbable enemies

>>136958291
without good throwing skill the status-effect needles probably aren't worth carrying around but poison and curare are great for anyone

maybe less so in trunk, because unskilled poison needles were nerfed (although they're now stronger above 8 throwing skill)

>>136958291
>How useful are blowguns to any char this isn't a stabber?
Poison needles are enough to kite ogres and giants and gastronoks and the majority of early uniques and any other speed 10 monster to death. Poison needles also let you take the spider rune for free, with lots of ammo collecting tedium.

Curare is enough to flat out murder uniques and other nasties that you really shouldn't engage.

Both poison and curare needles require zero skill investment to work.

Blowguns are absurdly broken, and if you're playing to win you should always be picking one up along with any poison and curare you find.

>>136958621
I've never really used swiftness because of the debuff at the end, was I just overestimating how bad the debuff is?

>>136958756
>How did you guys do it?

I quit my job, bought ten bargain boxes of assorted Hot Pockets, and locked myself in my apartment until I ascended a KoBe.

apparently wands of random were recently buffed: no more possible magic darts or throw frost

also fire fireball became ice fireball and bolt of cold was removed as a possible result

>>136958939
>Both poison and curare needles require zero skill investment to work.

that was removed two days ago

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>>136882013
Superior roguelike.

Prove me wrong.

>>136959428
dark souls is better

>>136959408
bolt of cold became bolt of acid ackshually

>>136959428
>>136959580
>no QuakeRL where you play a transferred marine
>no outfitting your body with Strogg technology
>no three stage boss battle with the Makron

ctrl q

>>136959864
so..

secret artificer buff?

>>136959258
You can use swiftness to make free space between your dude and a dangerous pack without bothering with energyscumming. As long as Crawl allows stairdancing, that one space is enough to freely escape by the nearest < (or > in a pinch).

Swiftness isn't strictly necessary if you know how to energyscum or cornerstealthbreak or sizeabuse to make space for escapes, but it makes things easier with minimal skill investment and can enable resource-free escapes against things above speed 10.

>>136959428
litanyagainstbait.jpg

>>136959408
That was quite awhile ago. And needle stabs aren't why poison/curare are good, unless they nerfed them in some other way.

>>136960443
there was a nerf two days ago to poison needles specifically

they now scale with throwing skill and blowgun enchantment

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3ae59fae845308f1a61d54d133c366648c93654e

>playing trunk instead of lavaorc versions

>>136960662
Well, I'm glad to have already gotten my Sonja cosplay win out of the way.

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>>136960662
Well. I've been waiting for that nerf for years. Its finally come. I feel empty.

Playing oldbalance crime instead of newbalance crime.

>>136960662
>>136961008

>AD 21XX
>the last balancecrime has been rectified
>the galaxy is at peace

>>136960662
>are even better at higher skill
So now blowguns by themselves are no longer OP, but now ruk throwing Trolls can just burn all their earlygame, otherwise useless enchant scrolls on a fucking blowgun, allowing them to become unstoppable golden gods with the Throwing they were going to get anyways

>>136961772
>fade in
>solitary explorer finds the ruins of a derelict develz station
>in the bowels of the tomb, a dwarf statue is found
>in its hands, a small canister of fun
>a wild gammafunk appears
>what do you do

>>136960443
>litanyagainstbait.jpg
>Implying mental techniques can stop bait
>Implying the emperor can stop the bait, if you are a retarded 40Kid who thinks that any mention of a litany means its totally a 40K rip off

>>136962040
well ruk throwing was nerfed recently too

now ruks have base attack delay of 2.0, and it takes 20 skill to get that to 1.0 or 26 to get to the mindelay of 0.7

>>136962040
Oh, and this also makes throwing builds (which already had javelins and throwing nets to hold their own, besides crosstraining with slings) not only powerful but horrendously fucking OP. Especially formicids and nagas who count as being one size category larger than they actually are.

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>>136961772
>AD 21XX
>A lone mummy stands atop a broken tomb twenty stories high
I HAVE SEEN THIS DUNGEON A THOUSAND TIMES
THROUGH THE GLASS, I HAVE WATCHED MY PEOPLE BURN
IF EVERYTHING THE GIT SAYS IS TRUE, THERE IS NO HOPE SOMEDAY THEY WILL LEARN
BUT IF I STAAAAAAY HERE WITH YOU,
I WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH

DO NOT SAY THIS IS HOW IT HAS TO BE


>>136962326
10/10 I'm a little rustled. Litany against bait is fucking Dune.

>>136962413
That is a minor delay at best. Javelins are no joke, even if they're not quite as good as blowguns. All that has changed is that instead of becoming the master tab-beasts as soon as they get a ruk, they become lesser tab-beasts as soon as they get a blowgun, greater tab-beasts once they get 8 throwing, and finally master tab-beasts once they get steel javelins, with the golden god stage at 20 skill when they not only have super-blowguns but also ruks

>>136963008
as good as ruks*

>>136963008
You can't really take the presence of high damage poison needles as relevant, though, because if it requires skill investment then there's nothing stopping you from electing to invest in bows instead and frontloading your damage with a longbow that's has always been an option.

Plus, y'know, there is the minor drawback of needles actually being really rare so you can't spam them like arrows.

>>136963676
>0.19 devlog
>review of countless morgue files indicates no one uses blowguns anymore
>we feel this is significant evidence in favor of their removal

>>136963676
>You can't really take the presence of high damage poison needles as relevant, though, because if it requires skill investment then there's nothing stopping you from electing to invest in bows instead
I'm talking mainly about trolls. Trolls have shit apts for almost everything. Throwing is one of their only good ones
>really rare
> you can't spam them like arrows.
Yes you can
It's not exactly rare to find poison needles in groups of 20 or more, and that's just from the floor, not counting blowgun kobolds who usually carry 10 or more. You barely notice their mulching if you have decent melee and don't rely purely on blowguns, and Trolls have some of the strongest melee in the game. It's already possible and common to use blowguns with no training or enchantments as a crutch and let them carry you through lair or more, nevermind fucking buffed blowguns whose effect scales with skill over 8 and enchantments.

Making a roguelike, what do you think about brogue-esque mouse movement vs. numpad vs. vi keys? I feel like mouse is far more efficient for selecting targets at least.

oh yeah also because crawl doesn't have enough swingy RNG the poison needle "duration" (whatever that means) was changed from 6+(1d8-1) to 1d(3+skill*2+enchant)-1

literally everything in crawl is 1d(number) except for high-level conjurations, for some retarded reason

>>136965109
vi keys always and forever

no one uses the mouse unless you're planning to have your audience mainly be 19 year old gamergrills on twitch

>>136965109
>Mouse
>Ever
Numpad master race.

>>136965109
mouse is secondary at best.

it can be ok for shit like aiming at or fast-moving to specific far-away tiles but having the mouse as the primary/only way to move is incredibly shitty

vikeys is masterrace, but if you're already implementing vikeys then adding numpad to appease the untermenschen isn't any extra work

>>136965109
Mouse is only more efficient for aiming if you don't add options like "Target next monster", which a lot of roguelikes have

Most people who've played traditional roguelikes for long are used to and are quicker while using the keyboard. If you want a more casual audience you pretty much need some amount of mouse control, though.

>>136965347
OK, next question, is pure ascii really important to anyone, or are you happy with minimalist symbolic tiles? I don't trust myself to make anything but garbage as far as normal tiles go, and characters alone feels limiting.

mouse in Brogue is useful for aiming around corners like this:

@.....
####d

but really they should fix that buy giving it DCSS-style aiming that does that sort of shit automatically

>>136966032
If it does not use ASCII it is not a roguelike.

>>136964678
Also, I'm afraid of how they'll adress that once they realize how OP they've made trolls

If they nerf their throwing apt, then trolls will become the o-tab race, where you can do absolutely nothing except o-tabbing if you're interested in optimal gameplay, with throwing only an option if you plan on doing extended

If they nerf blowguns, people will just stop using them and they'll just do their usual "our horrible and clueless approach to game design and tendency to put our many different, shortsighted and ephimeral current "visions" for the game above all else has made this previously fun and useful feature useless and boring so we'll remove it" act

If they, god forbid, nerf actual POISON or rework it from the ground up so there's room for some special snowflake feature they'll stop caring about next week, there's no telling what the future will have in store for Crawl

>>136966032
Minimalistic tiles are far less efficient at conveying information than ASCII, and most roguelike players tend to not care all that much for graphics, else they would play a different genre. If you are not going to make good tiles, they'll be a waste of time.

The best would be really good ASCII, like Brogue's.

>>136966663
>brogue
>good ascii
Dwarf Fortress ascii is best ascii.

>>136966663
>>136967279
>ASCII
Unicode*

>>136967279
Wut?

Brogue has the best ASCII, Cogmind looks very nice aswell but I haven't played it because I'm not gonna pay 30$ for a roguelike.

>>136968417
brogue isn't ascii, it uses unicode symbols

it isn't even console-based

>>136970157
Then use unicode

>>136950940
That's why you need to set standards and end goals for yourself.

Something preferably over the top, good enough to recant in the form of a story.

I know a game should be doing that for you, but it's still a sandbox game.

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So what are you guys playing tonight?

>>136979010
I'm badplayering it up in PRIME, although the game crashed for real when I ran some unidentified floppy in my computer

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I have no idea what anal probes actually DO

>>136979243
How're you liking it?

>>136979010
Brogue, but I'm trying to find another rl to play.

I tried a bit of dcss but exploring the dungeon itself was very boring to me, Infra Arcana is good but I'm very bad at it.

>>136979010
DDA, since everyone is talking bout it i decided to give it a shot

>>136966663

Not a purist here, but the problem with Tiles is that it's incredibly difficult to beat ascii for conveying information against the effort required to make the tiles do the same.

If you want tiles, make it easy to replace the ascii and let some autist build them for you, it worked for Cataclysm.

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>>136981725
this.

I died to radiation poisoning. Turns out I had an unidentified gamma ray gun in my inventory, which irradiates the player as long as they carry it.

To make matters more embarassing, I had an unidentified radiation processor implant. But they don't start actually decreasing your rad level until you stop getting irradiated.

>>136979010
Just got into Infra Arcana.
First character:

Peter Dorfmann
* Explored to the depth of dungeon level 2
* Was 20% insane
* Killed 79 monsters
* Gained 272 experience points
* Gained a score of 291
* Sadistic obsession

We're all gonna make it.
So long as we don't back into a corner for the hopes that a mob of axe wielding corpses forget about me.

>>136983293
>Not hacking the axe zombies back with a sledgehammer
Dorfs are supposed to be wiry strong, not cowards. Should be Peter ELFMANN.

>>136983427
I went down axing them back underground as all dorfs should die.

I also wanted to see how far down I could go before getting rightfully killed. Turns out, IA doesn't take no shit.

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So I just found this Whip of Force, should I dump my enchants on the whip or keep upgrading the war axe?

>>136983946
I would just go for the war axe. Keep the whip around for shoving nerds into lava though.

>>136983946
>>136984174
the correct answer is armor. that way you can use both, and the whip of force lends itself towards that strategy as long as lava is around

the whip would be funny against solo enemies at least

just keep shoving them back so they never get to melee you

the damage is bad though and it'll be bad against groups or ranged attackers

>>136983946
War axe if you have or want allies.

Allies tend to get in the way of you and the enemy when you're trying to kill with the whip. With a weapon of force you have to make sure to position yourself so a flung enemy doesn't hit an ally when the weapon procs.

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The whip might not do a lot of damage but it sure is a fun weapon.

I'm saving up the scrolls of enchantment for now to see if I can get a regen ring or a good charm.

>>136985286
if flying enemy hit another enemy, does second one take any damage?

Does zombies transformed by master leave transformed corpses, or do they transform back upon death?
I'm thinking about really mad way of farming CBMs

>>136988620
if you're strong enough to do that you're strong enough to just dive labs and actually find bionics other than power storage

>>136988812
huh? and where is FUN in that?
on the second thought, dont tell me
i already setting things up for my CBM combine
want to figure this out myself

>>136988620
>I'm thinking about really mad way of farming CBMs
Yeah, it's already been tried and tested. Best way to do it is to create a reinforced glass wall and dump the master in there, along with a necromancer (best place for this Is a lab, that has a large containment cell already) then roll in completely useless bionics because you're already literally unstoppable.
Also, they're finally enabling bionic nodular slots so you can't put every single possible bionic inside you.

>>136988812
yea navigating labs is mind numbing tedium, and you're not guaranteed to have a CBM end which means you waste all that time diving. and then you have to search out another lab half way across the globe after each run

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>>136988620
>I'm thinking about really mad way of farming CBMs

You could do that long time ago, but you can't now.
Zombie master can't upgrade regular zombie to shocker zombie.
No dogs, bionics or profession-types

Long time ago I managed to farm 10k bionic power from zombie master before it's "fixed".
Nothing stops you from editing the json though.

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Ah yes, the monkey who died to a D3 or D4 caustic gas trap. Really worth the key.

Not exactly as early as proposed, but still relatively early: http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=3479 :-)

>>136994765
http://bfy tw/50EW

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The fuck do I drop, lads?

>>136995392
link doesn't work :P

>>136979243
Protip: don't use your floppies at first, especially if it's something like "enhance weapon". Your chance of getting more than one use out of a floppy depends on your computer skill, so before you get a few levels on you a floppy is all but guaranteed to explode the first time you use it.

Also, if you ever find a blank hacked disk, hide it away somewhere and don't use it until you can turn it into:
>infinite matter recompilation
>infinite hacking
Matter recompilation and hacking are impossible to hack I think; a level ~20 software engineer with as many points as possible (~30) in computers, a +4 megacomputer and intelligence in the ~40s couldn't hack either of them.

>>136979786
Negligible damage but also a debuff of some kind.

>>136995520
You put a "." in the empty space dude.

>>136995625
dudette :D also, ToME-SX is already very well designed, but thanks anyway.

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>>136995707

Why do my engines keep crapping out in DDA?

I choose vehicles with green engines and they just putter out and go black after a while

Happened to me with 40% of fuel in the tank what the hell

>>136995707
:PPP

>>136995898
Are you driving over safe speed? Or maybe you just ram too much stuff

What is CLIVAN? I can't find mention of it on the wiki, through google, or even on roguebasin.

>>136999081
https://sourceforge.net/projects/clivan/

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kinda late but
play your best today /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In reviewing the archives it seems that a bunch of the hate IVAN gets is from people who don't understand the concept of a prayer timeout.
There are 3 greentexts that all follow the same pattern:
>pray, get [good effect]
>PRAY AGAIN IMMEDIATELY
>get [bad effect]
>die
>"WOW IVAN IS SO UNFAIR"
Just baddies being baddies I guess.

>>137004485
Hey man, thanks for the update.
Does IVAN at least give a message hinting as to why your god took a dump on you like in Nethack?

>>137004794
It says something like "name is displeased" then whatever bad effect the game seeks to inflict upon you happens. As far as I know, though, gods are pleased by default and there's only one way to make them upset with you: become opposite their alignment (lawful for chaotics, or chaotics for the lawfuls) and by praying too often. Also, Neutral gods are the best, because they'll accept even mildly [chaotic/lawful] characters, which is good enough for all but the most chaotic god, and the useful lawful gods, respectively.

>>137003651
>those armgloves
Forgive me father for I have sexualized the awoo

http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,7833.0.html

Are you guys hyped for DoomRL: Dredmor Edition?

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>>137007018
awoos are for sexual tho

What can I expect inside a military bunker in DDA?

I have two EMP grenades, is that gonna be enough?

>>137007867
Why is this Dredmor Edition?

>IA war vet
>get warped into a chamber without doors
>character reaches 100% shock and goes fucking nuts with rage at the prospect of being buried alive
>try throwing dynamite, it blows away half the chamber
>a witch appears and summons her pet rat-thing
>shatter both their skulls with my sledgehammer
>two things I can't see try to hassle me deep in my soul, I wreck them as well
>later a wraith makes me piss myself in fear and a brigade of deep ones show up to beat the shit out of me for like 10 turns
>they can't make a dent in my iron armor
>kill everything there once I shake off paralysis
>next level I get killed slowly by poison oozes

I love this game

>>137010876
That chamber probably had doors. Take off your iron suit when you're searching, and make sure to take 1 level in perceptive.

>>137007953
>wolfsuit
ANON N-
>(contained)
Oh thank god.
You have no idea how quick those things can create an outbreak in shitposting

Is there a version of dNethack with a better interface?

I want to play the Binder class but urgh that pre-Dynahack interface

>>137012661
>Is there a version of dNethack with a better interface?
Nope
you'd think people would do the smart thing and integrate dyna's interface in any single *
hack variant, but nope

I can't play nethack anymore without that UI

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See this is also why I love dynahack
I got +17 strength just like that

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>>137014257
>Not searching every shop tile as a squishy class
FAULT

Also 25STR is in no way different from 18/**, it just looks cooler.

>>137012765
Nethack4 interface*

>>137015260
dyna imporved 4's interface though

>>137014257
>what is elbereth
Once you discover ctrl+E mimics are just so much free EXP. At normal speed you're 3 times faster than any mimic, it's not like you're in danger of drawing it too slow.

Strategy when you find a mimic should be: E-word, E-word, E-word, follow it when it runs away and get in at least 3 free hits, repeat until the mimic is dead or it stops being so scared and you need to E-word again.

I'm a little mad that you squandered those boots desu

>>137015410
>Being a little bitch
Nigga i just hit them three times then back up, no need to scum E

>>137015410
>filename

There will come soft boots.

>>137015659
>scum E
That's like saying using magic is scumming, or that wishing is scumming, or that anything but pacifistic conduct is scumming.

What is E there for if not to use?

>>137015329
I'm going to improve your "inter"face with my fists.

>>137016452
u wanna fukken go m8
dukes up

Seriosly though, Dynahack improved netack 4's interface. It added a health counter, made some inventory changes, lots of other stuff.

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>>137016452
>anon will never fist you
>he'll never milk your prostate dry with his bandages of electrocution

>>137009576
Not free

>>137016586
I know you're right, seeing as Dyna and NH4 are the only variants I've played. Still, I don't think people are anywhere near as likely to port Dyna' changes as they are to port NH4 changes.

>>137008554
You could find a lot of weapons, bionics, MREs or military gear. There shouldn't be any enemies if you open the door with the keycard. You also need keycards for each "vault" inside the bunker

>>137016989
>You also need keycards for each "vault" inside the bunker
Or a reinforced sledgehammer and more than 10 strength. That's enough to smash reinforced glass.

Are Makhleb's destruction bolts actually worth using?

>>137017159
>Or a reinforced sledgehammer
Welp, now I have to play a melee war vet again. Thanks anon.

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>>137017292
Wow, that was fast.

Oh, also fixed this up.
Maybe someone should update the pasta and link it there?

>>137017274
The small ones are OK for plinking at a melee creature while it approaches you.

The big ones take Piety so it's significantly less useful especially as monsters get more resistances - you generally want to summon a big demon instead unless you absolutely cannot afford a hostile one.

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>>137017705
Right, didn't remember that wounds gave -carry.

>>137018727
>Ravenous
Really good. Makes you suck life on hit.
Expert melee fighter is better though. 100% 1d8+2 on hit is really really good.

>>137018727
Spoiler that shit you homo

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>>137019892
S-sorry.

Now that MuMo is old and busted, we need to make a new challenge.
How about Dynahack convict?